Leeds' Jesse Marsch is not what people think he is
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Introducing Tifo’s new Writer & Presenter, Jon Mackenzie…
When Jesse Marsch was appointed as Marcelo Bielsa’s replacement at Leeds United he was touted as an evolution tactically, similar in style, but more refined.
But is that what his coaching style is really like?
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Things to note here: Jesse Marsch is far from wedded to the 4222. Rather, he believes shape should be fluid to accomplish the goals of the match plan in pressing. And he has no problem changing the formation in-match to accomplish this (see the Salzburg vs Liverpool UCL match, where he shifted formation to counter Liverpool's buildup, and it spurred their comeback). He's used 3131, 4222,442 diamond, and variations of the 4141/433 hybrid.
Yes, Jesse Marsch *tends* to play more directly. He is not concerned about possession. But that's because he believes in using what Germans call, "The Intentionally misplaced pass," as a press trigger. Balls are played in predictable areas of the pitch to force the opposition (should they win that ball) to play straight into the pressing trap. And to do so without the advantages of having an organized build-up, since the most dangerous time for any team in possession is the first 6 seconds after the ball is won.
Jesse Marsch, in numerous interviews, admitted he was playing pragmatically at the end of last season. That there were elements of his play that the time constraints and realities of the situation he inherited meant he had to sacrifice for the sake of present efficiency and simplicity.
Finally, I would say that you oversimplified Leeds' statements about the similarities between Bielsa and Marsch. They clearly stated that Marsch was not a Man v Man press advocate. And made the statements of their similarities primarily around the value of youth development and proactive, positive play. Those were the areas Marsch himself highlighted when asked in interviews on the subject.
Interesting take, but Liverpool still won that match.But they gave Liv a match Haaland and Taki were instrumental in that game
Agree with everything you said but developing youth for Bielsa? Don’t get me wrong he transformed Phillips, Dallas, Harrison etc. But he still went with Roberts over Gelhardt, Forshaw over Bate etc. Not to mention the Drameh situation.. Marsch is a bit more youth protected IMO
@@jameslarkin327 Rubbish. I can't even be bothered to list the youth players that Bielsa played this season because you'd say 'that was because of injury'. You'd be right but you'd still miss the point.
The video analysis is spot on. I'm not quite sure I see the pragmatism you do. He was playing Rapha as a right back, to allow him width, for a number of crucial games, totally blunting his offensive qualities (he plays on the right of a front three for Brazil for Pete's Sake!!!).
Marsch stopped doing that in the last game to some extent (Rapha was still asked to play inside) but it was sacrificing an obvious offensive weapon on the altar of his tactical system. I don't happen to like this narrow formation. It's gegenpressing just as it's going out of style. If you want to see a true pragmatist have look at Klopp and his stylistic evolution.
Anyhow, as a Leeds fan I hope he is successful. I just have my doubts. Nice fella though.
In the last 2 games, Marsch went away from the Redbull 4-2-2-2 to more of a 4-1-4-1, using Harrison and Raphinha as more orthodox wingers. This also helped defensively, because with the narrow formation your fullbacks are not going to get much help from the wingers and the fullbacks need to be a lot better than ours are.
It's impressive how many fullbacks you have with none of them being good. You'd be safely upper midtable with good full backs and a decent backup striker.
@@otto_jk Quantity doesn't equal quality. Ayling and Dallas, got promoted with us 2 years ago. Ayling is solid, without being outstanding. Dallas has a long term injury, which leaves question marks over his future. Drameh is young, looked really good on loan at Cardiff. But has at least 2 in front of him in the pecking order, and looks thoroughly pissed off. Koch filled in at RB after Ayling's red card for the last 2 games and looked OK. Shackleton was a midfielder filling in at RB and looked lost at times. The only real option at LB was Firpo, who pretty much got thrown into the deep end. Having to learn a pretty much unique defensive system against some of the best players in the world. Because there was really no other options, he got hung out to dry week after week. New signing Kristensen looks good, so hopefully that's RB. They just have to work out what to do at LB.
