The Rings of Power: The Great Wave of Cringe
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- The Rings of Power: The Great Wave of Cringe
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The guy was complaining about "they took r jerbs!" when there was literally just one elf on their island and she wanted to leave. It's not only an insult to Tolkien's story it's an insult to basic human intelligence.
you clearly dont understand whats going on. the commoners dont know any of that. pharazon is using xenophobia to gather support for his "the kings men" movement that will later play a role in saurons plans.
I am sure the writers thought they were smart when they wrote that. ''Look at that punch we are doing for woke reasons!'' Yeah....nope.
@@kronusx3484 they were. it triggered the F out of white supremacists!
@@kronusx3484 nah, the writers were all “It made people tune in on South Park! We should try it!”
That's the terrible part about it. There's not even any internal logic
Stupid internal logic is better than none at all
Why would elves want to take their jobs anyways? Elves are magic and live in forests
I thought Disney breaking Star Wars lore was bad, I must applaud you Amazon. You have done far more than broke the lore, you have shattered it beyond repair. Congratulations Amazon, hats off to you.
Logan Brinker That bad?! Jeez. I feel bad for Tolkien fans like yourself. I’m a casual fan of the Jackson films and the Hobbit but just looking at the trailers I knew this was going to be a stinker. And to think Amazon sunk a billion dollars into this. Good job Amazon. There’s so many other great series you could have greenlight with that kind of money.
They haven't broken the lore, they've broken themselves.
I didn't realize it was a COMPETITION, but... who really has SHIT the MOST MONEY in pursuit of trying to turn a known brand into a vehicle for woke politics?
Yes I really feel sorry for these Tolkien fans. I had my heart broken by Disney Star Wars, but I really feel for you guys. This stuff is trash.
Oh, they CRUSHED it. Not in a good way.
The "They took our jobs!" scene is too subtle for me. Couldn't they have given the speaker a red hat?
Make Numenor Great Again
Agree. I didn't realize LOTR was set in a capitalist industrialized society where the low skill workers are worried about their jobs being taken. So dumb!
I'll bet Amazon fired the one person who was brave enough to say, "This is the worst scene in the show and we should delete it!"
@@anniebaker6763 This but unironically
“Therr trrk ourr jrrbs” is a South Park classic. Not sure why it hasn’t been as popular in this context… /s
They are so incapable of separating their obsession with the God Emperor from fiction they can’t help themselves
The scene where strong woman locks four guards in her cell is the most comical thing I've ever seen.
Yeah, they just walk inside like goose
She's a strong character! Just accept women being strong af
Blatant allegory in an adaptation of Tolkien. If it hasn't been clear that this is an intentional vandalism of his work, it certainly should be now.
south park did it better with a little less money.
@@diogovieira5563 just a tiny bit less, only around 735 million dollars or so. 🤭
Hope we see sufficient backlash from fans to damage amazon for this travesty.
They cant undo the magic of Tolkien's written novels. That will continue to inspire a new generation of fans for generations to come.
You should read the 4th section of the Silmarillion. Akallabeth references The King’s Men, a populist anti-elf movement started by Ar-Pharazon. Remember, Ar-Pharazon was based on populist European leaders from the early and mid 20th century. I think giving him Karl Marx’ haircut was a little on the nose, but it seems like they’re basically setting him and his movement up as described in The Silmarillion.
Tolkien’s Numenor story is all based in the folly of populist leaders in Europe and their various sins leading to the 2 world wars. If you’re seeing allegory, you’re taking it out of context of the lore and the time it was written. Tolkien wasn’t making some statement about Hitler, he was just using Hitler (and others) as inspiration for the political situation that led to the destruction of Numenor and Spherical Arda.
I’m actually not even mad, angry, frustrated, or sad. I’m tired. Just tired, at incompetent studios and writers bastardising established lore and and quite frankly, shallow shallow characters and world building depth.
The only good thing to come of this show is yet another reminder that it was a f*cking Miracle that the original peter Jackson lord of the rings films were made at exactly the time it was.
Too
If you're tired you're not an elf😅
Tired is what the darkness wants. I bid you STAND ! Men of the west !
It's not incompetence, it's deliberate. It's called ideological subversion.
@@maptonowhere3362 won't be surprised at all if the woke mob flood the internet today with hashtags with great ideas such as *War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength* and my favorite *Incompetence is Excellence*
I know we're on episode 4, but I'm still stuck on episode 1 where Galadriel jumps into the open ocean with nobody in sight and without a game plan.
while even in Valinor in the days of her youth she was respected by other lords for he wisdom :D :D :D
Better still is Sauron on a raft saving her, which of COURSE he would. Sauron on a raft.....seems legit
She had a plan, as we see, swim back to the shore. A bit far, but nothings to tough for such a strong woman as her.
They better not pull some shit out later in the show like "Saurons evil power swayed her to jump off the boat and start swimming back to land (kinda like the ring did to people) at which point Sauron happens upon them on a raft"
WRITERS: Accident? I think not
In my mind this would be one way to fix that bullshit action. This was the only fix my mind could come up with to not make the story more ridiculous than it is.
Reminds me of star wars when princess leia somehow came to life after getting vacuumed into space
I find it interesting that Amazon (a company that started off as an online book store) can't seem to translate literature into film. With both Wheel of Time and Tolkien, they act like they've never read a book!
They only wanted a hint of the lore and the name. They dont care about any of the deeper lore. Its written by a stuffy and now dead white guy
Yeah...
Rings of power is not great, but wheel of time was the worst butchering I've ever seen on TV.
@@danielvulaj1463 agreed.
The executives at Amazon had pretty much gone mad with power.
Jeff Bezos did to Tolkiens world what Morgoth did to Eru Ilúvatar's creation.
Yes! Its insane how the showrunners dont see this, or maybe they do and the dont care. Jeff Bezos is our days Sauron, he treats his workers like orcs and want to take over the world.
Unfortunately for Bezos, the name “Discord” was already taken, so he went with “Amazon”
@@morendin12319 Yes, but Melkor/Morgoth was worse than Sauron. He was unsatisfied with the beautiful and harmonious creation. So he corrupted, perverted and destroyed it since he had no sense for creating new beautiful things.
You could compare Bezos also to Saruman who took over control in the Shire and turned the once jolly idyll into a profit-orientated, cold-hearted production site.
