I Hope You Have a LOT of Money... RTX 4000 Announced
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Nvidia just announced the RTX 4090 and 4080s. Overall Ada looks great... but Nvidia left out some crucial details that have me concerned.
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0:00 Intro - Věda a technologie
Does anybody remember when everybody thought Nvidia was crazy for selling the GTX Titan for $1,000?
The power of marketing, and the people’s FOMO is a beautiful thing (if you’re a big corp CEO).
Now they are selling 70 class GPU for 900$
@@BillCipher1337 Yeah but you can get a $300 card that easily outperforms that old $1000 titan.
I remember when phones were maximum of $1000 as well. Times change, is what it is.
Most consumers agree: see the Steam hardware surveys. Just like the Titan, these are “halo” products designed for professionals and to build hype for the new tech (thanks in part to media like LTT) while they sell off the last generation and build the manufacturing capacity for the mass-market.
The branding might be less distinctive, but these cards still aren’t for gamers to buy even without the “Titan” label.
The fact that $1000+ GPUs have been normalized for gaming is kind of unfortunate.
What gamer actually needs a 4090 though
I'm ready!
@@TheSlyWeeb me
@@TheSlyWeeb People with pockets deep enough that they need a whole volcano to burn all their cash
@@TheSlyWeeb You know you want one.
Why is it so hard for NVIDIA to simply develop cards in the 40 series ranging from $600-1200 instead of these inflated prices.
They need to spend more time working on lowering costs and overall powerdraw before they continue working on performance.
It's not hard for them to lower the cost nor does it make sense for them to do so. The prices are this way because people are willing to pay the price. If people stop buying the cards the prices will start dropping.
He already brought some reasons and one of them is that everybody have risen their prices and other companies also compete for manufacturing time and batches.
But they will have cards in the $600-1200 price range as well like the 4070/4060/4050.
The 4090/4080, with all do respect, is not intended for the average person/gamer. It's for those that have the money.
The 4090 is actually more for intended for professional work or work stations that need it. Or hobbyists that need that kind of perfomance
@@danepher I am a 3d artist and I use gpu renderer to render still images and animations. My first workstation was powered by a GTX Titan and that GPU was priced around $1000. To me, the price for 4090 is too much, $1200 ~ $1300 is reasonable and for 4080, it should be like $699 to $799 and 12GB variant should be $599. Nvidia just screws everyone like what they did in last 2 years.
@@chlbrn The last 2 years were met with a chip shortage. Nvidia/AMD is not solely responsible for closing of chip fabs in china and Taiwan and other manufacturers that need to bring materials to create those chips. Look around you, absolutely everything goes up in price and inflation only adds on top of it. Of course it will costs more. Add to it also the raising salaries and obviously those prices will go high.
Add to that the demand from scalpers and miners, and you get 2 years of inflated prices. Nvidia didn't fuck you up. Or at least not solely responsible for prices. EVGA for example and NVIDIA continued selling at the MSRP prices, but everything was bought either by miners or scalpers.
TSMC and Samsung also just raised their prices for manufacturing of chips.
You cannot increase supply on a whim. And all manufacturing factories are sold out for a long time.
Because they developed these cards during the mining frenzy, so they didn't consider price and just went full out, now AMD will take the major market because no one will buy this crap during a recession
I'm grateful Nvidia finally started using their series number to indicate how many mortgages I'm going to need to take out to buy it.
RTX 3080 MSRP = $699
RTX 4080 MSRP = $1,199
RTX 3070 MSRP = $499
RTX “4080 12GB” MSRP = $899
Inflation + 20% does not justify this increase. NVIDIA have gotten far too comfortable slapping pandemic/shortage/scalper level price tags on their products.
The fact that the prices in the EU are 300$ higher than in the US is insane. Who will buy a 2000€ 4090 during these times?
just work and get a well-paid job lmao, only weak mindset that blames for pandemic, shortage, war, inflation
@@Kashew1403 a weak mindset has limited your english.
But they're better cards. They are not the same cards with a new name. Why do you expect the same price for a better product? That's a bit self centred.
@@noahw5887 literally the best statement when American losing the Vietnam war
Nvidia is out of their minds if they want to sell the 4080 12gb *cough actually a 4070* for $900 and a $1200 4080 into an oversaturated gpu market during an economic recession
The big mistake they're making is in thinking that the value proposition, which is there, is more important than the raw price. Sure, a 4080 at $900 that performs 2x better than two 3090tis which sold for $1,500 each IS a good value proposition...IF a person has $900 to drop on a GPU. IMO 900 is way, way too high.
They just want you to buy the 4090 or the 3090 Ti.
so happy to hear comments like this hopefully stock will not be sold out at launch but comments coming from people who can onoy complain about price makes me doubt it
they make 4070 and 4060 is more worth it, but let see what amd offer first
@@jeffrudzinski1366 yeah it's way too much at the wrong time, most of the world is entering a cost of living crisis and we're feeling the effect covid had on us all financially as well along with interest being super high at the moment.
If they made an rtx 4040 card or released the 4050 now for say 250-320 then it would be great to see a lot of people get an upgrade that they can afford.
NVidia is going to have a HUGE shock trying to sell these now that there is next to zero crypto mining to be done on them. People don't understand how much that drove the market.
There's pretty much BTC mining and that's it now. Wouldn't expect any real demand for mining cards for the next 2 years at least. Nvidia's in for a very well deserved awakening.
I sincerely sincerely hope so!! but I have my doubts.
This gets said every new generation launch and every launch there's always sheep out there that just HAVE to have the latest and greatest that will spend as much as needed to obtain it. NVIDIA will unfortunately be fine and make a killing on top of it.
Pretty sure Nvidia has an almost godlike understanding of just exactly how much mining is a part of sales
I don't think supply is that high though, this is why they're not lowering the price. In fact they may go substantially higher than MSRP, again.
I love how during the pandemic Nvidia was all like “it’s not just crypto, gamers are buying our stuff” and then the crypto crash wiped out the gpu shortage overnight? And then magically prices came down 50 percent 😂
This 4000 series makes no sense for gamers unless you are an extreme enthusiast. I have a 1070 and it’s held up so well I can’t imagine upgrading unless I just want to build a pc
1070 club woop woop!😎
I have a 1070 as well I laugh wen he said gamers have a lot to be excited about, referring to the 4090. For the massive price and cooler I think main selling market is Dubai 🤣😂🤣😂
Yeah my 3070 is still chugging along just fine, I honestly don't know what I would do with all that power... yes some more frames would be neat but I'm not doing Pixar level animations I don't need it
I went from 1070 to 1080ti (handmedown) this week. huge fps and graphics difference. I can't imagine what a 4090 would look like lol
i recently bought a 1080 and its fucking good card all my games run with over 90 fps on ultra with ease i upgraded from a rx 570
Well, in Europe the 4090 will cost 1949€ which is pretty insane.
That's VAT for you
It's 2k+ in denmark from nvidia store. Good luck selling that when the 3090 can be seen at 1k
@@imadecoy. no, the euro has plummeted in value
if someone doens't want to check difference, then euro is atm same as usd, which makes same as $1950USD, so 350 more than in US
Remember the US MSRP prices are exculding vat. So the Prices will be a lot closer, although EU prices are still more expensive in relation.
EVGA just keeps looking smarter and smarter.
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@@DaneH64 why? because the profit margin is shrinking on third party gpus?
@@Clemyfourtwenty yeah and I would say 80+% of people will likely skip 40 series cards or wait for second hand meaning sales are gonna be shit. I'm not paying 2k aud for a fucking GPU.
Now we know why did EVGA dropped the RTX 40 NVDIA cards
@@billlacey2426 Watch Gamers Nexus or JayzTwoCents video about this. Both are the direct source of this news.
The fact that the real 4080 msrp is $500 more than the msrp of the 3080 is completely insane! I'm not even gonna talk about the 4080 that is really a 4070 in disguise!
What's wrong with AMD GPUs...
