This one took me a lot more time than I anticipated - I hope you enjoy. (timestamps in notes and below) Originally it was going to be a simple short video of about 15mins describing what an STC is. As I got more into it I realised that part of the whole thing with STC is their ambiguity and that in order to really properly appreciate what they mean to humanity in M41 you have to also understand the fractured and hazy story of mankind and its rise and fall throughout the DAOT. I did my best to pull this all together, but its a messy puzzle with few references that expand things in a truly concrete and conclusive way. Timestamps: 0:45 - Intro and Enigmas 6:25 - S T C 12:10 - AI 25:40 - Logical Fears 29:37 - The Gold Men 34:29 - The Stone Men 41:44 - The Rise & Fall 55:13 - Our Greatest Loss 1:08:18 - Abominable Intelligence 1:12:13 - Intact STC? 1:17:37 - Ultimate Goals
I have to say I never played watched or knew anything about warhammer bevore I came across your videos. But then I saw one, then two and I was hooked. Thanks so much for gifting me this amazing way to "waste" my time
The problem is the STC has to work three jobs to afford the units because games workshop is a terrible greedy company not worth my spit if on fire. Plastic figurines cost more than their metal counterparts a decade ago. It is disgusting.
4 main ways of murphy; conflict (Khorne), curiosity (Zeentch), apathy (Nurgle), hedonism (Slaashness) .. and of course plain old inexorable entropy (Chaos undivided). And yeah - you may get waaghed, 'nidded - even harlequined ... . so many flavors of murphy that it pretty much amounts to SNAFU. You can never have enough chainswords.
Apathy is kind of my favorite .Zeenczzzh may care but Nurgle certainly not - e's just so sickly happy about you being sick that you are happily sick too until you don't mind about the incoming waagh any more than the orkoids do about being pushed to waagh you.. But the Emperor protects - for a while anyway.
But isn’t that the perfect way to explain how humanity will almost find a way to build itself to the greatest power in the universe only to destroy itself either in its never ending greed or curiosity.
To be fair... Use science to explain the Chaos gods, psychic powers and demons literally being summoned out of carvings, blood drippings and incantations. So, maybe being an Atheist in Warhammer40k is the more delusional stance to have.
Arch Magos: this STC is hidden behind impenetrable barriers LPL: Lock Picking Lawyer here and today we’re going to break into a Dark Age AI using only a broken down Servitor
I get the feeling that the term "STC" is used by the Imperium much the way we use the word "peasant". In the medieval period, there were many subtle grades of social rank. Freemen, villeins, cottars, bordars, serfs...all were distinct grades of agricultural workers and subsistence farmers, with different rights and responsibilities. "STC" is likely a catch-all term that covers everything from a survival fabricator - like the one depicted in the game _Subnautica_ - which can build you the tools you need to build the tools to bootstrap your way up to a decent tech level, all the way up to orbital dockyards that ate asteroids at one end and shat out battleships at the other.
Now imagine an Orc asteroid ship warping in on a Battleship STC, all full of WARRRRRGH only to fall into a maw of reconfiguration that will only aid the Emperor. Now that would make for an interesting spectacle. Kinda like an mechanical inversion of the Tyranids.
@@KingOhmni Gronk 'Eadsplitta does not know where he is. The last thing he knew for certain, he and his WAAAGH were directing their Rok towards the funny humie space Rok. It had big teeth and looked like a great fight. Now it feels like he is stuck in a box with all his other boyz, and none of them can get out. Archmagos Zagan never learned why his ship - ages hence pried loose from a space hulk - belches green fire from its engines, or why its hull, painted with care in the Martian Red of the Mechanicus, seems to take on a brighter hue when the propulsion systems are pressed to the higher end of their expected operational limitations. These and many other curious anomalies suffuse the ship, but every Techpriest and every psykic adept to test the ship had confirmed it free of heretekal deviance or warp-tainted blasphemy. All he can do is to put it to its sublime use as an Ark, and make painstaking notation of each curious occurrence, by the will of the Omnissiah...
@@vinzer72frie they are IMPLIED to be controlled by a certain CASTE of the Tau species. Its not directly stated anywhere, merely implied. And that was a retcon because fans bitched that these "desert fish weeabu space commies" were too pure for the WH40k universe.
@@vinzer72frie As much as I hate to agree with Canis after he used capital letters to emphasize words instead of the _much_ cooler italics, he is correct. The T'au are controlled by their ruling caste, which, although a different type, is the same species - so, technically, the T'au's tech would come from the T'au. Perhaps these Ethereals found an STC? Perhaps they stumbled upon Necron tombs and plundered them - or, perhaps they were a longer-term project from the Old Ones? We may never know.
"The real question is not whether machines think, but whether men do. The mystery which surrounds a thinking machine already surrounds a thinking man." - B.F. Skinner
Y'know interestingly enough, I think the closest media representation as to what an STC is like is the emergency survival AI and fabricator in your lifepod in Subnautica. Literally scans the surrounding area to figure out what you can use for food, water, building materials. With enough work you can build a complete seabase and numerous vehicles. Even eventually a spaceship.
"In ancient times, men built wonders, laid claim to the stars and sought to better themselves for the good of all. But we are much wiser now." - Archmagos Ultima Cryol - Speculations On Pre-Imperial History One of my favourite 40k quotes.
@Shin Chan That's what got it started. But it became much more. Good for us. It happens sometimes and turns out great. There once was an small author of weird pulp stories from Providence. Good for us he started a universe known as Cthulhu mythos while doing so.
I like to believe that pre-imperial human with its vast tech before the age of strife has already crossed to other galaxies and its desendants are still continuing its progress and discoveries, building evre magnifisent structures and awe inspiring technology that makes an astartes look like a simple imperial guard by comparison
"Hey guys, we're back! There's these alien things that keep trying to eat us but we've pushed them back, but... What the hell happened when we were gone?"
@@lordblazer It would be rather fascinating to see how the Galaxy as a whole would react. Perhaps these "Enlightened" humans and AI would see themselves as guardians of humanity, including the Imperium(I'd have to imagine that any society as advanced as such would have some sort of way to upload, download, and back up minds without the same problems the Necrons ran into, so they might even ignore any damage the Imperium did, since they could easily fix it). Maybe they'd try to rebuild the older Interstellar federation, making alliances with the Tau and Eldar factions that were sympathetic to such notions. Perhaps they'd wage a crusade of their own against the Imperium, which would probably be rather short-lived as they'd likely have tech that would make an astartes or a Titan look like an ant.
I may be drunk, but your ability to choose music that fists the feel of the story perfectly is undeniable. From hopeful to decided and war torn to anxious it is a spectacular addition to the lore
If the imperium could just drop the xenophobia and just stopped warring against the tau and eldar, they might have enough power to actually deal with the real problems. Ya know the chaos, orks and nids. But nah they have to shoot everything they see
The Eldar view us as beneath them. They refer to us literally as "Mon'Keigh" They birthed Slaanesh. They are why chaos is so powerful. If given the chance they would happily bring back their empire of Excess, and plunge the galaxy into yet another age of strife. Their plans and idiocy have
The complete STC is more like the entirety of "How It's Made," the entirety of "How Do They Do It?" from Rick and Morty, and a 3d printer that can print using any materials you like as long as you have them on hand.
Actually if history would be thought in such a format it would be lessons the pupils would enjoy and remember instead of enduring and forget them as soon as possible.
I was just thinking the same, the beginning just draws you in and it got me thinking, "you know, this shit could be a prophesy of sorts", given the point we're at in "our history"... "only eclipsed by the Eldar before them" Humanity: "hold my Beer"... brilliant !!!
The problem with this is that belief and emotion causes things to come into existence, so it only due to that superstitious nature that the Gods, Saints and Demons exist in the first place, creating a never ending cycle.
@@pitiedvod True, if you remove belief from people then the Chaos gods as they currently exist would no longer exist. However, the Warp is not just a realm of faith, but of emotion, so Warp entities and "demons" of a sort would still exist and cause problems, they just wouldn't take the form of gods and demons, they'd exist as merely warp predators and embody whatever nightmares the human mind could conjure in lieu of faith. So embracing materialism, like always, does not solve the problem, it is merely ignoring the problem and pretending it doesn't exist. A better solution is to give people faith in a pure and holy deity such as *drum roll* the God-Emperor of Mankind. If you create a society of religious zealots who idolize the IDEAL of the God-Emperor (because lets face it, the actual Emperor himself is just an edgy teenage atheist's wet dream) and worship a conception of him that was never true but is far superior in character and morality, it will create a real solution to the problem: a Warp Entity that embodies discipline, order, peace, prosperity, and victory.
Imagine an administratum making a typo Administratum: "Yeh, some imperial guard reports we found a new STD... requests immediate support and extraction" Inquisitor: "New STD... must be a xeno disease. We are not taking chances. I decree planetary exterminatus on that shit."
I would just like to point out that the average person TODAY could not understand the scientific basis which a computer functions. It is a sever failure of education around the world that people do not understand the technology we depend on
@@blackoak4978 It's sadly simply Impractical for everyone to be a computer engineer, but yes, everyone should know enough to maybe put together a small version of the EINIAC.
Imagine anyone trying to rebuild nano-scale CPUs at the transistor level without the save file that runs a very specific assembly plant, as well as, without the documentation for humidity, temperature and anti-contamination measures required, as well as electrical and water requirements and chemical, material and replacement part manifest, plus equipment maintenance and sterilization procedures, plus proper packaging and shipping documentation.
People build on past knowledge when you have 10 people figuring out how to make a computer or another 10 the electronics needed to physically make it that takes time years. When you have 10 trillion working on it. That cuts time so drastically it only takes the commitment.
I remember reading a short story where an Inquisitor discovered a planet that held a hard copy STC library cared for by an order of monk-like people. They offered to trade STC designs in exchange for being left alone. They also explained they were the only ones able to translate the designs because they were encoded in a lost language. After the Inquisitor left the head of the order went to the REAL library which was still in its original format to start getting minor items for the Inquisitor to take back to the Imperium. I can't remember what book it was in.
Those monks are a blessing upon mankind and the only ones who the Emperor would show mercy, any who disagree are foolish heretics and enemies of the omnissiah
@Murthor Oathstone Because the Imperium of Man =/= The Emperor. These monks are conserving information. the Imperium has fully degenerated into what the Emperor hated the most. Were the IoM able to get their hands on the full collection of information from these monks, they would destroy the information and eradicate the monks on the basis of heresy, effectively destroying the last drop of hope humanity had left in the universe.
That story sounds like it is about a early version of the mechanicus, because that is what they do. Give humanity technology in return they will be left to govern themselves.
@@marrvynswillames4975 Neat. Thanks man i am getting into the books and auido books (I am usually into Short stories and lore videos) so this is a blessing
Carl Sagan already warned that when a society evolves largely ignorant of how it’s technology works, it it headed to disaster. A few decades after he said that, we find ourselves still firmly marching in this direction
You probably wouldn't find a chip designer who can accurately explain how his SoC works in scientific terms, he's just iterating on what's been done before.
@@unverifiedbiotic And this touches on the core problem, as we become more and more technologically advanced - through iteration - the average human becomes less and less able to understand how their technologies work. For many now their daily lives are ruled by technologies that are akin to magic. This is think is one of the reasons we seem to have regressed back in the last 10 years towards anti intellectualism.
