Leinster Bias or Deserved Spoils? Rugby Pod Discuss IRFU Model
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- čas přidán 15. 05. 2024
- News broke last week that All Blacks Superstar, Jordie Barrett was heading to Dublin on a six month sabbatical. Couple this with announcements of increased IRFU Central Contracts within their squad and the announcement earlier this year that they had recruited X2 Rugby World Cup Winning Springbok RG Snyman from Munster and ugly comments were circulating around IRFU Bias toward Leinster while the other provinces were being left out in the cold.
Jim Hamilton & Dan Biggar discuss their thoughts on the Leinster recruitment situation and the IRFU model managing their clubs and international setup.
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0:00 Nobody saw that coming!
2:07 People don't understand the structures
06:00 Broken Record
7:43 They've even got a jet! - Sport
Ah lads come on. Leinster do not own a jet.
Citijet were a sponsor up to 2016 or 17 if I remember correctly and part of the commercial detail meant they could say they were the the ''official airline of the leinster rugby team''
Yeah nail on head. I'm pretty sure at that time Citijet was owned by Ross and Harry Byrne's father so he had one of his plane's with Leinster livery.
Although I love Biggar's idea of Tadgh Furlong flying around in a chartered Leinster jet eating caviar.
Yes - he was CEO.
Pat Byrne is CEO of CityJet who were a sponsor of Leinster so I'm sure they got favourable charter rates but they certainly didn't own their own jet 😂
@@theramblingirishman1 It's actually called Nepotism and a conflict of interest (for daddy and son Byrnes) in other countries that have laws for fair business practices. Tax breaks for players and no caps on top of that? No investgation into that when travel expenses are a huge expense line item for any team is an eye opener actually. Did two other no 10's lose out on spots to the Byrne kids is my other question.
@@bunnychowmuncher what are you smoking ? He’d have to have hired his own sons into Citijet for any kind of insinuation of nepotism to exist. A sponsors ceo can’t force the IRFU or Leinster rugby to field his kids as players. They are there on their own merit unless you can point out otherwise.
And where does conflict of interest come In? Throwing phrases around that you have zero understanding of might feel cool for ya but if citijet paid Leinster a boat load of sponsorship money but forced them to field inferior players, not win as much and then get less brand exposure ? Totally makes sense.
Bigs is a very good addition to the team!
Bigs needs to focus on his rugby contract with Toulon.
His insight to the game is supererbb
@@Lightcycle55went back to nz as had a baby
Who was the NZ guy ?
@@matthew-tx6is Andy rowe
Bigs and Jim killing it yet again.
The reason Jordie Barrett wants to go to Leinster is to see behind the scenes, How good is the coaching with a world cup winner and the youth system aswell he probably looking to get into coaching after he is finished playing,
Everything isn't about money lads.
ROG did the same thing as a manager with the Crusaders.
Also the central contracts, Nobody was complaining when munster had the majority of them back in the day.
It's simple if you develop world class players in the youth system they will eventually get central contract Calvin Nash is probably the next Munster player to get a central contract anyway
Yeah he’s defo gonna be taking notes at a furious level.
I don’t think Munster ever had the majority of contracts, certainly never more than 2/3s.
In the 2000s every player that regularly played for Ireland had a central contract (there were about 25 at any one time).
For some reason they reduced the number of contracts (probably as wages went up) to the point that today they only have 13 and next year 10 of those will be at Leinster.
His family has links to Ireland, specifically the province of Leinster, so that's a factor.
Biggs is a great new member, articulate, and great analysis on each topic discussed 👍
That's a really good point Biggs, when Munster signed christian Cullen etc when they were winning everything no one complained then!
I think we did a fair bit of complaining about Christian Cullen if you weren't paying attention 😂
It wasnt that long ago when munster had the most players on the central contracts.
Munster need to contract a few big names ( 2-3 guys )
@@derekobeirnes482 we need NIQ front rows, IRFU have been shooting that down for 5 years+
This has to be one of the best RU Podcasts going currently - Jim Hamilton & Dan Biggar are able to engage in discussions about related topics with a more balanced approach than many of their podcast peers. There's always a touch of humorous banter to leaven contentious issues. Keep it going guys.
Officially an Irish Biggs fan, comes across as sooo honest, informed and intelligent... keep him
Dan Biggar is a great person to have on the show ! All you need now is an Irish pundit and you got yourself a great British and Irish lions podcast team in time for next year’s tour !! 💪💪☘️
This Croker sell out within hours does not reflect Leinster support. My next door neighbour and his buddy bought tickets. They go to the Dublin games, never been to a rugby game before. They’re going to go as they’re familiar with the ground, and the pubs, and the transport, it’s a day out. I’d say 50k are Leinster supporters and the rest are event junkies. That’s fine and Money for rugby, but it’s not a reflection of Leinster supporters.