Do softwares not support it?
@@avatr7109 when you commented this yup they lacked a lot of software support (the drivers), now they fixed it up alot and it’s ague-ably better now than nvidia
at this point they could try and build an entire PC within the 4090 enclosure
honestly this could very well be possible
Definitely. Probably an ITX build with the RX 6400.
@@T_Burd_75 or that weird quardro lp card
@@Error_code_1001 I like the irony of an AMD build inside of an Nvidia. 😉
Gpu with integrated cpu
NVIDIA shot themselves in the foot with these prices. First time I haven't been excited about a GPU launch. And it doesn't look like I'm alone
@qtsssim The price is literally the most important thing when it comes to buying a new GPU.
Name ONE reason why Drew would "come around".
@qtsssim it's just the price bro, you will come around bro, trust me bro, good deal bro
@qtsssim @Saul Badman, it's just the price bla bla bla XD ... lol, you only say that if your future business points to your profitability ... otherwise, it's just plain stoopid XD
by the time i save that up a new generation of cards will come out with even higher prices
Still cheaper than 3090 when it came out...
This announcement made me super excited...for AMD's announcement. Good job, Nvidia!
You and me both. Am clearly not going to be able to buy Nvidia again, anyway, so fuck em.
But Radeon GPUs have been mostly ass so I guess we will see.
AMD will just follow the lead, just watch.
I always excited about amd. Better power usage.
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Coupled with inflation here in the US, nvidia might be hanging on to their 4xxx series a lot longer than they hoped.
@hen ko I would re think that. I was AMD but the game bugs and issues and new AAA games not working correctly I'm done and the 3080 is a beast. I'll get the 4080 16gb because I run triple 4k racing simulator but have to run them at 1440p to max the graphics so it will be so nice if I can run them at 4k
Take a closer look at the difference in CUDA cores. There's an absolutely MASSIVE gap between the 4090 and "4080 16GB" which is unprecedented. The true 80-tier card has not been announced yet and will more than likely land in between the two of them as a Ti or something.
More concerning yet, if you compare the difference between the core counts of 90, 80, 70 and 60-tier cards in this release versus previous releases, you'll find the 4080 16GB is far more in-line with what a 70-tier card should have and the 4080 12GB is pretty much smack dab where the 60-tier card would land. Every 60-tier card has came with 50% the flagship's core count with a 192-bit memory bus. That's exactly the case here with the 4080 12GB.
Can't wait for the RTX 50 series to release so the 40 series drop in price so I can finally get a 3080 in stock
Listen to me,go for gt 730.
Can't wait for October 12 so RTX 4000 will release so then RTX 3000 will fall in price then RTX 2000 will become cheaper so then I can get a 1660 ti for a fair price
@@moon3m If you’ve got the cash - and are daring enough - snatch up a fresh GT1030
Yeah...I'm just gonna go with AMD seeing as I'm already going to get their new processor anyway.
@@Jacob-tp1ue or a gtx1060
This is why competition in the GPU market is so essential.
This is a problem of unregulated capitalism, there is no way to dominate global market with a diverse market, monopolies are needed, consumers have this pipe dream they're important
This is why competition in *any* market is so essential. When there's nobody taking away from your sales percentage, you can hike up prices as much as you want
Nvidia had made a mistake. While they were designing Lovelace, GPU prices went to the heavens above. They thought no matter how expensive GPUs are, people (miners) are gonna buy them. As a result, Lovelace GPUs are made to be very powerful, at the expense of everything else. It is 50% more costly to produce than the previous generation. Then the crypto crash happened, and Nvidia goes through the seven stages of grief... *Good*
@@jayrett But monopoly is the basis of us economy, how can you do competition? It's make-believe competition. I don't know of any gpu maker that is outside the US, and the us has only two
This comment makes it sound like amd doesn't make gpus. You do have options when buying. You don't have to buy green
I wouldn't doubt that AMD has something up their sleeves this time around with the MCM design they have major cost and even possible performance advantages over nvidia. They are going to be on a less advanced node but the MCM could really throw a wildcard into the mix this gen.
MCM should use less power than single big chips I think.
N4 is literally just N5 with special "Nvidia optimization" which is just code for fuck all difference. RDNA3 and ADA are effectively on the same node
Regarding Raytracing reordering, basically individual pixels are completely parallelized, but multiple rays from 1 pixel are sequential. To improve performance groups of GPU cores can share a queue of rays. I.e if 1 pixel finished all its bounces and it’s neighbor to the left has a bunch left, the workload can be split
This is AMDs opportunity once again to come take some market share.
hopefully rx7000 will have some actual stock, ps5 really chewed away their rx6000 allocation
@@tyre1337 they sell less then $600 lol kook it up
Nah, NVIDIA will be sure to match their offering (at least price wise) when it comes out.
Watch them do nothing...Pisses me off to no end...
AMd will have their cost increase by 40% for each chip. They also use TSMC and the prices increases for everyone that use them, even APPLE.
God I hope RDNA 3 is competitive AND well priced, now is AMDs time to shine.
I Hope so Tool for gamers.
I really hate being bound to NVidia because of CUDA ... I'd Love to Switch to AMD but 3d design is a B**ch.
I'm not nearly as concerned with the performace of the hardware as I am with the performance of the software. I hope AMD nails it, cause I'd prefer them. I don't need tons of hardware performance, but I do need it to be able to actually do something useful.
Ik their cpus are popping off
AMD is turning into the same greedy mfers. They're gonna release something about the same performance but at only $50 less than their Nvidia counterpart.
@@AirsoftDaddy its usually about 100 bucks less. And then their value drops significantly when no one buys em.
Well, to correct you about raytracing and threadedness, even though you have to calculate all bounces of a single ray sequentially and therefore in a single thread, ray tracing itself is still embarrassingly parallelizable, because you still (normally) have to calculate many rays per pixel (maybe Nvidia has changed that now with their AI denoiser), and you still have to calculate that for all pixel (which Nvidia has also changed with their AI super resolution upscaler). Since the all of those rays are mutually independent, they can all be computed in parallel. So raytracing is not at all naturally a single threaded task.
I'm guessing that what this is about is, as you say, to prevent the part of the GPU that is responsible for shading, which cannot help the ray tracer in its work, from having to wait while the ray tracing is being calculated, by just ray tracing small chunks of the image at a time to quickly give the shader something to work on. This has nothing to do with enabling threading, though.
I think i figured out nvidias plan. Release at a high price so the 3000 series all sell then they can drop the prices and release some ti varients
Fun fact: The gap between 4080 16 GB and 4080 12 GB in terms of core count ratio (9728/7680 = 1.26) is bigger than 3090 Ti vs 3080 10 GB (10752/8704 = 1.24)
4080 12gb is a scam. I hope no one will buy it. Wait for the 4080ti 16gb or get an rtx 4090
yea the gap is large, to think they didn't name it 4070. greedy nvidia, want to fool the casuals/tech-illiterate to buy it cause of its name.
Lol wow
because 4080 12gb = 4070
Fun fact: The gap between 4090 and 4080 12 GB($899) in terms of core count ratio is the same as 3090 vs 3060ti($399)
If AMD continues to deliver on efficiency they will sell a lot of cards in the UK with the looming power prices
Yeah, in Germany, the power prices are batshit crazy. Next year I will pay 46 cents per KW like the fuck. Time to sell my 3080
It's not a ton better here in my part of southeastern US with the rates going up, and out west in places like Commiefornia, it's even worse, with them trying to go "green", and it not being able to meet demand(yep they are starting their Nuclear plant back up LOL), with rolling blackouts at peak usage times, and telling people to use less power like not charging their EV cars, so yeah I'm hoping AMD brings their low, and mid range game that does not cost an arm, and a leg to buy, and run. Till then I'm good with my AMD RX560 4GB I snagged for 65 freedom bucks, and playing what it can run on STEAM for Linux, with the rest on my Switch Lite, and Android phone/tablet.
