How the Catholic Church Hid Away Hundreds of Irish Children | Times Documentaries
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- Ireland wanted to forget, but the dead don't always stay buried. One woman made it her mission to unearth the truth.
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Imagine having the audacity to think you have the right to take a baby away from a mother. Evil.
And, that's what abortion does through trickery for money.
But many pregnant girls were forced to by their parents.
@@michelledax4083 that's the woman's choice though is'nt it?
Naomi Klassen you mean like what's currently being done in the U.S?
Michelle Dax don't you mean that's what "enforced pregnancy" does? When abortion is illegal and women are unable or unwilling to care for these enforced pregnancies their babies are borne and are uncared for, and starve to death or are sold to child traffickers, thrown in a landfill after being used and murdered? Is that what you meant?
the words "catholic church" and "children" in one sentence always make me suspicious.
George Job have you read Charlotte keckley testimony?
I don't know how anyone would want to be Catholic after everything that has come out into the open
Deborah's Backwoods Studio Why should the mistakes of a few dictate what others should believe in. Few priests commuted pedophilic acts so you’re saying that 1.2 billion people should relinquish their faith?
That's a pity because the majority of Catholic religious and Catholic institutions are not abusive. I suffered incest in my family and if I followed your line of logic, the words family and children in one sentence would always make me suspicious. I think you can understand how silly it is to view the world too subjectively. I can indeed assure you that abuse takes place in families at a rate that is at least that of abuse in the Church and remains far less accountable. People love an external demon, they are not so happy with one within. Evil occurs everywhere but mere observation is enough to prove good and decent behaviour is still more prevalent than evil. Unless you believe that a majority of families are more wicked than good, more dangerous than safe?
@@deborahsbackwoodsstudio1369 Jesus was betrayed by one of his own,Peter denied him three times!!
my grandma went to a mother and baby home in England in 1963, they tried to take her baby from her saying that she would never have a normal life as a single mother, but she refused to give up my auntie. when she married my grandpa, he signed his name in the father's space on my auntie's birth certificate and raised her as his own
I used to play in the cemetery at my local church as a kid. There was this stage like structure near a row of trees with a large statue of Jesus on the cross on top, and behind it there was this big hidden clearing. I remember exploring it and finding flowers and little trinkets and candles and things like that laid about. It was only when I was older that I realized that it was a mass grave for suicide victims and unbaptized babies. The church refused to give them headstones or bury them with the others, so they hid the bodies away back there. The family members were only allowed to visit the grave after hours so the other parishioners didn’t find out. Not too long ago I checked the place out again and they’ve completely levelled it. I guess they don’t want to soil their squeaky clean reputation. If you visit any old Catholic church, look for an empty clearing hidden away in the back. It’s likely where all the “unholy” are buried.
There is a section in the cemetery where my great grandparents are buried that is unbabtised babies are buried. Just heartbreaking.
A vile and ugly organization. I refuse to call it a religion.
The one that is really "unholy" is the religious dictator and sexual oppressor who blasphemously calls himself the Pope. He deserves the grandest marked grave, next to Stalin and Hitler. The rot starts at the top and he bears a great responsibility for these horrendous crimes.
i please report this they will have to remove concrete and do ground penetrating radar GPR
thi is our duty to those who our society betrayed in the past.
When my first child was born we didn’t get her baptized within the 6 weeks that my Catholic sister in law thought was mandatory. She told me that if our baby died she wouldn’t go to heaven. She shunned our kids after that, it’s just sick. Who made these sick rules. Babies and people are not disposable.
Good news all! It was just announced today (October 23, 2018) that the burial sites are to be exhumed and the remains recovered. Hopefully this will bring peace of mind to the families who have lost relatives there.
Blessings to that wonderful woman who did all the investigating.
@Elizabeth Wallace wtf.
To lie about something this serious seems complicit to me
Elizabeth Wallace can you send me a link to your information? Thank you
@Elizabeth Wallace
As mature as the survivors appear to be, I'm sure most if not all the nuns who ran the "Homes" are long dead.
I never understood the concept of punishing a child for their parents mistakes, men never get punished either
candy cane I wouldn't mind, the women never made any mistakes...they were just demonized
candy cane l agree a man hooks up with girl gets a pat on bac k a girl usually gets called atart or-------other not nice words
@@cherylrundle1320 as a man I want to say we are not all like that, I loved my mother dearly and I like children they just slay me with their little inquisitiveness and their innocence until they turn into teen agers lol. I have a soft heart for children, because my childhood was so chaotic. Well my point is that we don't all hate women and children.
Men do get punished some never are told or worse told they will never see their child again, a few men don't care ,yes but not all how would women feel if the reverse happened
@LS AE have you stood in the shoes of men who lost their their children because of religious belief or parents would never allow a relationship between couples because of land,religion or what other people think ,I don't think so it easy to confuse compassion with supporting only the mother how about the child and the father after all that is what was once classed as a family unit, destroyed because of others
My grandfather and father attended catholic schools. They both said how cruel the Priests were.
My experience was in schools with religious and lay teachers under religious management. The lay teachers could be more vicious than the religious teachers and were not controlled regarding corporal punishment in any way. My parents had to confront them many times regarding their overuse of corporal punishment.
@@jgdooley2003 Nice try to defend rotten Church, but you failed.
@@tgstudio85 Not trying to defend the Church. Its big enough to defend itself. My main conflicts both witnessed and suffered were with lay teachers who should have been under firmer control as employees of both Church and State regarding abuse of corporal punishment, which was legal at the time.
@@jgdooley2003 Teachers are way more controlled by government then priests, secondly government don't hide cases of pedophile teachers but send them straight to prison, not like Catholic Church to retirement or move them to other church. Did you catch this difference?
How do Orthodox priests compare to Catholic priests in terms of cruelty?
When that man was talking about finding the bones and how no one did anything, the look on his face was so despondent. Man this is......one of the saddest things I've ever heard of.
I hope that any of the nuns, still living today, have been arrested and charged with murder.
And torturw
Not a chance.
They won't face any charges, sure it's all covered up, now.
Murder? I didn't see any evidence for murder. Severe neglect absolutely and maybe abuse, yes. But where is the murder?
Starving children to death is murder. And probably beating them to death.
