“Sport has gone woke, you need mental toughness!” 🏉 Warren Gatland | Up Front
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- This is Up Front with Simon Jordan. A show brought to you by William Hill that pulls no punches and tells it EXACTLY like it is.
This week we are joined by one of the most successful rugby coaches of the modern era. Warren Gatland has won multiple Six Nations Championships, coached the British & Irish Lions but his toughest challenge is just around the corner…
On the eve of the Rugby World Cup in France, Warren joins the show to discuss the current state of Welsh rugby whilst also giving an insight into what it takes to coach on the elite, international stage.
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00:00 Gatland Intro
00:59 Gatland podcast starts
01:20 What made Warren Gatland
03:48 Southern Hemisphere vs Northern Hemisphere Culturally
06:43 Not playing for the All Blacks
10:26 Was Warren a natural born leader?
14:35 Leadership in the society we live in, in 2023
18:46 Losing 10% of his squad through injuries
20:05 Coaching at 26 years old & coaching values
30:38 Being coach of British and Irish lions
34:12 Eddie Jones
41:24 Returning to Wales
51:00 Respect in Rugby
54:22 How much is Warren Gatland relishing the World Cup
Mr. Jordan, please let your guest finish their own sentence.
Thinking the exact same thing
It's comical how often he does it 😂
@@WelshDragon256 The guy is the beneficiary of ridiculous levels of nepotism. His whole raison d'etre is to occupy the space and be average like his buddies. Their worst nightmare is that some nobody, who isnt controlled, hijacks his spot and actually does a good job. That would show up him and all his crew.
100% RIGHT!!! JORDAN IS A TERRIBLE INTERVIEWER FOR THIS REASON. I’ve made the same comment on so many of these podcasts! He needs to watch interviews by the great, and recently departed, Parky!
@@WelshDragon256 It’s driven by his massive EGO!!
A more honourable and honest man you couldn’t wish to meet. We are privileged to have him as Welsh coach. Great interview Simon.
As a Welsh man I'm obviously biased, but I'm so proud to have this gentleman as our coach and thankful for what he's done for the sport and our country.
At last some rugby!!!!
Proud to call Warren G a fellow countrymen. A human being who lives and breathes the kiwi values. Good luck in France, you deserve all the good that comes your way.
I'm a Scot, i'm 52 & have always been a massive All Blacks fan. I have the jersey. For a country with a population smaller than ours to have been so dominant & feared over the years is amazing. And i've never met or even seen an arrogant nasty Kiwi. You must be so proud to be one. I've never delved into how the rugby team have done it over the years but i'm guessing rugby is drilled into you from a young age, right?
what about wayne privic, 🤣
As a Welshman I love how he keeps saying we when referring to Wales, honorary Welshman
The moment with Eramus (sic) making the comment about Wales' toughness and desire has brought tears to my eyes. Great stuff, much like the rest of the interview. Da iawn Warren, da iawn!
Thats what a lot of SA fans think.Never underestimate Wales.
Really enjoyed that! Gats has done so well over the years with Wales and Lions. World class coach! (England fan)
you cant forget about edwards as well, incredable combination
What a fantastic interview. Thanks so much Simon.
As a welshman I'm thrilled we have a coach like Warren. He has really bought into Wales and even when he left in other interviews he was still using the expression WE when discussing Wales, even in the current tense.
He never left :)
As a Welshman it’s great to have such a great man leading our rugby team. The nation has to get behind Warren and the boys in this up coming World Cup. Wales can cause some upsets and get to that final against the odds.
I don’t see wales in finale . All blacks boks France … are better
😂😂😂😂
I honestly think Simon was the most fasinated and intrigued by the rugby mindset when it comes to respect. I would love to see him interview more rugby personalities
Another great interview Simon 👏 Have to say Warren has completely changed my opinion of him. As an England fan, that's not how I perceived him. It's always nice to find someone who isn't how the media portrays them. Top bloke 👍
WG - what a bloke!
Brilliant delving into another sport,very interesting characters in rugby union.we need more of this….
When the Lions toured NZ in 2005, I was working at a bar in Wellington. We had had 15,000 Barmy Army cricket supporters here a year or so before. Before the Lions came it was (well I ) believed there was going to be 50,000 "Barmy Army" (sorry, but they were often complaining types!) coming again and I dreaded it. Well I was totally wrong on that, the Lions supporters weren't the England cricket supporters at all, far from it. They (the Welsh in particular) were just great people, just like us, loved their Rugby and down-to-earth people.. We were sad to see them go. I can see why Gats, an ex-Moo Loo would love Wales, and why Wales would love him. Great interview, great man, --- NZ represent!.
