Ford´s 3.0L Powerstroke failure modes - also JLR SDV6 / S5-EP16
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- The Ford 3.0L Powerstroke is installed in many different vehicles. Most of them suffer from numerous different failure modes, from bearing seizing to crankshaft snapping. In this episode Christian explains the differences between the Gen1 and Gen2 engine and he goes over the different catastrophic failure modes.
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Hi Christian, you know you want to weld-up the block, Robin wants to weld-up the block, Vera wants you to weld up the block, all your viewers want you to weld-up the block, the tow truck driver wants you to weld-up the block, ONLY the guy wanting to sell you a block with "
Best comment ever.😂
Weld, weld, weld!!!
I mentioned this in the last Video, why not try it, he can drop these engines in 4 hours now 😊
I do head stand yoga to watch these. ;-) Go the weld. Go the weld.
Do it! Weld it! Go, Go, Go !!!
The amount of knowledge Christian has is astounding!
Thank you for a very interesting video!!!
When I was at college studying motor mechanics I only wish Christian was lecturing us, very well narrated and very well explained.
Well Christian, that was an incredibly interesting and eloquently presented lecture that I actually really really enjoyed. You make it so easy to understand, even for stupid people like me 😊 thank you for all the time you must have spent researching the changes in the oil pump design.
Fantastic description of the oil pump. I worked on Durability & Warranty for (Vauxhall/Opel) 1994-2003) on the Ecotec V6, our oil pump had 2 control Valves, a spool valve (like you discussed) that regulated the oil pressure to 5 bar and a pressure relief valve that opened at 10 bar and dumped the oil into the crankcase. The problem we had was (as you mentioned) over pressure causing oil leaks and oil in water ! This was due to the opening port to the spool valve getting partially blocked up so the oil pressure would rise to 7/8 bar depending how often the oil was changed. As desktop mechanics would not listen to advice , the owners (and dealers) just kept changing seals and gaskets then blame the heat exchanger for the problem. So before I carry out any oil leak on this engine I would first check the oil pressure with a gauge to see what pressure the regulator was opening, a good oil flush at every oil change could sort this out. Changing seals & gaskets just shifted the leak to somewhere else (usually a more expensive part) Keep up the good work making these videos, makes me so happy I got rid of my 3.0 V6 TD Jaguar XF 😂
I remember that Ecotec V6 - I had 2 in a vectra and 2 in an Omega. Wasnt much in the way of fuel economics in that 170bhp odd motor.
Underpowered by todays standards but back then, I thought it was a cracking lump in a vectra manual 👍 (bit lacking in an a 4 speed auto heavy omega)
Question for you if I may - From memory, the 2.5/2.6 in a Vectra was mounted across the front axle as per FWD. The Omega was mounted longitudinal as per the RWD in the Omega, how comes the intake manifolds looked totally different if it was the same engine ?
Interesting, where abouts would carry out the test on the engine? The APS?
What are you driving now?
Old school rules for me.
I change my oil every 3000 miles as it makes me feel good and I have never had an engine failure in over 45 years of motoring.
Brilliant video again and I note that Vera’s yellow jacket has finally succumbed to an oil stain on the front 😂.
Time to leave my crypt now and have breakfast.
Looking forward to next week. Cheers
She got two jackets. 😂. Christian
After years of air cooled ownership 3000 feels right, but even on modern stuff every 5k is a good rule of thumb
@@Vera_and_Christian You spoil that woman!!
5w30 or 5w 40 ? I am travelling to Spain in the summer towing a caravan so thinking of 5w 40 for the journey, I will change back to 5w 30 on return
The Discovery could have been such a superb vehicle, spoiled by bureaucrats, but you guys are making them one of the best vehicles ever made. Good work.🏴🏴
So true the mangement in land rover jaguar know this but just want you to buy a new engine . Think back to series land rovers i had a 2 a 2.25 petrol that did 230k miles before rebuild thats when land rover cared tbh my 2023 range rover will be the last i buy so many electrical problems
They are a good vehicle I would personally like one warts and all
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Politicians screw everything up, look at the car industry now in europe !
