Solve this case: Who Killed Kay Wenal? | Full Episode
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we can do without the “ritzy glitzy” Vegas style music.. it makes it seem cheesy and when you’re talking about someone’s life being taken away, you don’t need to add that corny big band or rat pack style music please and thank you
in my humble opinion, the blood on the towel in the upstairs bathroom was the murderer wiping off the blade, and they put on a wig to disguise themselves before leaving.
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@@mfi-cf7spI totally agree. X
I love everything about this program!
Her staying home unexpectedly that day is the biggest clue.
Her killer had to be someone close, to know she’d be home.
Yes.
Or she stayed home specifically TO meet someone
@@apebitmusic83That thifuht did not occur to me but yes
Or he was just following her and noticed she was home.
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The husband paid for all the extra testing and investigations. He kept the house as a shrine to her because it was the last place she was alive and he couldn't let her go. Psychologically these are not the acts of someone who is the killer. He really couldn't let her go. He even left the drops of her blood uncleaned. Maybe he hoped that if any future investigations needed to be done, if he kept everything the same, they could see the crime scene preserved.
no.. that's NOT how NORMAL people react to a house where a BRUTAL homicide of a loved one occurred..
his behavior was irregular.. ESPECIALLY since it was a rental!! (29:23)
who stays in a RENTAL where your SPOUSE was brutally murdered?? makes ZERO sense
I agree. He probably wanted to preserve the crime scene for as long as he could, in case investigators ever needed to reference it again. He was obsessed with finding the truth.
@@cannablissdreamstotally agree. He wasn't happy about all the affairs and was sick of it
No he’s getting off on all of it that’s why and that money isn’t a lot considering how much he’s saved by having her dead. Also it didn’t matter how much money he put up for an award because he KNEW no one would claim it because HE did it.
@@MsMoniqueLynnhe not only put up money for award in finding her..But he finance alot of the DNA researching...Why would he do that?!...
She was supposed to leave for work, but suddenly "became ill". Then she opened the door to someone she knew. ..and the person knew she'd "become ill" and stay at home. Sounds like it was supposed to be a secret they'd meet.
Could have been an electronic or phone stalker!
I think your scenario contains the answer. That was the person who killed her.
Maybe a family member or someone close that knew she was home. Where was her car? Visable or garage. Could she have called someone?
I NEVER answer my door, period. No one can tell if I'm home or not. If I AM expecting someone, I still check to make sure it's them.
This story broke my heart. For her to open the door, she knew her killer. 😢
I don't either. I wouldn't even answer the door for a cop whp was looking for info on the neighbors at 2 in the morning. If he wants me, he can have the department call me and tell me a REAL officer is outside my door. I told my sister I wouldn't answer any door in the middle of the night. So, if someone dies, they'll still be dead in the morning anyway.
@@chomka426 I'm like you; I won't open my door to a police officer unless I have confirmation he's legit. There are crazy men out there who are fake.
Seems it was most likely someone she knew.
She didn't necessarily know them. Somebody could have used a ruse, eg courier, telephone repair etc
I don't answer my door either. It drives me nuts that my husband answers for anyone who knocks and often has to shoo away scammers. I keep saying, stop answering the damn door!
Hal wanted to keep the house like it was the last time she was in it. What he did isn't any different than a parent who leaves a deceased child's room the same. It's like changing it would erase their essence, the last vestiges of their life.
Or he gets off on the power when seeing it because he killed her
If he had cleaned it all up, they would've been suspicious about that too 🤦🤷
Yup, my wife's ex-boyfriend's sister had passed away at 13 and they left her room the same for over 12 years.
@@MsMoniqueLynn and your evidence for this is?
@@SidewaysInTraffic A lot of the parents in these true crime shows do the same thing. Whatever it takes to help their grieving process...
I think that letter was complete BS. There’s no way a killer would put suspicion on himself by admitting he was an ex lover that killed her
To Throw the police off the real killer.
It's as if the letter sender wanted to make Kay look like a wh ore. Perhaps it was a jealous woman who knew about Kay's life and past and was jealous of her. Whoever killed Kay might have been a professional due to the lack of evidence.
First thing I thought when they were reading it how felt like a woman wrote it
@@BunnySlippers82 I think they should look into her best friend Karen again. To see if she was also involved in BDSM. Kay had to have some kind of connection to a swingers club or something.
@@ceilconstante640 I completely agree, they do need to look into her friend. Something is not right, and even that former assistant of Kay's husband said that Karen spoke badly of Kay behind her back.
I’m so impressed that her husband tried so hard. He probably died of a broken heart.
Kay wasn’t faithful. At all.
@sirvilhelmofyanderland1902 There was no evidence that she was having an affair at that time, though. That also doesn't mean that he didn't deeply love her.
@@sirvilhelmofyonderland doesn't seem so
OmG he had her killed..not sorry
@@MW-eg3bn What's so horrible about a man being a simp for someone? not a thing.
Follow the money…I believe the person who benefited was the blonde woman who was her husband’s “right hand man”. She comes across as someone with a lot to hide, motive, and awareness of Kay’s schedule. That is the way forward.