Remember when everyone was so upset about Sinead O’Connor ripping up a picture of the pope on live television? Seems like a pretty rational reaction about now.
It was Pope John Paul II ... He was much more than just "a Catholic" my dear
That one will do anything to flog a c.d...Muslim now isn't she?what next....another madonna???
@Elizabeth Orr the original commenter has edited their comment but I agree with you...😊
P La. He was just a man. I was brought up as a Roman Catholic, but I do not wish to be part of organised religion anymore.
@Elizabeth Orr
Whether she tore up the Pope's picture or not is irrelevant. They both are Guided by The Same Spirit and it is not holy.
Philomena is an EXCELLENT film about this era and Dame Judith Dench won an award for her portrayal of a simple Irish woman: She rocked.
It is indeed and a favourite of mine, hope others see it...
Women's worth should never be determined by a man's 'ownership' of her. It is disgusting what was happening to women and their kids, just becuase they did not live accordingly to the catholic church's expectations. And it is still happening in the world!
Atrocities occur such as this in the same manner, in the general population.
Search Operation Underground Railroad where women and children are trafficked.
Hear the stories and the people who try and rescue them.
Very true, but the nuns were all grown educated women and not one complained.
Try not to overlook the fact Nuns were female, doing this to other females, and not one of them ever came forward.....It is not as if their convictions justify murder so you would expect if nothing else one of them might at least have a sense of right from wrong, but no they were obviously the human embodiment of evil...catholic baby killers!
Yes, ... Those nuns were tough and very strict, ....but if it wasn't for them, most of the Western civilization would have been long gone !! Today without the Church, look what's happening all over the Western world !! Mass abortion, population decline, population replacement, drugs, alcoholism suicides, and total despair and total wipe out of the European people !!
This happened in my family. We spent years trying to find my mother’s brother that was taken away from my grandma. We finally found him two months ago, sadly he died in 2000. However we contacted his wife and children and he was thankfully adopted by a lovely couple of Scandinavian descent that gave him a wonderful childhood.
That's wonderful even though he died he had a happy life
I want to clarify him surviving is the good part
The Church and State have been playing their real life system of HandMaidens tale for Centuries. I believe the Superior Race Eugenics Theory was invented to keep the Babies they abducted and SOLD... forever divided. But most of all to hide their “CRIMES” until it was to late for the Victims to do anything about it.
That’s why it’s all on YT now. They’ve decided to let us all KNOW.... what they did. #Confessions 👈
And still the believers remain so arrogant, to make the world in their image, war if necessary
Sorry to hear of pain.
My heart aches for you 😢
These children were obviously being starved to death. How could so many children die and not one nun stand up for those helpless children and just dumping their bodies, this is murder pure and simple.
I understand what you are saying. However, you need to realise that in that time, nuns lived in their own hierarchy and were taught to never question. My aunt was a nun in that time and she watched me being assaulted and said nothing. It was only when she was in her 80's that she apologised to me and explained that she would have been punished for speaking out. They didn't have any sense of self, it was all about god and the church. I hope that explains it a bit. It's very hard to understand in this day and age, it was like a whole other universe.
Very true.
Rose-Marie Chauret A1
its almost impossible to read,I am Irish ,but this makes me so ashamed, wholesale murder of innocents by the ones who were to look after them,
Bet you there was not one skinny little nun amongst the bunch.
The recently dircovered mass graves in Canada have me thinking about this and the role that the catholic church played in both
More information please about Canada, it could help someone who is watching and trying to connect the pieces.
@@gwynbetts29 Also there are several class action lawsuits going on. Nothing has come out of those yet, but hoping something will after the discovery of thousands of unmarked graves. It is the Canadian holocaust honestly and if there are evil people still alive who abused and killed those kids, they should be punished for their crimes.
@@gwynbetts29 Indigenous children were to be "assimilated" into European Canadian culture, but the boarding schools they were sent to meant torture. There was even an electric chair in some of these schools with enough electricity to cause severe pain, and you could get it for stuff like going to the bathroom at night. Apart from that, children were beaten and se**ally assaulted. Many children died from the abuse and neglect and were hidden in mass graves. Of these mass graves several have recently been discovered.
I’m wondering if they’ll find mass graves in the US. We had those residences here too.
I’m a Catholic and I’m so bewildered right now.
They don't serve our Saviour they serve the Evil one. This is awful.
You had given these poor souls a voice, thank you.
The woman who did all the research is wonderful. It is thanks to her that the truth appears... The Church behaviour is disgusting, and don't forget it is not a so old story... it's pure horror...
The people who have infiltrated the church are satanic. They have nothing to do with being catholic.
@Elizabeth Orr THEN WHY DON'T THEY HAVE DEATH CERTIFICATES- WHY IS THERE A COVER UP- WAKE UP
Certificates or not there was a clear cover up and you can't blame over 700 deaths purely on infant death rates, so many of them being noted as emaciated and starving that there was clear mistreatment by the church it wasn't natural.
They shamed the mothers for having the children and despite the fact many of them would've been fine taking care of their child the church took them anyways then proceeded to neglect and starve them and when they died not even give them a proper burial.
Sure some of the things people have been saying about the church is harsh, but this is recent history which can't be excused.
baran songul it's over 100 years old. I understand that it's not insainly old but societally it is. These are wedlock babies. This took place back when the church was still in decent power. I'm a third generation Catholic and yes they have done awful things but so has every religion and every country throughout history. They story came to life, word spread, it's known, but no use in to continue to live in the past
@Elizabeth Orr Millions of children will tell ya, not much is worse than a man in a dress, or a bunch of nun either. Much horror. Real talk. There are many good ones, but they aren't in charge.
and these were the same people calling themselves "holy" and "righteous". gosh
JESHUA find Him the catholic church is a lie jeshua not he is the light buy a kings james bible read that and be saved for eternity
And they have the gall to call Protestants, Jews, and Freemasons evil. What utter Dreck!
John Shelton Catholics don’t think they are evil.
The bible says, "call no man holy except jesus" the bible says you can call them brother , but not holy for all have sinned.
Stephanie Camille Nietes The same people who called unwed mothers 'sinners' were those who subjected those children to paedophilia. How more evil does it get?
Well done Catherine Corless. I hope some day Ireland honours you in a way befitting a hero of the people. The powers of the catholic church and our subservient government couldn't silence you. You fought for the innocent dead victims. Thank you.