Same with most new cars
@@gunnarlandin3258 not with wifes sportage what new cars you got to compere?
Christian & Vera, It's a trade agreement between UK and Europe.You send a constant flow of people in rubber boats across the English Channel to us and we send back to you Land Rover engines with 'only 15,000k' which are just about ready to self destruct.Great content, keep it going.
Does anybody else out there also just fancy letting the Ads run through so that Chris and Vera can collect something something? This channel makes my Sunday afternoons a thing to look forward to no matter where I am.
😀🙏🙏💪 I do that for my favourite CZcamsrs also. 🙋♀️
Great informative video.
Just had my td5 serviced.guess what ?.. now has 5w/ 40.
The detail in this video shows the depth of knowledge Christian has developed on this v6 engine
TD5 is the last of the engines that you could get away with poor maintenance on. That centrifugal filter was genius.
I'm a mechanic working in south korea and your video is really helpful to me thanks
My father worked at the Ford factory in Dagenham for 44 years. He used to make the crankshafts for various Ford engines.
and so ?
And so what.
He probably made those
@@hughmarcus1 My Dad retired in the mid 90’s and there was no problems with the work he produced.Not like the shite being produced today. Most of the Ford engines were produced at the Ford plant in Bridgend Wales. Fords of Dagenham is a shadow of its former plant there. So stick that where the sun don’t shine.
So this is your dad's fault 😅
Sunday morning cup of tea and cucumber sandwich and the excellent team back on the job❤
It wouldn’t be Sunday without LR time to entertain and educate, I believe I’ve found the perfect use for 5w dumbass, I put it in the oil bath air filter in my series 11a, it seems to work well compared to the 20/50 treacle,love your work guys.
When my old '92, V6, 3.0l Toyota Forerunner had 380k klms on it, it got driven into a creek, the engine hydro locked and broke the number 6 conrod which poked a hole in the block. I fixed the hole with some body washers an 8mm diameter bolt and gasket silicone. Bought another rod and piston out of a wrecked engine and put a new head gasket on the LH cyl head. The engine did another 100k klms like that. That's pretty rough mechanics but it had to be kept going and it worked. If I had your Disco in it's current state I'd be doing the same thing to it's engine. But I realise that would be totally out of the question and not necessary for you guys. But anything is possible. Great content LR Time.
Hope you didn't buy the con rod and piston out of a stolen engine from a Pole, lol.
@@rambleon2838 from a local 4x4 wrecking yard, don't know what ethnicity he was 🤔😂.
150,000 MILES is the standard design life on most modern engines. That is approximately 5000 hours running on average. Industrial medium duty and off-road engines are designed for a life of between 10,000 and 15,000 hours, so at least double that of light duty engines such as most cars and even light commercials. They can last much longer of course, but many don’t. I have a couple of Ishikawajima Shibaura [ISM] 2.0 industrial diesel engine in skid steer loaders [New Holland] and their detailed manual specifically mentions a 6500 hour design life, which is not good, because both of mine are now approaching 8000 hours use but still run as new as far as I can tell. Apart from the usual water pumps, radiators, alternators and starters, the only issue has been the exhaust manifold bolts on both came loose at about 7000 hours, within a year of each other. They are now 22 years old.
boys and girls pay attention, the professor is sharing jlr tdi wisdoms!! goot class Herr Doktor, thank you for the lecture, your stamina is incredible...
Hi Christian and Vera , starting the day with a cup of tea and LR time. What more could you ask for. Brilliant vid.
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The two best channels from my perspective on you tube is this one and another from a gentleman in the UK called Allen Milyard. The level of knowledge and understanding of automotive working and the ability to fix or make or modify components is what is sadly lacking in the world today, and all done with minimum fuss and with the most basic of setup workshop wise. Brilliantly explained
Allen Milyard would have turned it into a V10 with a bit of welding and a few files...
True, true but the man's a genius with a file!
And Allen does his splendid magic with only 1,7% of the talking Christian does.
I can also confirm the 3.0l V6 motor fitted to the Ford Ranger in Australia does not fit for similar reasons to the F150 in America. Excellent content as always Christian and Vera.