Always follow the money. Who had the most to gain?
that woman might be having an affair with Kay's husband
Exactly my thoughts as well.
well said
My thoughts exactly
I have a cousin who’s wife died (cancer) about 5 years ago, and he, too, has kept the house the same as when she was alive. Clothes still on the bench at the end of the bed, etc. It’s not as uncommon as people think.
Fair enough but who doesn't clean up bloodstains from his murdered wife?? When friends/family come visiting him he's like: "Oh it's her blood.. I keep it there as part of the shrine to her..."
@@Douglas_Hamilton I didn’t say I agree, but people all grieve in their own way.
@@SewWhittle
Very true...
@@SewWhittle Agreed; I really don't think the most current husband/widower had anything to do with it; was a hired hit from either the best friend, disgruntled business person of husband, an ex-husband, or a jilted lover (since they were swingers)...IMHO
my stepdad tore the house up the second my mom died and moved in his new wife, married 3 months after her death
She stayed home that day. Red flag #1 is that she chose to change her behavior that day. How many people were aware of that and could have acted that quickly to take advantage of the fact? It's super short notice if she truly only changed her plan for the day without warning anyone ahead of time. So, she either decided to skip work because she had spontaneously made plans to perhaps meet someone, or she wasn't feeling well and called in sick, and one of the few people who were aware of the fact that she was now home for the day took the opportunity to catch her there alone. And of those few people, one of them was extremely angry at her.
I'm inclined to believe another person she was hooking up with and she cancelled and he went over and got mad. It's definitely personal and full of anger.
The killer knew she was going to be home that day. That should provide a clue.
Or she was afraid of someone at work
@@PinkGrammarGirl If she was hooking up with someone or having an affair, there would almost be communications between the two---texts, calls, emails, something--and apparently investigators found nothing.
Anyone who worked at the company would have known, presumably.
I think the assistant hired the guy in the sketch to perform the hit. She used the 'off the books' money from her boss to pay for it, so the transaction was untraceable. She is also one of the few people who would know that Kay was home sick that day, since they worked together. And of course, she would know that Kay didn't like the house and some of those other personal things in the letter.
That seems very plausible.
Maybe they was watching her and that's just how it went down . Opportunity knocked
I posted about seeing this one various times over the years. After finishing watching it again, I only have 2 theories:
1 - recent affair gone sour, or ex boyfriend from distant past carried out a long held grudge
2 - Karen hired a hit, hitman didn't have access to a gun so he used a knife, Karen didn't benefit financially afterward like she thought she would.
#1 explains the violent nature of the crime only
#2...
- also explains the violent nature
- explains the profiler saying that a female sent the “magazine letter”
- explains the letter trying to redirect cops focus to an affair as the motive
- explains Karen constantly checking with the police for case progress
- explains Karen calling Hal away from the house the morning of the crime
- explains Kay's autopsy showing no recent intimate activity (no affair).
#2 does seem to fit pretty well. I wonder if Karen thought Hal would marry her after Kay died, & Karen would inherit most of his fortune.
@@steveknick1978 I believe whole heartedly that what you have stated is 99.9% True! That would also explaine why it's still a cold case. Detectives need to call her back in and then question her motives again and telling her of these explaniaries and then watch her body language because if Karen is lying, she would unconciously be aware of her body language as she would be too focused on how to answer the questions.
However, it said that Kay likely new her assailant and opened the door to him.
Why wouldn’t they get the footage from the post office for around the days the letter was mailed???
What about Kay’s husband’s family? The letter sounds judgmental, the reward and investigators were fired after Hal died. I just wonder if someone on his side of the family disapproved of Kay and wanted her gone.
Exactly. Who was the executor of the estate.
Agree! Why in this video, no one talks about the husband' s family members and provide any information about them?
Follow the money usually garners results.....
Does he have a son?
That's what I thought too.
This case haunts me. It's so scary to think that not even experienced detectives can find the person cause he was THAT professional.
12:24 8 12:24 😢
My bet is someone close to her. This was personal and I'm surprised they didn't mention her finances. "Follow the money!"
No, the perpetrator is not THAT professional. The truth is LEOs only solve about 2% of crimes...
She had 3 prior marriages and still was cheating...And at her age had a black leather harness that her current husband didn't know about LOL.
@@Ze_Moosethis was a hit. Likely someone from her past.
Oh how i wish the dead could talk or give some kind of clues. Unsolved cases are beyond frustrating
They always do u gatta recognize the clue
I have become an avid watcher of your show. I am from England but live in the med in Cyprus. I love 48 hours as you have the GREATEST interviewers, and investigate as much as you can, I am so sad for the people who get wrongly convicted, but love it when you can help solve. God Bless you. 👍👍👍👍🙏🙏 Please don't stop.
Jacqui, is that you from the tennis club?
@@julieuk5855 Sorry Julie, no.😎😎
Totally recommend catfish after episodes like this.
Massive house on a wealthy street and not one camera?
I think the key lies in what the killer did after he killed her. The steps he took around the house. Up the stairs and into her closet and who knows where else. He was looking for something otherwise why bother. Get out. This is why he didn't use a gun. Someone always hears the gun shot. He was very stealth and professional in my opinion.
