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@@BrettMoore66 that's why i said i would make something different. I've seen people raise 20 million for a bee hive idea or a bird feeder on indigogo etc. If you have a good cpap idea i'm sure you could easily raise 30 million in months! I imagine then the big companies would buy the idea and shelve it just like they did the everlasting light bulb ;-) czcams.com/video/j5v8D-alAKE/video.html
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I was forced to âupgradeâ to version 2 due to a recall. I agree with you 100%. Version 2 sucks! I would rather have the Dreamstation 1 or ResMed Airsense 10 than this Dreamstation 2. And I will mention, That the Dreamstation 2 is noisy. You can hear every breath that you inhale through the filter holes. No pre-heat on the version 2 either. Refilling the tank is cumbersome and messy. I liked the graph on the old one also. It seems that the Covid excuses have given a lot of manufacturers an chance to go cheap and charge twice as much!
I received a recall notice for my DS1 as well. I find the Max marking on the DS2 tank could use some improvement. The Max marking is practically invisible except on the side facing the rest of the machine. This means I have to try and watch the water level on the side where I can easily see the Max level while also keeping an eye on the water I'm pouring in to make sure I get it in the container. I find the slide design for the water holder could also use improvement. Sure the DS1 required room behind to open and access the water reservoir, but the DS2 requires even more room to slide off the water reservoir; why not just sturdy clips (unlike many other devices where the clips are flimsy and guaranteed to break).
I wish he would show a vision impaired old lady like myself trying to remove and refill the water chamber without dropping the distilled water jug, spilling water out the bottom, plastic side hole, or, simply bouncing off the top plus popping back on the top. They need to include a mop to clean my floor and some towels for sheets and desk. Grr.
Yep, I just got my recall Dreamstation 2 and am going nuts hearing myself breathe through the filter hole- they definitely cut corners with this model to save with the recall. I suspect this version was actually meant to be a travel CPAP. Haven;t returned my Dreamastation 1 yet, am tempted to take it apart and see if I can rip out the carcinogenic foam....what do you all think?
For those with a DS1 (and older philips cpaps) - Okay guys so here's the only fact that matters here! Information straight form the recall page on the Canadian Health Govt Website - Issue number 2 is the worse! "Philips has become aware of two (2) issues that may pose a risk for patients or users of Philips Respironics branded Continuous Positive Airway Pressure (CPAP), Bi-Level Positive Airway Pressure (BIPAP), and Mechanical Ventilators: 1. Philips has determined from user reports and testing that the Polyester-Based Polyurethane (PE-PUR) sound abatement foam used in Philips continuous and non-continuous ventilators may degrade under certain circumstances, and the degraded particles could potentially enter the air pathway of the device. This issue affects Philips Respironics branded CPAPâs, Bi-Levels, and Mechanical Ventilators. 2. The results of testing performed by Philips indicate that the PE-PUR sound abatement foam used in these devices may emit certain chemicals. Our investigation to date indicates that this emission occurs during initial operation and may possibly continue throughout the device's useful life. These issues impact all device product platforms manufactured with Polyester Polyurethane (PE-PUR) sound abatement foam" So let me break this down so it's easier to understand. Basically Philips have gone and grabbed a brand new DS1 off the shelf, turned it on and tested the air coming out of it. They have determined from this that machine is 'emitting certain chemicals' and that this happens from day 1 and may continue for the life of the machine! Now from the U.S recall page they have stated these are 'carcinogenic' chemicals. So from day one, your machine is pumping you full of carcinogenic chemicals and this could continue night after night for the life of the machine. This is the reason for the recall! They are using the ozone / foam break down as a smoke screen to hide the real reason which that it doesn't matter how you clean your device or what the weather is...From day 1...It's bad for you! Stay tuned and good luck
the one dramatic improvement: removing the foam degrading sound insulation that caused the DreamStation 1 recall. and notice they announced the recall after dreamsteam #2 became available.
i took my DS1 apart and removed the foam. it was still silent. i recently received a DS2 from phillips due to the recall and it i can hear every single breath i take. they really went backwards with this
â@@resqjason2 Why are they putting brain cancer causing equipment in machines that the government has a contract to distribute to medicare and medicaid patients FOR NO REASON? Highly suspect. Also you can now no longer remove the wifi chip and the external information card. Something's fishy here.
@@resqjason2I hate my ds2 I had an extra ds1 and got th $30 pump chamber off Amazon with no foam and it is so quiet and is as reliable as it has always been in the first month with the ds2 I had to have it in for service 4 times. Ds1 I love ds2 is trash
@@d.ericseaboldt2191 I bought that replacement chamber too, and it works just fine. Now Philips has sent me a DS2, and threatened to charge me for the ds1 if I don't ship it back to them. I'd rather send back the DS2.
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I agree seems to have gone backwards. First one is better, just now we have the recall issue. I just found out today. So who know how I will be sleeping now :( no machine anyway
Dream station 1 recalled due to cancer link. www.news5cleveland.com/news/national/sleep-apnea-machines-ventilators-recalled-over-cancer-risk?fbclid=IwAR1a7YkZp4K_3FgCCkabHaqACfGX9f0bDhQJN_ykbCYAPCpygTiMk7Z9jcM
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Thanks for a great review. I have been using my new DS 2 for about 5 days now and I really dislike the humidifier tank. I fill it just before bedtime and my wife is usually fast asleep already. The dark tank in a dark room using a small flashlight make it very difficult to see the marks on the tank. The clear tank on the DS 1 was simple. About the only change in mine that I like is the 12mm hose, no more tangling up while sleeping. Keep up with the great info.
What a great informative review Nick! I am an avid fan of the dream station - I use a dreamstation 1 fixed pressure unit, itâs almost 5 years old and itâs still running as well as the day I bought it. Itâs reliable, comfortable to use, easy to use and configure. The humidity control works brilliantly and is very customisable for how much humidity you find comfortable. When I saw your video thumbnail I was so excited at the prospect of a brand new machine, full of new useful features, better aesthetics (the only real weakness of my dream station 1 is how it looks). Wow, what a disappointment. I am so unimpressed by the new model- there are major negatives present which youâve highlighted well for us all- namely the tiny touch screen which is only viewable and usable from the top of the unit! For a bedside unit that is just ridiculous! And how fiddly it is now to access the humidifier tank, what a joke! I can that I will be steering very well clear of this model. In fact if my current dreamstation 1 died tomorrow Iâd simply look to purchase the same one and ignore this second model. And yep- for camping and travelling I bought from you a z2 auto with battery pack and I LOVE it! Therefore my dreamstation remains permanently on my bedside table and for that I want the ease of use and high performance and features they come with a big bedside unit. Your review covered all areas of concern for me and I think you did a great job of covering all angles especially the missed potential for increased and more useful data logging and AI adaptive smarts that theyâve simply missed the boat on. Philips should be embarrassed about what theyâve put out for sale to the market here- it is, quite frankly, a downgrade to live from the 1 series to this 2 series model. Cheers
Thanks legend, really appreciate the great feedback and glad you enjoyed the video. I think if Philips had have come out and given us a new low price point to make their machine affordable then i'd probably be pretty keen to promote it to the viewers but you can't charge a top end premium and not deliver. I also think the elderly are really going to struggle with that small touch screen. Great to hear you're enjoying the Z2 auto also! Take care mate. Nick
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Love your approach to full transparency, including your own biases, and candidly reviewing the good, the bad, and the ugly. Thinking beyond what the manufacturer has promoted and sharing your insights on what they havent told us from your research and experience. At the end of the day, it is your perceptions but you bring awareness to many things to consider so we have more information to make the choice right for us. THANK YOU
Great review. The DS2 is a far cry from the DS1 in every way. The so-called improvements are anything but. Why would this be? To improve profit margins for the manufacturer. I'm okay with most changes but the humidifier chamber is similar to something from the dark ages.
hahah it sure is dude, i got my hand on recently it sure fits your description....i can't complain i kind of like this dark ages device, it can make your desk look stylish. lol
@@dewitubeX1 Yeah. But we need it for the functionality. Not sure if you used the DS1, but it was so much cooler. That was a well thought out device, with the exception of the 'possible' cancer-causing foam.
@@jeremyw5377i have both, yeah the first is still great the only reason i got this one was because i want to have auto cpap and also liked the look. I got the ds2 for $500 almost new.
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Great opening, really creative! I wonder if Phillips had any focus group input for this product. It seems like it was designed by somebody who doesn't use a CPAP machine. Keep up the good work! Your videos are always informative and a lot of fun to watch.Thanks and stay safe!
Hi there, thanks for that. Just trying to make them a touch more interesting to watch as the topic is pretty boring for most. Glad you enjoy them though. I did wonder that myself! I'm sure they would have but some aspects of the design have certainly left me confused. I think the elderly customers are going to hate the touch screen. Cheers
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Will never purchase another Phillips Respironics equipment again. I've had a System One for 5 years and the Dreamstation for 4 years, breathing in their death foam gases and residue.
Just watched this today, it was done prior to the recall. I agree, Nick, with all suggestions for improvements, especially for making the machine more user friendly for the visually impaired and dexterity impaired. The first priority for all manufacturers of health related equipment such as cpap and bipap and ventilators, should be providing a product that is harmless, pure and free or all toxic components, so that the user breathes in the purest air possible. That means considering the type of plastics and foams and glues used. I just got my dream station 2 replacement last week and the moment I opened it, it stunk from plastic or glue. I won't be using it. Did they not learn from the dream station 1 toxic foam issue? Priority needs to be health not money making.
Hi there, thanks for the support. Yes i'm glad i was able to review this and give an honest, unbiased, review. It seemed very cheap and poorly made to me but now i think it's so they can save money on the recall. I agree with your priorities and i think moving forward many of the manufacturers will also agree (hopefully!). Best wishes. Nick
"Priority needs to be health not money making." In the U.S. this has become a huge problem. It used to be we were "patients". Now... we're "customers". I remember when our clinic/hospital changed their phones message so when you call they refer to us as "customers". I don't want to be a customer of a clinic/hospital or other healthcare establishment. I want to be a patient. They care for patients... they market to customers, they charge customers through the roof, they are only concerned with keeping the books in the black... profit ĂŒber alles! Same with when you got to see a doctor and the nurse starts out the visit taking your vitals, etc. They spend most of their time on the computer and not even looking at the patient. Same with a lot of doctors. My doctor, thank God talks to "me" and looks at "me" and we communicate... not him sitting on a computer and talking to me without looking at me. He takes the time and that's the right way. But sadly, the overall system, just as with politics, etc., is all broken.