What a wonderful man!!!👏👏👏👏👏👏👏🙏👏🙏🙏🙏
That was great, listening and learning from Warren.
Hearing him say how he is prepared to be challenged, shows a great level of maturity and even handedness.
Keeping Woke out of rugby is going to be difficult. It is evident as to how it is deeply creeping into the game through the unbalanced distribution of red and yellow cards.
Being woke is not the insult people think it is the word means having empathy for people worse off than yourself and who are attacked for being different sexuality colour etc the word itself has been hijacked....
What a wonderful interview. Much appreciated.
Fantastic interview, no bullshit, just intelligent and revealing conversation. This channel is excellent.
Wow! What a great interview I loved this.
So many things to take from this. Accountability being the first. Honest conversation with Honest people.
Keep up the good work.
The football referee question was great. 👍
So pure truth. So simple, great coach
Warren would help you lift your game!! Certain people completely change you! He will do a young Welsh team no harm 👍
Brilliant, would absolutely love some more Rugby on here
Looking forward to this. When are you going to interview Sir Nick Faldo on "Up Front" There are so many questions around Professional Golf right now!
Absolutely. A guest made for this show.
Faldo?? Why him? He’s irrelevant now
@@pauloneill914 Yeah, right 🙄
Excellent guest and interview
Wise words from Warren G.
These interviews are fantastic both ways !
Brilliant interviewer. Subbed.
Best podcast so far we’ll done Simon Jordan
An absolute gentleman. Gats thanks for coming back for one more crack at it with the WRU. Obviously I’ll always back my team - win, lose or draw! But I feel if we can make it out of the group stages at the World Cup anything can happen. Especially with a man like Gats steering the ship.
We are now on the cusp of that.
Cymru am byth !!!!
Thankyou v much , again !
This is one of the best of these interviews
Will be interested to hear Simon's knowledge of rugby. It never seems to get covered on talksport unfortunately. Should be a good interview
Im sure his knowledge is unrivalled, same way it is about every single other thing he waffles on about
Great interview, some really interesting points around "Woke", not sure Simon was right about this in terms of progress / reset. Mental health is very important but Gats is 100% right, elite sport is a rarefied environment and is tough both physically and mentally. If you are not up to either element, you are not qualified to compete. The players need support and assistance but it has gone too far. The same can be said in business.
Superb guest, very down to earth and interesting. Good job Mr Jordan
As always , outstanding! Top man
Quality stuff this, full of insights into top people through relaxed chat.
Love this podcast… great guests and Simon is great and easy to listen to. Top sports podcast at the minute anyway
British and ‘IRISH’ Lions please Simon 😉
Excellent interview
Such an enjoyable chat!
It has been genuinely interesting listening to your interviews with Lawrence and now Warren. Thank you for the quality of the depth of questioning…… however, please stop interrupting the interviewee when he is trying to answer you, as we miss the detail of what is being spoken.
Keep up the good work, all the best. 😁
What a podcast, wow bravo
I love this guys ability to align himself with genuine achievement in those fields. Piss poor
@Warren Garland - what makes a great coach is adaptability. Living in a woke world is not an issue (and yes it can go too far) but those who can adapt are smart. The fact that you can evolve to being a manager in a woke world speaks wonders to you humanity and leadership. Good leadership is being able to adapt - that is the stuff of wisdom.
P.S - the reason why the reference to “girls” is no longer acceptable is because it was used in a derogatory context back in the day. Understanding the power of words is key to adaptability. It is not a weakness (or BS).
Proud Kiwi lad 😎💪. Growing Rugby World wide.
Great video really enjoyed
Love gatland!! Absolute legend
Fair play that was one of the best podcasts I've ever seen, Well done Simon. Also good to see you are still holding Eddie Hearn's feet to the fire AKA drug cheating in boxing.
Oh Gats, we've missed you so much. Please stick around post World Cup!!!
Another great show 👍 Would love to hear from Faldo or Monty if you ever do a golf show, or Linford Christie for Athletics.
In Warren we trust 🏴.
Great content
10/10 interview - took so much away from this one gents. Thank you.
Very enjoyable what a tidy fella gatland comes across as, get sir Alex next Simon
Love how Simon is slagging the press for misquoting just minutes after saying Bottlejobs regards England when clearly Gats hadn't used that phrase.
