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0:00 Intro
1:05 The Only Way?
14:04 Imperial Gothic
24:41 Enduring Questions
33:39 Viable Alternatives
34:49 Abandon the Emperor?
45:36 What can be achieved
59:45 Subtle Influence
1:07:06 Grim Dark Reality
1:13:35 Outro
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Its been a very long time since we returned to think about the Emperor - As always if you enjoyed please do remember to 👍👍 LIKE the content and tell me your thoughts here. Apologies for the repetition of the Corax reference, but it was relevant. Hope you enjoy the musing possibilities of a galaxy with less Emperor in it.
thx man
Always good to see you upload! Lots of love from The Netherlands!
I am very much looking forward to this.
I always love to hear your thoughts on the Emperor.
Personally the god emperor has always been one of the least interesting parts of warhammer
I'm starting to think leutin is on the side of chaos with all this heresy being sowed
I'm sorry what's that? I can't hear you over moving to this place called Badab, heard it's got real growth potential.
Starting? Ive already contacted the inquisition🫡
You guys are the best. I bet it lightens his day to read such comments
We should just exterminatus the planet he is on, and call it a day.
The emperor is on the side of Chaos. Even
When he is fully manifested in the Warp. He will extinguish most of humanity like slaanesh did to the Eldar
It's been more than 7 years since the first video about Emperor of Man was released.
Thank you for uploading yet another part.
I'm pooping right now
@@ac833dump gang right here.
Aren't we all?
@@ac833 Congratulations, I hope you took your pants off first
@@Thesassyiscuteno, i'm a piece of shit. That's something different
The Emperor reminds me of a line from a Harry Potter book. Dumbledoor describes himself as smarter than most, and thus makes correspondingly bigger mistakes.
Harry Potter? WITCHCRAFT!!
The inclusion of 1984 as an analogous substrate was double plus good.
ima be fifty by the time this Emperor series wraps up. great work as always
Imagine dying without knowing the end
Worth everything. Patience is a virtue
I was 15 during Rogue Trader. I'm 55 now.
I feel personally attacked ... 😉
"It's been more than thirty years since the Wolf and the Winter Cold..."
More glorious heresy from the loremaster!
im surprised the inquisition hasn't stopped this man
he has made 5 videos and multiple addendums about big E
If enough people watch his lore do you reckon we could give birth to a new chaos god?
Lore for the Lore god!
HERESY? GLORIOUS???!!!!
@@haylux8473my exactly thought.this commenter should be handed to the inquisition immediately.
The best kind of heresy.
Yeah Guilliman's meeting with the Emperor is amazing for showing how he projected his presence back when he was fully in control of his faculties.
The problem with immortality is, that despite learning the lessons to prevent future mistakes, is that you start to care less and less over time about most of it all anyway. To know too much is type of suffering in itself.
The Burden of knowledge.
No one actually knows if a truly immortal person would care less and less. There haven't exactly been any immortal people around to ask. It's a narrative assumption made to make immortals seem alien to regular people.
@@KalicerPoor fictional immortals, lacking the one unifying thing across humanity and thereby being alienated
@@Kalicer We are going by the principles of getting desensitized and what happened with regimes in the history.
First brutal political murder was explosion of shock, 226th was like ok, who cares.
Imagine if you live thousands of years, except for literal who cares of anything that could happen, you have seen like dozens of generations of people, which means that in 100 years everyone alive today is going to be completely gone.
Given that if you take the fact that everyone that exists today will be dead, does it really matter how many people your plans killed if you get to the end result? Like what is the difference between thousand deaths and billion if everyone today will be dead when the plan is finished?
@@DarkRoosterTHN Again, we don't know what could happen. You just sort of decided that's what would happen, you've decided a personality trait of a person that can't exist.
As a Tech Priest of the Adeptus Mechanicus, Luiten’s “theories” cause me to give in to the feeling of concern. I must discuss this with my Dominas at once
I call dibs on his toaster
Techpriest skittering away with toaster and damaged STC.
Do you possess an air fryer?
@@SenseiLlama Um nooo totally Don't have a Air fryer hidden in the magos room. Panic Skittering insues
I was thinking this morning when I got up, “ya know, I haven’t watched any WH lore videos in forever it seems..I hope the lore master is ok” then BOOM. 1 hour on the Emperor?