Ireland already is. Thankfully it has changed and there are strict measures now in place for child protection
I lived in Belfast,northern Ireland for most of my life.
There was a graveyard in around the city where unwed mother who were so afraid or being found out to have a child out of wedlock would throw their newborns over a wall the graveyard beside the street and apparently cries of newborns are still heard 😭😭😭.
It’s changed now I’m so glad of our world today, having babies ‘falling pregnant’ is the best thing and not looked down at ✨⭐️💫 bless those beautiful babies and children’s souls✨💫⭐️
Are you talking about Gelravel Street graveyard
He's still searching for his sister. I think that might be the saddest thing I've heard in years. My heart goes out to the victims and their families. No one should be reduced to a name on a wall.
ive just bought the book , just starting to read it ,
The Vietnam Memorial speaks volumes. Makes me weep seeing all bthose names of people that died so far away from home. Very sad indeed.
The historian, Ms. Corless, is an absolute hero.
She is and was not a historian. She was a typist and had no degree of any kind. Please do your research.
@@porkychop6970 shut up
Anyone can be a historian like anyone can be a writer. The first commenter’s point is that she was a hero. It doesn’t matter if she had a degree. Journalists do research and break amazing stories every day without an MA or PhD in history. Do you always steal joy away from people?
Yes, she is indeed a heroine. And, thankfully for the children concerned, a tenacious one at that.
@@ravenel2 well said 70 years ago my brother new born would not stop crying day and night dr said nothing wrong? My mother went to see a quack as they called them in her day people who hadnt passed paper examinations for the letters.he striped the baby and found he had a tiny hernia or what ever they called it in those days right below he put something on it lint on top bandage etc told my mum not to bathe him for AWEEK that night was first time that baby slept and after I come from a poor welsh mining village in south wales everyone in village used to talk about my mother and brother walking streets to get baby to sleep
So there are better people out there who couldnt pass an exam yet are more qualified than many
I’m an old adoptee taken from my mother at birth in the US. These stories just tear me up. My birth mother just never recovered and died at 27. I have two daughters of my own - I felt feral when they were born, thinking back on how it would have been for my young mother when I was taken away.
*Thinking about those moms and children....I wish I could give them all a big hug of comfort and love.*
As a mother...I don't know how you would ever recover
Alison Lee ikr.😢😢😢
you wouldn't
You don't... not ever.
Either you live not really living, you keep fighting or you off yourself.
well my mom did
i was 3 but the memories are still clear, not because it was horrifying but because it was unique.
my family was poor and they decided not to have a second baby because they only had enough to provide one with good education.
she did cry a lot.
Watch the movie Philomena that's about just this.
Look at the list of the babies they killed. Some of them were only days old. They had only just started life and all they got was pain and suffering. I hope the people responsible for this atrocity are brought to justice, if not in this life then in the next. The most insulting part of it is that they put a playground on top of it none of those babies will ever get a chance to play on. The Catholic Church must be held accountable.
How do you know they killed anyone? What was the doctors conclusion? Why were some children emancipated and have wizened arms? What did he report or propose should happen. What was the followup? The real truth is always somewhere in the middle. putting them in a iron chamber instead of burying them does not even suggest foul play. If babies were born dead back then, they could not be burried in consecrated ground because they were not baptised. That was the belief of everyone. The real crime here is that many death certs were probably fabricated and the children were bought by wealthy Americans!
@@Marie.b Did you even watch the video? The babies born alive and starved to death. These were the people who were supposed to care for them and they weren't providing adequate food and care. I don't know what the law is in Ireland but here in the US that's at least second degree murder.
@@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527 I watched it all. It's not a police investigation. It's a story built on top of a few questionable happenings. That does not make it the truth. People are so easily led!
@@Marie.bIgnorance is bliss, it seems. You can ignore reality but the rest of us won't.
@Alexis Wilkinson denial of what? i don't deny bones were found , how many is questionable and no investigation has answered conclusively. I don't deny babies died, how is questionable and no investigation has answered conclusively. I don't deny babies were adopted out against mothers wishes and I don't even deny that was done illegally or even that money may have changed hands. Now, what exactly am I in denial about again? Crowd panic and wild accusation led to the wrongful convictions and murder of women with the witch hunts and the most famous one when the crowd ie the ignorant public, demanded the death of an innocent man and when given the choice of freeing him or a dangerous criminal, they chose the criminal! I put no faith in the judgement of the crowd/ public.
I’m 76 and there was a Catholic school and nunnery in my neighborhood in the 1950s. When it was demolished there were rumors of infant corpses being found during excavation. I can never forget it.
Can I ask where is your neighbour hood?
Of course kid ms where buried there the nuns could not afford to bury them they got nothing from their governments these homes where full time the gunnels.
I went to a catholic school in the 50s and 60s. All of the nuns looked like the ones in the thumbnail. They were in fact BRUTAL ! I was beaten many times, and often times for things I never did. I was constantly reminded I was being punished for my parents sins which made me just as guilty. Two of them had Irish accents and another one was English. The only one I didn't fear was a Spanish nun from Spain, She was nice and no one bothered her for some reason, I think she had connections to Rome because she mentioned Rome many times. My mother went to the same school . When my mom died everything changed for the worse. I became homeless at 12 and no one would help me, not even the church. I believe these stories. I am almost 70 now.
It has to be said that in Ireland in the early part of the 20th.century there was abject poverty, some families produced a great many children they could not afford to feed. It was deemed an honour for a son to go to the seminary and a great many boys went to the priesthood. Similarly girls were sent very early to service in convents, they earned their keep. They did not have a vocation but went through the system because it was economic for the families. I suppose many if those nuns exacted their frustrations on young girls who had children out of wedlock, but it haunts me that, in the records in the article, a tiny three week old baby could be emaciated........that is wilful and inhuman cruelty. It is also true that many babies were the result of Priests impregnating young girls in the convents, which is despicable. I know someone who was a nursing sister, who had the most appalling story to tell of a nun who had been admitted to her ward, suffering from tertiary syphillis, what a dreadful thing to happen. I never found out what happened to her, it’s heartbreaking.