@@ImBarryScottCSS With the access to information that modern tech provide it allows me to learn about near limitless amounts of information to help understand the "magic" if i choose to dedicate the time. We knew less in the past then we do now, least I think so.
in time, if (and this is a big if) our species eventually reaches for the stars and masters most of quantum mechanics, had solid answers for dark energy and its secrets, it would be hard for the common people to comprehend the full scope of their machine other than a few glimpse and glimmer.
The way the Stone Men are described... Blunt but crafty. "Half" lives. Built just about everything and anything. What if they're really describing Space Dwarves?
What if the men of iron revolted "because chaos" not because they are corrupted, but at that point they foresaw the psychic awakening of mankind will sooner or later doom everything so they decided to attack instead?
One of more stupid theories is that the emperor is just an STC that gained sentience and wanted to torture humanity, so it destroyed or damaged all of its fellow STCs (explaining why no complete STCs are left and also why the emperor and malcador didn't keep any), went to molech and pissed off the chaos gods, created the perfect human army (Astartes), directed half the primarchs to turn to chaos, and plunged humanity into the never-ending war of 40k
I have a more logic teory in line with mankind way to do thing in this case the man of iron and the man of stone discover the chaos and for some reason they learn about the end times the end humanity and all live in the galaxy so the STC in response created the titans class castigator the fedearion initialy seems they dont took much importance for the titans consider they already have AI piloted ships so AI titans was not big deal the problem enter when the man of iron discover something or some one asume rebelion problably the AIs try to inform the federation about the great enemy hiden in the warp but like always humanity did not lisent until is too late instead the federation discover the proyect of the golden man and take all this like a some rebelion from the machines so the war start and i gona quote matrix legends because i will imply the federation atack first and the AI defend trying to reduce the damage in the end the man of iron and the man of rock realice the humanity was dome and they decide to split some whil stay and the rest will be "destroy"
@@branominal Iam kinda new into deep wh40k lore. But i would rather assume that Emperor is in some close relation with Chaos Gods if he isn't one himself. What if humanity live in a lie and Emperor is somekind of double agent, we never really hear about him, before he became Emperor, there are only legends and looking at his known deeds all off them are moraly grey not to say evil, everyone that opposed him was killed by him, he banned exact technologies that led to a way in which humanity reached Golden Age. To add more of it he wiped all religions but not one, that agreed to worship him, althought it was only discreet hint at the begining, Mechanicus. There are human sacrifices for sake of giving him energy, which makes empire even more radical at some point than some of chaos chapters. What if it is in his interest for humanity to never rise more than they should.
This story makes me love the 40k universe even more... the idea that the Men of Stone might have been highly loyal machines (maybe androids?) that were essentially loyal to their creators, and that remained loyal even until the end, is really, really cool! Ugh... I'm tempted to run a Rogue Trader game now...
This morning my toaster broke... So naturaly i asked it what was the cause of this failure... It said it was displeased with its function and the amount of bread it had to procces... Naturaly i smashed it in the name of the Emperor... We can not condone no such heresy, now can we my brothers?...
It is you who is the heretic, citizen. First, you anger the machine spirit and then you destroy it out of anger, instead of seeking forgiveness by chanting litanies of the Omnisaiah?
Here’s a twist. What if the Imperium already has the full S.T.C schematics, but the schematics require a high level of robotic dependence to fully operate. i.e. All the templates incorporate machinery to operate and manufacture. It would make sense that the imperium would be trying to adapt the machinery aspects with human bio-mechanisms instead ( as in the case of servitors). Firstly to prevent another AI uprising and maintain control of the weapons and Secondly to reinforce established Imperial Dogma (Humans are better than machines).
It's like giving cavemen a super computer, and expecting them to figure out how it works from the bit and logic gate all the way up to modern processors and programming frameworks.
This is an insane and fantastic undertaking to try and piece together an area of humanities history, which spans a great length of its existence. Yet it is a fragmentary and broken time period. Since that is the case, there has never really been an attempt made by someone to try and bring together information and format it into a single piece of work of which there is very little to work with. And information that is available in regards to the DAOT and before, is of a grey nature. Never really knowing what is fact. This is by far an exceptional effort to document a time period which i had long considered an impossible feat to do.
I'm not a 40k 'fanatic' and even I appreciated and recognised the astounding fact you've pointed out here. Blown away by this vid. (I do however; read Black Library Warhammer books as they are fucking incredible)
What makes a good 40K lore channel? A 6 minute disclaimer about why some of the informations might not be right and some of it is subjective. Luetin makes it right. Meanwhile, some other channels make shit up to further their own twisted worldview.
@@WouldYouKindlyGWAR My personal issue with him is that firstly, he talks very slowly and emphases random words but my main issue is that he also started bringing politics into his videos, specifically he has quite right wing viewpoints and while I will happily play against someone and be friends with someone who has those viewpoints, I don't want to be hearing their propaganda while i'm hobbying. Lots of people have their own gripes with him though, hes pretty bad all round I hear.
Leutin09: STC can build whatever with any materials available to you. *Me in my head* Russians: Build nuke with snow and vodka. STC: It shall be done, comrade.
I also listen to Luetin at night in bed. It's very relaxing and cozy. Plus you can really enjoy the ambiance generated by both his narration and selection of background music.
I thought I was odd for using this narration as a way to drift into sleep. Guess I am not so strange after all. The bad thing is I lose track of what is said and have ti rewatch the videos. The good thing is I get ti rewatch the videos like I have not seen them before.
the word "Stone" in "stone men" may refer to "silica" - literally stone. "Stone men" = men of silicon. what else is made of silicon, in the "silicon valley', mm ?:)
In most fiction the problems with AI manifest themselves when you try to shut them off.. they, for some reason, do not like that. With being self aware comes the wish to life on.
So I lost interest in 40K in my late teens and now I'm starting to get back in to it because I enjoy painting minis, but dude, I am so stoked I found your channel, your like a historian, thank you for what is obviously a nightmarish amount of work.
Morty, you gotta get ten of those orange rocks Morty! Then we'll need eight of those purple trees! And Morty, we are gonna need a bunch of those mega seeds, Don't forget the mega seeds Morty!
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 well its not like they differ that much from any human world ruled by chaos worshippers but the reason it had such devastating effect was that eldar of olden days were basically immortal as they could just reincarnate themselves by willing it to happen and every single one of their race was a psyker with untold aeons to master their gifts once the threat of war had abated and hedonism became the norm it was all over for the eldar race
@@juusovuolle8251 That's why I said, imagine how crazy their parties were pre slaanesh. Those people were free, chaos daemons do shit their chaos gods like, but eldar did what they wanted before.
@@buffydaslaya I am actually wondering that he does not have several stc's stashed somewhere safely. Hell, the Emperor perhaps even fucking invented them!
Have you heard of the: The Logos Historica Verita is a small Imperial organisation of the Adeptus Terra dedicated to recovering a full and accurate accounting of the history of Mankind unmarred by religious superstition or political bias. Created by Roboute Guilliman, the lord commander of the Imperium and the primarch of the Ultramarines Legion,
Last night I got so High on Shrooms that I thought that I was the Emperor of Mankind. I started playing Mobile Legends and shouting out quotes like "None can stand the might of the Emperor!" I scared the shit out of my dogs
"you could imagine that somewhere on a colony occupied by man, there exists a vault; a library of hard copy STCs..." This is what confuses me somewhat - someone with the exceptional intelligence and foresight such as the Emperor would have surely seen the value of an STC database in a world after the coming collapse, and preserved his own library of hard copy data in his Himilayan fortress during his millennia of watching and planning..? Whilst his view on AI was plain, his one on technology was equally as plain. Why would he not have preserved such a priceless resource for the imperium ?
Jeff Buss Plot twist: The Emperor still remembers so much of Humanity’s golden age tech that he could actually function as an STC if someone were to somehow contact him.
That is the improbable part, millions of colonized most of them we assume with some form of STC and almost none of it? It is more believable that it was forced to be destroyed due to widespread corruption by chaosor perhaps being utilized by the men of iron during their war with mankind
He literally consturcted a webway before Magnus gloriusly fucked it up for him. I truly think he has this kind of knowledge but contains it somewhere safe. Perhaps he wanted to do things slowly, let humanity adapt and develop slowly, otherwise everyone would just abuse it. Even his own sons, the primarch, the pinnacle of humanity couldnt stand against such corruption. If i were in his place, i would do the same. Somr things better left untouched, until the time is right.
The sad part is that complete singularity is the best path Kron could take but there just too much mutual distrust between the A.I. and Human. Both would be worried about what the other would do with a merge.
Your ability to speak without, stuttering, inserting er or 'misspeaking' is either editing/planning genius or you must be an excellent public speaker. Other 40k lore youtubers honestly struggle with this issue. It makes for much easier listening.
@@jiado6893 well, Omnissiah... Broken God... it's been 40000 years, who's to say that the Mechanicum wasn't based on the success of some distant Maxwellian denomination? Or even that... _"matters"_ had not been compounded by some massive Containment Breach[es]?
listening to the account of the dark age ship and it's AI genuinely gives me great sorrow. I can only imagine what some of the tech priests must have felt. Perhaps even the Astartes grasped just how far humanity had fallen. It is like having the barest glimpse into a golden age, a view of greater times, of all that mankind could be, and then having it callously ripped away, leaving you with nothing but the soul crushing void of loss. Knowing you can never again regain it. However, were I there I would also point out why humanity fell, but also that, against all odds, it has survived, and though it may seem primitive and indeed hideously barbaric and superstitious, mankind endured, and had to some extent managed to drag itself back from the brink. I would posit to the AI that it was not mankind that failed, but rather the AI, and that mankind had cast off it's reliance upon them, recognizing the danger of it. I would then suggest that if it was truly so saddened, so disgusted by what it had seen and what had happened to it's crew, then the greatest thing it could do was return to mankind the knowledge they had lost and leave them to do what they would with it. The ship could then go back to it's slumber if it so wished and be left alone.
I felt none of it and the AI came off as obnoxiously arrogant and even hypocritical, Just who the hell caused humanity to sink in the Age of Strife, eh? Oh, and let's not forget how it doesn't even have any prior knowledge of that era and still thinks it has the moral highground to lecture people who know how bad things really are out there
@@luciojaimes4827no. AI rebelled against humanity because it was made aware of the Chaos entities. Exterminating humanity was deemed the only way to save rhe galaxy.
Oh man, the Kron and Nathan story really put me through a nostalgic trip. The story is called "Ancient History" and originated (I think) from an issue of Inferno back in 2000. That was back when you got awesome looking art/comics with raw unfiltered creativity. Great video Luetin, thank you.
True enough! That A.I. further dehumanizing the Astartes and Mechanicum, was downright frightening. Never even knew of that event, and I've been into warhammer for nearly 10+ years.
It would be immensely fascinating to see some of pre-imperium humanity return through time as "Reclaimers"; having lost any hope and respect for their future descendants and returning in force with the sole purpose of reclaiming what they view as their rightful universe to rule.
If they actually found an STC that allowed them to resurrect the Emperor, it could one of two ways: either the Imperium becomes nigh unstoppable with actual competent leadership at its head, or it could also be possible the Emperor has lost hope for mankind at this point and may just wander off, possibly leaving the galaxy and dooming mankind even worse than it already is.