All hail the Lore master.
All Hail the Algo God.
praise algo
Hersey
All hail ALGO
A L L H A I L ! !
have you learned nothing?!
...one does not simply praise/pray-to the AI !
comeone guys we have been over this 😄
I've said it before: Big E's actions make the most sense in the context of someone completely blindsided by events and madly scrambling to keep up.
He was content to let things sort themselves up until he suddenly exploded into a frenzy of activity, conquering Earth with troops he obviously threw together from spare parts at the last minute. If it'd been his plan to launch the unification wars when he did, wouldn't he have prepared far better?
My guess is that something about the Fall of the Eldar fundamentally changed all the calculations he'd been relying on.
If he made a pact with the Dark Gods at Molech...it would only have been _three_ of them, wouldn't it? Slaanesh was still dormant at the time and _would not be bound by whatever agreement Emps had made._
I suspect the pact was one of mutual non-interference. Big E agreed to leave the Ruinous Powers to play their games unbothered in return for them not interfering directly in the development of humanity.
But Slaanesh wasn't bound by it. To fight off the influence of Slaanesh, the Emperor had to break the pact with the other three. And that meant everything he'd tried to avoid was back on the table.
This sounds so plausible. Love it.
Shiiit, that's a good point. Emps made the pact during the Dark Age of Technology, and the birth of Slaanesh was a few thousand years later.
Honestly I may end up incorporating this into my own thoughts on why he seemed to be in such a rush. Fuck, dude, that's smart.
Slaanesh existed retroactively and so would still have been at Molech
Warp time is not real time. Slaneesh birth in Warp time meant she had always existed in all of time.
I love the theory and I'd kind of like that idea but sadly the Lore counters it.
The birth of Slaanesh is interesting in regard to time. Essentially, instead of it being a fixed point in the timeline that means the Gods exist from that point onward think of it as a drop on the timeline that extends/ripples forward and backward and touches everything, past present and future. Slaanesh was created by the Eldar at some point which means Slaanesh has always been one of the Chaos Gods regardless of the point you access it at.
I think the Kindreds of the Leagues of Votann is a good(ish) example of what humanity could have been without the decay of the Imperium. While not the "Paragons of Humanity" they can survive without being "crushed" under the Great Crusade. Much like the "Interex" they too are aware and opposed to Chaos and very advanced in technology. (With, perhaps, the exception of those stuck on Necromunda.)
The saddest part is theyare still a victim to the superstition that plagues all other human factions, their constant feeding of their kin into the computers has slowed them (the computers) to an enormous degree and eventually may make all their technological marvels inaccessible
@@bookkeeper1995I mean its not just the feeding them, I thought it was also because the Leagues don't know how to properly maintain their AI cores and stuff like that, so over the thousands of years the processing power of the AI has diminished
its interesting to assume there are more advance human splittered civilizations survive into m41. and proves that humanity is truly splintered to the point great crusade is lightning success.
that rolls back to emperor himself. he has millenniums to prepare for such splinter
@@bookkeeper1995I think the question there is what the need of that practice is, the Kin didn't make the Votann after all. That would however loop to the question what the original purpose of the Votann actually was.
My personal theory is that the Kin and Votann were made by the Men of Gold with a dual purpose, mine and study the galactic core.
That data was probably supposed to be send back to the Men of Gold but with the collapse that became impossible.
So then the Votann would be stuck with their current issue, programmed to collect and store data, unable to delete anything, but nobody to send it to anymore to clear up space.
Would seem honestly fitting for 40k no?
Something that had a purpose but now reduced to a (almost) religious ritual.
@@visitingforgefather5997 I love that concept. They had the knowledge and tech to maintain themselves but didn't trust the humans they were now stuck with to conserve them so instead they create an alternative to utilize the dead to "advance" there mainframe but due to the unforseen degradation that later occurs the system slowly forgets all that knowledge and the religious system it sets up is all that it and the people are capable of.
The picture around 2:00 really gives of a good visualization about size comparrison between human, astartes and primarchs without being exaggerrated imo.
TYSM for highlighting this for a closer look
And you forgot cats 👀
I thought that was the pretty accepted way we all thought of them, with a tall fit military man coming up to the elbows/nipples of a marine and a marine coming up to the navel/elbows of an "average" primarch.