Yeah that bothers me. Did the assailant went upstairs just to wipe some blood? That's weird because the attack took place in the kitchen area, there should be some kind of wipe or cloth there, or maybe use the sink if he wanted to do a little cleanup.
Professional would have a silencer for their gun
He had to retrace his steps to get something he left in the bedroom ~ wink wink
No a woman that hated her wanted to go look in her closet
Not always!
It definitely was Personal. No break in, so she knew the person or felt ok enough to open the door. They made sure not to drive in the neighborhood so no vehicle tag could be recorded. Nothing was missing, so it wasn't a robbery. This wasn't random, but very thought out. I feel so sorry for her Husband & Sister. 🙏🏽
Maybe a neighbor
Unless it was her husband, she sounds like she could be a handful and maybe he was ready to get rid of her without spending millions of his self earned money
I disagree. It wasn't personal. It was business.
one thing that’s not suspicious to me is the husband wanting to keep the house exactly how it was (including the blood) AND stay there. grief is weird & sometimes we hold onto any tiny little piece that was from them when they were alive, even her blood. that actually made me really sad for him to hear he hates going home, but won’t leave that house 😭 he prob felt like it was betrayal to leave “her” (in spirit) there alone.
Either that or by keeping it a crime scene he could say to himself "bye-bye bitc@" every day.
He was elderly & 2 years away from dying of a heart attack. So he probably doesn’t feel great physically, & then you add a massive pile of grief on top of that. Not sure why anyone is suspicious of him not changing things or cleaning every last drop of blood up…maybe his eyesight wasn’t even good enough to see the blood drops.
It reminded me of a recent epsiode of Dateline, the one with the bicyclist who was murdered in her friend's home. The friend found her and gave CPR. She said that when she cleaned the blood off her hands she felt absolutely awful, because the blood was all she had left of her friend. A few of those investigators on this 48 Hours ep seems to lack an understanding of human nature..
The letter makes me think a female composed it because of the reference to Kay "hating" her house. Generally, I think a man would not mention that , especially after all the "lies'& love" etc.
Unless Kay threw that at him in arguments? She hated the house, he was old and fat....he felt she only married him then for his money. I think Karen helped him with the letter.
I think it was the husband
Sadly, I don’t think this case will be solved unless someone comes forward with additional information. 💔
or a confession
A reward!!
@@heavenlymajesticking$250 k is the reward
Home security cameras around the area and or shopping/ stores in the area
@@jaycole5353 Okay! Thanks for replying!
The estate stopped paying for the investigation to continue as soon as he died. Whoever is running the estate/his beneficiary would know how desperately he wanted to bring her killer to justice, but his wishes were not carried out after his death. Who is in charge of the estate? Who is his beneficiary? This seems like an incredibly obvious course of investigation, and I don’t know why it was left out of this video. A typical first question people always ask (and rightfully so) is who stood to benefit from the victim’s demise?
Rewards are often not cash values but insurance policies purchased to pay in the event a tip verifies according to the policy.
His children were likely grown & had little or no connection to Kay. They may even resent her for bringing some portion of this drama into Hal’s life, & him dying just 2 years later.
Are they really going to take their portion of the inheritance - which was already reduced by money Hal spent on the investigation- & continue to put more money toward it? Of course not.
It's not unusual that his children stopped paying for the investigation. Why would they?? She wasn't their family.
My question is, was the investigation taken to the post office where the letter was mailed from? And do they have surveillance cameras?
I thought this originally as well, however, the letter could have been posted from any local box. This person importantly has the same avoidance of detection abilities as the killer. They may quite plausibly be one in the same.
This had to be someone Kay knew and didn't think she was in danger. Otherwise, there's no way she would have turned her back on the attacker.
Her husband
Her husband's co-worker/friend
Her lover
Her friend
Her relative
Her so called best friend
Her husband. He is very creepy. The so-cold best friend wrote the letter.
@@user-zg7nf5yv1rhusband could've paid somebody to do it
What makes you think she turned her back? She apparently answered the door mid-morning. At that point the killer may have forced his way in. After that he punches her like the investigator said, she crawls away to the kitchen & he kills her there.
So sad they haven’t solved this case. I pray the family gets justice for this beautiful lady.
Having so many affairs is inviting trouble
@@orionxtc1119And fun at same time 😅
Regardless
These should not happened too her.
Super sad
She could had make patient mad
In here CARREE as a nurse.
I pray to.
It's also sad that Hal was getting "slippery seconds" if you follow
I think the letter was the work of a woman. There was almost a craft element to the letter. There was too much writing, Only a woman would "talk" so much. The denigrations has a spiteful, jealous feeling to them. According to the autopsy, Kay hadn't had sex in a while. There was also no digital trail pointing to a lover.
Why would the "best friend" not want to be interviewed? A genuine best friend, or even casual friend would do anything to get the case solved. Unless of course she was the one responsible. The best friend would know lots of details that were in the letter. I think the reason for the letter was to further destroy her reputation. This is simply not the way men usually communicate. I do not think the "best friend" did the act herself. Such brutality in female killers is not unheard of, but it is unusual. Whether she did, or hired someone, she is the most likely person responsible for her death. The primary motive was jealously.