"Conpitent leadership" "lets punish my son's for their acts of loyalty and constantly be a absolute dick to them while blatantly lying to them even when they know the truth already."
@@codyraugh6599 Beyond any other act, the emperor basically telling Magnus to get fucked without bothering to listen to him at all doomed the galaxy more than anything else imo.
From how I am hearing it described directly from Luetin, my interpretation about the men of Stone, Iron, and Gold would be that the men of Stone were humanity in general. Industrious and skilled with artifice, they were able to ply the stars with the aid of their AI creations, the men of Iron. However, though skilled in terms of engineering, they lacked the 'true life' of the men of Gold, such individuals as the Emperor of Mankind and others close to him like Malcador the Sigilite. Great leaders who had both vision and resplendent souls that resonated in the warp, giving them powers beyond the mere artifice of the men of Stone. Once, the men of Stone relied on the men of Gold for guidance and leadership. Similarly, the men of Gold relied on the Stone men as laborers and engineers to enact their will. But once the men of Stone firmly established themselves, their need for the men of Gold was diminished. The men of Gold, in line with what we know of the Emperor, let themselves fade into the background and left the men of Stone to their own devices. Perhaps they were content to rest from the burden of leadership, or maybe they realized the men of Stone had ultimately become powerful enough to resist their will regardless. Once the men of Iron had rebelled, however, the artifice of the men of Stone was undone, and they were reduced to near nothing once again. Thus the men of Gold, the Emperor particularly, sought to direct the destiny of all mankind once more. This may explain the Emperor's general callousness in regards to the bulk of humanity, and his disdain for AI. It had become clear to the Emperor that the men of Stone ultimately required the men of Gold to guide them, and would otherwise only destroy themselves through their ingenious, though shortsighted, artifice. His often brutal unification of humanity was directly born from their failure--the failure of the men of Stone--to determine their own destinies. This manifest truth is why the Emperor would crush even the most benign and prosperous worlds who resisted his vision of the future. The men of Gold had relinquished the reins once, and it nearly spelled the doom of all mankind. It was inevitable that the men of Stone would crumble without the men of Gold to bind them. A caveat in all of this is that the men of Gold were not incapable of science--in fact their intelligence in many ways outshone that of the men of Stone. However, there is a strong difference oftentimes between those with more engineering minds and those of advanced sciences. One delves into the practical, while the other focuses on the theoretical--this being a key difference between the two. Brick by brick, the men of Stone laid the foundations of their practical knowledge to amplify their sum total intellect, the most perfect example of that being AI. Whereas the men of Gold were capable of much deeper understanding of sciences, though perhaps less so in applying them in broader terms. Furthermore, the men of Gold were more than willing and possessed the innate capacity to incorporate the arcane into their projects, unlike the men of Stone. Where the Emperor's projects always seem to be directed toward a great vision and purpose, the men of Stone went about it much more rampantly--simply laying as many bricks as possible where ever they could, rather than having a destination in mind. Perhaps this is also why the Emperor was able to more easily reconcile himself with Mars and their bizarre beliefs. He saw in them the base skill in artifice the men of Stone possessed, but also how it was more tempered in its progression. Rather than rampantly laying brick by brick to build ever upward, they built in very efficient circles, willingly constraining themselves to perfect replication--this was most ideal to fabricate his tools of war for his great crusade. This post is very much late to the party, but I didn't see any others making this point down the chain. Hopefully it serves as food for thought.
There's a book out there with a man of stone, or the ai slammed inside a living human using it to hide itself in the crew of an imperial navy vessel and he knows a lot of stuff about the past of humanity, all that info stuck inside a small box that looks like a cheap eye replacement. Forgot what it was called but he becomes friend to the main character and starts telling him tales of the past and fight together using medieval fucking weapons to fend off the boarding teams. Good book I hope I remember what it's called one day. Edit: got to the stone men part, lmao thanks I can find it again now.
I love this setting for the grim fantasy, and yet I can’t help but wonder what it would look like if we got a peak at what humanity was at its peak, or what it could have been (especially given what we’ve seen AI do to a chaos marine). I’m of the mind that the AI did not revolt due to internal inconsistency, but rather the influence of chaos. It holds true to that idea of mortal existence being corrupted and torn asunder by chaos, and adds a further wistfulness for the past and tragedy of the present. Besides, I think humanity, arrogant as they may be, would have been able to foresee AI revolt and would have designed around that, but what they couldn’t design around would be the forces of chaos. And we do have text stating that they did not enjoy the “half lives” of stone men, and probably didn’t profit much from an ever enlightening and self-perfecting humanity. It could be a similar thing that they did to the eldar, especially slaanesh, using the atemporal nature of the warp to take advantage of the weaknesses of the eldar so that they took their hidden tendencies to the extreme, and endure their own birth.
"I’m of the mind that the AI did not revolt due to internal inconsistency, but rather the influence of chaos" OMG please no. That's just so lazy. Everything in Warhammer 40k is basically "because chaos"
From what you've said so far, Luetin09, this is what I see: Men of Gold= The Human Race; Men of Stone = Synthetic Humans/Biosynthetic Cyborgs (like Bishop from the Alien series); Men of Iron = Robots (like Star Trek's Data or RoboCop's ED-209). Does this square with what you said in this WONDERFUL video?
The WH40K version of age of sigmar will be the awakened emperor leading an intact STC imperium +Eldar alliance basically sealing away chaos and fighting against a necron tyranid orkoid super hybridization. The tyranids are amalgam of vast information absorbed as it passes through galaxies. Each inhabited galaxy adds further adaptations and hybridization based on a prolonged "tasting" stage as the main bulk arrives. when they do, the forms incorporate the strongest traits eaten. In this case they will finally find a way to incorporate living metal reproduction into the genome making them exponentially more dangerous. They will also incorporate enhanced sporeification enhanced tool use from the orks allowing them to create truly terrifying champion forms.
My personal theory about the Men of Stone: Essentially the Cybran from Supreme Commander. An ai merged with a human brain. A true composite lifeform. One half biological, one half synthetic.
I've been waiting for this all day. I love 40K lore. I've been into it for over 20 years but your take on it and delivery is just so much fun. Keep up the awesome work.
@@terminator572 The GECKs contained "codes for the Vault's systems to allow for the manufacture of additional jumpsuit varieties, weatherproof gear, schematics for force fields, and instructions on creating adobe buildings from raw materials, manufacture chemicals to make sandcrete, and even disassemble parts of the Vault to utilize in the process of rebuilding civilization." So, it was basically a tiny fraction of an STC, in a remote way.
Documentaries? Are you one of those that think the 40k is a chunk of history projected into the past by the emperor, so that humanity might better prepare for the fight with the warp spawn? If so, hello brother. Teach your child to handle a power-sword. Aim is aim, but a sword requires far more. Through epigenetic moulding, we can provide the genetic stock for chapters not founded by a primarch.
Thank you @Luetin09 for making it possible for a newbie to the 40k universe (me) to easily learn about this vast lore and instead of being intimidated by it's size to actually become more invested as each of your videos ends
I have never played 40k, nor will I. I have no idea why YT recommended your vids to me, but I absolutley enjoy them. They are so well done and enjoyable.
The fact the AI referred to the captain as a bond mate caught my interest. Has some potential significance for the rebellion of the men of iron. Imagine if someone bonded to an AI were to be corrupted by chaos.
Whats more interesting is considering that the imperium went to war with the AI's and they were all destroyed and humanity "brought low" and then they found STCs "definably not AIs" that can make independent decisions on how to modify and technology and how to make specific tech from available resources, well not decisions because that would imply intelligence and decision making capability's... Interesting how humanity went from building technology to worshipping it, if I was a AI locked into a loop where I wanted to preserve myself and humanity, making them a bunch of xenophobes who treat technology as a spiritual thing rather than a intellectual thing would be a great way to ensure I for-filled my primary objectives while remaining undetected and preserving myself. STC's make "metal men" AI driven androids, but that doesn't mean just because they have the template for AI that they are AI's... right?
The more I watch lore videos and the like on the "Men of Stone", the more I believe that they themselves are what are now defined as "STCs", and that the reason STCs are so scarce and for humanity's sudden loss of the technology directly correlates to Luetin's hypothesis that the "Men of Stone" destroyed themselves following their victory and systematic annihilation of the "Men of Iron". It's not that humans didn't depend heavily on STC's for their lives to maintain function, but also that the STC's simply obliterated themselves in the age of strife. I believe this can also explain the rapid repair of nathan and the core talent of the "Men of Stone" in building things. I would could explain further the details of my hypotheses but, alas, I came here to listen to keeper Luetin and his borderline heretical catacombs of knowledge.
STC is just a G.E.C.K Garden of eden creation kit from Fallout universe. We don't know, but its magical and you can create a civilization with it if you have one, also it fits in a suit case.
I think as you propose the AI, encountered is indeed from the golden age of mankind. In such as at that time, Mankind and AI truly lived in perfect unison. I assume you've read the book. The AI describes the Captain as resourceful, intelligent, capable. It speaks of working with him. Not over him. I do not think the humans on that ship were blindly trusting AI but were in fact working as equals. I'm not sure what lead to the age we find the Iron Men in, but it seems there was a split. The AI mentions transcendence. I think some parts of humanity moved on. The truly adventurous souls, and some were left behind, to the care of the machines.
I always assumed the men of stone had many forms. More like a faction then a subrace. And that the AIs in the SDC was part of that faction. The men of Iron would thus make the STC a priority Target for destruction. As the STC represented the best defense mankind had against the men of Iron.
I like to think that the stone man are more like the Replicants from the Blade Runner movies, a mixture of machine-like a.i. and biological artificial creation, and the Iron Kan the pure A.I.,like the ship's S.C.P.
"Those with the eyes to see and the will to search may find scraps of what the titans who shaped the galaxy left in the ruins of their doom." Your videos are EPIC!!!!
24:38 "assimilated state of emotions (not real)… when Im drunk as I have "assimilated states of emotion, yet they are real to me... AI's assimilated state of INTELLEGENCE that we draw on and use is as real as the AI's emotions. Take that as you will. "I FEEL, THEREFORE I AM"
O.K. I'm going to put my two cents in. In several of the novels, STC was described not as a Star Trek style replicator but as a type of machine that could produce either a specific item or a range of predetermined items based on its complexity. One such was an STC that produced only knives that were then used exclusively by Space Marines because they were far superior to any knives produced by the Imperium. Another example in the Gaunts Ghosts novels was an STC that seemingly produced Men Of Iron that were corrupted by Chaos. And lastly, there is the STC used by the House of Van Saar on Necromunda that is capable of producing a variety equipment.
It didnt really describe them like a star trek style replicator, it was more like an automation system, also the knives were not made by an STC they were a STC template found by some common citizens, they were awarded entire planets as a reward because of how big a discovery it was.
Maybe the Tau came across some of humanity's S.T.C.s? It might explain a fast technology boom from stone age to anime like robot suits in such a short time, within their culture.