Fantastic technical explanation on the consequences of EURO6 modifications required for the engine to be within new spec limits.
I never attendend to a more complete and competent session on my life: my best compliments and all my admiration for your skill.
Now hope you will weld the block: i'm eager to look at a fantastic, awesome new intervention!
Hats off for your dedition and knowlegde!
Desk top mechanic here , 5 min in ,you guys gonna balance the crankshaft . Great stuff 😎
👏 Dear Christian and Vera - one of your best videos ever! 🙏
It seems every UK non-motorway road is now ‘arduous’ for a Disco, due winter mud and floods providing ideal conditions in pothole mating season. Then just as soon as the sun comes out it’s caravan towing weather. Lastly weekdays, the 5 mile school run - to beat even the finest engineering team into submission; eat your heart out Le Mans and Monza! 😉
Btw, I think Henkel makes some quality German casting repair / hole filler good enough for another 150,000km at least. Stop over thinking it, calling Poland or worrying about British Policing - leave all that fluff to us - you do you, fire up the lathe and get milling! 🫡😊
you'd be correct.
And its the 5 mile school run that's the problem
This is why I love my Toyota Landcruiser and oil change every 5000 kilometres with 15W40 but I love you guys and the great work you do.
And so say all us Toyota drivers
I change my 1GR-FE’s (x2) every 5k
@@JAMESWUERTELE- can I please buy all of your barely used Toyota engines? Thank you
@@johndavies2396 What's the service interval on new Toyotas now?
@@hughmarcus1 When we feel like it
Gonna lie down for a rest after seeing this weeks vlog. Information overload 😂 phew! Fantastically enjoyable channel. Keep up the great work. Peter from UK
Who remembers the run in period of 500 miles for first oil change and then at 5000 intervals.
Who remembers the “Running in please pass” sticker on the back window?
I do I was a apprentice at Saab dealer 35years ago any engine i build even now still do the running in
You mean SAAB! Killed by gm bean counters! 😢
I change my oil at 5000 kilometres, not miles. It's the Toyota 1HD-FT diesel.
Thank you for pointing out the reasoning/causation of non-compliant Toyota engines long life and the emissions compliant engines from Land Rover. Most manufacturers know how to make an engine that will last a long time, but they are constrained by emissions compliance, hence a higher failure rate.
Another informative video. I would never miss an episode. Thanks for taking the time to make these.
A privilege to hear this detailed lecture, Christian. As for ' Christian talks too much' Vera, I believe you can talk for Germany given a chance, let's hear more Vera. Love it.
Love the detail. Thanks again Vera and Christian.
Excellent video Christian & Vera. Very interesting.
As always, A fantastic, informative film!
Absolutely fantastic, well explained video. Go LR TIME 💨
Excellent analysis as always. Really looking forward to how you are going to resolve these issues.
Simply superb information and presentation. Always a pleasure to watch and learn from you both, thanks for posting.
Very entertaining Vera and Christian you are the Best.
Christian is so informative, his knowledge is fantastic
You are the first person that ever explained to me WHY you should change the oil every 3,000 miles. Thank you both! And... I suggest a couple of cans of 'Stop Leak' to get that hole back to 'as new' status....
Well , As a mechanic I've been around diesels for a while. (I'm 76 and have driven ALL over Australia in My Troopy with a 1hz engine ) 5000 ks is the recommended norm (for the era) for a long life regardless of what the manufacturer says. 🦘Cheers
Congratulations. Your best episode ever.
another Great video i love the way you keep it simple
Very informative content. I always look forward to the Sunday videos. Watching from Lusaka Zambia 🇿🇲
Another very good video thank you.christian the font of all knowledge you are outstanding in your description and making it understandable to that i applaud you.
Nothing more enjoyable than listening to a Sunday lecture with Mr Muth. Has Christian made an ornaments out of the first crankshaft? Brilliant video and points raised. I still don't own a landrover but love the quality of videos you provide
Their skill and knowledge is on another level, both Vera & Christian x
I’ll stick to my LS3 Chevy engine after hearing all that 😂😂 love your expertise very professional.