Bezos really manages to combine the worst of all three great villains in Tolkien's world. Maybe that's what Tolkien warned us against.
@@masamune2984 oof good one.
@@varelion Tolkien hated Disney and put his foot down with that company adapting his work. It is not a leap to imagine he would also feel the same about Amazon.
Numenor should be portrayed as absolutely mighty, with very strong intimidating people living there. They were the apex of Men in Middle-Earth, and as a nation were mightier than even Sauron at his peak. Walking in Numenor should be like walking in Olympus. Yet in this version they seem far weaker than the Gondor we saw in Jackson's LOTR. Such a wasted opportunity.
They needed weak men so that an female elf weighing 110 pounds could overcome 5 of them with no trouble.
Everything on the island reminds me of the early 2000 TV series Rome. Which had the same budget for the entire series as this has for one episode.
@@jesperburns please dont compare HBOs Rome to this crap. That show was actually well written.
I watch this show and i don't see a real, believable world and characters. It all feels fake because you can see the writers efforts. You shouldn't be thinking about writers. You should be thinking about the world and characters. Instead, all i see are the writers on screen forcing me to think a certain thing.
Peter Jackson's LOTR and House of the Dragon feel like a peek into real but fantastic worlds.
This looks like a peek into a local renaissance fair.
Cringe of Power is fast shaping up to be one of the best comedies of the year.
Haha. Cringe of Power. Love it. I stopped watching after fast forwarding the third episode. Just couldn’t handle it anymore.
There is not really anything funny about it.
@@tsogobauggi8721 Oh yes, it's very funny!
I love that the numenor blacksmith talking about elves says “…and don’t age”. Then later in the episode we see celebrimbor aka an old grandpa looking elf.
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I'll never forgive Amazon for butchering LoTR lore.
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You can just pretend it doesn't exist and enjoy the lore as it was
Do not lose hope and rise above this madness...join us and declared Exsurge Tolkien counter rings of power heresy, which we are releasing in parallel....it will brighten ur Hobbit Day!
@@realityshotgun yep. That's what I do. Just laugh, shake my head an move on. I tried to watch it and it was meh so I moved on
No they didn't....this is not canon at all they don't own the franchise, they made a stupid woke fan fiction series that shouldn't be taken seriously
"They took our jobs!"
I can't, I just can't anymore. At least I can die laughing at utter stupidity that apparently is worth over a billion dollars.
I just loved the scene where bearded man gave a speech and the crowd started chanting "Socialism! Socialism!"
Only the black people in the royalty characters get the disaster that'll come thanks to this bad people!
I literally watch this show for the enjoyment of watching it all burn now. This season is irredeemable now and I can't imagine how they can save the next 4, if they even get paid, so now I just sit back and enjoy the laugh.
@@donmongoose I love to not watch/hatewatch it though, just listening to Some Guy's analysis
@@dusk6159 I get that, but for one, I do always say things should be watched if you truely want to understand the merits of something.
I think this criticism is largely unwarranted, back in 1929 my grandfather lost his job to an elf. He was later employed in the dwarf mines at a very low wage but that is how he could pay off the debt he had at the hobbit bank. It was a tough time, but it shaped him.
harfoot bank***
Hahahahha😂
Good thing he wasn't working for the harfoots or you would never have been born.
The way he despise Karen Galadriel by calling her "strong woman" instead of her name is hilarious
KarenSueGoGuyGaladriel
@thaz thaz dont go too far
@@eliwoodnguyen1505 Leftist go to far
GUYladriel by Nerdrotic is the best one lol
@thaz thaz asshole and man definitely belong in the same sentence though
"Elf ships on our shores"
There was no "elven ships" there was ONE elf, who got picked up from the water and she's DEFINITELY *NOT* going to work, much less take anyones job.
This
the writers are pro trump
My impression was he tried to stoke their fears about what was possibly going to happen soon, now that this one elf landed on the island and was suffered to stay. I know, still a bad depiction of the politics there and a cheap way to build drama.
I'm still wondering why they didn't straight behead Guyladriel the first time she mouthed off to their queen... The whole show makes zero sense.
Sauron be like, "Do I even need to tempt these people to evil? They're already getting there on their own stupidity!"
Watching the reviews of this show has been far more entertaining than anything I'd get from the show itself.
Couldn't agree more.
Oh yeah, that's exactly how I feel about all of these dumpster fires. Burn baby burn.
I want to like the show but so far I only like Adar, and yea, watching the reviews is better than the show so far anyway
I have stopped watching the show and instead watching it through the reviews which are more entertaining
I loved the scene where bearded man gave a speech, and the crowd applauded and chanted "Socialism! Socialism!"
"They took our jobs" - the island that hasn't seen an elf so that everyone stares and whispers when Guyladriel shows up
By the way, Galadriel is not 2000 years old here, she is more than 4000, as she was born long before the 1st age, then the 1st age was roughly 600 years long and, considering that we already have Miriel, Pharazon, Elendil and Isildur, we are around year 3300 of the 2nd age in the show. ;)
And yet she acts like a petulant teenager all the time
We are at around 1000 in the Second Age. Elendil and os on are there because they needed it for some reasons. Again, they said that they don't have the rights to use all the writings of Tolkien. They added that they shrank 3000 years into a few decades at most. I don't why people are surprised by the lore and don't notice how shit the scenery, the CGI, the sound effects and the lightning are. Are you all retarded?
@thaz thaz Bet Cate Blanchett wants to bitch slap the lot
Given the generation she occupies in the family tree, she’s probably older than that. While it is heavily implied that she is young when the Noldor split, this is relative. She is no longer a child but in something approximating her twenty’s so at least a 1000 years old when Melkor murders her grandfather. Yet it’s also possible she’s even older than that.
So it’s not unlikely that she is at least 2000 years old at the end of the First Age. Nearly 6000 at the end of the Second Age and nearly 10,000 when she returns to Valinor. She’s older by far than either Elrond or Gil Galad and honestly she’s older than Celebrimbor, who Tolkien noted had a crush on her when he was young. A crush that never really subsided but she was married before he was past his minority.
Blacksmith: "...elf workers who don't age..."
Celebrimbor: "Am I a joke to you?"
Celebrimbor out here looking like an elderly woman
@@user-pj9ie4bs1z Celebrimbor Is taking tea at the moment after the nap.
