$30 vs $500 Intake | CASH vs TRASH
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- čas přidán 9. 05. 2023
- Do POD filters make power? And do you need to spend the cash or can you make your own out of PVC pipe? Today we're going to find out!
In this new series, we'll get an expensive intake system, and a home made system, then get an expert to decide. Along the way, one car will modified with loads of cash, and the other one will be modified with parts found from dumpster diving, recyclers, second hand parts or the cheapest parts we can find.
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Really sad you guys didn't shit all over this K$N overpriced garbage and talked about the fliter. Super disappointing, this comes off as you're worried about upsetting them for future sponsor spots. There was nothing good about this product at all.
if you use Gray pvc 636 which is for high temp furnaces would work for engine bays for an air intake
Blair you forgot the lifetime warranty for the K&N pod filter.
I thrashed my filter and got a new one for $0 dollars strate from Corona California.
Marty is correct, if it sounds good it's going to be good. That homemade hot rod plumbing work every time. Just add a some pantie hoses to the pod for extra filtration. 👨🔧👨🏻🔧
Could have painted it black tho
Does Scotty fit in those cars? 😂
For 500 bucks, that K&N is a shame. 50 bucks for the filter, 50 bucks for the hardware, 400 bucks for the brand.
It's insane indeed, my intake replaces everything to the turbo, is mainly black powder coated metal with welded on brackets for easy bolt on install and uses silicone pipes for the bends and was about 300 euro
I fee years back I bay KN filters kit for 150-180 eur that is nuts
I would argue it's platform dependent. If it's easy to fab and pipe yeah K&N (and arguably every other CAI kit) is a rip off. But if you're in California, part of those $400 for the brand can also be applied to having a CARB sticker so when a cop pulls you over you can tell them to go fuck themselves. Course that only really works if you're in CA
Agreed, what a joke. Shite filtration just to rub salt into the 500 dollar wound too.
Absolutely. You can get an intake made for the car from a japanese brand (like Injen or HKS) for that price.
That K&N kit is straight up insulting for that price 😂
absoult joke 🤣 said he was keeping prices resonable 😬😬 surely theres another known company that isnt overpriced like that
to be honest most things K&N make are a joke lol, really bad company who make sub par filters that dust out engines
That is a Joke for $500.00 a piece of Dryerhose a small pod filter and a Adapter.. big time Joke
Most k and n come with aluminum piping and a heat shield to keep temps down. What he got is straight laughable for that price
Especially when you can grab a much better greddy kit for less
The TU5JP4 engine has that kind of intake to reduce induction noise. The best thing to do is actually keep the stock airbox, get rid of the resonator box, remove the fog light and add an elbow to get fresh air. The cup cars used this system
Is that the Suzuki or Peugeot engine?
@@phuzz00 Peugeot
Peugeot TU family of engine trace back to the glorious 205GTI
@@mathieugillet monsieur, the 205 gti has an older type of engine. The XU engine. The 205 (1.3) rallye had a TU24 if im correct.
@@matthiasrietveld3559 my bad, you are correct.
Marty is immune to pessimism about his air filter. He had all the answers in the bank.
And those answers were "race car, mate"
Haha won't be racing if it's wet.
That K&N kit has to be a piss take how can they sell a filter and some a/c ducting for $500 😂
Because it’s k&n and because we live australia we’re our dollar literally 3rd world compared to the rest of the world
@@ThatWogGuy1 yeah it blows my mind how expensive it is in aus golf r costs Ferrari money
@@K20XRL 100% i live in canada and our dollar so slightly worth more but are cars ARE way cheaper. golf R in Aus new 80k canada 50k unreal........ my K&n on my GLi is WAY nicer and was 459 CAD and has nice black wrinkle piping with a engraved K&N logo on it. sensors and 3' Filter and metal heat ducting with rubber seals for the hood.
That’s about the same as the uk where I live, however our wages are garbage the same job I do here in the uk, in the us and Canada pays double my salary here if not more
K & N pulled a SONY and sold the name without the quality.
Marty needs to get a small rattle can of black spray bomb to give the $500 look to His clod air system. A K&N filter & His would be just as good. 😎👌 $500 for Moog's setup was a rip off! 🤯
Just look at that close-up at 1:44, absolutely disgusting quality at that pricepoint.
