IMPATIENT PILOT? 😯
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- čas přidán 6. 05. 2023
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As far as I’m aware, this was NOT an ATC related situation: it appears the MAS pilot(s) maybe didn’t expect the BA jet to hold for so long? just bad timing for the roll-on 🤷🏼♂️
Of course, we often see two aircraft on the same runway when the lead aircraft is departing from an intersection point, but to line-up this close (behind) is unusual. You can even see the smoke blast from the engines as I zoom 😯
Even small engines like the CFM56, V2500 (in this case with the BA Jet) or even the CF34 can inflict some serious damage from takeoff thrust.
Engines and sensors are at most risk for the trailing aircraft. It’s almost as bad as sand-blasting with tiny particles of rubber and grit. In my view they’re lucky one of the Speed or altitude sensors didn’t get blocked!
One (member) A220pilot said he’d be concerned about damage to his sensors from the Jet blast if he was that close 🚀
This is something never witnessed before. We’ve seen a few close ones ‘rolling-in’ as the lead aircraft is starting its takeoff run. All the other departures are more ‘timed’ by the pilots, with ATC synchronising the whole thing like a well-timed movement.
Get involved in the comments 👍🏻
Clearly less than a second behind at the DRS detection point.
Should easily be able to get the move done by the first radar vector
Pov: max flies a plane...
@Xenon ah a fellow Max supporter!
@@honeybadger1656 fr max is the best😌
I get the quote "if you no longer go for a gap..." But sir you're a pilot, not Nigel Mansell
Wow! I’ve operated out of LHR for nearly 30 years, and have never seen anyone get this close on a runway. Taxiway, yes - but not on a runway behind an aircraft about to set T/O power. What were these guys thinking? Truly bonkers!
FOD issues aside, engines do not like ingesting fumes, and there are a number of systems that also do not like being treated to such a blast. On my own aircraft (787) even getting too close while taxiing can trigger our windshear warning systems - for which we then have to delay take off until the system resets!
I hate pointing the finger at fellow professionals, particularly as I have a soft spot for Malaysia as my wife is from there, but these guys really should have behaved better. What on earth was the Captain doing? And yes, I blame the Captain, as he/she has ultimate responsibility - it takes nothing to just step on the brakes for a few seconds and let the preceding aircraft get out of the way.
We all sneak on around A1/2/3 when cleared, but we don’t put ourselves directly behind the aircraft in front until they’re much further down the runway and the jet efflux is no longer a consideration.
Now that you’ve highlighted it, I fully expect these guys to get invited into the office back in KL for tea with no biscuits, or maybe no tea, no biscuits!
@C H fod isn’t the issue.
Imagine if the crew had ignored the request by tower to not cross an active runway?
They were approaching off link 23 and should have held short on A1, I know this as I fly 777’s for BA and LHR is my base.
This is incursion onto an active runway without clearance, full report pending.
Why the crew thought it would be ok is totally beyond me, there is no reason for this other than a breakdown in comms between the a/c and tower.
No doubt this clip will be used in training videos for years to come.
@C H you’re not wrong about the FOD etc. But the ‘Speedbird’ can only go when they’re cleared - and the ShortHaul guys don’t hang around unnecessarily, their days are long enough without hanging around on the runway! It’s quite common (though we can’t see) for other SH aircraft to be going from Alpha 6 further down the runway, and have others cleared to line up behind.
This is all on the Malaysian pilots - there’s plenty of space around Alpha 1-3 to move past the holding points without having to get right behind any aircraft already on the runway. Doing what they did saved them zero time and potentially compromised their aircraft. Muppets!
@@MATTFL380 I’m interested in why you think the Malaysian hadn’t been cleared to ‘line up behind’ - do you have evidence for this?
@@phil_nicholls that SB looked like it might have entered at Alpha 4. must have been heavy 😊
I’m very surprised the MA350 entered so willingly when 23 and A3 and are so close (assuming the SB used twyA) I could understand if the SB entered A4 via PLUTO but this video clearly shows different.
