The Vast Majority of Perpetrators Will Not Go to Jail or Prison- the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty - this means it's the prosecution who must prove you're guilty.... it's almost impossible to prove a rape case ...A fundamental principle behind the right to a fair trial is that every person should be presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty. Many people who are accused of these crimes will ultimately be found innocent regardless. If it cannot be proved without a doubt that a defendant in a criminal case is guilty, then that person should not be convicted.
Good! Otherwise everyone would be in custody when they are innocent. Look up the Birmingham six for example. Don’t disgrace yourself. Idiotic what you don’t know is the girl was a complete slapper and presumed innocent. Took eight weeks of legal argument to exclude her previous form.
lying about rape is disgusting and should comne with a custodial sentnce however regardless of what a woman wears or how she acts or who she chooses to engage in sex or sexual activities with makes no difference if a woman changes her mind at any point and the guy still continues its RAPE you stop when she says top or no or i dont want to they all mean no
How did she try and stop them. I hate wen they say things like "they were upstairs and started kissing that he initiated (whatever that means), then she was raped..." literally what does that mean, did she start screaming, saying no trying to fight and leave or did she do nothing ans and lay there and took it like i dont get it
Have you ever been raped Adam? Who are you to determine how a person should react to that trauma? God forbid it happens to any woman close to you as she’ll get no support from you. Fortunately, I have a real man at my side supporting me through this who is disgusted at the perpetuation of rape myths by ignorant asshats like yourself. And you’ll find very soon that you’ll be in the ignorant minority as we begin to get more support for women who are victims of the most vile abuse of power and of their bodies.
So you have to scream to indicate you aren't consenting? What about if she's pushing him away, or he's trying to remove clothes that she is trying to keep on?
@VIPICCB6those witnesses could've disliked the girl etc and secondly there was plenty of evidence that they did it but money and social status talks aye?
Niall Byrne Just because there isn’t enough evidence to prosecute doesnt mean she’s falsely accusing. NI has a prosecution rate of 2.8% and i believe the false rape accusations is 4% so therefore that means that 96% are true accusations and 2.8% of rapists are punished for it. I’m not saying she’s not lying, I’m saying imagine how the other 93.2% of rape victims feel when their abuser isn’t prosecuted and then on top of that they could face charges accusations them of lying?
This woman's story changed repeatedly, they were obviously all very drunk and I'm not too sure any of them really know what went on. This doc seems to be working with some sort of agenda, leaving out large amounts of the events that happened
The ginger women is so 1 sided like, maybe what the plays said on WhatsApp but stop trying to put them down I bet a tenner her children talk like that and she has no idea
All of the people complaining about him and how he should never play for Ireland again are the people who don’t watch rugby the people who don’t by the jerseys. He was proven not guilty to all accounts. He is an amazing talent and this case has ruined his life forever and could have been handled differently.
Talent does not mean moral control. Take a look at Tiger Woods and others who have talent. Talent only lasts so long, work on the soul and living to old is a gift. This man is meant to get old to see what he has really done with his life. g-d, willing this bastard gets old with many daughters to look out for.
Good. He shouldn’t have been so careless with someone else’s life. Then he wouldn’t be in the position he finds himself in now. As the ‘man’ himself said (I use the term loosely), his behaviour fell below the standard of what was expected of him. He’s a shite role model (well, he’s not a role model) and he made his bed (oh the irony) so he can lie in it - cos he’ll have plenty if time now that he’s a disgraced sportsman. He’ll certainly have enough time now to reflect on whether it was worth it.
Paddy Jackson et al. may well have been found Not Guilty. That does not translate as “innocent”. What it means is that the prosecution could not prove “beyond reasonable doubt” that they were guilty which is why the jury acquitted them. But rape is sadly the perfect crime. It is extremely difficult to prove lack of consent. As a rape victim, it is the reason I did not give any more than an “intelligence statement” to the police, where I withheld certain details about his identity so that they could not pursue it and put me through the shit show that that poor girl went through! My statement (and the forensic kit I provided) was only to serve as a safeguard to other victims as corroboration is the key to a successful conviction. Paddy Jackson’s victim did not have corroboration, and that was what failed her and my heart breaks for her. For me, I received a call 13 months later to say he had done it again. I had provided enough details and dna for them to connect the crimes. And now I’m awaiting a high court trial where hopefully justice will be served. Sadly, we live in a society where the law states that a man must have at least 2 rape victims who come forward before he can expect to be (possibly!) found guilty.