Yeah pretty expensive, but also Aussie Dollars.
Clod air system 😂 I know that's a typo but it made me laugh nonetheless.
Watching Scotty with the boys is like watching Gandalf with the Hobbits!! I'm really liking these upgrade shorts, keep em coming
They should have Scotty stand on something next time he's standing between them.
And I believe that Marty and Moog are above 6'0 ft so scotty is basically a giant.
hehe shorts
K&N shows this kit as $250 on their website and that is still WAY too high for what it is
Likely USD pricing. I just checked and it shows $440. Either way it shouldnt be any more than $150 aud
The cold air hose is also delightfully small. I don't think you could really do anything with it.
The filter quality even looks like shit. K&N is a joke.
Austria dollars are basically worthless tho so it sounds more expensive
@@georgeoliver8300 Australian dollar is about 70 US cents, plus all products sold in Australia have 10% GST included in the price. None of this say one price then add taxes on at the end business that the US does. Products sometimes end up cheaper in Australia than the US somehow after those considerations.
This might be a series where MCM coming closer to it's roots. Rather than all these dare I say expensive projects. And I like it
agreed
really refreshing and fun series, would be cool to see driving tests in each episode too
As they mentioned on the last video in the comments. If they was to do it at the track it would cost way to much money to do it that way.
@@kylebolton3427 perhaps even an drive on the road and report back on the general driving feel as a result of the/each respective change
@4Layers OfStrength yeah I mean reasonable but If they was gonna do that they would of thought to do it at the beginning.
disagree - this is a really poor series so far. Ripped off donut medias idea and replicated it quite poorly, should be called Lo - Lo car.
@@KiwiPhil. still more fun to watch mcm than donut media 😁
More than enough scrap in the 180 catback to put a good "trash" system together with Marty's welding skills.
Huge props for mentioning the "cost of maybe less filtration" in the video. So many times that aspect is overlooked and/or not mentioned. As you mentioned, these are race cars but that will make a difference for someone running a daily considering buying one, especially in a dusty climate.
The only thing i would've changed with Marty's improvised run is swapped the 90 he's holding at 4:36 for two more 45's and a bit of straight pipe. That way the air doesn't need to make that narrow 90 twice. If you improvise this kind of stuff, it's good to avoid narrow 90's as much as you can, same rules as house ducting, but... in pipping for liquids, you don't need a soft 90, so there's none to buy (not at that size anyways).
Also, PVC is perfectly good for the engine bay, by the time it melts, your wires are going to short on account of losing the insulation. One can step up their game and go with fire proof piping, used in modern buildings. That stuff is even higher on the melting point, and decent if you happen to pass near something very hot.
I can see, Scotty is someone you both really look up too.😉
I'm absolutely loving this series! Short sharp episodes being real about your expectations and talking to people who know their stuff! 👍👍👍👍👍 Five thumbs up!
I love how Tuning Fork called Marty’s PVC craft project a “custom intake.” So much irony there.
Actually shocked you went with that junk instead of a Simota intake system for the Swift after putting so much emphasis on getting actual JDM parts in previous videos. The Simota one is similar price to the K&N but at least keeps the intake side at the front of the vehicle and is properly shielded as well.
With as much as they talk about getting jdm parts, I'm very surprised they haven't touched a single thing from Monster Sport yet. They are the king when it comes to the Swift.
Yes I think the lads have been mucking about with other intake instead of research and Dyno this round. Or they know it's just daft and made a token gesture of it?
I'm going to guess, It's because they have never heard of it. They are basically going with what they know thats available locally.
I had the option of fitting a pod filter to my Eunos but in the end I just drilled a few 50mm holes in the airbox underneath the filter for added induction noise and left the standard filter in place. Made zero difference to the power but the extra noise made me smile every time I pressed the accelerator. And after I fitted a new exhaust and manifold I couldn't hear it anyway so I'm glad I didn't waste any money on it 😂
The one positive to the replacement intakes that few people mention is simplifying the engine bay and added knuckle space. Makes access to other service parts like headlights so much better. Just my 2 cents.
As soon as the vibration causes Marty's pipes to come apart glue won't be so expensive lol
I could listen to Scotty all day long. So knowledgeable and calm. 😊
🤮 you never listened to really smart engineers I see
I'm loving these!!! Even when this series is done i think you should continue this type of content
Pod filters is what brought me to CZcams to research them and that original video was my first experience with MCM. Never stopped watching.