Hey John, thanks man! A lot to like about the system one mate. They sometimes get a noisy motor after a few years but keep that filter nice and clean and she will give you years of service. Take care. Nick
@@gosman949 Hey brother, i think a new machine will be released in the second half of 2021. It's only an educated guess but i have been on the money many times before. Cheers
@@johnmwenham5308 haha. You're not plebs to me brother! We will have to wait and see but i'm thinking around sept 2021. Time will tell and you can call me out on this if i'm wrong ;-)
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Thanks Nick! Wow! How can Phillips have gotten the dream station two so incredibly wrong? Oh, but then again, just found out the dream station one Iâve enjoyed for over five years now may have been poisoning me the entire time! What a shame! This fact not withstanding, the dream station two takes a huge step no leaps backwards, wouldnât have wanted it for this reason alone. Absolutely no consideration for the CPAP users. I am done with Phillips!
New/first time user 3 weeks ago with DS2 as my first machine and this video hit the nail on the head. Based on my research as well, less user adjustments for humidification options. Screen responsiveness is poor/slow. Can't seem to find this miraculous 12mm heated tubing. I wanted to geek out with data reports, but lacks details. Agree on wearable options. Spot on review! Great work.
Hey Scott, really appreciate the feedback mate especially from a new user. I haven't checked yet (because i couldn't figure out how to take it apart) but i have a feeling they've probably used the same turbine / motor from the DS1 also. It's almost embarrassing that they call it a colour touch screen. Mine didn't even come with a 12mm heated tube and it wasn't even an option. Philips have some really really bad business practices. They release the new machines only to a very few select companies so they can get all the 'sales' from the hype and then gradually release it to smaller companies. Because of this you only get 'reviews' from companies that are their best customers. I also find it pretty hard to swallow that they are now releasing information about a potential fault with the DS1 which i have known about for years. Anyway, poor form as far as i'm concerned. Cheers
I was sent the Dreamstation 2 as a recall replacement for the original Dreamstation, and I like it. I also have the Dreamstation Go, and the Dreamstation 2 is similar to me. I grew to love the lightweight 12mm hose on the Dreamstation Go, and actually started to use my Go over my regular Dreamstation because of it, so I'm happy to see the Dreamstation 2 using a 12mm hose, and I have good results with this setup, my AHI is generally under 2. Regarding the top screen, I figured out a long time ago that it's quieter not having your CPAP at head level, so I keep mine on the floor, and I can just roll over, and look down at the top to see the touchscreen. Now, regarding the size, if you're someone who likes to travel by motorcycle, all riders requiring CPAP therapy look for a compact CPAP to save space in their luggage. And why there are travel CPAP's, only a couple have humidifiers, the Go being one of them, but it has also been recalled, and I like masks where the hose connects at the top of the head, which can't be used with HME. So, for me personally, this is a good travel and home CPAP machine. My only real gripe, no auto off, not that I've found anyway. I have 2 cats, and if one of them steps on the button while I'm at work, the thing will run all day long.
Another problem with the DS2 is that if you don't wear your glasses to sleep (who among us does!) the screen and lettering can be way to small to read! (Of course, that's completely apart from Foamgate.)
The water chamber is probably the most annoying thing about the DS2. The lid is extremely flimsy, Iâve almost broken the clips twice now. However I do like the fact I can replace that entire chamber when itâs time. Iâm looking forward to trying that new 12mm heated tube when itâs available.
Hey, thanks for sharing your experience with the Dreamstation 2. I don't like that lid either. I'm not a fan of that little display either although i guess they might be trying to push people onto using the app. I don't think there's enough to justify the price tag. I didn't bother mentioning the tube as why would it not be available when the machines released? Makes no sense. I'm confused
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Excellent review Nick, you have some good points, on # 2 being lighter and no swivel for the hose, i could see me dragging it off my night stand, i had my DS2 for 5 years with 13,327 hours on it with no problem's.
Thanks Rob, appreciate the kind words. Keep an ear out for your DS1 as there has been news of problems with the sound insulation foam and it can disintegrate and end up in your turbing/motor. Here's the vid - czcams.com/video/NAXkLJ_v9F0/video.html . Don't worry about it too much but just be aware. I will let you know if i hear any more info. Cheers
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I disagree with some parts of your review. Size does matter and in this case the small form factor is really important. Also the heated tube is super light -- it's the lighted heated tube I have come across. I also think patients will like the look of it. I never understood why folks complained about the size and look of the Dreamstation 1 but they did -- at least in our clinics. It didn't seem to matter that they could take the compressor on trips and leave the humidifier at home. Serious travelers are opting for travel CPAP. Agreed, for older people touch screen may be hard for them to manipulate.
You nailed the DS2! It's obviously built on the cheap and looks like thin, hard plastic that breaks easily. As for travel; I went all over with my DS1 minus humidifier and it traveled great. This looks so flimsy, I doubt it lasts 2 or 3 trips without breaking. I would love to buy a travel machine but insurance companies (At least mine) won't pay for a travel machine.
Excellent presentation and review. You're spot on! Keep up the good work and valuable public service. You, and your channel, are very much appreciated.
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Great review! Those were all my concerns when the first review of the DS2 came out. I'll stay with the 1. Thank you for giving of your time to help us make informed decisions :)
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Got my replacement dream station 2 last week. So far so good. The only thing aggravating is the fill tank. The new machine is easier to adjust and the smaller tube is way more flexible!! Even with the tank aggravation I like the Dream Station 2!!
@@francescowart6034 Not any louder than my original Dream Station. Make sure the seal between the blower and water tank is sealed good. Thatâs the only place I can think of would leak and be noisy. Hope this helps đ
My wife just took her Dream Station 2 out of the box and felt just like you...this is a cheap replacement for DS1!!! Medicare gave this piece of crap...oh, I meant "Dream Station" to my wife and she is trying to find a way to keep using her Dream Station 1! This is a true disappointment for Dream Station users. Who would one call or contact to complain about the new CPAP machine? I've read the Google reviews. NOW THAT'S AN ATTENTION-GETTER!!! 1.9 OUT OF 5, YES, FIVE!!! If THAT don't tell Philips something, they ARE NOT listening!!! Do you have any advice for a Medicare CPAP patient? Thank you for your GREAT, STRAIGHT-TO-THE-POINT VIDEO!!! This is a GREAT PIECE OF WORK!!!
Many thanks for the review. I just got the DreamStation 1 a few days back. Havent unboxed it. Then i see the new model and i was going to take my device back to exchange it for the new one. After watching your video im sticking to DreamStation 1.
Hi there, welcome to the channel. In my humble opinion the DS1 is certainly a better unit but apparently there's also a potential fault - here's the link czcams.com/video/NAXkLJ_v9F0s/video.html
As always great contents, thank you for the review for the DS2 as i am on currently surveying which CPAP machine most suited to my liking, as for now it seems DS 1 still a reasonable choice.
Appreciate that! It's not like there's anything that i really hated about the machine, it's small, it's light, it's quiet but i just don't think they can justify the price tag when there hasn't been significant improvements or upgrades etc. DS1 is still fantastic option and can pick them up for a bargain with the new release out. Have a great day!
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I have a DS1 and it's starting to crap out on me and I've only have it about 3 years. I'm a truck driver and it always annoyed me that it won't sit flush on my cabinet area and I have to literally have my cabinet door open and sitting inside of it for it not to fall. I also have had issues with my machine not recognizing the humidifier, not recognizing the SD card, and not recognizing the power cord when it's plugged in. So alot of errors in my end. I don't mind having the humidifier connected all the time because I have to have it per my prescription. The only thing I can't see myself liking is the touch screen being on top of the unit. I'll give it a try. My machine is fried.
Hi Aarika, thanks you so much for you insightful comment. I'm sorry that you have had so many issues with your DS1. Perhaps you might want to consider switching to the AirSense11 which is being released by ResMed - czcams.com/video/8gLsiEIiFEg/video.html . Best wishes. Nick
This was great Nick. They should hire you to help with R and D. We would all have a better product if this were the case. Itâs hard enough navigating the ins and outs of sleep therapy. Thank you for helping us. Goodnight from Denver , Colorado!
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Well , this is a positive review for the first DreamStation , seems like Philips was sleeping tight while hooked on their first generation DreamStation . I was kinda pissed at getting my first CPAP in the form of the DreamStation and seeing the release of the new one , but after seeing reviews online , i'm glad i got this one .
Hey Alexandre, i certainly think the DS1 is a better machine personally although philips have just released some information on a potential fault with the DS1 so just be aware of it. Here's the link - czcams.com/video/NAXkLJ_v9F0/video.html
I got my replacement but since it took them forever i bouight a resmed 10 based on your recommendation so happy I did. I will hold one to DS2 for an emergency.
With the DreamStation 1 on the verge of a major recall, I predict that this DreamStation 2 and its horrible features, may spell the end of Philips Respironics. I will keep my DreamStation 1 for now (after I thoroughly inspected it today, and don't feel the sound insulation is eroding in mine yet). Then I will start to look at alternatives to Philips. This company seems to always ruin a good thing (Norelco another example) when they get their hands on it.
Greetings . . . I've got the ds1 also . . . the recall has happened with the warning you could be getting cancer. why do you feel safe continuing to use it? I too don't see signs of foam insulation breaking down, but what about the carcinogenic vapors they are warning about. Corporate power at its worst. I'm not for overbearing government regulation of corporations and their practices, but surely something like this should never have happened . . . people using machines to help them breathe, feel better and stay alive, then being told the same machines may be giving you lung cancer.
The water tray cannot be understated: itâs truly a ghastly design flaw. All the issues well mentioned are true, but users need to know the slide on and off is NOT easy. Itâs dicey, and requires lining pieces up just right. Hard for the non nimble, the hard of seeing - and for the space challenged! The tray slides BACKWARDS to lift off and out, requiring much more total free table space than even the old system took up. Itâs a watery affair, where spilling is possible. Also note that unless you have a delicate touch, itâs a two handed affair - essentially pulling the machine apart with both hands - every night! I go to bed late: imagine machine disassembly at 3:00 AM when your wife is asleep, and you are tired⊠Fill the machine earlier in the night if possible, just after dinner - as you wonât want to do it at bedtime!!
When you are doing it night after night it does get frustrating and i also have my doubts on how durable those clips are over time. Cheers for your feedback and insights. Nick
I donât care about the weight or look of the machine. I want something that works. Last night was my first time with CPAP or should I say C-crap. Air being forced down my gullet all night long? I hear that thereâs an adjustment period but this is ridiculous!
Hi Lara, i hear ya! And i also enjoyed your play on words haha. I think most people have this reaction to it in the beginning. Here's my vid for beginners - czcams.com/video/TK58N4BqxwQ/video.html. The best tip i can give for a beginner is to start with the lowest possible therapy pressure level (normally 4cmH20) and then you can gradually increase it over time as you get use to it. Most people notice it gets easier after about 2-4 weeks so hang in there!