Well done lads 👏 Great to see some can have an objective opinion and realise this success was not born overnight. Leinster have built #FromTheGroundUp… wasn’t too long ago Leinster were perennial losers and we were watching top names go to other Clubs, investment into other Clubs stadia etc… long may it continue 💙
As a leinster man.I don't begrudge any province doing well.I have supported all provinces when the do well ,it a irish thing.
Not in Munster, apparently. Those lads go to Leinster games to cheer on the opposition, just like with La Rochelle. Only the Munster fans pull this move, nobody else.
@@dashingeduardosuarez sounds like you are someone begrudging Munster 😂 so only Munster and Leinster then😂
@@kookvision9295 Munster turn up to our games to support the opposition, and I 'begrudge' them because I pointed it out....this is your logic?
Yes pal, this is really a me problem. I'm the one fcking up.
Dullard.
Munster threw 3 million at Snyman and De Allende. Maybe they should've put that into coaching instead of constantly having the hand out whinging
Munster fan here, I agree boys, you guys really have your fingers on the pulse! Leinster deserve their success, jets etc
First you get the money. Then you get the power..... then you get the Wooommmeeeen!
Dan the man is absolutely continuing the world class form from playing to now being a brilliant commentator. 👏👏🏉
Its worth noting that the Barretts have family in Leinster - Their dad played rugby over here and they went to school and lived in Co Meath. He cited that as one of his main reasons to choose Leinster - not 100% a commercially driven move
I don’t think anyone in Ireland has a problem with Leinster doing this, but what is the IRFU thinking.
Having just told Munster they have to get rid of Snyman for the good of Irish rugby, they then ok Leinster signing him where he will also take an Irish players spot.
They have previously told Ulster they had to release Pienar and would be looking to stop Frisch playing for Munster as soon as he gets capped for France.
Allowing the Jordie Barrett signing in light of what’s gone before is a head scratcher
You are allowed three non irish qualified players in the squad. Munster couldn't keep Snyman as they already given the contract to Klyen. Same will happen with Frish.
So you’d prefer he go to Bath than Leinster. OK well that says a lot.
@@mow3186 I’d prefer Osborne, Frawley, Pendergast and all the other talent at Leinster get a reasonable amount of game time.
@@darrenbyrne5465 It’s not just a three player limit, without Snyman Munster only have 2 NIQ players until Frisch gets capped.
It’s supposed to be what’s best for Irish rugby, like Pienar wasn’t allowed re sign because the IRFU only allows one non IQ player per position across all provinces (minus Connacht) and Leinster signed Jameson Gibson Park who wasn’t qualified at the time.
The point is to try and maintain the top 2 players in every position as first choice at one of the provinces , harder when Leinster already has the top 3 in some positions like fullback where Barrett also plays.
Henshaw, Aki and McCloskey are all over thirty, the next players in line are at Leinster and they are now going to have to give up game time to Barrett next season and worse, it will be in the big games where they really need it
@@peadarrThey’ll gain from Barrett being there. Like Elsom, Thorn, Nacewa etc.
What other club team could sell 82,000 tickets in 24 hours??...none
Munster
Toulouse
I think the Croke Park factor really can't be underestimated here. Lots of non Leinster fans will be going because it's such a special occasion. I'm a Connacht fan but I'm going just for this reason. I imagine Munster would also sell it out quickly.
And fyi, tickets sold out in 3 hours not 24 lol.
@@cilliandineen4862Correct. And 65,000 of them were sold in 30 mins.
@@cilliandineen4862 I'm a connacht fan too and I'm in the same boat as you. Not too often rugby is played at croker.
Croke Park sold out in 3 hours... 3 feckin hours lads, I missed out by 15 minutes. Ahh well, pints and shouting at the screen in the pub will make up for it :)
outrageous. Enjoy mate 🍻
Same.
Technically 30,000 tickets were bought by the season ticket holders in the presale the day before. It was the other 50,ooo-odd that went in hours.
your point remains the same though. Its impressive and you know that the atmosphere will be something special because its the fans that got to buy them (Saints and Leinster).
I got kicked back in the queue 7 times and refreshed a dozen times to get seats…. Finally got decent seats with great view on the field. But what a nightmare… ticketmaster is a strange thing.
It's not that Leinster are favoured etc, it's that the current Irish model rewards success. 10 players one central contracts as opposed to one in each of the others.
Leinster are favoured though. Connacht finished ahead of Leinster in the past and Leinster still got the champions cup spot ahead of Connacht. Years of these types of decisions by the Irfu help keep Leinster development
@CZcamsMy-kg3ho Connacht won pro 14 and Leinster got Hensahw, Munster won URC and Leinster get Snyman....
