Is an Aftermarket Intake System Worth It?
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- čas přidán 6. 10. 2020
- This week on Money Pit, we're going with the flow - Air Flow that is. Getting more air into your engine is the key to making power. We're replacing the whole intake system to see how much more power we can make on the dyno!
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Zachs Miata: $11,000 in aftermarket parts.
Zachs Miata: Long wait for a $50 battery.
Batteries for Miatas are pretty pricy if you go with the OEM Absorbed Gas Mat style (AGM). It's like $120 to $150 or so?
@@slandon1977 I recently changed mine. Costed me ~$150
@@slandon1977 you could probably get away with a cheap lead acid lawn mower battery lol its not like it needs a lot of current to start
@@slandon1977 what is so special about the Miata Batteries?
These guys in the comments of this joke are probably tons of fun at parties. I laughed my ass off at the joke, op
Ahhhhh Wednesdays, where I can fantasize about doing all this to my car and then life slaps me across the face :)
😁😂👍🏻
Yeth 👉👈
So true
💯
nah fr tho
"it's temporary" a lie every car guy tells themselves when they do something super jank lol
Yep till it breaks and then your like now it’s time
Every time I put a zip tie in. Then I see it the next time I’m working on it and just shrug
@@bensrants6772 ya, if the zip tie works, it works. Even I have some lol.
"This is only temporary, unless it works."
@@ateamfan42 my old truck has a cracking tube but it’s not broke yet when it does. I’ll prolly steal one off a junk yard truck
Can’t wait for the next episode “why I sold my s14 for Miata parts”
Hahaha a true money pit
"Was it worth it...?"
@@shadowfall2011 yup lmao
James: Mo powah baby!
Zack: Some powah maybe...
Just gonna hijack your comment so people see.
He never showed the area under his operating curve. He could have very well made his car slower with a higher peak power number
James would’ve already LS swapped it lol
@@lloyd9435 almost 500hp in a miata sounds like death
This one wins lmao
LOL
"Is a working battery worth it?"
Come back next Wednesday to find out!!
Lol😂
I crank my car to start
Zach : "Imma put a turbo in this car !"
Stock engine : "Oh god why"
?. Depends what the goal is. 200hp won't destroy it. If you want 400hp go forged.
James: "Mo Powa Baby"
The stock engine: ha yeah that's a funny joke
The amount of oil pissing out answered that question
I didn’t even like the Miata before this series, but as the show goes on, I find myself loving it more and more... well played.🤔
bro get one they are go carts
turbo or pro charge one and they hit 200+hp and they are a blast
also mean little drift machines
Yeah, before I was "It's a hairdresser car", now I want one, not to drive but just to tinker with because it looks like so much fun and for the most part it's not incredibly difficult, expensive or requiring super expensive tooling. Pretty much anyone can get one, tweak it and tune it. That's a lot cooler than the car itself is lol. Plus they do go like a go kart if you make the right decisions.
Same bro. Same
Miatas are shit and no one should ever buy them. Seriously, they're terrible and have no upsides. You're way too masculine and cool to be seen in that gay hairdressers car. Go buy something new, maybe a BMW 240i with a manual gearbox? Or a Supra?
This comment is purely my own honest opinion and is not motivated by my own interests in manipulating used car prices.
@@XenFPV can't afford a supra
Viewers: intensely watching Jobe working on a throttle body
Z Jobe: *sh*ts pants multiple times*
There's nothin' funnier than a fart, 'cept maybe kids fallin' off bikes. I could watch kids fall off bikes all day, I don't give a shit about your kids.
@@CobaltET can confirm.
7:42
@@CobaltET 100%
👌
Me: Wow, they managed to avoid jokes involving "lower nuts", they're getting more mature!
Zach: *farts ferociously*
Lmfao most underrated comment right here
aaa1lsxxxx
If fart humor isn't funny to you you're either too stuck up for your own good or it's time to end it.
Farts menacingly
@@michaelmayo2489 Oh, no worries, i laughed at their farts as much as anyone else here. Calm down, take a sit.