Definitely. I was gonna buy a used 3070 but now I'm leaning more towards an RX 6800. More performance, less power, same or lower price.
@@CommodoreFan64 California's average is 26 cents / KWH. I don't know what part of the southeast you are in, and I think you might have left that out so nobody can fact check you, but here in East Tennessee I'm paying 9.39 cents / KWH. Pretty big difference compared to 46 cents. What is your actual cost per KWH where you live? Can you actually justify your claim that "It's not a ton better" or do you just like to play victim?
@@kg4wwn 16 / KWH in Northern Illinois. I'd have to dig thru old bills to see what it was before but my monthly bills are roughly double last year according to my checking account. So not Germany levels but still going up and it still sucks.
That logic comparing price increase with inflation rate is just brain dead moment from LTT
Here the requested correction:
No, raytracing is a massively parallel task, because the ray bounces just *accumulate* samples. Hence we have tons of cores in CPU render farms, and GPUs are useful - memory and bandwidth limitations aside.
Accumulation means summing, as such there is no dependency between rays: you usually hit tons of rays for tons of samples at the same time. What NVIDIA seems to do, based on their website, is batch similar samples from same materials to make the shader execution faster internally. Probably less state changes for the shader execution. There is currently no more information available, but the developer portal mentions availability on October 12, which coincides with the release of the cards. Cheers.
You're right, but wanted to give some more context. Raytracing is parallel task but tracing a single ray is a not. As you said you make assumptions that certain rays can be grouped together, but you need to know the end path in order to compute the next path, you can do this in parallel, but higher framerates demands even faster tracing and throwing more "cores" at it doesn't necessarily make it faster. The likelihood is that they have updated the silicon or the "cores" that do the processing for the motion vectors to be faster. My guess is that they updated the tensor cores which handles "denoising" of the bounding volume hierarchy generated from the RT cores.
The "4 time the performance of last gen" is really misleading
They cherry picked the best scenarios, turned DLSS 3.0 on, versus last gen gpus with DLSS off and called it a day
It would obviously show a big gap of performance. However, in normal conditions across the board, it's probably like 30-40% increase at most.
It's such a crappy move to lock DLSS 3.0 to 4000 series. They needed a reason to sell them, otherwise, it's such a terrible generational leap considering the absolute nuts prices..
30-40% is still a solid upgrade...not to say I'd go for it
@@songogu9 It's an extremely negligable difference considering we already run at 100's of frame rates unless you're gaming at 8k which barely anyone is
DLSS 3.0 frame generation requires new hardware functions, its no surprise its limited. The good old DLSS Super Sampling will remain supported and continue to improve even for older GPUs however.
Yup, and what is worse is that DLSS is awful. You can tell it looks like ass next to the real thing, but it does give you better FPS I guess.
@@thisisanonpersonalaccount9856 a person using the 30 series in bot supposed yo be upgrading to a 40 series tbh, no one need to just jump to the newest thing available in the market, so even if its a 30 percent increase, the 90 percent of the people who will be buying them will be coming from 20 or mayble 10 series, considering that, its gonna be explosive for them
I can’t imagine being less excited about a graphics card launch.
...because you can't afford it? or 'cause we already have a 30 series card ;)
@@imorokr Because who is gonna pay a 500 watt any more. With the rising kWh prices to 60! cent its gonna costs your 30 cent just to run this for a hour.
power draw, i dont want to install a separate breaker because the only way nvidia and intel can get more performance gen on gen is to increase power draw
@@imorokr naw I can afford it, but I’m not going to. Lol! The value proposition is low. Hopefully AMD has something better for price to performance and power draw. I’m running a 5700XT in my main rig right now and a 2070 Super in my VR rig. I don’t really see any reason to upgrade these systems at this point and price level.
@@xzaz2 pretty sure that's when it's running 100%, dude. I'd doubt it even pulls 500 for a full hour, at least under most people's typical use
Can't wait to see AMD's new stuff.
AMD are useless and can't be relied on, their cards are always feature limited, in short supply and never available on release date, expensive and in reality, a poor man's sloppy second to Nvidia...the facts speak for themselves. I know what im talking about, im certified.
@@davewills6121 Certified in what? Douchey fanboyism?
I am certified lmfao hahaha
@@t.c.b4722 Everything but..........AMD
@@davewills6121 u r wrong
i know because im certified by ur mom
It's insane that the 1080 was $599, the 2080, 2080 super, and 3080 were all $699, and now the proper 4080 (16gb) is $1199. That's almost double what the old cards cost.
thank you joe biden for inflation
@@interplanetaryexpeditionsa1229 nothing to do with inflation. This is corporate greed. Some idiots will pay this price no matter what
Das cray z 💀
Gosh, remember when $599 was an expensive card for the average person?
@@anthonya824 No joke. I remember picking up a 4870x2 dual gpu card for $500 back in 2008. I could go all the way back to my first real gpu purchase. A diamond stealth III to get s3tc for unreal engine games for about $100.
Can’t wait to spend $4500 over MSRP for a 40 series
Cmom, be realistic.
It's at least $5000 over.
My 2 kidneys are crying
@@costoon9337 you didn't buy 30 series then ? Cos I only have one left.
No you won’t, no one will buy these when Used 3090s will be a third of the price.
Why? There is no shortage anymore
In regards to how raytracing works, from a mathematical perspective, the operations involved are not overly complicated or involving too many operations, which means you can cache it on multiple stages of the operation, meaning you can process the next step on whichever pipe is free. This can be multi-threaded easily and probably is being done so.
I am absolutely stoked that Portal is getting RTX, the test footage they released looks STUNNING
The worst part is this makes it easier for them to control the board partners further. With launch price set so high, they might be charging board partners an arm and a leg for the chips. So, when demand pulls the price down, board partners will find it hard to make a profit without Nvidia's support while Nvidia can just reduce price for founder 's edition cards easily and still turn a profit.
Why do you think EVGA left Nvidia?
its probably why EVGA peaced out
Now you can understand EVGA’s decision
"They expect one of us in the the wreckage brother!"
Hence EVGA's departure.
One thing that wasnt mentioned is that DLSS 3.0 is exclusive to the 40 series
Hardly news. It was the same story for the previous gens
@@stephanstrydom6175 no
@@stephanstrydom6175 I think it's a no too, but dlss and ray tracing is exclusive to 20 series at that time
@@stephanstrydom6175 no DLSS 2 worked on 2000 cards too
This isn't true, only the 4000-series specific AI performance enhancements are restricted, 3.0 super sampling will still work on older cards.
1:32 So that actually a good information.
Year after year after year we could need of more and more power...
which could lead to massive energy draw, not only your energy bill could go higher but also making a big problem for the world.
I already have a 3080 Ti FE, I bought it in April knowing these were coming out soon because I needed it to make a 4k 120hz couch rig. I would have prefered the 3080 non ti but it was never available, and 3080 Ti FE was the same price as AIB 3080s. Also added bonus is it will still be the most powerful dual slot card for a while so its still sitting in an itx case for now.
Yeah ...I still remember 2010 when I thought that 500$ on a VGA is insane. I swore that I'll never pay that much on a graphics card...and 12 years later I'm still keeping my word. I don't have that kind of dough to spend on games :))
I don't have the kind of dough to spend on a Ferrari SF90 Stradale, But I'm not going to complain about the cost of one because I don't need that much car.
I bought an RX6600 for $250 recently. Plays destiny 2 on medium at 4k 120fps. Does anyone really need all the performance of these high end cards?
@@postmortemspasm yes cuz play red dead at 4k and your eyes won't see 10 frames
I'm still getting a lot of good use out of my RX 5700 I paid I little over $300 in 2019, and I have no need to get anything new. New games still look fantastic on it.
Married with kids and a mortgage?
Now do yall see why EVGA bounced like they did? Nvidia have lost their everloving minds. At theses prices can you imagine how much an EVGA card would have cost since Nvidia undercuts their partners at the jump? SMH. NO HELL NO.