I had to laugh when i heard the jobs part. Elves whom suppose to be seen as a rarity and ethereal being with the gift of foresight and wisdom wants to take away Numenorian jobs. Lol
Elves as economic migrants. Wtf!
Not to mention Elves are so few in number, they can’t really compete in GDP. It’s ludicrous
Yep silly
I remember a moment in the Return of the King Cartoon by Rankin/Bass; Frodo envisions a world where Sauron is destroyed, and the orcs, simply travel around, going peacefully about their business, one of them turns to him and smiles and waves. Now this is obviously a vision, and one portrayed more childishly because of the medium, but the sentiment has always stayed with me. And that idea of redemption is inkeeping with Tolkien's vision. HOWEVER. The solution is not to humanize all of the orcs like RoP is doing. It opens up too big of a can of worms. The idea of redemption either needs to be seen through the eyes of one of the good characters, a vision of what they MIGHT become without the influence of evil, like in Rankin/Bass. Or you can make one or two of the orcs do something good, out of character, like helping some prisoners escape, but then that orc needs to die, to show the possibility of good does exist in them, but it's so rare, and so poorly received by the other orcs that turning them would be impossible. But to humanize them, to say "they are misunderstood", creates a huge problem, in that the audience will sympathize with evil. And that should definitely not happen in Tolkien.
"I don't always try to keep a mithril find secret, but when I do, I give some to the people I hope don't find out about it."
This series is empty. And I'm not talking about bad acting, over-CGI photography, generic dialogue, or generic soundtrack. I'm talking about not having that epic aspect, that timeless mythology theme.
They may say: "But there's not enough written material"
And I say: "Yes, there is! They are in the myths and archetypes for the construction of characters, concepts, events".
I thought Sauron would be a (pseudo) Promethean figure generating religious engineering in Middle-earth.
I thought they were going to show Harad and Rhûn inspired (as Tolkien said in 1966) in Africa (Ethiopia + Saracens) and Asia (Middle East, China, Japan, etc)
That Galadriel was going to develop into the Philosopher Queen archetype to ideologically oppose Annatar's ideas.
That Númenor was going to be a discussion about death vs. human nature.
You need to be talented to do that. Butchering a beloved lore and world is way easier.
I thought it would be exactly what it is. Another bullet in the culture war
@@BFG_29 the sad thing is with Tolkien’s vast works you don’t even really need to be good, just somewhat competent who can copy / paste.
What you're describing is far too difficult for these so-called "professionals". It would take too much effort and Amazon isn't looking for effort, not when they're after what they thought would be an easy paycheck. They listened to Twitter thinking those people were the majority, well guess what Amazon those people with the supposed "thousands" of followers were nothing more than bots
You need to understand that this isn't incompetency. It's maliciously "reimaging" art, It's sacrificing years of free thinking to the dogma of what the ruling elite deem "progressive". On the whole its okay for art to have a message or even some propaganda elements inside to spark imagination, the issue is this isn't art.
This is Jeff Bezo's, his bean counters, and yes men setting fire to the legacy of a man long dead.
So refreshing to see someone who can see what is obvious and call it out.
And when it's all this money for "uur they took our jobs! So we in this protest are so bad and we need to repent badly!!"...
@@Olsenator Well they have the entire story written and george rr martin is a producer on the show, so thats why its good. This is just poor fan fiction.
@@Olsenator what stuff in HOD do you find weird?
@@Olsenator House of the Dragon is excellent, well-written, well-acted, well-produced and above all, entertaining.
@@FrancT- They're probably talking about the whole incest stuff. That shouldn't be surprising after GoT though.
"She assassin creed her ass up the white pole"- LMAO. Best quote ever. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Just finished watching Dune. Whilst I'm not a Dune fan, I noticed the quality of acting on display, especially after having watched episodes of the RoP. Really is night and day between the 2.
Dune was amazing
I love Dune - the books and the movie. There were a few differences made but you can definitely tell that the movie was made by a fan of Frank Herbert.
Dune: A pretty faithful adaptation of a science fiction story where they are so afraid of computers that they try to replace them with drugs and eugenics wherever possible.
ROP: A really bad fanfic with the weight of amazon behind it.
Dune is such a great movie. You can tell people didn't try to make any Meta commentery and they just wanted to make a movie about Hebert's work.
"There is a tempest in me!"
All the cringe. There's not enough cringe.
"for I ate fast food."
That line was ridiculous, especially in that moment. F#@$% terrible dialogue in this show. Ear cancer.
Ok, yeah, a tempest ... I would rather watch a trio of tornadoes play with a cow like a tennis ball.
@@Legendary_Detective-Wobbuffet Must have been all that Taco Bell.
@@michaeltalpas obviously you've never shoved Wendy's down your throat at 2am on your way to work. The eye of Jupiter would be scared of that tempest.
I rolled my eyes so hard during that one part with the guy shouting in the square. I'm not even political and I was like, "this is Middle-Earth. Why is this here?"
To show that the Numenoreans are racists. Perhaps it could have been done better by simply showing the Numenorean colonies and the not-so-great relationship (tributes, slavery) to the "lower people" aka natives.
Because the writers are eunuchs and the only way they can fuck with people is through politics.
DAY TOOK HOUR JEEEEERRRBB!
Perhaps it's time to start getting political, before these cultural vandals destroy everything good about the West.
Exactly.
Minute 8:52 I happen to think that Adar looks really cool. He is clearly an elf in the process of corruption; he looks to me more like an Elf than most of the show’s elves.
That’s how they want to portray the elves in this show, a force of corruption and rot instead a force of stability, eternity, and steadfastness
honestly he looks fucking baller and everything he says is tense and immersive
Though the writing for him is shaky the actor is pulling good weight
Aw, guys, how can you not love this show? It's so great! I even grew to like Jar Jar Bi..., uh, Guyladriel.
I can't wait for next Amazon's "adaptation". Probably it's going to be "Hairy Twatter and the Gobbler of Sausage" or smth
But seriously, I see a very easy way to fix the whole show - all they need to do, is add a prerecorded laughter track to every episode, et voila!
Still be disrespectful as all can be, but at least it would be potentially watchable as a comedy
Nah, here is the real easy fix. Pretend it never happened and remake it from scratch with writers who are actual Tolkien fans instead of hacks who want to add 'their stamp' to the show.