@@otto_jk Really ? we literally have 1 right back and 1 leftback and a youngster in drameh at RB, we have players who fill in but they are not fullbacks by trade
i think our team would be good in 4-1-4-1 without man marking.
Now that you are getting Kristensen and Aaronson who are well-versed in Marsch's style of play, it looks like he's going to have a go at the 4-2-2-2 again. Interesting to see if those two players and the rest of the team can make it work in the PL.
Hi, Leeds fan here.
I think anyone coming in to replace a legendary figure was always going to have every single element of themselves hyper analysed and picked apart in real minute detail. I've heard people saying that he's terrible at his job and should even have been fired so soon after starting because everything hasn't instantly become fantastic.
I do however think that he's proved himself recently and that everyone should get off his back and stop booing him.
Alex is gone and Jon is a decent replacement.
MOT ALAW
You had us in the first half, not gonna lie
Funny lol😂
This is the most Leeds United thing I’ve seen in a while, respect
worth noting that a major reason leeds stayed up was marsch's willingness to be flexible on this ideal of centrality - that last two games saw Raphinha and Harrison playing much wider than he'd been trying previously. Don't think it's a conincidence that they were probably the two best attacking performances of the 12 games he had.
The best performances (Villa aside) were immediately after Bielsa went. When we played Bielsa ball, without the man marking and had the famed new manager bounce. Leicester and Wolves. It's been a steady decline since.
He got incredibly lucky in the last game at Brentford. They went down to NINE men and equalised with ten men. Then we scored a winner deflected from 25 yards. He parked the bus with 25 minutes to go, went 5 at the back. We completely surrendered the ball and invited them onto us. Awful performance. Had Brentford not lost 2 players we'd have likely lost the game. Even when they went down to 9 we struggled to keep the ball and get on top.
@@cockoffgewgle4993 Yep, I don't know why so many people think we are being unfair to him, the performances when trying to play his way have been shocking.
@@cockoffgewgle4993 Well, at that point in the match, Burnley had gotten one back but were still losing to Newcastle 2-1, and even had Burnley tied Newcastle, if Leeds held onto their lead, Leeds would escape relegation. So it made sense to park the bus to protect the lead. Leeds don't exactly have the skill based players to dominate possession like Man City or Barca with Spanish tikki takka.
@@gandalfgreyhame3425 You don't need to dominate possession though, just keeping a positive momentum goes a long way, sitting back and inviting pressure is rarely a good idea, especially with a defence as leaky as ours was last year.
And come on, it was against 10 (then 9) men, any half-decent side should be able to more than hold their own in terms of possession against a team with such a disadvantage.
Plus, we did the same thing against Norwich and would've thrown away a win if not for a very late winner.
You are missing the fact that the whole team was knackered last season due to Bielsa ball. Go back and watch videos of the last two seasons. The previous season we were out running everyone. Last season from the very first game, we were being out run. Bielsa only has one method of playing and when the other teams wise up to his methods, he didn't have a plan b. He did extremely well getting us out of the championship, but he was also taking us straight back down. Keeping selecting Roberts and having a tiny squad was criminally negligent. Jesse inherited a team full of injuries and players not up to premiership level. Next season with the new players is when he should be judged. My money is on him doing a better job than Bielsa.
I like that you couldn't bring yourself to pick Rodrigo in midfield.
Considering we expect to lose Raphinha, and there is talk of interest in Harrison, Marsch will be able to bring players in that better suit his system. If one (or both) do stay, Marsch has shown he will change his system to suit his players strengths. Something Bielsa would never do.
Interesting breakdown. In a way, it almost makes me even more excited for what Brendan Aaronson can bring to Leeds next season. He plays as an 8/10 for Salzburg but usually as a winger for the USMNT. So I think that experience of both positions (and his previous experience with Jesse) will make him a perfect add to the 4/triple 2 system and this concept of “wingers” who also play centrally, if Leeds continue to go like that.
Absolutely. He has played In that system very successfully.
He's been playing as an 8/10 with the US team the last few weeks.