Puts average marines at about 8ft tall and average primarchs at around 12ft.
That's absolutely massive on both counts.
A large primarch is like a car stood up on its front grill and started walking around, smashing through walls but probably weighs more as it's not full of empty space.
Every few years I go back into 40k lore and I always start by re-watching your series on the emperor. For me it’s a great introduction into the universe, and a great way to remember what it’s about. I got back into it last month and I’ve been religiously watching your videos every night and this time I’m even thinking about buying a miniature piece for decoration.
Anyways, happy to see you’re expanding this series.
Cheers from LSC
Religiously?! Yes inquisitor. This man here.
The emperor is absolutely a warlord. I think there's a small bit to do with helping humanity, but he's just got so much unknown about him.
Luetion is the only channel that goes so deep into 40k as a whole that I start questioning, what I know about the verse. Love this fact about the channel and weight of depth you put in all topics.
'The problem with being all-powerful and all-knowing, is that you cannot be both at the same time. - The Emperor talking to Kai in The Outcast Dead.
Something you didn't consider and is maybe food for thought: another reason why the emperor was so urgent (bordering on sloppy) in carrying out the great crusade could be because he feared the rise of another human empire to rival his own, so he wanted to be first out of the gate and become dominant in the galaxy before any other human empires could pop up and become too big and powerful for the burgeoning Imperium to deal with
Or he was set on a timer by the pact he signed with the Chaos Gods on that one planet he traveled to, something like "you get tools, and give your life to us in this event", and then he cheated death with the golden toilet.
Cool idea,
But in the time leading up to thr Heresy, its mentioned many times that they have pretty muxh won and were just cleaning up the mess.
It even gets many Astartes wonderinf what they were going to do when there was peace, even Dorn and Sigismund chiming in with Lokhan.
@@GNOMgamingMolech.
@@adrienwatson2179 I was more talking about the earlier parts of the crusade, for instance accelerating production of space marines even though it introduced genetic problems. It also could help to explain why he was often so quick to be brutal (e.g. massacring civilian militias with the thunder warriors when they were already broken and fleeing) despite claiming to be enlightened and the saviour of humanity
@@benshepherd2076 Ahh, understood.
Isnt weird that the Unification wars lasted centuries?
Sure, Terra was a mess and his enemies were absolute monsters, but damn
Your Emperor of Man series is what got me into Warhammer, so I'm really really thankful for your work
My best guess is the Emperor is basically doing the same thing as "leto's golden path" in Dune, that's about the best I can conceive.
Except Leto actually succeeded
Maybe he is not just a man but all men , all the people that ever lived , a true avatar of mankind . The coalescence of all humanity that was , is and ever be , all reflected in the timeless warp and refracted back into one point , one being .
Iiiiiiinteresting. This would mean that the sacrificing of psykers to the Emperor, and the empowerment of the Emperor through the worship by humanity, are a type of feedback loop.
This is genuinely the most philosophically dense reason for his existence, and the most well conceived from a writers standpoint, and I very much so wish for it to be the case, if ever explained... though I don't actually wish for that either.
@@KumieZoomiegreat point and an interesting writing prompt in itself :)
This sounds really likely considering that the emperor is inspired by leto 2 the sandworm emperor from dune. I guess the plan of the emperor of mankind could be compared to the golden path.
In my opinion this also explain his continuous duality , as duality is a characteristic of humanity itself , his desire to dominate , create , eliminate all xenos in order to become the dominant species , and most of all his fall , as a humanity did so many times . And that feeling of uneasiness that some people feel in his presence , that ghostly visage that some see , it might be their own reflection , for what is more unsettling than looking into the eternal abyss and see themselves looking back at them, and not understanding what they see . .
The Imperium has such a civilization right in their backyard. The Mechanicus is essentially a stand alone entity with armies, a different ideology, and military power. If Mars went to war with Terra, Terra would have a hard time.
Greetings to the best Warhammer content creator on youtube. Today while returning from a particularly difficult business trip, I realized somewhere on the highway while listening to this video that it was actually you who brought me to Warhammer 40k and who has kept me company for many years. I heard the first Emperor video many years ago... I'll never forget watching that first video and just listening in amazement to that haunting voice that took me somewhere far away, far away from my fears and anxieties, far away from my everyday worries and problems. It was powerful and I will never forget it. Since then, Warhammer has held a special place in my heart and despite or because of its dark nature, it has accompanied me through the darkest times of my life. All hail to Luetin!