Great interview Simon - please get some rugby league people on too
Wonderful interview ! All questions answered without fear or bullshit. Thank you Simon for the challenging questions asked in a relaxed atmosphere and thank you Warren for the openness , the honesty and insight of your answers. One of the most enjoyable and informative interviews I have ever witnessed. Da Iawn. ! Well done to you both !
funny how gatland mentions the press' tendecny to paraphrase, right after simon says he used the term "bottlejob", a term gatland said he never used
Simon = top LAD proper clobber
More Rugby please Simon
More rugby stuff please!
Please let people talk for themselves it can be so painful when you keep cutting over them Simon!!!
Do William Hill still offer pocket racing diaries ? If so, how can I obtain one for 2024 ?
I think it was a really interesting question how you asked about taking time out from Wales for the British Lions “How does that suit me?” For me, that’s the difference between being a great manager and being a great leader. Management would be selfish (stay here with me) Leadership would be, this is bigger than me, you go and live your dream. Denying him that would be wholly wrong.
Great interview with a successful and well respected man. I wish Mr. Jordan would stop finishing his sentences for him though.
Best quote we've over achieved gats born again welsh man, I wear a Al black shirt when new zealand play too ....
Gatland: why do the call it test match rugby? Its a test of your physicality...
Jordan: it's big boy stuff
And big girl's stuff too
Simon cuttin thru that nonthense
Nail on the head within the first few minutes. In NZ sport isn't elitist. Union and Cricket are in this country unfortunately on the whole.
If Martin Johnson had lined up the wrong side in croke park he would not have left the country alive
i could of course be wrong, but i imagine you’d get very very different answers to these same questions put to jacques nienaber, rassie or siya.
Nienaber would say exactly what Rassie tells him to say.
WITHOUT DOUBT, SIMON JORDAN IS A DREADFUL INTERVIEWER, CONSTANTLY FINISHING THE SENTENCES OF HIS GUESTS AND INTERRUPTING THEM.
SIMON, THE INTERVIEW IS ABOUT YOUR GUESTS, NOT YOU. PARK YOUR EGO TO ONE SIDE AND LET YOUR GUESTS HAVE THE FLOOR. WATCH THE GREAT AND SADLY RECENTLY DEPARTED MICHAEL PARKINSON TO SEE HOW IT SHOULD BE DONE!
Without doubt you are ignorant and envious. The reason you are not hosting the podcast is because you aren’t even close to Simons skill set
Gats our man, he'll bring a welsh side together again. May take 2 years but we'll reach the semi finals if we get out of our group , we're a better side the world think .we won't deserve that we're building but this side of the draw we could and knock england out again. ...
The English rugby team are indeed known bottlers. They have lost more grandslam finals 9 and three world cup rugby finals. They are the only team to have lost a rugby world cup final more than once. The evidence speaks for itself.
France lost the 1987, 1999 and 2011 finals (notice how those dates are all 12 years apart, and now realise 12 years on from 2011 is 2023...)
Get odriscoll on the show
The best coach that Wales had .
Football is divide and rule for me. Get us all pointing the finger at each other..... Its how the UK built its empire.
Had a gents evening with Gatland so I know he speaks well generally.
A very silly comment & demonstrably false correlation between “woke” & “mental toughness” though. Jordan does nothing to correct him just nodding along like a gormless fool.
The literal definition of “woke” is “having or marked by an active awareness of systemic injustices and prejudices, especially those involving the treatment of ethnic, racial, or sexual minorities.”
Nothing about mental toughness.
And again, anyone proudly stoking these pathetic culture wars & declaring themselves anti-woke, do they really realise what that says about them? Specifically being pig ignorant &/ or racist.
Few would disagree that mental toughness is required in elite sport. It’s required to get through the challenges of life, let alone elite sport.
But people who suffer mental health episodes are often extraordinarily mentally tough people. The documentary of Ben Stokes is an incredible demonstration of that. An absolute beast, yet reduced to a shell of a man. But the beast returned. That’s real mental toughness, bouncing back from the lowest point you can reach.
Countless elite sportspeople that are the very definition of “mentally tough” have suffered from mental health issues.
And just to clarify again, “woke” has zero to do with mental toughness.
www.dictionary.com/browse/woke
Good luck warren tidy books
It’s funny the most contact sports boxing & rugby the fans sit together where the semi contact sport football the fans are segregated
It's every man for himself at the boxing pal
Ends end by going back to family values ...... his own
Always slightly had it in for Warren for scoring for Waikato against the Lions in perhaps their worst ever performance!
Welsh rugby needs to WTFU.The future is not bright. The Ireland model somehow needs to be incorporated into Welsh rugby...
