HHO Torch Ideas For Your Shop
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- čas přidán 19. 12. 2011
- In this video I show a couple of different configurations of HHO torches. I will show you all the components you need to build a nice little torch for your shop. The smaller unit would make a great jewelers torch.
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Hi, this is Dan from Hydrogen Boost Now.com. I just wanted to thank Mike for making a video with our new 40 amp constant current PWM. Just so everyone understands, the PWM will go to 40 amps if the cell is large enough.
P.S. This PWM is 100% our design, we copied no one.
@vbrigham That's what I want to hear, more people getting into HHO! Glad to have you on board.
Great video mike. This is the most detailed video on HHO Torch Technology I've seen. I greatly appreciate the detailed information and presentation you provide. I feel very lucky to have learn of your work with HHO, here on you tube. Great work :)
Nice work Mike. Very informative and great video editing. I really like your bubbler design.
Mike I wish I could cut and edit video like you. Nice professional production. Your great behind the camera too. I love the power supply!
yes flashbacks are tricky, these days i dip my torch in water to put it out as i always have a small cup on hand or i turn it up full blast but micro torches don't work like that i have to use the water cup even then i still get a small flash back but lately i've bin using a system robust enough to handle the blast. my main reason for using these torches is soldering of all types and as you said its so cool to never need fuel or run out of fuel i should say.
You are on my favorite videos now. THANKS. I might make a video some day, I want some flames like these ones to move a Stirling (Sterling, I'm not sure of name yet ) engine. Thanks again Sir.
You can get computer server power supplies for 20 bucks on eBay.
12 volt at 55 amp. Joe
Yeah I'm familiar with the AC/DC setups, thanks. Steve over at GreenFuelH2O sells a 59 plate setup with a bridge rectifier and a variable speed controller just like you are describing. Thanks for the info though. I've actually been using a concept I learned from you a few years ago. Using a compressor to inject air into the torch to put it out without a flashback. Thanks for the tip!
Cool, thanks!
If you use a bubbler and or dryer to scrub the vapors and electrolyte you won't get engine damage. If you just run the line straight from your reservoir then yes you will get damage because of the electrolyte in the vapors.
I do like you idea about the Spectra though, looks like it creates a vortex which makes sense. Might even be a good combo with HHO. Help mix it up more evenly. Thanks for the input!
mike you did it agin good job
@chilidress A PWM just regulates the voltage which in turn allows you to make more or less HHO. Basically just give you control over the output.
Hello Mike!
I have used this torch for some applcations, but sometimes the flame is too hot and "oxidative" (it burns the metal).
To make the flame "a little coulder", i add butane gas from an additional bottle, connected to hho gas tube, in a verry controlled amount. (bubbelled throug water in tube).
It is useful for brassing.
@someting29 A yellow flame usually indicates moisture in the line. Either that or contaminates (or both). Using a bubbler and/or dryer should turn a yellow flame blue.
The power supply is rated at 12 VDC, but it actually puts out the 13.7 under no load. The voltage drop you see is because of the inherent resistance of your system, i.e. the wiring, the plates, the water.
The power supply helps compensate the voltage drop by providing a slightly higher voltage caused by the resistance.
Hey Reb, I seen a guy use a rubber stopper in his cell. In case the system blows up the pressure will simply pop the cork out. I know greenfuelh2o has simple inline flashback arrestors. I also seen another guy use a basketball needle inflater as a touch tip. with a cigarette butt stuffed in the line.
You need some descent volume to feed multiple tips. Most guys who have done it convert AC to DC and run big (59 plate) cells. One of the most impressive setups I have seen lately is from a guy in Russia, his CZcams name is SEVER -S. He is getting a very nice flame from a smaller setup but it is not straight HHO. He is running the HHO through Acetone to cool it and take out the Oxygen. I have not tried it yet. I can't post links here, but look up his videos.
@bavanaina The components in this video are for a HHO Torch. You are referring to the kits for sale on my site from GreenFuelH2O. They recommend a Volo chip as an option. I don't sell anything related to changing emissions. You can buy them from other retailers however
I love your bubbler with the stone, flash port and clear pvc. Can you build be one and if so how much would it cost me? Thanks
After reading this, I have to think the cheapest way to go would be a 120VAC to 12VDC conventional battery charger from harbor freight. You would have to get one that is constant voltage/constant current, which means the charger doesn't adjust it's output based on what it reads from a battery(i.e. no autostarting trickle charge, sulfated recovery, etc). The PWM you speak of may be able to condition the dc voltage from there. I need to read more about the PWM.
Hello Mike,
I'm steppin' in trying to build my first HHO cell. Can you tell me what are the HHO by-products after combustion ? Is it vaporized water ? What's the phenomenon creating the heat source ? (I know that H2 is the fuel and O2 the combustive).
Thanks for all your clearly explanations !
The amount of plates depends on how many amps you want to run. With a tiny cell like that I would say at least 25 plates for 1 1/4 lpm at 20 amps. Would make a good jewelers torch. Get a 45 amp power supply and use a 40 amp PWM from Hydrogen Boost Now, it's good for 10 - 40 amps.