I would like to have seen at what point V1 was achieved on the SB, probably A6 😂 ✈️
@@phil_nicholls no evidence, just assumption my friend. I highly doubt tower cleared them to line up 27R
In a face-to-face view, we could have seen them aggressively flashing the landing lights too.
Underrated comment 😂😂
Someone stick a BMW badge on the front. 😂
Nah that’s the full Audi !
😆😆
😂😂😂😂really
In Malaysia, if someone dawdles in the fast lane on the highway, impatient people would tailgate close enough to swap paint
facts
Malaysian be like
Always wondered what an A350 trailer would look like? Now I know! I bet the MAS airspeed indicators where showing some airspeed when the BA throttled up
Definitely because the face of the plane is blasted with jet thrust xD
Minimum Runway Occupancy Time (MROT)
| Ensure standard MROT procedures. Refer to RAR and in addition:
When receiving a conditional line-up CLR on a preceding DEP ACFT, remain behind the subject AFT but may cross WY HLDG point (subject to there being no illuminated red stop bar) and enter WY upon receipt CLR. There is no requirement for the subject AFT to have commenced its TKOF roll before entering RWY. Be aware of the blast hazard.
When receiving a conditional line-up CLR on a preceding ARR ACFT, may cross WY HLDG point (subject to there being no illuminated red stop bar) as soon as the LDG ACFT has passed RWY entry point.
If back-track WY is required, notify ATC prior to arrival at HLDG point.
Intersection TKOF
INT TKOF RWY 27R: A4, RWY 27L: N3 and S3, WY 09R: N8 and N10 are NOT (for purpose of vortex wake) considered by ATC to be INT DEP.
INT TKOF RWY 09L with A10E not AVBL HN.
Procedure described in London manual for peak hours. You are requested to line up behind departing aircraft without delay to be ready for departure. London is operated on reduced traffic separation and sharp timing and no delays from flight crew is requested. Normally what we do is line up behind the departing traffic immediately they start to roll. This one is little bit closer than usual and also is question to be exposed to direct jet wash... but if the runway is not contaminated I don't see any significant threat.
U are kidding right .:.? U are supposed to line up behind departing traffic but after they have started the roll on a considerable distance . U gotta use common sense . Can’t write any logical rule .
I’m pretty sure that captain is in a lot of trouble.
@@FN-rr6mk Dug this out from LHR airport chart
Minimum Runway Occupancy Time(MROT)
Ensure standard MROT procedures. Refer to RAR and in addition:
When receiving conditional line up CLR on a preceding DEP ACFT, remain behind the subject ACFT but may cross RWY HLDG point(Subject to there being no illuminated red stop bar) and enter RWY upon receipt CLR. There is no requirement for the subject ACFT to have commenced its TKOF Roll before entering RWY. Be aware of blast hazard.
When receiving a conditional line up CLR on preceding ARR ACFT, may cross RWY HLDG point(Subject to there being no illuminated red stop bar) as soon as LDG ACFT has passed RWY entry point. If back-track RWY is required, notify ATC prior to arrival at HLDG point.
"IF" there is no contamination? IF? Did anyone see the pilot get out and inspect the runway? Or maybe aircraft are now fitted with RCR? Oh that's Runway Contamination Radar lol.
@@oliverdots in aviation the contamination is meaning for snow, slush, ice, standing water, or other elements. What you mentioned is FOD and the runway inspection for FOD is performed periodically by airpot vehicles.
Yeah sure, I operate out of LHR regularly. Line up behind doesnt' mean THIS. It means be READY and taxi to position without delay within a safe range.
Any closer and the front jet will be asking if the rear jet has protection on…… haha lol
It's unfortunate that these birds aren't equipped with horns. I can't imagine the honking at LHR during peak hours! 😂
You beat me to it!
We do have horns - though generally used for getting the attention of ground crew.
@@phil_nicholls Imagine a horn that can be audible over sound of jet engines. Magnificent!