Yes its good to reward success but to give the people you are rewarding expense relief so they have more cash is not fair as that creates a snowball effect. Dublin is also Ireland's largest city way bigger than Galway for example so it has to be weighted.
Affectively Leinster get 10 world class players in the cheap, and get an unfair advantage over other European clubs
@@jakeclough8090 Agreed. Regardless of businesses or professional sports teams, you have to let Capitalist market forces between clubs dictate the outcome of where people play and who they play for.
Social democratic ecomomics like the Brazilian Government did with Embraer or the Canadian Government did with Bombardier never leads to the most optimum outcome long term and failure in most cases.
If Leinster has a conveyer belt of talent they should not lock in the likes of Dan Sheehan who now stay for their entire careers as it creates a bottleneck of players who go elsewhere if they cannot advance.
Its fantastic for Leinster now but they may regret this later on.
Im so Impressed with Dan Biggars knowledge here, hes absolutely nailed it....really good addition to the team. Really look forward to what he has to say and his punditry. Hes spot on Leinsters USP has been their academy system and the talent theyve been able to develop from around the province. Leinsters system also now provides players for all the other provinces to allow them to be able to compete also. And the other provinces ar far more guilty than leinster of big name marquee signings Ulster: Vermulen, Pienar, Piutau, Francois Louw, John Afoa, Kitsoff, Munster: Christian Cullen, Jim Williams, Rg Snyman, De Allende, Peter Saili, Fekitoa, Howlett. Connacht Bundee, Mils Mulianina, Cordero, Vainikolo,
Munster need a prop. They asked Ed Byrne he said no and he is going to Ulster. With all the bullshit with the Cork heads flying LA Roc flags and the sneering after the french won. And zebo saying they are bred to hate leinster no leinsterman wants to play for them. They have a few. Salanoa and Loughman via usa. Jager via NZ. Tadhg Beirne via wales and Joey via a gun to his head. Leinster players would rather play for english clubs than munster and its their fault.
Yeah theres very strong anti leinster sentiment in munster. Zebo flew that flag very high
I often see a lot of immature stuff out of Zebo on social media. Liking anti-Leinster posts / pro La Rochelle etc. That's all good if you aren't a current player but it just comes across so childish from him. He himself took a payday in France (and good luck to him!), but does he cheer for La Rochelle when they play Racing?
The difference is, when Munster were top of the pile, there were 25-30 central contracts available. The most we had was 10. Leinster had 7 at the time. We've been blocked for more than 5 years by the IRFU from signing a foreign loosehead/hooker. without that we don't really stand a chance in the ERC. We also don't have the concentration of intergenerational wealth in our schools because most of the money in the country is on the east coast, it also hasn't helped us that the IRFU turned their backs on the AIL as a vehicle for developing talent. Thankfully, we're finally bringing through some real talent in our academy, unfortunately they're not part of the Leinster+ Irish system and will have to wait longer for their chance, just like Crowley and Nash had to rely on injuries to be given their chances.
You can thank JVG for any delay in bringing young talent through.
@@ronanmolloy1210 I don’t buy that, lads weren’t ready. Crowley had his first caps under JVG, including HCup starts and interpros.
You’d think Munster is the province where something special could be done to really create a few centres of excellence in the historical clubs to redress the Leinster school system advantage. As you say, the IRFU deprioritising the AIL while fuelling Leinster is a double blow to Munster
@@brianboyle2681 that’s the plan with the centers of excellence. One is being built in Cork, another in Limerick. There are more planned elsewhere. The money that was previously used from wealthy benefactors(1014group)to privately fund players like DDA and Snyman is now being used for these centers, as is money raised from different fundraising activities worldwide.
Just way smarter people running Leinster behind the scenes than Munster & Ulster. Deep strategic and smart business plans. Munster was losing money for a long long time., even when they were winning trophies.
That laugh at the end started to turn into an oh shit moment lol
Man Leinster haven’t signed a top class international in years. Gibson park wasn’t even first choice for a couple of years at Leinster and Lowe wasn’t rated as highly as other wingers in NZ. There’s literally nothing immoral about a team choosing to buy a couple of overseas players when their squad is primarily built off homegrown talent. And that’s what Leinster have done over the years. There is usually one or two at most but there has been a structure in place for years restricting Irish provinces from having over 3 overseas players in their match day squad at once. Yet you don’t wanna talk about the luxury La Rochelle have with their gigantic budget and the heaviest pack in the history of the competition. But when a team full of players born and bred in their province beats a beefed up galactico team all of a sudden it’s time to tear them down instead of applauding them. I didn’t hear anyone complaining about Toulon and La Rochelle turning the Heineken cup into champions league with the amount of imports they have. I’ll tell you why. It’s because you’re jealous of the fact that Ireland is a tiny country and has perfected their school system in Leinster. Just admit it😂😂😂😂
Tickets actually sold out closer to 3 hours than 24 incredibly. I managed to nab a few but my group is still 2 short 😭
The Leinster accademy is the key to the success but it took years of development and its out there for every other club to emmulate their system. Leinster club rugby suffers when players are out as they are playing for the national team and one of the reasons that the accademy system was develped. Leinster do not have their own jet, its chartered for some away games and the public can buy seats on it. Do Leinster deserve what they have? Most certainly yes because it has taken years of hard work to get them there.