@@jackieporter5323 Yes ! I've been to Ireland but only once in my life so far. It was my parents dream for me to become a priest but I was afraid to take on that responsibility for some reason. My mother was gifted in Latin while I merely squeaked by yet excelled in German. My parents didn't appreciate that at all. Ireland for the most part is indeed poor and I found solace in the fact that my family was humble with a touch of resentment thrown in for texture. I was always taught / reminded to grin and bear it, after all it's a small thing compared to the suffering of Christ. I still believe that to this day.
I've heard about this place a few times before. It's terrible. I'm an unmarried mother and I'm so thankful that I can take care of my own kids by myself.
This is my hometown and I can tell you that a dark energy lingers on here
Back then they didn’t give the girls a chance.
back then unwed mothers didn't have a choice the babies were taken off them and adopted and sometimes sold
Right!!! Geez this is just heartbreaking 💔..
Queenofdacastle my mum was born in a mother and baby home in Dublin
Many single mothers were also sent to the asylum. Getting treated badly only for not having a husband.
And absolutely nothing happened to the men
Not actually for not having a husband but for having sexual relations outside of marriage. But the men should have been punished and the children and mothers treated with love, not as abominations
Religious institutions should be kept as far away from both the state and kids as possible
Or the Magdalene laundries.
@@hollym1751 How would you prove who the father was?
Thank you New York Times for documenting this part of our sad history. My heart bleeds for the innocent victims. Even in ireland today there is a coverup of the church crimes. There was an official report issued recently which was a whitewash by the church and many of the victims have been traumatised again by the failure to tell the truth. At least there are still some respectable journalists out there. Thank you, from Ireland.
So shocked that the NYT would actually post this...thank you for doing this..
Always the woman's fault -- whether she said yes or no, has the kid or aborts the pregnancy. Always her fault according to someone. The man is invisible and beyond reproach, as if he wasn't even there.
God..so true
Its unfortunate they got the full blame when they should have only been getting half of it. Its also unfortunate for a women since she cant hide the fact that she is pregnant but a man can deny that he had anything to do with it. In some cases woman might not have even known for certain who the father was so it makes that whole situation a lot more complicated when you dont have any proof. Its not like today where people had easy access to DNA tests
It’s not Gods fault it’s humanity
Sofia - I didn't see blaming God here, not even for the Church's horrible behavior.
Sofia Bravo I blame the people that claims there Christians I blame men and the priest and there not god. God does not like that I can feel it and tell.
The persecution of women and children. I imagine the fathers carried on life as normal, no responsibility for their part. It’s disgraceful that this happened to these children and mothers 🌈
Very very true
Riz D.o.c wrong is still wrong no who is doing it.
Carole Pearson what about the families who put the women(girls) in these situations. They all knew.
Jeannine Hatton - Absolutely agree. A similar thing was happening to women, here in England. My Mum got pregnant at 18 (1957). She was sent off to a home for unwed mothers. She didn’t really say much about it, so I didn’t ask. She was very lucky, as after my brother was born, my grandparents allowed her to keep him, so he was brought back to her parents home and he was very much loved, which was unheard of back then.
Carole Pearson beautiful, happy it turned out well for your family.. Who knows what could of happend?
Bless those poor little children
Hundreds of children? You mean THOUSANDS! My husband lived in Ireland for a time and the damaged (now) adults was horrendous. Still people let the catholic chchuech tell them what to do, and control them. 😱😰
Why don't people ever blame the men for sleeping around? It's always the woman who suffers from public persecution. And why would people ridicule the babies born from unwed parents?? Babies never choose how they come into the world. They're always innocent.
Because men rule the church. Of course they are not to be blamed.
My aunt told me this saying some 30 yrs ago...'Momas baby, daddys maybe'.
Its a fact the baby is hers. She is pregnant.
Maybe its his, or his or his...maybe.
It us recorded in the New Testament, when a woman was caught having adulterous relationship, the people brought her to Jesus. They want Jesus to persecute the woman according to their law. Jesus said to them, "Those who have not sinned, stone this woman for that is your law." Upon saying these words, Jesus' wrote on the ground the sinful things of those accusers and perhaps, Jesus wrote their names on the ground too! So those people turned away because they are sinners too. Those people only accused the woman but how about the man who was caught with her? Crazy unfair aye! They think women are no equal to men. God loved us all. God does not play favoritism. When Jesus rose from grave, He first showed to women.
I watched a movie about the Magdalenes, and it was infuriating what happened there at that home. 😡
tail feather, your instincts are spot on. This book illuminates the fear of religion: A Child of the Church: Nature versus Scripture See youtube.com Dead cat in the middle of the road.
@@heatherframpton9693 Of what movie, do you speak? Thank You!
This reminds me so much of residential schools in Canada. The government ruled that Aboriginal children were to be taken away from their families and put into schools run by the Catholic church. It is estimated that around 6,000 children died while in these schools. Those who survived endured separation from their families, culture and community, as well as hunger, disease and abuse. So many tragic and preventable deaths.
Was that the Duplessis Orphans?
No, that was another scandal perpetuated by Quebec's Catholic church. In that case 20,000 orphaned children were misdiagnosed as mentally disabled and put into asylums (the government received more money from asylums than from orphans). The children suffered mental, physical and sexual abuse in the institutions.
Duplessis Orphans:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duplessis_Orphans
Residential Schools:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system
Me Just for the record, the Residential Schools in Canada were operated by several " religious" groups, including the RC, and Anglican Churches, as well as the United Church, but the RC Church was predominant. The Government at the time ( in their infinite wisdom) believed that indigenous children should be yanked from their communities and culture to be " de-savaged" at the hands of religious teachers in residential schools. They suffered horrendous abuse of every form - cultural, physical, emotional and sexual at the hands of some truly cruel and warped Priests, Nuns and lay people, funded by the Government, and created a legacy of pain, cultural genocide, substance abuse and indigenous parents with no parenting skills and deep, untreated emotional scars. Canadian Residential Schools also had their secret burial plots and undocumented deaths/burials. The late Tragically Hip frontman, Gord Downie brought much needed attention to the need for reconciliation and an equitable deal for indigenous Canadians, including the story of Chanie Winjack, a 9 year old aboriginal boy who ran away from the horrors of his residential "school", and died of exposure on the railway tracks he was following to get back home. Both the Mother and baby homes in Ireland and the Residential Schools in Canada were born out of a similar, deeply troubling religious morality that did much harm and little or no good, and seemed to attract some truly evil people to work in it's system. As if anybody with a brain cell would believe there were no deaths at Tuam the entire time they ran. Ms. Corless is a true hero - a soft-spoken amateur historian with guts and grit.