Its absurd that you can buy the fastest 8 core cpu for like $500 including the cost of the motherboard and cooler, and yet Nvidia has the balls to sell just the silicon chip to their partners for $1000+ giving them 0 margin for profit even when they sell GPUs for $1200. Its actually insane, and its ridiculous that you can buy 2 consoles for that price. I was okay with the high prices for things like the Titan, but that card was design to be powerful for the next decade. Now they expect to sell us new cards at $1500 every 3 years.
check Jay's video with 1st hand info: EVGA didn't even know at what price they'd be selling their cards before Jensen was on stage so they'd never know early enough to bounce before it was already too late. They dumped them because of the 30-series and the 40-series is just more of the same crap if not worse
I've always had EVGA cards. They're the budget friendly version plus they have balls to the wall cards for those that can afford it. Sad to see them go, but not like i'd be able to afford a card from the 4000 lineup anyways.
@@dasiro Exactly. EVGA would not have know any of this information until it was announced, based on J2C and others. So, it would be impossible for them to make a decision based on today's announcement.
@@WARnTEA CPU dies are tiny compared to GPU dies, especially nVidias, who have a history of making their top tier dies close to the radical limit of their applied production node. But those prices are still insane. Not going to spend $1000 on a “4070”.
Certainly going all AMD on my next build. Performance is great and all but it should fit in my wallet first.
Don't expect amd to the rescue, If they have a competing product they will price it the same.
@@Truth12345 they already dropped the price of the 6000 series they may do the same for GPUs
@@challacustica9049 What does this tell us about amd's next gen?
@@Truth12345 I don't know
But their drivers still blow. 25 years and counting...
"Do you think if this was a super profitable release EVGA would've jumped ship" after watching gamersnexus breakdown of the whole ordeal yes. 100%. If they could've doubled their profit off 4k series cards they still wouldn't have stuck around because Nvidia seems absolutely awful to work with. I worked at some shitty places, I can tell you if my last job doubled my current salary, and slapped an extra 10k on top of that, still wouldn't go back. Just not worth it.
NVIDIA may have a problem related to the remaining stock of RTX 30, but let's remember people, THE RISK OF A BUSINESS IS TO THE COMPANY NOT THE CONSUMERS. So basically Nivida is charging more because they still have RTX 30 in stock, weighting the RISK ON THE CONSUMERS. In general, don't buy now, because you are allowing NVIDIA continously to create a precedent for future generations. I am very interested on upgrade my RTX 20, but not with those prices
Why would you even upgrade when there is no games that you can't run on at least high 1080p with gtx 1650 anyway? Next gen of gaming is still not here.
@@blushingralseiuwu2222 because 4k gaming is genuinely nice and I’m still rockin a 1080
This is true for every company(not just NVDIA). It's called Capitalisms
@@talltale9760 Just wait for someone to sell their card when they upgrade or go with the 30xx series & put the money saved in the bank for the next upgrade down the line. I recently went from a 1080 to a 3070 TI and it was a nice boost in performance gaming at 3440x1440p that should last me a couple years, hopefully by then Nvidia will gain some sanity? (not likely)
Same, I am gonna upgrade my 2060 to a 4070 when it comes out... hopefully by then prices will have go down. Finally moving from 1080p to 1440p lol.
$1599 in the US but €1970 here in Europe. It's almost cheaper to fly to the US and buy one
stow away on a cargo ship
The difference is 20% VAT.
The noted US price *excludes* sales tax so will actually be higher... the UK and EU prices *includes* sales tax, aka VAT.
@@QuentinStephens No it's not, it's more than that, the prices haven't dropped at al since the supposed crpyto crash, in the US and Canada sure, not here.
@@kiloneie It is here in the UK. $1599 / 1.13 + 20% = £1698 which is very near the £1679 they want for the 4090 here in the UK.
I like how they had DLSS on for the Flight Sim RTX numbers but not for rasterized.
waiting to see what the reviewers show when they're allowed to get their hands on these cards.
This is what happens when there's no competition. Jaystwocents talked about how Nvidia is going to artificially limit graphics card stock to their partners for 30 series. That's to keep prices from going down. They have been more profitable in the last two years than ever. Disgusting prices.
That
Cmon Elon Musk! Dominate this industry too
They actually haven't though? Nvidia's profits and revenue have been down last quarter and their stock price hasn't had anywhere as near stable growth as it did during the crypto boom. They have been facing new regulation from the US regarding licensing requirements in addition to barring the sale of certain silicon to China. This is in addition to the UK effectively killing Nvidia's acquisition of Arm.
@@forbiddenbox Elon hasn't dominated any industry. Unless you count buying tesla?
@@forbiddenbox LMAO. Sounds like dominating Elon’s shaft, bro. Elon has ZERO hope of jumping into the GPU business. Intel can’t even do it!
This video convinced me that sitting on the sidelines and waiting for RDNA 3 will be the smart money's choice.
competitition is good. If RDNA 3 is good enough, NVIDIA will simply drop prices.
I’ll be following the same strategy.
Same, plus as a Linux user AMD is just way less hassle to get running with the latest kernel level drivers.
@@AGuy-vq9qp competition is not a silver bullet for scummy practice
It makes sense if you don't care about raytracing.
I'm good thanks, it's time the prices becomes reasonable, I think most of us can (If not there are a lot of great 2k and 3k cards much cheaper), it's not like the graphics is going to change much until the next console generation..
This 4k card is a toasty power hog that requires for many an upgrade to CPU and this means perhaps motherboard etc etc. Expensive indeed.
Sales will most definitely tank but not as bad as 20 series.
I'll be looking more forward towards 50 series than 40 series.
at the risk of climbing up on a soapbox: I feel as though gamers should consider holding out on nvidia cards. not only is the 40 series pricing nuts, a good amount of the 30 series cards have yet to dip below MSRP for new, save the 3090 and 3090 ti. just insane behavior. nvidia deserves to have their feet held in the fire by consumers, if only for a little while.
after the EVGA shitstorm, i wont be buying Nvidia cards
on god i want to buy a gpu without refinancing my house
I think this is the best approach, personally unless dlss 3 could have been added by users into every single game without developer support or anything then I would consider a 40 series card but I just got a 3060ti at the start of the year and don't feel that I will need the added speed and power of the 40 series soon, I'll probably wait until the 50 series comes out and get a 5060ti and hopefully get it at MSRP but who knows.
I bet we don’t see a 4060 or 4070 announcement this year. It will come in the summer as 3060 and 3070 supply starts to dry. Typically you don’t see anything but the high end cards take huge price cuts because the lower tiered cards are priced closer to cost to start with as they are the volume movers. 80 series is where the volume and profit swell and 90 series is a halo product (not meant to be high volume so higher profit margin is baked in) that they can slash pricing on towards the end and still make money.
I will say this again also, expecting an AIB to be able to get under the “MSRP” set by NVIDIAs FE card is not going to happen. NVIDIA doesn’t sell NVIDA the die, they do sell the die to the AIB. This is part of the why EVGA dipped. MSRP based on FE cards is asinine and NVIDIA is manipulating the market with it. NVIDIA directly competes with the AIBs now.
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An 80 class card with less than half the cores of the 102 die, not even the 100. This is a low end card at a higher price than the flagships used to be. Also 4090 for creators? They artificially limit non quadros. 4x faster? what a joke.
Down with nvidia? Yes I'm selling all my shares, no one is going to buy these when they still have 30 series to sell off because they withheld cards to drive up prices. Did it work? No, only miners bought the cards.