The leinster acadamy is the school system funded by multi millionaires, leinster just happen to be the local team
OK. This is going to be controversial, so get a glass of Jameson and get ready. Bordeaux Budget is in excess of €30 million. Leinster are not in competition with Munster or Ulster, they’re in competition with the big French teams. Leinster need to strengthen to compete, if they leave the others Irish clubs behind, such is sport.
Very good point, they've outgrown domestically and there competition is in the French league, this as you say is how sport has gone
As a Munster man I agree, Leinster need to do what's best for Leinster. If things like that are needed for them to be competitive for Europe then I'm all for it. The issue I have is not with Leinster at all but the IRFU, look at the whole Heaslip central contract extension (which he deserved) but Donnacha Ryan told he was too old (4 days older than Heaslip) for a new central contract. Why is it that the likes of Sexton keeps his central contract until retirement but POM is told he has to lose his after becoming captain etc. The only thing about the Barrett move that annoys me is other provinces have and are being blocked for players even on a limited basis like that. Again these aren't Leinster's problems, they need to do what's best for themselves
As a Munster fan I'm bitterly pissed off about the run of luck we've had with players eg Snyman 2 cruciates and jumped into a barbecue FFS.
I can't be annoyed at Leinster though, they have the money because most of their players are centrally contracted to the IRFU so that effectively takes them off Leinster's books freeing up money for signings.
Munster had the same situation , de Villiers, Dougie Howlett, Mafi, Tipoki , Christian Cullen, BJ Botha.
You do know the Barret boys grew up in Ireland. Father was a farm manager somewhere in Leinster.
Munster fan here, Leinster earned where they are, as Dan said, in the 00s when Munster and Ulster were up there for Heineken Cups Leinster played ground work for their future, they aligned most of the private schools with them so the top talent could step in to the team.
With respect to all other clubs around Leinster and their talent are prob the most underachieving team in the last 10 years.
I havent lived in Ireland for about 15 years so haven't been completely up to date but I remember before I left Leinster were just starting to take over, (the famous Sexton ROG incident).
Leinster produce the best players through their system. They have utilised their schools & academies to their full potential and they did it without any help from anyone. They put those structures and plans in place 20/30 years ago and it’s now paying dividends & succeeding. It’s up to other provinces and clubs from other countries to match them. 40/45 of their entire squad is from Dublin/Leinster. And the entire academy is the same. That’s absolutely remarkable really. Leinster supply a huge chunk of players to the national team but what people are forgetting is they supply all the other provinces with a bunch of players to. There’s like 10+ ex Leinster players playing in Connacht and similar with Ulster. Two of Munsters best players Tadhg Beirne, Joey Carbery are from
a Leinster. People forget that. It’s not Leinsters problem that they have figured out how to succeed. Others clubs need stop being jealous and focus on their own business. Simple as that.
As Dan Biggar said, it’s a numbers game. They don’t have sufficient numbers playing rugby at school level in Munster or Connacht to match Leinster and they never will. So suggesting they just copy Leinster’s lead is a bit harsh and unrealistic
@@jb5572 Maybe that is the case but that’s not Leinsters problem. Munster have enough schools and clubs and population to develop a successful culture. They won the competition twice when their system was working better than everybody else’s so I don’t see why they can’t get back to that. There’s highly successful clubs in world rugby with populations less than what Munster have and they achieve huge success so that’s not really an excuse. They also have 3 big stadiums to choose from.
@@jb5572 thats down to Munsters pathway system not doing enough to attract more numbers into the game. density of population or not - there are always multiple sports competing for the interest of talented young athletes - Its down to the relevant development officers etc to cement rugby as the sport of choice for these kids. I would contest there are more competing interests for kids closer to the capital
Leinster had Felipe Contepomi playing 10 against O'gara for years
The thing not discussed here is the advantage Leinster have in their budget by having the IRFU pay the salaries of all those Leinster players on central contracts. Totally deserved for the players but this gives a huge advantage to Leinster. Who already have a conveyor belt of talent coming up from private fee paying schools that have rugby coaches on 6 figure salaries
That would suggest the other teams need to follow Leinsters example in producing talent from schools / age grade. The lads being handed central contracts are a direct result of Leinster putting the work into their pathway system and now its bearing fruit. Munster in fairness to them are on the right track with the likes of Crowley, Evan O’Connell, Edogbo, Rhuan Quinn all likely to be centrally contracted in the future - they are just a few years behind Leinster in terms of investment. The new money being pumped into a centre of excellence in Musgrave park to compliment the new facilities in UL show that munster are planning on competing with Leinster in terms of pathways
Biggs is a superb rugby pundit. Fan from 🇮🇪
Leinster having the luxury of cashing it in, from playing in the Aviva multiple times a year as well as not having to fork out big wages to people in their squad on central contracts. You can bet if they had to pay the entirety of wages for those players, as well as a ban on playing in the Aviva, their success would plummet.