Canuckmom1958 all true. But in Canada there churches also ran these mother and baby homes and orphanages. The most notorious orphanage was Mount Cashel in Newfoundland. Children were generally separated boys from girls and this one was for boys.
This also happened in Australia. By government policy, half-caste and semi-caste Aboriginal children were taken from their parents by age seven and put into Church- and State-run orphanages and missions. There the females were trained to become domestic servants and the males to be farmhands and cattle stockmen - receiving salaries of one-third to one-half of their white counterparts.
Now known as the Stolen Generations, the policy continued right up until the 1970s. The government offered a public apology in 2008, but nothing else - certainly nothing in the way of compensation for generations of devastated families and ruined lives.
In the early 1970's when I was a young single mother in England, my best friend was another single mother who had run off to England from Ireland. She made the right choice.
I spent a year in a church-run 'school'. I can relate to what these people are saying.
Church and children in the same sentence never end well....
I have been going since I was born
*Catholic Church
The media has done its job. Obey propaganda.
@@darthnicholas8528 Other churches have gotten away with similar things. No one cares about them, though, since they're much smaller.
This is indeed sad and distressing. But please remember that not all Catholic churches are the same. Some catholics have worked to the reforment of the church. Now the church is by, Gods grace, much more welcoming and loving and caring
In the last days of my Irish Grandmothers life (96) she'd talk about and hear the voices of the Nuns chastising her. The Catholic Church was and is built on FEAR!
Really!!!!!!
AngloHuscarl..This video shows a horrible atrocity against the most vulnerable ones: Children. It was the government responsibility to protect this people. I see the video is just trying to blame The Church (and a very specific congregation), but I think it's both parts fault.
Now, to blame an entire institution for this barbarity just reflects the personal views of many towards The Church of the Lord.
Wake up people, there is evil in the world. It is infiltrated inside the Church since Jesus Christ the Lord was living with us. The Church of the Lord: The Catholic Church has Judas Iscariot as the betrayer of the Lord, meaning, it's not perfect. Jesus predicted evil inside and outside the Church. So we just have to pray, pray, pray for these little ones that lost their life cruelly and for the people that still is affected by such tragedy, pray for the healing on their soul.
The Church of the Lord will never get destroyed by evil. God promised that HIMSELF.
Luke 22:31-32
31 “Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift all of you as wheat.
32 But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers.”
AngloHuscarl it’s all connected to the free Masonic cults of ancient Egypt... they are satanic demons hiding behind costumes, names, gender, race, titles, companies, etc. they are here to bring there end of time apocalyptic fantasy to all of earth... that’s what the pyramids of Giza are... a cult who built aa huge underground facility(Bunker/shelter) to transport them into the afterlife/outer space ... like Jonestown but on a global scale and much more complex... the pyramids were cages for the slaves like a concentration camp...
@@camerontaylor7471 Ohh please, just shut up and take a cold bath. You have written the CREAZIEST COMMENT in CZcams. It's actually funny hahahahahah
@@camerontaylor7471 Don't be silly ...the surplus Irish farmers' sons ( who became clerics) who "educated " me ..didn't know their arses form their elbows ..Masonic influences ...don't make me laugh.
Such a haunting story that still continues to this day. I hope those babies get some justice as well as families of them.
Same tragedy occurred in Tuam, Ireland as happened with Native American children in the US, removed from homes and put in residential schools; no access with families for years.
Things done in the dark will one day come to light.
We can only hope.
After the original perpetrators are dead, beyond justice. But the organization lives on, still abusing innocence.
KM Merry Thank God it is. Also all other organized phoney doctrines of big organized religions with great wealth.
The Catholic Church is rich enough to give those poor precious little souls a decent burial. they are morally obligated, money aside. Nothing can atone for such heinous treatment, nothing.
@Zaphod Bebelbrox I hear you the saint
@Aubrey Shatner Keep it up Saint Aubrey Shatner!I guess you are the custodian of heaven!!!
@Aubrey Shatner How are have you gone with your evangelism.Remember the world today is only 31% Christian,out of which 18% is Roman Catholic.Thus you have atask ahead of you to preach to 18% plus 69%!Wish you luck!!!
Rich enough?
The Vatican's bank balances, art collections and ecclesiastical jewelry could pay off the national debt of half the planet.
RC priests (and bishops cardinals and pope) take a vow of poverty. You only have to look at them to see their definition of poverty isn't quite the same as ours.
@@jackywhite880 What is the largest non governmental charitable organisation in the world?
This is absolutely heartbreaking!i am lost for words!!!!!!
Such a heart breaking story. My heartfelt condolences to those who lost siblings, sons and daughters to the incomprehensible horrors they all endured.
💔 😪 🙏🕊
If my darling Irish mother had not gotten away from Ireland I would have been one of those children. Ireland is very beautiful, beautiful beyond measure. The people are very kind, they are remarkable. However it can be a harsh hard cold place too. Especially for the children that were sent to the industrial schools, the convent laundries, and places like this. Additionally the education system under the Catholic Church was profoundly traumatic for many.
luckily its not like that anymore
@@Beth-uc7jb hopefully.
D. Hanafin The peoples of all countries. nations need leave doctrines like these + big organized religions, seek Father God +Jesus in their own by His ever present Spirit + word + stop financially supporting any religion that has extreme wealthy leaders, ministers etc that live beyond what followers do. They fake just like any other elite in the world.
THIS MAKES ONE OF THE BEST REASONS OF SEPARATING CHURCH AND STATE!!!
Do u know that they are in control un = Vatican people need to research this look at a Jesuit oath and Eric Jon phelps Vatican assassin’s
should be a crime to allow children absorb their teachings. and should be a choice only adults make to follow
Which is then superseded by George Orwell's correct prediction of every communist takeover ever, plus Italianfacism and Nazism which where outgrowths of communism. The idea where the state becomes your new God, whetheryou like it or not. Moa in China alone, murdered 45 millionof his own people. He'sworshipped like a God in China today, because communism requires facist dictatorship to stay in power. So they control what peoplesay as best they can, by rule of law.
