How I Run My Mossberg Shockwave For Home Defense
Vložit
- čas přidán 6. 10. 2021
- In this video I discuss how I've setup my Mossberg Shockwave for home defense. You'll see range footage throughout the video as I explain what accessories I adapted to the firearm to make it what I consider an excellent home defense setup.
- Sport
Great video. I liked the concept of this shotgun (fire-arm) the first time I saw it at my local gun shop. Being a retired cop, I could recognize the problems of firing this gun at shoulder level and the constant practice and ammo it would take to be and stay proficient with it firing from the hip. When Crimson came out with their saddle laser sight, I ordered one and purchased the gun from the shop. I was 72 at the time and did not want to deal with the recoil of a 12ga, so I purchased a 20ga. Sighted it in at 25 feet, and keep it loaded with a combo of No 2 buck and slugs. I like it so much that I consider it my go-to home defense weapon. I can see why you chose the system you have and think you are right on.
THANKS!! Glad you enjoyed the video. Even at my not so young age the 12ga version is a lot to hold on to with this design, that's a lot of the reasoning for using the mini shells. I have sense picked up the 20ga Cruiser model based off the Maverick 88, I also have a .410 model by Charles Daly.
I like the .410 best for control, I like the 12ga slug in a mini shell for stopping power, and the 20ga seems to be the compromise in the middle. I'll have a video out in the coming weeks on the 20ga Cruiser.
Thanks for watching and thanks for taking the time to comment!!
There are stock adapters so you could shoot it at shoulder level. I'm not sure the stock adapter would be legal on a 14 inch model because it becomes a short shotgun.
Same configuration for me. In my 70’s and didn’t want the 12g kick on my wrist with the handle on this firearm. My go to home defense weapon I pick up. Laser is important.
Thank you👍. I just purchased FDE Shockwave. Found a company (Defender Tactical in Texas) that makes adaptor similar to Opsol BUT … their adapter allows you to shoot all 3 lengths of shells without removing it PLUS …. It installs securely / won’t fall out like the Opsol can & the 590S rubber pad from factory can as well.
I actually did a review on that adapter last week with the same Shockwave. Worked well.
Thanks for the great video. We at OPSol specifically came up with our adapter for our wives and daughters. We designed it with Aguilas and the Mav 88. All your observations were spot on. The aguila birdshot at 8 yards hits hard, due to cup wad. The Federal Slug is the most accurate, and all the mini bucks pattern well and have solid power.
For those who want more punch, look to the offerings from Exotic Products. The three buck, like the blue shells you bought, are too long, but the rest have worked well for us.
We have reloads in 6 00 buck that are quite effective.
The key thing about this combination is that home defense is a family effort. As such, what would your family members be most effective with....a pistol, an ar, or a shotgun? For us, it was clearly the shotgun, but not with full power shells.
Finally, if you put a pistol brace on the shockwave, the effect on comfort, accuracy, and "empowerment" is significant, and the laser (which is very cool), is not necessary.
Thank you for making the adapter. I set up my Ol’ Lady & mother in law with a shockwave , the adaptor ,& mini shells. Birdshot then buckshot then slugs , it seemed like a guaranteed hit from the beginning. They are happy to be able to handle the 12 gauge & im thrilled they’re able to handle it.
I really like the laser saddle, & how it was zeroed in. I’m about convinced of getting one , thank you.
@@bobawful3198 Thanks for the thumps up. It is pretty amazing to me how easily people dial in with two hands on the gun and low recoil. We took the wives out way way back with a prototype and 100 mini shells. They never stopped shooting until we ran out. That was very telling to us.
Any word on making a similar adapter for the 870 platform?
@@Mr_Ruhl done. but worth putting on the market....not so sure.
@@guillermomaguire5394 curious as to why you think wouldn't do as well as the Mossberg version.
Thanks for the video. I have some suggestions for lowering recoiling and increasing control over muzzle rise. Demonstrated Concepts LLC. makes a recoil strap that is very effective and they also made a number of youtube videos that are useful and well worth watching. Additionally, Vang Comp will port and customize your barrel. This also will significantly limit recoil and barrel rise. They started doing this when approached years ago by parts of the US military in regard to the aforesaid two issues. Finally, applying a Pachmayr grip glove prior to the recoil strap mentioned above will optimize the overall result. I hope everyone finds this useful.