In the grim dark future there is only the 9 to 5 and the commute
7 years and 5 episodes of absolutely glorious heresy of the highest order!!
Thank you!!
You sir are a master at your work. Just know I'll be listening through the whole series again. I'm able to learn a bunch from the videos you make!
It’s greatly appreciated
In my opinion you are the voice of 40k lore ! Another incredibly in depth video! Thank you!
Imagine a version of 40k with Terra, Technocracy, Interex, and Voltan as rival human empires with unique armies. Choosing Terra could allow you to field space marines, and the others give their forces
The idea that the Emperor really is a kind of "Palpatine turned up to 11", orchestrating the downfall of ancient humanity to his own gain or design, has always struck a chord with me.
He'd be like Space Sauron, the loyalist Primarchs like the Nazgul (replace fading into the unseen world with depression), and humanity, his orcs.
Palps did nothing wrong
@@nickcarroll8565 Except father Rey.
@@nickcarroll8565 He had to unite the failing Old Republic and set up a militaristic society to prepare for the invasion of the Yuuzang Vong.
I think many people overlook that His whole purpose is to preserve Humanity. That is his sole motivation. He doesn't need to preserve quadrillions of humans. He just needs to ensure the survival of what, like, 20,000? A breeding population? His plan, at it's bare bones and disregarding how much he knew and whatnot, is pretty straightforward. 1) there are things that are not Humans; 2) these things pose a potential threat to Humans; 3) I need to produce a force that can eliminate these things; and 4) the cost in Human lives to accomplish my goal is immaterial if it, ultimately, succeeds.
That is why I still think He was the one who actually called the Tyranids into the Galaxy to wipe all other life out while he brought enough of Humanity into the Webway to eliminate any other factions and slam the door behind Him.
The last point is just my own personal silliness but the dude doesn't give a fuck about humans, just Humanity. He is basically playing Lemmings.
This is a legendary series. Thank you for continuing Mr Luetin
You’ve always been the bridge when it comes to warhammer 40k lore, when it comes down to your lore-telling, impact or otherwise. I can count on you to reassure me those 1+hour CZcams vids never go to waste. When it comes to storytelling, you carry more than most, and we as an audience is most welcome to someone so knowledgeable in the lore to project a story as well as yourself.
You know I think some of the feedback you get about your "Emperor-bothering" may have a lot to do with fan and writer eras. At some point after too many of the original creators of 40k were gone the origin and inspiration of so many of these ideas went along with them. It's entirely possible what was to be no longer will be and that fact alone really adds to Lutein's take on how to view the 40k landscape. They are fragments, ideas, and seldom is the truth as solid as we might wish it were.
40k started in an era where 2000 AD and British Comics were at a real zenith. Alan Moore comes out of this era as more famous over here in the US. At the same time, Clive Barker is called the "future of horror" by Stephen King and his concepts in the Hellbound Heart/Hellraiser are resonating in the horror sphere. Horror itself is becoming more experimental as box office success isn't as necessary thanks to the VHS. At this same point in time Reagan and Thatcher were giving us reasons to think about the dangers of religion and the "only I can fix it" mentality of authoritarianism. Thrash is hitting a stride outside of the mainstream of glam metal, industrial and experimental electronica are on the rise (and rap here in the US) turning anti-authoritarian thought into pure emotion.
Some see Star Wars as having a large influence on 40k, but I'd argue not as much as it's frequently stated. Warhammer 40k isn't as derivative of Star Wars as it very much is DUNE. Star Wars, while throwing out some cool ideas scooped up by Warhammer, isn't based in Herbert's kind of science-fiction as it is Tokein, Flash Gordon, and American comics of the late 60s through 70s. That is to say, Star Wars was as able as any science fiction could be at the time in escaping Herbert's influence (Fantasy and Tolkein are parallels to this).
Now the reason I mention Dune specifically and want to distance 40k and Star Wars will be evident for the younger among you. I'm not a fan of Herbert's writing personally, but there were interesting ideas in his works and a lot of them influence 40k in a bold and underlined sort of way. If you've read any Dune and you DON'T want to question what the Emperor might be up to you truly haven't considered all the options. Or perhaps because of your own era of sci fi and entertainment you lack some of the context. There's much to enjoy exploring entire eras around the creation of a thing where it's influences can be laid bare. They can inspire some wonderful thought.