That sell out was a mere 3 hours! I know, because I could only get shite standing tickets because I couldn't get to my PC early enough!
Think a lot of it is just down to Leinster not having to pay any wages for most of their first team while the other provinces struggle financially.
Nobody begrudges them their success as their development system is the best - but to have the governing body pay those wages smacks of a team having their cake and eating it.
All that money they didn't have to spend on wages can go into making the gap between Leinster and the rest even larger.
Because the CC players are gone for majority of season Leinster have to have bigger squad, so their salary bill is much bigger, anlso, not all Leinster Irish players are on CC, so they loose more salary players to Irish duty than the others. Ulster and Munster have their front line players available much more, it’s not Leinster fault they don’t get enough out of them.
@@mow3186 I do understand what you are saying but they're not gone for the majority of the season, even in this RWC year.
And even if they are there really ought to be a downside to not having to pay 5 million quid in wages (or whatever the figure is). That money can be used to plug gaps with international quality replacements when the Irish players are away. But when they're not away they have 2 top players for every position.
What team would turn down the chance to have the best players in the world off the payroll but still playing for them? At worst you just get another player for positions you need to cover as it's not like you were paying a salary in the first place for that position.
Again I don't begrudge Leinster this success, but all the excuses about why it is fair that Leinster should have the best players while paying the least wages boggles my mind - and I'm trying real hard not to come across like I've a case of sour grapes.
@@MrRedsh1rtBecause they produced those players. And while people say it’s easy with the schools system, it’s really unacceptable that the likes of Munster and Ulster have produced so few top class players over the past decade. As a Connacht fan, I know how tiny our pool is so I accept that we have one CC. But Munster should be able to do more. Munster haven’t produced a centre of test level since forever. The last Munster (produced) lock to play test rugby was O’Connell. Munster aren’t providing a first or second choice front row at the moment.
Leinster have advantages but they’ve really done most things right. It wouldn’t help Irish rugby to hold them back.
I’m not sure you understood my points.
1. Not all Leinster players on Ireland duty are CC. In fact the majority are not.”, there were 19 at a recent camp, thereafter, putting aside the CC player, Leinster still have more players on their books that go into Ireland camp. Leinster loose more players that they pay for into Ireland camp than the other 3 put together. JGP would be an example, he’s only just got a CC contract, before that, Leinster was paying him while he played more games for Ireland.
2. Because Leinster loose so many players that they pay wages for, into the Ireland camp, they’re not available for Leinster duty, so all these Leinster players not on CC are in the Ireland camp, Leinster need to pay for extra player to cover, so they’re paying double to put a player on the field. This does not happen for the other 3 Irish teams.
The idea the Leinster are creaming it with the CC’s just doesn’t stand up.
@@mow3186 And the simple answer is, produce a better 8 than Doris, a better 13 than Ringrose or a better TH than Furlong etc. etc. and your team will have the CCs in a few years.
The one arguably unfair aspect with Leinster (speaking as a Munster supporter) is the central contract system whereby the salaries of most of Leinster's team are paid by the IRFU, putting the other provinces at a severe disadvantage.
How is that unfair though? That advantage/system is available to the other provinces too. Leinster made a conscious decision years ago to pump money into their player developement infrastructure which means they now produce the players that earn those central contracts on merit and as a result reap the rewards. The goalposts are the same for Munster and Ulster (Connacht are different as they are criminally underfunded).
The other provinces could have done the same but chose to focus on more short term goals (big money signings, stadia, etc.) and Leinster are now reaping the rewards. Instead of moaning about how Leinster have more central contracts the other provinces need to focus on how they can produce more players to wrestle some of those contracts back from Leinster to level the playing field.
0:32 the Dark side? Nah pal he just didn't wanna be a mercenary. Also Leinster is an absolute lovely place, like the rest of Ireland.
Pre-sale tickets went on sele fir both clubs for season ticket holders, for 24 hours. General sale tickets went on sale from 10am and sold 65,000 in 90 minutes and sold out in like 3 hours.
9:57 you laugh but he lived over here when hecwas younger and played GAA sports and has family ties here too.
Where is Goode?