#downwithnvidia #dontbuynvidia #fucknvidia
Sick... Except how insanely expensive it is and they're selling a 4070 as a 4080 and overall Nvidia is being too greedy.
yep and then we got shills like these guys supporting it
And people will still buy it, so I expect we will deal with this problem for a while
Prices are higher, for Nvidia themselves too! What do you think they paying for their chips or employee salaries? Everything is darned expensive, thats not their fault
@@samuvisser unbased take. the price increases are not in line with inflation rates. As another comment mentioned, they still have more 30 series GPUs in stock than they will ever be able to sell at those prices, so they are trying to offset their losses with the 40 series instead of lowering the price for clearance of the 30 series. real bottom of the barrel business practices. I hope that people will stop paying what they are asking for so that they stop setting a new precedent for how much they can charge for a gpu year over year. And hopefully that wioll be the case now that bitcoin mining is unprofitable. But then again, people are not smart
they actually introduced a lot of new features on their 4000 series. If you want ray tracing without sacrificing quality and fps and have money to spare, it is worth it i guess.
"I don't think Nvidia is greedy"
You literally just mentioned that the 4080 was probably the 4070 but they renamed it so they could charge the high price?? lmao
Nice shoutout to SEUS. Cody definitely deserves the love for that absolute masterpiece of a Minecraft mod.
That intro is pure gold and Im sure exactly how Nvidia marketing would look like if not family friendly.
EVGA leaving Nvidia after a 20 year working relationship. That doesnt happen on accident. I think EVGA (tin hat theory here) can see with the pricing of the FE cards and what the 3rd party cards could cost that they see that customers wont be willing to pay X amount for the 40 series and will run to pick up a "cheap" discontinued 30series card instead resulting in a massive market collapse because nobody wants to buy 40 series and there just arent enought 30 series. You dont just jump ship after 20 years if there wasnt trouble in the water.
I'm actually looking forward to AMD's upcoming cards, but I'd much prefer efficiently these days, specially when here in the UK we're going pay more for your electric. Their 6000 series mobile chips looks so good and already give Valve a great option to upgrade or customise and make the Steam Deck grow into something really neat.
implying valve aren't going to abandon the deck like they did steam machines, steam controllers, big picture and 75% of their games
Get solar panels and a battery. Energy crisis solved.
Not only that, but there happens to be a looming climate crisis. I'd say, right now, energy efficiency is more important than massively increased processing speed.
The power consumption these days is one of my biggest disappointments in GPUs (and CPUs to an extent), ignoring the egregious pricing the last few generations. The bills I pay over in northern Florida are approaching the price of rent, and they keep increasing rates. Environmentally, it's awful to see as well. I really want to see the power consumption trend turn around soon.
RTX Remix is 100% the coolest thing from the announcement. Hope that its backward compatible and continues to receive support into the future.
Big hope LOL
@@V_2077 Fortunately, they confirmed it is in the blog post for it.
The new 4080 12gb card is a 60 series 192 bit bus card, so it can't be a 70 series 4070 but rather is more in line with the 60 series 192 bit 3060 card, so I believe this 4080 12gb is really a 4060
Isn’t the 4080 12GB basically the 4070 in all but name? I guess the optics of a $900 4070 wouldn’t be all that great.
They did this shit with the 2000 series too. the 2070 got the 1080 price and very similar performance.
Now the 4080 full is pretty much the TI or in the 3090 line, and the 4090 is with titan price.
4060 will be renamed as 4070 and will have price tag of 4070
apparently the 4080 is just an unlocked 4070
Yes it is a smol 400 dollar price increase
Oh great. The greedy got greedier.
"I highly doubt team red will be able to take on the 4090"
That's what people said about the 3090, and then the 6900 XT and 6950 XT came along. I don't expect AMD to win outright particularly when they've clearly focused more on efficiency this gen. But I'd be surprised if they don't have something that's closer to the 4090 than it is to the 4080
With how high the pricing on 4000 series is, i don't doubt AMD can be competitive, the whole manufacturing cost increase is bollocks when AMD's 7000 processors cost the same as before with the top spec 16 core going down even.
yeah but the 3090 destroys those amd cards with dlss and rt performance. FSR 2 is here now almost 2 years later and i dont think that they have something that can compete wirh rt performance or dlss 3.
@@frederikgoogel5611 It really doesn't. Especially in rasterization, which is how the majority of people play games.
@@frederikgoogel5611 They should have improved rt performance by quite a bit, even if they aren't particularly focused on beating nvidia in that regard, but they really have to compete with the 3090ti rather than the 4090.
@@frederikgoogel5611 But no one gives a flying fuck about rt. It is still a nice to have not a must have. Time will tell. Say your judgement when Nov* 3 comes and amd actually releases the damned cards.
That's gonna be fun since worldwide the prices for electricity and resources, in general, are on the rise really heavily. Never heard anything from NVIDIA that they are really interested in reducing the heavy power consumption of their new 4000 Graphics Cards Series...🥴
In short;
Unless you absolutely cannot live without cranking RTX to the max, there is *Zero* reason to upgrade if you have a 30 series card.
And this will continue to be the case for the rest of the console generation, especially for anyone with a 2070 or above
Thank you Nvidia for making the GPU situation worse when it was beginning to fix itself. Nothing can justify such an increase in price
In the earnings call Nvidia stated they will still be getting 62-65% profit margins on their cards. I would expect it might be higher on the 80 cards. They will not be losing profit margins
Yeah these are clearly inflated prices to help sell their 30xx GPUs at MSRP despite being 2 years old. I'm not playing this game, I will wait or buy reasonably priced AMD GPUs, whichever comes first.
Yeah I think when they say oh but that is what it cost to make it's double speak since they are the ones making it.
Yup, Nvidia has extremely high margins. The market DOES NOT CARE if your costs went up, supply/demand sets the prices.
So if your costs went up and demand dropped, sorry you have to cut prices.
JaysmzTwoCents made a video about this.
Wow I am now looking forward to AMDs release even more.
Dont get me wrong the cards are amazing, and the performance increases are pretty good, but not for this price. For 1200 Dollars you could build a pc, and now you are expected to pay that much for a single 4080?
Also I planned to build a pc using the new GPU at some point in the next 6 months, but I think I will just build it without the GPU, use my old one, and add a 5000 Series later. Except AMD releases some reasonable priced cards, in that case I might buy a GPU aswell. I hope they will get cheaper, but with the trade restriction regarding china I doubt it.
All the Nvidia graphs have DLSS 3 enabled. These are not like for like comparisons. Curiosity they do provide graphs for Assassin's Creed on their website which shows a more modest uplift.
Back in my day, the RTX 4090 would've been called a GTX (insert generation number) 80 and it would've costed 1/4th of the price. what's sad is that it really wasn't that long ago. 10 years ago, a GTX 680 cost $499 but could be had for around $400 if you bargain shopped a bit. Nvidia is pricing themselves out of the market here. Things are supposed to get better gen over gen at the same price point, but if you raise the price, all of a sudden all your technological gains don't look very attractive. Was waiting for the RTX 4080 (not the 12gb model which is really a RTX 4070) to upgrade my GTX 980, but at this point I'll just buy an RDNA3 card when those launch. Or if RDNA3 is too expensive, or consumes too much power, I'll get a used RTX 3080 for $499 and save $700... Never before has current gen looked like such a bad deal. not even the RTX 2080, and that was pretty awful. Before 20 series was announced I wanted to upgrade my GTX 980 but once it launched I realized the 2080 was launched it was just such a bad deal it wasn't worth it, so I was determined to wait for 30 series. The 30 series launch was garbage. Now that the 40 series launch is also too expensive, it's basically a 20 series repeat. Nvidia has lost my business for the time being. I've waited 3 generations for them to not screw up a launch and my hardware is closing in on a decade old, so either the used market or RDNA3 seems like the way to go.
Brand new technology has never been for the intelligent consumer. The people who buy these things new are the people who want the BEST and want it RIGHT NOW! The 30 series are fantastic cards, and these new cards will drop the price of the last gen. The problem isn't Nvidia's pricing, it's what consumers want. And what consumers want is the absolute fastest product possible, no matter the cost or power consumption or size. If you want something cost effective, power efficient, and reasonable. Go buy a last gen AMD card. That's much more their market, and buying used or previous gen is always a better value. The only reason anyone gives a shit about Nvidia is because they have the best performance, using the very latest technology. Remember that 1nm is is just about 20 atoms across, the technology to reliably make magic sparky sand do what you want at that level is almost incomprehensively expensive and difficult to use. If you don't want to pay for 4nm magic sparky sand, then pay for something else. There are a LOT of other options, they're just worse because they cost less, and they're not new.