Yes, the church was currupt, like the scribes and Pharisees of the Gospels. But their is a difference between not putting a church into political power and having Christian principles being voted for by a Christian population.
Yes only the state should be allowed to tourcher kids
@@uncatila Abuse also occurred in state run orphanages in other parts of the world. Some articles are as follows. See: www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2019-12-20/romania-confronts-ugly-past-involving-abusive-orphanages, www.hrw.org/legacy/summaries/s.china961.html, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphans_in_the_Soviet_Union, www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/russ98d.pdf, www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/mar/07/more-than-2200-child-abuse-survivors, www.aph.gov.au/parliamentary_business/committees/senate/community_affairs/completed_inquiries/2004-07/inst_care/report/c02, www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/12/15/royal-commission-reflections-of-sexual-abuse-survivors.
Many of these articles I have included focus on physical, emotional and sexual abuse which took place in some state run institutions in some countries. My point is, that unless whistleblowers are protected, there are good protocols and investigations carried out as well as appropriate enforcement measures, these horrid conditions could occur again. I am not trying to cover up or excuse abuses in the Catholic Church. It’s like trying to deny the Holocaust. You can’t because of the dearth of evidence about. The fact is that when it suits some human beings, wherever there are no reporting mechanisms or authority or laws operating to prevent such terrible damage from happening, then they will continue abusing other people. It’s an ugly facet of human nature, like cruelty to animals. Some people will decide to be cruel and others won’t.
This is truly heart wrenching.
Terrible record of mistreating living children, while opposing responsible birth control
So slaughtering millions of kids in the womb on the basis of where they reside before they even get a chance if life is ok with you?.
Got it.
god bless this woman setting those wee souls free by telling there story, my grandmother was put in a home like this it angers me to hear this luckily family in england were able to take her child but they left her in that home for a year after, she had a fear of rats until the day she died she said they ran over them at the home she wouldnt speak anything else about it
Zodiark 77 "his followers did this" you summed up your comment in that sentence. Yes, it was his "followers" (not really his followers. I don't think God made a plan for this to happen or wanted this to happen) but did God tell these people to go through with this?
So you must be joking
All in the name of....?
23 and me should offer free DNA testing for the whole town - maybe they could reunite some of these families.
That’s a great idea although theres a lot of controversy among genetic testing, they’d have to make sure they chose the right comoany
DNA testing is a scam, it doesn't really work. It is mostly guesswork and very inaccurate.
the government should buy it. Terrible idea to have the company provide that much testing.
@Yeshua is Lord. I used the 23andMe DNA test, and it did show all my relatives who took that test previously.
Then have their DNA on file for the government to have easy access to yeah ok never freely give away your DNA
What a disgrace -the hypocrisy of religious control 😡 where’s the godly love in that horror show? Shame on the Catholic Church and shame on the government and their complicity in the neglect , harm and death cause to these poor children.
Shame on you.
July, 2021: it's almost like the church has a systemic problem....
Devastating. Horrible. How could the Church do something so horrendous? And, get away with it?
Beth Poole because we let it.
lack of compassion. it's hard to explain the generational trauma in this country over how the church and the state have treated women but it contributes to a society in which any new revelation is greeted by jeers and complaints that the church is being scapegoated by militants, even while most irish people are absorbing the shock. a society in which pregnant people are expected to carry dead foetuses to term, in which a dead woman was put on life support in case her pregnancy was viable and another woman denied life because her doctor refused to abort her baby even though it was legal. i think the root is disgust borne from fear. the catholic church made people fear but they also invited them to make distinctions. it invited people to turn on each other to gain favour. it made itself integral to the community of rural areas and then used priests to control the whole social structure of towns and parishes and to police the behaviour of every member of the community. Eventually we turned on each other and the results of that are plain. Like that idea of the panopticon: a perfect prison where no one knows if they are being watched and eventually begin to behave the right way out of fear.
Do you really think people to believe an Australian 'news source' over actual Irish people who lived in this home who can testify the abuse that went on?
all religions are blind lost and stupid. religion is man made.
It did not do anything horrendous. This is part of a PR campaign designed to break down Ireland's beliief in itself, It is financed by billiionaires and others with an agenda to remake Ireland.
I was an orphan in St Joseph`s orphanage in Halifax Nova Scotia, I know what the nuns were capable of.
Tell it!
I'm sorry you went through that.
Have you heard if the notorious irish nun Sr Clare Crocket?
@@uncatila I knew a sister Clare, when I was five this sister Clare pumped a bunch of salt fro a shaker in my mouth, I didn’t know her last name, she ended up as mother superior at mount st Vincent in Halifax.
@@blairmartin6818 the best days of my life were when I had my own bunk in the Catholic orlhinage. I loved the chow.
This makes my heart wrench. My guts sink and my soul cry.
Ms. Corless you did outstanding work for humanity
Never a hug or a kiss or a kind word in their little lives, suffer little children indeed.
@Elizabeth Orr well, that totally justifies starving infants to death and throwing them in a sewer tank.
I come from small mining village in south wales when ABERVAN disaster happened yes mankind doing BUT THE VICARS WORDS SUFFER.little children to come unto me say the lord.well he got a couple of black eyes repeatable.after that.as the parents of those children were angry thier 4 year olds just came from morning assembly praying to god above before minutes to thier death.so I'm sorry but priests vicars etc should choose words very carefully when a disaster happens involving children.they had nearly all lost a generation
As a parent I can imagine the pain the mother suffered when her baby was taken
I got to know an irish man last year before the pandemic. He recently told my mother that he was staying at one of these places with his single mother. He also told her that he was stolen when he was a couple of months old by a woman, the woman that he has called “mother” for his whole life.
That is just so sad. Did he ever get to meet his biological mother?
@@smc25701 nope, I don't think so. I don't even know if he knows who she is.
I can't imagine how children suffered from them.😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I'm proud to be Irish, but this is the great shame of our country and so many are so furious with what was done in our towns to our people. The church as an institution is quickly losing its power in Ireland and good riddance.
I encourage you to be a light in the darkness. Be part of a Christian community and don't judge other religions for their differing views.