Welsh rugby doesn’t have enough elite coaches at 15-20 year old age group.
I'm in a real quandary....hate SJ, love WG.....what to do?
Yep, can't listen to it....Jordan just interrupting constantly......STFU!!
Got to get mental toughness says a man who couldn't get out of Australia fast enough after failing
I was really looking forward to listening to Warren "the guest" speak, very boring and predictable interview so much so, that the "interviewer" predicted every sentence that Gats was finishing. The "host" finished every one of them off with pride. Maybe that is the difference he asked about between the 2 hemispheres. Skipped the intro, got to 10.15 and i was done.
I really like warren in interviews but I don't know why Simon Jordans interviewing skills were so bad
Vinnie Jones on this would be amazing 👏
Nah, these programs are about Elite Sportspeople, Mr Jones was never even close to that.
No he wouldn't.
Not being funny he’s country has gone woke
Ironically I found this quite funny.
@alta8029
I wish that it had. The world would be a better place.
The reality the Overton window has moved to the right, and getting fascist adjacent.
@@alta8029 A word nobody understands what it means and should be ignored.
@@pencilpauli9442you've been brainwashed I'm afraid, or you are lying. conservatives are being arrested for praying silently, and for defending themselves or their property against crime. Pc culture has meant you can get fired for using the words phaggot or retard to a friend, or for even supporting right wing causes on social media. The government now supports the mutilation and grooming of children, the biggest movie of the summer (Barbie) includes about 10 references to the highly radical concept of "the patriarchy" which exposes the creators as being extremist. I mean the trump legal witch hunt is evidence enough that the left holds all the power as does the rishi sunak coup. Nobody believes you as we can see with our own eyes that the world is going woke and unless it's resisted, unless we stop people like you from indoctrinating the young then we will continue to get dominated by the woke.
@@alta8029centrism doesn't exist, name me one ideology or set of beliefs that belongs in the "centre" category as opposed to "left" or "right" category. If you think that you're centre then you are probably slightly left with a few right wing opinions, or you are slightly right with a few left wing opinions. People who describe themselves as centre either don't know anything about politics or are uncomfortable in sharing their true beliefs. Either way it's a cop out and should be avoided.
He likes his antipodean word...
Couldn’t agree more with warren, rugby is soft now. Can’t get the entertainment and big hits we used to get, as a result quality of rugby is worse now
“Common sense” is unfortunately not at all common in the 21st century. 😢
Jesus christ did this guy just learn the term antipodean
I wish to f#ck that people would stop using the word 'woke' as some some kind of generic derogatory term for weakness or namby-pamby behaviour. Woke in its modern usage means being alert to, and concerned about, social injustice and discrimination. How the f#ck does caring about the wrongs of the world stop somebody being as tough as nails on a playing pitch??? Sorry about the language but I'm seriously pissed off with this sort of behaviour. I'm old enough to have seen how feminism was mocked and derided as just being about burning bras. I would expect better from a public figure like Warren Gatland.
Farley is far more entertaining.
Even this guy is better than the clown 🤡 foster to coach the all Blacks !
🛎 end
@@davidpeters3857 fortunetly . Welcome To scott robertson To continue the all blacks domination.
@@drisszyani3497 silly little boy,you’re not even a kiwi
It's all to woke, and that's why he has 1 win in 10 six nations games or something
I wish rugby had gone "woke" years ago! I love rugby and played it for years. I always had a big problem with this "We might fight, but we leave it all on the field and have a beer after" nonsense. Rugby was full of disgraceful behaviour back then. This "rugby respect" was complete smoke and mirrors. The British & Irish Lions disgraceful pre-mediated fight with Australia in 1989 and Rob Jones/Finlay Calder's assault on the brilliant Aussie scrum half - You call that a game steeped in respect? I know it has different problems now with big heavy impact players, but I certainly have no desire to ever see off the ball incidents and fights of old ever making a comeback. I'll have woke over that any day of the week.
I think you are mistaken, woke doesn't mean polite or soft, woke is a reference to a set of radical, far left beliefs that have become common in certain sections of society since 2014. The closest that rugby has got to being woke is the disgraceful kneeling during the 2021 lions tour or the WRU banning Delilah. I'm all for respect in the game but the last thing I want to see in rugby is politics, even if I agree with it and share the same views. But I especially wouldn't want to see radical left wing politics given lip service at the rugby. That would truly make it woke and would ruin the sport.