Use 🚢 horn
I was on a BA 772 at EGLL and when lining up I thought we were really close to the aircraft taking off ahead but seems to be common practice when it’s busy.
It’s very common practice at many airports to line up planes behind departing planes to increase the take off rate. Especially if there’s a heavy, they may line them up at the beginning and have multiple smaller planes take off in front as there is a larger separation time if they were to let a heavy go prior to smaller planes
Yeah... But some proclaiming the best knowledge in airplane always commenting useless stuff...they just want attention not like u, who explain in the best ways possible
Actually I've experienced "speedy" pilot from KUL (Kuala Lumpur) to KCH (Kuching) due to rain and delayed flight, so I'm not surprised seeing an A350 was this close to the B.A at runway. 😅
Wow. This is the 1st time that I see a Malaysia airlines is line up on the same runway and it's too close to British airways that is about to takeoff. Amazing.
Are you proud of the captain's behaviour?
ATC gave the go ahead to line up, so what's the issue then?
Minimum runway occupancy with AT. Clearance the jet in front is smaller so what's is the hu ha ?
No.
The British Airways was clear to take off, but roll down the runway slowly and Malaysian airline don't want to wait, so he line up and wait on the same runway as British Airways was clear to takeoff.
I remember one of my departure from LHR out of 09R where my plane lined up simultaneously with two other planes, therefore 3 lineups at the same time on the same runway. But there was much more spacing in between us compared to this
And 9 months later a babybus will be born...
MROT concept in Heathrow, as soon as you are cleared for line-up on sequence and red extinguished. With the night curfew, if every aircraft takes 30 seconds more than needed to line-up and take-off, how many flights will be cancelled at the end of the day?
It’s mentioned in the airport info pages. All legal.
It might be legal, but is it sensible to risk FOD and efflux ingestion with the consequences of system issues or engine or airframe damage? I know it's unlikely, but sods law lines up the holes in the Swiss cheese - time pressures, reducing distances, hurrying checks etc.
Thank you for sharing this . Never seen that before. Hopefully the passenger's didn't pay to much attention to it .
Curious to know what the conversation with ATC was at that point. 😮😮
VASAviation might have it, I'll drop him a line.
@@soupfork2105 sadly not, it’s illegal to record ATC in the U.K.
@@737simviator liveatc doesn't have recordings of UK airports available as it's illegal to record in the UK.
@@dmanc85 it must surely be considered "an insult".
@@dmanc85 why is it illegal in UK and not in say america?
Wonder how long the BA aircraft held or whether he rolled forward a little and then stopped. I would like to have seen the whole sequence, including the BA lime up before passing judgement.
“Babe I can’t I have to wait for clearance”
“My parents aren’t home”
as an atc, i absolutely love this. too many times we see pilots waste precious departure gaps when they take an absolute age to line up when i give a lineup clearance. get in position and be ready to go!!
Which airport ?
Are there any particular aircraft types or airlines that takes longer than the others ?
What if there is a 777 in front and a ATR behind? Don’t think that would be safe.
I'm not too sure about that, tho you being an ATC'r must know more then me, but from watching many Air Disaster shows, many accidents happen when humans rush protocols.
I get the point, but from a FoD point of view it’s a stupid thing to do.
How did you became an ATC ? you dont even know if the BA pilot had a problem.
Used to travel through LHR frequently 15-20 years ago and saw this happen often enough back then, so nothing new. Q larger a/c behind smaller ones on the rwy during peak operations. If I recall correctly they even had an extended pre-section of rwy that appeared to be there for this very reason. Although the spacing here does seem a little closer than I recall.
I have witnessed this before in Toronto. Two Air Canada lined up to Runway 23. 787 behind an A320.
No issues is it??
Smaller aircraft at the front no issue
Pity no one was tuned in to the tower at the time. The normal clearance from the ATC is “to line up and wait behind the departing aircraft behind”. The emphasis is on the word “behind” and the pilot has to say “behind” which is a legal statement at the end of his readback. So once he’s been cleared onto the runway then it’s up to him on how close to the one in front he wants to be. LGW do this very regularly but the 2 runway entries are further apart so this incursion never really happens.