Thankyou Mighty Car Mods!!! Love your work ❤
This will be interesting alright. Moog could have just dropped in a K&N panel filter for cheaper. It would be interesting to compare the K&N pod filter versus panel filter
I concur. That's exactly what I do with my own cars. Lose the resonator box and extra tubes and slap a K&N panel filter in for about $60 USD. Great sound and a slight increase in revving quickness due to less restriction.
I'd put m money on the panel filter and if the air box was a known restriction put some extra holes in it and seal it from engine heat
Marty's plan of attack reminds of the good ole days back in the 2000s where there wasn't a whole lot of aftermarket support so you made your own parts
It is amazing to be able to watch this from the US. I ❤️ youtube for allowing me the opportunity to watch and say great job, thanks marty and moog, i love ❤️ your show!!!
500 dollars for flexible hose? Are we sure Martys setup was the trash here?
Marty you need a strut brace on that 206, they flex terrible, massive improvement.
The biggest thing your gonna find is those wheels are to big and mess with the gearing for the underpowered engine.
Lowering the back is very hard work but so worth it, those torsion bar axels give a lot of lift off oversteer.
I've spent most of my driving life and mechanic careers with Peugeots and know the characteristics of them.
Also I can honestly say fuel makes a difference, if you have total petrol Un aus then use that it makes a difference.
Hope this is helpful
Best thing to do with a Peugeot is drive it into a wall and go get a better car.
@@sideshow4417 in the add..
@@sideshow4417 which are won the 2002 wrc championship again ??
@@sideshow4417 ducktaping your body straight to a front bumper
sadly, but they won't listen good advises( look how do they behave them with a parts of this Peugeot. They hate it and try to make it worse every single time just to tell at the end of a series "look at this piece of french shit. we tried, but it's still a piece of shit. let's burn it down"😢
I cracked up at the first rev of the PVC system. Next step: create a car orchestra, tuning the PVC pipe for pitch 😂
Drill some holes and make a sh17 recorder!
Get "That 1 Guy" and I'm sure he'll make a sick ass sounding intake out of PVC.
Hyped on this series ! 👍🏻
Keen to see what you do with the exhaust! Loving this vid series
Ooofff Moog got had by that $500 "kit".
cool snorkels by the best 4wd channel on youtube :)
This series is great so far! I would also love to see what you guys would do with some American cars (C6 Corvette or Holden Commodore perhaps)
I love these new segments boys, keep em' coming :)
Marty should look into a k&n drycharger bag. It covers your filter and is supposed to keep mud and water out of your filter. It isn’t waterproof, but is hydrophobic so if you splash water it won’t get past it.
I know you have that video of the air intake testing but I'd still really love to see just how much worse the air intake temps are with that k&n.
Absolutely loving this series
Loving this new series!😀
My god, I never realize what a massive human Scotty is!
Absolute Unit.
Welcome to the internet
i remember when spending $300 on an intake system was like the premium tier
Oh Moogs face after his revs… and how quick the transition to end credit- hilarious
Learning so much from this series!
Man I’m disappointed in the tuners analysis of these after market intakes, he hyped up the hot air K&N intake with lots of turbulent piping, whilst roasted the true cold air, smooth, long tubed pvc intake.
Was installing the appropriate K&N filter to replace the factory filter and keeping the factory designed piping a considered option?
I could listen to Scotty pour knowledge all day!
This series is refreshing
Genuinely think you'd have been better off just changing the panel filter for a high flow one. Modern intake systems are generally far superior to anything you can buy off the shelf. There's a few different systems for my 208gti and in a comparison test, all the induction kits currently available lost plenty of power over stock and the k&n and pipercross panel filters had a marginal gain.
Honestly loving this series. An Aussie HiLow. Thank you lads
I swear Scotty keeps growing. They had to zoom out quite a bit for this one. Love you guys
A DIY tip for PVC intercooler piping is to fill a long length with fine beach sand cap off each and leave it in the sun on a hot day or help it with a hair drier and then bend it to the shape of your engine bay let it cool then remove all the sand and presto, you have no joins. The sand prevents it from kinking so you'll have even diameter.