Those complaining about fans griping about the race-swapping of characters are missing the point - it's not that the race-swapping is a problem - its an indication that the showrunners don't respect the source material, which shows up on all sorts of other ways. Crappy writing, goofy concepts, weapons-grade cringe, etc etc...
No, no, by the logic of those who race swap or approve of it adding whites to none white stories is wrong as its racist, but rasicm is a 2 way street so race swapping is a problem via the standards of those who do it.
You’ve been tricked by Amazon into thinking that’s happening in any sort of widespread way.
A diverse cast usually indicates that they prioritised that over the story, and gives them an excuse when the show flops.
It certainly is a problem, I don't want black characters supplanting my white mythos.
@@ConernicusRex Regardless of whether that's accurate or not, it doesn't change the mischaracterization of why people are ticked off about the changes, and what they portend.
About horrible locations in ROP:
In Fellowship we see Rivendell for maybe 20 minutes, yet we are still shown:
1. Wide shot of location
2.Frodo's room
3. The balcony
4. Elrond's library
5. Council place
6. Aragorn and Arwen on a bridge
7. Bilbo's room
8. The front yard with paths where the Fellowship leaves
9. The garden with the grave
In Rings of Prime we are FOUR HOURS in and what we see of Eregion, the mightiest elven realm, where the rings will be forged and the war with Sauron will take place?
We see a wide shot and a freakin' room. A room. In FOUR EPISODES.
An entire realm full of cool shit and they chose to show us a room, which isn't even elven in style, just generic.
In a tv show that would be an occasion to explore more in depth all the different locations, peoples, the cultures, to immerse ourselves in the world, with hour upon hours of time, yet we are shown a cgi generic shot from far away and a small room. SAME thing with Khazad-dum. They are always in some small room, even the king's trone is in a random place instead of a grand hall.
That's because they haven't had enough time to build the sets. This is what happens when you try to compress 3000 years in 4 hours - you run out of time for all those little details
(To be fair, I don't think that the meeting between Durin III and Durin IV - which incidentally Tolkien clearly says are taken by the Dwarves to be reincarnations of Durin I, and therefore should not be alive at the same time - happens in the throne room. It's a part of the private apartments of the king)
@@dlevi67 agreed, if they had put out the Hafroots and maybe the southlands, they would have much more time to explore Eregion or even Lindon more.
Regarding Khazad-dum, ok maybe you're right and those are private apartments, but I still feel that the location was not used to its full potential. Don't know why, but it feels small, too small for the greatest of all dwarven realms.
@@dlevi67 but still, in PJ's movies they compressed the book a lot, shortened a lot of dialogue to make it fit in a reasonable screen time, and yet they made sure that the locations were an organic part of the events. For example, in Rivendell, when frodo is meeting all the hobbits, Gandalf and Elrond observe them from above, it is a little detail, but it completely changes the atmosphere (the music stops), and the dialogue gets a more serious and dark tone. With change of perspective there comes a change in mood.
In ROP they could have done a similar thing, for example they move in a special room where Feanor's hammer is kept, in a glass protection, and the dialogue then shifts to a more mythologic tone (they talk about Feanor). Instead the hammer is in the same room, on a random table.
@@boycottamazonlotr7023 Of course it is small. Think of the heating bill, with fuel prices where they are?!?
@@boycottamazonlotr7023 Sorry - I was being sarcastic. It's yet another reason why RoP does not work well: lack of care for the details and an apparent inability to get the mood right, ever.
The time compression in the LoTR movies is nothing, compared to what they are doing in RoP; other than Bilbo's goodbye party and a visit by Gandalf, the book's events happen in the course of 3 years. In RoP, we are witnessing events that are portrayed as simultaneous (the preparation of the forging of the Rings and the end of the reign of Tar-Palantir), whereas there are 1600 years in between.
However, it's interesting how different people will interpret the same thing differently - I wasn't bothered by Feanor's hammer as such: he was Celebrimbor's grandfather, and his grandchild - who probably not only met Feanor, but was trained by him - has the object, now decorated and set on a support, not a working tool anymore. It is a link to a past that isn't as remote as Narsil is to Aragorn, not least because we are talking of Elven perceptions of time vs. Human ones. However, this is where (yet again) they f**k it up: nobody has explained who Celebrimbor or Feanor are to each other; it is just assumed people know "because it's lore", yet they feel free to change aspects of the lore that are at least as significant as the fact that Celebrimbor is Feanor's grandchild.
my biggest issue with the show is a lack of consequences for main characters. I think about the scene where the elf is running with the boy from the orcs and how much more powerful it could have been if the boy was killed by an arrow and the elf has to struggle to get him out of there in desperation and then returns to the buys mother with him in his arms. It would have had an emotional weight to it and created an interesting dynamic to the elf and the mothers relationship. Instead it feels more like late season game of thrones just trying to get to an end point.
That cut from angry Guyladriel to jailed Guyladriel when you said 'and lands her dumb ass in prison' ended me. xD
"The showrunners broke something they didn't need to break". That seems to be a pattern in this show.
"They're taking our jobs" - the Orcs, referring to Rings Of Power writers.
Ridiculous. The Numenorians were the greatest civilization of mankind and they are described as being very akin to elves in height and appearance. They were so mighty that they were able to sail to Middle Earth kick Sauron’s ass and bring him back as a prisoner. Some of them became haughty and filled with anger against the elves and the Vala because of the lies told to them by Sauron. None of this had to do with unemployment issues. Fuck off Amazon
I don't even know how do they plan to run this for 5 seasons.
I didn't write this but after I saw it I knew I had to share it here, in this comment section. "It began with the forging of the great films. Threads were given by Tolkien, immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. Rights were granted to Jackson, great miner and craftsman of the mountain of lore. And nine, nine hours were gifted to the race of Men, who above all else, desire quality. But they were all of them deceived, for another show was made. In the land of Amazon, in the fires of Mount Prime, the Dark Lord Bezos forged in secret a master flop. And into this show he poured his money, his greed and his will to dominate all film. One show to ruin them all."
One show to find them all, one show to bring them all into amazon prime and ruin them.
