The Holzel Slot and Other Locations
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- čas přidán 26. 11. 2023
- A look at the Holzel Slot where Andrew Irvine was thought to be on Mount Everest, how nothing was there, and then the two locations Mark Synnott reportedly searched.
Also takes a look at the large number of secrets in our society and how it applies to the so-call mystery of Mallory and Irvine.
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Your videos are among the most fascinating on CZcams to me. Thanks for all the hard work
You have by far the best, most detailed info on the search for Irvine, various routes on the mountain, and local geography of any resource on the web. I truly value your incredible expertise and hope you continue with these videos because you really provide an amazing resource. I will say that if Mark found anything there is no way he would be keeping it a secret. Even if the Chinese barred access to the body, his claim alone would make him world famous and put extreme pressure on Beijing to come clean. There is simply no reason he would not come forward to HOPE the Chinese would let him investigate forward. He’s a smart guy. Too smart for what you are implying.
I did a search in 2018. It was agreed that if we found something, we would keep it secret until we could get a proper team to do the recovery. It is the smart thing to do. Most likely Synnott would have done the same. The team they had in 2019 could not do the recovery.
In any case, Synnott is keeping his photos of that region a secret. He is keeping what he found in that region a secret. He didn't even have the common decency to call me up and say, "Hey, remember we talked about a year ago about that spot you think Irvine was in. Well, I went over there and it was just a pile of rocks. Sorry."
So, I think you might rethink your analysis a little. He is keeping something secret. Why would he keep a pile of rocks secret?
The only plausible reason I can see for him to keep it secret is if they don't want anyone else to get back there first before they can organize another expedition to the body
The Chinese obviously made them a offer they could not refuse. @@michaeltracy2356
It is hard to sort thru all the conflicting nonsense from all these different mountaineers because they wil say and do anything for book or lecture tour. Micheal does a nice job for us.
I hadn't realized that a video was recorded at the time Mallory's body was discovered and "Examined." I can't believe I missed that detail.
Thank you again, Michael; you are relentless.
Excellent video Michael. Of all the people that debate the whole Mallory / Irvine story, you have consistantly given the mor eprobably theories. I would love to see exactly where you think Irvine is
I get so much out of reading the comments on this channel. Unlike most others, where the comments negatively excite me and I feel like I lost brain cells. I think most of us who watch a lot of you tube know what I am trying to say. It is rare to find a channel with both quality videos and useful comments. Good job, commenters!
Great details and images regarding the Mallory and Irvine mystery. Was also very interesting to see the green boots cave located marked.
I cover that cave in detail: czcams.com/video/GJBJYtJfspM/video.html
Thank you for the videos. Much respect for your work.
I really enjoy your content Michael, don't know why it took so long for me to subscribe but very glad to be here!
Another fantastic video, thanks again for your work and keep going!
Excellent posts. Thank you
Whatever happened to George mallory happened to Irvine. As far as the rope jerk injury goes anyways. Irvine isn't going to be moving from where he ends up.
I think Irvine was the cause of the accident by lack of oxygen and collapsing or slipping.
The reason why i think it was irvine is because mallory was found in a position where it looks as if he was still able to resist a slide. He was fighting til the end.
That is, if you are sliding down the face of a mountain, you would preferably be sliding down feet first on ur belly so you can potentially stop urself.
I believe irvine had no chance of arresting his fall once it started, he was probably falling back, or even head first. it was solely on mallory and the strength of the rope. It also adds to it being irvine because he didn’t have as much experience as the others within the climbing party.
Sadly, I dont think we could ever know now because of the 1999 expedition.
Gone are the times of people admitting they messed up and are not perfect. Instead they double down.
… as a German Biologist -
I look into the biological aspects
Sandy was in BAD shape -
as far as I read…
In my view -
Mallory tried a short cut
to get FAST back to the tent -
which is not far away from the fall site…
Mallory may have in haste
abseiled Irvine to go get down FAST
Does the broken Rope point downwards????