I'm curious what you think would be more efficient.
1. Parallel 31-plate side-by-side cells as the one shown in this video.
2. A short and wide 31 plate single cell similar to that shown in your "Tips for building an efficient dry cell" video.
The surface area of the single short-and-wide cell being twice that of each single parallel cell, making equal surface areas for each configuration.
Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. I truly enjoy your explanations.
Thank you
Thanks! Will this basically act like an oxy-acetalyne torch in that I won't have to blow out the slag?
@bavanaina I'm not sure that you can. HHO burns at a much hotter concentrated flame. You would need to find a way to dissipate the heat.
If your water is getting dirty more than likely you are not using 316L stainless steel. Have you tried adding more electrolyte to see if you can draw more amps and therefore make more HHO?
Any cutting of 1/4" steel will probably require a larger cell powered by AC converted to DC with a bridge rectifier. I would say at least a 6" x 6" or 8" x 8" cell with 59 plates. Or another cell with similar overall plate surface area.
Can't say because I have never used a large Oxy-Acetylene torch. I'm assuming it all has to do with pressure. Make enough HHO to put a lot of pressure coming out of the torch tip. The more pressure the better it will cut the steel.
Have you experimented any with building your own high voltage power supply? I've seen some of the guys using pulsed dc for their systems. Coming straight out of the 120 or 240 grid to a transformer, then into a high amp bridge rectifier. They are using equipment like a router speed controller as the pwm. When they are using these supplies the cells only pull 1-5 amps and it seems to run just as smooth using low voltage high amps. Your thoughts?
Hi Mike, I have a question. Do you use an in-line fire supressor for your tourch as well as the flashback protector on the bubbler? If so, what do you use? I have a friend that got me into this HHO stuff and I built my first cell for my pick-up using 3" pvc pipe, the plates are + - + - with no nuteral plates. I made a tourch head for it as well and had good flame but the flame got small and I had a flashback. What should I use to prevent this?
@water2gashawaii Actually it's a very nice unit. The PSU-3 has it's place too, it's not that expensive. But it is a power hog.
incase your interested it is possible to run 120 volt dc on 31 to 39 plate cells, ive done it on several cells one i have video of its called an iron plate bipolar cell also i did some test with cells that ran at 4 volts per plate gap with outstanding performance so technically you could construct a 30 plate cell without a power supply, these set ups work very well with router speed controllers{ triac circuit }, im just trying to help not being a wise ass
For electrolyte use either Potassium Hydroxide (KOH) or Sodium Hydroxide (NaOH). Mix either of these with distilled water.
im gonna post my latest experiment soon its a copper cathode annular dry cell that uses a silver solder stainless steel anode. the silver solder is coating the exterior of the anode and does not contact the electrolyte. the cells runs cooler then any cell i have ever seen , it refuses to heat up, it runs at about 70 amps max @ approx 3 volts to 2.2 volts, it is operational but its just an experimental piece , im having trouble pushing more then 70 amps due to harmonic distortion of my MOT
I'm thinking that between the very large dry cell, reservoir with water, and bank of batteries needed, you would have a hard time getting off the ground (too much weight).
Hey there, is it possible to make the water reservoir out of mild carbon steel? such as rectangular square tubing or 14 gauge sheet. Like would it affect the hho gas or anything?
just pick up where you said the high voltage usage in the dry cell in relation to the neutral plates can explain a little bit more on that
@hhoconnection I want to know detailed diagram of the small HHO generator. whether it consists of only two parts of the anode and cathode, and if cca1cm space between the anode and cathode is just water?
@TEO7682 Mix your electrolyte at maximum strength (28% for KOH). This will make you draw many more amps requiring 6 neutral plates or a PWM, or both.
What kind of set up would i need to cut up to 1/4 inch high carbon steel and what would that cost?
Hey Mike!!! Have you did any research hi High voltage low amp units??? No Catylist??
@jdcproducts Unfortunately I am electronically challenged. I would love for somebody to come up with an inexpensive AC to DC power supply with voltage control. If anyone wants to build it, we need it. Only problem is you will have to use a larger cell (over 80 plates) which is going to drive the cost up again.
Hi. im using NaOH powder as catalyst mixed in destilled water. but what are the mix ratio that you are using. are you adjusting this as how much amp you draw or should you have the same strong mix all the time but regulated with PWM meter? Really gratefull for good answers here.
I love your videos
Regards Rune From Norway :)
@DOPEXAMP So what your telling use is you have a overunity hho cell? Please tell use, were listening.
12v @ 30a for 60sec making 5000ml is 13.88mmw or 179.26% efficiency.
where can I buy 300 of these?
What sort of set up would a HHO gas cooker require Mike?
So I have been having the conversation on CZcams as to the usefulness as HHO in a torch. There are many many videos that are titled"HHO Welding ...." yet no one ever actually welds anything. They only melt bolts, nuts, and brick. This is not welding and I suspect that the HHO is not capable of welding because of a dirty flame. If it was capable of welding and such a great alternative to Oxy-acetylene there would be at least a few videos of people using it for welding. As a weldor I am interested in the tech, but I am beginning to think it is a load of slag like all the free energy crap you see on the net.. I experimented with HHO back in early 2000 before the current crazy and while I got high output never found a good application for it. So tell me if this can actually weld please prove it. I want to see quality welds with test preformed on the coupons. Thanks
@hhoconnection Hey sir, thanks for replying, but you i think i was unable to tell you my question right a way, my question was can I use a flashback arrestor which welders use with C2H2 gas? can I use that one with HHO gas.???
