Plant Carnivory & Nepenthes - Plant One On Me - Ep 046

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  • čas přidán 27. 12. 2017
  • Who doesn’t love a leaf that is adapted to attract, capture and eat an organism? Seriously, this is the stuff that sci-fi is based on, except that these adaptations are in real life. On this week’s edition of Plant One On Me, I pay a visit to Domonick Gravine who not only went to my high school (not kidding! must be something plant-related in the water), but also is the founder of RedLeaf Exotics and a connoisseur of carnivorous plants, particularly Nepenthes.
    This will be a two-part series, including (spoiler alert) a proper greenhouse tour next week, so if you don’t get to see enough cool carnivorous plants in this one, don’t fret: more on that soon. But don’t miss this episode either because Domonick drops some serious knowledge on plants that I don’t particularly collect.
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Komentáře • 141

  • @Robelessd
    @Robelessd Před 6 lety +75

    "I know my tops.." I love this guy!

    • @Mar13579
      @Mar13579 Před 3 lety

      @Saint Trace my bf doesn’t have IG, FB, or anything of the sort, and my IG is ALL my home grown magic mushrooms and rare house plants, just tons of plants lol. No pics of me. It’s a nice thing not to get TOO into IG 🎀

    • @lanceorlando9153
      @lanceorlando9153 Před 2 lety

      you probably dont give a damn but does anyone know a way to get back into an instagram account..?
      I was dumb forgot the password. I love any tips you can offer me

    • @anakinwinston7993
      @anakinwinston7993 Před 2 lety

      @Lance Orlando instablaster ;)

  • @ktinkoff
    @ktinkoff Před 6 lety +51

    Wow, his passion is so infectious! I was mesmerized by this interview, thank you for posting it. I learned so much!

  • @SchneidersG
    @SchneidersG Před 8 měsíci +1

    I love the greenhouse tours from this channel! ❤

  • @espinosaj3
    @espinosaj3 Před 6 lety +18

    OMG he can take me out anytime! Damn handsome.

  • @nachig4754
    @nachig4754 Před 6 lety +2

    Thank you Summer for all your"field trips", with great interviews and I always learn more about plants.

  • @barbll000
    @barbll000 Před 5 lety +6

    OMG, I'm having so much fun exploring these places with you. I remember seeing pitcher plants for the first time as a child. Thanks for sharing.

  • @maud577
    @maud577 Před 5 lety +15

    This is my favorite video from you so far wow amazing this guy is awesome so inspiring. Thank you so much for sharing his story with us. I cant wait to run n find my first pitcher plant. Omg I'm so excited what a treasure this guy is so inspirational. Another fish here who is about to go bonkers with a new bunch of plants!

  • @Miggeddy
    @Miggeddy Před 4 lety +4

    2:19
    its so crazy how they grow up the trees in the wild

  • @vanessawho
    @vanessawho Před 6 lety +1

    Greetings from Chicago! Just wanted to thank you for introducing us to all these wonderful growers! Keep up the good work!

  • @mandyorchids4938
    @mandyorchids4938 Před 6 lety +5

    Brilliant questions Summer! This grower is amazing, I loved this interview.

  • @bazwillrun
    @bazwillrun Před 6 lety +2

    Wow, what a fantastically interesting video...brilliant combination of two people with infectious personalities

  • @plantsathome653
    @plantsathome653 Před 6 lety +7

    these are beautiful plants and very helpful information.

  • @trust_____
    @trust_____ Před 3 lety +1

    Fun fact: Nepenthes comes from the ancient greek word "νηπενθής" [nee-pentheez], which is translated to non {νη- (nee)} grieving {-πένθος (penthos)}, meaning the one who does not grieve, the one who does not feel sadness. They definitely don't look like they feel any kind of guilt for their carnivorous nature!!
    Thanks for the great video Summer!

  • @nathansurrett2088
    @nathansurrett2088 Před 3 lety

    I love this interview so much. Great job on selecting and giving great interviews, its such a delight to watch!

  • @urbanrat84
    @urbanrat84 Před 5 lety +1

    I loved this episode, best one yet!

  • @DJChinChin
    @DJChinChin Před 6 lety +1

    That was great. I was just thinking of buying one for knats. How amazing so many varieties. Thanks for sharing.