Then Irvine may have fallen down entirely
and never be found…
The fast decline of health
is my most important aspect
We are All blind to our actual health
and over estimate our abilities…
Drunk and deluded
unless they had completely ran out of oxygen, irvine was the man to fix it. he was in, all or nothing.
@Advisorbuggy
... as a German Biologist - ...
Irvine was horribly SICK!
He failed.
Mallory let him down
Abseil
Mallory slipped,
the Seil broke -
Irvine gone
haunts me
Night mare
@@raginald7mars408 What makes you say Irvine was in bad shape? - Michael's other videos oppose this. If Irvine was in bad shape, Odell would have gone with Mallory, it's as simple as that.
I don't think it's been confirmed whether the rope appeared snapped or cut, however, the up to 150 mph winds up there, would flay the rope about, & shred it anyway.
Obviously something tragic happened on the way back, both probably very tired/exhausted, & easy to make errors. In another far more recent expedition, a climber stated they were all roped up, & only saved due to the climber who fell, fell towards the rocks side of the path, & not over the edge.
@@eric-wb7gj
It is ALL Mind Cinema
We will never KNOW
Thank GOD
to keep this fascinating
irvine WAS very Sick!
learn reading
i did
Excellent job!!
The only thing I give Holzel credit for was having first mover status on a serious attempt to investigate history in the form of an actual search, funding, etc. Overall though he suffered from a true lack of attention to detail, sleuthing and fact-based building, and the ability to see alternatives. massive confirmation bias led him to the Holzel slot and the second step theory - (the fact he said they couldn't make the second step is not entirely relevant but shows he didn't actually do his homework) - to his defense he initially didn't have the internet as a resource, but as time has moved on, his view of Mallory Irvine amounted to little more than thin conjecture based on hearsay.
His personal route to this history is amazing;listen to his Bio and what got him to Everest, kudos and much respect to him
Such a shame, after finding Mallory, there was not a detailed proper search of the body in a proper manner & to document it properly once & for all. A wasted Opportunity 😮
What? They stole his pants. Pretty thorough
Yeah, it hurts.
I'm sure being climbers and not forensic experts, excitement, altitude, and time didn't help, but it's still such a shame. I'm sure you could still go back and re-examine things, but once you've mucked about with the context of an archeological site (which this should have been treated as for a best case scenario) what you can learn is extremely limited and will always be somewhat in question.
Yeah, because they chipped away at his corpse while standing on him with crampons, and even supposedly swung an ice axe through his arm in the process. Dishonorable, despicable behavior, if true.
Stole his underwear, at least one glove, and left his body only partially buried after defiling it then lied about what he they did @@Error_404_Account_Deleted
@@oswaldcobblepot502 they didn't take an Ice axe to a corspe stop speading bs. They filmed the discovery of Mallory you can watch the footage yourself
The Yeti Academy at full force!! Finally some amazing glimpse of the drone footage
Fascinating investigation
A friend, now deceased: her husband was on Admiral Halsey's staff, was in the original OSS, and knew and did a lot of major under-the-radar stuff in WWII. She used to tell me that her husband said: when you say you are not going to tell, you never tell. And he didn't.
The search for Irvine is such a fascinating tale. Searching, doubt, duplicity and deception. It is worthy of a post-truth farce neo-noir action film all of its own.
I think mostly in terms of probability. What are the possible results of Synnott’s little stroll? 1. He found nothing and isn’t telling you he found nothing. 2. He found something but is keeping it a secret until he can go back. 3. He saw something but needs to go back to verify what he thinks he saw. #1 seems least probable (unless he doesn’t like you and is not saying anything out of spite.)
#2 seems unlikely as this was the purpose of the expedition. #3. Add on the drone footage they won’t release and it makes you think.
“A man who tells lies is hiding the truth. A man who tells half lies has forgotten where he put it.”
The problem is what happened in 1999 with them botching the recovery. The solution to that is to find the body in one year using climbers, drones, etc. Unless you are certain there is a body, don't bring a bunch of archeologists and do an Al Capone's vault. Wait until you have something, then bring in a recovery team the following year. Also, get photos of what they will have to work with as they come prepared.