It was the husband who killed her and he sent that serial killer letter to throw the police off his trail. He also gathered together this group of retired cops to make it look like he was trying to help find out who did it but really was further from the truth.
I think so too
Nope. If he ordered the hit….
- Hal wouldn’t spend a dime on an investigation that might eventually lead back to him. Police find the hitman & he would give Hal up to avoid the death penalty.
- Hal wouldn’t stay in the house because it would be a constant reminder of guilt
💯
@@mv5075 name a situation where a killer ever hired investigators to work the case. It doesn’t happen & makes no sense.
People usually take out a spouse for 1 of 3 reasons (or a combo of them):
1 - love
2 - money
3 - child custody
Hal didn’t remarry (love), he had all the money in the relationship, & they shared no kids because they were older. He doesn’t have any of the classic motives.
I agree with you, Hal was smiling in the beginning of interview and saying too much. I would not live in the house. Remember he was described as a lier.
Couple things I felt needed expounded on in this episode was why the estate halted the investigation and withdrew the reward money. Who was in charge of the estate? Lawyers? Family members? What was the reasoning? Second was the autopsy report. They stated how she died, that it was a sharp force instrument and how they think her throat was slashed, but is that from the report? The coroner would be able to tell which side it started from and where it ended.
As far as those that are suspect in my mind: Firstly, the "best" friend. She had the most to gain and I feel she wanted Hal and wanted Kay's life. The letter may have been a red herring, but if I had to pick an author, it would be her. A man wouldn't mention the house. The friend had money issues of which Hal was constantly bailing her out of. I could see her getting angry with Kay for shirking what Hal provided her and being grateful, instead complaining about it. She resonated with me the most as far as sus. The second would be the identity of the man in the photo, who age progressed, could be the man in the sketch. Not that he's sus, it seems a strange coincidence that needs sorted out. Just my thoughts though. I hope they solve it for her sister's sake. I can't imagine living with a situation like this... not knowing.
1. that doesn't need to be expounded on... unless he specifically put in his will that he wanted to continue funding the investigation, the estate has no obligation to continue.
2. the coroner isn't necessarily gonna be able to tell which side the cut started from
@@craigime They discussed that the autopsy showed where the cut started and ended, which is why they think the killer is right handed.
My thoughts exactly! It would be his dying wish. He wanted it solved no matter the costs. Someone got the rest of his estate .
@@BrittanyCollins10 Did he have children? It's not mentioned, but if he did they would have been from a previous marriage and so not the victim's children, and therefore they wouldn't want to make a big payout and may not have all that much interest in solving the crime.
@@craigimethey said they slit her neck from left to right since they were right handed.
48 Hours is my favorite true crime series👌
Forensic Files. They have solved murders off of a TREE DNA!
I'm addicted.
This is my grandma. What an insane time these years were.
I am so sorry for your loss
I am also sorry! 😢❤
The way that the sister laughed at Karen Scott “She was my Best Friend”… & then Karen not want to interview for her BEST FRIEND …
Right Karen! We know you did it !!!!!!
Nobody knows who did it!! As you could see in the movie, the sister didn't know a lot of things about what K was doing and who she was close friends with.
The letter is obviously total bogus. It does seems like someone was getting investigated and tried to mislead the detectives with that letter.
I don't like to blame a d*ad husband and I of course might be wrong, but, the things that were said in that letter were almost like things she may have actually said to him in an argument for example, like, she hated the house, her 'old fat' husband or something along those lines. 'She told me'....I don't know, that letter pointed to him imo. He dissed himself by saying what she had said to him..and also she had been cheating. 'She only wanted him for the money'. I think it's him, angry and hurt by how she made him feel and I wonder if his right hand woman 'made' the letter.
Who took control of the estate once Hal passed away?
They sure cut off the finances for the reward and the private investigators.
Maybe they wanted Kay out of the way before Hal passed away and she messed up them getting control of the estate?
No not necessarily. It could be that they weren't fond of Kay and could care less who murdered her. Selfish people out there.
@@ItCantRainForever2yes. Kay Wenal was indeed selfish. Why would people, who aren’t related to her, waste their inheritance finding who killed her?
@@Irunwithscissors63 exactly it's common sense to me
@@ItCantRainForever2 it seems to be lost on the opening commenter whom, I’m sure, would spend every last cent of any inheritance on finding the killer of the dead wife of their dead relative 😂
I feel like if that were the case they might have potentially then taken and sold her jewelry?
Patterns have shown that men do the cut out letter notes also
Q1. Are the investigators saying because a cell phone is at home a person must be at home? Not true.
SHE REMINDS ME OF MY AUNT. VERY BEAUTIFUL AND HAS A VIBRANT SPIRIT. YOU CAN TELL THAT ALL THROUGHOUT THESE PHOTOS. RIP TO KAY AND MY AUNT ROSE .
I’m not sure how this case will be solved but I have feeling it will be. So strange
The husband did it. He hired a professional killer. Then he paid for his own investigation team to keep any suspicion off of him.