"The power of the one show, shall bring strong wahmen and racial diversity to all shows. All that oppose Lord Bezos shall be lead to destruction. And so the real diversity shall be forgotten and tarnished for the hubris of mankind. His Disney, Netflix, and Lucasfilm allies shall help him bring about the brainwashing of millions to the power of woke politics. And it would seem all hope is lost....but the last alliance of Star Wars, Lotr, Star Trek, fans and all gamers that oppose the Dark Lord shall bring forth resistance and challenge the tide of the woke."
Better than the rings of power.
Outstanding
Considering how tight-lipped they were about details, "forged in secret" seems about right.
I am just amazed the costume designer got this job. The seamstress work looks like it was done by drunken blind kids. It all looks like someone raided a Halloween custom shop and made do with what they found in the Greco-Roman section.
Don't even get me started on the arms and armor. It's pathetic. A billion dollar pathetic.
just look at the orcs.
Here’s the thing about blaming the peons that work on the show, they often get little actual say in what goes on and less say in the budget they get to work with. Who knows how many better designs the costume designer had that got kicked back by show runners because they wanted something different or because they spent the entire budget on IP and had nothing left to make the actual show with. The costume designer might be the problem but given pretty much everything else is garbage it’s much more likely the show runners and budget distribution that is to blame for the cheap crappy looking costumes.
@@TGuard00014 Perhaps, perhaps not. What matters is the end result. But I agree, ultimately the responsibles are the directors who gave the green signal to this or rejected good advices and better ideas
@@thelegendaryklobb2879 I just know a lot of peons that have worked in the industry (although none that have anything to do with this project or Amazon). Most of them quit because they get tired of having their name attached to a project when they had no say in the final product and were at the mercy of the studio and “creatives”. One guy quit Hollywood to work with the local community college and historical society, he said they listened to and respected him, it was way better working with the college and historians than Hollywood. Plus as long as he stayed within budget they would pretty much give him creative license to do what he wanted. He was able to put together some really cool costumes for pretty cheap because of it.
The part about Tolkien having a functioning brain made me laugh out loud 😂 Too true
I'm so proud of the fans for not accepting this drivel
The writers admired Tolkien's ability to use his imagination and that he MADE MONEY. That's really the only thing they admire.
Envied*
@@Thorngral Yes, thank you. I stand corrected.
The writers are ok. Amazon has money as the priority
Yeah, yeah, the elves want your little pieces of metal. That makes perfect sense. They create things of wonder and beauty, just so they can sell them to blacksmith's and merchant's daughters and dung carriers, just so they can get those beautiful, shiny little pieces of metal the humans call money. I'm sure the elves would definitely do something like that.
The reason why the elves gave so many gifts is because they literally had nothing else to do with them. Literally crafting wonders to take men's breath away on a daily basis, and nothing to do with them. Just because they can. It's not like they have trouble finding food in the wild, or growing vast gardens filled with fabulous fruit.
Unlike men, who need to eat daily to live, elves can survive years without eating. Just fascinating. Or atleast that's what Maedhros's captivity suggests.
@@queenberuthiel5469 truth. Elves didn’t compete with men. There was no reason too.
It's stupid, it takes away from a spiritual theme and also diminishes a race of great humans that were seen by some as gods.
@@theflyingkaramazovbrothers6 Absolutely. The elves were etherial, almost fae like creatures. I'm sure Tolkien took a lot of inspiration from legends of the Fair Folk in creating them. They were a parallel existence, separate from men, but also tied to them. The elves are the Firstborn, because men are the Second. The elves are immortal, and will pass into the uttermost West, while men will live out short, storied lives, and then sleep.
It is worth noting that Tolkien did not view this immortality as a blessing, either. Death was the blessing of men. Elves were almost cursed with immortality, because it meant that sorrows would add up all through their lives. They were offered a place in Valinor as a place of rest, after the wearying lives they had lived.
There's also a sense of duty in the elves. They have a duty to prepare Middle Earth for men, by helping to eliminate the evil of Sauron.
Anyway, I could go on and and on.
Their vision of the Elves comes from popular video games, loosely inspired from generic fantasy, inherited from dungeons and dragons role playing games, remotely inspired from Tolkien. Add a hint of diversity and representation, and here we are!
Thank F*CK we have the Jackson films to see an amazing representation of what Galadriel should be like. Wise, powerful, stoic, yet she is also kind, understanding and sympathetic. She is _nothing_ like this in the show. **slow clap** for Amazon.
This show gets worse and worse!?! keep fighting! All of us are doing our own part, I actually set up a group called Tolkien purists on Facebook, and last week in under five days I went from 200 to 300 members, that’s how much the public is turning, keep it going.
This was the episode that I've completely lost all hope. First, I'm a casual Tolkien fan and am no loremaster, and I know why Numenor didn't like elves. Second, I know the more than one palantiri were brought to Middle-Earth by the nine Numenorian ships. Third, I know Numenor went to scare the shit out of Sauron not to protect the Southlands. Lastly, just an observational question: why does Numenor not have a standing army of superhero like men? Pharazon asks for soldiers and a bunch of schluby dudes timidly raise their hands. What the hell is this show going for, I simply don't know.
You forget: “Dey took 'er jerbs!!”
Not to mention strong woman was able to overpower 5 fully armed guards with bare hands...how the fuck would they fight Sauron's army
Why despair? I just loved the scene where bearded man gave a speech, and the crowd started chanting "Socialism! Socialism!"
@@samgoff5289 one numenorean should be near equal to an elf 5 should be over kill but its strong woman
So much "orange man bad" vibes from this show
Oh my God. That line about taking their jobs was ACTUALLY delivered that poorly... I thought it was a meme/Fan dub....
"Swear to me that you won't tell anyone about the Mithril."
"I swear."
"Good. You can keep a free sample."
Wait. WHAT???
I was at the book store last week and saw someone buy the LotR books with the Amazon covers. I was sad and happy at the same time. He probably bought them cause he likes the show but on the other hand he is now someone who reads the best story ever told. Hopefully he realizes how far away from the lore Amazon is.
They did the same thing with the witcher books.
@@lobo8834 “now a major netflix show”
Kinda hard to not know about and end up watching the lotr trilogy though
@@lobo8834 The new German edition of the books is great! We always have removable stickers. 🙏 Wheel of Time is also great in the new edition, but theres a little sentence at it saying that it's now a show on prime. It's not in the front so.. 🤷♀️ But I've seen the new US edition and there's a non removable sticker.
Fans: Disney Ruined Star Wars!!!