@@Senaleb Yeah, and it’s been something I’m very happy to see, but he’s usually been a winger for his national team. And with how good he’s been for the red white and blue, we know what he can do while pressing out wide.
Aaronson has looked best for the US as a 10/attacking midfield. I expect that will be his role at Leeds. Very excited to see if he can start and make a difference in the EPL. Kid is an absolute lightning bolt on the field. His energy is fantastic. He can give a team a lot of life off the bench as well.
Aaronsen would have been an exciting signing under Bielsa. Bielsa improved players like no other manager. We needed a 10 and Aaronsen is young and has a great work ethic and fitness levels, it seems.
But the Yank is a joke of a manager and he'll be gone within 18 months.
I was a bit worried Jon would struggle to replace Alex but this was excellent. He explained the difference in the two styles so simply.
The man had 12 games to keep Leeds up (and preserve Bielsa's legacy in the process), and he did it. That is all that really mattered last season.
As far as what to look for going forward, Marsch does prefer narrowness and more direct, vertical play from his attackers. However, the analyst neglected to mention that fullbacks in his system are expected to supply the width in place of wingers.
Jesse Marsch was meant to come in after the season was over, whereupon he would have an offseason to make personnel changes and mold the team to his system. the owners, however, were worried about relegation and convinced him to come in early to try to avoid it, which he did. he now has the summer transfer window to begin to alter the personnel.
Good to see one of our own hit the big time! Well deserved John
This video is spot on, I cannot understand why Marsh was sold to us as a similar style to Bielsa.
Cause he's ortas mate....
They had to say that. To stop the fans having canarys and crying like babys. Getting rid of Bielsa.
Interesting to see the next season with the new players
Tactic-wise, Bielsa and Marsch are good enough, but Leeds' players quality still couldn't accomodate the tactical aspect in order to achieve expected result. TLDR: Leeds have Prem-quality manager but with majority Championship-quality players.
They were heavily overachieving with Bielsa for the most part so I wouldn't be surprised to see them regress to their mean and become a yo-yo club like Norwich
@@DS-bz4mz they look busy in the transfer market. If Marsch is backed with money they will be OK.
Mentioning Bielsa and Marsch in the same sentence is criminal. Bielsa is a God. The Yank is a nobody, a marketing product. Bielsa should still be here.
This guy again 😴
@@kelvinengland3991 Don't like simple facts, don't respond, buttercup.
Good breakdown mate. Glad I’ve stumbled across this channel
Woh, congrats on the new gig, Jon! Enjoyed your stuff on All Stats Aren't We for a while
As a Yank new to Leeds, I appreciate this analysis very much. Really hoping Leeds can do something in EPL this year. Excited for American international opportunities!
As someone from Leeds and a Leeds fan for 20 years gotta ask why us? Not a dig Can appreciate why people outside of Leeds supported us 20 years ago or 30 years but you're in for one hell of a roller coaster ride. Welcome to the fandom.
YES JON!!!!!! Great work pal.
Great content, thanks Jon!
excellent analysis... thanks so much
Truly astounded to see a Willians Astudillo shirt on tifo
The Willians Astudillo shirt is outstanding
Rocking that Astudillo T-shirt!
Props on the background music.. and all the interesting football stuff too… but damn that music was groovy and cool
Im not a Leeds fan but I’m surprised to learn that the club explained Bielsa and Marsch as similar coaches as you alluded to. Marsch is a product of the Red Bull type of football, pretty different from the way Bielsa’s teams play.
either way I think it wouldn’t be unfair to say that Leeds had to deviate from Bielsa ball for the long term health of the club. As cool as it is to watch it certainly seems like it’s hard to maintain over time.
I’m not a Chelsea fan but thanks for letting us know you’re not a Leeds fan 👍🏽 completely irrelevant to the rest of your comment but very cool
I’m not a Leeds fan but I watched this video
@@ededdandeddytv5164 I'm not an Ed, Edd and Eddy fan but I concur with your sentiment.
Coming from an alan partridge fan.