@@CPAPReviews Thanks for the support! I appreciate it very much. My doctor failed to ask me if I was claustrophobic, which I am! I think the masks were triggering it. For some reason I forget that Iâm claustrophobic. Go figure. That said, I changed to a nasal mask only, with very light weight straps. I think itâs called a P10 used with the Resmed machine. I was able to fall asleep and kept it on for 2.5 hours! Iâm feel much more hopeful. However, the nasal congestion is a problem and my throat became dry. I think I need to play with a humidifier. I did use a chin strap which I had to modify with scissors. So itchy!!!
Your review is dead on. If anything, you are too kind! The view screen is⊠astonishing in its tiny and poor usage elements. The fact that you have to basically strip the machine down to put water in every freaking night - SERIOUSLY? Your dad perspective is just the right way to see this, and itâs a disaster from the âold user, non computer literateâ point of view!
Hi there, i'm glad you think so and yes i think i went a bit easy on them. This was before the recall and if i had my time again it would be a much different review! Thanks for your support. Nicko
@@CPAPReviews : Considering the recall, the severity of it, and the scope (a staggering portion of their total product line!) you would think they would especially want to get it right. They didnât, but they are apparently doing a replacement of all DS1 with this new version. People are gonna get a forced upgrade, like it or not! You might want to redo your review⊠and be blunter. You were way too kind. (See my other comment added after this oneâŠ)
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I didn't buy a DS-2 buy but now have two two unit that are replacements for my recalled DS-1. I did purchase a BMC Luna II over a year ago while I was waiting on the replacement units and it seems to be working fine. If Sleep HQ or OSCAR could read the data card on the Luna II I would just get rid of my DS-2 units. I hope the next OSCAR update will include BMC units. Not 100% happy with the Luna II, but it is also a less expensive machine here in the US so it makes sense it doesn't have all the features of other machines.
Great ideas there for improvements...Phillips, I hope you're listening??!! SPo2 /pulse/movement analysis would be a nice tie-in. Maybe add basic EEG sensors as well to the mask headgear...lets get crazy
I received the black and returned the white model. The black is inferior and this video explains why. I miss the ramp up for pressure. And refilling water in the middle of the night is hard to do. I do not like the black model at all.
Hi there, thanks for the validation. I'm glad you agree with my review. I also think the DS1 white was superior except for the toxic foam of course. Best wishes. Nick
Agree with you 100% on all points. I just received this machine as a replacement to my System One due to recall. My biggest problem with it is the lack of air flow. I have the pressure cranked all the way up and it still doesn't provide anywhere near the same pressure as my System One at a much lower setting. As a result, my AHI is much higher. Sometimes I feel like I am suffocating. Will have to look into getting a different machine.
Well that's disappointing, size and weight aren't going to improve my sleep and a screen that is hard to see is a bummer for those of us with glasses. So glad my dreamstation is pretty new because this doesn't seem like an upgrade.
Hi Annie, i'm still in shock to be honest! Almost angry. The original is very reliable so keep your filters clean and it should last you many years :-). Have a lovely day!
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Spot on. After receiving my replacement machine and trying it for 30 seconds I headed for the computer in a state of utter disappointment. It is so horribly loud it practically echoes on breath intake. The humidifier setup is ridiculously awkward. It feels cheap and I can see numerous points where plastic fittings may break. I am supposed to return the DS1 and I'm not sure I'm going to. I will be contacting my supplier to see what my options are. "Do not buy" is no overstatement!
My wife has used both the Dreamstation 1 and Dreamstation 2. She has had so many problems with them. All of a sudden, they'll stop putting out sufficient pressure. I just sent her Dreamstation 2 back for repair in December -- she had been using it for 5 months, and also had that malfunction. They sent her a new one, and that started putting our insufficient pressure after a week of usage. The pressure is set at 12. Last night I hooked up a manometer to the device, and the pressure was varying between 4 and 10 as she breathed. I give up. I can contact Phillips, but getting tired of sending them back and them sending a new one (it's still under warranty).
Totally agree! I received an HP DM2 replacement unit, and chose to not give up my much better DM1. (I have installed a foamless blower motor housing.) My DM2 is still in its box.
Just received mine today and I totally agree with you...I hate that I have to return my dream station one that I love. Think I will just go to Ebay and buy myself one even if I have to pay for it myself and send them back their new one too! Ugh!!
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I received my DreamStation 2 through the recall and used it for the first time last night. I hate the humidifier and mine didn't heat up. We had s burst of humidity so I don't know if the air is moist enough or not. The only thing that impressed me is it told my sleep events per hour without searching for it. I woke up with a plugged up nose the same thing my old DreamStation 1 did. The fan motor sounds like it's 10 years and the bearings are going out of it. It has that new CPAP smell.
Hi there, thanks for sharing your feedback in insights. You could probably sell it on and get yourself a ResMed. Superior machine to the Philips in every way. Cheers
@@CPAPReviews Based on other videos and programs I have watched I debated on breaking the seals on the box. In the USA I think you have to be licensed to sell and resell CPAP machines. If I knew the humidifier was working correctly I would be more happy. The humidity in Southern Illinois is almost 100% this weekend. So the machine may be adjusting to prevent rainout in the hose. It's around 68°F(20°C) outside too warm to run the heat and too cool to dehumidify with the A/C. It's suppose to be safe and effective. So I got what I asked for! LOL!
@@CPAPReviews dont use the humidifier iI never use it Even when the recall never use humidifier I got the dream station 2 is better to be safe than don't stop using ur machine.. is true about bye screen.. but if u have sleep apnea use ur machine I not about beauty is about ur health ...get a humidifier in Walgreens or Amazon Never use the humidifier my doctor said dream 2 is safe im skinny and i have sleep apnea ..but talk to ur Doctor Philips sucks in everything
My dream station over one-year-old is not aging very fast. The top is peeling, and the touchscreen stops working after a few days and requires the power cord to be cycled. Now this morning was unable to turn it off so just pulled the plug.
i got. the dreamstation 2 due to recall. hme masks last 30 days at best. the 2 is completely quiet. Any breath noises users hear is their mask. all use info is in the app. i also have a resmed that is a year old. the resmed runs out of water faster than any I've had. most insurance cover the cost of cpap machines and equipment. one thing that contributes to running out of water is being awake with it on for too long. people breathe deeper and more often than when sleeping. if you need a humidifier attachment at home. you'll need one camping.
Philips following the typical corporate culture of today cost, schedule & shareholder value minus quality and innovation because that takes time & money. Just look at the Boeing Company and you can see where that corporate culture gets you. Great review mate and I agree with you on your findings thanks for all the helpful videos.
I did wonder that myself. Or perhaps being such a massive company they are allocating resources to more 'profitable' parts of the corporation? Who knows?! I think you make some really valid points. Thank you
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Hey Craig, i can't help but agree with you on this mate. It certainly looks and feels that way and after two weeks the top plastic plate is completely scratched and looks terrible ( i haven't even moved yet!). It looks cheap, feels cheap and i think if you looked at the cost for the manufacturer it probably is cheap. Cheers
Wow. That is a bit disappointing. Thank you so much for the honest review. I have chubby fingers and that interface would not suit me very well. lol I guess we'll have to see if the AirSense 11 is going to be much better!! Keep up the great work!!
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Hi Wade, this is true however the company would also know that 99.99% of people are going to put it on the bedside table which is at eye level. It's only a small detail and not really important but it's many small details that they have overlooked which makes it a pretty terrible design. The casing also scratches very very easily and mine looks like it's been attacked by a cat after a few weeks use. I don't recommend any Philips equipment after their #FOAMGATE recall saga. They're shit. Cheers
Really solid review Mate! Philips hit a home run on the DS1, so I imagine it's a bit difficult to follow up with something better. You made a solid argument for improvements that Philips could use. You know you stuff man, thanks for your thoughts!
Hi Everyone, Philips have released a report that claims there might be a fault with potential health risks relating to sound insulating foam inside the dreamstation 1 (the original white machine). If you would like to watch the video you can do so here - czcams.com/video/NAXkLJ_v9F0/video.html . Sorry to do this to you!
Being a DS1 user that is a not an improvement in the function department 3 steps backwards hope that DS1 potentially product ending problem is fixed . Great video thanks for the honest review DS2 is rubbish. Thanks
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I got one and everything you said in this video about this machine is true. This is my first Phillips Dreamstation machine and Iâm not impressed. Iâm going back to Resmed and waiting on the reviews of the Resmed 11. Thanks for being honest in your reviews.
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@@CPAPReviews Youâre welcome. I jumped the gun to get one because I was able to get it at a very good price. It looked really cool. Have you done a video comparing the accuracy of the AHI between machines? With settings very close with my RESMED, the D2 AHI was always in the high side (4,2) compared to my Resmed 10 @ 2,3. Iâm not sure which one is accurate. Thanks again. Keep up the great content.
I have been unhappy with my DS1 for every day of the 3+ years that I have used it. Pulmonary function works as it should. My complaint has been with the humidifier. Unless I set at 1 on the humidifier settings, the thing runs dry in the wee hours of the morning. When it runs dry, it has no auto shutdown for the hot plate. You get the thrill of inhaling overheated plastic and an overly dry mouth. That little elevator that lifts the water tank about an inch means that the tank must be down sized at each corner which takes away water capacity. I switched to a Res Med 10 a few months ago and the problem went away. I keep it set at about the middle and it works fine. Very disappointed that the did not fix the problem. John in Wisconsin USA
Hi John, thank you for sharing your experience (although unfortunate) with the DS1. For the life of me i can't work out why 95% of people have no problems with the water running dry but for some it just runs out super quick! Has to be some sort of heater plate fault i think. It must run too hot and just zap the water dry too quickly. Great to hear you managed to fix the problem but shame you had to switch manufacturers to do so. Appreciate the insights. All the best. Nick
The humidifier color the fill line color is hard to see. I do have a vision loss And I need help to fill this machine. I got it due to the recall I wish I would have gotten a different manufacture but this is what they offered me.
Hi Anthony, yeah it's got a few flaws this machine but it's probably better than nothing. I'm hoping they don't recall it also! - czcams.com/video/plC1aUPbcdw/video.html
The humidifier lid is a dealbreaker on this machine for me. Way too much trouble to top it off in the middle of the night. Thank you so much for this video.
My father would never be able to fill that humidifier. He could not manage a resmed machine, but he can manage a dreamstation 1. Dreamstation 2, no way is that going to work. Some people are not as mechanically adept as others.
I definitely don't like a smaller water tank, and where it is located. With the old machine I can add water while lying in my bed. Also I prefer the old controls, I can adjust while I am lying down. The new machine does seem to be a little quieter, but for some reason I hear my breath more.