I agree. I did similar. I used a 2 point sling. At the birds head grip I set up a hand sized loop/sling. Using both grip tape and loop makes it comfortable. Without that my hand quickly got beat up.
Thank you for the video. I enjoyed your straight-to-the-point content.
FYI. Aguila is the Spanish word for eagle (note the eagle on the box). It is pronounced: Ah-geel lah with the accent on the Ah, and the g is pronounced like the g in "give."
Great to know, thanks!
Who cares
@@Anthony-1216people who have respect for other cultures lol
Just ordered the 590S Shockwave 18.5”.
I like that you don’t need an adapter to run minis.
I also wanted a longer barrel to mitigate the recoil a bit better.
Great video and a solid setup!
I subscribed 🔔
Thanks for watching!!
I wish the S model had been available when I got mine, still may switch over. I think once my adapters wear out I likely will.
Going with the 20 gauge Shockwave instead of 12 to reduce recoil. Prices may change, but as of today, 12g minishells are 6x more expensive than standard 12g shells..if you can even find the minis. Standard 20g shells in all shot sizes are readily available at normal prices.
Yeah I haven't seen mini slugs for over a year now, if I was looking to purchase a shockwave today I'd seriously consider the 20g model too.
Great video!!! Let me share what I am running on my Mossberg 590 Shockwave. I have ordered several different parts and tried them all. Here is my current setup: CDM Gear MTRS light mount with 3 rails (VERY sturdy!), Streamlight TLR-1 1000-lumens light (this thing is so bright and has a strobe feature), UTG Bulldot compact green laser (extremely pleased with this guy), Monstrum side saddle with top picatinny rail (great quality and very sturdy), GG&G QD rear (actually side) sling mount (replaces the trigger housing pin). I changed the safety switch to a NDZ safety (easier to operate) and I am running a Blue Force Gear Vickers 2-point Sling. WOW! I love this set up! This has become my #1 go to gun for home defense, over several 9mm pistols and an AR-15 rifle.
Are you using mini shells or regular shells?
Super helpful video. I'm going to get one and set it up just like yours.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching!!
Thanks brother I have a Shockwave as well and I loved your setup
Not a problem, glad you enjoyed the video, thanks for the view!!
590S is my home defense and truck gun. Thanks for the laser sighting tip. Going with the UTG Bulldot on mine.
NICE!! I'm really debating on upgrading to the 'S' model. I like UTG products, hope that Bulldot works out for you!
Thanks for watching!!
Brother I have the maverick 88- 181/2 inch barrel brought it in 1995 still runs great at the range today
The minnie shells are SWEET 👍🏿🎯👍🏿great for the home 👍🏿
NICE!! I had a Maverick 88 and it's a great shotgun, I traded it and kind of wish I hadn't. Thanks for watching!!
Cool shotgun. The laser is a nice touch!
Great video direct and easy to understand thumbs up
I'm glad you liked it, thanks for watching!
Oh nice, I just learned that there is a miniclip for the shockwave. Thanks for the video.
A couple brands now make an adapter if you don't have the newer 'S' model Shockwave. I did a video on the newer adapter earlier this year. Thanks for watching.
Early on I discovered that a single point sling with the shotgun pushed out taunt helped in recoil control. Sort of a push me pull you thing, in addition, it allows you to let the shockwave hang ready at your side if you need your hands while moving or need to transition to a handgun. Nice setup you have, I like the laser. I have a red dot and the Streamlight TL Tracker Forearm with built-in bright light.
I've been debating on changing the forearm out with a light version, I'll have to try out a single point sling with it too, thanks for the ideas!!
Nice setup.
Excellent shooting.
Love your setup. Im debating getting the new 500S that ill take all different types of shells. I also have a 500 Mossberg with the inset for the smaller shells.
Perfect set up .
Mine should be to my FFL tomorrow. I’m definitely running the minis. Gonna get the laser as well. Thanks
Nice! Be sure to shop around for the laser, the prices are all over the place online.
That’s how I do it: Aguila 1B/4B, green crimson trace, streamlight TL Racker.
It’s a blast.
good job cp, nice shotgun modif.
Great video sir
Thanks
My 590s should be here next week. I decided to go that route as it will cycle all sizes of 12ga shells and can hold a mix of them all if needed - no adapter required! In a hectic or panicked situation, it's peace of mind knowing I can grab any shotgun shell quickly, load it, and fire without having to think about it.