Agree.
My thoughts as well.
Have they tried to test if there was any DNA inside the glove pieces?
I also absolutely think a woman could have done this brutal crime.
I'm sure they did.
I feel like they suspected Hal, and anything that poor man did was viewed as suspicious. If he’d had the house cleaned, they’d question why he was erasing evidence. He left it as a living tomb, and they are suspicious as to why he didn’t clean it.
But leaving the bloodstains left is just morbid. Nobody would've blamed him for cleaning that off yet he never did. Very very strange...
@@Douglas_Hamiltonit’s not strange at all!! Hal was beside his self with grieve!!! Holy Cow!!
@@JanetteFayThere was not one sign of grief during interview.
@@danielaharcarufkova Oh Sorry 😐 l didn’t see that! Till l watched it a second time! Yes True there was no grief! But it wasn’t long before he followed his wife, from a heart attack! 🤔 from all the stress l think?
@@danielaharcarufkova I agree. He did it.
If he was aq woman, the comments here would be totally different. Heck, the narrative in this video would be 100% different. All fingers would point to the wife.
Have they thought about checking the piece of glove for DNA and using familial DNA to find someone they're related to? I think that may be the only way to solve the case. It perked me up watching this story when they told about the cut and paste letter was mailed from Augusta, GA because that's where I live. I sure hope they solve this case. I felt so bad for her husband and the fact he left the house like it was. I think he left it like that because it was her there as creepy as it may sound to others. He was so heartbroken I don't believe he had anything to do with it but I think that woman claiming to be her best friend definitely could have. The thing she had to gain was Hal. I think she wanted Kay's life. I believe she didn't think Kay deserved Hal.
what piece of glove?
The person had to have left something somewhere
@craigime The rubber glove piece they left. Probably a finger piece
As soon as they mentioned they found pieces of a latex glove, I thought the same thing. They didn’t say anything about testing it for DNA.
What is this for investigation? What type of glove, what size of glove, what type of dna was in there?
Why am I addicted to 48 2020 & dateline. Wish there were more episodes. Lots more
I find it suspicious that if anyone knew she hated her house, it was her husband! So why would he keep it the same as when she was alive! For spite maybe???
Hal had to pay Private Detectives. He knew the police department would cry saying how broke they are and cannot pay for DNA and fiber analysis. I think he knew that it was the only way to get answers. Cutting off the money after Hal's death was suspicious. How bout checking out those individuals
I doubt anyone willfully cut off the funding. Most likely there were no provisions in his will to continue funding the investigation. The executor was probably a lawyer or some other hired professional who was simply doing their job based on what the will stated.
These are one of the reasons I want to be a detective one day. Cases like this. I feel horrible for her family, especially her sister and husband. Justice hasn't come for them yet and it's a pain to think about. I want to be able to be the kind of person to help solve cases like this. Cold cases, no matter how long it's been, no matter if the murderer or the family is dead. Justice is something that should be given to the victim either way. The world has to know who the horrible person is so they would have a horrible image even in their death.
you sound sweet.. but.. the cold reality is.. these are RICH whyte people.. rules don't apply to them.. you're gonna find out REAL quick that some crimes they WANT left unsolved.. irrespective of their APPEARANCE to care..
the money is always the goal.. the money dried up.. so.. those detectives stopped giving a damn.. because they never cared to begin with..
they were motivated by Hal's money.. NOT motivated to SOLVE the crime..
think about it.. FOUR "professionals" sitting at that table and.. collectively.. they couldn't find their way out of a paper bag!!
the ineptitude at that table is astounding!! OR is it that they simply DGAF now that the money stopped flowing like water from Hal's vulnerability?
You sound like a totally decent human being, and I sincerely hope you reach your goals and DO become a successful detective one day... May you have strength, courage, dignity and a wealth of wisdom in your work you are dedicated to doing. So refreshing to hear what your dream is, compared to all the negativity going around.
@@cannablissdreams That reality is very harsh but also one of the reasons I want to become a detective. I want to help the people that others rejected or given up on. It may and could be very dangerous but taking a big risk is a big part of it and I'm willing to take it to help others. It is really sad how people can get driven by money.
@@sadlad2005 Thank you so much, your comment made me smile. Not many people say that to me and it's a big impact, I wish for your happiness and success too! ❤❤
@@cannablissdreamsyou make some interesting points
I was so llooking forward for this to be solved😢
I believe the husband is the scorned lover here and he probably found out that she was cheating on him or told him she was going to leave him and he had her killed. The note was most probably made by the best friend because she gained a lot from her death. Unfortunately her husband did a great job in throwing off investigators by his involvement in the investigation himself.
Yea I absolutely agree. The husband killed her.
I'm thinking along the SAME lines
This is why I have hidden cameras inside and outside of my home...You never know what can happen with all the crime going on in this scary world...and only I know that I have hidden cameras...In Kay's case I feel that she knew the person that killed her since she opened the door for this person..She stayed home that day and someone knew that..She wasn't robbed or raped..So this was a premeditated hit on her
Yeah I am surprised we don't hear about what cameras picked up inside or outside the home.