@@michaeltracy2356 That they found Mallory’s body was wonderful. After finding it can only be reasonably described as FUBAR.
@@kencusick6311 It is not clear what the Chinese involvement in the 1999 "find" was. The Chinese clearly found him in 1975 and published the information shortly before 1999. Exactly what Simonson's "business" dealings with China at time were remain unclear.
with all the video from this expedition i cant believe Synnitt went on a stroll without a camera or camera to prove where wewent and if anything was found
@@michaeltracy2356 Whenever money gets in bed with the truth, it steals most of the blankets. In spite of that, you’ve helped reveal the basic truths here. Finding Irvine and laying his spirit to rest with Mallory’s is something that should be done. Even if nothing proving definitively that they made it to the summit is found. It won’t change the fact that they stood where no one before them had stood. They deserve that honor.
Great video
Another great video, I have seen videos where Synnot and Norton have basically said they have not found anything on this part of the mountain, he has mentioned you Micheal also (Norton), Norton stated he thinks Irvine has been carried down by the mountain via avalanche etc, I really hope they are keeping something from us tbh in a way as more evidence or accounts would be amazing, I can think maybe they cannot get a visa or permit to climb this section again for another look or to confirm drone footage after the event.
Всем привет!!!! Очень важный вопрос- если череп пробит при выкапывании тела- то этот парень даже с перебитой ногой мог ползти даже на зубах!!!!! Герой войны.следующее- если он полз, был жив в каком состоянии его колени? Одежда? Вся лицевая часть?! Он умер в динамике! Не заснул! Боролся до конца! И главное Майкл ответе пожалуйста, на видео след от веревки на теле Мэлори - его тянули или он тянул Ирвина!!!!? Никто об этом не говорит, эксперт дал бы оценку! Видео есть но понять сложно., направление потёртостей тела.
Really interesting video Michael, when you show the probable routes that climbers took in the past it shows them climbing below the first and second steps, and yet there is always a discussion regarding whether Mallory and Irvine could have climb them,wouldnt they have climb below the steps also or is it something they could have done but we are not aware of.
As Mallory stated he was going to climb below the steps, it is very likely what he did. czcams.com/video/XdMzmvrIdYc/video.html
@@michaeltracy2356 Seems completely sensible that Mallory would not have taken Irvine below the steps. Irvine was strong and young and fit but did not have anything like Mallorys climbing experience. its obvious to me that they would take the route that looked the least challenging.
Sorry miss worded that I meant he would have taken Irvine on the lower route.
That video of Mallory search
definitely was not released because they knew they messed up the search. But you can’t get that mad it them because you got to remember that they are doing an entire workout above the death zone. They would be more clumsy.
Great video as always😊
Thanks. I don't know if I have seen any one get mad about the search. Most people, Conrad Anker included, wish things were done differently and sort of leave it at that.
Where my criticism comes from is the massive amount of misinformation relating to the search -- someone saying they personally searched the pockets when they were not even there that day. Saying his hands were not blackened when photos show they were. "Moving" the body on the map to it fits whatever theory they are saying at the time. And, of course, the oxygen bottle.
@@michaeltracy2356 I don’t know every detail about the search and thanks for telling more details. There is so many conflicting statements because the climbers are probably exhausted and only have half of their brains working at this altitude. So of course theirs going to be contradictions of what was real and not and what they saw during the search. As a hiker, this is something I can relate to. Everyone wishes things were done differently, but I see it as almost inevitable that they would screw up.
The damage is done and it’s a shame because now we have to spend time getting headaches to figure out what most likely happened. We will probably never know the true extent of that climb, but you are here to give us a good idea and I and more greatly appreciate your work.
Ohh I love mysteries.
"Nothing would be what it is because everything would be what it isn't. And contrariwise, what it is, it wouldn't be, and what it wouldn't be, it would. You see (?)"