Amazon: Hold my Silmaril…
Celebrimbor is the son of a son of Feanor and Feanor was a contemporary of Galadriel. In other words Galadriel was of an age to be (at least) a grandmother to Celembrimor. However in the show he looks like a creepy uncle to Galadriel. Who the frak cast this disaster?
Feanor is Galadriel's uncle, so Celebrimbor should be her nephew
Have they shown Cirdan yet?
Cebrimbor was a grandson to Feanor
@@celebnorz3noldoli indeed, so he should be considerably younger than Galadriel
@@Dr._Atom Feanor was the son of Finwe. Galadriel was indeed his niece but through a different marriage. So Galadriel was a distant cousin to Feanor’s sons, including Curufin who was the father of Celebrimbor. Gil-Galad was the son of Fingon who was also her cousin. In both cases she was the eldest of both Celebrimbor and Gil-Galad.
The lore is altered so much in Amazon RoP, to the point that the structure and the flow of the story cannot be recognized as what Tolkien wrote and intended. That scene alone where Tar Miriel met with Guyladriel in the palantir room doesn't even happen in the books. Guyladriel never met her and never been to Numenor, only Sauron did as Annatar. Two characters in different timeline. Also the line where Tar Miriel said to Guyladriel that the elf is the reason why she got the vision of Numenor's destruction/downfall is just a made up story created by the Amazon showrunners.
The reason why Numenor got destroyed and sunk under the ocean is, because Annatar ( Sauron in disguised) has poisoned Ar Pharazon's mind ( in the books he was the ruling king not Tar Miriel, after usurping the throne by force marrying his cousin Tar Miriel who was the rightful heir for the throne and Annatar was his advisor at that time). Annatar (Sauron) told him that Numenorean should go and invade the blessed realm of Aman ( Valinor) , which is the home of the Valar, to take immortality and this act alone, has angered the Valar and in return punished Numenorean by sinking the very island that was brought up from the sea by Ulmo (one of the Valar) as a gift to the Edain for their part in the war against Morgoth.
I'm was actually really glad to see that they showed an elf having the eagle eyes they are described to have in the lore, but then I remembered they forgot it when the watchtower elves had no idea about the trenches. the inconsistency is honestly what kills this show
just wait...I am sure that in later episodes, despite being able to be chained or locked behind bars, these same elves will hurl huge rocks, jump down hundreds of feet or swim across an Ocean....oh wait......
@@goobfilmcast4239 lol very true, I don't quite remember Tolkien saying "and the elves could also Michael Phelps their way across 2000 miles of ocean because strong woman powers."
@@pachacutti1012 and punch through ice walls and throw around 4 or 5 Numenorean prison guards like they're children
The only supernatural physical ability the elves had is agility and finesse. I don't remember the never tire, superstrong stuff was written anywhere. Maybe I'm wrong tho
Not to mention the clumsy elves from the watchtower that was in the Tower when our hero left it and was captured, but then also where captives before him? Elves that have been looking over the realm for centuries, soldiers ... but not being able to handel a spear against a worg? Or being able to just skip aside ... if they just would have half of the agility the hero elf have they could have killed the worg really easy. Our hero could kill an orc with a small stick from the tree after flying in the air three meters ...
Aside from the lore being wrong on why numenorians hate the elves, it's extra funny that it took ONE SINGLE elf for this speech. ONE ELF = ELVEN SHIPS ON OUR SHORES! (it wasn't even an elven ship that brought Karen to numenor)
True, but nowadays populist rhetoric is quite the same. Blow up some non existing facts. People don‘t care about the truth.
@@itsflauschig721 yeah yeah there aren't millions of rapefugees ocupying europe or anything
@@itsflauschig721 , The very existence of this show, and the fact that I have to rewrite a comment ten times to keep it from getting a shadowban, suggests that this rhetoric is true. And such rhetoric did not exist in the Middle Ages.
There you go again, thinking instead of just mindlessly consuming content.
@@itsflauschig721 “nowadays populists” references have no role in Tolkien story telling. That is precisely the problem.
That was actually a very fun synopsis of this show! I love the explanations and insights. Subscribed!
Dude, I absolutely LOVE your videos. You tell it how it is, people's feelings be damned. Everytime I watch one of your videos I can't help but be laughing and smiling the entire time. I mean the nicknames ALONE are freaken GOLD. Discount Aragorn, Queen Doritos, Strong Woman, Ive not watched the show but if I do I don't even care what their real names are anymore, I will forever refer to them by these names.....LMAO. I couldn't have done better myself.
People keep asking “Who is this show for?” It’s mind-boggling. We ALL know who this show is for. And it’s not fans, or people who actually enjoy respectful, intelligent fantasy entertainment.
Identity politics muppets who make everything a battlefield and a chance to be outraged
Who is it for though? The coma ward?
@@greasybumpkin1661 Normies and woke zombies are the target.
for ppl without logic in their brains ? :)
@@greasybumpkin1661 the self-righteous zealots on Twitter and Reddit, for sure that's who it's for.
"Skyrim belongs to the Nords!" - Tolkien
Amazon intentionally created a state-of-the-art "Intellectual Torture Device"...look at the mass reactions and how much pain this series has caused.
"they terk r jerbs"
My brother in Eru Illuvatar, there is exactly one elf on Numenor and she wants to leave as soon as possible.
Whenever Galadriel is on screen, it's like watching a tampon advert
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@@etiennedevignolles7538 "I have a Tempest inside me!! 🏄♀️🧘♀️💃🧖♀️🤸♀️
But guys you've got to wait until Season 3 for it to get good. You can't expect it to be good right off the bat like the actual Lord of the Rings.
I hope this is sarcasm
@@michaelmcgee2026 the "But guys" opening gives me /s vibes
@@michaelmcgee2026 yes they're being sarcastic. Though you can never be too careful
@@michaelmcgee2026 It is. I'm grateful that House of the Dragon is coming out right now because it's so good right off the bat. Looking to future developments to salvage a fundamentally broken product is naiveté at its finest.
Die hard TNG fans all seem to say S1 is not only the worst but is so by a long way
Honestly, you have probably the most articulate deconstructions of this show out there. This has been a painful journey to watch for all your reasons cited. Keep up the great work.
Your ROP reviews are the best thing you've done in a while - you've got a lot to contribute to this subject and it's nice to hear.
