Jordan Peterson: The problem with wildly creative & highly neurotic people
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High in neuroticism, and low in conscientiousness here.
Avoid sugar and nicotine, move every day, avoid social networks and news and sleep well.
Related jobs => create your own company, start-up, web development, anything that allows you to explore, analyze, make music, innovate and find new solutions... Anything that allows you to activate your alertness.
Don't expect anything from the system. The system seeks stability, you are there to challenge it. The system is there to create conformity.
1) Build your habits - Really this is the key. ( Track your progress)
2) Start creating - you will only be successful if something interests you. But to be successful, you have to be persistent, so you have to develop your habits.
Personal advice => try to learn to code, gently, it will shape your thinking, your mind to cut a problem in several parts. And you will be able to execute it, step by step. And to try to learn code, or anything else try to learn how to learn.
Remember that your uniqueness is useful in some environments and useless in others. This is true for all personality traits. So what is a problem in one situation is a strength in another. It's a matter of perspective.
I think you have been paying attention to the current world situation. The world needs freshness, renewal, so trust yourself.
Keep faith.
I have to say that I somehow can relate with what you're saying. I don't know whether I'm highly neurotic or not, however I am HSP... anyway, thanks for this summary. Since I started my own journey and build some good habits, I feel way more energetic and very happy (also a good diet helps).
Nicotine is beneficial in 1-2 mg through gum or patch.Add nicotine for high conscientiousness
mad funny you say that about coding i started at the end of my lockdown layoff about a year later i started realising i lookat everything different. I mean just look at my name lol, but seriously i can attest to that coding in particular def helps us cause its actually just based in basic math and majority is logic-based not math.
sorry majority of it is based on logic a little bit in math(unless of course your're a scientist)
nicotine is like the life fuel of the artist lol. never giving up my cigs. id rather die
1:02 I'm very high in openness and neuroticism and extremely low in conscientiousness 😣I'm always feeling lost, searching for meaning and questioning everything, then feeling more lost
What do we do about it?
@@JanLayneCobain Dr Peterson said if we have low conscientiousness, we need to organise and discipline ourselves, schedule and plan ahead. But I'm too lazy to do that
@@kaethebar I relate too close to this
@@kaethebar currently planning and trying to force myself to do things and such. It’s quite hard tho lol :/
@@nanobruv same bruh 😌 the lack of urgency personally makes me so complacent and undisciplined. I really need to force myself to stick to priorities and schedule everything
I'm highly creative , yet held back by things. I'm highly energetic , yet at times so lazy and don't want to do much .
I've lived my life for over 30 years as an adult very similarly as when i was in college, i have evolved mentally tremendously , yet not much financially.
Same here!
Same
Auto save $500 every paycheck into a Roth IRA. Set it up so you never see it. It's deducted from your paycheck before you have an opportunity to spend it. If you start at 20 you'll be a millionaire. If you start at 40 you'll survive retirement.
So sad. Been fighting it all my life. Hasn’t won. So sad.
You might have been called a success if not for the false esteem of a bank account.
Damn this perfectly describes me. I am high in openness, high in neuroticism, and low in conscientiousness.
Me too. Did you find a job for us?
Quite tragic same
I am as well. Some days it feels like we're the Tesla's of the 21st Century.
Literally me too!!!! I'm looking for a job too. Has anyone figured something out?
Its the perfect prerequisite for lazy canary in coal mine. Unite and start..... Tomorrow!
I often feel like playing the victim blaming my personality (low consciousness, high neuroticism, high openness) but i think we can thrive if we boost our consciousness by disciplining ourselves. It might help lower our neuroticism. I think we all have great ideas but just cant execute them due to low consciousness
Agree that's my expirence to
Looks like ADHD
Jordan actually said this in a different vid. Increasing consciousness will likey lower neuroticism 😊
you mean conscientiousness, not consciousness.
@@peaklander1 "The point of life is to make as few spelling errors as possible." - Socrates
I am such a person highly open , highly neurotic
Same
Same bruv, self love and acceptance go a long way.
we should be friends
@@theory02 why not , I have almost zero friends .....it will be great to have some like minded people....
You aren't alone. We all just tend to prefer going it alone. Good luck my friend. You are special.
Damn! How can someone with high Openness and Neuroticism and low Conscientiousness get more stable and find a direction in life?