@@lukemclellan2141 fool 😭
@@ededdandeddytv5164 “blah blah blah” - man that watches programming for children
Can you guys explain Potter's system he used towards the end of the season playing one traditional CB and Cucurella as LCB and Veltman as RCB, who got forward like wingbacks??! Seemed to be a really effective system. Not sure how it worked exactly. Cheers!
I'm quite excited that we have a baseball fan on the Tifo staff now!
This is like when a young players scores on his first team debut
Really good first video, Jon!
i understand you need to make videos that attract viewers, but we do not know what Marsch will bring to Leeds. we know how he can triage a team someone else built to save them from relegation. (and let's not forget he was without his striker & without Phillips most of the time). but the first two signings of this summer show that Leeds will be a different team next year, and then we'll know what a Marsch team at Leeds looks like. but for now, we can only guess and extrapolate from what he did under emergency circumstances.
Love this analysis. Really interesting. Cheers.
Thanks that was very informative
Jon, fantastic presentation for your first IRL
Great video and simple explanations. Worried that if we get off to a poor start it could go wrong very quickly for Marsch. I think the appointment looking back to February was a shambles and completely killed what was good about our game plan in possession. Marsch tried to do too much too soon offensively but did implement a better defensive structure and try to relieve the intensity. Time will tell but I'm not optimistic about the season.
great video, I find it strange that Jesse played so narrow and didn't utilise the strengths of the team, however he got the results to keep us up and reduced the number of goals conceded. Let's see what happens with more players suited to this style.
Great explanation ... And no ridiculously drawn player images too 😀
This was great, but I just wanna know where Jon found that Willians Astudillo shirt because that's awesome.
The wide, man marking, possession based system wasnt working in 21/22 either. Im not defending Marsch but Leeds was a mess all season.
Neat comparison thanks
Marsch played the cards he had, against the teams he was facing. Looking forward to next season a lot.
Good analysis and a fantastic shirt.
marsch uses the red bull brand of football which is also similar to his predecessor hasenhuttl and ragnick and the only similarity with bielsa is probably the pressing
was not expecting a willians astudillo shirt fair play sir!
Aaronsen taking Raphinhas position when he's sold and possibly adding Puig would make it a Marsch team. The squad isn't miles away but I do have concerns on the figures spent on single players. There's value to be had like Puig and a bigger squad needed to avoid burnout.
If Aaronson takes Raphinas position (as winger) relegate them now
@@AmericanInLeeds did you watch the video or like commenting with ignorance?
@@salsabila786 raphinha is LUFCs best player and Puig is going to be playing champions league soooooooo. What's your point?
@@AmericanInLeeds watch the video, analyse and use your brain
@@salsabila786 I’ll watch the video it’s the “using of my brain” part I can’t promise. Also you Watch Rafphinah. He’s incredible. Going to be a regarded as a top winger after the World Cup
Dope music. Doper Analysis 🔥🔥
Great vid
Never thought to see a la tortuga shirt on tifo but I love it
Great analysis.
Leeds can be a midtable team if they bring on a little bit more quality at the back.
Mmm, its feels like everyone else will be better also, so im not sure about mid-table by next years end
@@monrow1961 I think Everton will freefall, and how many times can Southampton be looted before they spiral further. Leeds if defense is shored up are likely better than all the promoted clubs.
That's around 15th. CP and Arsenal are wildcards. So is my club Utd.
I expect Leeds, Brighton, and Wolves to be 9-12.
I'll have to wait and see what he's doing in the upcoming season. When he gets the players he wants, what kind of results will come out? But I believed in him after seeing a lot of good quality signings in various positions.
🔥that willians astudillo shirt 🔥
as a Minnesota Twins fan from Minnesota, I *love* the Willians Astudillo tshirt.
Same here. How did he get one of those (and why?)
JJ looks very different today
Havent tuned in for a while what happened to alex steward?