Now that the 's' models are out, I might have to upgrade, problem is my wish list is already pretty long, lol.
@@citizenpew I hear ya lol - sign yourself up on the "notify me" section for the 590s on impact guns. I was able to snag on there for $499 out the door!
That's a good price, nice!! I'll have to check it out, thanks.
First thing I got for my Shockwave was the CT Laser. It made shooting from the hip reliable and accurate beyond my reasonable need for home defense. Next was the adapter. The mini shells are awesome, but not something I'm using for HD. I prefer the Federal LE Tactical 00 (le 133 00). It's also a reduced recoil.
Minishells buckshot #4#1 and not losing your hearing for the win for HD.
Great video! Have you seen that Mossberg has just introduced the Shockwave 590S and the Mossberg 590S? Supposedly you can mix and match 3", 2.75", and 1.75" shells in the same tube......AND you do not need any kind of adapter to shoot the shorty shells now.
I have, and I'm seriously considering one of them.
I just recently picked one up, and it's amazing 👏🏿 🙌🏿
I was planning on getting the CT green laser when I get my shockwave but after thinking about it, I think Im going to go with a Streamlight TLR RM G2 mounted on a picatinny on top of the receiver. I wanted both a light and laser but didnt want two different units and controls. I think this will give me the best of both worlds with minimal bulk and complication. It will take some custom work to mount the pressure switch in a good location but thats part of the fun with new guns.
Great video!! Just got one.
NICE!! I think you'll like it, If you picked up the standard model I have a second video on the Shockwave demonstrating the Defense Tactical insert too if you are thinking of using mini shells.
Thanks for watching!!
Mine is a 20 ga and i aim it like a shouldered one "no hip firing" and i hit everything i want as fast as i want with hunting ammo no recoil problem, easy ammo to find
Nice!!!!! I like mine and yes those slugs/recoil will beat u up kind of bad,lol I like the way u have yours set up👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Especially the 2 3/4" slugs, using the mini's definitely makes a difference.
@@citizenpew Awesome!!!
you said you got the laser to be able to shoot from the hip then you took every shot from the shoulder :D I have two of these firearms, with lasers on both, one set up with the mini clip and one firing the big boy shells! Awesome firearm!
Thanks for watching the video, my hip shot footage didn't turn out to well so I cut it out, I'd hoped it wasn't too noticeable, lol, well I tried.
A nice feature of the mini clip is it is easily removeable, if I were to use it 50/50 between mini and "big boy shells," lol, I'd probably have two myself as well.
Great comment!
I run the 590s. My crimson trace is ineffective, at best. $200 out the window. I put a picatinny rail on top, and a Holosun reflex. I have a Demonstrated Concepts recoil strap on the Birds Head grip. I store my with 590s with The Aguilla mini shells 2 slugs in first, followed by 4 shells of 00 buck and 2 Bird with 1 2 3/4 shell of Rock Salt in the pipe. I have a side saddle with 6 2 3/4 00 Buck ready to go. At the range I train with a mix of full and mini bird and buck. Loading and reloading drills as well. This gun goes with me everywhere, I do not keep a shell in the pipe when in the truck.
I find the Crimson Trace pretty ineffective outside in daylight, inside and at night is where it is useful in my opinion. I really like the Aguilla mini slugs, wish I could find some more of them, they're one of the few rounds I've still been having a problem finding. I'm really considering upgrading to the 590s model, I like the idea of having multiple length rounds in the tube and not needing an insert for the mini's.
Thanks for the comment and watching the video!!
Props for NOT flinching on the last empty shot of the Shockwave. LOL.
I APPRECIATE HIS FOCUS ON THIS TOPIC. IT IS NEEDED.
MANY HAVE EXPRESSED BEWILDERMENT ABOUT HOW TO HANDLE NOT ONLY THE SHOCKWAVE BUT ITS KIN.
ON THE DOWNSIDE, HE WAS CLEARLY NOT FULLY PREPARED AND THAT LEFT GAPS IN WHAT SHOULD/COULD HAVE BEEN SAID.
HE ALSO TENDED TO REPETITIOUSNESS.
I WOULD BE VERY PLEASED--- I THINK MANY WOULD--- IF HE ADDRESSED THIS AND RELATED SUBJECTS AGAIN!! THIS NEXT TIME BEING BETTER PREPARED.