Let me throw out a couple quasi-B movies from the same era people might get a kick out of: Lifeforce and Split-Second. American-British projects with some similar sci-fi meets sinister magic vibes. The same sort of sandbox the 40k crew was playing around in. Mind the R rating though, kids, especially an 80s R rating. I watched both of these recently as I was refamiliarizing myself with this specific era of influences a bit.
Why write all this here? I like writing and sharing, though length of it is surely inspired by enjoying a thinking journey or two with Lutein.
The Emperor as a Golden Age AI is an awesome hypothesis.
My theory he is Conner McCloud and Highlander is his origin.
I like the idea of him being a literal "weapon from the dark age that's gone rogue" like, he was a synthetic human designed by Malcador.
That wouldn’t make sense since it’s practically engrained he’s a pysker and has supernatural abilities stuff a robot could never do
@@aslysa2277 I don't think it is at all certain that a robot could not be a psyker in 40k. For example, psi-titans, Geller fields and the astronomicon are machines that, though they still need humans to control/power them, clearly interact with psychic power. So clearly machines can do psyker stuff, it's not a flesh-only thing. This is also evident in Chaos being able to corrupt machines (and their machine spirits) without any organic parts. You do seem to need a "soul" to power psyker powers (which is why the Tau and Necrons don't have any psykers for example), but a true intelligent AI is already halfway there.
It's not all that far-fetched that Golden Age humanity at the height of their power would have managed to make an AI with a "perfect" synthetic soul, one strong enough to be the most powerful psyker ever seen. This would explain several things, like why the Emperor is so much stronger than anything else in the setting, why he is so subtly disturbing to people close enough to him and why he has such ruthless disregard for human lives (being an artificial superweapon has to be rather alienating).
@@wanderhillen2435 How does a truly intelligent AI have more of a soul than Tau or Necrons? Both are themselves true sapients, so its obvious that Intelligence on its own is not indicative of the kind of soul that registers to the beings of Chaos. If that were the case there would be Tau and Necron Psykers.
So given that it is obvious that intelligence alone is not what determines the strength of the soul in the 40K universe, it logically has to be something else. What makes you so sure that Ai can truly be corrupted by Chaos, or that all Ai can? Tau AI for example appear to be immune thus far.
babe wake up new hour long Luetin video dropped
Thanks Luetin for your amazing work. So many days working and nights playing games (and also to fall asleep) you absolutely deliver everytime. I love to listen to your work and voice. So good!
Thanks to you and some others I am actually hooked for some years now with Warhammer40K, bought myself some books too (HH and dark Imperium collection). Fantastic books.
Thanks you again for your work and you deserve all the love you get for it 😊
Was never into 40k and honestly dont remeber how it happend, but one day I watched the very first of this series and have binged everything ever since. Bravo sir!
It was this series that got me in to 40k lore. Popped up on my feed one day and the rest is history.
SO INSANELY PUMPED FOR PT5!! These are my favorite series you’ve done and has literally cured my insomnia - rocks me to sleep nearly every night. I’ve prob listened through them hundreds of times, fully awake for the first few times ofc lol
I do that as well his videos get a lot of replay value from me obviously as you say I watch them fully awake and take it all in but when I go to bed I'll stick on his older videos and drift off to sweet dreams of our dystopian future it's just nice escapism for my tired brain.
This!!!
Dan Carlin's hardcore history....
maybe it's your thing maybe it's not but it's top tier like this, and every single person should find out
@@apokatastasian2831 I'll give them a look when I have some time
@@apokatastasian2831 also this!!!
Started this whole series again yesterday after seeing the release and just got to this one today. You sounded so much younger in the first one Loremaster!
It's been a while huh? Thanks for all the hard work!
This has been my favourite series of the channel. Each video is like getting a huge present of darkness
Thank you, Luetin, for all these years of amazing content. Your vods have helped me a lot through some tough chapters in my life.
Another lore bomb for me to power through work to. Thanks again, love your content! ❤
My favorite videos of yours are the ones getting into the dark age of technology. It is definitely one of my favorite aspects of the lore! Thanks for the years of great content!