Rumour is he and Big Jim have fallen out
@@henrys4852 oh well Rugby Pod will be worse without him 🙄
Also... Why is noone speaking about Cullen? You almost never hear is name monetioned despite all of the incredible success he continues to bring!
Great for the URC. The revenue for the sellout for the semi goes back to all the clubs in the EPRC so this is all positive. Can't understand the non stop begrudgery towards Leinster. Their off the field activity is great.
10 out of the 13 central contacts are for Leinster. I understand how it has happened and the drivers for it. But I really feel like I’m loosing my connection with the Irish rugby team. They now feel more like “Green Leinster” the IRFU are not only funding 10(of Leinster first team) but stopping the other Provences from progressing.
That says more about you than anything, the players are still Irish, just because they are mainly from one quarter of the country doesnt make the national side less worthy of your support. It isnt ten anyway, more like eight with JGP making it nine soon.
I don't understand this comment. As a Dubliner I would have always cheered on the other Provinces in Europe back in the day (if they weren't playing us🙂), and couldn't give a stuff how many of them played for Ireland so long the best team was picked. Maybe I'm weird though?
Slightly ridiculous statement, though you are entitled to your opinion. Leinster aligned the school system into the academy better than the other provinces and identified better talent under the eligibility rules than most (Connaught being the outlier). Population has a fair bit to do with it also, but to be fair Leinster just got their house in order.
You won't be missed.
Almost half the population of Ireland lives in Leinster too, it must be said
Henshaw had to leave Connacht to get a central contract back in the day so Leinster have never paid 1 week of wages to Henshaw they have him for free. Connacht had to pay him till he left. What other club gets players like Henshaw for free never once paying wages ?
They also only have to pay rent on the stadium, no upgrade costs and they get the Aviva whenever they want
And now croke park
That's not true re Henshaw. No province can outbid another. Leinster could only match Connacht's offer.
That’s not true. He didn’t go straight on a central contract when he came to Leinster. He moved to Leinster because his girlfriend, no wife, was working and living in Dublin, and combined to move to a very successful club.
@@MrAcer911 he went straight onto a central contract don't know why you are pretending he didn't. If you think he moved to Leinster because of his gf you're away with the fairies
The other side of the coin is who is going to compete with the big French and to a certain extent the Prem sides in European competitions.
Sold out in 1 hour lads, tried to get 30 tickets for the rugby team and Gonzo.
No way will he be in Zebre on Sat night. Probably written in his contract that he only plays the big games.
Jordi barrett for captain of the leinster B team
In the early 2000’s it was Munster who had the biggest share of IRFU central contracts. I didn’t hear any moaning from Leinster or other fans about it. We all knew we had to get better. Leinster had the school system even then. What Leinster have done is invest in coaching and structures to bring school (and club) players through Leinster and into the Ireland setup. Ireland benefits hugely from that continued investment.
The other provinces need to man up and work harder.
Where Leinster do have an advantage is the catchment area in Leinster and Dublin. Larger populations don’t necessarily mean larger crowds or number of good players. Both have to be encouraged more into the game.
When Munster beat Leinster in 06, Lansdowne was packed with Munster fans who outnumbered Leinster fans by two or three to one. Why? Capital city syndrome, large numbers of Munster people living and working in Dublin. Finally, finally the capital city syndrome is working to Leinsters favour. Long may it continue. And long may Irish rugby be among the best in the world!
There were 25-30 central contracts then, far from it now.
You're a clown, when Munster had 10 contracts, Leinster had 7. So even a disaster of a Leinster team had 70% of the Munster contract count.
@@sh00termacg Thanks you for your contribution, it’s always good to engage with intellectual heavyweights such as yourself.
82k sold out in 3 hours, look at Lions over the wknd nothing but empty seats.
Say what ya want, but Leinster are definitely doing something right.
I think all the Barretts are entitled to Isish passports right now, as their grandparents are Irish and I think their father (Kevin Barrett) all ready has an Irish passport. Would that not mean they could play for Ireland without a 3 year wait?
Leinster can afford big names because they get the crowds. 90 thousand over the last 2 European games; next up Croke Park which might add another 80 thousand. Several Leinster platers are on central contracts - because of the quality players they supply to the national team. If Ulster wants to rival Leinster, it needs to invest (money and playing time) in its Acadamy; and get top-class rather than pretty-good coaches. Munster are moving in the right direction having got rid of the dead weight of a coach with a philosophy unfitted to the local and national environment. Connacht are a spirited team limited by potential attendances and a consequential begging bowl. Their recruitment for next year seems to be aimed at URC performances (particularly in SA) rather than in Europe
Dougie Howlett to Munster
Christian Cullen too, big Jim Williams, Trevor Halstead. The list is long
Id, say, Zebre is nice in January
Bigs is a legend.I'm sure Jordi will get a lot out of the Lions coach and the WC double winning coach unlike Japan
You're saying they deserve these advantages because of their success, they haven't won a trophy since 2021, haven't won a HCup since 2018. Are they really being rewarded for success, or supplemented out of fear of a downward spiral?