THANK YOU FOR THE EFFORT.
Looks like a great little shotty, I'll have to look into it...I like the added laser as well...
I have a cheap little 20 guage, H&R Pardner Pump Protector...For a cheap shotty, it surprisingly runs really clean...I think I paid around $200 for it...Only downfall is its heavy as hell, but the weight does suppress the kick...
The shockwave is really nice, but there are other models similar to it such as the Charles Daly Honcho I mentioned, which I did a video on; as well as other brands and in different calibers. I'm not sure the laser or the mini adapter are available for those though.
@@citizenpew I love my 20GA honcho. I have a weaver-to-picatinny rail riser on it, so, yeah, laser and red dot right on top!
Cool gun. I bought 2 at same time. One for in my truck and one by the bed. Tried the chainsaw grip on one, didn’t work out for me
I thought about one but settled on a bull pup SG instead so can shoulder it and not kill my wrists, hit targets at longer distance but still be a small package
I'm looking to get one with the CT laser saddle already installed. One mod that I want to make to it will be a lighted foreend, such as the Streamlight TL Racker or the Surefire DSF-590 (if it would fit). At night, I want to see what I'm pointing that firearm at before I take it off safe.
Both the Streamlight TL Racker and the Surefire DSF-590 should work with the shockwave from everything I've read. I'm a big fan of Streamlight personally, I think the quality is exceptional for the price.
@@citizenpew I’ve never had quality problems with either company’s products. Seeing that the Stresmlight is about half the price of the Surefire, I may get the Streamlight when the time comes.
I think you'll be happy with either, but the price tag of the Streamlight might make you happier, lol.
I think you shot it well. Love my shockwave. Use slugs and 00. I do use good old lasers.
Great 👍 Job!!!
Thanks!
5+1 for 2-3/4 in mine. 3” is 4+1 but nice video. Just got mine and I love it, a hundred shells in one sitting and didn’t bother me at all
Nice!! Did you get the 'S' model so you don't need the insert for mini shells?
Thanks for the straight forward video. I especially like the crimson trace set up part. What do you think of the 20 gauge version for home defense? Thanks, Joe
I'm glad you liked it, thanks for watching!! As far as the 20 gauge version I think it'd do fine with some standard 00 Buck or Slugs, I don't think I've ever seen 20 gauge mini's so you may be stuck with 2.75 shells, but with the reduced kick of a 20 gauge I'd guess it should be fairly manageable. I also have a .410 Charles Daly version of this firearm, and cycling 3" slugs in it is no trouble to control. The 20 gauge may be that happy medium, a good bit of power and just minimal recoil control necessary.
great video...just got a Shockwave!😃
I think you made a good decision!! Did you get the 'S' model by chance? I've been considering upgrading to it since it doesn't require an insert for the short rounds.
Just bought the Defender Tactical vs of the Opsol. It takes a few minutes to install (5min) and it replicates the 590S. You can put any shell in without changing anything. Mix and match if you want. $25 in my hands.
It's a nice adapter! I switched over to it as well, did a video on it. Much better than the Opsol.
Mossberg released the new shockwave (shockwave 590s) that can cycle both regular and minishells reliably without messing with an adapter at all.
Well, now I have to buy another gun, lol. I'm actually looking at the full size version with this capability; see how it compares to my 870.
@@citizenpew they have both shockwave and normal config. Shockwave holds 8 minishells and normal holds 14 iirc.
Definitely the normal config for me, the Shockwave is cool and I enjoy mine, but I already have it and the CD Honcho, plus 14 mini's, that's enough for a mag tube dump, lol.
i was going to get the ct laser but put give the 200 to the atf and sbs it went that way i love it with a stock
Love the video!! I have the Remington Tac 14. Same gun different brand almost 🤣. I can say it’s a fun little monster. I’d definitely recommend you not playing with your trigger finger when shooting it like you did @1:23 😕
Luv my mossy 500, it has a AR style adjustable butt stock and 18 inch barrel so I can make it pretty small. But that little boom stick looks pretty darn fun 🐸
Sounds like you set up your 500 much like I set up my Remington 870, both great firearms.
I have the 870 tactical but I just left the solid but stock on it with a nice limb saver shock absorber pad...why mess with perfection 🐸
That's the 870 I have, the tactical, and I agree, it's fairly perfect the way it is; but I'm the type that can't leave well enough alone, lol, I always have to make at least one mod.