Too many Jekyll & Hyde's🎭. Smart but also sad 💙
All that S & M meant no cameras.
This happened years ago so cameras inside and out of the house was not common.
Living in fear?? So sad
Thank you 48hours for putting this full episode on
They should have examined Hal more closely. Did he benefit financially from her death (e.g. was she an over spender, did he collect insurance $, was she controlling of how he ran his business, did she keep a tab on how he spent his $, etc?). His smiling demeanor at 12:50, is quite strange. Only a person very close to her would have known that she was sick that day and acted quickly. Only a person well aquainted with that house could have pulled it off without leaving evidence.
I think Hal had something to do with it or knows a lot more. Knew. They're living in a rental, and he didn't move? Didn't clean up? Her blood? 😪😪😪 Could it be a woman who did the cut & paste letter, but a man did the crime? Could it have something to do with his business? Then he felt guilty?
What was his will like?
My mother was removed by ambulance 11/2020
She passed away December 6 from Covid.
The house remains exactly the same. I now live with my father because he needs medical attention and I’ve yet to do anything to the property because I want my dad to live in a house that he and Mom lived in . Why in the world would I change the house around it’s what is comfortable to Dad. So that part I don’t understand??
I guess everyone’s different
I feel she knew whoever it was
why?
@@RK-su4hsshe let him in and turned her back on him almost immediately, apparently, if the detective is correct on where and how she was hit first.
@@TheDriftwoodlover ty
Sounds like a hit for hire. Only professional killers know how to hit that way. She was so beautiful. This is heartbreaking😢
Sorry but it was not a hit as you put it.
@@mohammaddavoudian7897It may have been. No DNA, no fingerprints or footprints, no hair fibers, etc Sounds very professional.
Why would a hit man go upstairs and leave a bloody towel in her closet tho?
@@SheriLynNut Because he can.
I don’t feel bad for the husband. I think he hired some professional killer and had the letter sent by someone else. He kept the house the same so they don’t suspect him. He’s a liar. What kind of life insurance did he have on her?
Precisely my thought.
i also think he hired someone to do it, but she may've been hateful to him. idk.
My thoughts all the way around
i’m not buying that the husband was not involved 🧐
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Exactly
She literally changed her plans at the last minute. Not only that but the perpetrator had to be EXTREMELY comfortable in the home..
The fact that it was done with a sharp object doesnt mean it wasnt for hire. It just means that whoever ordered it really hated her and maybe wanted it specifically that way
If I hated her, why would I use a nice sharp knife? Why not use a rusty spoon?
@@chrismanspeaker9372Would the rusty spoon hurt more?
@@maryanne7161definitely! You'd have to saw!
This case is mesmerizing!!
He seems too calm in the interview, he probably hired someone, and tried to blame her past.
Feels like there’s no hope with this one, have seen this episode multiple times over the years. It was definitely personal & violent…comes across like it could be a paid hit, but it’s too violent & personal for the killer to not have a grudge with her specifically. Maybe she was having an affair that turned sour & the other man did it.
If there were doorbell cameras back then & they got his car on video, they probably would've solved it.
EDIT: after finishing watching it again, I only have 2 theories:
1 - recent affair gone sour, or ex boyfriend from distant past carried out a long held grudge
2 - Karen hired a hit, hitman didn't have access to a gun so he used a knife, Karen didn't benefit financially afterward like she thought she would.
#1 explains the violent nature of the crime only
#2...
- also explains the violent nature
- explains the profiler saying that a female sent the magazine letter
- explains the letter trying to redirect cops focus to an affair as the motive
- explains Karen constantly checking with the police for case progress
- explains Karen calling Hal away from the house the morning of the crime
- explains Kay's autopsy showing no recent intimate activity (no affair).
Not if ur paid to make it look that way
@@bobzelley5100 Who has the money for this calibre hired killer? Not any physical evidence left. Hubby had money and maybe other past hook-ups did as well.
The info says no vehicle 🤷🏻♀️
@@AlexAndra-iy5zu Right, he was canvassing the neighborhood on foot. Still, he had to have a vehicle somewhere, even if it was outside the neighborhood (unless he rode a bike or took a bus).
@@steveknick1978there are NO busses in RICH whyte neighborhoods!! come on now..
I still don't discount Hal hiring someone to do it.
But he or her sister did it-expect the unexpected.
Y'all the instruments and sound effects, I can't 😂
It seems so obvious to me that the husband Hal kill3d her. That letter sealed it for me, reminds me of a movie where the suspect sent a letter bashing himself & the victim to divert attention. Hal planned the perfect murd3r; putting up reward money, hiring detectives, holding on to the house/ her things…all a ploy to look like a distraught & devastated husband. We’ve seen it before. He may have experienced guilt afterwards which could explain some of his actions but I personally think it was all an act. He could’ve been obsessed with her, tired of her cheating, fetishes, or it could’ve been as simple as a fight leading him to hiring someone.