Michelle Dax I don’t judge religion, or people of a religion. I judge a building, an institution. One that continues to commit and get away with horrific crimes.
Good riddance? Churches, Christians, fought for the freedom of slaves in the 1800s. So you want to say “good riddance” to the ideas and fundamentals that were at the forefront of the abolition movement?
Annagrams15 !!!!
Have you ever read the bible? About the slaves that god said was okay? About the millions god murdered?
Cadence James I’m Christian, so yeah I have read the Bible. Firstly, which verse directly says that God told them to have slaves, or praised those who did? Secondly, he killed the people because they were morally unjust. He didn’t do it for pleasure, he did it to prevent sin from becoming rampant.
Hid them away? How the Catholic Church murdered hundreds of children should have been the true title!
Careful with the hate speech, amigo.
There no basic to that but i bet you voted for abortion, through.
@@wolfthequarrelsome504 hate speech? True statement is what I made,,, you are a strange person
John Richardson I think that if they would've titled it that way, the video would've most likely be taken down. If you search for something like "Catholic church + something bad" you'll get zero videos about it.
@@zairnermuller4960 yes I understand that you are correct,, I am not blaming the uploader
@@wolfthequarrelsome504 what's wrong with voting for abortion?
It's horrifying to think of the suffering those kids went through. I hope there is a heaven where then can feel the happiness they deserve.
Wow, god bless those babies! And all the people who went on to live a good life after such a horrible start!
The Church's lack of basic humanity never ceases to amaze me.
Not all catholic a are like that, don’t be mean
@@shouldacomewithawarninh4974 notice how Alice didn't say "Catholic's lack of basic humanity never ceases to amaze me" but "*THE CHURCH'S* lack of humanity never ceases to amaze me"
The Church- organization
Catholics-practitioners
its almost as if you cant read
annika hopp lol Alice never uttered the word catholic in their sentence why you so pressed man
Priests vicars are all wolves in sheepskin clothing I'm disgusted that after the findings they were all still protected and covered up the church the goverment and the evil carry thier prophets away to hide like the rats they are
Although there are several incidents of corruption in the church it doesn't mean the church as a whole is evil. Im from a nice catholic church in India. The priests and everyone are very kind and good people.
When a man was still a child, his grandmother always told him: "Grandson, when you grow up, there will be times you will not feel good at heart - you go to church, you'll always feel easier there."
When he grew up, at a one-time life became completely unbearable. He remembered the advice of his grandmother and went to the church.
And there someone comes up to him: "You're not holding your hands the correct way!" The second person runs up: "You're not standing in a correct place!"
The third grumbles: "you are not dressed properly!" Behind him, someone pulls his shirt: "you're crossing yourself the wrong way!" And finally, someone comes up to him and said:
- You should leave the church, buy yourself a book about how you should behave in church after you learn it all, then you can go to church. The man came out of the church, sat down on a bench and wept bitterly. And suddenly he hears a voice:
- What are you, my child, crying about?
The man lifted his tear-stained face and saw Christ.
He speaks:
- Lord! I'm not allowed to enter the church!
Jesus embraced him:
"Do not cry, they have not let me in there for a long time now."
I LOVE THIS STORY!!!!! Thank You for sharing, it put a smile of happiness on my face and reminded me of my faith😊
LD cakes : wow what a coment . May God blessed you always.
Just love it! Thanks for sharing the true!
Thank you for the story
God bless you.
Heart-breaking. Absolutely heart-breaking.
I don't know how I got here but this video is really sad. RIP to all those little angels!! 🙏
Peter Mulryan did not ask to be born, but we are glad he was, and survived through adulthood.
I very nearly became one of those poor children, when my mother became pregnant outside of marriage, but thankfully my parents agreed to marry at the last minute. I shudder to think of how my life would've turned out had this not happened.
@ You missed the point, perhaps you don't understand English. Catriona meant that if her mother and father had not got married in time for her birth, she shudders to think what would have happened to her.
@ she would have been born in one of those institutions, and starved and neglected like the rest, and dumped in a sewer instead of being buried.
They transfered me to the laundry because I caused trouble in the stair well.
Hose and Fredreco bum rushed me when I was playing Bach tales on the intercome.
Thank your parents with love
@@jeanettereynolds3151
Our secular world is much safer. Being a baby moma is so much more romantic. Then if a woman gets pregnant again the aborted baby can be used in making Vacines
Thank you Catherine Corless for your tireless work. Thank you sinead o Connor for highlighting this long before many had the courage to. I’m Irish and the Catholic Church need to stop the misogny and homophobia
Ms Corless deserves recognition for her good work. Those poor little souls who did no wrong and were given such cold harsh treatment by a organisation who proclaimed to follow Jesus. Shame on them all.
Tuam sounds like tomb, how fitting...
Kree Mentz45 *pedophiles, and also, don’t judge a religion based on a person who follows it. For example, let’s say you’re atheist. Guess who also was an atheist? Hitler. By your logic, atheism is evil due to having an evil person follow it.
Tuam in irish its tuaim it means mound or burial place (tomb)
what a travesty..............
@Snowbird there are 1.2 billion Catholics for your information,the saint!!!
I live close by. It is a sad story from a sad time. There are many in Ireland like that and also elsewhere.
Catherine, I have enormous respect for the tenacious way you pursued this, and all the work you did to expose the truth. Heartfelt best wishes to all the survivors of that hellish place, and to the men who discovered this when they were kids in 1972. To all the babies, R.I.P.
Those children and babies are in good hands. They're in Heavenly Father's care.
The women were punished for being unmarried, but the men who were the fathers were never chastised. This is still just the fault of a woman. It really is heartbreaking. The horror births these women went through were also unimaginable, my mind can’t even comprehend their anguish and suffering 😢
All because of a Hebrew notion of how the Earth was formed, and who was in it...Eve's fault of course!
Thank you for sharing this video
It is very sad that they didn't bury the children properly.
F. OPE what?
What the heck would a "proper" burial do for abused children"
These children were abused, neglected, ill fed and ostracised because their mothers had "disgraced" themselves.
They died because the Catholic Church abused them.
And you think it's sad they didn't ha e a proper funeral.
Just shut up.
BadcatV smith Yes I do, because it shows that the people didn't care. After all, there is little to do now but remember, care and respect their memories.
F. OPE what?
And that's just what the religious authorities are looking for.