Zach's hopeless optimism is what makes me get up every morning
After that first attempt of 115, my heart broke for him when he just gave a thumbs up like "yeah I'm okay"
I just wanted to give him a bro hug
a couple episodes later "how to fix a boost leak on a turbo 1.8 miata"
Isnt his one a 1.6
@@ariyankhan4337 nope its an 1.8
Zack is actually a grandpa Workin in a busted knuckles garage
@@Blamant i thought they didnt offer the na with the 1.8
@@ariyankhan4337 1993 onwards got 1.8
I live for Wednesdays only. Money pit is where it's at
The best Donut show.
They need to do more DIY garage builds. Maybe a 4x4 one like an old 4runner or Heep
Ethan Hernandez respect
it's the best day for the Miata owners, i bought mine exactly when money pit started, can't explain how happy i am
You Okay bruh? Ethan?
Facts, I always start researching how to do something on a car then the next money pit vid is exactly what I was looking for
"It's pretty impressive that they work as long as they do"
Famous last words.
next episode: "Is washing your car worth it?"
Washing your car gives you an extra 10HP.
Gives good weight reduction 👌
Is a 10+ hrsprs Sticker worth it? 🤔🤣
"Is filling the gas tank worth it?"
@@HomseyDrums nah... wastea too much money 🤣
“It’s not about the horsepower numbers... 😅”
Every Miata guy ever, lmao
Also owners of gt86, Bzr, Frs :D
“It’s not about turning... 😅”
Every Mustang guy ever, lmao
Deelana Sumathipala or dodge 💀
Deelana Sumathipala 💀💀
I feel that as a frs owner
Wasn’t expecting to hear 2 humans clear out their exhaust systems lmao 😂
That was funny🤣🤣
Donut's new segment called Passed Gas.
@@stEFEwonder It's about farts, it's not about cars!
I have the same intake manifold its great only has one weak link, the sheet metal bracket for the throttle cable are known to fail. @DonutMedia Let me know if you want the billet replacement version I made to solve the issue. I have sold over 100 that are out in the world would be happy to get you guys set up with one also.
@DonutMedia, definitely check this out. Seen the failure first hand. David’s solution is top notch and track proven.
These are facts. Mine died on track. It sucked. David fixed me all up.
We need more people like David in the world
Does anyone know what type of thread sealent is good for the fittings on the intake?
Hey man, you definitely should hit Jobe up on twitter and let him know. As someone mention, another option would be to send them one with your information and explanation. You can find their info on their website.
Anybody else getting excited every time zach says “It’s going to be turboed”
Zach : "We're gonna Turbo this car"
stock internals : "Imma head out'
Remember. If you're drag racing it only needs to work for the dyno pulls and less than a minute at a time xD....
Is your name at all related to that guy with a mustache?
Clayton Salvigsen yes, but there is a guy on CZcams, his profile picture is jellal with a mustache and his name is “just some guy with a mustache” I was wandering if that’s what this guy was talking about
@@jessiesratrods1210 if you run anywhere near a minute on the drag strip that's hilarious but he's also not drag racing the miata as far as I know he is doing timed laps which most courses in the miata will take more than a minute or close to it
These engines were used in another Mazda platform and they were turbo’d so they’re pretty reliable on low-mid boost
We’re getting closer to the BIG SPOOLY BOI installment
Or in the case of a Miata, SMOL SPOOLY BOI installation ;)
What are you some kinda BOOSTCREEP?
WANGS BIG WANGS
John Rice this one right here 💀💀
Spooly snail
“This wrench is too big... but look at me using it anyway” sounds about right
Hey Zack, just a heads up. Keep an eye on the silicone & aluminium hoses/ tubes along your air intake. They have a tendency to pop of in small, hard to see areas, if left too dirty, especially when turbocharged. Speaking from experience. This caused all sorts of sensor issues that near crippled the car.
Really enjoying this series and everything you guys produce.
Thank you very much every one at Donut media.
"Aftermarket intake system"
*makes a quad turbo 4 banger*
Each cylinder gets its own turbo, hell ye dude!
I saw that video before on that Mazda I think it was
Laughs in CB Media *Thai Riverboat*
Might as well just Turboshaft swap it
Real men get 1 turbo per cylinder
Zach: "To celebrate the 120hp zone. I'm gonna take this thing for a drive today"
Me: "Sweet, we're off for a spin"
**Video ends**
You bastard, take us with you next time.