My theory for Irvine is that he either got lost and sat down somewhere after Mallory fell or he fell with him and landed further down, I hope we find him someday, but its hard to tell if we ever will.
michael hi
thanks again for interesting video.
was wondering in respect of Smythe letter from 1933 claiming to spot George Mallory using telescope from the base camp.
how sure can we be he spotted Mallory but not Irvine. as far as i know he did not describe the position of the body & if laying head down or with feet towards the summit.
smyth only saying just that it was very tiny spot, but he was sure to identify a body.
There are issues with the Smythe letter and it is probably not accurate. Smythe wrote about where he thought Mallory and Irvine might have fallen to in his book Camp 6. He says, they likely ended up on the snow ledge where I have places the Final Resting Place.
As he wrote this book after he returned, it is very unlikely he saw Mallory and/or Irvine through a telescope somewhere else. If he had, he likely would have just left this out.
The letter was never delivered and it is not clear when he wrote it nor why he never sent it.
It also is very unlikely that he could see a body from basecamp. If he did think he saw a body, the location described is so vague that it could mean anywhere on in the Mallory Basin.
That there is quality information/evidence relevant to this topic that is not allowed into the public square is galling. That that might be because the people who produced it have mishandled or damaged it is doubly galling. There are bigger problems in the world, but this is something that interests many people and speaks to a facet of history that is clearly important to individuals and even governments. If this was an issue that could have been resolved but won't be because of incompetence and/or greed, then, well, dang.
Having said that, I do get Michael's suggestion that this may all be being withheld until the 100th anniversary rather than simply hidden to cover something up. Here's hoping.
I don't even think it was being held just for the 100th. When I searched in 2018, it was all agreed that it could be kept secret until we could return with a team that could do the recovery. That is, if we found Irvine in 2018, we would go back with a large team in 2019 and do the recovery get Nat Geo or someone to put on a show about it. We didn't find anything in 2018 because of the snow.
However, if I went back in 2019, and found something, I would have kept it secret until I could return with a team. But in 2020, the mountain was closed. Same for last couple years -- closed to foreigners. So, 2024 is the first year someone could go back.
I wouldn't really have a problem with all this if they weren't so determined to push a "they didn't make it" theory. With the "Norton secretly told Mallory to take the ridge route and Mallory changed his mind at the last minute and took it" to the "they couldn't fall from the ice axe" to "their ice axe weighed 5 pounds each" to "there was a massive storm"... It just gets ridiculous.
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Is it certain that the rope found with Mallory was broken? I remember reading somewhere that Mallory may just have been carrying an over the shoulder coil which became unravelled when he fell, and that the end had been cut, as opposed to snapped under load.
@BB-xx3dv I also read somewhere that this was inconclusive.
@BB-xx3dv agreed. Frustrating.
I think drove visualization is the key to ever discovering Irvine the views are amazing, if he is still there
Yeah, drones have been used. They won't release the photos. The key to discovering Irvine is wanting to discover Irvine rather than promote Chinese interests. It is not technology that is preventing it. It is politics.
Hi Michael, I love your videos! I wish you had also kept a permanent "maker" on the map- showing where you think Irvine is- that would let amateurs- lol me better see the scene- As always. I am waiting for your next video!
Your thinking is my thinking. I too wished there was a marker for him to compare
Michael, you have been up along the ridge. Is it possible Andy slipped down the Kangshung Face, and quick-thinking Mallory jumped down the opposit face hoping to halt the fall with the rope across the ridge line? Seems a long shot, but with Andy zipping down the face, what else could Mallory try to do?
That is very unlikely. The ice axe is too far from the crest.
Do you mean secrets like CZcamsrs paying for comments and going so far as to answer them? Thats the best kept secret everyone knows.
Don't know if that is so much a secret. But people fall for it all the time.
the rope was cut with mallory, right? this should suggest the rest of the rope is with irvine being dragged behind him as he either fell or walked to his death.
No, there is no reason to believe the rope was cut as opposed to being broken.