  • @TicklishWombat
    @TicklishWombat Před 6 lety

    Ahhhh have to wait a week! 😭 Very excited for part 2! I love his Instagram stories! He is so good at just rattling off those names and he always sounds so happy and excited!

  • @agungpurnomo8
    @agungpurnomo8 Před 4 lety +5

    Deforestation, illegal logging, palm oil plantations, and on top of it, our government is planning to relocate the capital there. This could lead to two, either the presence of the new capital will prompt the need for conservation or encourage more deforestation for settlement.

  • @xoallison12ox
    @xoallison12ox Před 6 lety +12

    Highly recommend visiting Singapore Gardens by the Bay botanical exhibit! It's spectacular & breath taking! They have a beautiful nepenthes collection, floor to ceiling plants everywhere! Great video!

  • @geoffmansell1681
    @geoffmansell1681 Před 6 lety +7

    Fantastic interview. You articulate well and know your stuff. You're passion is an asset to the world of horticulture and Nepenthes specifically. :)

  • @syndydovale14
    @syndydovale14 Před 2 lety

    Amazing, I understand all the passion for Nepenthes, they are incredible. Loves from Colombia ☺️

  • @tinapitts6222
    @tinapitts6222 Před 3 lety

    Love it!!

  • @s0fla1r
    @s0fla1r Před 6 lety +13

    Hi. Just wanna point out that the Borneo Island & Mt. Trusmadi is in Malaysia, not Indonesia. I’m from Kota Kinabalu where Mt. Kinabalu is located & known for the Nepenthes plant & Rafflesia flower. People often confuse Malaysia & Indonesia but that’s ok. We’re neighbouring countries 😁 Love this informative video. So glad that people appreciates the Nepenthes plant & are learning how to care for them.

    • @redleafexotics4722
      @redleafexotics4722 Před 6 lety +3

      Dianecia Edrews yes! I totally know they are separate, but when on camera nerves get the better part ;)

    • @s0fla1r
      @s0fla1r Před 6 lety

      Lol. It's totally cool. You're doing great on video :-) Keep on lovin' & teaching about these beautiful carnivorous plants.

    • @ohyeahemery
      @ohyeahemery Před 6 lety +4

      Haha I was about to type the same thing! Hello fellow orang Sabah 👋🏾

    • @s0fla1r
      @s0fla1r Před 6 lety

      ohyeahemery Lol I know this is kinda late but Hi, org kita! 😘

  • @shannonhansen1641
    @shannonhansen1641 Před 4 lety

    What an awesome interview thank you 😊

  • @_innerpeacekeeper
    @_innerpeacekeeper Před 3 lety +1

    Plant people are so fascinating. I learned so much from this video. I hope to be brave enough to get a nepenthes someday.

  • @shoulders-of-giants
    @shoulders-of-giants Před 6 lety +1

    Wow, Domonick is so sweet.

  • @MonStarGuy
    @MonStarGuy Před 5 lety +1

    I love the music this episode😍

  • @proheadhunter
    @proheadhunter Před 6 lety +1

    Great episode! I have one Nepenthes in a west south Florida window that is not doing very well...now I know how to feed and take care of better. Thank you I look forward to your next episode

  • @leathjurca
    @leathjurca Před 3 lety

    He is adorable

  • @iddybiddyladybugleeza262

    This video is how I found you Summer! When this video came out I remember him posting about this video on instagram!

  • @wheretheyhaveribs55
    @wheretheyhaveribs55 Před 4 lety

    Cute guy. Amazing plants. Great interview.

  • @gwenobenza8820
    @gwenobenza8820 Před 6 lety

    OMG, I wanna visit your garden, Domonick!

  • @Jess-su2bm
    @Jess-su2bm Před 6 lety

    Amazing video thank you! Doing my research before becoming a new carnivorous plant owner! This is amazing knowledge thank you!

  • @anthonygraham1872
    @anthonygraham1872 Před 5 lety

    Love it Summer.

  • @jeanneorr7838
    @jeanneorr7838 Před 6 lety

    loved it

  • @VYT2327
    @VYT2327 Před 4 lety +2

    both Mount Trustmadi and Mount Kinabalu is located in Sabah, Malaysia

    • @jmkoding
      @jmkoding Před 3 lety

      I dunno whether to laugh, cry or rage.