Courts cannot control people's individual opinions in their own mind based on the evidence they saw. That's always been the case. Plenty of people are aquitted of things when many still consider them guilty. I served on a jury in the high court in Glasgow where the guy got off and we all knew he was guilty! They just didn't prove it effectively. We still all walked away believing he did it. Same craic here in my opinion
Danny Costin Pyrrhic Victory -Discriminate who you have sex with. people who have no self control are easily taken advantage of - the guys have already lost and from now forced to discipline themselves.
Yip. Can't stand the pack mentality. I remember when I was at Glasgow University I actually chose which student union to go to based on the fact it was the opposite one all the rugger buggers and hooray henry's went to. Bunch of knuckle dragging neanderthals. Went there once and a rugby guy shoved my friend really hard onto the floor because she wouldn't get off with him. No class or manners among them.
@@davidm8030 I was asking the woman who made the original comment! Woman seem to think it’s fine that this girl lied about being raped and then focus on comments that were made in a WhatsApp group. She’s a liar and should be treated as so, and she should be convicted for lying and trying to ruin theses lads lives.
This isn't a bias documentary at all...
Ronan G **biased- if that’s what you mean. Learn to speak English properly.
@@johnjohansson6277 sad prick
The Vast Majority of Perpetrators Will Not Go to Jail or Prison- the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty - this means it's the prosecution who must prove you're guilty.... it's almost impossible to prove a rape case ...A fundamental principle behind the right to a fair trial is that every person should be presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty. Many people who are accused of these crimes will ultimately be found innocent regardless. If it cannot be proved without a doubt that a defendant in a criminal case is guilty, then that person should not be convicted.
Good! Otherwise everyone would be in custody when they are innocent. Look up the Birmingham six for example. Don’t disgrace yourself. Idiotic what you don’t know is the girl was a complete slapper and presumed innocent. Took eight weeks of legal argument to exclude her previous form.
What does everyone think about what to wear for their graduation?
Stitched up by some slapper in Belfast ..
Crazy ...
imagine blowing a total stranger, stay classy you wonderful young woman
lying about rape is disgusting and should comne with a custodial sentnce however regardless of what a woman wears or how she acts or who she chooses to engage in sex or sexual activities with makes no difference if a woman changes her mind at any point and the guy still continues its RAPE you stop when she says top or no or i dont want to they all mean no
IRFU...Clone army of colonising cuckoos at play... Munster and UL NATO NAZIs were worse at the Roses of Tralee
How did she try and stop them. I hate wen they say things like "they were upstairs and started kissing that he initiated (whatever that means), then she was raped..." literally what does that mean, did she start screaming, saying no trying to fight and leave or did she do nothing ans and lay there and took it like i dont get it
Have you ever been raped Adam? Who are you to determine how a person should react to that trauma? God forbid it happens to any woman close to you as she’ll get no support from you. Fortunately, I have a real man at my side supporting me through this who is disgusted at the perpetuation of rape myths by ignorant asshats like yourself. And you’ll find very soon that you’ll be in the ignorant minority as we begin to get more support for women who are victims of the most vile abuse of power and of their bodies.
So you have to scream to indicate you aren't consenting? What about if she's pushing him away, or he's trying to remove clothes that she is trying to keep on?
Some women fear even saying no, but will indicate they don't want to simply by pushing away
So was the woman charged with false accusations. ? I do hope so.
Niall Byrne I very much doubt it
Nothing false about it.
@VIPICCB6those witnesses could've disliked the girl etc and secondly there was plenty of evidence that they did it but money and social status talks aye?
Niall Byrne Just because there isn’t enough evidence to prosecute doesnt mean she’s falsely accusing. NI has a prosecution rate of 2.8% and i believe the false rape accusations is 4% so therefore that means that 96% are true accusations and 2.8% of rapists are punished for it. I’m not saying she’s not lying, I’m saying imagine how the other 93.2% of rape victims feel when their abuser isn’t prosecuted and then on top of that they could face charges accusations them of lying?
They were found "not guilty", not not "innocent".
A few incendiary women, unable to accept that they got it wrong and the jury got it ...
This woman's story changed repeatedly, they were obviously all very drunk and I'm not too sure any of them really know what went on. This doc seems to be working with some sort of agenda, leaving out large amounts of the events that happened
@VIPICCB6 and you support a couple of bang average scum bag rugger buggers
@VIPICCB6 How do you know it is the second person she has accused? Where did it say that?