How do you protect from getting a counterfeit?
I’ve never heard of a quartereth, is that a new fraction?
Back in your day the 4090 would actually be called a Titan
Hah I'm with you brother - been sitting on a 980Ti for more years than I care to count, for exactly the same reasons. It's a great card, and still games really well - as long you're happy on modest resolutions like 1080p.
Performance numbers seem to be with interpolated frames from DLSS3. So I wouldn't trust them too much. And prices for the 4080 and the 4070 (I refuse to call that thing 4080 12 GB) are just crazy. I really wanted to buy an 4080 and I did actually save enough money. But no thanks, not for that...
hola amd?
AMD it is then
@@vertwheeler3557 AMD doesn't even compete though.
Just wait till you can get one second hand so nvidia don't get your money 😡
@@vertwheeler3557 we dont know their prices yet but im rather considering them as an upgrade from my old 10 Series
@@batt3ryac1d yes they do compete, in terms of raster theyre neck and neck, in terms of raytracing theyre gonna be close
I do have a lot of money, and I aim to keep it this way :)
The biggest gripe I have is that these new launches are small incremental improvements over past gens. I've had a 1440p 144hz monitor for years, and they still can't make hardware that will run 1440p @ 144fps on EXISTING games.
In the past I could expect a $400 GPU make previous generations of GFX hardware completely obsolete and make a leap in terms of performance. These days... meh.
Exactly, almost went for a 3090ti with my trading profits last week, until I realised it can’t even keep gta 5 maxed out above 60fps at all times, ridiculous. An almost 10 year old game. And since EVGA is out I’m retiring gaming, more money in the bank don’t hurt, haha😅.
A 3090 can run on 144 fps if u turn down the settings a bit. You usually shud get like 100-120fps on max settings for the popular games
Personally I wonder if the higher price of GPU these days is somewhat positive because it makes people think twice before dumping their wallets every year/generation of GPU. So potentially less e-waste for future products?
How many people actually replace their cards every year?
I'm sitting on my GTX970 for years now, and going to upgrade with the new generation.Or at least planning. we'll see about the scalpers and prices
@@danepher I doubt that they're the majority of people who buy GPU but there's definitely people out there who care more about buying the latest and greatest without any care to cost or forethought.
Otherwise why do 3090 and 4090 skews exist when they hadn't before.
@@buggiesindustries7550 you do realise exactly none of those enthusiasts just "chuck out" their old gpus? they sell them used on ebay, only for some guy with an old card to buy it (maybe even also selling that only for it to be bought by some guy with an even older card)
Guy spends £1700 on new card, sells old one for £700. Another guy spends £700 on last gen high end used card, sells old mid ranged one for £300. Another guy spends £300 on 2 gen old mid ranged used card, sells shit old low tier card for like £80 or maybe just keep storing them somewhere, or throw them away.
So, if you think about it, the only e-waste is by cards that were going to be upgraded soon again anyway, (900-2000 series cards) No matter the price of the high end ones.
@@SpahGaming there's always going to be someone down the chain of buy/sell who throws things out, hence why it makes more e-waste. Just because they're the one at the top of the chain doing it doesn't make their actions any less frivolous.
Unfortunately there are so many consumers who buy every gen just like how ppl buy CoD. And companies get away with it.
Shader Execution Reorder is not about ray tracing being "single threaded". The inherently random process of path-tracing with monte-carlo Integration means that the rays bounces everyplace. On GPUs, everything is executed in groups (called a SIMT or Wavefront model), i.e a whole bunch of threads are grouped together and only achieves maximum throughput if they are executing the same code at the same time. With random sampling with in ray tracing, it means the GPU workgroups can't execute the same code thus causing slowdown. SER reorganizes and sorts the threads, thus regrouping similar workloads together, thus increasing efficiency and performance. This is still a very simplified answer, I do suggest LTT talk to a expert from Nvidia or AMD or Intel, to make a special video on explaining how the GPU works and why SER matters
It's all about "value", it doesn't matter if it's an innovative technology, if the price is absurd (and it is) the real value is low.
@@danilio999 if you can't buy it you shouldn't care about it. If you are going to make that stupid statement here, sry this is the wrong place
Ty -AC
maybe they should do a turbo nerd vid on GPUs
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This is one of the few LTT videos that really made me upset. Nvidia not being greedy ? Does the fact that the 3090ti dropped in price by almost half in roughly one month show how over priced it was? Screw this video and you guys for backing Nvidia.
LTT is owned by Nvidia lol Linus even says so in his 10 years of Nvidia GPUs video
They are owned by Nvidia and are paid very well to the point where these huge price increases dont affect them because they mostly get everything for free or just buy them without a hitch since they are rich/wealthy by all the Nvidia sponsorships they've done. They live in a separate dimension away from regular consumers.
@@imnotatimetraveler84yearsa39 what? Do you not watch the WAN show? They screwed themselves out of big nvidia sponsorships by backing hardware unboxed and now EVGA. They get the cards for free at least initially because nvidia seeds all reviewers and creators with cards and then the AIBs seed them out too
@@TheRandomshite123 No I dont watch it so I guess I'm a little wrong my bad. But still I'm not entirely wrong they do get some cards for free atleast the first waves and my point is that these type of reviewers are disconnected with the avarage consumer for them is just "meh" that the GPUs are now regularly in the $1000+ range.
Linus builds himself a server for 10k or so this year.
This will be the people buying a 4000 series Nvidia is aiming for.
No one I know will buy a video card for this price.
my main concern about these graphics cards specially rtx 4090 is the power draw its said to go up to 450 up to 650 watts that is a lot of power!! specially now with energy bills going up electric bill at moment for us is just manageable but here in the uk bills are going up again
One thing I have noticed with the high gpu prices is that it keeps the average consumer gpu pretty outdated and low tier meaning most games still don't expect you to have any of these super high end gpus with some exceptions ofc. The RTX Remix though is probably the thing that makes me go nvidia as long as amd doesn't have super value which ofc maybe it is time to go team red.
They didn't promise a doubling of raster! All their numbers were with DLSS on.
So we in fact have no idea how fast these cards really are.
Considering the 50% increase in clock speeds (just looking at the specs sheet, ignoring how cards *actually* boost, which is often higher) and the 56% bump in CUDA core count - what do YOU think this says about raster perf..? This is before we even touch DLSS, 3rd gen RT or the rescheduler.
Either way, this seems like it's gonna double my 3D work rendering speed again vs the 3090 (they have done this from Pascal to Turing, then Turing to Ampere and now it looks like Ada will double it as well), so I'm happy either way.
@@TheUltimateBlooper You're a special snowflake use case. I'm waiting for the benchmarks, twice the performance of for twice the current price still wouldn't be worth it. I'm skeptical and I'm going to wait.
@@TheUltimateBlooper Performance don't scale linearly like that.
Nvidia's charts mean nothing at all, they come from the company making the products so giving them an incentive to "pretty them up", we have no idea if DLSS will introduce latency with it's frame insertion and many other things.
The cards will undoubtfully be faster than the 30xx series cards but without real benchmarks we have no idea how fast they really are but i very much doubt a 100% increase.
The pricing is insane. I was stupidly expecting the pricing to level out, but I guess I was wrong. I'm probably just going to pick up an AMD when they release.
for same amount of $ :::::---)))
yeah you were stupid,if you didnt think nvidia would make price huge so they can coexist with the rtx 3000 serie and sell stocks you were delusional
I picked up a really cheap 3060 ti because I love AMD as much as the next guy but the Nvidia feature set such as NVENC and DLSS is a selling point for me
i need to know more about dlss 3.0. is it compatible with older cards?