  • @tylervanmeter5628
    @tylervanmeter5628 Před 3 lety

    How did I just see this now? I love my Napenthes alata. It's the plant I've had the longest and what got me into plants. This year I put it out on the deck above my garden and she lived her best life eating bugs and catching water and humidity from the garden. I also love that it eats up those BBQ ruining yellow jackets, one after the other. I call her Georgia. She lives in the sunroom for the winter. I am amazed at how well this plant has done in my semi arid climate and ridiculously strong sunlight. It is a hard plant to find a good bright spot for, but easy. I never have to fertilize. I don't need to worry about watering more than once a week or over watering. Definitely going to try the fish pellets!!!

  • @MariaLuiza-ws6zt
    @MariaLuiza-ws6zt Před 5 lety

    amazing

  • @ummibrahim6126
    @ummibrahim6126 Před 6 lety +1

    Hi Summer! I am from UAE
    I love all the videos and information you share with us.
    I am fond of plants and flowers from childhood and do collect plants everywhere I go...Some friends insisted to teach them how to grow plants and now
    I have small group on whatsapp and I teach them how to make their homes green too...
    I share most of ur videos too and now almost 60 people are following the tips and techniques...
    I loved your today's video too..
    Please give some information on Medinilla plant ( got an gift)...how to propagate and how to keep it alive and happy indoors in UAE climate.. I appreciate and thank you for such an efforts you take to provide us with great knowledge...

  • @telegnes4500
    @telegnes4500 Před 4 lety +1

    Mt.Kinabalu is the highest mountain in Malaysia.

  • @jteeepeee
    @jteeepeee Před 6 lety +3

    Great video. Great chemistry between you two 😉.

  • @morriewyatt6234
    @morriewyatt6234 Před 4 lety +1

    Anyone else spot the Aussie ringer?
    As the camera panned down the bench of various nepenthes species, there is a single Albany Pitcher Plant (Cephalotus Follicularis) nestled amongst the front row, which he has obviously also imported from Australia. (Albany Western Australia.)

  • @DerGrueneBaron
    @DerGrueneBaron Před 6 lety

    great content

  • @TheAurmel
    @TheAurmel Před 4 lety

    I really hope that this video could encourages Indonesian fellow to adopt and conserve its very endemic plants. His patience and commitment kinda alludes me somehow. I can get Nepenthes online in Tokopedia for only one bucks and grow them easily here in Jakarta yet haven't collected it. Good reminder also to find an alternative for mosquito repellent. Thank you for this video Summer!

  • @carmaela2689
    @carmaela2689 Před 2 lety

    I received a baby napenthes a few minths ago. It was in a 2" pot. It has grown so fast and loves its new pot and it is already putting out two pitchers! So easy to grow so long as you keep it just in sphagnum and perlite and keep moist but not soggy.

  • @supriyantiyanti6933
    @supriyantiyanti6933 Před 4 lety

    Greetings from Indonesia.
    Love these plants ❤️

  • @DaibaHito
    @DaibaHito Před 6 lety +8

    so cool! i love carnivorous plant life

  • @chloenoja9582
    @chloenoja9582 Před 4 lety

    i love this vid

  • @jakeryker546
    @jakeryker546 Před 4 lety +3

    0:07 - Harry Potter just left the room

  • @jenniferwebb748
    @jenniferwebb748 Před 2 lety

    What a wonderful video. I just love Nepenthes. Not only are they fascinating but beautiful too. I have ordered three, but I am worried about where to put them as I live in a low humidity climate, and I take pride in my plants and I want to do the best for my Nepenthes.

  • @MicksMasdevalliaorchids

    Great video, glad I found this channel all the plants look awesome, keep them coming.

  • @fiasthoughts
    @fiasthoughts Před 6 lety

    I was hoping for this video, cause of your instagram post:))

  • @arttreestick7434
    @arttreestick7434 Před 2 lety

    There's one type I learned about in some nature doc., that a bat sleeps in, and they poop in the pictures, kinda like the lowii with the shrew

  • @jacobflippin8880
    @jacobflippin8880 Před 6 lety +1

    I have seen these plants in my local nurseries. I was hesitant to buy them, because I didn’t really know too much about them. I might give them a shot.