I was just scrolling through the comments and looking for this, thank you! isn't it super obvious? Like, from the very first moment
@@asmichi8516I agree, I watched hundreds of forensics and suspicious letters always come from the spouse or family members, from the top of my head
miriam helmick
Brian hummert
Christopher Porco
Chris Coleman
were all convicted and had sent letters to their victims to get suspicion off them …. The husband will be most likely or one of her siblings
Apparently, there were no surveillance cameras available around the house. What about surrounding areas? Nothing?
Yeah esp rich ppl usually have a surveillance camera installed on their house that might have caught vehicles or ppl on the street etc
This was back in 2008.
I think that letter is a fake. Some crazy person wanted to get involved in the case.
But they said she did hate her house. So how would a random person know that about her?
This may be far fetched, but could the husband have done it because he was having an affair with Karen and all his and her actions afterward were to make it seem like he was the grieving husband and she the sorrowful best friend? The fact of the towel with blood on it upstairs seems to say this person knew where things were and they didn't make a mess in the house? I don't want to believe that he was the perpetrator but stranger things have happened.
He's my no 1 suspect but I'm not sure he was having an affair but I might be wrong. I think she may have said those things in the letter in arguments maybe...like he was 'old and fat' and he felt she only married him for his money. She had also been cheating. I think he put the hurt in the letter and also it deflected from him. I think he hired private detectives to make it look like he wanted answers but he felt confident enough they wouldn't find any. I think Karen helped him and possibly 'made' the letter.
Why would he keep the house the same, spend tons of money on solving it and no signs of his having a relationship. People talk, if a neighbor or friend, coworkers thought he was having a relationship, they would talk
@@mightymouse1005 I'm not convinced he was having an affair, but I think she had affairs and of course this is just a theory, but if others knew she hated her house and this appeared in the letter - well that was a bit of an alarm bell to me. I wondered if she threw it at him in arguments and perhaps called him the names that were in the letter..and that she was only with him for the money sounds like he could be feeling that way...he felt that that's the only reason she was with him. I thought he might have had enough of feeling used and verbally ab*sed. I think anyone would spend money on a PI to make it look like they didn't do it if it meant they stayed out of jail and they had the money to spare! As I said, just a theory, but the letter felt a bit odd to me and I thought perhaps Karen might have helped him out with that part.
What about the neighbor who saw the stranger and reported it, for lack of a better suggestion?
Lied to feel important or plain old mistook someone else ( a delivery person ?) on a different day …. Hal did this.
He ripped off a lot of wealthy people, and one of them was angry enough to take from him what he most loved. The hired assassin is utterly cold-blooded, seems to enjoy his work. It will never be solved. Too many suspects.
assumption
Good point
She wasn't supposed to be home. How would the killer know that?
@@PinkGrammarGirlHe was seen in that area the day before as well.
But how did they know she stayed home that day?
They keep saying ‘him’ but it could be a woman. I think a woman could be that brutal and it was definitely someone who she was happy to let in her house in Broad daylight so knew them and wasn’t scared of them.
Remember she was 60, a woman punching her that hard would floor her, a man punching her that hard would knock her unconscious. I personally think it was someone who wanted her husband and what she had, and wanted this woman out of the picture or if Kay was having an affair, then it was the affairs Wife.
The letter was a distraction to make them think it was a man, still think it was a woman who then felt guilty and was scared of getting caught.
Don’t think it was a hitman, it was way to personal with the cutting of the throat for that. This was a crime of jealousy
A Psychopath could do this. 1 %to 0.5 % Of the population are psychopaths.
someone @ the investigators
or revenge.. jealousy usually stabs the heart.. and then they cover the victim's face..
this was RAGE and RETRIBUTION
@@cannablissdreams yesss good point.
@op it's NOT a woman. The DNA found at the crime scene was MALE.
The neighbor witnessed a strange MAN.
Furthermore, the average woman doesn't have the strength to cut a throat where it leaves the victim nearly decapitated
Do you know how tough & hard the muscles & tendons are to cut through??? Feel your own throat -----feel how muscular it is and how rigid the tendons are.
Few women have that strength unless they're body builders or something
Heartbreaking! Fly high beautiful Angel.
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Clue: whoever killed her knew she was home. It was a work day. She went home not feeling well. Who knew she was home?
Lol. Not if it was an interrupted robbery.
@@russell7054if it was a robbery, they would’ve taken her jewelry and other expensive things.
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We don't expect peace on earth, but taking a life away???? Not just a human life, any life is worth of respecting.
Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Idi Amin, Vlad the Impaler...
@@krisquigley4497bingo.
yet the OP also wants you to not eat steak, fish, venison, chicken, etc..
@ef9208 .. that steak did not come from the styrofoam plate at the publix..
@@BEAUTYnIQ labrador steaks, right?
@@hannahmitchell87
in some parts of the globe, yes.
how sure are they about the doctor that looks just like him. i immediately thought it was doctor or someone in the medical field.
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This.
go check where the letter came from like that post offcie cctv who came to post the letter
I feel bad that the killing of Kay exposed her “private side” to the world also. Hope justice is found.
But it's her private life that might have put her in danger. It's a necessary part of the story, but yeah, I know what you mean.
@@jenniferlawrence9473 so true embarrassing but true.