Working my way though The Death and The End vol 1 atm. Finally after 20 years of being into the lore and having this myth in the background of it all I can't put the book down. The parts with Malcador are probably my fav and he is a perfect individual to shed light on the Emperor being his closest friend.
I think - has been thinking for some time too - that The Emperor is an ultimate Android, the peak of Sygilite Order's achievement - a fusion of an STC and a perpetual. He was but a man when Malcador found him. Then, he became much more. And he used available materials and resources to create his Imperium.
The Emperor of Mankind series on here is what really got me into your channel and Warhammer in general. Really excited for this one Luetin! Keep up the great work! Currently building new models to play 10th edition while listening to this. Cheers!
Once again, i would like to thank you, luetin, for making these videos. Your content to me is both stress relief and a means to help me get through my work day. Once again, thank you very much.
I have a library full of games, just read through the entire Horus Hersey, and spend most of my time on CZcams watching 40k videos. It all started during covid when I saw the first of these videos. Thank you so much for getting people like me into Warhammer 40k!
Only in death, does duty end.
I really doubt GW has the courage to remove the Emperor of Mankind but this video makes this option really interesting
At first I found 5 euro on the street, then 1 euro in the shopping cart and NOW YOU RELEASED A NEW EMPEROR VIDEO
should've played lotto its my lucky day😊
Definitely should!!!
Holy hell what an amazing installment to this series!! Well done and Thank you for once again delivering the most incredible content on 40k around!
Have been waiting for continuation of this series forever. This is fantastic. You're the reason I enjoy 40K now Luetin. Thank you!!
Man coming home from work completely drained and seeing a new lore drop from my favourite channel series was just too perfect to unwind and let my thoughts wander. Time for a BIG cup of tea. Cheers.
And like the Emperor, our most holy Luetin floats down from the CZcams heavens to enlighten the masses of the ultimate truth
read it first as "unlike the Emperor"
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I've been waiting for this one! For my vote, for my listening, this series is where the channel really shines. The Emperor is maybe the most inscrutable part of the lore and distilling it all down is incredibly interesting to me.
*(I enjoy all the videos, please don't get me wrong. This one just really grabs me) :)
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When you said , “ some believe that the emperors soul left his husk long ago, leaving only enough to convert psykers into enough power to keep the lights on in the astronomicon and keep the webway door shut” this had me thinking on that idea, which is entirely plausible and I think, could be a great narrative tool going forward if they ever wanted to bring Him back. The star child, materializes into either the materium directly from the maledictum, or directly on terra after the golden throne fails and enters through the web way, and is encountered by someone from the imperium, and some sort of miscommunication occurs, people are killed and it’s relayed back that some new threat has appeared and that he is headed toward terra. Eventually he reaches terra and when all believe hope is lost when it trashes the golden throne, we pan toward a ship in the warp on an navigator, and by some astonishment the astronomicon is still on. instead of the astronomicon going dark, it isn’t, but somehow the corpse of the emperor fused with the soul begins growing back skin muscle etc and becomes whole.
My God, this series is still going?
Amazing!
Until the Emperor rises from his throne and takes a pee.
@@rogerbrownreacts8528 That'll be glorious.
So stoked, I just happened to be rewatching the Emperor videos and now I can end it with a new one!
after those 5 long episodes, my idea is that the emperor behaved this way simply because if he acted to fix all problems , he'd catch the full attention of all of the 4 chaos gods. Instead he purposely left space for them to take something from him in the best possible way. The emperor has to work in a precise way to slowly proceed towards ultimate victory but at the same time avoid being too close to completely win or lose. This also explains why the Primarks have been gone for so long: he was gathering power to be able to lead them. This long journey toward ultimate victory, however, has come to the price of countless lives in 10k+ years. The only way to truly fool a chaos god in my opinion is to give them exactly what they want... unfortunately. But this is also their greatest weakness: they can be baited into doing predictable stuff. Maybe the emperor didn't expect Horus to turn, but mortarion? Angron? perturabo?
It is truly idiotic writing if the Emperor didn't willingly try to piss off Angron. Helping his battle brothers would have been so easy and not cost a thing compared to the love of his demigod son.
Imo it's pretty clear that BL and GW has already decided that the Emperor isn't good but only out to further his own selfish goals.