I agree with you about the in-world fantasy idioms these bad shows like to use. It's often very cheesy. ASOIAF has one I really like: "The others take him/her" or "The others take his eyes." It makes sense, bc we know about the others, they are demon-like, mythical characters that are introduced right from the get-to in the prologue to the first book. And it sounds really cool.
Tolkien often used real-world idioms, when he used them at all, and I think it worked really well. I think it's fine when things that exist/are said in the real world also exist/are said in second-world fantasy stories. I mean, Gandalf even says there is the game of golf in Middle-earth. No need to try so hard. It's definitely not as creative as the writers think.
They were comparing elves to automation. Wait- do they actually imagine robots as boxes full of tiny elves that make canned goods and textiles?
I heard they make damn good cookies.
@@whiteknightcat - The E.L fudge cookies are pretty damn tasty.
You said it, "any fantasy show!" It could be named anything else and be its own thing and be fine, it could even become something good. They are bastardizing and injecting real world politics to create division, to vandalize Tolkien's legacy on the pinball machine with their taint. I agree with those saying it's simply flat out entertaining watching critiques rather then interest in the show itself, and that said critiques make one appreciate correct Tolkien lore to another level.
But I just loved the scene where bearded man gave a speech, and the crowd started chanting "Socialism! Socialism!"
This show has me binging the Jax trilogy again so there is at least one redeeming quality. One ☝🏼
Even if it didn't have the name of LoTR tacked on, it would still have to stand against GoT (or HotD now) and Wheel of Time and literally tons of other shows, which are still better on prettc much all fronts.
Galadriel stuffing 5 guards in jail and climbing the tower had all the drama of the Duke boys escaping from Roscoe's jail.
Tolkien devoted a large portion of his life to developing the mythical world of Middle Earth. He drew inspiration from his real life experiences of fighting in WWI, the close friendships he maintained through his love of literature even the love of his life, his wife Edith inspired the stories of Beren and Luthien and Aragorn and Arwen. During the making of the Lord of the Rings trilogy there were always copies of the books on set to be used as reference for the director and the actors, even to the last day of filming. Peter Jackson and almost everyone in a high level position had read the books, loved them and were very respectful of the canon and lore. The writing and dialogue in TROP is not anywhere near as interesting and at times is as they say, cringeworthy. There will always be an audience for bad television/cinema. Not everyone is able to appreciate a masterpiece. Many prefer a simple story with lots of violence and gratuitous sex and Hollywood is more than happy to oblige. TROP is bad storytelling with bad writing, way too much CGI, and way too little love of the lore. That a couple of 40 something producers would fail to understand the importance of canon and lore versus pc and wokeness doesn't surprise me at all, being offensive while feigning being offended is a characteristic of their generation. I had really hoped they would produce a show that, given the obscene budget, would have approached the quality of the books and the Peter Jackson trilogy. A lifetime to write the stories and a singularly epic success of turning them into cinema. That is why people who CAN appreciate a masterpiece love the books and trilogy and do not love TROP. We are not racists we are lovers of the lore. Have diversity in the casting, I'm fine with that. What I'm not fine with are people who resemble Romans with pointed ears....with Elven warriors wearing slightly modified football helmets....with "Our hearts are bigger than our feet!" hardly quote-worthy....Ugh! I don't believe I can bear 5 more episodes so I'm cutting my losses and skipping the rest. I sincerely hope that someone in the future, who does love Middle Earth, will try again. These are stories that need to be seen as well as heard because they are singularly epic mythology!
I was so confused by the commoner's speech because Galadriel wasn't even trying to get a job, she was trying to leave Numenor! HALBRAND was trying to get a job, then stole from random dudes and beat the crap out of them when they got mad even though they were already walking away.
So the dude making the speech (who Halbrand stole from and beat up) should be mad at Halbrand, not Galadriel. She just wanted to leave the darned island lol
Also elves clearly age in Rings of Power universe so I don't know what the commoner is on about when he says elven workers that don't age and don't tire. They do tire as well, as Galadriel's lady follower fell over in the snow and couldn't get up again in ep 1.
Edited to clarify what I mean as some seem to have misunderstood my original meaning :)
Elves don't age after reaching adulthood.
@@mr.dragoncrypto4138 Tell that to Celebrimbor. The guy has more wrinkles than a Turkey's face.
It is true that once they reach adulthood the elves stop aging and retain perfect physical condition...that includes the signs of aging like wrinkles and marked expression lines. However Celebrimbor exhibits this, so due to a bad casting choice one could infer that in ROP Elves can, in fact, age but not die.
@@mr.dragoncrypto4138 yes of course they don't age in the books, but they have a visibly old man acting as Celebrimbor in RoP which means that in RoP universe elves definitely age.
They do age, as we could see with Círdan, he was looking old and had a beard, but he was the oldest elf currently in Middle Earth
@@garreonlefay6703 Are the books based on the show or vice-versa? RoP is an expensive, knockoff, horrible show based off internationally beloved books. The only thing I need to infer is that money can't replace talent, and movie executives don't understand we want the story we love, a true cinematic retelling of our favorite books. Star Wars is a perfect example of shitty writing, bad direction, executive meddling, character murder, and a bloated budget.
what i understand from this show is they expect the viewers to shut off their brains while watching the show and that sadly seems to work for most of the people who praise the show
Yes, that's what I do except when I actually wince because the writing is SO BAD. It's like a 12 year old on a sugar high wrote this. Things happen because.
But I just loved the scene where bearded man gave a speech, and the crowd started chanting "Socialism! Socialism!"
Bless you JSG for these , it must break you in some way to watch this, so bless you!
Rings of Power just altered my perspective about Morgoth. Now I just want him and Sauron to win and wipe off any living beings in this version of Middle Earth, especially the toxic Harfoots.
By Gimli's beard Amazon is sure doing a good job making me appreciate Peter Jackson's work and the old animated films more and more
I really want to give this show a chance but even as a generic fantasy it is failing me. This Galadriel is just so abrasive.
a bee a bee a bee-otch !!
This is so relatable! I really went into it with an open mind but the show is just not so good. I give it a 5/10 and even that is quite generous tbh.
@@Johan-oe7eh It deserves a 0/10.
sure, pal. thats why youre following a notorious bigot who has been bashing this series since the first trailer dropped
There are orcs who have more wisdom than this Galadriel.