He went into a video on that :)
@@Kyuubixcel u mean the QnA Session where he recommends a stable sleep-wake-circle and a large breakfast?
@@rokosbasilisk5376 Yup!
@Winchestah I agree with everything you said.
@Winchestah roughly speaking 🙄😂😂
Very interesting point of view on how creatives don't need to hold back from dialogue just because they feel excluded or misunderstood. It can really create a mental and emotional instability at some point.
Well i am like that. I need order and i understand why it's important but i cannot function in it . The feeling is very similar to the feeling you got right before you asked your first crush out - dread mixed with infatuation. The problem is it never stops
An underdog try meditation, it takes a while to get the hang of it but offers so much calm to your life
goddamit you put it in words very well.... that feeling is paralyzing
That's so funny though, I agree.
Im high in openess, agreeableness, and neuroticism. Average contentiousness and low extraversion.
exactly like me except for I have mid agreeableness. What issues do you have mainly with it? For me its hard to pick something and stay disciplined, im so full of ideas and jump between them only to be bored or start feeling depressed and when im finally excited again the same cycle happens again and again. Its fucking hard man, I hope you have found something to cling to, if so it would be nice to hear, if not it might be nice to know you are not alone
@@spiritualbird9156 i am also highly agreeable, highly neurotic, and high in openness. I have the same problem as you. Maybe try to make up habits in your life. Maybe one has to regulate things, and plan more. To keep going even when you are not motivated anymore. And write down every idea you have. I will try those things and hope it helps.
@@spiritualbird9156 I try to never stop moving (organizing the environment) or else I start procrastinating, and then get buried in promises to myself that I never follow through with. So really, i’m pretty bored with mundane things like video games, imagination/thoughts are much more fun to play with. Although doing things is rather a bother because I have mad anxiety. Going to the store and interacting at work is a pain. But I do it.
Are you an infp?
"The abstract territory of conceptual dispute is a substitute for war and death" holy shmokes!
Really sad here. I took the test, and I’m these 3 things. High in openess and neurotic (extremely. 1 in 100 in almost all catagories) and low in consciousness. I make ideas for new books I want to write, but can never get around to making them. I have roughly 15 complex book ideas, but have only been getting more depressed and hopeless. I need help . . .
Could be ADHD
Nibba just put you some music on, shut down all social media, and get to writing. If the blank page is too intimidating then put some notes on the page just to get rid of the empty void. Make a habit of it. Don't talk about it with other people because then it puts pressure on you to perform. If you get twenty pages done and start to think the book suqqs or it just isn't fun to write, abandon the whole thing and try another book. I said twenty pages but maybe go for fifty before you make the call to continue. And don't worry I'm an expert on this, I've written tons of books. And all of them are freaking hard to do and give me a lot of pressure, but very rewarding too because it gets those freakin' ideas OUT of my head... lol!
This comment is so relatable because that was me for the past 11 years since finishing school. I fucked around in so many different jobs/careers and nothing felt right, I had so many ideas of books and side hustles I wanted to write/do which I never got round to because the self-doubts always crushed them before I got anywhere. But in the past 6 months I've managed to turn things around dramatically. I deleted all social media, avoided the news as it stressed me out, and got stuck into self-help books (I usually struggle to read a book a year, but I'm on a roll now - you just have to find the right book to kick off the cycle and start a habit. Try audio books if you're like me). For reading I recommend 'The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck', 'Manifest: 7 Steps to Living Your Best Life' (I was sceptical too but TRUST me on this), 'Feel the Fear and Do It Anyway', and 'Atomic Habits'. Can't hurt to chuck in '12 Rules for Life' as well. Stick to your habits, avoid negative self-talk, focus on building resilience and commitment, and don't give a shit about what anyone else thinks.
High openness, low conscientiousness, high neuroticism. Precise description of ADHD.
What a brilliant explanation 🤯
Omg I am starting feeling less lonely now that I know what' s wrong with me 😭
I'm incredibly high in neurotisism, high in openess, low in consciousness
You just haven't gotten the chip yet.
It's not a bliss. It's a disaster to be who we are...
“Most creative ideas are not only wrong; they’re also deadly.” JP
He is talking about the far left here. Most creative ideas are hardly deadly. Not even close.