Or you can get a 3090 for about 700 on eBay and that will only keep going down in price fast
I just bought a 3090Ti brand new for $1014. Forget about the 4series
LTT is the only channel saying these prices aren't bad. Every single other CZcams Channel is bashing Nividia for these prices.
I've said the past few years LTT has grown out of touch with the vast majority of their fan base snd the tech world at large.
Stuff like this vid certainly aren't changing my opinion any time soon.
Something tells me LTT has always been pro Nvidia.
I remember they had a very positive feedback for 3090 at its original fucking MSRP
@@bhaveshdevjani3278 yep. When you get everything handed to you tech wise, sponsors building your home, etc. you obviously lose sight of what life is like for the average viewer.
@@bhaveshdevjani3278 yep. When you get everything handed to you tech wise, sponsors building your home, etc. you obviously lose sight of what life is like for the average viewer.
Could not be said any better
When NVIDIA Mentioned the Cyberpunk 2077 We all thought they were gonna price the GPU at 2077$
yeah nice joke.
that's reserved for the special edition Cyberpunk 2077 collab /s
Lets just be glad they don't mention Warhammer 40k
@@fajaradi1223 lol
Ray Tracing IS single threaded BUT if one is clever one can predict what rays would need to be traced in the future. For example if a car is scripted to be going down a certain path, at a certain speed the rays that would need to be traced can be worked out in advance. Even if it is not scripted at least the next 10 ms or so of rays could be predicted based on the physics of the situation. Sometimes it will guess wrong and that won't look as good.
those flight simulator videos nvidia shows, its the 3090ti native, vs a 4090 with dlss 3, like of course its going to be a lot better, i wish the actually showed what native on both would be
I suspect the SER is just out of order execution (OOO).
I think about it in terms of laundry. Imagine you're getting ready for a wedding, but you realize you don't have any clean socks. There are two ways you could order your morning tasks to get ready.
Take shower (1hr) -> Wash socks (1hr) -> Put on clothes (1hr) -> 3hr total
In the above putting on clothes depends on our socks being clean so we have to stall for an hour before we can start putting on clothes.
However if we reorder it a bit
Wash socks (1hr) -> Take shower (1hr) -> Put on clothes (1hr) -> 2hr total
There's no dependency between washing our socks and taking a shower so they can both execute in parallel. And more importantly can be reordered.
Modern desktop processors implemented this optimization a long time ago, because reordering cannot be a purly compile time optimization since it also depends on the hardware resources accessible at run time. Nvidia probably didn't do this in early arch's because the speed of a GPU is largely driven by small simple cores, and OOO consumes hardware resources that could be used for more dumb cores.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-order_execution
You literally just said the thing. The exact thing Nvidia wanted you to say and how they intended it. "You're already in $1200 at that point you might as well just get the 4090". Genius marketing by Nvidia and leave it up to LTT to fall for it. This generation is an absolute joke.
Yep, that is exactly the point Jensen want to make, quite surprising they "fell" for it in the first 30 seconds of the video, right?
Sadly not surprising. Linus kinda sold his objective soul quite awhile back. This channel has increasingly basically just become an advert channel over the last couple of years. I seriously can't remember a single video in the last ~2 years that truly had useful info in it (I very well may have missed one). Years ago this channel used to be great, and useful informative videos were common.
This video is an embarrassment. Acting like it's amazing how the 4090 isn't that much more than the 3090 when it launched even though it has so much more performance. Meanwhile it's fricken obvious how they did it. Get rid of the 4070 and sell 2 overpriced 4080's instead. But according to Alex it's amazing!
Called upselling, nothing new ^.^
@@ChowdongsFameCrew thanks captain obvious. whatever would we have done if you didn't remind us about upselling while we're literally talking about it...
What we need is Samung to compete more with TSMC. Problem is samsung 5nm process is no match for TSMC 5 nm. Samsungs upcoming 3nm process looks very promising and hopefully it draws with TSMC 3nm.
Very happy to see that EK is already producing Quantum Vector² FE RTX 4090 D-RGB GPU Water Block and ACTIVE BACKPLATES for those wanting the very BEST cooling possible (stability, overclocking potential, as well as an RGB amazing looking card from both top & bottom), effectively sandwiching their 40-series GPU between two water blocks linked with a single terminal. And of course, reducing the card from 4 or 5 slots worth of height (which is INSANE but required for the fans version - which STILL don't cool as much as a custom water loop with active front & active back plates) to just 1 slot in height also makes this even more attractive, as well as silent cooling.
Personally, I am hoping Asus Rog Strix partner up with EK again, but this time have a RTX4090 GPU option which is sold already with water-cooled front & ACTIVE backplates, so that it saves people the hassle of doing it themselves, is suitable for people too nervous to install one themselves, as well as coming with an out of the box warranty for all parts, & looking amazing with RGB from the top even if you mount the GPU in the conventional manner rather than vertically.
Most people are too nervous to install a water block themselves, which is why it just makes sense for the GPU manufacturers to have options to buy one that comes pre-installed with active front & active back water-cooling (the "premium cooling option"). Not only does it remove the chance that WE break it, it also means you buy a card with a warranty, rather than losing the warranty by water blocking it yourself. It also seems wasteful to pay for cooling fans & heat pipes just to waste (creating e-waste) them when you remove them to water block.
4080 12GB which is basically a 4070 for $899 is bonkers. Also DLSS 3 not accessible for RTX 20 & 30 series, despite the optical flow accelerator has been there since Turing? Way to go Nvidia 😂
4060*
>despite the optical flow accelerator has been there since Turing?
Where did you hear this?
All the fancy features, including optical flow, are practically never featured in any software. The fact that we still don’t have a video player with Optical flow built in makes it look like a fucking scam.
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An 80 class card with less than half the cores of the 102 die, not even the 100. This is a low end card at a higher price than the flagships used to be. Also 4090 for creators? They artificially limit non quadros. 4x faster? what a joke.
Down with nvidia? Yes I'm selling all my shares, no one is going to buy these when they still have 30 series to sell off because they withheld cards to drive up prices. Did it work? No, only miners bought the cards.
#downwithnvidia #dontbuynvidia #fucknvidia
@@residentsleeper11 you know like buttons exist right? No need to copy and paste
The only thing sick about this is how disgusting it is that the cheapest of these cards is basically a grand after taxes, and pulls more power than my entire current setup. The only thing more 'efficient' about these cards is how efficiently NVIDIA can jack up prices and operating costs.
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An 80 class card with less than half the cores of the 102 die, not even the 100. This is a low end card at a higher price than the flagships used to be. Also 4090 for creators? They artificially limit non quadros. 4x faster? what a joke.
Down with nvidia? Yes I'm selling all my shares, no one is going to buy these when they still have 30 series to sell off because they withheld cards to drive up prices. Did it work? No, only miners bought the cards.
#downwithnvidia #dontbuynvidia #fucknvidia
Cheapest 4080 is 1100 euro's in europe.
Dollar and euro are worth almost the same.
nothing gets you quite in the console gaming mood like graphics cards that cost almost as much as a car and draw as much power as 3 refrigerators
Damn these comments really are wild. Yeah, the prices are kinda high and eventually it has to stop, and admittedly the 4080 skews seem a little weird.
At the same time, the tech on these things is absolutely INSANE and gets no respect. This goes for AMD cards as well. Both brands are really pushing the boundaries of tech and its super underappreciated. Also, keep in mind that buying
ANY of the cards from AMD or NVIDIA is a PRIVELEGE. A ton of people couldn't afford any of them, even the lowest specc ones, and that's not even taking into account the rest of the PC behind it. Not to mention that for any gamer most of this stuff is way over the top anyway; my 1080 sc from 6 years ago can run cyberpunk at above 80fps on medium settings at 1080p which is more than enough to be playable. These cards really shine in the creation, simulation, and Al algorithm space where they are actually pushed to their limits.