I just bought a 590 SPX. Is using mini shells just tuning this thing into a 20 ga? Wouldn’t it just make more sense to get the 20 ga then?
While the mini shells have less power behind them than say a 2 3/4 round, I think the primary benefit is more rounds in the tube. I might have to do a test though to see what the power difference is between a 12ga mini slug verses a 20ga 2 3/4 slug, that would be interesting to know. Great question!!
Just acquired my dark earth Shockwave. I'm running the Defender Tactical adapter, the Stream Light TL-racker, and Crimson Trace. Was wondering if you now have a round carrier on the receiver.
I still haven't put a round carrier on mine, I have one on my regular model, but the way I store my Shockwave for quick access doesn't accommodate a round carrier. I'd have to redesign my storage for the additional room.
I`ve been looking for a 20ga. The down-side is I`m not seeing 20ga. ammo.
I’m able to get 5 shells of 2-3/4 in my tube. You only get 4?
Love the opsol clip. Always worried about over penetration
I almost bought one of those a few days ago but went with a cruiser model Mossberg. At least I know the cruiser model is 50 state legal pistol grip and I don't have to worry about a sudden law change instantly making me a felon for owning the damn thing like they did with the pistol braces. You can bet money they're coming for that kind of shit next. Which really sucks because it's absolutely ideal for a truck gun. But the cruiser model is only 2 in longer than the shockwave. So with my 18 and 1/4-in barrel and pistol grip I'm at 28 in where the shock wave is at 26 in. It isn't worth the future legal trouble to save 2 inches
I have a shockwave, mostly for fun but also for in home self defense (not my first choice - would use my Beretta 1301 first). But it's a lot cheaper than a 1301 and I added cut bicycle tube around the birdshead which gives it better grip, then took off front strap and smoothed off the rough edges with a lighter, then refixed it so it's on there solid, then added a picatiny rail to the top of the reciever that also has a 45 degree rail off it. Added a Crimson trace green pistol laser mounted upside down on top and to the side a small tac light. Then added a Universal Minishell adapter that allows use of either minishells or regular shells. It's not a bad bump in the night gun now.
If it was mine I'd put it thru my own testing standards and then decide on a sweet staging spot and rely on her for that "bump in the night". I'm going to set up a Mossberg Maverick cruiser with a bird's head grip on it as a mini shell gun with 8-9 rds. and test her out. I have a heat shield with a ghost ring sight for it and going to mount a light on her. Good to go.
Makes a gun more effective when you bolt everything possible on it. Go get em Rambo.
Does the laser mount behind the safety, get into the webbing of your right hand? Betwen the thumb and trigger finger?
The laser mount actually covers the safety with a cut out to allow operation of the safety. Personally I've never had it rub into the webbing of my hand, even shooting 3" slugs my hand has never is the laser mount that I recall.
Thanks for watching!!
In the footage st the end. There was one occasion when you came up in target and then lowered without shooting. It seemed like you lost the laser in the bright sunlight. Is that what happened? Cheers!
It was, one of the down falls of lasers in day light. I had the sun to my back and the target being very bright made it difficult to keep my eyes on the laser. Of course it could just be my eyes getting old too, lol.
@@citizenpew I just ordered mine with the CT laser. Unfortunately, the preinstalled model only comes with the red laser from what I hear. I wish it was the green version, since you can see it in the daylight a little better.
I know from CT you can order both red and green, that stinks you can't select red or green on the preinstalled model. I don't have any green lasers personally, I might have to get one and do a comparison video.
Hello - in the videos at the end you appear to be aiming the gun as if you were holding it at eye level. But isn't the idea of the laser so that you can shoot from the hip? Also, near the end you aimed several times but then hesitated and didn't shoot? Could you explain what was going on with that? Thank you very much.
The laser assists in aiming regardless of the stance taken by the shooter, whether a hip shot or an aimed shot, if the laser is set up right the shooter will always see what it's pointed at.
I'm not sure what part at the end you're referring to, there was a point I was just looking to see how well the laser did at longer distances.
There's another company called Defender Tactical that makes an easily installed metal adapter that allows the use of 1 3/4 and 2 3/4 as well as 3" shells and will not fall out like the Opsol does occasionally. Give it a look.