  • @mrpablomx
    @mrpablomx Před 4 lety

    Nice socks man!

  • @kisschaiyarungsee6484
    @kisschaiyarungsee6484 Před 5 lety

    I wanna go there°°°!!!!!

  • @princesslunakusuma8322
    @princesslunakusuma8322 Před 6 lety +3

    yayyyyy indonesian here

  • @medicwaffles
    @medicwaffles Před 6 lety

    Oh yeah

  • @stephanieteo9672
    @stephanieteo9672 Před 4 lety

    Mt Kinabalu is in my hometown!

  • @MiraiNoha
    @MiraiNoha Před 4 lety +1

    Great vid, Kinabalu is in Sabah, Malaysia 🇲🇾 btw

  • @grisespino8765
    @grisespino8765 Před 6 lety

    Interesting gorgeous plants...glad they can be fed fish pellets 8) the names ...sound so Supercalifragilistic!!!!

    • @tropicalterrarium1742
      @tropicalterrarium1742 Před 5 lety

      read the ingredients for the fish pellets though, if it has funny ingredients like corn, then I would avoid it. The pure blood worms are better.

  • @ayshaalkhaldi4863
    @ayshaalkhaldi4863 Před 4 lety

    i just got one hope it wont die ..nice tips

  • @truongphan9082
    @truongphan9082 Před 6 lety

    Hi Summer Rayne, your videos are amazing and so are your mini jungles. Could you please do a video on Schefflera? I just purchased one with mixed leaves and it's so beautiful I don't want it to die. Thanks a bunch.

  • @JeanneBook
    @JeanneBook Před 4 lety

    Is there another episode of him? Maybe a tour cuz we need more content with him in all honesty 🙏

  • @gailalbers1430
    @gailalbers1430 Před 5 lety

    i love Nephenthes

  • @RealLifeandAveragePeople

    Have you ever started seeds for plants like peperomia's?, if so do you have tips for starting your house plants by seed rather then purchasing plants that have already been started? Also your recipes in your book are really good! Singed: Prairie Girl Saskatchewan

  • @notfromhawaii
    @notfromhawaii Před 3 lety

    We need to be involved. Integration of plants in life. Water signs guide...

  • @ichtus27
    @ichtus27 Před 6 lety

    Funny that i have a flesh eating plant and it is .. well. at its final hour because point one very dry in here. At my grandma it does well, but the beaks are hanging low. It is not a one as he has but with those lets say mouths that close or catch. I do have very tiny flies and therefore interested in what he has, but as i say very dry air in my appartment so i know already its a no no. But so good to learn.. thanks and waiting for next episode.

  • @rickyardian9887
    @rickyardian9887 Před 3 lety

    🇮🇩 indonesia have so much that plant,,,

  • @tarangobarrel7725
    @tarangobarrel7725 Před 4 lety +1

    i live in australia and just found out about exoticaplants.

  • @majormisstake6118
    @majormisstake6118 Před 3 lety

    ❤️

  • @niccigericke1234
    @niccigericke1234 Před 3 lety

    What an adorable person. Also a pisces and also obsessed with plants

  • @BeingJordao
    @BeingJordao Před 2 lety

    Correction, Mount Trusmadi is located in Borneo, Sabah, Malaysia and not Indonesia

  • @56Seeker
    @56Seeker Před 4 lety

    Did I see black pitchers in his green house? I haven't seen that before, and I'd like to know more.

  • @Alizardlovesyou
    @Alizardlovesyou Před 4 lety

    The coolest people are nerds about plants... but I’m biased :D

  • @mjbl4tube
    @mjbl4tube Před 2 lety

    thank you for this amazing video. I just got one of thses little guys, can i put it outside part sun? shade after the last frost in Pa?

  • @banabodambanabobest4951

    👍👍

  • @tirsa37
    @tirsa37 Před 5 lety

    wow. iam here in papua indonesia and never see them before.😭 i have to go out more....