No, it isn't. "Line up and wait" is common, not "line up and wait behind the departing aircraft behind." I've no clue why you thought otherwise. Have you ever listened to ATC?
Popcorn time for me
@@miniena7774 Not a pilot, but listen to ATCs all the time. I've never heared any ATC saying "line up behind aircraft departing" as well.. might happen in tiny airports with tiny planes, but with airlines and major airports, nope
@@miniena7774 Correct terminology is "behind the departing/arriving XXX, line up and wait behind". At least if you go by EASA terminology
It is line up and wait "behind" the departing aircraft. Which is the correct terminology. In this situation.
Makes you wonder if they were given clearance to line up behind and wait for the departing BA 320.
Would love to listen to the ATC audio of this.
With longer spacing thats fine. This is way too close for me.
I think it only looks close due to the zoom lens effect of the camera. No safety rule was breached, otherwise we would have heard it all over the news and especially with Malaysia Airlines due to 2 losses of aircrafts.
Not strictly an incursion if cleared to line up behind the departing '320. Whilst good airmanship to be ready in position and ready to go, there was probably little benefit to this manoeuvre due to separation from the previous departure, and arguably 'if' there was any FOD on the runway, there'd maybe be a danger of the '350 being in the firing line of said potential FOD if launched from the jet blast of the '320, dependent of course on the distance between the jets (possible foreshortening on the lens, I wasn't there so can't say for sure) . To be honest when I'm given a line up after previous departing, I'd be reluctant to get what appears to be as close as the '350 did (but at MAN we frequently line up via T1 with traffic yet to depart from VA intersection on 23L or via Juliet with departing traffic going from M on 23R) but to each their own...
Malaysia airlines: out of my way Malaysian Airlines is heading to Kuala Lumpur for on time expecting no delays on my arrival at KUL
The Malaysian pilots want to know what it feels like to be a jetblast surfer at St Maarten's airport
Id love to hear the ATC
I mean, they often line up planes behind departing planes. It’s quite common although this guy is particularly close to the aircraft in front
@@joshuam20 indeed
As a Malaysian I feel honored that the plane is Malaysian
That pilot is clearly a BMW driver in his personal life
Minimum Runway Occupancy Time (MROT)
When receiving a conditional line-up CLR on a preceding DEP ACFT, remain behind the subject ACFT but may cross RWY HLDG point and enter RWY upon receipt CLR.
There is no requirement for the subject ACFT to have commenced its TKOF roll before entering RWY. Be aware of blast hazard.
Bigjet tv please highlight this comment. Thanks
Thanks for you accurate response.
No. It states 'but may cross'. The pilots are in control of their aircraft at all times and their discretion in this instance was poor.
Amazing
The A320's rear parking sensors must have been going mental. Beep beep beep beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.
That did seem very close indeed!
Not really that close with Heathrows ridiculous schedule it's good to see a pilot actually getting the job done
The ATC won’t be having a word if the ATC told them to lineup and wait. If the Malaysian pilots saw any issue with the order from ATC, they would have refused.
its standard practice in LHR its called Minimum Runway Occupancy Time, no law or rules broken here.. its even recommended in the AOI..
Standard know it alls thinking someone's broken the rules on the web 😛
Hi, wheres this filmed from? Thx
I can only imagine what the other guys, who were holding short, were thinking 😂.
Crazy capture! May I feature this situation in one of my next episodes? Of course with a link back to your original video. Cheers!
Atc: Malaysian 350 you’re No.3 for departure.
Malaysian: Negative, we’re No. 2
Maybe a pilot can confirm: Would this actually speed things up ? Surely your not going to get your "cleared for take off" until the previous departing had reached a certain distance in front (subject to a/c type, speed, wake turbulence etc) or had turned asuming the previous was on a different SID. Again i asume they line the departing a/c up for departure in alternating SIDs ? Dover, Clacton, Southampton, Strumple, Daventry/Olney, Dover, clacton etc etc (examples of direction of exit points before someone says Strumple is an atc sector not a departure point)
That’s wild Jerry!😮
Normally the controllers give the pilots the order to move from point A to B. Here he must have said Malaysia 5 line up and wait behind the British A 320 and the pilots followed. It's indeed a little to close but not to. I would say.....