This.
People who report this : and I took it personally
Im having a fucked time in my life but these videos help give me something to do and have something to look forward to
I love this series fr. Zach is always super down to earth. Already know how to do most of these upgrades but still love to watch every video.
Zach: "Is getting a new battery worth it?"
Me: "Yes Jobe it is get a new god damn battery."
Lithium battery upgrade? It’s lighter so the car would feel like 122 HP
Lol, I had to jump start my car every day just to move it to get my other car out and I finally decided to get a battery just to save time 🤦🏾♂️
Zack be playing NFS in real life upgrading his car every week
maybe they were on to something...
Every week? NFS upgrades are every couple of hours.
I've never seen anyone spend so much money to make so little power before. I feel like this is actually an achievement in a weird way haha.
When I had a short ram intake my intake temps were always well over 100, The heat soak was real on hot days. Sure it sounded awesome and throttle response was a little better but I put the stock intake back in eventually because intake air temps were the same as the outside air with the stock system.
At this point, just keep putting off the turbo. I'm having too much of a good time watching the Miata's transformation
Ikr like don't blow it up Zach!!
@@hereslookingatyoukid then we just ls swap it.
Maxwell Sabin yeah if it blows up it wouldn’t make sense if they didn’t LS swap it
Leaks would be the main issue on that future episode
nolinaGirlasia.link
When he said “We’re gonna turbo the car”... everyone liked that 😌
*Stock internals have left the chat*
@@liamflynn6929 you clearly haven't worked with mx5's
I seriously can't explain how much I love this series, I'm planning on getting a project miata and goin off these videos and I'm so stoked 💯🤙
Dude this video was perfect. I knew NOTHING about cars and now I'm learning about all the engine parts and how-to's with this channel
I think we can all agree, this is one of the most satisfying projects to watch being built on youtube. It's honest, and like most of us, we add little goodies bit by bit. Keep it up guys!
then lets agree to disagree...
@@ericm7994 What's disagreeable about what he said?
@@TJ-kh2zc 1. its not the most satisfying project. 2. i dont like miatas
@@ericm7994 THAN WHY DID YOU WATCH THIS VIDEO?? 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
I agree. CZcams has plenty channels to mislead people into thinking it's easy to mod or build projects but.... Ya know.... Some people just do some piece by piece over time and are happy with each step. After all- can't walk before ya crawl !
At least when Zach says "Imma put a turbo in there some day then you'll see I swear" we know he will
This is such a good series. I’ve learnt so much from it keep us the great work people
This series (Money pit) has really captured my attention lately...probably because I'm currently trying to put up my car and can't wait to drive again, but it's fun and rather informative too 😅
Day 237 of asking James to do an Up to speed on his Dad
PaganiGaming I seee youu
I am back online in forza
HE BACK!!!
A man of discipline.
Racemax 2020 horizon or motorsports?
Zack : I wanna have a 2 digit horsepower gain
New intake : +8hp *proud*
Zack : DELETE IT I'M GOING TO TURBO IT
I don't know why they didn't just build the bottom end/ valve train. Would have been a huge difference for a fraction of all those bolt ons. You would also learn alot more cause let's be honest most of us don't learn anything on these episodes just fun too watch. Idk built engine less chance to blow it up from aftermarket parts.
@@clutchbleach2057 probably because building valve train or the bottom end is easily 2x as expensive as what they've done. Sure you could buy a set of forged pistons and rods, but to do it right you get them weighed and balanced with your crankshaft and it's gonna be expensive. That's not even considering the very likely probability the cylinders have ovaled a bit and new piston rings won't set properly so it needs a fresh machining. Not to mention a stand alone ecu will be needed if anything is substantially changed in there. On top of all that, the previous mods will only improve the gains of eventual bottom end and valve train work.
The only thing I think they NEED to do is add more gap to the piston rings, than they could probably run 10-14 psi and make 250 whp and run it forever. Idk what the rods in these miatas look like, but I bet most turbo failures on these engines are cracked ringlands.
@@snakeballs8965 Building the bottom is very expensive, but also unnecessary. The motor in the NA/NB Miata was originally turbo'd in a different car, so it's already built out to be turbo'd. NA/NB Miatas do 250whp on stock internals all day long, no need to touch the rings or anything else.