  • @louisecann7118
    @louisecann7118 Před 2 lety

    What a great interview but it would've been even better if we could've seen some of his specimens

  • @sergiobarroso5847
    @sergiobarroso5847 Před 6 lety

    Sorry for always asking non-video related questions here, idk where to ask... Do you you guys know any daily/weekly active forum to talk about plants and ask and confirm doubts? I have so many doubts and I try to read on internet but I see so much different infor that I don't know what to believe in... I recently purchased a plumeria cutting (it's winter here, but a lot of people grow plants in winter inside with good conditions) And i'd like to know if it's okay to put the cutting in it's pot and then inside a zip lock bag to create greenhouse effects? Would it rot the plant or would it be beneficial? What about lights? i have a LED energy saving white 6500K bulb light, is it good to grow plants? if not, what lights (cheap please) do you guys recommend? Thank you.

  • @JaniartoParadise
    @JaniartoParadise Před 6 lety

    Yup, borneo is the center of Nepenthes.

  • @simonpeaime5060
    @simonpeaime5060 Před 6 lety

    What's the song at the start??

  • @roystaab
    @roystaab Před 4 lety

    I tried to root a pitcher plant and followed directions for cutting, put in root tone, put in moss in a small pot, then in a zip lock bag for now a month and a half. today I looked and all is black. what did I do wrong?

  • @rp101aquatics6
    @rp101aquatics6 Před 4 lety +1

    where is this place?

  • @JL_Loki
    @JL_Loki Před 4 lety

    Deforestation in Indonesia is bad up-to now. Their haze has reach here in the Philippines. Every time I think about those palm plantations I think how many species of plants and animals have been dead or displaced. 😢

  • @greggrimsley5337
    @greggrimsley5337 Před 4 lety +1

    She resembles Nancy Kerrigan

    • @dashanthonyflagg9562
      @dashanthonyflagg9562 Před 4 lety +1

      omg i thought that too the first time i saw one of Summer's videos! ha. i love nancy too.

    • @greggrimsley5337
      @greggrimsley5337 Před 4 lety

      @@dashanthonyflagg9562 yes I've always liked Nancy

  • @bonchbonch
    @bonchbonch Před 6 lety +16

    Unfortunately, I need to issue an important warning. People should know Domonick Gravine has a bad reputation in the carnivorous plant community due to a history of suspected plant theft from multiple nurseries including the most well-known, California Carnivores. In the past, he's been caught selling stolen goods, and when confronted, his explanations were investigated and proven to be false. When this topic comes up, Domonick often dismisses it as "a long time ago." He now presents himself as a reputable grower as if none of those events occurred. All this information is still publicly available; I can provide links on request.

    • @bonchbonch
      @bonchbonch Před 6 lety +4

      Gravine wrote this before deleting it: "That’s all false info. But nice try:) be inspired, not jealous 😘"
      To everyone: The "jealous" response is what Domonick Gravine has always used when this comes up. When confronted with the evidence, he disappears. His reputation goes back many years, when he was caught fencing stolen goods under the name Orchidstar87 on eBay. I apologize for having to bring up this negativity here, but this person is well-known in the community for his behavior, and in fact he's the reason many nurseries worldwide require an appointment prior to visitation.

    • @bonchbonch
      @bonchbonch Před 6 lety +5

      Gravine wrote this before deleting it: "I think it’s clear I’m known for the opposite of whatever your slandering allegations from 10 years ago are. Whatever mishaps I had on my eBay from that long ago is my business not yours. My customer reviews and eBay ratings are the proof in the pudding. Please move along and focus on your own life. You’re being what we refer to as a hater :) and you can ask the worlds best nursery Exótica Plant how helpful I was to them during my two week visit, I bet all the plants were still there too;) You’re fighting a Battle you’ll never win. Enjoy your new year and focus on the good stuff xxx and stay tuned for part 2! It’s soooo good!!"
      To everyone: Domonick Gravine always writes "jealous" and "hater" troll responses. He never addresses being caught selling stolen plants or that the explanations he gave for the source of the plants were found to be false. He's suspected of multiple nursery thefts which affected visitation policies worldwide. eBay ratings and feedback aren't much to take stock in--eBay flagged him as a being suspected of fraud, and he used to bid on his own auctions to increase the price. Two names to look up are "Borneancanableo6" and "Orchidstar87". He's well-known in the community and is on warning lists as someone to avoid. The funding for his nursery comes from his partner and not from a successful history as a reputable grower. It's all a front.