Just checked it out!! I'm going to have to get me one of those. Thanks for sharing that with me!!
Came here to say this. 👍👍
@@citizenpew Their bird's head strap is awesome too.
Would love to see the mini shell adaptor in the Charles Daly Honcho!!!
Are you going to put a light on it? I see they make a stream light forend replacement
I thought about it, I'm kind of back and forth regarding it, but I really like stream light products, so may make for a good video too, then I don't have to worry about deciding, lol.
Thanks for the watch!!
I've been trying to find somewhere that sells that CT laser in Canada/will ship to Canada. Any ideas?
I've seen it on Amazon and Optics Planet, unless there are Canadian restrictions on the device I don't see why they wouldn't ship there.
Okay, I bought the 590S shockwave, and the green Crimson Trace, and I have a question. The cross pin on the Crimson Trace has the 2 screws, and a single washer that, in the instructions, appears to go on the left side, or metal side. I looked up the instructions online, and that PDF doesn't show any washer. The strange thing is, the recess on the laser side looks like it would be the natural place to put it, since it's plastic, and has a recessed area that looks like it would fit. I'm wondering what yours looks like, and if you have any suggestions.
Well, I just looked at mine and I didn't use the washer on either side. I've had my Crimson Trace on it for a year or so now I think, I haven't had any issues with it loosening up or anything. I found the washer in the laser box in a bag so I guess I decided not to use it, lol, but it would appear to go on the laser side of the mount like you're thinking.
Hope that helps!!
@@citizenpew Thanks for the reply! It was really bugging me last night, so I finally reread the manual, and there amongst the fine print, it states that the washer is for use with the 20 gauge shim. Ha! Guess I was so excited to get the thing installed I missed that part. Anyway, I watched your video last week before I bought the laser, and also got the bore laser to sight her in like you did. That's today's mission.
Thanks for the video and all your help.
I forgot that it also fits the 20 gauge, that makes sense now. I had the instructions in my laser box and didn't even look at them, lol. I understand the excitement, been there many times, and with that bore laser you shouldn't have any issues sighting that in.
Glad the videos helped out, and thanks for watching!!
I sighted my laser the same as my height over bore at 50 yards. I always put the laser just a tad high on the target at close range too. At further distances the pattern opens up anyway. That way, at further distances I won’t be shooting too high. I picked up the Shockwave 590S and run the Mini-Slugs or 2-3/4” #8 shot. So much fun.
Gotta set me one of these up
They're fun, that's for sure, lol. The laser is a bit expensive, but I saw one at a local Rural King with the laser already on it for cheaper then buying them separate, so you might look around if you decide to get one.
Not sure if anyone has seen Demonstrated Concepts, LLCs recoil strap for this firearm. If you watch some videos of Rhett shooting the Shockwave, the strap helps! I’m not affiliated with him, but believe in his products and techniques. Check him out!
I've seen a couple brands now making recoil straps for the Shockwave, I'll take a look at this one thanks!
Does the mini clip adapter prevent you from cycling standard shells? Thank you for all the other information.
Yes, it will prevent standard shells when installed. The newer version of the Shockwave, the 590S, is able to load standard and mini without an adapter. If you are looking to purchase one, I would recommend the S model if you want to switch back and forth or mix load.
Hope that helps!
@@citizenpew Yes it does. Thank you very much! That will be the one I will be looking into. God bless.
Yes it does.You'll have to remove the adapter to shoot the 2.34" shells...
@@mr.e479 Thank you. I guess it’s not the thing for me.
Thnx.
Similar set with mine, longest part of the house and driveway about 35 feet laser, and 400 lumen flashlight
I've tried it with and without a flashlight, my issue is where I have it stored, a side laser makes it too wide. I've been thinking about trying the grip with a light in it, but haven't really pursued it other than thought right now.
Thanks for watching!!
Can you post a video on installing the lazer? I have one, but I haven't installed it for fear of doing it wrong.
Crimson Trace has a good illustrated PDF. I've attached the link.
www.crimsontrace.com/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-crimsontrace-master/default/dw8ba8028b/manuals/01-7810/LS-250-installation.pdf
Maybe you shouldn't own a fire arm. It's not rocket science.
You bought the laser saddle or got the shockwave that comes with the laser saddle?
I bought it, I don't believe they offered it with the FDE model at the time I purchased it.