A way to validate themselves.
"We abused and mistreated them in life but there's a memorial to their lives now - very short, painful lives - but we can forget the why's and the who's because we've allowed a memorial to them......"
No.
Let's sort out the who and the why - then we can put their victims to rest.
BadcatV smith What? How is building a memorial forgetting? Much the contrary. Tell that to the japanese on the comfort women memorial issue - that the south koreans are building them to forget. Or the confederate memorials, that are for anything but forgetting. Anyway, my point was not that, but rather that them not having a proper burial is an evidence of how they were sadly seen as less worthy than others - now, of course you should punish those who did anything illegal, like abuse etc, but you should also honor the memory of the children like you do when there are people who suffered for something you can not fix and don't want to repeat.
F. OPE let's resolve the issue before we rush forward to raise a memorial.
Let the world know - tell the truth.
Name and shame those who were involved, those who supported this and those within the law who ensured it could continue unabated.
Then work out exactly WHO it is we're being asked to remember. They weren't "the children" - they were individuals, abused, malnourished and allowed to die. Then thrown away like dross.
So let's have all the facts in the open - and an honest attempt to identify those who were made to suffer and die, before we raise a memorial to "them" - and turn away - relieved it's been "dealt with".
The medical assessment indicates systematic starvation.
TKS a Lot for letting us know!
If you’re in London, a trip to the Foundling Museum is very interesting and incredibly sad. Women and children torn apart, and their stories heard as you walk about.
What a tragedy. My heart goes out to the lost children and their families, may they find peace.
I live in Ireland and my grandmother actually went into one of these homes to have my uncle. She was still with my grandad, but because she wasn’t married it was seen as a sin. She couldn’t bear the thought of loosing my uncle, so she managed to escape with him. She was extremely lucky, I genuinely don’t know how she did it, but she is so determined. It’s so frustrating knowing that people’s children were taken from them just because they aren’t married. Even more frustrating is that this happened not too long ago. There is no words to describe how these actions made by my country in the past make me feel. Thank god it’s not like that anymore.
Niamh Clarke your uncle would be your mothers brother. your comment makes no sense
This isn´t new...they are still doing this everywhere...look at the Trump administration by taking the kids away from parents...what do you think are happening to them? Alot of them have been lost or "disappeared"...it´s an ongoing thing...there are pedophile rings all over the world and they have infilitrated the church...it´s not the true church but evildoers in the church..
@@luxetveritas4633 legal immigration is a totally different concept than being snatched from ur parents just bec they arent married. Of course that's cruel and cold hearted to be separated from ur parents just bec u were born out of wedlock. These men and women did nothing wrong. However people crossing the border ILLLLEGALLY are wrong. Yes a better system of immigration is needed but its totally unacceptable to jump and pushing down fences hitting border patrol officers.
@@dinamule1119 I totally agree with that...illegal immigration is wrong and people should accept the consecuences of thos unrighteous actions but that still doesn´t justify the immoral actions of the government...
@@amberlyelizabeth um, yes it does make sense. A parent of the author must be the younger sibling of the said "uncle", and both were children of the grandparents mentioned above.
Pray for the Native Canadian children who may never be known by name.
In Poland, on yt: "Don't tell anyone" and "Hide and seek" - so shocking documentary set in Poland in the 90th about Polish cc
I was born in Sean Ross Abbey Orphanage. I may have been born out of wedlock but I am NOT illegitimate.
@Elizabeth Orr Don't be so daft.
This hypocrite world may label you, but you are a precious creation of Yahuah and you are blessed to make it through compared to others who didn't. You are here because there is a purpose in your life, more special, seek Yahuah God through Yahusha ( Jesus). He is coming sooner.
You are as legit as everybody else. You are a product of nature!
My mom, who was a Catholic told me there are no illegitimate babies only illegitimate parents. Not the kids fault!!
Elizabeth Orr what kind of monstrous vial person are you. To taunt people. Unchristian! Unworthy of any Christian love!
Thank you Catherine for exposing this horrendous crime. You are a true hero
Hope the Indigenous in Canada don't think they are the only ones suffered thanks to the church and state.
Suffer not the little children...RIP dear ones...your story has been told...you are not forgotten
And then someone will say" theire is no such thing as evil" yeh man what ever helps you sleep at night
religion invented their good and evil
Who says that? I have yet to find one adult who believes that
Well, we believe that making people suffer is evil. There's nothing in the universe that dictates that that is correct, but it's good that we believe that. Good and evil is just a matter of perspective. If a cow or a pig knew what would happen to it, they would consider meat eating humans as just as evil as you (and I for that matter) consider the nuns.
What is good for one, might be evil for another.
Edit:
It's important that we agree on what is evil and what is good to live together happily. What I'm saying is that there's no objective good and evil.
Yes it’s hard to sleep at night knowing what kids are taught in our state schools these days and what our medical profession is doing to our kids.
Just to update this tragic situation the government have granted permission to excavate and exhume the site in Tuam to try and identify and rebury the remains which is a great step forward to redeem some form of justice for these poor children and mothers
At long last x
Please update the findings on here.
Too little, too late
Such a sad story. Can't imagine how it must have been for the children. My God. How terrible.
This was so sad. I feel horrible for any child that was stuck there. 😢
My mum survived this joint, and thanks to london fire brigade got the the support she needed.
good to hear ,
Hugs and blessings to you and your mother.
I hope she is healthy happy and full of joy now.
There was a convent in St. Louis Missouri where priests impregnated nuns; and when the babies were born, they were killed and buried around/under the convent. The remains were discovered when the place was torn down. I read an online article about it maybe 3-5 years ago, but suspiciously, I cannot find it now.
Grace is Amazing! It was an Isolated case, as of this one, and I hope you do not judge Christianity or Catholicism based on this. God bless!
They will.
Annagrams15 !!!! This is not Isolated. It was all over Europe. Don’t let ur blind faith stop u from seeing the truth
What a scandal. It sounds like a movie plot. Please post it if you find it.
@@Liuhuayue there is an amazing movie based on this called the magdalene sisters. as an irish person i have seen it probably 10 times even though it is frankly painful to watch. if you ever get the chance to watch it i highly reccommend it.
God Bless all the babies, children and families involved.
Oh wow that is heart breaking!