How much heat can you generate with the 75 watts power supply?
@Heart111ful Do a search for commercial flashback arrestors. I can't post links here, but I have seen them. Look for welding supplies.
would a PC Tower power supply work?
is there a way to use the kit.. in a stove? can you show how to do it?
ey mike que le pones al agua para producir hidrogeno tu lo vendes me interesa comprar el producto
Mike,
how can I use this cell to apply to my natural gas 40 gallon house water heater.? Thanks:)
Does HHO light with a spark as readily as methane would?
I can't post links here but my website is hhoconnection just add the dot and the com.
I don't know, you will have to ask the people who make them. Or, buy one and try it out.
hhoconnection kit comes with bubbler built into the reservoir? And PWM is not needed?, I see Volo chip is recommended as option. Ammeter is not in the kit; not needed?. Tks.
@water2gashawaii I'm not an electronics guy Bill, but it hooks up completely different than yours does. I don't think it's like your PCU-3. I didn't realize the PCU-3 was your design, I thought it was Zero's. It looks just like his anyway.
Mr. Mike i want to ask about the plate size , if the plate size is 30cm * 20cm and 13 or 21 plate for making a cell ! how much power it will need ? or let me ask in anther way if the plate size are big is that means more amp ! and what about the production !
Thanks.
Hello my friend.Can you tell me what to put for antifreez in my HHO generator because my water tank and my dry cell freezes.Thanks.
Sir, is the there any book to study about Dry cell HHO as you are explaining here............
hey how you doing my name is BJ i would like to know a good combination for a small cell 4" wide 4" long and casing height measures 3" i was wondering if you could tell me about how many plates would be needed for a project like this. This is my first hho project thank you
hi, sir, good day . what kind of metal you are using now..?
posted your video in my blog.
que le pones al agua para haser hidrogeno yb tu lo vendes
@hhoconnection hey sir, i have a question to you, and asked from many but cann't get answere yet. please tell me that what type of flashback arrestor i shold use for HHO gas, as there is no available a particular arrestor in my region, can I use arrestor which welders use with C2H2 gas,? and can v say that every gas has its own particular flashback arrestor or arrestor only has one type.??? thanks..
Yes, that should work fine but you won't be able to control the output without a PWM.
would 2 computer power supplies putting out 25 amps 12v put in parallel work ? to get extra power, they are free off the rubbish tip.
@water2gashawaii What sucks about it Bill?
316L stainless steel
HHO will ignite VERY easily. That is why you must use caution and always think about safety first!
my current goal is to build a cell like your tool box cell "the small one " that can crank out at least 8 LPM and also be able to produce a micro flame. the biggest challenge is going to be cooling , nearly all my newer versions are using cooling systems because i over power my cells on purpose im going to use the components from my iron plate cell . i got the iron plate idea from a old chemistry book , back in the 30's they used huge iron plate cells so i tried it ... i don't recommend it
No, they don't fall apart and they don't contaminate the system. Why would it, the stone is in the bubbler, not the reservoir.
Mike, I think I forgot to tell you in my earlier post that the cell I made out of 3"pvs is a wet cell.
@pepelopezali Watch my video called HHO Wet Cell vs Dry Cell - Why the dry cell is better
Look up a dell poweredge 6650 power supply. They are 12v 72a and can be put in series for 24v, 36v ect. These are going for dirt cheap on ebay $20-50 each. There is a trick to turn these on but easy once you figure it out. Anybody need help turning theirs on just holler at me.
Slow the water down and create more HHO.
Why are most HHO torches i see have a orange flame and yours is blue?
Please tell me the web address...very interested in that!
WHAT THE HELL! where your website gone?
Just watch my video called "HHO Neutral Plates Explained"
if you need a bigger power supply use hp power supply not out of a computer a rack mount power supply
You comitted the cardinal sin!!! You introduced that stone to your system in that bubler. They fall apart and the adhesive will contamenate ur system.
at 55 amps, 3-4 liters per minute is nothing. with a 9 plate cell at 30 amps 12v i can get 5 liters per minute.
@DOPEXAMP OK Mr big shot, here is your chance to put up or shut up. I am calling you out and saying NO WAY! Prove me wrong and show a video of you making 5 lpm at 12v and 30 amps. Talk is cheap!
pwm, is nothing more than a regulator knob.
when u run a HHO cell they heat up and that makes the water temp. hotter making the cell draw more amps indefinitely until rubber and plastic in the cell melts, the PWM pulses the voltage/amperage. That controls the amp draw run away effect. U set the amp's u want and it will continuously change the pulse width to keep at the desired amps. It does a lot more than what a regulator knob does, you would have to manually turn the regulator knob every minute to do what a PWM does...
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