I still believe irvin, after malory's fall, continued back to camp but not being able to see over shot the camp and continued along the North face and until death
That is right along the modern route. I didn't see Irvine while I was there, nor have the hundreds of other people who travel that route every year. Nice theory, but not remotely realistic.
I've only recently started to acquaint myself with the Mallory search, and personally I think your videos are like taking a breath of clear air when trapped in the stuffy atmosphere of innuendo and conjecture.
So, you smell a rat? The reticence to release the drone footage and the conflicting accounts of the documentary and Synnott's book of the search area are good enough for me to be in agreement. But, can we do? I guess wait until another team goes up there and releases the news that Irving was found defacto.
What were you implying in the Mallory section of the video, if I might ask? Were you implying that there has been some sort of cover up with regards to the conclusions drawn from the body search? I happen to remember you writing in a previous response that the Mallory examination was conducted so poorly that they could have missed key details that could have proved his summit had been accomplished? Or are you implying that there's been some sort of intentional cover up of the possibility of Mallory's summit?
I'm reminded of the phrase; "Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity". I think the discovery of Mallory was truly shocking to the team. And, whilst the documented accounts of the discovery and search of Mallory's corpse are all inconsistent, it's quite clear that the expedition really hadn't much hope of actually finding him. This is also evidenced by the disgraceful hack-kneed search that was carried out of his persons.
Forgive me if my English isn't perfect.
Many thanks.
Michael, you say you spoke at length with Synnott. Did you ask him why he took the more difficult way down? Was it to search the spot you identified for Irvine's body? How does the lack of a body impact your thoughts on that location for Irvine? You mention Synnott had a camera. Did you ask him if he took any photos during his descent? Did you ask him why he did not describe his alternate descent and search in his book?
I spoke with him prior to his going when he was looking for photos of that region. Now, they pretend I don't exist. Just the way they are. I put out my photos and analysis for everyone to see and comment on in hopes of actually finding Irvine. They keep everything secret and only want Irvine found if they are the ones that do it.
He asks where the FRP is before going. He climbs down to the FRP, he has a camera, no photos have been released, he wrote nothing of this detour, and he now won't respond. Suspicious, and people still wonder why you keep digging?
He did write of the detour -- it was just done in such a way that you assume he is going back to the fixed ropes and only someone extremely familiar with the terrain in that area would be able follow the technical details he wrote about. Probably 5 people reading that book would know what he actually did. But if you watch this video and then go back and re-read it, you will see he wrote about it. Hence why I describe the book as a post-truth masterpiece.
Thanks Michael! Always appreciate your work
Why do most commentators assume that Irvine came to rest above Mallory? If they both fell. Mallory the more experienced mountaineer would know better how to arrest his descent (as suggested by his final posture). Is there any evidence or reason to suppose that Irvine did not simply keep falling?
Yes, the possible sighting of a body above Mallory. Nor would it make much difference, as the bottom of the glacier is fairly easy to search with drones. Someone from 1924 team also searched the bottom of the glacier and didn't find anything. And while the extent of the search in 1924 was rather limited, someone did go to the bottom and look. There are also the numerous other bodies that fall from the same area as the ice axe and they come to rest in the Mallory basin.
We know why the footage wasn't released. God forbid they upset the chinese also, when they realize on either route to the top, a European got there first.
European didn't get there from the south side first.
@@marklagan8827 Technically, one could establish a new route even now. Doesn't change the fact that Europeans got there first. I know it's difficult, but without us you wouldn't even be using the Internet to bitch about us and amusingly claim the superiority of your race whilst no doubt residing in a European country.
Have you tried to contact Thom Pollard and if so, what did he reply? He was the one taking photos in 1999, wasnt he?
I have contacted him. He banned me from his channel. He was one of many people taking photos in 1999. I think 5 of his have been released of the 1296 he reported taking. But, you can listen to his theory that there was a conspiracy to keep his photos from being published: czcams.com/video/NRbhT4eQXxY/video.html
Yeah, some things we'll never know. From the fiend who killed the Black Dalhia, what happened to MH 370 and how much Tom Pollard and his pals botched their so-called archeological expedition.