Brilliant intellectual, Art wow creativity
I am in the 78th percentile for Neuroticism and the 89th percentile for Withdrawal. There is a lot of me that I am trying to figure out improve on, but I’ve noticed one thing that has significantly helped me is regularly practicing a combat sport. I do Jiu Jitsu and have been doing it for eight months now. Some benefits of that are: increased ability to handle stressful situations, learning to relax under pressure, learning that it’s up to me to change my situation for the better, increased confidence in many areas of life, and generally I find that I’m in a better mood than before I started training. This has been helpful for me but it might not be helpful for all. I am moderately agreeable and 38th percentile in politeness, which means I enjoy the conflict and the battle. It’s cathartic for me and it improves my mood and well-being after each session.
Apart from politics, Jordan Peterson is essentially speaking of me: even if I don't have taken a professional personality test, I strongly believe that I have exactly this personality profile: generally high in openess to experience, very high neuroticism, very low in consciousness. I don't know whether my "high functioning" autism is the cause of the great variability in terms of extroversion and agreeableness that I see. I am much less industrious compared to my parents, but neuroticism runs in my family a lot: my mother tends to be anxious, my father (a tax advisor with two employees) is prone to anger and was treated for anxiety as an adolescent, and three cases of major depression (my sister tried to kill herself at the age of 16 and my 91 yo grandmother has taken anti-depressants since the age of 31). Like he described, I am very creative in my ideas and questions about many subjects, but I change my interests and perspectives a lot, especially through bad experiences. My cognitive abilities are impacted by autism (social skills, manual dexterity, etc.) and unbalanced: even if my IQ was a moderately high 124 as measured by my psychologist, I think my logical and verbal abilities are much better than, for example, foreign language ability, math skills or memory. My interests are broad and peculiar, but the most intense and persistent ones are associated with my neuroticism, such as security (physical security, etc.) and human genetics and "biological variability", the latter associated with my sense of physical and mental inferiority. Years ago, after less than two months of study, I was able to enter as a high school graduate in medical school, which is much less selective in my country (Italy) than in the USA. Due to my autistic and mental limitations, I am afraid of my future, I know that I will never be a doctor and find another way to cultivate my interest in human genetics, which is the only thing that matters for me. In the end, money and genes are the most important factors for everyone, and I am disadvantaged in both ways.
IMO you sound like you could truly excel as a scientist or researcher. The social expectations of a family doctor might be challenging for you, but that doesn't mean it's impossible.
The Big 5 test has career suggestions which might be useful to you as well. Good luck, bud.
@@Unskooled Thank you. Very kind comment.
It's too short, I wanna hear what he says to the end ....
I think I'm high in neuroticism, openness and low in conscientiousness .-.
Are you more of a realistic person? Do you get stressed easily just by sitting by yourself and thinking? That’s me usually and I hate it, but I’ve controlled it to a point
@@franstammo3905 Realistic yes but stressed easily not really xD
viper king 65 well don’t you have a tendency to make a thought negative or at least focus on the negative side more than the positive? If not your neurotic it’s might not be so high
If you are low in conscientiousness that means you like to relax more than work, you don’t like to be as productive or “put together” as other people you hate schedules and would like the weekend to come than to actually work your self or try to improve something
@@franstammo3905 Thinking about it that's not generally me after all
Brilliant
Very high openness
Very low conscientiousness
Very high neuroticism
Oh hey, it's me!
...And boy, I am not doing well. Can confirm; disoriented as fuck.
Are you better these days?
The last line is powerful and can easily be proven just look at how a group of different women all react to the same situation and how a group of men react. You will probbaly find that most of the women react in similar way to their peers and the Men will react in a different way but again comparable to most of their peers. Men generally don't just jump as quick as possible to the emotional reaction and women will get their straight away or find a way to get their as quick as possible. Men may have a brief reaction but then take time to assess and think it through properly. Women will assume their first reaction is automatically right and run with it despite presented with opinion, observation or even evidence to the contrary. Both of these types of reactions are completely about the person in question general temperament.
Thsi man is real man
There seems to be a lot of comments here that seems to think that being immature is the same thing as being creative. It is not.
Can i get the link to the full vid please
Did u get the link.. Can u pls send it to me.. Or just guide me to the video or any other video you would suggest brother
Message to people like myself(high in openness and neuroticism and low in consienciousness): be careful with psychidelics. They can help you, but be careful.