Trauma can cause people to remember different things they have left out before don't be so insensitive
Unfortunately there are more and more sluts like her making false allegations, she should have been jailed.
@Glenna Smith you seem bitter and angry because no-one believe her lies. Now be a good girl and more on, ok 😊
The ginger women is so 1 sided like, maybe what the plays said on WhatsApp but stop trying to put them down I bet a tenner her children talk like that and she has no idea
All of the people complaining about him and how he should never play for Ireland again are the people who don’t watch rugby the people who don’t by the jerseys. He was proven not guilty to all accounts. He is an amazing talent and this case has ruined his life forever and could have been handled differently.
Fax
@@michelleobama6409 jesus michelle, wouldnt have thought you of all people would be a rape apoligist let alone an irish rugby fan
Talent does not mean moral control. Take a look at Tiger Woods and others who have talent. Talent only lasts so long, work on the soul and living to old is a gift. This man is meant to get old to see what he has really done with his life. g-d, willing this bastard gets old with many daughters to look out for.
johnny, we dont care about a sport or the symbols and merch when it comes to the safety of women. period.
Good. He shouldn’t have been so careless with someone else’s life. Then he wouldn’t be in the position he finds himself in now. As the ‘man’ himself said (I use the term loosely), his behaviour fell below the standard of what was expected of him. He’s a shite role model (well, he’s not a role model) and he made his bed (oh the irony) so he can lie in it - cos he’ll have plenty if time now that he’s a disgraced sportsman. He’ll certainly have enough time now to reflect on whether it was worth it.
Paddy Jackson et al. was found unanimously innocent yet is treated as guilty. Nice to see balance in this feminist rantfest.
Paddy Jackson et al. may well have been found Not Guilty. That does not translate as “innocent”. What it means is that the prosecution could not prove “beyond reasonable doubt” that they were guilty which is why the jury acquitted them. But rape is sadly the perfect crime. It is extremely difficult to prove lack of consent. As a rape victim, it is the reason I did not give any more than an “intelligence statement” to the police, where I withheld certain details about his identity so that they could not pursue it and put me through the shit show that that poor girl went through! My statement (and the forensic kit I provided) was only to serve as a safeguard to other victims as corroboration is the key to a successful conviction. Paddy Jackson’s victim did not have corroboration, and that was what failed her and my heart breaks for her. For me, I received a call 13 months later to say he had done it again. I had provided enough details and dna for them to connect the crimes. And now I’m awaiting a high court trial where hopefully justice will be served. Sadly, we live in a society where the law states that a man must have at least 2 rape victims who come forward before he can expect to be (possibly!) found guilty.
Courts cannot control people's individual opinions in their own mind based on the evidence they saw. That's always been the case. Plenty of people are aquitted of things when many still consider them guilty. I served on a jury in the high court in Glasgow where the guy got off and we all knew he was guilty! They just didn't prove it effectively. We still all walked away believing he did it. Same craic here in my opinion
@@roisinmc7442 incorrect. The law established he was not guilty, it isnt up to you.
@@ScotVenus you need therapy.
IRFU...Clone army of colonising cuckoos at play... Munster and UL NATO NAZIs were worse at the Roses of Tralee
Danny Costin
Pyrrhic Victory -Discriminate who you have sex with. people who have no self control are easily taken advantage of - the guys have already lost and from now forced to discipline themselves.
All the posh male rugby heads on his side.
Not guilty you clown 😂
Yip. Can't stand the pack mentality. I remember when I was at Glasgow University I actually chose which student union to go to based on the fact it was the opposite one all the rugger buggers and hooray henry's went to. Bunch of knuckle dragging neanderthals. Went there once and a rugby guy shoved my friend really hard onto the floor because she wouldn't get off with him. No class or manners among them.
“Vile comments” the only vile comments were made by the defendants!
The 'complainant' referred to the other women at the party as 'acting slutty'
Care to expand on that seen as the woman’s story changed on numerous times!
@@Craicwas90. yes the 'complainant's' story changed on numerous occasions, consistent with lying
@@davidm8030 I was asking the woman who made the original comment! Woman seem to think it’s fine that this girl lied about being raped and then focus on comments that were made in a WhatsApp group. She’s a liar and should be treated as so, and she should be convicted for lying and trying to ruin theses lads lives.
If some lawyer picked her apart for days in court, it's unsurprising that her "story" changed.
What a meaningless, superficial "documentary".