Doesn’t that normally mean waiting until the aircraft in front has actually started rolling
@@tomstravels520 typically the answer would be yes however pilots do like to keep to schedule not sure I'd cat that as rushing or impatient though 🤔
@@tomstravels520 Yes, although in LHR they expect you to cross the hold-short line but line up the actual runway once the aircraft has started the take-off roll and there is no risk of jetblast damage
"Negative, I can't accept that " proper response
I guess as much as close than VfB Stuttgart to the relegation? :D
It IS an ATC related issue, because only ATC can clear an aircraft to enter or cross an active runway. Maybe ATC were not expecting the BA to hold for so long and issued the line up behind and wait too early? If The Malaysian entered the runway without clearance, some serious crap would have ensued and likely their take-off clearance would have been denied so that tower could have had a chat with the pilots on the blower.
They cleared the plane to line up behind a departing plane, whilst this is usually a “without delay” sorta instruction, it is up to the pilot to decide at what speed to taxi onto the runway. I personally like to see the departing plane at least rolling before fully lining up.
No laws or rules were broken here though as it’s common practice to line planes up behind other planes
Since this is LHR, this could be that the airport is busy...
This happened to me first week in March on 27L… but I didn’t get as close to the departing aircraft. 😂
Suppose to wait for takeoff clearance before entering on to the runway. Could be a inbound on the same runway
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This isn’t how it’s done in LHR/LGW, etc. They’ll often give you a clearance to line up behind a departing aircraft.
I may be wrong but if he got on the runway it means that he had the clearance to right? Otherwise he would have told him to hold short which is a very clear instruction which can't really be missed or misunderstood
I've seen this a couple times at LAS during busy times.
Never thought I wld see this too. Like this is madness
Thats insane procedure brother 😮🤦🏻♂️
Looks like something out of Real Flight Simulator or Microsoft Flight Sim Multiplayer😂😂
27 years ATC. There's no way in the USA the following departure would've been cleared onto the runway while the preceding departure was still in position and holding for takeoff, and we operate the busiest air traffic system in the world. It serves almost no advantage and derogates safety. If this is routine as at least one commenter said, then someone needs to take a good hard look at that procedure.
Not really, the first plane was given takeoff clearance, the next plane is then cleared to line up on the runway. It works perfectly and gives Heathrow the high takeoff rate it needs to operate the number of flights it handles. Typically though the pilots have the sense to not taxi right up behind the next plane.
I personally like to see the plane rolling before fully lining up on the runway
Exactly, what an unsafe practice.
Why are I intersection takeoffs accept these days?
Every foot of runway might be needed in an aborted takeoff is necessary. I'd refuse and not alone . "That's negative require full length "
@@747heavyboeing3 Well in airline operations, I agree, but I was a private pilot (I still have my license but haven't been current in years) I used to fly out of an airport with a 10,600 ft (3,231m) runway and I'm paying for fuel so that extra mile or so of taxi gets expensive, I would always accept an intersection takeoff that still gave me 6,000 ft (1,829 m) of runway in a Piper Cherokee... I know the saying "the three worthless things to a pilot are fuel left at the pump, altitude above, and runway behind" or something like that, but economics can be important as well. It's a personal/professional decision, but kind of unrelated to this topic.
@@747heavyboeing3 Not unsafe, your incorrect opinion isn’t really valid and intersection departures occur extremely frequently and without issue every day.
Could it be that Tower cleared BA to takeoff and there was a bit of delay, while the tower instructed MAS line up and wait? And the MAS crew thought it was fine to line up and wait knowing the BA will be on the roll.