Careful in what way?
I want to try them but i need to educate first obviously.
DONT DO IT! It completely destroyed my life as I have no ground anymore.
@@karolisz815I had the same thing only with weed instead BUT you can get through it eventually bud I would say it’s worth it in the long run
@@karolisz815 may I ask in what way? As I am having similar situation too
@@user-bu6nq1ve6mDo it with people you trust and where you feel comfortable and safe.
High in neuroticism, high in conscientiousness, and moderately high in openess... this also is a recipe for disaster at times. It's like I'm always preparing for the imaginary wars that might be while neglecting the present. Dr. JBP has been more than influential in transforming mine, and my family's lives for the better. I feel so lucky to learn from him.
You described me... I don't know how to "make it" in life..
It's a constant swing between boring safe islands to realizing you might very well end up stuck on a wooden raft in the middle of a violent, stormy sea.
“ and we better disagree, so that we don’t have to act out stupid ideas that will kill us “😂😂😂
So me, if not for my brother particularly I’d probably have killed myself through one of my stupid ” creative “ ideas😂 2:57
From what original video is this clip taken?
Brother did you get the full video..if yes Can u pls send me the link.. Or just guide me to the video.. Or if any other video you would recommend
He described me yay!
It's like Dr Peterson is bringing back common sense. When did we lose common sense? Must've had something to do with the progression of technology. I feel like Humans somewhere mightve clued in to where we were headed with technology and felt powerless so we gave up
We glory in our technology. We take it for a sign of our "advancedment." On the plus side, when this latest example of "humanity" has left this planet, the remnants will disappear fairly quickly.
I am 99th percentile for oppenness and neuroticism and 1st percentile for conscientiousness.
I feel almost completely useless after a lifetime of studying and self improving.
I wish there was a pill for this because working on myself has left me a miserable 30 year old with a mounting pile of regrets and self loathing. Feels like a sick trick played on me. Victim mentality and vulnerable narcissism are becoming my personality and that frightens me.
What should society do to fructify creative people?
Thanks.
First clip their wings and then quietly sneak up on them and then stomp them under you tennies.
Source link please.
czcams.com/video/UZMIbo_DxJk/video.html
Thanks.
@@osoco7294 can you pls send it to me.. Or guide me.. I know it's long time ago but still I want to know abt myself after this video
@@sanketlalla
Unfortunately I don't have any recollection of which video the respondent shared. I have this excellent habit of collecting videos to watch and then leaving them unwatched.
Similar topic?:
Channel: National Gallery of Canada
Title: Lectures: Exploring the Psychology of Creativity
... watch?v=KxGPe1jD-qY
@@osoco7294 Thanks a lot brother.. I'm halfway into this video and it's great..
Thanks a lot..
Can you pls also suggest video on high neuroticism.
Your recommendation was great for me.
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3:27
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What if I'm wildly neurotic and highly creative?
I know someone who is all the positive points. I never could tell it he cares about anyone, such a dud.
People here self diagnosing themselves while being neurotic, how ironic 🙄
Simple me, I just thought it was funny.
INTP here and exactly on those 3 axis like he describes
I am low on neuroticism and high on conscientiousness. Main because I am high in faith. Creative and cautious of authority but not rebellious. INFP
Same here!
Weird. I'm an INFP who is highly open and neurotic.
I don't buy it as a one size fits all. I'm an infp super high in faith and I'm still low in conscientiousness highly neurotic and creative. God keeps me from tipping over the edge. God saves, but it doesn't get me to be organized at all.
Must be nice to be a infp that isn’t always depressed and contemplating existence lol .
I'm also an INFP. High in openness and neuroticisim and low in conscientiousness
where is the woman's accent from. the one who asks the last question?
Standard British?
Maybe she's just deaf.
So the problem is - I’m fucked.
I am High in All THrEe!!
High in neuroticism high in conscientiousness that's me
k, but he didn't reply that lady's answer (or is not here). she has a valid point, he says you can't box personality, yet he boxes left and right personalities, nope, that is also a spectrum.
We all disagree, I think we should disagree, yeah...
No, we all agree...
Is this it?
We are just a wacky cadre.