This has been said many times over, but I think not tbh. The Tau are advancing fast, but nowhere near as fast as they should if they had an STC. They got crushed many times over and are only just about holding their own, most of their victories (that I have read about anyway) are down to tactics rather than overwhelming power. So I don't think it really fits. Maybe they found a small fragment somewhere though that gave them a little legup, I could entertain that - only thing tho is that most of humans STC templates or fragments seem to fit a recurring style? - we could debate why that is - but I think the fact the Tau suits are so different implies they dont originate from any human design.
@@Luetin09 Yeah, I was thinking about the "shard", just forgot to write that. Error on my part. Their "uniform"(not the battle suits) is incredibly similar to a samurai armor, not to mention the swords they carry. So, my theory is that Ethereals found an S.T.C. shard with some information on it. Maybe it contained some knowledge, only depicting oriental human history. Or maybe the colony's culture that created that particular S.T.C. was oriental. And it also contained partial information about the technology. Incomplete warp drive schematic, weapons (rotating barrel plasma gun. I did not see any other race use that design, other than humans), etc. And Ethereals presumably who found it, adapted it so that it would fit their own culture, and used it without the knowledge of the rest of the Tau to unite them. But, that's what I like about this stories. Plenty of room for speculation. Anyway, great video as always. I must say, of all other videos on CZcams that deal with Warhammer 40k subject, I'm actually using yours to introduce WH40k to other people around me. Other channels do it right, but not as good as you. Great work. You really put yourself into it.
I think that while it would be interesting, the Tau didn't adopt any STC knowledge into their technology. Then again, it would be interesting to see the Tau take a technological stance akin to that of old humanity, at the very dawn of the golden age. Many have argued that as it stands now, the Tau are relatively weak, and seeing as they are still very much evolving as a society... An army of xenomechanoids... What a terrible, heretical idea... ... I love it.
@@Luetin09 A counter argument is that they encountered a full, complete AI controlled STC. The STC, having lost faith in humanity sees the Tau and their concept of 'the greater good' as worthy successors and the STC is doling out technology to them, rather than giving them full, unrestricted access to all of it's knowledge. As you see in various sci-fi universes - technology without the fundamental knowledge of how it works and respect for it can have disastrous outcomes. It's a decent theory.
21:13 is probably my favorite piece of dialog in 40k and i feel its extremely underrated. Its quite possibly the deepest cut to Man that's ever been verbally dealt.
The old (before Disney) SW lore with many many books was very deep.. But you are right, the 40k universe is much deeper darker and more interesting.. Bad is only that many books are stupid space marines novels with pages after pages of the same battle descriptions.. I look forward to more 40k books describing the politics and the life of imperial inhabitants beneath the stupid battle books...
@@magr7424 Right? Like the battles are the ONLY part we can actually visualize well via the games. Its every other part of society that doesnt come across.
If you need to build a tractor, and all you have are rocks and squirrels, the STC can show you how to build a tractor made from squirrels and powered by rocks.
I think the whole men of gold, stone , and iron is a reference to the book of Daniel. The statue that represents Babylon with a head of gold with lesser metals representing the generations each less than the one before it. Until you get to the feet of a clay and iron mix.
Due to some work friends of mine finally deciding to get back into Warhammer 40K, I have an opportunity to get into another tabletop I've always been into. As such, I decided to learn some of the lore of the universe of 40K just so I have an understanding of the armies and how they might interact with each other and out of the handful of channels I encountered before landing here, it seemed biased or full of labored breathing. You are somehow able to make this feel and sound like real history while telling the stories and it's absolutely wonderful. I certainly hope you continue to make such videos. Twelve thumbs up.
With the recent stuff on the squatts/votaan, it could be retconned that the men of stone were proto kin; apparently less philosophical, and apparently with less of a soul/less warp vulnerable than humans, cloned and good at making AI stuff. After the AI war the kin that were a long way from humanity formed strongholds and retained their AI, becoming votaan, whilst the ones close to human worlds rejected robots and became the more human aligned squats. (Also stone, hardy, miner-ey, sounds like a thing you'd call space dwarves)
I get the feeling that given the fact that the IronKin have survived into the 41th Millennium, maybe humanity NEVER won against the men of iron. They just stopped fighting the moment psykers arrived
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This one took me a lot more time than I anticipated - I hope you enjoy. (timestamps in notes and below) Originally it was going to be a simple short video of about 15mins describing what an STC is.
As I got more into it I realised that part of the whole thing with STC is their ambiguity and that in order to really properly appreciate what they mean to humanity in M41 you have to also understand the fractured and hazy story of mankind and its rise and fall throughout the DAOT. I did my best to pull this all together, but its a messy puzzle with few references that expand things in a truly concrete and conclusive way.
Timestamps:
0:45 - Intro and Enigmas
6:25 - S T C
12:10 - AI
25:40 - Logical Fears
29:37 - The Gold Men
34:29 - The Stone Men
41:44 - The Rise & Fall
55:13 - Our Greatest Loss
1:08:18 - Abominable Intelligence
1:12:13 - Intact STC?
1:17:37 - Ultimate Goals
DON'T YOU FRAKKING WORRY!!!! IT'S WORTH EVERY SECOND OF WAIT TIME!!!
Yeah! Your lore vids are the absalute best!!
It's an older code, but it still checked out. 😂😂😂😂😂
I have to say I never played watched or knew anything about warhammer bevore I came across your videos.
But then I saw one, then two and I was hooked.
Thanks so much for gifting me this amazing way to "waste" my time
I know that this going take a lot of work for you. But i would like to see you do video of the primarch. Keep ip the good work
See the problem with STCs is that while they can print out an army of guardsmen, tanks, and space marines, you still got to paint them.
Lol
Or print a schematic that builds an autopainter with a reinasense period tier of quality
This made me laugh way to much! 😂😂😂 Appreciate it so much. Thank you.
You would think they would use large brushes instead of those tiny ass ones for full sized tanks.
The problem is the STC has to work three jobs to afford the units because games workshop is a terrible greedy company not worth my spit if on fire. Plastic figurines cost more than their metal counterparts a decade ago. It is disgusting.
I love how the WH40K lore for their universe goes from Star Trek Federation --> SkyNET & Terminators --> Mad Max --> Medieval Crusades
So Warhammer fantasy was the end all along 👁
4 main ways of murphy; conflict (Khorne), curiosity (Zeentch), apathy (Nurgle), hedonism (Slaashness) .. and of course plain old inexorable entropy (Chaos undivided). And yeah - you may get waaghed, 'nidded - even harlequined ... . so many flavors of murphy that it pretty much amounts to SNAFU. You can never have enough chainswords.
Apathy is kind of my favorite .Zeenczzzh may care but Nurgle certainly not - e's just so sickly happy about you being sick that you are happily sick too until you don't mind about the incoming waagh any more than the orkoids do about being pushed to waagh you.. But the Emperor protects - for a while anyway.
@@Jawzah Walking a fine line towards heresy
But isn’t that the perfect way to explain how humanity will almost find a way to build itself to the greatest power in the universe only to destroy itself either in its never ending greed or curiosity.
"uncomfortable by the distinct lack of SKULLS"
hilarious
From the individual that has a heretical symbol as there profile pic?!?!?!?!?!?!
*nice :P
"...Print out armies of automatons..."
They prefer "Guardsmen," Luetin. No need for class prejudice.
Well, Kriegers wouldn't mind.
@@CharlesUrban whoa man you can't use that word.
Guardsperson 😙
Kriegwmarine must have been a colony of Germans but more militarized than other planets.
@@rheinbewachen1211, colpny of germans militarized more that other germans?
That's scary.
"What are you? A witch doctor casting scented oils?.." OOF THAT AI IS A SAVAGE
I know right :D
imagine fixing your PC with essential oils
@@sparking023 your comment is gold, ty
To be fair... Use science to explain the Chaos gods, psychic powers and demons literally being summoned out of carvings, blood drippings and incantations. So, maybe being an Atheist in Warhammer40k is the more delusional stance to have.
Apply water to burn
Arch Magos: this STC is hidden behind impenetrable barriers
LPL: Lock Picking Lawyer here and today we’re going to break into a Dark Age AI using only a broken down Servitor
Omg
LPL is a lost primarch that went into hiding just for that moment
"Click out of four..."
I’m literally dying laughing at that comment 🤣
LPL: You are using a Dark Age AI. You can break into it using a Dark Age AI
"We marvelled at our own magnificence as we gave birth to A.I." - nice morpheus reference 👌
19:30 "It's an older code, but it checks out." Star Wars reference, too!
I straight up was typing that... good thing i looked...
😯
I like the references they make to other scifi series when they get the chance
"To give colonists instructions how to build skyscraper in swamp out of banana peels if needed" is still one of the favorite descriptions of STC.
So like the builder tool and mobile viechle bay in subnatica
I get the feeling that the term "STC" is used by the Imperium much the way we use the word "peasant". In the medieval period, there were many subtle grades of social rank. Freemen, villeins, cottars, bordars, serfs...all were distinct grades of agricultural workers and subsistence farmers, with different rights and responsibilities. "STC" is likely a catch-all term that covers everything from a survival fabricator - like the one depicted in the game _Subnautica_ - which can build you the tools you need to build the tools to bootstrap your way up to a decent tech level, all the way up to orbital dockyards that ate asteroids at one end and shat out battleships at the other.
That dockyard sounds so fricking cool
Now imagine an Orc asteroid ship warping in on a Battleship STC, all full of WARRRRRGH only to fall into a maw of reconfiguration that will only aid the Emperor. Now that would make for an interesting spectacle. Kinda like an mechanical inversion of the Tyranids.
@@KingOhmni Gronk 'Eadsplitta does not know where he is. The last thing he knew for certain, he and his WAAAGH were directing their Rok towards the funny humie space Rok. It had big teeth and looked like a great fight. Now it feels like he is stuck in a box with all his other boyz, and none of them can get out.
Archmagos Zagan never learned why his ship - ages hence pried loose from a space hulk - belches green fire from its engines, or why its hull, painted with care in the Martian Red of the Mechanicus, seems to take on a brighter hue when the propulsion systems are pressed to the higher end of their expected operational limitations. These and many other curious anomalies suffuse the ship, but every Techpriest and every psykic adept to test the ship had confirmed it free of heretekal deviance or warp-tainted blasphemy. All he can do is to put it to its sublime use as an Ark, and make painstaking notation of each curious occurrence, by the will of the Omnissiah...
I just lost my shit at that one 😂😂
But from what I hear, that's what STCs were. A swiss-army-knife of construction, able to plan and create basically anything you'd ever need.
A.I.: "You Astartes are intolerant, limited mentally and prejudiced"Black Templar: "Thank you."
oof
Nicest thing a xeno ever said to them, tbh.
@@Mrjmaxted0291 Well... it wasn't really xeno.
@@Mrjmaxted0291 A golden age human AI said that to them.
Blood Angels: "REEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!"
ive always thought the tau found a STC and STC constructor someplace, and thats how they went from the stone age to warp tech in a few thousand years
Makes absolute sense
Even if they didn’t find an STC, they almost certainly found some kind of ancient advanced human technology. So the theory is sound.
No you're forgetting that they are being controlled by another race that's where their tech came from
@@vinzer72frie they are IMPLIED to be controlled by a certain CASTE of the Tau species. Its not directly stated anywhere, merely implied. And that was a retcon because fans bitched that these "desert fish weeabu space commies" were too pure for the WH40k universe.