    • @breathinggreen2790
      @breathinggreen2790 Před 6 lety +5

      bonchbonch I'm not sure about you 10 years ago but I was a very different person to what I know myself to be now. When you pass judgement on others, you attract judgement on yourself. Summer brings all her plant loving people to us so we can share in the beauty, wonder, magic and joy of nature and it's creations. Your ego and your need to be right will never ever be more important then any plant and neither will I. We only have this moment, so don't waste it on negative illusions of the mind. Be a plant and know your purpose, they don't judge, they are too busy living!🤐🤗✌🐔🍃🌻🌿🍁

    • @bonchbonch
      @bonchbonch Před 6 lety +6

      Donna Bawden, his behavior had ramifications throughout our niche community, some more recent than 10 years ago. People can't force themselves to forget that rare plants were stolen from them. Communities must protect their members by looking out for each other. You are free to make your own judgements regarding Gravine. My only intention is that you do so with full knowledge of his history. His lack of remorse settles that question for me.

    • @breathinggreen2790
      @breathinggreen2790 Před 6 lety

      bonchbonch whatever happened is past, I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong and I'm on no bodies side. My thing is that you are putting these plants , that you and your community love so much, in a bad associatian. From this now I will always think of your beloved plant species in a shadowed light. You are making these wondrous plants wear your negative emotions. Until you forgive you will never be free, don't let somebody else have control of your happiness, you only have a second on this 🌍 . Be free, be happy.😊😎😌

  • @suwadeybasiran3125
    @suwadeybasiran3125 Před 7 měsíci

    Mount Kinabalu in Malaysia not in Indonesia

  • @ipkb
    @ipkb Před rokem

    Mount Kinabalu is not in Indonesia though

  • @WAKEUPARTIST
    @WAKEUPARTIST Před 4 lety +1

    6:52 Guess what?

  • @MrNickjberry
    @MrNickjberry Před 4 lety

    Mount Kinabalu is in Malaysia, not Indonesia

  • @princesslunakusuma8322

    wait so im from indonesia yet i dont have any nepenthes, that guy from usa and he already make a living from nepenthes from my country whaaaaaaattttttttttttttttttt

  • @--Paws--
    @--Paws-- Před 5 lety

    Like the plants in the same places and locations they are found, so are the freshwater fish and shrimp affected by palm oil plantations, poachers and climate change. The whole ecosystem are truly affected by people's interest and the efforts to conserve the habitats of either plant and fish.

  • @suburbanhomestead
    @suburbanhomestead Před 6 lety +6

    What I learned in this episode: even carnivorous plants die when fed meat :-)

  • @viiiderekae
    @viiiderekae Před 5 lety +2

    Nepenthes hmm he should.have said Austronesian. Becauce neps are found from Madagascar to New caledonia, china to australia.
    Not just indomesia

  • @StefanNeher
    @StefanNeher Před 4 lety +2

    He is well-known in the Carnivorous plant community as a suspect in many Nepenthes thefts from multiple greenhouses over the years. Irresponsible to give him this platform without doing your research about him and the hobby.

    • @StefanNeher
      @StefanNeher Před 4 lety +1

      www.reddit.com/r/SavageGarden/comments/alirvf/dom_gravine_of_red_leaf_exotics_who_was_caught/?

  • @InLakech_AlaKin
    @InLakech_AlaKin Před 6 lety +1

    Not "evolved". The term to be used there is "adapted". In order for the plant to go through the process of Darwinian Evolution, it would have to become something other than a plant. A different "kind" of living thing. We haven't seen a different kind of anything evolve into something other than what it was. No evolution. Thanks for the info on these plants. Good stuff.

    • @TicklishWombat
      @TicklishWombat Před 6 lety +2

      rio skyscraper 🙄

    • @simonpeaime5060
      @simonpeaime5060 Před 6 lety +3

      What you're saying is not true... All species are constantly evolving in order to survive. Adaptation leads to evolution...

    • @Itslo13
      @Itslo13 Před 6 lety

      Simon Péaime good correction

    • @InLakech_AlaKin
      @InLakech_AlaKin Před 6 lety

      What you're saying is not true.... at all.

    • @InLakech_AlaKin
      @InLakech_AlaKin Před 6 lety

      "Correction"? What was correct about that response?