Hard to believe it would work with that diameter. Sure it works for computer cooler hard tubing or greenhouses, but here the pipe wall thickness to kink size ration is not on your side, as the plastic needs to stretch around the kink and there simply is not enough of it.
@@siffoine this was 2009 p plates in West Australia with a 94 rs legacy, phat China front mount and high pressure pvc and orange underground conduit. I ran 14pound with a td05 -18g, it held for long enough (5 months of p plates) for me To track down a oem water/air. Gave the pipes to a guy at a liberty meet in Perth in 2012 so they could live on.
Holy crap I knew Scotty was a big bloke, but he makes Marty and MOOG look like manlets. Is he 7 feet tall?
I think he said he's 6'9"
Loving the series!
loving this series so far kinda makes me want to get a swift
This suzuki is normally rusty pies of ..... Peugeot 206 xs is the best fwd 1.6 cars of 2000s . Brakes 283 from 306 gti-6 cup exhaust manifold, close ratio from c4 diesel camshafts from 106 s16 and this Suzuki Shitf is gone .
I can see it now… 20+ episodes before the showdown!!! Looking forward to each and every one ✌🏼
Used a piece of PVC and a Donaldson filter on a 95 F250 with 7.3 had almost 400,000 miles. Sounded great and ran well! Never any issues with dust past the filter in any of the intake.
Air velocity matters greatly in an intake. If you stick a 3 inch intake on a 2 inch TB, all the air is going to get turbulent at the choke point and hurt performance. You'd be better off running a 2 inch tube on a 2 inch TB. So if you slap one of those $20 ebay intakes on your ride, chances are it will be nice and loud but no gains or worse, loss in power. I did this with my 96 Infiniti G20. Went from stock to ebay intake, felt sluggish, put the stock tube back on with the pod filter, and got power. Then I read an article about intake air velocity and flow and decided to make my own intake. Went to Pepboys and got intake tubing the same size as the throttle body, drilled my own holes and it definitely felt the best of all 3 combos. Never tested it on a dyno or anything but there was a noticeable difference between the 3. So now I'm pretty selective when picking out intakes.
I really enjoyed the Peugbong in the intake track. Very cool Frenchies.
Patented French water bubbler filtration technology
lol, thx for sharing guys. great vid as always
Removed the stock air intake system on my vespa, added a K and N pod filter. Definite increase in power and it sounds awesome!
We actually made a snorkel very similarly to that. We used a bit of pvc out of the bay and hooked it up to flexible downspout that we ran from the pvc up the a pillar. Worked great, sounded awesome and for a fraction of the price it was all we needed for a mud truck
It's also extra street creed for the mud truck.
Love this series!
enjoying the series, can't wait to see if marty goes straight pipe on the exhaust
PVC exhaust maybe? :D
Hahahaha I have been a mate of Billsy's for 20+ years and I had totally forgotten about the pvc intercooler pipes 😂 they actually worked
The PVC takes me back to like 2004 in high school with my Saturn lol. Always trying to make a slow car faster, going to my friends him and I would each build intakes and stuff and change them for different designs and stuff. Good stuff mate
For about $65 I took out all the intake baffling from my Civic and put a small section of exhaust tubing in between the stock airbox and the stock intake snorkel plus added a K&N pad filter. Sounds awesome and definitely breathes better
Cant wait to see it finished :D
OH MY GOD I LOVE THE PVC INSTUMENT SOUNDS
Project Farm made a comparison of drop-in filters including K&N and while they do open up the airflow a lot, they're actually pretty poor in terms of filtration
Marty's $50 special hands down because the filter isn't getting hot air from sitting above the engine, Moog's "CAI
" pipe is "hopeful psychological" at best. I made a PVC intake that never failed on my old MX5 track car, which also lasted longer than any RB engine that was in my street and track R33 boat
I currently have an mx5 nbfl, what would you say would be a good intake setup?
My favourite mcm series in ages
I’ll forever watch mcm, you two don’t need go into the “CZcamsr mind” of over the top thumbnails.
I met moog many many years ago at an auto barn near dural, he was so bloody nice and I hope I can catch Marty in the wild just like that one day.