If Jim thinks there's no loyalty in the sport, I dunno what sport he was playing. Particularly if you're talking about the irish provinces. Might be worthing thinking about that statement and taking a look at the clubs in yer own countries boys.
I think Jim's point is that in today's pro era the clubs as well as players will forgo 'loyalty ' for their own intrests.
This happens in every pro team including in Ireland. All contracted players are evaluated for their value and maybe jettisoned for many reasons, age, performance, contract, to make way for a better player. Certainly you can look at elote players who may only play at one club but for each of the majority of other squad players will have been recycled out to other clubs.
Hopefully
The Irish lads can learn for Jordy Barrett
he might learn a bit too 😉
Keunsrer deserve alk they fwt home famea az they're rge hardest inn passions
Leinster needed a world class No 10 . Not Barrett 😢. But do love Barrett ❤️
Big Jims knows, if you want loyalty get a dog.
What about nothing. That's it exactly
Again no one is bringing up the point Leinster get TEN world class players’ wages all paid by irfu. It’s a great model for Ireland but it does effectively mean Leinster can cheat compared to other European clubs as they have double the budget
I understand your point that Leinster benefit by having a large squad paid for by the Ifu. But how does that make them cheats ? The player budgets of Leinster and the other teams is irrelevant in the European Tournaments.
Certainly it has never been a level playing field but that doesn't make them cheats
its all money and bullshit bt also ,in the main, Leinster bring an enormous number of players through their academy. if all teams in the world at the top level had to _only_ pic players developed through their academies....can u imagine how dominant leinster would be?
Lads, everything in Ireland is Dublin-centric and for pretty good reasons economically, geographically and demographically. As an Irish man first and a Munster man second, Leinster and any other sportsperson or organisation that does well is great for the country. Barrett is coming to learn as well as earn. No doubt about it. Something to be proud of.
They only people who thinks theres no bias are Leinster fans
define bias?
@@Mojo16011973getting champions cup places ahead of Connacht in the past even though Leinster finished below them
Funny, the only people who think there's a conspiracy are Munster fans
Produce talent, get CCs for said talent, free up money, get big signings.....that's the pathway, Leinster have just managed it better
@@CZcamsMy-kg3ho That doesn't sound good. Can you remind me when it happened?
@@Mojo16011973 back when they had groups probably 20 years back now
What’s the shock? Leinster & Munster has been Ireland international team but split in half with 3/4 SA or AB players. Who cares
..J.Barrett IRL Qualified In 3 Years - Irish Grandparents ..!! ..Well Biggsy hes already qualified .. 😃😀😄 ..
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But a current AB. So needs a 3 year break from AB rugby.
@@daithipol and would be 5 years before he could qual for irl now
Imo the irfu always wanted to create a super team. Leinster oviously tick all the boxes due large population, cash rich schools national stadium to use when needed etc.. thats fine but when it comes at the expense of the other provences thats where it pisses me off. Henshaw should have been the face of connaught for a decade but no leinster get him for nothing and dont even pay his wages. All the other provinces have to fund stadiums etc while leinster pay rent. Its a system built to their advantage so ireland always have a strong european side.
Henshaw joined Leinster primarily so that he could be guaranteed a Heineken Cup start several times a season, and an excellent opportunity at knockout rugby and silverware. Connaught, at that time, rarely participated in Heineken Cup rugby.
If Munster, Ulster or Connaught were to earn the right to a home country semi in the ECC they could use the Aviva too!
The IRFU are Dublin centric and always have been. They tried to get rid of Connacht altogether not so long ago remember! The IRFU are a disgrace with that bias as it. affects the national team selection far too much. Jack Carty should have been the Irish out half since 2019 a man who regurlary got MoM against Sexton when they played and with the armchair ride he got in Leinster its crazy. Connacht won the Pro 12 and had NOONE on the Irish team?!! (Robbie was poached by Leinster...)
Jack carty is absolutely no where near test standard Jesus Christ
Tries to make a case for bias and then uses Carty in his argument - LOL!!
Robbie came home 😅.
All rugby heads I know here were disgusted at the IRFU trying to scrap Connacht and we protested. Munster on the other hand were licking their lips expecting all the players and fans to show up in Limerick.
I love how Connacht kept their team and logo but it did take the support of supporters around the country.