Next on The Rings of Power: Ar Pharazon puts forth an infrastructure bill outlining plans to build a wall around Númenor; and he's gonna make the Elves build it!!
By the way, has anyone figured out why those guys with the moose antlers were even there in episode 1?
Could have made me feel more immersed if they had a purpose but I honestly forgot about them
More or less I'd say was filler
Instead of saying "Inspired By" or "Based On" at the very beginning, it should just say "Rings of Power: A Lord of the Rings Fan-fiction"
....complete with Mary Sue (or two, or three...)
Please don't call this fan fiction. That implies it was written by fans.
Oh my god... THEY TOOK MY JOB
Wow, your video is really well written. Subbed!
Listening to you shows me that the writers and showrunners of the show have only heard about Lord of the rings but haven't bothered reading the books or probably even watching the movies one once. Good video
I like how JSG modestly says "I'm no Tolkien expert" while I recall his Elvish quotes have been nearly perfect on many occasions :)
He did say in older videos that he read the books every year for 20 years.
I mean, if that doesn't make you a Tolkien specialist, nothing does.
You must have great love for a piece of literature, to read them for such a long time.
@@ImaginaryCyborg yet the writers read them probably yesterday ans feel entitled to change it to adapt to modern times aka "strong wahmen and black people exist"
So glad there's so much backlash.
@@ImaginaryCyborg Its such a wonderful contrast with his humility and love of the material vs the showrunners, writers, and actors who approach the thing with open contempt and arrogance
@@ImaginaryCyborg many people do that, read the book once a year over many years and decades. The writers on the Jax trilogy were like that and they knew it so well they were able to deconstruct and reorganize the narrative for cinema, which is no small task.
When Galadriel held up that dagger and claimed her place as the Kwisatz Haderach I was completely blown away!
long live the fighters...
@@darkhighwayman1757 They should spice it up!
My favorite moment was when she hung up the phone, walked out of the booth, and started to fly.
@@robertbryant8243 She is starting to believe that she is the one.
@@bernhardtsen74 Drugs might actually improve the dialogue!
The friction between him and his friends is for a purpose. To make the reunion of the friends in battle against the orcs seem harder won.
Love your channel dude. awesome video
Galadrial is nearly 3500 years old in this show, so the discount Aragorn schooling her scene is all the more bad lmao
4000 plus
I'm going down to Arda
Gonna have myself a time
Friendly faces everywhere
Humble folks without temptation
I'm going down to Arda
Gonna leave my woes behind
Ample parking day or night
People spouting "Howdy neighbor!"
Heading on up to Arda
Gonna see if I can't unwind
Mmn-mmn-mmnmnn-mnnmnn
Mmn-mmn-mmn mm-mm-mmnmnn!
So come on down to Arda
And meet some friends of mine
You dissected this with the precision of a surgeon, great job Dr.!
Amazon bought the rights of the annexes, not the Silmarillion, not LOTR, not the hobbit... It's the equivalent as if Netflix just bought the Bestiary for The Witcher. So they bought the rights of almost nothing, to make a show about nothing, with almost nothing in it. It's like a blackhole (or a big cesspool full of shit).
An obvious contradiction would be Galadriel's cell door opening outwards when they were letting her out to escort her off the island, and then suddenly seconds later inverting to now opening inwards in order to allow the "cool" Galadriel single motion shoving the four guards inside the cell.
I think there are actually five guards, but one is off screen or hidden almost all the time, or the editing is garbage.
The Palantiri cannot in any description, show the future. The are essentially looking glasses that allow users to communicate over vast distances. There is a passage in ROTK that suggests they can see the past in some way, as Gandalf wished to "look across the wide passages of sea and time, to view Tirion and perceive the unimaginable mind of Feanor while the Two Trees were in flower"
And only powerful beings like Gandalf and Galadriel could really do that, majority of the time it was just a seeing stone.
Im sure they can be used to see the future as sauron uses visions of a possible future to demoralise Deanathor before the siege on gondor?
@@iguran6035
You are correct, to my knowledge.
@@iguran6035 I always thought that was the result of Sauron obscuring Denethor's vision through the stone, so that all he could see would lead him to believe Sauron's victory was inevitable. A "true but not the whole truth" kinda situation.
@@wavetactics13 I think its meant to be both and neither, using Denathors fears to show a potential future which is not set in stone but also not telling a falsehood but the most likely outcome from a pessimistic perspective?
Regardless the fact we can speculate like this and it adds to the world of middle earth, rather than takes away shows just how great an author Tolkin was and how much rings of prime pale in comparison.
They could have done Numenor so much better. Like making the inhabitants openly interested and accepting, but having an intense, hungry desire for the elf's lifespan. Alluding to it. You could have gotten some creepy 'Get Out' vibes.
A hatred just beneath the surface is for more sinister than one out in the open.
It's not possible for me to hear "They took our jobs" and not think of South Park.
"The wave crashes upon her with the full weight of the cringe of this show..."
Now THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is how you simile.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought most of the ageless, graceful “elves” in this series could seriously use some Botox, filler, maybe some other tweaks. 😂 I don’t know how you work elven decorative flourishes into an RV or a golf cart, but I assume we’re going to find out.
Put Celebrimbor first in the list
@@garreonlefay6703 Celebilbo?
Another gem of a review! Great insight.
After EP 4, RoP feels like 50 people on a Island fear for their jobs while 50 people in the South hide from 50 Orcs and 30 "Not Hobbits" go for a walk well invested 1.000.000.000 Dollar 🤣 and 5 hours screen time 😴
You cant have nomad farmers because whats to stop your crops being stolen while you are off? A bosun on a ship would never let five good men go because one of them screwed up. You have to work hard to get sailors. This shows me it was written by people who lead priviledged lives without ever havinbg had a normal real person job. Cheers m8
or eaten by wild animals not mention you have to take care of plants you are growing disease can wipe crops if not stop got make sure they are waterd
Even in brutal ages you KIDNAP random people to be sailors and then beat people when they don't work hard enough. Lol.
Most nomadic cultures did have a rudimentary agriculture where they would kill off unwanted plants and help the good plants. Then migrate around based on what was in season.
They wouldn't just wander aimlessly, but instead return to places because the strawberries were ripening.
Not all those who wander are lost.