All these small things mean much more when we need to use it every night. I think I'll stay with my ResMed Airsense 10 for now. Great video, thanks again from Canada!
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haha, i'm was hoping to get a laugh from someone so thank you! I believe it will be this year but it's only a guess based on previous product cycles. I think ResMed will also feel like they can probably steal some of Philips market share now that the DS2 hasn't lived up to the hype. If ResMed can deliver a great upgrade then i imagine many users will jump across. Time will tell :-)
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My dream station one is just over 5 years old. This past week I had a doctors appointment and all is good with my sleep apnea treatment. I have been working with my pressures (thanks to you). I brought up the disintegrating foam shooting into my lungs from the dream station 1 to my doctor, she was unaware of any problem, but suggested that since my machine was past the 5 year mark, she would put in an order for a new one for me. My current medical supply company only offers me a choice of two machines, the DS 2, and the Air sense 11. Neither of the two seemed to impress you very much, granted I think you only had the manual for a quick review of the air sense 11. If you had to buy a new CPAP machine today, which brand would you go with? I am pretty sure I can change supply company if itâs one they donât carry. I definitely want one that I can play with the pressures. I also think that my insurance, the way it sounded from my doctor, will only cover a new machine every 5 years. So I agree with you and am not getting a warm and fuzzy feeling with a 2 year warranty. Thanks for all the videos and for any suggestions you may have for me on a new machine.
Hi there, great to hear from you. If you're looking for a new machine i would be choosing the Air11 over the DS2 even though i haven't had a play with it yet. Although it doesn't look like the Air11 has any major improvements over the AirSense10 it certainly hasn't gone backwards in development. The DS2 i didn't like at all. P.S if you would like to make a bit of money or help out the channel, please contact me via through czcams.com/users/CPAPReviewsabout . I would like to make you a proposal ;-). Nick
Hi. I have just received my DS2, because the recall. At first I was happy because it look nice, but then, and after this video, I prefer my old Dream Station! Tonight will be my first time with DS2. Let see what happen. Thanks for all the information you present in this video.
I received my new Dreamstation exactly to the day one year after I applied for the recall. Last night was my first night on it. I hate it. I can hear a pin drop to the floor from across the roomâŠ. that is how good my hearing is. The noise is very bothersome. Every time I breath, I hear myself inhaling. The Dreamstation 1 was absolute silence from day one. I know I am going to miss the DS1 greatly.
I agree the water chamber is really cumbersome. I go to bed before my husband and if he needs to fill his chamber it very loud taking it off and putting it back on just to add a bit of water. Always wakes me up.
I bought a Wellue O2 ring. It bluetooths to my phone then auto transfers it via Dropbox so I can save all results and heart rate to Oscar. Just got a demo of the Dreamstation 1. Will see how it goes.
That's awesome mate, i've done a vid on that ring - czcams.com/video/N8FMw3CeDN0/video.html . Really cool! I've tested probably 30 of my friends using it. Got 3 of my dads mates on cpap now because of it haha. Take care friend. Nick
Totally agree!! Received my DS2 (replacement for DS1) yesterday, after waiting over 6 mts. Definitely not a fan of the new design. Also, it came with a smaller hose, and I did not feel like there was as much air flow? Just used 1 night so time will tell. Thanks for all your reviews pal!!
The new model is so disappointing. Once I saw how awkward and uneasy it is to fumble with that humidity chamber, I am trying to figure out how to return this to Philips. Clearly, the people who designed this didnât use it and consider the ease of use. All I can figure is that they threw this piece together to satisfy the recall issue. Ugh! đ
To me, it looks like it's just a Dreamstation Go (which i have and really like) in a larger black case and classified as "home" vs "travel" so you can submit to insurance. Tell me I'm wrong.
I think you've nailed it mate. I think they were struggling for market share with their travel cpap and thought perhaps if they made a 'home' unit similar to a 'travel' unit then they could take some market share but it was a terrible idea. Cheers
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I use the humidify as a muffler...it's hell noisy with the humidifier removed LOL. I also suspect they made it a bit more clumsy so that you're discouraged from using it for travel and instead by their traveller model LOL. I wonder if they changed the 'toxic avenger' sound suppression material in this newie?? I prefer some weight as well..if you manage to jump up still connected, down goes the machine..happened to me LOL..luckily I think the device was unharmed.
After a week of use 2 main issues I have are the water reservoir leaks and the tiny connection points that will break the first time I try to open the door to fill it while connected to the machine.
Every change they made is a negative for me. After receiving the DS2, I wanted to keep my DS1, but Philips they won't take back the DS2 and they are threatening to charge me for the it. I'm pissed because I paid a lot for the DS1 and the "replacement" they sent is inferior and not an equal trade. I like the white case, as said here, the shiny black shows fingerprints and any speck of dust. The humidification chamber on the DS1 is perfect for cleaning and ease of use compared to the DS2. The DS1 display is easier to read and you can read it when you are standing or in bed. The decreased weight of the DS2, and the immobile tube connector, makes me worry I will accidently yank it off of my bedside table when moving at night. My DS1 gets pulled around, but has stayed on the table. I'm currently looking at ResMed options.
Totally agree with your assessments! I don't use the humidifier so had that part disconnected on the Dreamstation I and now forced to have a bigger machine as I can't disconnect the humidifier on the II. Because of the recall though, forced to use the II and really disliking it. The air pressure doesn't even feel the same and feels like I'm suffocating at the same pressure level that I used for the last 5 years. Do we think the recall was really necessary? Haven't sent back the old machine and sure would like to go back to using it!
I got a free DS2 due to the recall. There's probably no chance to change it to a new machine... I do find it much quieter than the DS1. It hides under my bedside table, and I only use it at night... So I don't care a bit about the aesthetics EXCEPT the button light which is IMPOSSIBLE to turn off (when the machine is in idle mode), which is a pain when my wife goes to bed before I do. The light is bloody bright in the dark. The lack of ability to disconnect the humidifier is a bit of a pain. I don't use the humidifier, so my DS1 was always nice and compact. But the DS2 is quite large by comparison. Overall, I don't mind it.
Dream Station is being recalled. I so appreciate the info as I am considering whether to go with the Dream Station 2 which is not part of the recall. Thanks
All Respironics machines prior to 4/2021 for CPAP are being recalled. There are others as to ventillators. Please check Respironics website 877-907-7508
Hi there, i certainly can understand your frustration but all the DME and CPAP clinics will have very little knowledge or understanding of the situation yet as they have only been heard about it yesterday. We're all just going to have to be very patient with this. It's not a quick fix. Nick
I just got my recall replacement in the form of the DS2. I opened the outer box and saw the papers with the pictures of this replacement. I took one look and said this POS, no way. I paid out of pocket about $1600 for my DS only to be given an $800 DS2. replacement. Havent decided how to handle it yet. Oh and it showed up yesterday. They did not even email me to tell me it was being mailed.
Sorry to hear that mate, i can imagine the disappointment after waiting so long. The Philips algorithm is also rubbish, here's the vid - czcams.com/video/j0BnXaruxFU/video.html . Good luck brother
Spot on. The water running out, the shit lid are a big issue. I tend to wake up dry mouthed when the water runs out and shut it off. PS the sound level is quieter.
I just received my replacement DREAMSTATION 2 in the mail today. I have to return my recalled/broke Dreamstation 1.. actually I am having a home sleep study this week and was hoping I could get a Resmed device.. guess I will try thisđ€·ââïž..
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Why can I no longer take out the information gathering hardware in the ds 2? That's hightly sus.
Nick , I seriously think that you should design a machine of your own with all the inputs that you have discussed in this video.
Hey mate, haha, i was just goofing around! If i ever develop anything it will be a new product so we don't have to wear a mask anymore ;-). Take care
@@BrettMoore66 that's why i said i would make something different. I've seen people raise 20 million for a bee hive idea or a bird feeder on indigogo etc. If you have a good cpap idea i'm sure you could easily raise 30 million in months! I imagine then the big companies would buy the idea and shelve it just like they did the everlasting light bulb ;-) czcams.com/video/j5v8D-alAKE/video.html
@@CPAPReviews agree đŻ
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I was forced to âupgradeâ to version 2 due to a recall. I agree with you 100%. Version 2 sucks! I would rather have the Dreamstation 1 or ResMed Airsense 10 than this Dreamstation 2. And I will mention, That the Dreamstation 2 is noisy. You can hear every breath that you inhale through the filter holes. No pre-heat on the version 2 either. Refilling the tank is cumbersome and messy. I liked the graph on the old one also. It seems that the Covid excuses have given a lot of manufacturers an chance to go cheap and charge twice as much!
I totally agree with you! I liked the Dreamstation 1 better.
Also inflation but yeah agree. It's been happening for decades.
I received a recall notice for my DS1 as well. I find the Max marking on the DS2 tank could use some improvement. The Max marking is practically invisible except on the side facing the rest of the machine. This means I have to try and watch the water level on the side where I can easily see the Max level while also keeping an eye on the water I'm pouring in to make sure I get it in the container. I find the slide design for the water holder could also use improvement. Sure the DS1 required room behind to open and access the water reservoir, but the DS2 requires even more room to slide off the water reservoir; why not just sturdy clips (unlike many other devices where the clips are flimsy and guaranteed to break).
I wish he would show a vision impaired old lady like myself trying to remove and refill the water chamber without dropping the distilled water jug, spilling water out the bottom, plastic side hole, or,
simply bouncing off the top plus popping back on the top. They need to include a mop to clean my floor and some towels for sheets and desk. Grr.
Yep, I just got my recall Dreamstation 2 and am going nuts hearing myself breathe through the filter hole- they definitely cut corners with this model to save with the recall. I suspect this version was actually meant to be a travel CPAP. Haven;t returned my Dreamastation 1 yet, am tempted to take it apart and see if I can rip out the carcinogenic foam....what do you all think?
For those with a DS1 (and older philips cpaps) - Okay guys so here's the only fact that matters here! Information straight form the recall page on the Canadian Health Govt Website - Issue number 2 is the worse!
"Philips has become aware of two (2) issues that may pose a risk for patients or users of Philips Respironics branded Continuous Positive Airway Pressure (CPAP), Bi-Level Positive Airway Pressure (BIPAP), and Mechanical Ventilators:
1. Philips has determined from user reports and testing that the Polyester-Based Polyurethane (PE-PUR) sound abatement foam used in Philips continuous and non-continuous ventilators may degrade under certain circumstances, and the degraded particles could potentially enter the air pathway of the device. This issue affects Philips Respironics branded CPAPâs, Bi-Levels, and Mechanical Ventilators.