@@jenniferlawrence9473 foreal
Her private life got her killed
I feel like if Hal was really involved he would've immediately cleaned up the blood. The fact that he didn't and left everything exactly the same makes me think he was completely innocent.
Don't you think he'd look more suspicious if there was no blood??
You feel that way ?!!
lol
Obviously not how HAL felt.
Weird reaction by whomever controlled his estate after he died. Who was the executor of the estate? They were SO greedy they even took the reward money back??
Look there.
Hal & Kay would’ve met when they were older, therefore none of the kids were likely to have a close connection to the wife. They may not have even liked her, so to take their inheritance (which was probably split 2-3 ways) & put more of it towards the investigation is a lot to ask. At some point it’s up to the cops in my opinion but that’s just me.
Former model? What did she model, bug spray?
She was in Playboy.
She decided to stay home that day. Why? Was she expecting someone she knew to come to the house? In regard to her "secret life" (based on what they found in her wardrobe)...when and for whom was she role playing using that wardrobe? Was she part of a "swingers club" (without Hal?), Where did she play out her fantasies wearing those items? Private homes? Private Clubs? With someone in her own home? A one hour portrayal of a case like this is of course never going to be enough time to explore all the questions still unanswered in addition to the ones continuing to be asked. My heart goes out to her sister and I pray the day comes when whoever did this is caught and brought to justice.
The husband doesn't seem to beat up about his wife's death during the interrogation. I think he and that blonde secretary lady conspired somehow without doing it directly. I think the husband was glad she's gone.
I was thinking the same thing
Me as well
To her sister: Please don't give up. ❤❤❤❤
The letter is giving Scorned Woman! Mentioning of the family and the house, the fact that Kay clearly got around, and all men were allegedly so in love with her, the amount of blood found in the home and the personal and savagery of the attack is giving a woman did this.. maybe the wife of one of the men she was screwing… I hope they find the person…
One other thing I'd check with this case is everyone agrees Kay hated the house she and Hal were renting or did not own----she may have then gone without Hal knowing it to a real estate agent to find a house she did like--maybe the agency listing the house in her neighborhood and perhaps another agent walking around her hood with the house for sale borchure saw her at the agency where he got that brochure---Or maybe she toured the house as he waited in a car with clients toi tour it after her and saw her there---but the FACT a man wandering her area with a borchure in hand for a house he did not tour is really TROUBLING and I think the key to it all.........along with the fact Kay hated her house she was only renting.....
I think he kept the place the same for law enforcement in case some day they needed to investigate some evidence…
She has too many strings attached to her life. This is unsolvable. Someone will have to confess.
Nope it could be solved
@@jaycole5353 So who did it?
@@AndreWhyteI’d start with whomever the executor of his estate was.
Her husband
Her husband's friend/co-worker/client/hired hitman
Her lover
Her lover's hired hitman
Her ex-husband
Her ex-husband's hitman
Her family
Her friend
@33:33 "that kind of violence" must be a man??? Women can be every bit as violent and evil as men. Especially if they feel betrayed...Stephanie Lazarus shot, beat and bit her victim; Jodi Arias stabbed her ex boyfriend 27 times, slit his throat and shot him; Omaima Nelson repeatedly stabbed her husband with scissors before beating him with an iron and castrating him...then butchered him on the kitchen floor, putting his head in the freezer so she could break out his teeth and boiled his hands. The "she's 'just' a girl" and "a 'mother' could never be this violent" routines are getting old. It's time to bring profiling into the current century.
In the current century, only around 6% of murders are committed by women. Check the stats.
I think it was more about the force of the surprise punch, no defensive wounds, how easily Kay was overpowered and how women rarely slit throats. I agree, women can be just as bad as men, but when you add it all up in this case, I have to agree with the investigators. They are looking for a dude.
Very sad and depressing
If it were a robbery, I think the person would not have taken traceable items. Was there any money found in the house, or was any known missing? It was said jewelry and credit cards where there, both traceable. Could someone familiar with her known if she kept large amounts of cash that was accessible? Possibly in the closet in her room?
I'm sorry but I do believe this is an inside job. Money can buy very professional help and still act like a victim. Furthermore anyone can wear a disguise. Men also cut and paste this could be hired out with the promise of payment at a later date when things died down or he could of had cash money already to hand over once the deed was done. In my opinion there is something her husband is not saying.
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I agree 💯
So bizarre. 😕
So maybe follow the illness, maybe somebody gave her something to cause her to feel ill to ensure she would be home. If they knew she was at home, it could be many people. I dont think its an angry lover. I think she angered someone. It was anger or jealousy. A woman couldve hired a man, if youre focusing on men only you could be missing something. How was she sick? Stomach "flu" or something else? Maybe an angry wife or girlfriend of one of her lovers?
Has anyone considered this is part of something bigger? Did she have something on someone rich? That letter was staged terribly, almost as if a Hollywood director wrote it…
As a long-time member of the Baker Street Irregulars, I don't trust anyone named Moriarty.
😂
It's weird they keep saying how financially well-off he was...but he was renting the house. And it's not really that spectacular of a house.