As always bless u for taking the time in making such an informative video , will also change my D3 over to 5/40 , thks again for all ur hard work , stay safe and well
Here endeth the first lesson.Think I’ll go and change my oils! Excellent and very well as always .
Lol
Dear Christian and Vera, your videos deserve the greatest admiration, your knowledge of JLR and other engines is incredible, your hi-lighting of oils/ changes and effective servicing is also recognised by other mechanics on other platforms, the end lesson is, change your oil at 10euros or change your engine at 10000euros.
top notch Vera and Cristian, thank you!!!
Great explanation on how it works and how it doesn’t work !! Great breakdown account. Enjoyed watching. 👍🏼👍🏼
Hi, Another great informative video and very interesting information on Land rovers being stolen in the UK and shipped to Poland. Can’t wait for the next video, Christian would make a great lecture.
wow , you re very pleasant to listen !! very good job !! greatings from Burgundy
A good video with well explained information. As always enjoyed it very much….. 😃👍🏻
Wow Christian you really explain that so well at 20:00 minutes in (ps I make a quick preview and later on I watch the video full time again) but really I learnt a lot now 🙏🏻
Absolutely brilliant video 👍👍
Hi Christian/Vera:
This article - an interview with one of the designers of the powerstroke 3.0 suggests that the JLR 3.0 benefited from some improvements including strengthened crankshaft from Ford’s redesign of the engine. Thinking of purchasing a Discovery 5 with td6 - possibly post 2018
Brilliant as usual 😉 This video should be mandatory for all V6 JLR owners. Now you can relax with a cup of tea
Good morning Christian & Vera 😊 No tools this week but the informative video on LR ever with great humour thrown in 🤣 Great seeing the Queens bum sticking out lol 😂 And as always hugs and kisses for Vera for her great work filming you Christian 🤗 xx
Looking at the bearing wear you have totally depressed me this lovely sunny Sunday, thanks Christian and Vera. 😂
😅👍Don't worry🙋♀️
This lecture is so good I watched it twice! 😊❤
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Very detailed and informative. I learnt a lot. Thank you.
Outstanding content. There is no finer channel on CZcams. I hang on your every word.
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Love your argument for the5w40 oil. 👍have you noticed a lot of people are using the tdv8 as an engine swap.
It’s a major task on a Discovery and not street legal in Germany. Christian
Great video Christian and Vera. I have a 2014 discovery 4 with 181,000 miles and still going. I change my oil every 6 months which is around every 5,000 miles. I am thinking of changing to 5w-40 now though. Keep up the great content. 👍🏻
Hi both,
Stumbled across your ‘show’ last week; have watched several of your episodes. As an owner of a disco 4 2010, disco sport 2016 and a defender 200tdi 1991 (and previous owner of disco 3 with x 2 engine failures) I can sympathise with so many of the faults, but your description and attitude fills in so many of the gaps and makes me feel less mad with my relationship with LRs! Ps i do agree that the new Toyota Land Cruiser (subject to price) could be very interesting! Jonny
Wow information overload. I need a cup of tea now 😂 looking forward to seeing you complete this rebuild. It was really useful to see the bearings side by side. Great visual tool that👍🏻
Hugely informative video. Thank you.
Very informative. Thanks for sharing. ❤
Very interesting video, thanks!
The V6 Lion was pretty much discontinued by LR by the end of 2020. The new Ingenium straight 6 was introduced in the RR/RRS in 2019 and the Velar in 2020. From early 2021 on, the Discovery 5 was also built with the new straight six as well, so that appears to have pretty much fixed the crankshaft issues :)
The Ingenium 2.0 litre engine also uses clever solutions to help reduce emissions. It uses a variable flow water pump to allow the engine to get up to temperature quicker so it's more efficient with less emissions from startup.
On oil maintenance, the new engines tell you on the cars screen that they have a 21,000 mile service interval. That may reduce based on the type of journey, but nowhere do LR (or their dealers) claim to use much lower intervals. Now personally I think 21k miles on an EU6 engine is nonsense. Arduous conditions don't include short journeys either anymore. For my car I'm going with an oil change every 7000 miles, regardless of what the car is telling me.