2. The results of testing performed by Philips indicate that the PE-PUR sound abatement foam used in these devices may emit certain chemicals. Our investigation to date indicates that this emission occurs during initial operation and may possibly continue throughout the device's useful life.
These issues impact all device product platforms manufactured with Polyester Polyurethane (PE-PUR) sound abatement foam"
So let me break this down so it's easier to understand. Basically Philips have gone and grabbed a brand new DS1 off the shelf, turned it on and tested the air coming out of it. They have determined from this that machine is 'emitting certain chemicals' and that this happens from day 1 and may continue for the life of the machine! Now from the U.S recall page they have stated these are 'carcinogenic' chemicals.
So from day one, your machine is pumping you full of carcinogenic chemicals and this could continue night after night for the life of the machine. This is the reason for the recall! They are using the ozone / foam break down as a smoke screen to hide the real reason which that it doesn't matter how you clean your device or what the weather is...From day 1...It's bad for you! Stay tuned and good luck
I'm done with Philips.
the one dramatic improvement: removing the foam degrading sound insulation that caused the DreamStation 1 recall. and notice they announced the recall after dreamsteam #2 became available.
Probably the best comment i have seen in a long time. Thank you
i took my DS1 apart and removed the foam. it was still silent. i recently received a DS2 from phillips due to the recall and it i can hear every single breath i take. they really went backwards with this
â@@resqjason2 Why are they putting brain cancer causing equipment in machines that the government has a contract to distribute to medicare and medicaid patients FOR NO REASON? Highly suspect. Also you can now no longer remove the wifi chip and the external information card. Something's fishy here.
@@resqjason2I hate my ds2 I had an extra ds1 and got th $30 pump chamber off Amazon with no foam and it is so quiet and is as reliable as it has always been in the first month with the ds2 I had to have it in for service 4 times. Ds1 I love ds2 is trash
@@d.ericseaboldt2191 I bought that replacement chamber too, and it works just fine.
Now Philips has sent me a DS2, and threatened to charge me for the ds1 if I don't ship it back to them.
I'd rather send back the DS2.
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I'm honestly exhausted. It's a very difficult time here in Melbourne with another lockdown and the whole family is just super flat.
I'm not sure what the future holds but hopefully we can continue this journey together.
Stay safe and look out for one another as i know you all will.
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Hang in there Nick. You offer a great service to the world of cpap users. Don't stop speaking truth to power. And by the way, on what basis is Philips trying to shut you down?
I agree seems to have gone backwards. First one is better, just now we have the recall issue. I just found out today. So who know how I will be sleeping now :( no machine anyway
How did you get the dreamstation 2 in Australia. They aren't approved in Australia yet
Dream station 1 recalled due to cancer link.
www.news5cleveland.com/news/national/sleep-apnea-machines-ventilators-recalled-over-cancer-risk?fbclid=IwAR1a7YkZp4K_3FgCCkabHaqACfGX9f0bDhQJN_ykbCYAPCpygTiMk7Z9jcM
"Stay safe"đ this is the mantra of the vaccinated! Hopefully you didn't take too many boosters & are still with us! Great information my friend!
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Awww thanks for that :-). Same to you!
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Thanks for a great review. I have been using my new DS 2 for about 5 days now and I really dislike the humidifier tank. I fill it just before bedtime and my wife is usually fast asleep already. The dark tank in a dark room using a small flashlight make it very difficult to see the marks on the tank. The clear tank on the DS 1 was simple. About the only change in mine that I like is the 12mm hose, no more tangling up while sleeping. Keep up with the great info.
MY tank runs dry by 3 am, and i have constant sore throat and sinuses.
What a great informative review Nick! I am an avid fan of the dream station - I use a dreamstation 1 fixed pressure unit, itâs almost 5 years old and itâs still running as well as the day I bought it. Itâs reliable, comfortable to use, easy to use and configure. The humidity control works brilliantly and is very customisable for how much humidity you find comfortable. When I saw your video thumbnail I was so excited at the prospect of a brand new machine, full of new useful features, better aesthetics (the only real weakness of my dream station 1 is how it looks). Wow, what a disappointment. I am so unimpressed by the new model- there are major negatives present which youâve highlighted well for us all- namely the tiny touch screen which is only viewable and usable from the top of the unit! For a bedside unit that is just ridiculous! And how fiddly it is now to access the humidifier tank, what a joke!
I can that I will be steering very well clear of this model. In fact if my current dreamstation 1 died tomorrow Iâd simply look to purchase the same one and ignore this second model.
And yep- for camping and travelling I bought from you a z2 auto with battery pack and I LOVE it! Therefore my dreamstation remains permanently on my bedside table and for that I want the ease of use and high performance and features they come with a big bedside unit.
Your review covered all areas of concern for me and I think you did a great job of covering all angles especially the missed potential for increased and more useful data logging and AI adaptive smarts that theyâve simply missed the boat on.
Philips should be embarrassed about what theyâve put out for sale to the market here- it is, quite frankly, a downgrade to live from the 1 series to this 2 series model.
Cheers
Thanks legend, really appreciate the great feedback and glad you enjoyed the video. I think if Philips had have come out and given us a new low price point to make their machine affordable then i'd probably be pretty keen to promote it to the viewers but you can't charge a top end premium and not deliver. I also think the elderly are really going to struggle with that small touch screen. Great to hear you're enjoying the Z2 auto also! Take care mate. Nick
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Love your approach to full transparency, including your own biases, and candidly reviewing the good, the bad, and the ugly. Thinking beyond what the manufacturer has promoted and sharing your insights on what they havent told us from your research and experience. At the end of the day, it is your perceptions but you bring awareness to many things to consider so we have more information to make the choice right for us. THANK YOU
Great review. The DS2 is a far cry from the DS1 in every way. The so-called improvements are anything but. Why would this be? To improve profit margins for the manufacturer. I'm okay with most changes but the humidifier chamber is similar to something from the dark ages.
hahah it sure is dude, i got my hand on recently it sure fits your description....i can't complain i kind of like this dark ages device, it can make your desk look stylish. lol
@@dewitubeX1 Yeah. But we need it for the functionality. Not sure if you used the DS1, but it was so much cooler. That was a well thought out device, with the exception of the 'possible' cancer-causing foam.
@@jeremyw5377i have both, yeah the first is still great the only reason i got this one was because i want to have auto cpap and also liked the look. I got the ds2 for $500 almost new.
My first dreamstation is non auto just cpap.
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Great opening, really creative! I wonder if Phillips had any focus group input for this product. It seems like it was designed by somebody who doesn't use a CPAP machine. Keep up the good work! Your videos are always informative and a lot of fun to watch.Thanks and stay safe!
Hi there, thanks for that. Just trying to make them a touch more interesting to watch as the topic is pretty boring for most. Glad you enjoy them though. I did wonder that myself! I'm sure they would have but some aspects of the design have certainly left me confused. I think the elderly customers are going to hate the touch screen. Cheers
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Will never purchase another Phillips Respironics equipment again. I've had a System One for 5 years and the Dreamstation for 4 years, breathing in their death foam gases and residue.
Same here. Not happy!
Agreed I still can't believe this. Fucking assholes I have kids to take care of and now I'm worried I'm sick
same here
Do we have any info on the contents of this new white foam inside the DS 2?
Just watched this today, it was done prior to the recall. I agree, Nick, with all suggestions for improvements, especially for making the machine more user friendly for
the visually impaired and dexterity impaired. The first priority for all manufacturers of health related equipment such as cpap and bipap and ventilators, should be providing a product that is harmless, pure and free or all toxic components, so that the user breathes in the purest air possible. That means considering the type of plastics and foams and glues used. I just got my dream station 2 replacement last week and the moment I opened it, it stunk from plastic or glue. I won't be using it. Did they not learn from the dream station 1 toxic foam issue? Priority
needs to be health not money making.
Hi there, thanks for the support. Yes i'm glad i was able to review this and give an honest, unbiased, review. It seemed very cheap and poorly made to me but now i think it's so they can save money on the recall. I agree with your priorities and i think moving forward many of the manufacturers will also agree (hopefully!). Best wishes. Nick
"Priority needs to be health not money making." In the U.S. this has become a huge problem. It used to be we were "patients". Now... we're "customers". I remember when our clinic/hospital changed their phones message so when you call they refer to us as "customers". I don't want to be a customer of a clinic/hospital or other healthcare establishment. I want to be a patient. They care for patients... they market to customers, they charge customers through the roof, they are only concerned with keeping the books in the black... profit ĂŒber alles! Same with when you got to see a doctor and the nurse starts out the visit taking your vitals, etc. They spend most of their time on the computer and not even looking at the patient. Same with a lot of doctors. My doctor, thank God talks to "me" and looks at "me" and we communicate... not him sitting on a computer and talking to me without looking at me. He takes the time and that's the right way. But sadly, the overall system, just as with politics, etc., is all broken.
Great honest review Nick and hopefully Resmed take note when they release their new model. And in the meantime, I'll stick with my System One haha.
Hey John, thanks man! A lot to like about the system one mate. They sometimes get a noisy motor after a few years but keep that filter nice and clean and she will give you years of service. Take care. Nick
@@gosman949 Nick hinted at it in his last video I think, but ETA is still unknown at this stage by us plebs!
@@gosman949 Hey brother, i think a new machine will be released in the second half of 2021. It's only an educated guess but i have been on the money many times before. Cheers
@@johnmwenham5308 haha. You're not plebs to me brother! We will have to wait and see but i'm thinking around sept 2021. Time will tell and you can call me out on this if i'm wrong ;-)
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Thanks Nick! Wow! How can Phillips have gotten the dream station two so incredibly wrong? Oh, but then again, just found out the dream station one Iâve enjoyed for over five years now may have been poisoning me the entire time! What a shame! This fact not withstanding, the dream station two takes a huge step no leaps backwards, wouldnât have wanted it for this reason alone. Absolutely no consideration for the CPAP users. I am done with Phillips!
Feels like it was redesigned by highly qualified engineers that don't actually use a CPAP.
Me tooâŠthe morning DS2 display shows AHI over 5âŠbut the download to my dr isnât showing this. It is a cheap air blower.
New/first time user 3 weeks ago with DS2 as my first machine and this video hit the nail on the head. Based on my research as well, less user adjustments for humidification options. Screen responsiveness is poor/slow. Can't seem to find this miraculous 12mm heated tubing. I wanted to geek out with data reports, but lacks details. Agree on wearable options. Spot on review! Great work.