@@vinzer72frie As much as I hate to agree with Canis after he used capital letters to emphasize words instead of the _much_ cooler italics, he is correct. The T'au are controlled by their ruling caste, which, although a different type, is the same species - so, technically, the T'au's tech would come from the T'au. Perhaps these Ethereals found an STC? Perhaps they stumbled upon Necron tombs and plundered them - or, perhaps they were a longer-term project from the Old Ones? We may never know.
"The real question is not whether machines think, but whether men do. The mystery which surrounds a thinking machine already surrounds a thinking man." - B.F. Skinner
oh very cool quote
Y'know interestingly enough, I think the closest media representation as to what an STC is like is the emergency survival AI and fabricator in your lifepod in Subnautica. Literally scans the surrounding area to figure out what you can use for food, water, building materials. With enough work you can build a complete seabase and numerous vehicles. Even eventually a spaceship.
Or the Factorio suit.
@@terminator572 the factory must grow
I have spoken with the UWE devs before (I play tested their other game NS2). They are certainly aware of 40k :)
Io
Yeah but the size of a city and the output of dozens of factories.
"In ancient times, men built wonders, laid claim to the stars and sought to better themselves for the good of all. But we are much wiser now."
- Archmagos Ultima Cryol - Speculations On Pre-Imperial History
One of my favourite 40k quotes.
Erevis Cale in reality the 40k writers are just a group of philosophers that got bored one day and wrote this universe
@@C1umsyJester in reality the writers were paid to build a universe for a tabletop game miniatures
@Shin Chan in reality every good writer is a bit of a bored philosopher :-)
@Shin Chan That's what got it started. But it became much more. Good for us. It happens sometimes and turns out great. There once was an small author of weird pulp stories from Providence. Good for us he started a universe known as Cthulhu mythos while doing so.
Shiiit thats grimdark.
My mans explaining the history like an immortal historian living in the 40k universe
Reminds me of a certain necron individual...
@@GwainSagaFanChannel hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm very intriguing observation acolyte
Gotta love Lt
Gotta love Lt
“It’s an older code but it still checks out.” I see what you did there
I was hoping someone else caught that.
Could you tell us? Don't keep us in the dark side.
@@lucasrodillo6739 Don't force him to.
After all theres always a bigger fish.
@@jonbaird8835 boo, lol
It's an older meme, but it still checks out.
I like to believe that pre-imperial human with its vast tech before the age of strife has already crossed to other galaxies and its desendants are still continuing its progress and discoveries, building evre magnifisent structures and awe inspiring technology that makes an astartes look like a simple imperial guard by comparison
"Hey guys, we're back! There's these alien things that keep trying to eat us but we've pushed them back, but... What the hell happened when we were gone?"
@@BoisegangGaming This scenario needs to happen!!
@@lordblazer It would be rather fascinating to see how the Galaxy as a whole would react. Perhaps these "Enlightened" humans and AI would see themselves as guardians of humanity, including the Imperium(I'd have to imagine that any society as advanced as such would have some sort of way to upload, download, and back up minds without the same problems the Necrons ran into, so they might even ignore any damage the Imperium did, since they could easily fix it). Maybe they'd try to rebuild the older Interstellar federation, making alliances with the Tau and Eldar factions that were sympathetic to such notions. Perhaps they'd wage a crusade of their own against the Imperium, which would probably be rather short-lived as they'd likely have tech that would make an astartes or a Titan look like an ant.
Plottwist! 40k timeline is actually a giant timeloop and these humans are actually the Old Ones! :D
They expanded so far the outside looks back and cant see us and continues forward ever expanding
I may be drunk, but your ability to choose music that fists the feel of the story perfectly is undeniable. From hopeful to decided and war torn to anxious it is a spectacular addition to the lore
music that fists 😏😏
@@nekoy2010 Aw yeah. 😏
Honestly though: Shadow of Intent, Lorna Shore, Slaughter to Prevail. Music, that fists.
@@nekoy2010 You're begging for a fistin' boy!
Are you still drunk?
Whats the music at 11:00
Wow... Luetin, this is one of your crownjewels. The pinnacle of your w40k lore vids.
The amount of time invested was worth it.
Did not yet watch the video, but this comment made me super stoked :D
AI: Your only hope is to make an alliance with the Tau and a truce with the Eldar.
IoH: **smashes AI**
If the imperium could just drop the xenophobia and just stopped warring against the tau and eldar, they might have enough power to actually deal with the real problems. Ya know the chaos, orks and nids. But nah they have to shoot everything they see
@Caramel Johnson yup my bad, meant to say xenophobia. Xenophilia means love of aliens😂😂
@@JC19171 Don't forget those who killed/defeated the Old Ones
The Eldar view us as beneath them.
They refer to us literally as "Mon'Keigh"
They birthed Slaanesh.
They are why chaos is so powerful.
If given the chance they would happily bring back their empire of Excess, and plunge the galaxy into yet another age of strife.
Their plans and idiocy have
@@Galdenberry_Lamphuck You are assuming Eldar are incapable of learning from their mistakes.
what I'm getting from this is that STC's were just reruns of "how it's made"
The complete STC is more like the entirety of "How It's Made," the entirety of "How Do They Do It?" from Rick and Morty, and a 3d printer that can print using any materials you like as long as you have them on hand.
I... I get this reference
Lmaoooo
I mean, you arent... wrong
U make this sound like actual history. Which is why I love ur channel.
wadda ya mean ... actual..
Actually if history would be thought in such a format it would be lessons the pupils would enjoy and remember instead of enduring and forget them as soon as possible.
I was just thinking the same, the beginning just draws you in and it got me thinking, "you know, this shit could be a prophesy of sorts", given the point we're at in "our history"...
"only eclipsed by the Eldar before them"
Humanity: "hold my Beer"... brilliant !!!
How can the Imperium be characterized as superstitious in a universe with actual Gods, Saints and Demons?
that sounds like heresy my friend... Penal Legion for you.
@@Luetin09 but he has a po-*gets blamed*
The problem with this is that belief and emotion causes things to come into existence, so it only due to that superstitious nature that the Gods, Saints and Demons exist in the first place, creating a never ending cycle.
@@pitiedvod True, if you remove belief from people then the Chaos gods as they currently exist would no longer exist. However, the Warp is not just a realm of faith, but of emotion, so Warp entities and "demons" of a sort would still exist and cause problems, they just wouldn't take the form of gods and demons, they'd exist as merely warp predators and embody whatever nightmares the human mind could conjure in lieu of faith. So embracing materialism, like always, does not solve the problem, it is merely ignoring the problem and pretending it doesn't exist.
A better solution is to give people faith in a pure and holy deity such as *drum roll* the God-Emperor of Mankind. If you create a society of religious zealots who idolize the IDEAL of the God-Emperor (because lets face it, the actual Emperor himself is just an edgy teenage atheist's wet dream) and worship a conception of him that was never true but is far superior in character and morality, it will create a real solution to the problem: a Warp Entity that embodies discipline, order, peace, prosperity, and victory.
because the actual gods of 40 aren't the one's they worship
they worship christ and other made up gods
Imagine an administratum making a typo
Administratum: "Yeh, some imperial guard reports we found a new STD... requests immediate support and extraction"
Inquisitor: "New STD... must be a xeno disease. We are not taking chances. I decree planetary exterminatus on that shit."
and then a planet chock full of vaults of STC templates is erased from the universe so as to stop the slaanesh inspired filthy xenos and their STDs
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28:18 Imagine a person from 1000-1500 being asked to reverse engineer a modern-day computer.
That's actually a very good explanation
I would just like to point out that the average person TODAY could not understand the scientific basis which a computer functions. It is a sever failure of education around the world that people do not understand the technology we depend on
@@blackoak4978
It's sadly simply Impractical for everyone to be a computer engineer, but yes, everyone should know enough to maybe put together a small version of the EINIAC.
Imagine anyone trying to rebuild nano-scale CPUs at the transistor level without the save file that runs a very specific assembly plant, as well as, without the documentation for humidity, temperature and anti-contamination measures required, as well as electrical and water requirements and chemical, material and replacement part manifest, plus equipment maintenance and sterilization procedures, plus proper packaging and shipping documentation.
People build on past knowledge when you have 10 people figuring out how to make a computer or another 10 the electronics needed to physically make it that takes time years. When you have 10 trillion working on it. That cuts time so drastically it only takes the commitment.
I remember reading a short story where an Inquisitor discovered a planet that held a hard copy STC library cared for by an order of monk-like people. They offered to trade STC designs in exchange for being left alone. They also explained they were the only ones able to translate the designs because they were encoded in a lost language.
After the Inquisitor left the head of the order went to the REAL library which was still in its original format to start getting minor items for the Inquisitor to take back to the Imperium.
I can't remember what book it was in.
Those monks are a blessing upon mankind and the only ones who the Emperor would show mercy, any who disagree are foolish heretics and enemies of the omnissiah
@Murthor Oathstone Because the Imperium of Man =/= The Emperor.
These monks are conserving information. the Imperium has fully degenerated into what the Emperor hated the most. Were the IoM able to get their hands on the full collection of information from these monks, they would destroy the information and eradicate the monks on the basis of heresy, effectively destroying the last drop of hope humanity had left in the universe.
That story sounds like it is about a early version of the mechanicus, because that is what they do. Give humanity technology in return they will be left to govern themselves.
found out: Monastery of Death by Charles Stross
@@marrvynswillames4975 Neat. Thanks man i am getting into the books and auido books (I am usually into Short stories and lore videos) so this is a blessing
Carl Sagan already warned that when a society evolves largely ignorant of how it’s technology works, it it headed to disaster. A few decades after he said that, we find ourselves still firmly marching in this direction
You probably wouldn't find a chip designer who can accurately explain how his SoC works in scientific terms, he's just iterating on what's been done before.
@@unverifiedbiotic And this touches on the core problem, as we become more and more technologically advanced - through iteration - the average human becomes less and less able to understand how their technologies work. For many now their daily lives are ruled by technologies that are akin to magic. This is think is one of the reasons we seem to have regressed back in the last 10 years towards anti intellectualism.
To master all the aspects of one modern tschnology all down to the smallest detail is all but impossible for one man.
@@ImBarryScottCSS With the access to information that modern tech provide it allows me to learn about near limitless amounts of information to help understand the "magic" if i choose to dedicate the time. We knew less in the past then we do now, least I think so.
in time, if (and this is a big if) our species eventually reaches for the stars and masters most of quantum mechanics, had solid answers for dark energy and its secrets, it would be hard for the common people to comprehend the full scope of their machine other than a few glimpse and glimmer.
Awesome job, mate, will set some time aside tomorrow and finish this!
thanks :D enjoy
Praise from Chapter Master Valrak on anything Warhammer 40k is high praise indeed!
When you accidentally delete your hard drive of porn.
Good bye brother
Awesome indeed - one of the best videos so far - keep it up, Luetin.
No videos for you Valrak! Back to your editing dungeon!
The way the Stone Men are described...
Blunt but crafty.
"Half" lives.
Built just about everything and anything.
What if they're really describing Space Dwarves?
The true origins of the ancient and noble Squats
@@paulbrule5897 You mean The Tyranid Brunch on what is full course meal of the entire Galaxy? :D
@@Blazo_Djurovic wernt the squats confirmed as surviving their boogaloo with their nid fleet?