In terms of oil dilution, the problems occur when the DPF is not connected directly to the turbo outlet and therefore the exhaust gas temp drops too much when it reaches the DPF. This prevents passive regeneration from working effectively and then to compensate the ECU will inject fuel into the exhaust gases to use it on the DPF to burn off the soot, however, some of this reaches the sump. High bio-content diesel is really bad here as its evaporation temp is higher and it doesn't evaporate like 'normal' diesel which makes the issue worse.
It would be interesting to see how far away the DPF is on the D4 from the engine. If it's still on the chassis, under the middle then that will be the reason for high dilution as the car will be relying on active (fuel injection) regeneration and the dilution is unavoidable. So oil changes will need to be very regular to stop another bearing failure, or turbo failure as well, as this also suffers if the oil quality is poor. The 2.0L Ingeniums in the Disco Sport and Evoque suffer really badly from this.
Very interesting and informative video - thanks. 👍
Watched it late this week as I was at the Great British Land Rover Show yeaterday.
Friickinnn !!! Love it.... you guys keep punching.. so much entertaining pleasure...
What a excellent episode, so interesting 👏👏👏☘️
I love the lectures they are always very informative & entertaining
You two are soooo clever, I always do oil changes on everything at 3 k and filter every other time.
you're absolutely right about oil change intervals, and its nice that you bring up evidence to help explain. I have always tried to explain this to friends of mine who have a new car and think that because the interval is 15000 miles thats what they should do. 5000 miles or twice a year will get you another 100 000 miles of use out of a vehicle over whatever the manufacturer recommends, and putting in a 40 weight oil couldn't hurt either.
A unique DIY couple with excellent technical content and awesome chemistry. I never miss your videos and i do not own LR cars😅. I hope to see someday electrical and CAN bus gremlins you guys tackle on LR.❤ . Regards from a fan in Jakarta, Indonesia.
The Ford powerstroke V6 is now found in Australia in the Ranger and Everest models. Single turbo with a dipstick, 184kw and 600nm. Manufactured in South Africa apparently.
Ford's Struandale Engine Plant in Gqeberha
Really interesting. I think it's also how you get right handcdrive parts like headlights from Lithuania.
Many thanks for this super informative video! It really makes you think!
Always enjoy your videos
Just a small point .
Flow does not give pressure.
Pressure is achieved by restricting flow rate .
In your video are you talking about reducing flow rate or pressure.
I look forward to nexts weeks video.
Little by little we learn the rest of the story. I much enjoyed a video you made a few years back of your travels in the US many years ago. You had stayed in the state of Michigan then travelled wide and far across the US before going back to Germany. I wondered why you had been in the US. I guessed one or both of you had been in the US for educational purpose. Now I know.
Look forwards to my eggs on toast and coffee with LRTIME !
Wow! I thought I could talk😂. I need a lie down now after that. Joking aside, very informative as ever and makes complete sense! Love this channel!
The car manufacturers don't care. Their main concern is keeping the service costs down for their fleet buyers, and thus, extended service intervals will keep them competitive against rival car producers. They have little regard for the secondary owners of their vehicles.
Love your work :)
I had a conn rod thrown on my 1960 2 litre diesel Land Rover Ser. 2, and it punctured the block. A patch brazed in solved the problem, and the engine has done many trouble free miles since. I recommend it to you.
Always change my oil at 6 months intervals, vauxhall vivaro. They recommend service intervals every 2 years. I believe that you will give your engine more life with good service.
Hi Guys, your videos are always interesting to me, but today I found the whole oil/lubrication/change interval section absolutely fascinating. What it shows to me is that LR know they made a lemon engine and and altered interval specs to cover their own backsides, instead of fixing the issues. Appalling business morals.
The oil analysis chap in the US (on CZcams) says change your oil 3 or 4 times up to the first 10k miles! Vera hit the nail on the head... Don't all engines have a control/bypass valve for excessive pressure? I remember shimming the spring on the PRV in my Triumph GT6 Mk2! The Police think any form of theft here (shoplifting!) is a legitimate business. Non PC but it's true. Surely you could make the F150 fit? Even if it meant 1 turbo only - I'm probably talking rubbish I know, but it would make really interesting viewing! Really enjoyed this video.