If you raise the thing to your eye to aim it, then why not just use a stock? Surely the whole point of not having one is to shorten the platform, but if you use it like a long-gun it defeats the whole object! Personally I'd rather shoot from the hip and aim with a laser, but that's just my preference. Whichever way you look at it, the Shockwave is a pretty neat piece of kit. Love it, love it, absolutely love it!
You are absolutely correct in my opinion, the point is to have a shortened platform for more versatility. Shooting from the hip does well in low lighting at close range when the laser is on but takes a lot of practice to do without a laser and be a decent shot. The red laser is horrible in the day light though, I hear the green lasers do much better. As far as shooting from a long gun position, the firearm does far better with accuracy and without a stock can be tucked back quickly for easier movement between spaces. Shooting it single handed is also an option if necessary, but with heavy loads it kicks the shooters arm all over the place, with the mini's recovery is much quicker single handed.
Great comment!! Thanks for watching.
@@citizenpew Re: Green Lasers: yes, I understand that is correct. The human eye is more sensitive to the green wavelength, and a green dot is better defined and more visible than a red one in any light, particularly daylight. Keep safe, friend.
@@MSM4U2POM14:20 14:20
0:53 did you consider the Shockwave in 20g? Less kick.
I have the Cruiser in 20ga, less kick but I didn't like the pistol grip.
In my opinion these types of shotguns are made more for close quarters, also I believe Remington and federal now make mini shells.
Where can I find mini shells? I’ve been seeing them out of stock everywhere
They're still tough to find here in Tennessee, there's a couple places that get them in from time to time, but still hit or miss.
The Defender Tactical Cartridge Adapter is better than the OPSol Mini-Clip because it permits you to shoot from 1.75″ to 3" shells....
I have a video on that one as well, learned about it a few months after making this video. I do agree, it is better.
Do you have to be 21 to buy a shockwave? Since it’s not classified as a shotgun
Good question, because it is classified as a firearm and not a long gun you do have to be 21 to purchase one.
Finally got a shockwave, SI Exclusive with Cerakote (sp?) a few weeks back. I absolutely love it. Thanks for the video!
Edit: I prefer to keep mine loaded with 7.5 (2 3/4) for home defense with 00 Buck (2 3/4) and 3” slugs available, especially since the minis are about double the price. I love the kick. 😈😈😈
Congrats on the new firearm, good luck with those 3" slugs, lol, them kick-ith a lot-ith.
1:31 Come through his door & THATS WHAT YOULL GET❗️❗️ Love America.
Mossberg produces a Shockwave with a Crimson Trace equipped and three position buttons.
I wish they had that model available when I picked up mine.
Put the Streamlight Tracker forearm & light combo on it & you got a working combo,!
I have one on my tactical shotgun and it's great, I've considered it for the Shockwave but get distracted and spend money on other guns stuff, lol.
I had an arm brace added
Can't find 1.75 mini anymore. If using a 12 gauge mini the shot is more, but power is not much more than 410. The 410 is plenty big enough for inside the house. 12 ga is not needed for inside shooting.
The 1.75 mini's are extremely hard to find for me as well, I found some Federal bird shot 1.75 shells a few months back but the Aguila are no where to be seen. Charles Daly makes a similar firearm called the Honcho and it comes in .410, I did a video on it at some point; but I agree, a 410 in the home is plenty shotgun, especially with some defense rounds.
Thanks for watching!!
Should I get 12 gauge and run minis or the 20 gauge?
I have a hard time finding both 12 gauge mini slugs and 20 gauge slugs right now, same with buck shot in both. I think it's a coin toss regarding the ammo option. One thing to consider though, you can always run regular ammo through the 12 gauge too, so it may open you up for more ammo options during a shortage like now.
@@citizenpew thanks. This is being considered for purchase as a hog defense gun just bc it’s so likely I’d actually want to take it with me. My main concern is knocking my teeth out with the 12 gauge hunting loads. I’m pretty good with recoil, though. I agree that minis and 20 gauge are next to impossible to find at this time. Might be lucky just to find 12 buck shot so that alone may be a reason to choose the 12 gauge.
lol, I understand wanting to keep your teeth. Honesty though, 12 gauge 2.75" buck shot and slugs are manageable, but you wont want to do it all day long through this, even for stout individuals.
20 ga ... I have 2 that live in my truck and boat
Try targetsportsusa for 20 gauge. I've seen minis in 20 gauge at 1 gun store.