@@baileyaskew6566 Thanks to NVIDIA the "A ton of people couldn't afford any of them" turned into "A kiloton of people couldn't afford any of them". Decade ago I would not even hesitate to advice to buy PC over console for games. These days? HA HA HA,
I feel like once you get a good baseline level for your gaming hardware it's hard to justify buying something so ridiculously overpowered just to be on the cutting edge. I've got a 3070 and ryzen 7 3700x and it runs any triple a title at reasonable framerates, over 144 fps on all esports titles, there would be little benefits to a 4080 or 4090 besides just to flex the price I paid for it
If you game 4K and above (which is reasonable to leverage hi-DPI screens at 27" 5K and 32" 6K as well) + productivity, the 30 series is more than warranted to not squat on. AV1 encoding alone is going to ensure the 4090 will have sizable demand.
In the article you showed in the video, it says pretty explicitly that the 5nm node (the one fabricating the 40 series) cost is increasing "as much as 10%". Only 16nm+ nodes are increasing close to 20% which is not relevant. I don't know where you got the 30% number from.
So yeah, TSMC is part of the reason our GPU costs are going up, but it's 10%, not 20-30%. Also the fabrication costs are only a fraction of the total production costs, of which much is R&D. So you can't even say Nvidia passing this cost to the consumer would result in a 10% change in price. The TSMC price increase is because of "extraordinary demand", with apple, amd, and Nvidia all bidding for production on the same node. This means that rDNA 3 gpu's are also going to be affected.
Nvidia reportedly paid a huge amount of money to reserve a large amount of TSMC production to meet the massive GPU demand, but this seems to have been a miscalculation, as demand has since dropped considerably and Nvidia is struggling to move old inventory. Nvidia apparently tried to cancel a portion of its orders but TSMC said no. So now Nvidia are in a tough situation where they supposedly have committed to producing too many cards. This plus reports that they've been holding 40 series cards in warehouses since August (I'm not sure how unusual that is) suggest that they are trying to delay this launch as much as possible. They are trying to delay flooding an already surplus supply of GPU's. If demand doesn't pick back up in that time, Nvidia will eventually be sat with the decision between cutting into their margins to lower the price to demand, or creating an artificial scarcity by selling cards at inflated cost and eating the cost of their surplus. Like, maybe Nvidia is just trying to "normalize higher prices", but it's not that simple. They are competing with AMD to sell things that cost a lot of money to produce. They have already paid to produce these things, they can't make money by stubbornly sticking to prices that don't get these things off shelves.
This is why the rDNA 3 announcement is going to be so telling, because it could clue us into how much of these price increases are actually because of cost increases and how much are Nvidia trying to strong arm the market.
There has been so much market volatility in the time these chips have been designed that price volatility is a natural consequence. During the shortage we saw that MSRP didn't matter in an unstable market. We could see the opposite of that in a coming surplus, where Nvidia can tell us a 4070 is worth $900 but that won't mean that people will buy them for that much.
I hope we, as a collective, can actually rally together and let these cards collect dust on shelves.
They'll go out of stock day1. Don't dream.
People say iphones are overpriced and they still sell.
No chance, these gpus will get snapped by the mindless or less informed vast majority who will dump their perfectly usable 3080/3090 cards because of a new release. A fool and their money etc
@@kipa_chu Difference here is you can't compare an iPhone to an Android spec-by-spec since the OS and ecosystems are such a large part of the user experience (arguably more so than chip performance). When you're talking about graphics cards, you're mostly taking about all on PCs, where the price difference you're paying is for marginal improvement. In today's world you can build a very capable machine for less than any of these cards are selling for. There's zero value proposition here, and almost seems like an attempt to squeeze demand for the 40s into the 30s which Nvidia has an excess supply of.
Getting the 4090 on release day, 3090 going back in the box.
@@kipa_chu exactly there are enough rich people who will buy all these cards...litterally everyone in USA buy $1000 iphones and macbooks
They compare DLSS off with dlss on, and not just on, but not specifying if it is using frame creation mode which would actually suggest no improvement at all in raw performance. I can't wait for independent reviews. I hope they arrived before RDNA3 launches so people can have an honest comparison.
Their chart is like me saying yo my car is 2x faster than your car and then i show you a picture and it says your car *graphic bar* and then next to it my car and 2x *graphic bar*. And you go like, holy shit that's amazing.
@@kleist5083 yeah, they are straight up fooling everyone that doesnt have the technical knowledge to understand this, pathetic.
RDNA3 is going to be announced/launched on 3 November, so you should be able to buy them somewhere in December. By that time, the 4000-series will also be available, so yes you will be able to compare. AMD can even use real-world results of the 4000-series in their launch event.
@@eternalbeing3339 4K performance has more input pixels than quality 1440p which is definitely very impressive.
Based off the stats, got any ideas how the 4080's would fair against the 3090ti?
like 33% better i think idk
I feel like that the tech inside dlss 3 should have been done for the rtx 5000.
And for the rtx 4000 they should have stuck with dlss 2 and release a new variant of dlss 2 .
I'm always deeply suspicious of graphs that don't label the metrics that they represent on each axis. 1:35 that line could represent 3 billions of a frame per second from bottom to top for all we know.
Exactly. How to use data to mislead people.
god I hate graphs that don't start from 0. that's how you know something is up
I hope AMD and Intel come and take over the mid and low end.
The 3000 sereis was expensive, but with teh 4000 being even more.....I put my hopes with AMD and Intel
3000 series was expensive during crypto boom. Now these prices are at MSRP. I bought 3080 2 weeks ago. I know, its 2 years old card still being sold at MSRP, but in comparison with 4xxx series and their prices and power usage - 3xxx series seems to be the best buy for best ratio of price/performance.
I wouldn't put too much of that hope into Intel......
yes, nvidia is leaving a HUGE door open for intel to step in with a value option.
@@Iwitrag MSRP after 2 years? No thank you I rather keep waiting
@@Iwitrag how much did you pay for a 3080?
can you do a video where you explain why video drivers from nvidia are getting corrupt it example I can see my google name pixelated and my monitor is stuck at 120 and not 144 when this happens I constantly have to reinstall the drivers
I hope we get to see AMD's GPU's soon and how they compare. I really want to switch to AMD but if AMD ends up falling way behind in every day, it's going to be tough to switch.
I jumped ship when the 20** was out and purchased an RX5700XT. The reviews were terrible, but I had next to no issues and have since purchased an RX6700XT that was slightly used (less than six months old and in an entertainment PC) for £300. I could not be happier, I have not fallen for the ray tracing BS and only really want to play games (Rust mainly) and the Misses is loving playing Rust with the RX5700XT, so it was a win win. Still wait for reviews, but do not forget about second hand versions of the last gen. Good luck Sir.
This might be what finally pushes me to go with AMD graphics
3000 series is currently alot more reasonably priced. If you dont mind 2nd hand ownership, you can also check the used market for people who are offloading their 3000 cards to help cover thr expenses of a 4000 card
@@killtyrant as much as that sounds really good for the consumers, I'd rather personally not buy from these miners which are one of the reasons why NVIDIA is pricing things like this now. My last hope is AMD and Intel to dominated the midrange section.
GTX 980 owner here. I'm thinking of getting new build and this time I'll go with AMD. This prices are just crazy and for my needs, it isn't justifiable. Getting better price/performance ratio with AMD this time around.
Wait till AMD also releases a expensive card. AMD is not a non profit organisation. Everyone is in business to make money.
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Couple things worth mentioning
1. Not all used cards are from miners
2. Theres alot of evidence that points to miner cards being just as well as other used/new cards. So that's just personal preference.
3. At the end of the day, if you're buying your card for a fraction of what a miner paid, how does that effect you specifically? You still only paid the reduced price and the person you bought it from paid the premium.
Too many people (including tech tubers) are too invested what other people are doing and they should be focused on what they actually can do versus trying to hold lofty worldviews that requires 100% cooperation from strangers. It's okay the theorycraft but at some point you have to look at the present.