Thanks. Christian
Hi Christian, please weld it. You know exactly how much pressure / vibration etc.... have to hold this weld. And if You guys do that, it will make all of us happy. God Bless You guys.
Hi, RETRO MAN ,suits you Sir , your videos explain a lot the UK is still making the world go pound . Always fun to watch .👍💅
Another great video, My RRS is due a oil service, 2013 with 63000 miles, I'm going to use 5w40 !
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Hi I wondered where my stolen Range Rover ended up !! If I give you the chassis number maybe you could buy the engine because it had had done less than 18k miles !!!! Love this channel you two make me laugh and fill my brain with information 🤩
Yes, I would prefer your stolen engine for sure. 👍
The 3.0 V6 after being used in the F150, is now used in the Ford Ranger sold in Africa, Australia and Central/South America. I can't wait for the satellite phone calls to Ford Australia to come fix my engine on the Canning Stock Route. However, it will provide lots of spare parts...
And UK / Europe now !
It's in the new model VW Amaroke now 😅😅
What a clown show
At least it has a forged crank now!
Run 5W-40 CK4 spec oil in it, and it'll last longer.
Your best lecture to date Christian. Incredible research to which I'am sure all of us euro 6 guys are grateful. My new to me 244000k was owed by a main dealer at the seaside. I don't think I'll sleep very well tonight.
If it's lastet that long, it's unlikey it will break. At the least the crankshaft. For everything else which might fail at that age, we have a video about. 👌🙋♀️
@@Vera_and_Christian At least you've given me a little hope. I did make sure it had a full comprehensive service history. Good luck with sourcing the new short motor.❤
@@chrishill5166 I am surprised that no one saw our beautiful new engine on the thumbnail picture. We do not wait, we took immediate action of course. 😀👍🙋♀
Did you follow the Polish idea and borrow one from the UK?
Excelent video. We ran a Discovery 3 for five years, and a Discovery 4 for 4. The latter only had 51,000 miles on the clock when I sold it but as your video noted I like many owners always had the crankshaft issue in the back of my mind especially after talking to a fellow commuter on the train whose engine locked up at 45,000 miles three weeks after the LR' warranty expired. We now have a Discovery Sport albeit the fairly rare petrol model which allegedly is more robust than its diesel sibling fingers crossed. When you run out of SDV6 content I am sure that the Ingenium engines will be a potential source of new video content!
Brilliant video very helpful. Seems like the gen 2 may be the one to have? Sucks that they try to drop oil pressure but the fact that they regulate oil pressure off of what is getting to the bearings seems good
Ford North America also specify SAE 5W-40 oil meeting WSS-M2C171-F1 (API CK-4 with additional tests and more anti-wear additives) in the F-150 with the 3.0L Power Stroke if the vehicle is being used in arduous conditions or if biodiesel concentrations above 5% or B5 (the UK is B7). They also specify below -30°C (-22°F), SAE 0W-40 to the same specification must be used.
Watching this today has reminded me to go out in the freezing English weather and change the oil on my Toyota Whatcrusier, 2 years and 5000 miles 10W40, size 10 shoes (43 in German)
Early TDV6 such as mine MY08 has log book oil change with dumbass of 15,000km or 6 months (half for arduous). This changed soon after. 6 months is very safe sometimes 7000 km sometimes 10,000km. My average since new is 9,000km using 5-40 now for last years. I hope my main bearings are happy now 300,000km.
P.S. as kids we said;
Found
On
Rubbish
Dump
But I love my TDV6 ❤
Bravi continuate cosi !!!! Hai centrato il problema ...con le nuove normative hanno messo in essere dispositivi che non hanno niente a che fare con la durata del motore ma con l'unico scopo di rientrare nella normativa euro 6....... la pressione la viscosita la durata dell'olio sono fondamentale per la vita di un motore (tutti i motori) facciamoci qualche dmande ................