Hey Scott, really appreciate the feedback mate especially from a new user. I haven't checked yet (because i couldn't figure out how to take it apart) but i have a feeling they've probably used the same turbine / motor from the DS1 also. It's almost embarrassing that they call it a colour touch screen. Mine didn't even come with a 12mm heated tube and it wasn't even an option. Philips have some really really bad business practices. They release the new machines only to a very few select companies so they can get all the 'sales' from the hype and then gradually release it to smaller companies. Because of this you only get 'reviews' from companies that are their best customers. I also find it pretty hard to swallow that they are now releasing information about a potential fault with the DS1 which i have known about for years. Anyway, poor form as far as i'm concerned. Cheers
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I was sent the Dreamstation 2 as a recall replacement for the original Dreamstation, and I like it. I also have the Dreamstation Go, and the Dreamstation 2 is similar to me. I grew to love the lightweight 12mm hose on the Dreamstation Go, and actually started to use my Go over my regular Dreamstation because of it, so I'm happy to see the Dreamstation 2 using a 12mm hose, and I have good results with this setup, my AHI is generally under 2. Regarding the top screen, I figured out a long time ago that it's quieter not having your CPAP at head level, so I keep mine on the floor, and I can just roll over, and look down at the top to see the touchscreen. Now, regarding the size, if you're someone who likes to travel by motorcycle, all riders requiring CPAP therapy look for a compact CPAP to save space in their luggage. And why there are travel CPAP's, only a couple have humidifiers, the Go being one of them, but it has also been recalled, and I like masks where the hose connects at the top of the head, which can't be used with HME. So, for me personally, this is a good travel and home CPAP machine. My only real gripe, no auto off, not that I've found anyway. I have 2 cats, and if one of them steps on the button while I'm at work, the thing will run all day long.
Another problem with the DS2 is that if you don't wear your glasses to sleep (who among us does!) the screen and lettering can be way to small to read! (Of course, that's completely apart from Foamgate.)
I agree with you. The machine is made on the cheap. There's no denying it! Thank you. NIck
The water chamber is probably the most annoying thing about the DS2. The lid is extremely flimsy, Iâve almost broken the clips twice now. However I do like the fact I can replace that entire chamber when itâs time. Iâm looking forward to trying that new 12mm heated tube when itâs available.
Hey, thanks for sharing your experience with the Dreamstation 2. I don't like that lid either. I'm not a fan of that little display either although i guess they might be trying to push people onto using the app. I don't think there's enough to justify the price tag. I didn't bother mentioning the tube as why would it not be available when the machines released? Makes no sense. I'm confused
@@CPAPReviews I got the new tube with my new DS2 this week.
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Great commentary, I can FEEL how badly you wanted #2 to be better, and seems it's just not. Thanks for the review and honesty!
haha thanks Joe. I noticed that myself! Way to much 'feeling' going on in this vid (apologise for that). Have a good one. Nick
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Excellent review Nick, you have some good points, on # 2 being lighter and no swivel for the hose,
i could see me dragging it off my night stand, i had my DS2 for 5 years with 13,327 hours on it with no problem's.
Thanks Rob, appreciate the kind words. Keep an ear out for your DS1 as there has been news of problems with the sound insulation foam and it can disintegrate and end up in your turbing/motor. Here's the vid - czcams.com/video/NAXkLJ_v9F0/video.html . Don't worry about it too much but just be aware. I will let you know if i hear any more info. Cheers
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I disagree with some parts of your review. Size does matter and in this case the small form factor is really important. Also the heated tube is super light -- it's the lighted heated tube I have come across. I also think patients will like the look of it. I never understood why folks complained about the size and look of the Dreamstation 1 but they did -- at least in our clinics. It didn't seem to matter that they could take the compressor on trips and leave the humidifier at home. Serious travelers are opting for travel CPAP. Agreed, for older people touch screen may be hard for them to manipulate.
PS the wrestling bit was hilarious, tho haha
Thanks for your feedback Larissa
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You nailed the DS2! It's obviously built on the cheap and looks like thin, hard plastic that breaks easily. As for travel; I went all over with my DS1 minus humidifier and it traveled great. This looks so flimsy, I doubt it lasts 2 or 3 trips without breaking. I would love to buy a travel machine but insurance companies (At least mine) won't pay for a travel machine.
Hi John, thanks for the validation and support brother. Best wishes. Nick
Excellent presentation and review. You're spot on! Keep up the good work and valuable public service. You, and your channel, are very much appreciated.
Appreciate that mate. Glad you're enjoying the content. Have a good one. Nick
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Great review! Those were all my concerns when the first review of the DS2 came out. I'll stay with the 1. Thank you for giving of your time to help us make informed decisions :)
Hi Patricia, glad you enjoyed the video. You're welcome :-)
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The One is recalled though. At least mine was.
@@Pdubbcooking yes I exchanged mine for the resmed fir her as soon as the issues were announced. I'm happy with the resmed so far :)
@@patriciacarey1926 unfortunately I was automatically sent a replacement which is the Dreamstation 2. Feels like a downgrade.
Got my replacement dream station 2 last week. So far so good. The only thing aggravating is the fill tank. The new machine is easier to adjust and the smaller tube is way more flexible!! Even with the tank aggravation I like the Dream Station 2!!
Does it make a lot of noise or am I doing something wrong?
@@francescowart6034 Not any louder than my original Dream Station. Make sure the seal between the blower and water tank is sealed good. Thatâs the only place I can think of would leak and be noisy. Hope this helps đ
@@francescowart6034 Mine is very quiet and I'm perplexed to hear others saying it is noisy.. My wife was the first to remark about how quiet it is.
Hi Nick, hello from Mexico. I just bought a used dreamstation from a dealer of this type of equipment. Mexico being a sort of junk box for the USA and Canada. On your CZcams channel I knew how to use it by watching the three episodes on the dreamstation, even before receiving it. I used it three nights, it is a great CPAP, before knowing thanks to you again, of the danger of using it, a danger apparently well hidden by Philips for quite a long time. Finally a few minutes ago, arriving from work, on your channel I just saw the solution to my problem. Being in Mexico and without the invoice of this US device, I do not think I am entitled to the guarantee of the Philips company. Thank you very much Nick for all your advice, for sharing your experience with all of us, for always giving your opinion frankly. Congratulations to your CZcams channel. Your friend, Philippe Mellé.
Been using the DS2 for about 2 years and you are spot on. Only advantage I see in my DS2 is that it does seem to want to kill me like my old DS1.
My wife just took her Dream Station 2 out of the box and felt just like you...this is a cheap replacement for DS1!!! Medicare gave this piece of crap...oh, I meant "Dream Station" to my wife and she is trying to find a way to keep using her Dream Station 1! This is a true disappointment for Dream Station users. Who would one call or contact to complain about the new CPAP machine? I've read the Google reviews. NOW THAT'S AN ATTENTION-GETTER!!! 1.9 OUT OF 5, YES, FIVE!!! If THAT don't tell Philips something, they ARE NOT listening!!! Do you have any advice for a Medicare CPAP patient? Thank you for your GREAT, STRAIGHT-TO-THE-POINT VIDEO!!! This is a GREAT PIECE OF WORK!!!
Many thanks for the review. I just got the DreamStation 1 a few days back. Havent unboxed it. Then i see the new model and i was going to take my device back to exchange it for the new one. After watching your video im sticking to DreamStation 1.
Hi there, welcome to the channel. In my humble opinion the DS1 is certainly a better unit but apparently there's also a potential fault - here's the link czcams.com/video/NAXkLJ_v9F0s/video.html
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As always great contents, thank you for the review for the DS2 as i am on currently surveying which CPAP machine most suited to my liking, as for now it seems DS 1 still a reasonable choice.
Appreciate that! It's not like there's anything that i really hated about the machine, it's small, it's light, it's quiet but i just don't think they can justify the price tag when there hasn't been significant improvements or upgrades etc. DS1 is still fantastic option and can pick them up for a bargain with the new release out. Have a great day!
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I have a DS1 and it's starting to crap out on me and I've only have it about 3 years. I'm a truck driver and it always annoyed me that it won't sit flush on my cabinet area and I have to literally have my cabinet door open and sitting inside of it for it not to fall. I also have had issues with my machine not recognizing the humidifier, not recognizing the SD card, and not recognizing the power cord when it's plugged in. So alot of errors in my end. I don't mind having the humidifier connected all the time because I have to have it per my prescription. The only thing I can't see myself liking is the touch screen being on top of the unit. I'll give it a try. My machine is fried.
Hi Aarika, thanks you so much for you insightful comment. I'm sorry that you have had so many issues with your DS1. Perhaps you might want to consider switching to the AirSense11 which is being released by ResMed - czcams.com/video/8gLsiEIiFEg/video.html . Best wishes. Nick
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This was great Nick. They should hire you to help with R and D. We would all have a better product if this were the case. Itâs hard enough navigating the ins and outs of sleep therapy. Thank you for helping us. Goodnight from Denver , Colorado!
Hi Dianne, appreciate that! Thanks for your support. Nick
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Well , this is a positive review for the first DreamStation , seems like Philips was sleeping tight while hooked on their first generation DreamStation . I was kinda pissed at getting my first CPAP in the form of the DreamStation and seeing the release of the new one , but after seeing reviews online , i'm glad i got this one .
Hey Alexandre, i certainly think the DS1 is a better machine personally although philips have just released some information on a potential fault with the DS1 so just be aware of it. Here's the link - czcams.com/video/NAXkLJ_v9F0/video.html
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I got my replacement but since it took them forever i bouight a resmed 10 based on your recommendation so happy I did.
I will hold one to DS2 for an emergency.
Great stuff. Cheers
Another point on the weight: The lighter DM2 would likely not "anchor" as well on a tabletop due to lighter weight.
With the DreamStation 1 on the verge of a major recall, I predict that this DreamStation 2 and its horrible features, may spell the end of Philips Respironics. I will keep my DreamStation 1 for now (after I thoroughly inspected it today, and don't feel the sound insulation is eroding in mine yet). Then I will start to look at alternatives to Philips. This company seems to always ruin a good thing (Norelco another example) when they get their hands on it.
Greetings . . . I've got the ds1 also . . . the recall has happened with the warning you could be getting cancer. why do you feel safe continuing to use it? I too don't see signs of foam insulation breaking down, but what about the carcinogenic vapors they are warning about. Corporate power at its worst. I'm not for overbearing government regulation of corporations and their practices, but surely something like this should never have happened . . . people using machines to help them breathe, feel better and stay alive, then being told the same machines may be giving you lung cancer.
When my DS 2 came, they said I had to mail back the DS 1. What will Phillips do if you just keep the old one?