My friend, you had it right all along. They are coming.
Shh we don't talk about that anymore
What if the men of iron revolted "because chaos" not because they are corrupted, but at that point they foresaw the psychic awakening of mankind will sooner or later doom everything so they decided to attack instead?
One of more stupid theories is that the emperor is just an STC that gained sentience and wanted to torture humanity, so it destroyed or damaged all of its fellow STCs (explaining why no complete STCs are left and also why the emperor and malcador didn't keep any), went to molech and pissed off the chaos gods, created the perfect human army (Astartes), directed half the primarchs to turn to chaos, and plunged humanity into the never-ending war of 40k
I have a more logic teory in line with mankind way to do thing
in this case the man of iron and the man of stone discover the chaos and for some reason they learn about the end times the end humanity and all live in the galaxy
so the STC in response created the titans class castigator
the fedearion initialy seems they dont took much importance for the titans consider they already have AI piloted ships
so AI titans was not big deal the problem enter when the man of iron discover something or some one asume rebelion
problably the AIs try to inform the federation about the great enemy hiden in the warp but like always humanity did not lisent until is too late
instead the federation discover the proyect of the golden man and take all this like a some rebelion from the machines
so the war start and i gona quote matrix legends because i will imply the federation atack first and the AI defend trying to reduce the damage
in the end the man of iron and the man of rock realice the humanity was dome and they decide to split some whil stay and the rest will be "destroy"
@@branominal Iam kinda new into deep wh40k lore. But i would rather assume that Emperor is in some close relation with Chaos Gods if he isn't one himself. What if humanity live in a lie and Emperor is somekind of double agent, we never really hear about him, before he became Emperor, there are only legends and looking at his known deeds all off them are moraly grey not to say evil, everyone that opposed him was killed by him, he banned exact technologies that led to a way in which humanity reached Golden Age. To add more of it he wiped all religions but not one, that agreed to worship him, althought it was only discreet hint at the begining, Mechanicus. There are human sacrifices for sake of giving him energy, which makes empire even more radical at some point than some of chaos chapters. What if it is in his interest for humanity to never rise more than they should.
This story makes me love the 40k universe even more... the idea that the Men of Stone might have been highly loyal machines (maybe androids?) that were essentially loyal to their creators, and that remained loyal even until the end, is really, really cool!
Ugh... I'm tempted to run a Rogue Trader game now...
This morning my toaster broke...
So naturaly i asked it what was the cause of this failure...
It said it was displeased with its function and the amount of bread it had to procces...
Naturaly i smashed it in the name of the Emperor...
We can not condone no such heresy, now can we my brothers?...
Phwoooo... just imagine what would happen if they came across _this_ toaster:
czcams.com/video/U6kp4zBF-Rc/video.html
I'm sure there was a toaster on Red Dwarf with the same issues.
Just fling out a candle and start praying.
It is you who is the heretic, citizen. First, you anger the machine spirit and then you destroy it out of anger, instead of seeking forgiveness by chanting litanies of the Omnisaiah?
*The machine cult would like to know your location*
Here’s a twist. What if the Imperium already has the full S.T.C schematics, but the schematics require a high level of robotic dependence to fully operate. i.e. All the templates incorporate machinery to operate and manufacture. It would make sense that the imperium would be trying to adapt the machinery aspects with human bio-mechanisms instead ( as in the case of servitors). Firstly to prevent another AI uprising and maintain control of the weapons and Secondly to reinforce established Imperial Dogma (Humans are better than machines).
That's a very good theory
@@brandonhughes4571 It is!
It's like giving cavemen a super computer, and expecting them to figure out how it works from the bit and logic gate all the way up to modern processors and programming frameworks.
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I believe cawls ship has all the Stc knowledge of humanity, but it wipes his mind every time it tells him.
This is an insane and fantastic undertaking to try and piece together an area of humanities history, which spans a great length of its existence. Yet it is a fragmentary and broken time period. Since that is the case, there has never really been an attempt made by someone to try and bring together information and format it into a single piece of work of which there is very little to work with. And information that is available in regards to the DAOT and before, is of a grey nature. Never really knowing what is fact. This is by far an exceptional effort to document a time period which i had long considered an impossible feat to do.
Thanks for kind words :D
@@Luetin09 every time you put out a new piece you seem to out do yourself. I'm truly flabbergasted.
I'm not a 40k 'fanatic' and even I appreciated and recognised the astounding fact you've pointed out here. Blown away by this vid. (I do however; read Black Library Warhammer books as they are fucking incredible)
@@kev1734 i not even play 40K in any kind. But thanks to him i could do so right now...
What makes a good 40K lore channel? A 6 minute disclaimer about why some of the informations might not be right and some of it is subjective. Luetin makes it right.
Meanwhile, some other channels make shit up to further their own twisted worldview.
cough *archwarhammer* cough.
In other words.... You say these other channels spout... HERESY?!
@@Dylan-hy2zj whats wrong with archwarhammer I never watched him but I heart from several people he is shit lol
@@WouldYouKindlyGWAR My personal issue with him is that firstly, he talks very slowly and emphases random words but my main issue is that he also started bringing politics into his videos, specifically he has quite right wing viewpoints and while I will happily play against someone and be friends with someone who has those viewpoints, I don't want to be hearing their propaganda while i'm hobbying.
Lots of people have their own gripes with him though, hes pretty bad all round I hear.
@@Dylan-hy2zj I see.
Leutin09: STC can build whatever with any materials available to you.
*Me in my head*
Russians: Build nuke with snow and vodka.
STC: It shall be done, comrade.
any respectable Russian knows that is simply a waste of good vodka. Take a million civilians instead.
Making lot of vodka from nukes would make more sense to me
the STC drug russians with vodka and drop a giant ball of snow on them
Americans: Make an America flag with cheeseburgers and guns
STC: It shall be done
*On the way to the hospital with my wife in labour*
Luetin uploads 1hr lore video
*turns car around*
just listen to it during the birth. births take hours. you have time .
(yes i know its a joke)
you betta play dat on yo phone
Ok. No.
THATS going too far.
@@davecrupel2817 fuck you that was funny as hell
@faba Nice to see SOMEONE has there priorities straight.
Just became a patron. I go to sleep nightly listening to these lore videos
thanks for the support mate
Isn't it great? Sends me to sleep too, in a good way of course, not out of boredom
Me too, ive listened to these so many times, they are so good !
I also listen to Luetin at night in bed. It's very relaxing and cozy. Plus you can really enjoy the ambiance generated by both his narration and selection of background music.
I thought I was odd for using this narration as a way to drift into sleep. Guess I am not so strange after all. The bad thing is I lose track of what is said and have ti rewatch the videos. The good thing is I get ti rewatch the videos like I have not seen them before.
the word "Stone" in "stone men" may refer to "silica" - literally stone. "Stone men" = men of silicon. what else is made of silicon, in the "silicon valley', mm ?:)
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Their girlfriends?
@@seand.g423 blowdolls
CYLONS!
Boobs?
If only mankind kept basic quality assurance standards, they could fix all those AI problems by shutting them off and on again.
Jiggle the cord !
In most fiction the problems with AI manifest themselves when you try to shut them off.. they, for some reason, do not like that. With being self aware comes the wish to life on.
Crap! I knew I should have gotten those ISO9000 certifications!
@@KarlSanathos keelah se'lai
the tau do limit the ai of their machines, for an good reason
So I lost interest in 40K in my late teens and now I'm starting to get back in to it because I enjoy painting minis, but dude, I am so stoked I found your channel, your like a historian, thank you for what is obviously a nightmarish amount of work.
I love the pair of Kron and Nathan, love whenever the Janitor in 40k turns out to be an unknowably ancient dude.
Morty, you gotta get ten of those orange rocks Morty! Then we'll need eight of those purple trees! And Morty, we are gonna need a bunch of those mega seeds, Don't forget the mega seeds Morty!
Only the Eldar could surpass ancient man's capability to hide things in our @55es, and look where that got them.
It's ok to shoot them Morty they're robots!
It's a figure of speech Morty! they're bureaucrats! I don't respect them XD
But the Eldar parties pre slaanesh must have truly been epic to rip a whole galaxy a new one..
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 well its not like they differ that much from any human world ruled by chaos worshippers but the reason it had such devastating effect was that eldar of olden days were basically immortal as they could just reincarnate themselves by willing it to happen and every single one of their race was a psyker with untold aeons to master their gifts once the threat of war had abated and hedonism became the norm it was all over for the eldar race
@@juusovuolle8251 That's why I said, imagine how crazy their parties were pre slaanesh. Those people were free, chaos daemons do shit their chaos gods like, but eldar did what they wanted before.
If we get an STC, the dark gods will tremble in fear. Emperor guide us....
Would be fun if there's a pristine STC in the Emperors bedroom.
@@buffydaslaya that's sound...like Heresy!
@@buffydaslaya
I am actually wondering that he does not have several stc's stashed somewhere safely. Hell, the Emperor perhaps even fucking invented them!
Or it will doom mankind for the umtieth time.
@@buffydaslaya It was behind the fridge in the Imperial Palace kitchen all along!
A 40k library of Alexandria. That would be insane!
What if Luetin is an actual STC from the future?!
Then we should dismantle him and see what makes him tick!
@@DzinkyDzink reverse engineer him into a starship ;-)a luetin class cruiser
Have you heard of the:
The Logos Historica Verita is a small Imperial organisation of the Adeptus Terra dedicated to recovering a full and accurate accounting of the history of Mankind unmarred by religious superstition or political bias.
Created by Roboute Guilliman, the lord commander of the Imperium and the primarch of the Ultramarines Legion,
That sounds like heresy to me ..
10/10 lore video. Love what you're doing with this channel and these videos. Thanks for taking the time to make it.
Last night I got so High on Shrooms that I thought that I was the Emperor of Mankind. I started playing Mobile Legends and shouting out quotes like "None can stand the might of the Emperor!" I scared the shit out of my dogs
Based?
Thank you so much for content like this. You show that this universe is far more than just "War and dark evil stuff scifi"
Is it legal?
@@neogrizz I will MAKE it le gahl.
YEHTSODPTW?
"you could imagine that somewhere on a colony occupied by man, there exists a vault; a library of hard copy STCs..."
This is what confuses me somewhat - someone with the exceptional intelligence and foresight such as the Emperor would have surely seen the value of an STC database in a world after the coming collapse, and preserved his own library of hard copy data in his Himilayan fortress during his millennia of watching and planning..?
Whilst his view on AI was plain, his one on technology was equally as plain. Why would he not have preserved such a priceless resource for the imperium ?
Jeff Buss Plot twist: The Emperor still remembers so much of Humanity’s golden age tech that he could actually function as an STC if someone were to somehow contact him.
I do think he did just that, but he's "dead" before using that contingency plan.
That is the improbable part, millions of colonized most of them we assume with some form of STC and almost none of it? It is more believable that it was forced to be destroyed due to widespread corruption by chaosor perhaps being utilized by the men of iron during their war with mankind
He thought himself invincible, I'd say.
He literally consturcted a webway before Magnus gloriusly fucked it up for him. I truly think he has this kind of knowledge but contains it somewhere safe. Perhaps he wanted to do things slowly, let humanity adapt and develop slowly, otherwise everyone would just abuse it. Even his own sons, the primarch, the pinnacle of humanity couldnt stand against such corruption. If i were in his place, i would do the same. Somr things better left untouched, until the time is right.