What a tease, i feel ripped off without the dyno results, makes me not wanna click on any more trash vs cash
I made my own intake for my BH Subaru wagon (US Outback) out of ABS pipes and rubber joiners. I used the factory 'air horn' that feeds air from just above the radiator, bringing in cold outside air, then made a straight run to the elbow to the factory airbox, eliminating the extra bends and intake mufflers. Sounds better, better throttle response on tip in, and seems to improve torque pulling longer grades. Importantly, though, I did this 12+ years ago. It is still holding up. I also still have the factory ducts, if I got crazy and decided to put it back.
One of the things I enjoy. The products you are buying with the cash car are budget friendly.
Donut media has the Hi-Lo series. But high price cars parts are not in the realm of possibility for most of us.
I enjoy that you are still trying to be as consumer friendly as possible.
I did my mx5 with what i already had and bought a pod filter.
I have created 3 separate cold air ducts to feed the filter area.
Nice 206 RC seats you got in the background 😉
I wasn't expecting that response lol 😂
For my 1UZ-Nissan D21 swap I used GM intake pipes and box from the junkyard. $108USD for everything including clamps, box, filter, and MAF. GM used the same intake and filter setup for engines rated 270hp-320hp so it should be a good match for a 1UZ with bolt ons. I really like the oem look.
I went to an exhaust shop and had them bend exhaust pieces for my turbo ducting. Worked extremely well and cost about $80 for the old air and both pipes from the turbo to the intercooler and intercooler to the intake hat.
I'm glad to see most comments agreeing the expensive system is junk.
The PVC would be just as good if anything the tube would flow better not being convoluted you could even buy a K&N for Martys for like $100.
Moogs filter was tiny. You can get a similar SAAS kit for like $60 with convoluted tube and pod in a box.
Finally, an expert that makes Marty and Moog look short!
In my corolla from the same era I just popped in a K&N filter that fits in the factory box. I don't think it does all that much but sounds nice and chuffy.
Always seen scotty sitting in cars, he’s a giant!
i love it when Scotty immediately have an opinion when seeing marty's creation but decide to shut it.
Orchy! Now that's a blast from the past!
I did also put a pod filter on the 206(not for HP but for fun) it just fits perfectly on the stock inlet pipe no need for the extra piping and no need to get an adapter for the MAF sensor if you wanted to do it real cheap. Sad I just got rid of my 206 few days before Marty bought his
Fantastic video.
I like the PVC tube music while making the trash intake 😂
:) That Peugeot 206 sounds nice after the filter swap!
The piping for the K&N filter was a surprise
When the track is hot in summer, Marty's "cold air" won't be so cold 😂
Best part of the day
I have build my own intakes many times.
Ku&an filter, so I don’t get shit in my engine, then built the pipe work and heat shield myself. 🤟🏻
Danm Marty that smart ass. I love that the expert telling u but u telling him no puddles there mate bahha gold
Marty's "custom" intake has some clear advantages in the pod filter/intake design, It's construction is PVC, very smooth surfaces and slightly less bends comparing to the stock intake, The filter pleting is plentiful compared to the K & N, and the stock filter, Main problem lies in the bends of the 90* elbows in the PVC setup, Air doesn't like to change direction abruptly and will cause reversion upon coming up on the corners of the PVC, Plastic is a somewhat a good heat insulator so the cold air will remain somewhat cold.
Moog's K & N setup has few disadvantages, no pro's i can see, aside from the K&N name plastered on the pod filter, The negatives are the corrugated tubing, this causes turbulence in the intake ducting, bad for power, The K&N filter is a tad small? and the filter pleting is close together, choking the engine, oh, forgot the other disadvantage, the $500 price tag.
Regardless, there is no such thing as a "Superior Performance, superior filtering air filter"
You can only get one or the other.
Filter less = more air = More power, BUT less air filtered so you get dirt and dust in the motor.
Superior filtering = less power = cleaner intake air.
Just some thoughts watching this video.
Something interesting to research on also is: Intake sonic pulse tuning,
something i didn't cover in my long paragraph, read up on it, it's interesting.
I believe that's what Scotty might have been thinking of, Intake runner length can be detrimental or quite a powerful tuning skill to have.
Regardless of what i wrote, it's been a while since i heard Moog's *I N T H E B I N*
Scotty the Viking next to Moog was like looking at Dwane Johnson and Kevin Hart 😂