The water tray cannot be understated: itâs truly a ghastly design flaw. All the issues well mentioned are true, but users need to know the slide on and off is NOT easy. Itâs dicey, and requires lining pieces up just right. Hard for the non nimble, the hard of seeing - and for the space challenged! The tray slides BACKWARDS to lift off and out, requiring much more total free table space than even the old system took up. Itâs a watery affair, where spilling is possible. Also note that unless you have a delicate touch, itâs a two handed affair - essentially pulling the machine apart with both hands - every night! I go to bed late: imagine machine disassembly at 3:00 AM when your wife is asleep, and you are tired⊠Fill the machine earlier in the night if possible, just after dinner - as you wonât want to do it at bedtime!!
When you are doing it night after night it does get frustrating and i also have my doubts on how durable those clips are over time. Cheers for your feedback and insights. Nick
I donât care about the weight or look of the machine. I want something that works. Last night was my first time with CPAP or should I say C-crap. Air being forced down my gullet all night long? I hear that thereâs an adjustment period but this is ridiculous!
Hi Lara, i hear ya! And i also enjoyed your play on words haha. I think most people have this reaction to it in the beginning. Here's my vid for beginners - czcams.com/video/TK58N4BqxwQ/video.html. The best tip i can give for a beginner is to start with the lowest possible therapy pressure level (normally 4cmH20) and then you can gradually increase it over time as you get use to it. Most people notice it gets easier after about 2-4 weeks so hang in there!
@@CPAPReviews Thanks for the support! I appreciate it very much. My doctor failed to ask me if I was claustrophobic, which I am! I think the masks were triggering it. For some reason I forget that Iâm claustrophobic. Go figure. That said, I changed to a nasal mask only, with very light weight straps. I think itâs called a P10 used with the Resmed machine. I was able to fall asleep and kept it on for 2.5 hours! Iâm feel much more hopeful. However, the nasal congestion is a problem and my throat became dry. I think I need to play with a humidifier. I did use a chin strap which I had to modify with scissors. So itchy!!!
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Your review is dead on. If anything, you are too kind! The view screen is⊠astonishing in its tiny and poor usage elements. The fact that you have to basically strip the machine down to put water in every freaking night - SERIOUSLY? Your dad perspective is just the right way to see this, and itâs a disaster from the âold user, non computer literateâ point of view!
Hi there, i'm glad you think so and yes i think i went a bit easy on them. This was before the recall and if i had my time again it would be a much different review! Thanks for your support. Nicko
@@CPAPReviews : Considering the recall, the severity of it, and the scope (a staggering portion of their total product line!) you would think they would especially want to get it right. They didnât, but they are apparently doing a replacement of all DS1 with this new version. People are gonna get a forced upgrade, like it or not! You might want to redo your review⊠and be blunter. You were way too kind. (See my other comment added after this oneâŠ)
Iâll stick with the DS1. Thank you for the honest review!
Thanks Kelly, certainly a fav of mine. Have a great day
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@Kelly Levesque, DS1 is under a recall, it's potentially cancerous to use due to a fault in the isolation foam.
I didn't buy a DS-2 buy but now have two two unit that are replacements for my recalled DS-1. I did purchase a BMC Luna II over a year ago while I was waiting on the replacement units and it seems to be working fine. If Sleep HQ or OSCAR could read the data card on the Luna II I would just get rid of my DS-2 units. I hope the next OSCAR update will include BMC units. Not 100% happy with the Luna II, but it is also a less expensive machine here in the US so it makes sense it doesn't have all the features of other machines.
Great ideas there for improvements...Phillips, I hope you're listening??!! SPo2 /pulse/movement analysis would be a nice tie-in. Maybe add basic EEG sensors as well to the mask headgear...lets get crazy
I received the black and returned the white model. The black is inferior and this video explains why. I miss the ramp up for pressure. And refilling water in the middle of the night is hard to do. I do not like the black model at all.
Hi there, thanks for the validation. I'm glad you agree with my review. I also think the DS1 white was superior except for the toxic foam of course. Best wishes. Nick
Agree with you 100% on all points. I just received this machine as a replacement to my System One due to recall. My biggest problem with it is the lack of air flow. I have the pressure cranked all the way up and it still doesn't provide anywhere near the same pressure as my System One at a much lower setting. As a result, my AHI is much higher. Sometimes I feel like I am suffocating. Will have to look into getting a different machine.
Well that's disappointing, size and weight aren't going to improve my sleep and a screen that is hard to see is a bummer for those of us with glasses. So glad my dreamstation is pretty new because this doesn't seem like an upgrade.
Hi Annie, i'm still in shock to be honest! Almost angry. The original is very reliable so keep your filters clean and it should last you many years :-). Have a lovely day!
@@CPAPReviews Some 5 years or 20,000 hours - whatever comes first!
Thanks for the info! Really appreciate it :-)
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Spot on. After receiving my replacement machine and trying it for 30 seconds I headed for the computer in a state of utter disappointment. It is so horribly loud it practically echoes on breath intake. The humidifier setup is ridiculously awkward. It feels cheap and I can see numerous points where plastic fittings may break. I am supposed to return the DS1 and I'm not sure I'm going to. I will be contacting my supplier to see what my options are. "Do not buy" is no overstatement!
My wife has used both the Dreamstation 1 and Dreamstation 2. She has had so many problems with them. All of a sudden, they'll stop putting out sufficient pressure. I just sent her Dreamstation 2 back for repair in December -- she had been using it for 5 months, and also had that malfunction. They sent her a new one, and that started putting our insufficient pressure after a week of usage. The pressure is set at 12. Last night I hooked up a manometer to the device, and the pressure was varying between 4 and 10 as she breathed. I give up. I can contact Phillips, but getting tired of sending them back and them sending a new one (it's still under warranty).
Totally agree! I received an HP DM2 replacement unit, and chose to not give up my much better DM1. (I have installed a foamless blower motor housing.) My DM2 is still in its box.
Just received mine today and I totally agree with you...I hate that I have to return my dream station one that I love. Think I will just go to Ebay and buy myself one even if I have to pay for it myself and send them back their new one too! Ugh!!
Thank you for such informative and honest reviews Nick. You really have a great channel. You explain everything so well!!
Really appreciate the support. Glad you enjoy the content :-). Have a great day
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I received my DreamStation 2 through the recall and used it for the first time last night. I hate the humidifier and mine didn't heat up. We had s burst of humidity so I don't know if the air is moist enough or not. The only thing that impressed me is it told my sleep events per hour without searching for it. I woke up with a plugged up nose the same thing my old DreamStation 1 did. The fan motor sounds like it's 10 years and the bearings are going out of it. It has that new CPAP smell.
Hi there, thanks for sharing your feedback in insights. You could probably sell it on and get yourself a ResMed. Superior machine to the Philips in every way. Cheers
@@CPAPReviews Based on other videos and programs I have watched I debated on breaking the seals on the box. In the USA I think you have to be licensed to sell and resell CPAP machines. If I knew the humidifier was working correctly I would be more happy. The humidity in Southern Illinois is almost 100% this weekend. So the machine may be adjusting to prevent rainout in the hose. It's around 68°F(20°C) outside too warm to run the heat and too cool to dehumidify with the A/C. It's suppose to be safe and effective. So I got what I asked for! LOL!
@@CPAPReviews dont use the humidifier iI never use it Even when the recall never use humidifier I got the dream station 2 is better to be safe than don't stop using ur machine.. is true about bye screen.. but if u have sleep apnea use ur machine I not about beauty is about ur health ...get a humidifier in Walgreens or Amazon Never use the humidifier my doctor said dream 2 is safe im skinny and i have sleep apnea ..but talk to ur Doctor Philips sucks in everything
My dream station over one-year-old is not aging very fast. The top is peeling, and the touchscreen stops working after a few days and requires the power cord to be cycled. Now this morning was unable to turn it off so just pulled the plug.
Unfortunately it's a very poor design that was built at the lowest cost possible
i got. the dreamstation 2 due to recall. hme masks last 30 days at best. the 2 is completely quiet. Any breath noises users hear is their mask. all use info is in the app. i also have a resmed that is a year old. the resmed runs out of water faster than any I've had. most insurance cover the cost of cpap machines and equipment. one thing that contributes to running out of water is being awake with it on for too long. people breathe deeper and more often than when sleeping. if you need a humidifier attachment at home. you'll need one camping.
Philips following the typical corporate culture of today cost, schedule & shareholder value minus quality and innovation because that takes time & money. Just look at the Boeing Company and you can see where that corporate culture gets you. Great review mate and I agree with you on your findings thanks for all the helpful videos.
I did wonder that myself. Or perhaps being such a massive company they are allocating resources to more 'profitable' parts of the corporation? Who knows?! I think you make some really valid points. Thank you
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I can't help feeling the new model has been designed to be cheaper to manufacture thus increasing profit margin.
Hey Craig, i can't help but agree with you on this mate. It certainly looks and feels that way and after two weeks the top plastic plate is completely scratched and looks terrible ( i haven't even moved yet!). It looks cheap, feels cheap and i think if you looked at the cost for the manufacturer it probably is cheap. Cheers
Like you I am underwhelmed by the DS 2. I have an inkling the DS 1 recall is at least partially fabricated to generate sales or the DS 2.
Hi George, welcome to the channel. I thought that too in the beginning but it's certainly not the case. Best wishes buddy. Nick
Wow. That is a bit disappointing. Thank you so much for the honest review. I have chubby fingers and that interface would not suit me very well. lol I guess we'll have to see if the AirSense 11 is going to be much better!! Keep up the great work!!
Unfortunately it's not the amazing new machine i thought it would be. Glad you enjoyed the video :-)
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About the screen being on top..they really want to device to be below you. Not at eye level and above.
Hi Wade, this is true however the company would also know that 99.99% of people are going to put it on the bedside table which is at eye level. It's only a small detail and not really important but it's many small details that they have overlooked which makes it a pretty terrible design. The casing also scratches very very easily and mine looks like it's been attacked by a cat after a few weeks use. I don't recommend any Philips equipment after their #FOAMGATE recall saga. They're shit. Cheers
Really solid review Mate! Philips hit a home run on the DS1, so I imagine it's a bit difficult to follow up with something better. You made a solid argument for improvements that Philips could use. You know you stuff man, thanks for your thoughts!
Welcome mate, glad you enjoyed it
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Being a DS1 user that is a not an improvement in the function department 3 steps backwards hope that DS1 potentially product ending problem is fixed . Great video thanks for the honest review DS2 is rubbish. Thanks
Hi Donald, they might be up for a few million DS1 motor replacements potentially. Could be huge!
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I got one and everything you said in this video about this machine is true. This is my first Phillips Dreamstation machine and Iâm not impressed. Iâm going back to Resmed and waiting on the reviews of the Resmed 11. Thanks for being honest in your reviews.