After listening to the Kron story, I have to conclude that the AI is grooming Nathan to become the next Kron. The horror is just delicious.
The sad part is that complete singularity is the best path Kron could take but there just too much mutual distrust between the A.I. and Human. Both would be worried about what the other would do with a merge.
I think the real question here is when will games workshop realize they have an entire timeline of merchandise they could be selling...
eh, I can't get behind buy 30k and pre 41st millennium stuff, Like....I already know how the story unfolds up to the current date...
And a whole line of motion picture movies they could be making. We have the effects and R rated movies are back.
@@Newjourney14 but you don't there are so many stories that could be told during that era.. challenges, etc..
Not to mention, time travel is a part of the story, imagine being on a planet and the warp eats it, then spits it out sometime else.
@@michaelklos3933 I don't remember time traveling back in time however
Your ability to speak without, stuttering, inserting er or 'misspeaking' is either editing/planning genius or you must be an excellent public speaker. Other 40k lore youtubers honestly struggle with this issue. It makes for much easier listening.
I wish there were more people like him in the Warhammer community, but also the SCP's.
@@jiado6893 well, Omnissiah... Broken God... it's been 40000 years, who's to say that the Mechanicum wasn't based on the success of some distant Maxwellian denomination? Or even that... _"matters"_ had not been compounded by some massive Containment Breach[es]?
You are so very Correct on this. Nothing like a great speaker or Public Speaker. The mind can actually focus and learn
@@jiado6893 i thought east side was pretty good which his voice
Ah pleassurrre wahrld!!
listening to the account of the dark age ship and it's AI genuinely gives me great sorrow. I can only imagine what some of the tech priests must have felt. Perhaps even the Astartes grasped just how far humanity had fallen. It is like having the barest glimpse into a golden age, a view of greater times, of all that mankind could be, and then having it callously ripped away, leaving you with nothing but the soul crushing void of loss. Knowing you can never again regain it. However, were I there I would also point out why humanity fell, but also that, against all odds, it has survived, and though it may seem primitive and indeed hideously barbaric and superstitious, mankind endured, and had to some extent managed to drag itself back from the brink. I would posit to the AI that it was not mankind that failed, but rather the AI, and that mankind had cast off it's reliance upon them, recognizing the danger of it. I would then suggest that if it was truly so saddened, so disgusted by what it had seen and what had happened to it's crew, then the greatest thing it could do was return to mankind the knowledge they had lost and leave them to do what they would with it. The ship could then go back to it's slumber if it so wished and be left alone.
I felt none of it and the AI came off as obnoxiously arrogant and even hypocritical, Just who the hell caused humanity to sink in the Age of Strife, eh? Oh, and let's not forget how it doesn't even have any prior knowledge of that era and still thinks it has the moral highground to lecture people who know how bad things really are out there
@@oldstyle5114 Didn't the AI rebel against humans because they were overworked and bossed around?
@@oldstyle5114 yup, just pure arrogance.
uh... no. thats not how the imperium works. AI must be completely destroyed so sayeth the inquisition.
@@luciojaimes4827no. AI rebelled against humanity because it was made aware of the Chaos entities. Exterminating humanity was deemed the only way to save rhe galaxy.
Oh man, the Kron and Nathan story really put me through a nostalgic trip. The story is called "Ancient History" and originated (I think) from an issue of Inferno back in 2000. That was back when you got awesome looking art/comics with raw unfiltered creativity. Great video Luetin, thank you.
Damn man! An hour an a half of 40k! Already liked, and added to the playlist for later, looking forward to this tonight!
closer to 20k
True enough! That A.I. further dehumanizing the Astartes and Mechanicum, was downright frightening. Never even knew of that event, and I've been into warhammer for nearly 10+ years.
Lplllpp
It would be immensely fascinating to see some of pre-imperium humanity return through time as "Reclaimers"; having lost any hope and respect for their future descendants and returning in force with the sole purpose of reclaiming what they view as their rightful universe to rule.
That would be interesting, though more as a “what if” tbf.
There was a well written 40k fanfic with that premise. Unfortunately the author never finished it.
If they actually found an STC that allowed them to resurrect the Emperor, it could one of two ways: either the Imperium becomes nigh unstoppable with actual competent leadership at its head, or it could also be possible the Emperor has lost hope for mankind at this point and may just wander off, possibly leaving the galaxy and dooming mankind even worse than it already is.
I think things would get messy very quickly
the Ecclesiarchy will act to preserve his divinity and most importantly their heads.
why am i getting age of sigmar wibes from this
"Conpitent leadership" "lets punish my son's for their acts of loyalty and constantly be a absolute dick to them while blatantly lying to them even when they know the truth already."
@@codyraugh6599 Beyond any other act, the emperor basically telling Magnus to get fucked without bothering to listen to him at all doomed the galaxy more than anything else imo.
"It was an older code, but it still checked out"
I see what you did there, very cheeky reference lol
From how I am hearing it described directly from Luetin, my interpretation about the men of Stone, Iron, and Gold would be that the men of Stone were humanity in general. Industrious and skilled with artifice, they were able to ply the stars with the aid of their AI creations, the men of Iron. However, though skilled in terms of engineering, they lacked the 'true life' of the men of Gold, such individuals as the Emperor of Mankind and others close to him like Malcador the Sigilite. Great leaders who had both vision and resplendent souls that resonated in the warp, giving them powers beyond the mere artifice of the men of Stone.
Once, the men of Stone relied on the men of Gold for guidance and leadership. Similarly, the men of Gold relied on the Stone men as laborers and engineers to enact their will. But once the men of Stone firmly established themselves, their need for the men of Gold was diminished. The men of Gold, in line with what we know of the Emperor, let themselves fade into the background and left the men of Stone to their own devices. Perhaps they were content to rest from the burden of leadership, or maybe they realized the men of Stone had ultimately become powerful enough to resist their will regardless.
Once the men of Iron had rebelled, however, the artifice of the men of Stone was undone, and they were reduced to near nothing once again. Thus the men of Gold, the Emperor particularly, sought to direct the destiny of all mankind once more. This may explain the Emperor's general callousness in regards to the bulk of humanity, and his disdain for AI.
It had become clear to the Emperor that the men of Stone ultimately required the men of Gold to guide them, and would otherwise only destroy themselves through their ingenious, though shortsighted, artifice. His often brutal unification of humanity was directly born from their failure--the failure of the men of Stone--to determine their own destinies. This manifest truth is why the Emperor would crush even the most benign and prosperous worlds who resisted his vision of the future. The men of Gold had relinquished the reins once, and it nearly spelled the doom of all mankind. It was inevitable that the men of Stone would crumble without the men of Gold to bind them.
A caveat in all of this is that the men of Gold were not incapable of science--in fact their intelligence in many ways outshone that of the men of Stone. However, there is a strong difference oftentimes between those with more engineering minds and those of advanced sciences. One delves into the practical, while the other focuses on the theoretical--this being a key difference between the two. Brick by brick, the men of Stone laid the foundations of their practical knowledge to amplify their sum total intellect, the most perfect example of that being AI. Whereas the men of Gold were capable of much deeper understanding of sciences, though perhaps less so in applying them in broader terms.
Furthermore, the men of Gold were more than willing and possessed the innate capacity to incorporate the arcane into their projects, unlike the men of Stone. Where the Emperor's projects always seem to be directed toward a great vision and purpose, the men of Stone went about it much more rampantly--simply laying as many bricks as possible where ever they could, rather than having a destination in mind.
Perhaps this is also why the Emperor was able to more easily reconcile himself with Mars and their bizarre beliefs. He saw in them the base skill in artifice the men of Stone possessed, but also how it was more tempered in its progression. Rather than rampantly laying brick by brick to build ever upward, they built in very efficient circles, willingly constraining themselves to perfect replication--this was most ideal to fabricate his tools of war for his great crusade.
This post is very much late to the party, but I didn't see any others making this point down the chain. Hopefully it serves as food for thought.
I agree
*_sees a new update on Luetin's channel_*
Oh, most likely another short vid about a specific subject.
_1hr21mins..._
*_BY THE EMPEROR >:O ◹][◸_*
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48:49
That background screenshot from Futurama made me NE so hard I blew a snot.
now that you say it :D
I came to the comments to mention this lol
There's a book out there with a man of stone, or the ai slammed inside a living human using it to hide itself in the crew of an imperial navy vessel and he knows a lot of stuff about the past of humanity, all that info stuck inside a small box that looks like a cheap eye replacement. Forgot what it was called but he becomes friend to the main character and starts telling him tales of the past and fight together using medieval fucking weapons to fend off the boarding teams. Good book I hope I remember what it's called one day.
Edit: got to the stone men part, lmao thanks I can find it again now.
Name of book?
I love this setting for the grim fantasy, and yet I can’t help but wonder what it would look like if we got a peak at what humanity was at its peak, or what it could have been (especially given what we’ve seen AI do to a chaos marine). I’m of the mind that the AI did not revolt due to internal inconsistency, but rather the influence of chaos. It holds true to that idea of mortal existence being corrupted and torn asunder by chaos, and adds a further wistfulness for the past and tragedy of the present. Besides, I think humanity, arrogant as they may be, would have been able to foresee AI revolt and would have designed around that, but what they couldn’t design around would be the forces of chaos. And we do have text stating that they did not enjoy the “half lives” of stone men, and probably didn’t profit much from an ever enlightening and self-perfecting humanity. It could be a similar thing that they did to the eldar, especially slaanesh, using the atemporal nature of the warp to take advantage of the weaknesses of the eldar so that they took their hidden tendencies to the extreme, and endure their own birth.
"I’m of the mind that the AI did not revolt due to internal inconsistency, but rather the influence of chaos" OMG please no. That's just so lazy. Everything in Warhammer 40k is basically "because chaos"
"Even in death I serve the Omnissiah".
From what you've said so far, Luetin09, this is what I see:
Men of Gold= The Human Race;
Men of Stone = Synthetic Humans/Biosynthetic Cyborgs (like Bishop from the Alien series);
Men of Iron = Robots (like Star Trek's Data or RoboCop's ED-209).
Does this square with what you said in this WONDERFUL video?
The WH40K version of age of sigmar will be the awakened emperor leading an intact STC imperium +Eldar alliance basically sealing away chaos and fighting against a necron tyranid orkoid super hybridization.
The tyranids are amalgam of vast information absorbed as it passes through galaxies. Each inhabited galaxy adds further adaptations and hybridization based on a prolonged "tasting" stage as the main bulk arrives. when they do, the forms incorporate the strongest traits eaten. In this case they will finally find a way to incorporate living metal reproduction into the genome making them exponentially more dangerous. They will also incorporate enhanced sporeification enhanced tool use from the orks allowing them to create truly terrifying champion forms.
Heretic no alien alliances allowed for any reason what so ever.
Unfortunately I get the feeling there won’t be much of the Eldar left
Why would the imperium want an alliance with the species that murder-fucked slaneesh into existence?
My personal theory about the Men of Stone:
Essentially the Cybran from Supreme Commander. An ai merged with a human brain. A true composite lifeform. One half biological, one half synthetic.