Anyway, nice analysis as usual. I love the no nonsense mixed with dark humor.
George Hodel killed the Black Dalia.
I know it's not easy terrain but shouldn't the entire fall line below Mallory be searched, or at least where a body may have come to rest?
To my knowledge no such search has focused on this area and if it weren't for a couple of dubious accounts of an english dead at 8400m, would be the first place I'd start looking. Irvine may not have fallen all the way to the glacier at the foot of the main rongbuk glacier. He may be on the other side of the north col. No one ever goes there.
Yes, a drone would do that search in a short amount of time, and it appears that both teams did exactly that with their drones in 2019 when there was extremely low snow. However, there is a big difference between "can't such a search be done?" and "will they share their results?"
@@michaeltracy2356 Cheers Michael
This whole subject is getting more and more frustrating!
Yah, the hole in GM's forehead.. I would not either be surprised if they gave it to him. Another reason to not release photos since a forensic examiner would be able to determine this. And it seems Thom Pollard tends to make statements and then retreat when questioned, or then toss up some word salad.
Opinion stated, I also have a few perhaps macabre questions. OK, so I did previously follow a link to look at Jake Norton's photos of GM's body (some of which I have already seen). And .. OK.. there are a couple of holes in his cheeks (the posterior ones). What is this about? Decay at altitude and the body being disturbed and it's hollow in there but them disturbing it made it cave in in parts, or was it possibly birds eating at the body? And was his backside exposed before they took his pants? Is that what we are looking at, his bare derriere? Has anyone else questioned this? I have to imagine so, and maybe it gets discussed at the Yeti Academy. I do read comments on this channel and so far I have not seen anyone bring it up. Thank you!!
This gets discussed a lot. However, I remain skeptical of the usefulness of analyzing these photos because we don't have all the photos. That is, we will only see what the 1999 team wants us to see. Did Mallory have a dislocated shoulder? Hemmleb says yes, but without photos to show the exact condition, there is little that can be said. Were there extensive injuries to the front of his body? We don't know. Were there broken ribs? Again, Hemmleb says yes, but does not say how many nor how broken.
Anker reported that the contents of his stomach were visible. Could this tell us something about the time of death? Who knows, because we don't know exactly what was seen. However, most likely, birds picked away at his body and that accounts for the condition when he was found -- with the wind destroying most of the clothing on his back and the "searchers" destroying the clothing on the front.
The biggest piece that is missing is the pouch around Mallory's neck. This was cut open by Jake Norton with a pocket knife and then never seen again.
Certainly, if a medical examiner were given access to all the photos, it could shed some light on what happened during the fall. However, a medical examiner being shown only what someone wants her to see will likely come to the conclusion they want her to come to. Hence, the post-truth world.
OK, Thank you. @@michaeltracy2356
The thing about that injury hypothesis, is that however horrifying and iconoclastic that it may be, it is entirely feasible. I've read a few things that suggest the expedition leaders were a bit edgy about Mallory's state of mind.
Tom is one of the rudest men i have ever conversed with on facebook , mind you so are you mike lol must be the subject matter , still enjoy your work though
lol it does seem to be a group of unnecessarily ornery folks trying to solve this one
Its not that people cant keep secrets, its that people are very bad at keeping conspiracies quiet. This is usually because those not directly related to the conspiracy get dragged into it. Also murders is a very bad example of keeping secrets because the cost of releasing the secret is so high and, generally, only one person knows the truth. The general principle does apply though, people do keep things secret all the time.
It is not clear how you would know this. Presumably, the "conspiracies" that are kept secret --- well, you don't know about them. Thus, saying "There are no secret conspiracies because I don't know of them."
In addition, frequently the group that makes up the "conspiracy" is not secret. Perhaps watch the movie "Conspiracy" -- it is about the Wannsee conference. They all know who is involved -- it's a conference where they all meet each other. But they are hiding exactly what they are doing. This certainly was not the case of "only one person knows the truth." Watch the move. While it is "fictionalized", it is based on the notes from the conference and it will give you a better idea of how real world conspiracies operate.