@@Ewil.Bluetoothit may also be the emperor doesn’t fully understand the concept of attachments and companionship and thus didn’t see Angron’s gladiator friends the same way he did
My favorite civilizations from 40k to think about are the Interex and the Technocracy, as they seem to be these small glimpses into what humanity was like in the Age of Technology, but without the rabid Imperialism. I'd love to see a society like theirs appear again in the story of M41.
In fictional storytelling, only in few occasions the average (humanoid :D ) reader leans towards the "enemy side". Unintentionally in Henlein's "Star ship troopers", intentionally in Verhoeven's adaption and probably intentionally in the 40k universe. I think, GW made other human socities more relatable in order to increase the tragic backdrop of what could have been. Altough in many instances satirically excessive, the mind set of the Imperium of Men or at least glimpses can (and could) be observed throughout our history until today.
Another YT-creator made a funny "What if" scenario about the intrusion of the Forerunners into Imperial Space. Their obliteration of the Imperium and all its bigotery would be indeed so glorious, deserved and truly delightful.
@@Peter-vf3dlPancreasnowork is the name of the channel I think
@@LordIceify Nothing the Imperium has, either in 30k or 40k, can be described as "logical based bigotry". It is the extreme bigotry that actively hinders a society and stagnates it while proclaiming itself as powerful. And the Forerunners are so hilariously superior to the Imperium that its laughable; they are beings that are more comparable to the Aeldari Empire at its height.
Thnx for the nice listen 💪 13 hours of work , 2 hours of driving home and a new lore drop , as always since the first part 7 years ago has lore master Luetin risen again 🤲
so much distilled wisdom with enough room and respect for the listener to comprehend and forge my own truths of understanding. very profound video series, truly excellent!
I can only imagine the hours you spent in editing/production for your vids. I salute your works!!
At one point (after reading the Dune series), I had thought that the Emperor had seen a perfect version of Humanity's future. A "Golden Path" if you will.
And this is that path.
Mistakes, errors, sacrifices, horrendous occurrences, etc. All of it. A piece of the puzzle.
Or, it's the golden path gone Grim Dark. Due to forces just as powerful being an active part of the set up of such a path.
I Love your video man. I’m so glad I got into warhammer and watched your channel. Now all my friends think I’m sort of lore expert who has been on warhammer since the beginning. I appreciate you and all the hard work you do. Keep it up!
This has to be one of the all time best lore series exploring a topic in a work of fiction.
Good to see Luetin slowly embracing the Primoradial Truth
So stocked!! Thanks again for another awesome video!!
Glad to have another upload from you Leutin, will probably fall asleep to this and forget my time stamp though
Thank you!! Hope all is well with you and your family. May the God-Emperor continue to guide you in your art.
I’m 30 and very very very very new to 40k and all it’s lore. But because of you I can actually have conversations with people who have been playing / painting for years. Thank you for these amazing videos and a reason to dive deep into my new passion. ❤
every time i try to get into teh lore of 40k i struggle, apart from Luetins videos. I always manage to sit through the whole video whether its playing in the background or im actively paying attention to it.
I was JUST looking at your emperor of man series, wondering when the next would come, if ever. You fascinate me.
OH YES ANOTHER EMPEROR OFMAN VIDEO LETS GOOOOO
WE'VE BEEN BLESSED WITH ANOTHER LEUTIN VIDEO, PRAISE THE OMNISSIAH
Luetin and Oculus Imperia best and only worthy 40k channels IMHO. Great vid, keep up the awesome work :)))
Thanks Luetin loved it you're truly the loremaster of mankind!!
All hail the Emperor of Mankind !
The only true answer to humanities dark future. Honestly your emperor series sheds so much light on the emperor while also keeping things on the speculative side. Osm video as all ways
Luetin will never run out of 40k content at this point
Just got it started. Already had to thumbs up. This series of yours is the best.
Sometimes I come here just for the atmosphere of you narrating.
Very appreciated.
I just finished re-rewatching the Emperor series yesterday and then this comes out. Luetin protects!
In one of the Gaunt’s Ghosts books, an STC was corrupted by chaos and made warped men of iron
That was the first book I believe.
My favorite Gaunts Ghost is Anarch. What a wild ride.
Doesn't that series take place in Chaos territory, meaning that everything in it is likely to be Chaos-corrupted?