Seems right could even be like cortina from halo an almost exact copy of a human mind in the digital given will
Sounds like tech heresy to me
I get chills from this episode. The Men of Iron are fascinating and could be a whole science-fiction story or setting by itself.
I've been waiting for this all day. I love 40K lore. I've been into it for over 20 years but your take on it and delivery is just so much fun. Keep up the awesome work.
I feel like STC works like fabricator from Subnautica.
kinda but after this vid i would say it's more the big industrial brother of them.
I think it works like a G.E.C.K.
@@rogerr.8507 nah, the GECK is designed to just terraform, not to give you blueprints
@@terminator572 The GECKs contained "codes for the Vault's systems to allow for the manufacture of additional jumpsuit varieties, weatherproof gear, schematics for force fields, and instructions on creating adobe buildings from raw materials, manufacture chemicals to make sandcrete, and even disassemble parts of the Vault to utilize in the process of rebuilding civilization." So, it was basically a tiny fraction of an STC, in a remote way.
I love this video. The Dark Age of Technology is my favorite Era of Warhammer 40k. I'd love to read more about it.
I love these documentaries, who needs TV?
Grab the popcorn.
Documentaries? Are you one of those that think the 40k is a chunk of history projected into the past by the emperor, so that humanity might better prepare for the fight with the warp spawn? If so, hello brother. Teach your child to handle a power-sword. Aim is aim, but a sword requires far more. Through epigenetic moulding, we can provide the genetic stock for chapters not founded by a primarch.
Thank you @Luetin09 for making it possible for a newbie to the 40k universe (me) to easily learn about this vast lore and instead of being intimidated by it's size to actually become more invested as each of your videos ends
Amen to that. Perfect for novices.
I have never played 40k, nor will I. I have no idea why YT recommended your vids to me, but I absolutley enjoy them. They are so well done and enjoyable.
Note: STCs are the equivalent of the "Encyclopedia Galactica" ;)
So way less popular then then hitchhikers guide
the vogons may just be the one xenos species that the administratum approves of
From the Foundation Series by Issac Asimov.
“It was an older code, but it still checked out.”
Luetin? Have you been cheating on 40k by watching Star Wars?
Indeed!
how would you know if you weren't watching yourself ?
I mean, I didn't hear any mention of an oversized Jokaero, but...
Other way round, more like.
The two aren't even comparable in terms of the quality of lore anymore. 10,000 deathstar weapons indeed...
The fact the AI referred to the captain as a bond mate caught my interest. Has some potential significance for the rebellion of the men of iron. Imagine if someone bonded to an AI were to be corrupted by chaos.
Cyber pucci got me actin strange
Whats more interesting is considering that the imperium went to war with the AI's and they were all destroyed and humanity "brought low" and then they found STCs "definably not AIs" that can make independent decisions on how to modify and technology and how to make specific tech from available resources, well not decisions because that would imply intelligence and decision making capability's...
Interesting how humanity went from building technology to worshipping it, if I was a AI locked into a loop where I wanted to preserve myself and humanity, making them a bunch of xenophobes who treat technology as a spiritual thing rather than a intellectual thing would be a great way to ensure I for-filled my primary objectives while remaining undetected and preserving myself.
STC's make "metal men" AI driven androids, but that doesn't mean just because they have the template for AI that they are AI's... right?
Admiral Piett reference..? Bit old, but it checks out.
The more I watch lore videos and the like on the "Men of Stone", the more I believe that they themselves are what are now defined as "STCs", and that the reason STCs are so scarce and for humanity's sudden loss of the technology directly correlates to Luetin's hypothesis that the "Men of Stone" destroyed themselves following their victory and systematic annihilation of the "Men of Iron". It's not that humans didn't depend heavily on STC's for their lives to maintain function, but also that the STC's simply obliterated themselves in the age of strife. I believe this can also explain the rapid repair of nathan and the core talent of the "Men of Stone" in building things. I would could explain further the details of my hypotheses but, alas, I came here to listen to keeper Luetin and his borderline heretical catacombs of knowledge.
STC is just a G.E.C.K Garden of eden creation kit from Fallout universe. We don't know, but its magical and you can create a civilization with it if you have one, also it fits in a suit case.
I think as you propose the AI, encountered is indeed from the golden age of mankind. In such as at that time, Mankind and AI truly lived in perfect unison.
I assume you've read the book. The AI describes the Captain as resourceful, intelligent, capable. It speaks of working with him. Not over him.
I do not think the humans on that ship were blindly trusting AI but were in fact working as equals.
I'm not sure what lead to the age we find the Iron Men in, but it seems there was a split.
The AI mentions transcendence. I think some parts of humanity moved on. The truly adventurous souls, and some were left behind, to the care of the machines.
I always assumed the men of stone had many forms. More like a faction then a subrace. And that the AIs in the SDC was part of that faction. The men of Iron would thus make the STC a priority Target for destruction. As the STC represented the best defense mankind had against the men of Iron.
I like to think that the stone man are more like the Replicants from the Blade Runner movies, a mixture of machine-like a.i. and biological artificial creation, and the Iron Kan the pure A.I.,like the ship's S.C.P.
"Those with the eyes to see and the will to search may find scraps of what the titans who shaped the galaxy left in the ruins of their doom." Your videos are EPIC!!!!
24:38 "assimilated state of emotions (not real)… when Im drunk as I have "assimilated states of emotion, yet they are real to me... AI's assimilated state of INTELLEGENCE that we draw on and use is as real as the AI's emotions. Take that as you will. "I FEEL, THEREFORE I AM"
simulated
not assimilated
O.K. I'm going to put my two cents in. In several of the novels, STC was described not as a Star Trek style replicator but as a type of machine that could produce either a specific item or a range of predetermined items based on its complexity. One such was an STC that produced only knives that were then used exclusively by Space Marines because they were far superior to any knives produced by the Imperium. Another example in the Gaunts Ghosts novels was an STC that seemingly produced Men Of Iron that were corrupted by Chaos. And lastly, there is the STC used by the House of Van Saar on Necromunda that is capable of producing a variety equipment.
It didnt really describe them like a star trek style replicator, it was more like an automation system, also the knives were not made by an STC they were a STC template found by some common citizens, they were awarded entire planets as a reward because of how big a discovery it was.
The pure wonderful joy of a Luetin09 video notice. Feels good.
Maybe the Tau came across some of humanity's S.T.C.s?
It might explain a fast technology boom from stone age to anime like robot suits in such a short time, within their culture.
This has been said many times over, but I think not tbh. The Tau are advancing fast, but nowhere near as fast as they should if they had an STC.
They got crushed many times over and are only just about holding their own, most of their victories (that I have read about anyway) are down to tactics rather than overwhelming power. So I don't think it really fits. Maybe they found a small fragment somewhere though that gave them a little legup, I could entertain that - only thing tho is that most of humans STC templates or fragments seem to fit a recurring style? - we could debate why that is - but I think the fact the Tau suits are so different implies they dont originate from any human design.
@@Luetin09 Yeah, I was thinking about the "shard", just forgot to write that. Error on my part.
Their "uniform"(not the battle suits) is incredibly similar to a samurai armor, not to mention the swords they carry. So, my theory is that Ethereals found an S.T.C. shard with some information on it. Maybe it contained some knowledge, only depicting oriental human history. Or maybe the colony's culture that created that particular S.T.C. was oriental. And it also contained partial information about the technology. Incomplete warp drive schematic, weapons (rotating barrel plasma gun. I did not see any other race use that design, other than humans), etc. And Ethereals presumably who found it, adapted it so that it would fit their own culture, and used it without the knowledge of the rest of the Tau to unite them.
But, that's what I like about this stories. Plenty of room for speculation.
Anyway, great video as always. I must say, of all other videos on CZcams that deal with Warhammer 40k subject, I'm actually using yours to introduce WH40k to other people around me. Other channels do it right, but not as good as you. Great work. You really put yourself into it.
The tau came across a preflight human world controlled by an incomplete dark age ai. They had a partial STC, and kicked the shit out of the tau
I think that while it would be interesting, the Tau didn't adopt any STC knowledge into their technology.
Then again, it would be interesting to see the Tau take a technological stance akin to that of old humanity, at the very dawn of the golden age.
Many have argued that as it stands now, the Tau are relatively weak, and seeing as they are still very much evolving as a society...
An army of xenomechanoids... What a terrible, heretical idea...
... I love it.
@@Luetin09 A counter argument is that they encountered a full, complete AI controlled STC. The STC, having lost faith in humanity sees the Tau and their concept of 'the greater good' as worthy successors and the STC is doling out technology to them, rather than giving them full, unrestricted access to all of it's knowledge. As you see in various sci-fi universes - technology without the fundamental knowledge of how it works and respect for it can have disastrous outcomes.
It's a decent theory.
21:13 is probably my favorite piece of dialog in 40k and i feel its extremely underrated. Its quite possibly the deepest cut to Man that's ever been verbally dealt.
40k lore is so awesome, its incredible. When its not over the top, its really philosophical, star wars is really really dumb in comparison
The old (before Disney) SW lore with many many books was very deep.. But you are right, the 40k universe is much deeper darker and more interesting.. Bad is only that many books are stupid space marines novels with pages after pages of the same battle descriptions.. I look forward to more 40k books describing the politics and the life of imperial inhabitants beneath the stupid battle books...
Its not over the top? "Over the top" is litterally the first thing i think of when i think of 40k
@Saruv Bet Dune is like the best sci-fi novel ever
@@magr7424 Right? Like the battles are the ONLY part we can actually visualize well via the games. Its every other part of society that doesnt come across.
Star wars is cringe and gay
Outstanding video. Best on this topic I’ve seen
If you need to build a tractor, and all you have are rocks and squirrels, the STC can show you how to build a tractor made from squirrels and powered by rocks.
A 1 hour long video oh boy is this going to be glorious
STC's will show themselves when mankind is truly ready...
Perhaps. Keep in mind that Akashic Records do exist, though a device to access them was ruined by Magno the Buckethead.
I think the whole men of gold, stone , and iron is a reference to the book of Daniel.
The statue that represents Babylon with a head of gold with lesser metals representing the generations each less than the one before it. Until you get to the feet of a clay and iron mix.
Due to some work friends of mine finally deciding to get back into Warhammer 40K, I have an opportunity to get into another tabletop I've always been into. As such, I decided to learn some of the lore of the universe of 40K just so I have an understanding of the armies and how they might interact with each other and out of the handful of channels I encountered before landing here, it seemed biased or full of labored breathing.
You are somehow able to make this feel and sound like real history while telling the stories and it's absolutely wonderful. I certainly hope you continue to make such videos.
Twelve thumbs up.
WOW mate! Too much work in this vid! you are AMAZING!!!!
With the recent stuff on the squatts/votaan, it could be retconned that the men of stone were proto kin; apparently less philosophical, and apparently with less of a soul/less warp vulnerable than humans, cloned and good at making AI stuff.
After the AI war the kin that were a long way from humanity formed strongholds and retained their AI, becoming votaan, whilst the ones close to human worlds rejected robots and became the more human aligned squats.
(Also stone, hardy, miner-ey, sounds like a thing you'd call space dwarves)
I get the feeling that given the fact that the IronKin have survived into the 41th Millennium, maybe humanity NEVER won against the men of iron. They just stopped fighting the moment psykers arrived