@@jot8686 I would still adjust the ring gap. Especially for a daily driver, rings butting will grenade any engine. And the stock ring gap on these cars will butt in long driving, I saw it's .006-.012 and that is fine for naturally aspirated but anymore than 10psi (provided that 10psi is actually doing anything) and thats time bomb territory. Some people run junkyard ls's on 14 psi all day so whatever I guess lol
@@snakeballs8965 do you mean to decrease the gap with slightly longer rings?
This channel has been so helpful with the upgrades to my car , and Zach does a great job explains and making theses videos great
Love watching your show! About the most entertaining and informative show that I've ever bothered watching!
Love you, love what you do!
Have yourselves a great one!
A year from now: "Is a Turbo LS Swap Worth It?" Now we're getting to the triple digit power gains.
I wouldn't be surprised
Along a long enough timeline it will have an LS swap.
@@FXIIBeaver Ahh yes a man of RCR culture I see.
@@microcar14 OH yes. But truer words have never been spoken. And depending on the set up that could be a quad digit swap.
LS is for babies, real men put v12 in miata
“We are going to turbo this car.”
This should be put on a shirt at this point for all the Car enthusiasts kidding themselves.
But, I am excited for when he throws in the turbo tho.
Haha its true. The turbo project is always the goal. Im finally getting around to doing mine. I set a budget and im just doing it. So far i've spent around $2000 in only a month and still am around $2000 away from a quality setup.
Clesarie : I’m always jealous for how cheap you can get turbos for those lil Japanese cars. it’s the same thing for the brz too. I’m looking at 10K if i want a full kit for my 4.2 Audi S5 😔
Cardi B same for mine (Audi S6 4.2 V8) want to Turbo or supercharge it but it costs too much (but I think we can build in the K04 turbos from the S3 8l or RS4 b5. They will be insane but my auto transmission will hate it 😂😬)
@@davidhenneberg6772 Not always as cheap as you think, for my Skyline (RB20 HR34) it's around 7-8k for a turbo setup on that engine that could make up to 450hp but the cheaper option is to just get a RB25 with a turbo already installed and engine swap for 5k. lol
@@barrackobama6153 You can go as cheap as you want. Its just will it last. I mean hell theres a billion videos of people with $100 ebay turbos and they're still going on years later.
Make an episode on just porting things, like throttle body, heads, intake.
Won't show any gains in this so no point really.
I love these. Its awesome to watch someone work on their project car while im saving up for mine.
"Pretty impressed on how this can work for as long as they do when they look so bad" - Me looking in the mirror in the morning.
CZcamsrs: this mod will only take 3 to 5 minutes max
7:06 Me: 24 hrs later
Me: 3 days and several cut fingers later
Yeah because most CZcamsrs live in California or Florida and don't even know what rust is
Me trying to get 18 year old corroded bushings out of my old shifter assembly so i can install a short shifter.
yeah no shit.. air intake you need to go to ecu to adjust for more air intake.... you won't try unless you need clear air..
Know that feeling all to well
"I'm on my last nut" I'm dying laughing I'm so immature
Also.. MegaSquirt sounds new to me but im burst laughing to hear that. 😂
Buying a 97 Miata in November super excited.
"We're gonna turbo this car" - Did you learn nothing from Hi-Low?! Lol. Also this is the best series on donut so keep doin it!
The issue with HiLow was that they rushed the turbo job. Zach seems to be taking a much more careful and methodical approach to turbo-ing his car so he shouldn't run into the same issues.
Hi-Low are too rushy, they didn't even address the reliability issue comes with 350z and straight up adding all sort of stuff
My dad supercharged his 350z and had a mechanic do it and it took them a week but it’s been three years I think with no issues, yet.
What I’m saying is if you don’t rush it and do it right then it’ll be fine
@@Leon98Leo yeah I never took into consideration the fact on how fast they put the turbo on since they got the car.
I like Moneypit so much that i want my week to be :
Wednesday
Wednesday
Wednesday
Wednesday
Wednesday
Wednesday
Wednesday
same
Yay, we finally got the before HP #s at the start! That's what I was really wanting to see if there was any difference at the back of my mind.