What even is stability? Never had it
Stability is Victor Frankel in a concentration camp.
There I am 🙈
Expiriance?
im high in neuroticism, high in agreeableness, high in extroversion, moderate in conscience
How did u come to know this? I wanna find out for myself
@jupiterlove87x14 look up the 5 personality traits test online. I paid ten bucks for it today
@@alextrainor2552 You passed one test and failed another.
Comsmopolitician positionality 😊
Exoteric Islam and commandments in general heal pathological chaos, and esoteric Islam and agape in general heal pathological order.
Too esoteric.
I'm high in openness and dead center in conscientiousness. The perfectionism from it is gasoline on the high neuroticism fire. Swinging back and forth from 110% push push/personal growth focus with procrastination + look at these possibilities. It's like trying to pull a whole damn perfect world out of your ass alone cause nobody sees what you do. 😵💫 Introversion is the gasoline there.
I m probably 135 plus iq,
Same very high openness(intellect) And neurotic(withdraw), and very low in conscientiousness (industrious and orderliness both),
As a very creative person I suffering from depression(very different depression😢) medicine can't improve 1 years.
Life is not going good for me, my mom died in this time period😭
Also I m introvert and less agreeable
I need like minded people friends
me with high neuroticism but everything else is low
I’m highly open while highly disagreeable and creative. Lol 😂
I
just always wonder what in the devil it could all possibly mean
This video barely talks about the title
what is up with the thumbnail
Jordan pronounces "NOT" like a baptist minister says "Gawd".
Everybody thinks they are that person
I think I'm the only one out of all my friends who actually is though. They all have struggles but a lot of them have difficulty understanding me completely. I don't understand myself completely either!!
Creativity is deadly and wrong? Seriously 😑
Logically wrong, not morally wrong. People who are creative produce millions of ideas before they end up on one which lands them a place as one of the greatest mind of all time. The deadly part is with regards to people who are emotionally unstable (neurotic) and highly creative. They produce on the extremes, basically a loose cannon that can destroy the entire opposing army in a war, or kill all of their comrades.
@@zzzMrgamerzzz like the joker?
@@zzzMrgamerzzz That is not always the case. Especially if you are highly neurotic. I can speak from personal experience that even though my conscientiousness is very low. I will take the time to research and test my ideas because of the fear of failure which comes with being highly neurotic. Ideas come easily, finding one which truly solves the problem can be a challenge.
I understand creativity as any type of problem solving. That's what I learned in college by the way. Creativity is used to brainstorm ideas to help disabled people for example. There's a book called Design Thinking by Tim Brown that talks a lot about using creativity to help people. But if Peterson means the old idea that creativity is painting a canvas with different colors like Jackson Pollock would do, maybe it's dangerous, since it may mean exploring extreme things. On the hand, it may be good if you have a stable mind.
He didn't say that creativity is deadly and wrong. He said that most creative ideas are wrong, and many are deadly. There are actually very few genuinely good ideas. Most ideas are stupid.. like postmodernism.
The way I see it is that neurotic creatives latch on to something and try to 'fix' it at any cost. This means they're emotionally motivated to replace the status quo with something.. anything. Emotional reasoning doesn't result in effective problem solving.
the problem? neurotics will always have a "two element view"
and will never understand "factor analysis" = "four element view" as in "good order vs bad order vs good chaos vs bad chaos". "understand" as in: feel, generate, produce, create, procognize, predict, foresee, .... neurotic is just a strange word for "stupid but strong". extraversion is just a strange word for "pride".
Your are very talented in talking pseudo-intellectual gibberish.
I don't see how neuroticism is correlated with having that "two element view"
Milahu you make absolutely no sense
Neurotic just means you are emotionally unstable. I know brilliant engineers who are still emotionally unstable. They can analyze and understand their own problems but the emotions are too strong.
@@jsuegeusvhshsvzv5621 exactly, as a neurotic i can sometimes act in a way that's not natural to me and then regret my actions.
Jordan Petersen. The man who thinks he knows everything about everything and gets all bitter and twisted when those who do actually know what they are talking about, put him right. I mean, anyone who thinks his 12 Rules For Life are worth anything when the first one is "Stand up straight with your shoulders back" is better off seeing a chiropracter who will tell you that without the need for a self-help lesson from this con artist.
a chiropractor? LMFAO