Hello and welcome to the channel. Thank you so much for video endorsement. There's been other reviewers saying my review is rubbish and the points made invalid but it's great to hear from a user to back up what was mentioned. Have a lovely weekend :-)
@@CPAPReviews Youâre welcome. I jumped the gun to get one because I was able to get it at a very good price. It looked really cool. Have you done a video comparing the accuracy of the AHI between machines? With settings very close with my RESMED, the D2 AHI was always in the high side (4,2) compared to my Resmed 10 @ 2,3. Iâm not sure which one is accurate. Thanks again. Keep up the great content.
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So far so good with my replacement DS2. I'm sending my CancerStation One back today.
That's great, i think the foam in the DS2 is even worse to be honest but time will tell. Change company if and when you can. Nick
I have been unhappy with my DS1 for every day of the 3+ years that I have used it. Pulmonary function works as it should. My complaint has been with the humidifier. Unless I set at 1 on the humidifier settings, the thing runs dry in the wee hours of the morning. When it runs dry, it has no auto shutdown for the hot plate. You get the thrill of inhaling overheated plastic and an overly dry mouth. That little elevator that lifts the water tank about an inch means that the tank must be down sized at each corner which takes away water capacity. I switched to a Res Med 10 a few months ago and the problem went away. I keep it set at about the middle and it works fine. Very disappointed that the did not fix the problem.
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Hi John, thank you for sharing your experience (although unfortunate) with the DS1. For the life of me i can't work out why 95% of people have no problems with the water running dry but for some it just runs out super quick! Has to be some sort of heater plate fault i think. It must run too hot and just zap the water dry too quickly. Great to hear you managed to fix the problem but shame you had to switch manufacturers to do so. Appreciate the insights. All the best. Nick
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The humidifier color the fill line color is hard to see. I do have a vision loss And I need help to fill this machine. I got it due to the recall I wish I would have gotten a different manufacture but this is what they offered me.
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The humidifier lid is a dealbreaker on this machine for me. Way too much trouble to top it off in the middle of the night. Thank you so much for this video.
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My father would never be able to fill that humidifier. He could not manage a resmed machine, but he can manage a dreamstation 1. Dreamstation 2, no way is that going to work. Some people are not as mechanically adept as others.
Hi there, agree with this. My father would struggle a lot too. Thank you
I definitely don't like a smaller water tank, and where it is located. With the old machine I can add water while lying in my bed.
Also I prefer the old controls, I can adjust while I am lying down.
The new machine does seem to be a little quieter, but for some reason I hear my breath more.
All these small things mean much more when we need to use it every night. I think I'll stay with my ResMed Airsense 10 for now. Great video, thanks again from Canada!
Love my ResMed AirSense 10. It is whisper quiet and does it's job!
I 100% agree. Hi from Melbourne
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When do you think Resmed will introduce a new APAP? Love your introduction by the way! I had to laugh! A fun way to do a cpap video.
haha, i'm was hoping to get a laugh from someone so thank you! I believe it will be this year but it's only a guess based on previous product cycles. I think ResMed will also feel like they can probably steal some of Philips market share now that the DS2 hasn't lived up to the hype. If ResMed can deliver a great upgrade then i imagine many users will jump across. Time will tell :-)
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My dream station one is just over 5 years old. This past week I had a doctors appointment and all is good with my sleep apnea treatment. I have been working with my pressures (thanks to you). I brought up the disintegrating foam shooting into my lungs from the dream station 1 to my doctor, she was unaware of any problem, but suggested that since my machine was past the 5 year mark, she would put in an order for a new one for me. My current medical supply company only offers me a choice of two machines, the DS 2, and the Air sense 11. Neither of the two seemed to impress you very much, granted I think you only had the manual for a quick review of the air sense 11. If you had to buy a new CPAP machine today, which brand would you go with? I am pretty sure I can change supply company if itâs one they donât carry. I definitely want one that I can play with the pressures. I also think that my insurance, the way it sounded from my doctor, will only cover a new machine every 5 years. So I agree with you and am not getting a warm and fuzzy feeling with a 2 year warranty. Thanks for all the videos and for any suggestions you may have for me on a new machine.
Hi there, great to hear from you. If you're looking for a new machine i would be choosing the Air11 over the DS2 even though i haven't had a play with it yet. Although it doesn't look like the Air11 has any major improvements over the AirSense10 it certainly hasn't gone backwards in development. The DS2 i didn't like at all. P.S if you would like to make a bit of money or help out the channel, please contact me via through czcams.com/users/CPAPReviewsabout . I would like to make you a proposal ;-). Nick
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Hi. I have just received my DS2, because the recall. At first I was happy because it look nice, but then, and after this video, I prefer my old Dream Station! Tonight will be my first time with DS2. Let see what happen. Thanks for all the information you present in this video.
I belive Philps forces you to use hymidifier to reduce the possibility of foam issue.
Iâve owned both of these machines, to include the ResMed Airsense 10 and with all its shortcomings I still love my DreamStation 2.
I received my new Dreamstation exactly to the day one year after I applied for the recall. Last night was my first night on it. I hate it. I can hear a pin drop to the floor from across the roomâŠ. that is how good my hearing is. The noise is very bothersome. Every time I breath, I hear myself inhaling. The Dreamstation 1 was absolute silence from day one. I know I am going to miss the DS1 greatly.
I agree the water chamber is really cumbersome. I go to bed before my husband and if he needs to fill his chamber it very loud taking it off and putting it back on just to add a bit of water. Always wakes me up.
I bought a Wellue O2 ring. It bluetooths to my phone then auto transfers it via Dropbox so I can save all results and heart rate to Oscar. Just got a demo of the Dreamstation 1. Will see how it goes.
That's awesome mate, i've done a vid on that ring - czcams.com/video/N8FMw3CeDN0/video.html . Really cool! I've tested probably 30 of my friends using it. Got 3 of my dads mates on cpap now because of it haha. Take care friend. Nick
My 2 came in today, two months and 3 days after submitting the return. I agree on many of the points, but happy to have it!
Totally agree!! Received my DS2 (replacement for DS1) yesterday, after waiting over 6 mts. Definitely not a fan of the new design. Also, it came with a smaller hose, and I did not feel like there was as much air flow? Just used 1 night so time will tell. Thanks for all your reviews pal!!
Thank you for this review. With the recall, I'm trying to decide what's best. This helps a lot!
Hi Miriam, you're welcome! Anything is better than Philips. Good luck :-)
You totally nailed the disastrous mistakes Philips made with the Dreamstation 2 (Dreamstation 0.5 rather)
The new model is so disappointing. Once I saw how awkward and uneasy it is to fumble with that humidity chamber, I am trying to figure out how to return this to Philips. Clearly, the people who designed this didnât use it and consider the ease of use. All I can figure is that they threw this piece together to satisfy the recall issue. Ugh! đ
To me, it looks like it's just a Dreamstation Go (which i have and really like) in a larger black case and classified as "home" vs "travel" so you can submit to insurance. Tell me I'm wrong.
I think you've nailed it mate. I think they were struggling for market share with their travel cpap and thought perhaps if they made a 'home' unit similar to a 'travel' unit then they could take some market share but it was a terrible idea. Cheers
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I use the humidify as a muffler...it's hell noisy with the humidifier removed LOL. I also suspect they made it a bit more clumsy so that you're discouraged from using it for travel and instead by their traveller model LOL. I wonder if they changed the 'toxic avenger' sound suppression material in this newie?? I prefer some weight as well..if you manage to jump up still connected, down goes the machine..happened to me LOL..luckily I think the device was unharmed.
After a week of use 2 main issues I have are the water reservoir leaks and the tiny connection points that will break the first time I try to open the door to fill it while connected to the machine.
Thanks for sharing your experience Pete. Best wishes mate. Nicko
Every change they made is a negative for me. After receiving the DS2, I wanted to keep my DS1, but Philips they won't take back the DS2 and they are threatening to charge me for the it. I'm pissed because I paid a lot for the DS1 and the "replacement" they sent is inferior and not an equal trade. I like the white case, as said here, the shiny black shows fingerprints and any speck of dust. The humidification chamber on the DS1 is perfect for cleaning and ease of use compared to the DS2. The DS1 display is easier to read and you can read it when you are standing or in bed. The decreased weight of the DS2, and the immobile tube connector, makes me worry I will accidently yank it off of my bedside table when moving at night. My DS1 gets pulled around, but has stayed on the table. I'm currently looking at ResMed options.
Totally agree with your assessments! I don't use the humidifier so had that part disconnected on the Dreamstation I and now forced to have a bigger machine as I can't disconnect the humidifier on the II. Because of the recall though, forced to use the II and really disliking it. The air pressure doesn't even feel the same and feels like I'm suffocating at the same pressure level that I used for the last 5 years. Do we think the recall was really necessary? Haven't sent back the old machine and sure would like to go back to using it!
Outstanding review, agree with everything you said, including Phillips'lack of innovation.. maybe in a few yrs.
I got a free DS2 due to the recall. There's probably no chance to change it to a new machine...
I do find it much quieter than the DS1.
It hides under my bedside table, and I only use it at night... So I don't care a bit about the aesthetics EXCEPT the button light which is IMPOSSIBLE to turn off (when the machine is in idle mode), which is a pain when my wife goes to bed before I do. The light is bloody bright in the dark.
The lack of ability to disconnect the humidifier is a bit of a pain. I don't use the humidifier, so my DS1 was always nice and compact. But the DS2 is quite large by comparison.
Overall, I don't mind it.
Dream Station is being recalled. I so appreciate the info as I am considering whether to go with the Dream Station 2 which is not part of the recall. Thanks
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Hi there, i certainly can understand your frustration but all the DME and CPAP clinics will have very little knowledge or understanding of the situation yet as they have only been heard about it yesterday. We're all just going to have to be very patient with this. It's not a quick fix. Nick
I just got my recall replacement in the form of the DS2. I opened the outer box and saw the papers with the pictures of this replacement. I took one look and said this POS, no way. I paid out of pocket about $1600 for my DS only to be given an $800 DS2. replacement. Havent decided how to handle it yet. Oh and it showed up yesterday. They did not even email me to tell me it was being mailed.
Sorry to hear that mate, i can imagine the disappointment after waiting so long. The Philips algorithm is also rubbish, here's the vid - czcams.com/video/j0BnXaruxFU/video.html . Good luck brother
Thank you for the insightful critique of DS2. I call it the retaliatory design.
Spot on. The water running out, the shit lid are a big issue. I tend to wake up dry mouthed when the water runs out and shut it off.
PS the sound level is quieter.
thank you very much, I don't like the ds2, not really practical. black always looks dirty. I will buy the ResMed AirSense But i liked the ds1
I just received my replacement DREAMSTATION 2 in the mail today. I have to return my recalled/broke Dreamstation 1.. actually I am having a home sleep study this week and was hoping I could get a Resmed device.. guess I will try thisđ€·ââïž..