Love when money pit drops a new episode kinda bummed I fell asleep before I could watch it last night. Waiting on my “first 4” sticker! Love you guys! Keep doing the amazing work you do! I love how much effort you all have been putting into dropping content lately. Thanks to the whole Donut staff for another excellent week of production! Be kind!
“Don’t worry, we’ll add a turbo later” every episode
1:52 "So the first thing is always first" - Zach Jobe
Now these are words to live by
Properly functional and home built looks better than store bought to me any day. Good job.
Can't tell you how much I learn from your videos, thanks a ton!
1:52
"the first thing is always first"
-Jobe 2k20
I’m gonna take a guess and say that you probably must have a car first... right?
Much love, your friends at Rev Media!!
yes, that does help😅
Rev Media its you again...
Gotta love this videos every week. Always hyped to watch them!
I know I'm a week late I missed this one
Wow I really like how you guys present these upgrades on the car
Zach has slowly became one of my favorite dounut members so smart and car savvy
For anyone who messes with cars at home, if you have high pressure fuel lines (usually GDI engines) you can't just pop them off like Zach does in the video. His lines where anywhere from 28-50 lbs of pressure. High Pressure lines can be up to 2200lb+ on some cars and the stream of fuel out of those at that rate can laser through your fingers. Old cars have at it, you just get some fuel spray.
Good safety tip there's a lot of young guys and beginners watching these
Can't wait for an episode of porting. Would love to see a rotary engine within the money pit series.
This thing is becoming increasingly amazing...keep it up
The intake manifold is sickkkk🤩🤩
the looks alone might be worth it
@@Donut yeah..sice it's getting a tubo on it for sure 😄
@@Donut what's needed for a maf delete?
@@Donut careful when you guys boost it, if you have to change alternators like most of us.
My Kia Alternator 12v post touches the bottom of the first runner when I need to install/remove my belt.
Sounds stupid but its something you have to remember in oh shit moments
I’m so glad that I’m watching this while
It’s happening not 7 years later,feels like watching a reality show.
car: 2500$, Power: 100HP
Mods: >5000$, Power: 119HP
That's true love right there.
It's not even about making power anymore.
never was. just working on your car and what’s inside is what really matters 😏
Great content, thanks for your time spent on us (viewer's) 👌
"It's all too easy to get wrapped up in the numbers you make and it's honestly not about that." Yep, sounds like something somebody making 120hp would say... lol
This sound like it came from an insecure truck guy 😂 not even tryna hate just read this thought that and saw the pic
Lmao. Spot on. This is exactly what someone who did all that work and spent all that money to gain 3 hp would say. Which is statically within the realm of air temp changes. The other 5 hp is from the megasquirt remapping.
Well it literally isn’t about that right now. If he had already turbo’d the car you’d see huge gains. It’s so he can have more bhp when he does turbo
Hey and my civic sport agree.
@@arthurerby2466 nah, just poking fun. That Comanche is just one of the 5 vehicles I have. I own 2 cars as well so I'm not necessarily just a "truck guy". Also that Comanche probably makes about the same hp as that Miata. 🤣🤣🤣
Just take the entire hood off you'll improve your airflow by 100%!
_And also remove the lifespan of your entire car_
:D
Weight reduction too!
I love u Justin
Rare Justin spotted
weight reduction bro
"The first thing is always first." So true.
just found your channel and I'm watching everything piece by piece. My playlist is dope, you're in good company, cause you guys are good. thanks for not just flashin ferraris in our faces. I appreciate your upgrades because they look like mine do. I appreciate the regular guy feel. Typical supercar youtubers dont check the boxes that donut does. looks like donut actually keeps it real. I'll take that. Mo powa be nice babeh! Peace
I feel like the conclusion of this series should be an engine swap, the ultimate moneypit upgrade
"Follow along on a journey of taking off 25 year old miata parts!"
Me: *looks teary eyed at my 66 AMC Rambler* yeah, me too Zach
laughs in 66 mustang coupe😞 that’s been with 7 other people
It sure sounds sweet, though!
It is fun watching these after their latest vids!