Similar to the conspiracy of the KKK which I discuss in another comment. There is no question the KKK was a massive conspiracy that infiltrated a large section of the US government. And while it was known that the KKK existed, exactly what it was up to and who exactly was were the ones killing people remained a secret -- and still does to this day. Again, not remotely a concept of "only one person knows the truth."
In modern times, you have the "Fat Leonard" conspiracy. And while it is well known, many of the people involved go uncaught and the full extent of the conspiracy will never be known. And while we do not know the truth of the Fat Leonard scandal (hint: it was China), it is very unlikely that it was "only one person knows the truth."
And recently in Italy, 230 people were just convicted under the "conspiracy theory" that they were running the Mafia. So, again, it is not "only one person knows the truth." While every person might not know every detail of the entire operation, that is the same with any legitimate enterprise. But they all know the general operations of what they are doing.
Drug cartels are massive and take extensive measures to enforce the Omertà. No reason to kill people for talking if they really don't know anything because "only one person knows the truth." Instead, conspiracies use "enforcers" to make sure people remain silent -- because they know what is happening.
So, you have an interesting theory that conspiracies typically are only known about fully by one person, but you don't have any historical examples of this. On the other hand, massive historical conspiracies typically involved numerous people and require nothing more than those not involved to just look the other way. People engaged in conspiracies take elaborate measure to ensure that the numerous members of the organization do not talk.
@@michaeltracy2356 "one person knows the truth" was his "because consequences" in the murder example. I think his point while aptly re-butted by you holds weight. Doing a linear normalized population of murders and backing out the chances one knows one may not hold weight due to the higher consequence of revelation, I think that was his point. For argumentative purposes it was a fun exercise and nice touch to your video though. Esp. how you reversed the presumption at the end to imply the poster said his theory was that conspiracies are only known by one person, when in fact what he said was murders are likely known by one person trying to hide that fact. I'm sure you do well in the courtroom., when able. It's important you continue, if for no other reason your tenacity and edgy answers clearly fatigued by internet stupidity make for good reading.
Damn, this was a little depressing. Shouldn't we all have a right to know ? And why keep secrets revolving around a 1925 summit ?! To what end ? Does is really matter if the 1925 expedition succeeded or didn't ?! People are ridiculously selfish and dishonest. I do enjoy the videos Michael. It gives me more to think about now.
I think we're getting into a weird area here.
… as a German Biologist -
I look into the biological aspects
Sandy was in BAD shape -
as far as I read…
In my view -
Mallory tried a short cut
to get FAST back to the tent -
which is not far away from the fall site…
Mallory may have in haste
abseiled Irvine to go get down FAST
Does the broken Rope point downwards????
Then Irvine may have fallen down entirely
and never be found…
The fast decline of health
is my most important aspect
We are All blind to our actual health
and over estimate our abilities…
Drunk and deluded
It is funny that people first come up with a theory and then try to find facts to fit that theory rather than finding facts and then crafting a theory. Your "theory" explains nothing. It is just wishful thinking with no reason to believe it is true. Why don't you start with the facts, and end with the facts. That is, "the ice axe was found at point A, my new theory explains that by XYZ." Starting with "Irvine was in 'bad shape'" does not require any theory to explain it. It is called altitude. No on climbing above 28000 ft is in 'good shape.' You then use a 'fact' that is easy to explain as the motivation for stuff that has nothing to do with it.
In any case, there is no way Mallory got his broken leg falling from the route you describe. So, you need a theory that fits the facts.
The only place that pronounces the word "route" as "r-out" is the people in the U.S.
The rest of the world,including the English and French ,from which it came, is "route" sounding like "root".
The "e"on the end properly gives the word sound (oo) as in "loop" or "food".
Just because a word has "out" in it does not mean it is pronounced that way and the "e" on the end is why.
The rest of the world outnumbers the U.S by a huge margin so that the U.S pronunciation of the word"route" sounds like uneducated ignorant piffle.