Pistol grip with AR style pistol brace. You'll love it. And it remains a "firearm"
My adapter keeps falling out. Any suggestions other than tape
That's the one bad thing about these adapters, after so many times of putting them in and taking them out they lose their shape just enough not to stay in well. My first one had the same problem, I haven't taken my second one out since I put it in. It's unfortunate, but my best suggestion is to get a new insert.
Switch to the Defender Tactical adapter. Way better option and no more expensive.
is BIRD SHOT effective for home defense or is it just going to get you into trouble ?
Well, it depends on who the intruder is, some will run at the sound of a shot, others don't run. Many people use a combination of bird shot, buck shot, and slugs. Basically first round is bird, the next couple buck, and the last few slugs. For home defense I just use all buck shot or all slugs.
How to use as home defense? There is no question someone breaks in trying to rob you or kill you you don't worry about recoil or how cool or color of the gun you shoot to protect
30' is probably the best distance, if the dots are ¾" point blank then they're probably ¾" at 60' which is probably maxish distance.
My mother is 70 and has osteoporosis, she had no problem at the range with buckshot.
I prefer the Leapers UTG Instant Target Aiming BullDot Green Laser. Broad coverage, easier to see.
I'll have to look into that some more, I'm always up for trying something new; and I've had good luck with UTG products myself.
Thanks for watching!!
I'm 6'3 300 pounds and it is a handful with 3" magnum 00 buck shot
lol, yep, I shot one load of 3" shells and said, nope, no more 3" shells.
Where did you buy that laser?
I believe I ordered it on Amazon.
@@citizenpew Thanks!
no problem.
I'm not a fan of pistol grip shotguns, but I will say the 2 biggest reasons I think pistol grip shotguns are not a great idea were the ones you attempted to mitigate with your modifications. Recoil/speed on follow up shots and sighting capability. One thing I might suggest if you are going to use this set up for home defense is to use mini buckshot when you can find some as opposed to slugs. Nice video. :-)
A pistol grip shotgun for home defense definitely has it's challenges, as you mentioned the recoil and recovery. Now that the model S version of the Shockwave is out, the need for an adapter is no more, but the wound chosen can greatly change it's effectiveness like you said. Mini Buckshot will not work in this model with the adapter, at least none I found, mainly due to being just slightly longer than the slugs, but it does work in the S model, which is good.
Either way, it is a challenging firearm to set up for an ideal home defense, I definitely agree on that.
Thanks for watching!!
@@citizenpew Ya know, I have a pile of great shotguns. Benellis, Berettas, IWI, KSG. The one closest to where I sleep is a Mossberg 500 Cruiser model modified with the new Magpul SGA stock and a Magpul MOE forend. It's old as shit and has 30 million rounds through it and the only thing I ever had to do was replace the safety ( after about 20,000 rounds). Take care of your shotgun and your shotgun will take care of you.
Nice! I can relate to that, my end all be all go to shotgun is still my Remington 870 tactical with Magpul furniture.
@@citizenpew Agulia mini buckshot #4#1 cycle perfect with the adapter. I've put 100s through my shockwave...so have others..
Unfortunately I haven't been able to get my hands on the Agulia mini buckshot yet, that's good to know. The NSI and Federal mini buckshot I've found haven't been able to cycle through it. Odd thing in my area is I can find the Agulia slugs and birdshot, but not buckshot.
I would put a small strip of Gorilla tape to keep that OpSol insert from slipping out.
I haven't had any issue with it moving out of place yet, but that is definitely something I'm watching for as I continue to practice with it. Being that there is no retaining device other than the molded rubber pushing against the receiver frame I see a very potential issue if the rubber degrades or the device is removed and inserted to many times.
I got some fakes on Ebay, they work and stay put. I suggest the OpSol ones, buy those direct. Good guys to deal with.
That’s why I bought the shockwave in 20 gauge. I have #3 buck shot loaded for home defense and hiking, unless I’m in bear country. Then it’s loaded with slugs
Discover the Shockwave recoil strap.
I’m not really a fan of the laser. I spend more time looking for the dot. They seem slow to me.
During the day I definitely agree, the red laser is pretty much useless outside in daylight. I hear the green laser does better but haven't had a chance to try one out yet.
I bought mine with the laser installed. So I didn’t need to line it up myself.