Get the NB miata IAC valve. It's integrated and doesn't require external piping/hosing. The skunk manifold makes a way bigger difference when turbod.
I would love to see dyno graphs as you’ve added parts over laid onto each other. Maybe peak numbers aren’t changing a whole lot. But maybe mid range could have bigger noticeable gains
Yes please!
i just bought my first car, a '95 civic. and jesus christ, i kept rewatching all of the money pit episodes as a guide for my car. and its very helpful! thank you so much. no bs. getting ready for all the upgrades so i can get the #mopowababy in my honda!
Thats sick dude, wish you luck on your project!
@@sidthesuck4128 thanks man!
is it injected or carburated?
Nice man! First car should you cherish. I'm really sad I couldn't keep my first car!
On the side note, have my first scooter still after 4 year. Was a 50cc got another engine, now 80cc. No helmet, going around 75/80 km/h. Restrictions in my country is that it has to go 25 km/h😜
Don't forget security. Like a kill switch and other safety measures so it doesn't get stolen.
rich "gibby" your tuner saved me! He is an amazing tuner and saved my wrx from disaster because of a previous owners in experience. Thanks gibby!!!! from utah
It would be nice if you showed more of the test drive part. Watching the car improving and your first impressions on the added powa would be all that's missing. Love the show!!
I don't own a car but I'm learning so much. Favourite donut day of the week
This man is an extremely knowledgeable car mechanic and a welder. Props
I love these videos. I didn't know their was a skunk 2 for a na 90 miata
Love that high horsepower hot air intake you got there when will tuners ever learn WOW
Clicked within a minute. Love this show so much
4:40
Me, seeing myself in the mirror every morning
me too
Money pit still probably one of the best ones so far and Zach is good at explaining stuff.
The thing about each power mod, its multiplied by other power mods. If Intake manifold gives you 8% power increase... then say you add a header that gives you another 8%. But put together they will be more than 16%. Because each power mod is made more efficient by the others. Its like getting a catback without a header. The catback cant flow maximum because the stock header restricts it. Likewise a header cant flow maximum if a stock exhaust restricts it. They both make each other more efficient when combined, giving each part a higher individual power output. if i put the same intake on my car, which already has an exhaust system on it, i may see higher than 8% increase, because he can only get so much air in the combustion chamber when he cannot clear that air as fast via exhaust flow. Personally i think for that reason exhaust should come before intake, so you maximize the flow of spent gases before you maximize the flow of incoming gases... in my mind you would cause inefficient burning of fuel, restricting power and gas mileage, and fouling spark plugs over time
next episode: putting a 5000 hp Proline Racing engine in a Miata. is it worth it?
No
who remembers when they told us the price, the pro's and cons, and special take note things about the specific mod?
It's probably already been mentioned somewhere in the comments, but you're going to want to replace that TB bracket on the IM with something thicker/stronger ASAP. It WILL bend/break eventually.
Also, you need to drill an extra hole to relocate the butterfly spring on the TB so that it will close completely. It will close fine for a little while, but eventually it'll get to where it won't.
Use red loctite on the 4 TB screws. I've done this TWICE and one of them STILL begins to work its way out eventually.
There is a .5 plenum spacer made for the IM. When you get boosted, you'll want it.
More in about all of the above mentioned things can easily be found with a web search.
These literally make my day better.
So how long is “it’s temporary” for y’all, cause I know darn well it can be a minute for me
I've been running "temporary" breather hoses in my Subaru for 6 months now... just a bunch of random cut hoses i found in my garage....
If it works it is no longer temporary it has become permanent
@@pickcameron those suckers are permanent now haha
A good temporary fix just gets promoted to permanent fix status over time 🤠
Nothing is more permanent than a temporary solution :D
Always quality videos coming from Donut. I was never one for cars and what was under the hood, but after I started watching HiLow, I was hooked. You guys at Donut have been making it enjoyable for me to educate myself on all things in the motor world. From Up To Speed to Money Pit, I've been able to learn so much and its thanks to you guys. Keep up the good work, and I cant wait to see the turbo install 🤙 #MoPowaBabeh
"this thing needs a battery so bad it's annoying" I felt that😭
You know you're a real car peep when you put your parts on the top of the garbage/recycle can. Love it