Most likely. Although if they required to wait on runway they should have requested/informed
Seems like what occured. The MAS crew looked hesitant before the committed to the final part of the turn likely after reconfirmation from tower.
Tudia, like he's driving a Myvi tailgating the rest on the highway.
the aircraft can handle strong wind (hence it can fly)
it's very common to see upto 13 planes lined up at Mumbai Chhatrapati Shivaji International, but none of them line up so close!
13 airplanes lined up on the runway ? Thats funny
You're confusing taxiway with runway.
Wow! never seen this happen before!
They must have interpreted the instruction "behind departing Airbus, line up and wait.." literally.
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Holding points mean anything to you sir?
Malaysia too, what a shock.
Suddenly everyone here in the comment section is an aviation expert with 30,000 hours of flight time. 🤦🏽♂️
I have no idea as the accuracy of Aviation Law or Protcols. Anyone’s know and able to elaborate ….. ?
should ATC hold plane b4 the plane entering the runway?
UK pilots, does ATC clear you onto a runway before the other plane even starts the takeoff roll? Unclear if this is a runway incursion or is actually legal in the UK.
Perfectly legal, this is typically how it would go. Departing plane is cleared for takeoff, then the next plane is cleared to line up behind the departing plane. That plane is then cleared to enter the runway and it’s up to him whether he gets close enough to potentially have debris thrown into his plane.
Most pilots would slow roll into the runway until the departing aircraft is on takeoff roll
@@joshuam20 Thanks, good to know. This is different from how we operate in the US.
How they allowed this manouver?
Normally AC on runway will be cleared TO, followed by next aircraft cleared to line up behind the departing. Why did speedbird sit there for so long?
Runway rage ?
Good the BA 320 pilot didn't brake checked him...
Straight out of a VATSIM lobby 🤣
He just wants turbulence 💀💀
horrible judgement.
I was on a flight from Heathrow and we lined up behind Concorde and when she put the power down we felt it....
Sadly, not a thing anymore 😥
Please upload the full video of this scene
It was live, it's here E J czcams.com/users/liveRjsxwwO2I2Y?feature=share
The way he speak british was so funny😂😂😂
Wanted a tow 😆
im guessing his clearance was something in the likes of "lineup runway runway 27R and wait after british airways" and technically that's exactly what he did but isn't there some sort of rule how long you have to wait?
I think the pilot wanted his wings de-iced! .... 😂
I bet he drives an Audi 😅
I've asked around, and someone shared with me the AOI for Heathrow which covers MROT (Minimum Runway Occupancy Time) procedures.
"When receiving a conditional line-up CLR on a preceding DEP ACFT, remain behind the subject ACFT but may cross the RWY HLDG point (subject to there being no illuminated red stop bar) and enter RWY upon receipt CLR. (Emphasis mine) THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR THE SUBJECT ACFT TO HAVE COMMENCED ITS TKOF ROLL BEFORE ENTERING RWY. Be aware of the blast hazard."
So while peculiar, what's happening here is not exactly wrong.
And according to FR24, the plane landed almost 1 hour early in Kuala Lumpur, too.
Beware of the blast hazard is the crucial part here. I operate out of Heathrow and you do not do this ever. Airmanship dictates that you can be ready to line up, beyond the hold line, but not actually on the runway.
@@TravellingTechie The crew were no doubt aware of blast hazards, they’re not really that close.
@@tiadaidI'm an Airbus pilot, this is poor. I'm literally looking at the Airbus manual right now. The dangerous blast distance at breakaway power on an A320-200 with IAE V2500 engines is 300ft/90m behind the rear of the engine. In effect, stretching out the same length again behind the aircraft. That's just the 'dangerous zone', rated at 30ft/s or 9m/s airspeed. Beyond that objects and/or dust can still be picked up and sandblast the aircraft behind. Not to mention confuse pitot instruments and engine pressure sensors. No one does this.
@@TravellingTechie hmm Blast hazard says it all really an incursion for sure
I guarantee that he tailgated someone on the freeway as soon as he landed to hurry up and get home……lol
DFW and ORD use to operate this way all the time. Only requirement is 2000 feet between departures
Were they dealt with?