@@daithipol what the fuck are you talking about ? Making up horse shit just to spite munster the cheek
@@daithipol just an absolute falsity about munster. Those devils down in cork at it again ? Why won’t they submit to the crown says the Leinster man in Dublin castle
Leinster are letting some very good young players go to Connacht and Ulster at the end of this season. They've basically been producing players for the other three provinces for the last few years. Leinster can do what they want with the money they've earned and the players they've produced, simple as. I dont have problems with letting players go to Ulster or Connacht but not Munster, why would you send players to a province that hates your guts. Let them go produce their own players if they think their such a big club. It seems any animosity between the IRFU and Munster is Leinster's fault. At the end of the day, a Bank is not going to let a customer who cant repay their debt go out and buy a BMW or Audi, this is the exact scenario of Munster and the IRFU with Thomond park.
What a clueless load of nonsense. Munster have their stadium nearly paid while leinster rent theirs. Who is going to benefit in the long term? Also munster have been producing lots of young talent. Need nothing from leintser. What we need is for the IRFU to use the budget we have as we see fit
Wow, the bitterness in this comment. Just enjoy the success that Leinster are having at this moment, as a Munster fan I have no problem watching Leinster succeed once they are not playing Munster.
@@michaelofarrell3384now your talking bollix,what big talent are munster producing???? Nowhere near what leinster produce,and nowhere near the quality thats why they are bulk suppliers to irish team,we even produced beirne,conway,carberry,for yee and more, it shows too that none of the new signings from leinster are going to munster,one look at carberry put them all off.
@@michaelofarrell3384 Honestly just basic research, as in one search on google, will tell you the stadium debt is nowhere near paid.
@@pppmeen125 Do you understand what the word bitter means? Why would a Leinster fan be bitter about Munster
Most of the top leinster players come from 2 schools. Now they are trying to change it by building up club rugby in the sticks but everyone goes on about all the private schools in Dublin its 2 Michaels and Rock that are supplying most of the players. So the other provences dont have 2 plivate schools? Quit whinging and get to work
They'll likely point to the population discrepancy (they usually do) but Ulster has a population almost as big and it isn't helping them
Big contributions from those two schools but if you look at the Leinster first xv that's just not true.
He is absolutely incorrect that Leinster are given a charter plan ffs
Yeah, it's complete BS. Makes a nice headline though!!
Leinster has a deal with city jet That was created by Ross and Harry Byrnes dad Pat Byrne. I don’t know if they still have a deal.
They had a sponsorship deal with Cityjet who are no longer operating out of Ireland. One aircraft was painted in Leinster colours as part of the deal. Nowadays they charter aircraft and spare seats are sold to fans to help with the cost. That’s business.
Barrett could play for Ireland tomorrow because he has Irish grandparents
Except he's currently playing for NZ! He's need a long cooling off period (like Jean Kleyn)
Ireland are definitely the best team in the world atm….world cups are knockout…while Ireland were throwing down the wins constantly the entire year
Still tho I'd gladly swap 😊
@@daithipol lol…I sincerely understand that…but RWC is only bragging rights. Ireland has a lot to be proud of and has every right to hold heads high. All the best for rest of 2024
I feel this is because the IRFU treats its union like a business. Focussing on success every four years is a losing strategy from a business perspective. It also messes with player development when you're looking for their best out of someone (or a collective group) only 4 or 5 times in their whole career, then at the last outing they could be 33 and thats it, or 32 and maybe squeezing another outing in 4 years but constantly being unsure and constantly wondering if a younger player can slot in instead.
6 nations is big, consistent annual revenue, always fill stadia, allows players to aim for annual peaks, and,fitness wise they could play in 15 of them if they're lucky. Their performance annually also helps them build higher paying careers at club level too.
You cant have a system where the bulk of leinsters team is paid in ccs. With the socio-ecomonic advantages they have, which leinster paid nothing for btw, all you are doing is creating a massive imbalance. Surely the IRFU aim should be to bring all provinces up to the same level allowing for a deeper pool of players to pick from.
you'd swear that Leinster didn't generate substantially more cash than the other provinces.
The bulk of the Leinster squad are NOT paid by CC!
Munster get to fill Pairc Uí C for international games (SA NZ) then they blow the cash on OMahoney and Zebo etc and whinge that leinster have an advantage ...
“Blow their cash” on the current Irish captain. Did you see how Zebo played on the highveld at the weekend?
Omahony has been on a central contract for years, again another example of a Leinster fan not knowing what happens outside the pale
@@pauleirezebo should have been in the Ireland squad ahead of stockdale and that’s a fact
Zebo has outrageous talent, but age has caught up to him. If he had put half as much effort into training as he did showboating or having a laugh he'd be undoubtedly one of the best wingers in the world.
BS
very biased
I support Leinster but Barrett? GO to Ulster or Connaught, any half-wit can join Leinster and be successful.
I from Ireland and everything goes to leinster I am sure every other province in Ireland want Northampton to win
Leinster don't have a jet. Complete horseshit