@@d.jparer5184 Thanks for reply. Yes, I am aware that woke is about ideas. But, is it a bad thing that coaches are no longer allowed to F and Blind at players? That shouting at someone in training to go back in and put on their high heels is now considered unacceptable? Similarly, what's wrong with insisting on calling roles "Chairperson" rather than "Chairman" or "Kit Manager" rather than "kit man" if it helps attracts more women to the game? Rugby (like football) no longer puts up with the bad attitude player. They guy who's a bad influence, poisons minds, or is a trouble maker. Similarly, it no longer wants the toxic coach. Surely all that's a good thing for everybody? I certainly don't ever want to see our sport become like another sport which is proudly the opposite of all this. Look at The UFC where their professional mouthpiece Dana White and the large roster of fighters happily swear non stop, call each other derogatory terms, and give brain-dead comments to interviewers which often involves telling whoever it is to "F-Off" if its a question they don't like to the loud acclaim of the audience.
@@JSL2000 it's a good thing if it works. If a coach doing that creates a toxic environment then he should be fired, if it works and they win then he should be given a raise. The high heel comment is still seen as acceptable by the majority of the population. Only woke people would have a problem with that and they are a vocal minority of the population. Yes we are not changing the English language because extremists have issues with it. Kit lady is a term that already exists and you can say you are the chair as a de-gendered way of saying chairman if you insist on that but chairman refers to both sexes anyway. Just because you want the game to be polite and welcoming doesn't mean we should adopt radical left wing talking points about language and gender.
@@d.jparer5184 I'm not looking for the loons to take over! I used to hate the woke crowd and thought Prince Harry had become a joke. But, sometimes within the messages of the woke element is a good 10%-15% which would actually do everyone the world of good. Nobodys calling for the term hooker to be banned in case it offends prostitutes! It's simply a desire to reign in some people who hide behind being a "Big personality". There is no hard left trying to take over etc. Remember years back we were all accused of being health and safety mad? Now we have outstanding health and safety. Those people were also called nutters and kill joys.
@@JSL2000 That's a reflection on how much power, for better or worse, the players have now. They can get coaches sacked if they don't like them. Literally zero to do with woke.
There's an interesitng convo to have about the topic that is, as usual, being ruined by people dragging politics in to something that has nothing to do with it.
Left and right wing players can get coaches sacked if they don't like them or how they are being talked to if they have enough influence. It's a bi-partisan issue, ha. And as the internet shows, being salty and sensitive is also bipartisan.
So bored of people constatnly moaning about 'woke'.
Its true tho mate,the only folks moaning about the term are usually the ones who are that term,which makes me wonder about you to be honest
Hahaha it's hardly moaning 🤣 the majority of people are opposed to your radical ideas and don't want to live in a country run by you lot. You're the one who's moaning because people like Gats and Jordan are finally saying it how it is and not cowering or staying silent in the face of a bunch of emotional snowflakes crying every time someone doesn't agree with them and trying to get them cancelled. That's it though isn't it? You lot don't try and debate or win the battle of ideas, you try and bully people into not criticising you by getting them fired or attacked. So of course you are annoyed that anyone would even dare criticise anything woke because you don't want to debate people with different views, you just want to shut them up.
@@StewartEvans52 the only time I ever hear the term mentioned at all is when some boring ballbag is whining about it. It doesn't exist.
@@StewartEvans52 Or maybe people are just tired over it being thrown around so much it doesn't mean anything. Players have too much power, they are too precious, they don't have any resilience. WTF does that have to do with woke? Woke used to at least be attributed to a certain political stance.
Most sports players don't have the first opinion on anything outside their bubble let alone a single political stance that would be called woke haha. But apparently being overpaid, coddled kids now is classified as woke?
Let's be real though, it's actually people living in their culture war bubbles that want to apply their culture war arguments that they have with their culture war friends to everything in life. So when the players are acting like primadonnas, we'll throw woke at it so we can confirm our own little narratives.
@@Shatter84 well seeing as woke is anti-masculinity, it involves policing language by getting people cancelled, and they tend to not have a sense of humour or any resilience. That seems pretty woke to me 🤣 The only people who say that woke doesn't mean anything or that it only means nice things are woke people themselves. People who aren't woke are perfectly happy to articulate what woke means if you would only care to listen...
Good coach, but he has a poor record with the Lions. Such a waste.
Wait for Farrell 25
@@brianboyle2681 Can’t wait!
He drew a test series in NZ. Everybody else has lost down in kiwiland accept the great Carwyn James in the 70's.
Not a poor record. Won in AUS. Drew in NZ and lost in SA during Covid. Look at the results pre Gatland.
No he doesn’t, won 2013, drew 2017 and lost in 2021.