How does chaos corrupt a hard drive?
Thanks again for your work Leutin. Although I must say, in this video a lot of what you spoke about is either in conflict directly with what happens in earlier lore but i do suppose that is the nature of 40k lore and why it's so good.
Whenever I hear Luetin hold himself back from going off on a tangent, he raises my expectations for a video on that tangent. So many video ideas and rabbit holes. What a wonderful day.
i really like the final thoughts you had that the emperor is just concentrated humanity. that would explain so much from why the empror is sometimes human but sometimes so cold and uncaring ex: calling the primarch by numbers not names. also it would show that even though the empror was brilliant he was still human at the core even if that humanity is so so different from you and i.
love your content, cant wait for the next video
The emperor is a monstrous xenos, not human. Ais fashioned by humans are more like us than he is.
I think the emperor didn’t act much during the golden age because he felt it wasn’t necessary, but then decided it was once he felt humanity had fallen to a point that it wouldn’t recover without his help.
This actually makes a lot of sense.
His ability to see the future is definitely not the best.
Maybe he saw the fall too late and junped into turbo mode, but it was too late.
Luetin is still the place i go to for the Lore and will remain so. Thank you.
I haven’t watched your lore videos in a while and stopped at the Astartes History.
To my suprise, I saw a fifth Emperor video. I realised you had put it so that there isnlt any inconsistency in the subject of each video! I am so thankful towards you because of this effort!
It makes it so much easier for newer viewers who came later to the party to still enjoy your content!
Just finished Siege of Terra Mortis. Easily the most fascinating part of these books is the story around the Perpetuals. Really grounds 40k in a central lore imo (at least for humans).
The emperor was just a character created by Malcador. He killed the two missing primarchs when they found out
after a real bad week, this upload is a breath of fresh air and the highlight of my week. thanks for all the top notch content.
There's a short story called Monastery of Death that reveals (at the end) that a full library of STCs is being kept hidden by a world that has just agreed to join the Imperium, which is a fun little twist.
@UrianAzrael actually I got done watching just a few hours ago! I was excited to hear him bring it up!
I would say 1984 is the closest to 40k in terms of how the society functions, absolutely runs along the same lines, the only difference being setting, but the dynamic is absolutely close to 40k
I don't remember 1984 having actual demons that can be summoned by "wrong think".
‘Closest’. Not ‘identical to’.
@@DrFluffy the difference is that "wrong think" in the Imperium has real consequences. It makes a massive amount of difference that you can orgy your way into a planet side demon invasion. 1984 is what the real world is right now. 40K has literal demons and chaos Gods. It is fairly important that those who worship the gods are crushed violently. Let's not forget Genestealer cults. The Imperium functions in the best way possible in such a future, given the history and setting.
Fantastic video, well worth the wait. After a bunch of your videos and making my way through the Horus Heresy novels, I've begun to wonder if The Emperor fought so hard against religion, in part, because he foresaw himself, a hardcore athiest, being worshipped as a god in the future. I'm often reminded of Faust, or any old school tragic hero, when it comes to the actions of The Emperor. He is the most powerful and intelligent, but he's telling the truth when he says he's human which makes him as fallible as any of us. His arrogance becomes everyone's undoing and, to me, that arrogance is part of what fuels his need to fight becoming a god; because gods are inherently right so people never question them. The Emperor though, he wants to be *technically* right. He wants you to follow him because he is the best of humanity and his logic is superior, not because he's a divine figure you follow blindly. He needs you to know how much work he put into making the Imperium and how badly humanity needs its best and brightest to take the reigns. He needs us to appreciate him for his deeds and his merit and be grateful that he chose to intervene. It's narratively perfect how badly he needs everyone to believe in him but NOT worship him as a god.
No hes a monster, not human. The AI are more human than him or space marines.
Love the Tau talk its really awesome to hear you refer back to them as well as talking about the kroot don't forget the vespid stingwings
I love your vids Luetin! So much detail, super rich with lore
The key to what the Emperor really is has always been right in front of our eyes. Key word: Anathema. What do daemons really mean when they call him that…it’s not as simple as the definition one finds within a book.
Interesting. Please elaborate!
This title is borderline heretical Luetin . Ur treading a needle, they wil have janovich play Krieg roulette with you
He'll make a fine servitor