Astonishing, never seen that before. Would love to know what the explanation is.
At LHR it's not uncommon for large jets to line up and wait behind smaller ones and depart straight after, this is definitely the closest i've seen though!
Yeah like the other Josh said, it’s common to see heavy planes lined up on the runway and sometimes even just sit there whilst they get a few smaller planes out on intersection departures ahead of the heavy.
Basically, there’s a time separation they must follow and as you can imagine, the time they must wait for a medium wake aircraft following a heavy is much higher than if the heavy followed the smaller aircraft
@@joshuam20 indeed so but that was too close so a definite incursion in my view Tower and MAS crew both at fault
Trying to get rid of some condensation on the windshield ?
Nice my Friend!
In summary, the Air Malaysia came from a stand a long way away, due to the runway departure, they were made to go the long way round, they ran a few A320s ahead of them, meanwhile on the fast taxi way they had another BA and a Star Alliance waiting which they may have anticipated could potentially be run ahead of them, the Air Malta had to wait 3 mins after the A380, then the BA A320 took a bit longer than anticipated, at which point Air Malaysia rolled onto the runway before the BA throttled up.
Air Malaysia left 30 mins late.
So unqualified as I am, I would suggest they were rushing for departure, probably frustrated to be put behind the tiddlers who would have to wait after the A380, though they may have been too heads down to realise why the A320s were taking so long (not seeing the A380 before, and probably anxious about whether the two waiting A320s (including a BA) would get put ahead of them, while doing pre flight, so when they got the call advanced. Not helped by BA taking a little longer than expected to push off.
But, they should have recognised the risk at the end of the taxi way and stopped. Called for confirmation. And not advanced further until. They at that point could not be overtaken, so their runway departure was guaranteed next. And whether it was a junior pilot in charge or not, the Captain has allowed his aircraft and passengers to be put in potential danger.
The risk to outboard sensors, engines, and even just the basic customer experience (the cabin will have filled with spent Jet A1), is dangerous and was wholly avoidable.
Also important to note, the spacing would still have been maintained, so the plane did not roll any earlier than it would have done if it had held short, before entering the runway. And they risked a longer wait if they'd had a problem due to jet wash.
No wonder, this is Malaysia!
EPIC CATCH! Honestly, if you think about it, they fly at so high speed that this A320 jet blast if probably less strong that the wind they get on cruise level
I don’t think wind speed is the issue here though! I would be more concerned about all the bits of asphalt, sand and other debris flying into the engines or against the fuselage. Not to mention, the pilots have no clue if there is arriving traffic. I know LHR uses 2 runways but still.
@Youri Rutten definitely safe from incoming. ATC command here is usually "behind a320 aircraft taking off at RWY number, line up and wait behind". Usually, the plane would sneak up to the runway but only continue onto it once the first one is already moving - so this is still rather close.
Jetblast is very turbulent and there is FOD flying around.
The pilot thought hes driving.
Description of macho attitude at its BEST
“Asian pilots tend to have trouble with vision”
Patience pilot
Was that a BMW driver in the Malaysian? Maybe he/she forgot that they were in a plane and not their car? 😅
BMW drivers are reckless overseas too? I thought it was just a Malaysian thing 😂
I was just thinking this looks like the aviation equivalent of tailgating lol
Probably a Myvi driver since the Myvi is the most popular Malaysian car and it too has reputation of being aggressive tailgaters.
They didn’t even attempt to stop before completely lined up on the runway!
Lining planes up behind other planes is quite common
So after 3 weeks what is the conclusion?
Was issued that before. "Line up and wait, no delay. Traffic on a 4 mile final."
someone at Malaysian about to get the "Tea and Biscuit " meeting
More like Teh Tarik (Pulled Milk Tea) and Nasi Lemak (Coconut Rice).
Comment from Malaysian.
He probably mistook the phrase "Line up behind" in the literal sense.