@@marko9463 he left
This is Seb
Omg is that a WILLIAMS ASTUDILLO shirt what a crossover
I'm a Leeds fan. The first 20+ games of the season, Beilsa's team had no possession whatsoever. They only started having possession when they were 2 or 3 goals down.. So I'm a bit doubtful of your analysis. Interesting hook tho
Just because we failed to achieve our plan doesn't mean that Jon's incorrect about Bielsa's principles
@@GranmargYGO if anything, Marsh retains possession more in critical periods than bielsa. I find that bielsa's obsession with forward passes makes the team highly predictable
@@louislaw85 Yep from the first day of last season, everyone had wised up to us. Bielsa was unable to change once his methods to compensate. His only answer was to keep playing Roberts in the hope he would turn in to the next Maradona.
With Marsch's name in contention for the Celtic job after Ange's inevitable departure, this was helpful John. Does make me think how our current squad would adapt to this from high and wide wingers with inverting fullbacks though. The back line decides itself, because the system is so narrow it makes me wonder how the likes of Maeda, Jota and Abada would fair 🤷♂
Love the Willians Astudillo shirt
Love the shirt
I feel this is a little critical for a manager brought on to save the club and was solely focused on that for the rest of the season. Jesse Marsch gets a lot of passive-aggressive hate from the Tifo podcast team, so lets see what happens next season.
Could you do a video on Darwin Nunez? why Liverpool want him, how he’d fit in at Liverpool etc?
brilliant Jon, which is why there will be lots movement in and out this window. Or that's the hope anyway. Welcome to Red Bull Leeds... Weird that Orta pushed the line that Marcelo/Jesse are so similar..
I miss the "mer-chen-diiiiice" song in the ad that you use to play at the end of videos! 🤪
Im not sure how accurate the goal kick to the cb was, i have done 0 research but my big take from this season was watching meslier pump it straight to full backs or wingers
It was better earlier in the season before the injuries got completely out of hand but in the later stages...
From goal kicks, we had no outlet. Any time we played it to the cb's, the midfielders were usually already closely marked and not moving to pick up the ball - they were either totally static or likely to lose possession almost immediately (or both in Rodrigo's case), we had no players willing or capable of challenging for the ball in the air in the centre of the pitch - so pumping it wide was arguably the best option (which didn't work either).
As for the fullbacks, they had the same problem as the cb's with the lack of movement in the middle of the pitch - just no passing options and they'd usually lose possession attempting to run forwards on their own.
It looked shambolic and clueless - you could tell Meslier was pretty frustrated by the lack of options.
Ideally we'll play out from the back but have a less broken/crap set of midfielders to use as well as a ST a bit taller than Dan James to provide options.
Like the video, I'm a Leeds fan and yep agree with the analysis
Is that a Willians Astudillo shirt? Unreal shirt.
Hey, he got the job done, I don't give a damn what tactics he had to use to do it, he inherited a mess, and kept Leeds up.
Imagine that, Leeds lost 3 games at the end to City, Chelsea, an Arsenal…huge shock those results were 🤦♂️!! Hey and imagine that, Marsch had to continually adapt before games and during games to scrape Leeds out of regulation. With players that he doesn’t prefer in talent and skill he had to do whatever he could to squeeze every last point out of the remaining games.
Marsch had a terrible roster of players and that was proved so many times throughout the season but these are the players Bielsa wanted along w/ his terrible decision to keep a small squad.
you dont no what he is going to play just like us leeds fans dont, i believe he has and will adapt his style
Mate get yourself back here and start scoring for us again. 🤣
Bro has a Willians Astudillo shirt and I couldn’t be happier about it
I enjoyed Bielsa’s style of play. Leeds was really unlucky missing many key players throughout the season. I’d like to see Bielsa at a Europa (Conference) League team.
Marsch took 15 points from 12 games. 1.25 points per game over 38 game season would be 47.5 points. Bielsa 23 points over 26 games. .88 points a game and a lovely 34 points and likely trip down to the Championship League. Maybe Marsch got lucky, maybe his tactics might leave a few fans desiring something different, but he got results when the other guy seemed to bury his head in the sand and avoid the challenge. Now I'm hearing talks that they want him to take over for Southgate. Good luck with that!
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How many times did Leeds actually play 4-2-2-2 under Marsch? It wasn't very often at all - he probably played the 3-4-3 that he tried a few times more often! 4-2-3-1 (Marsch's champions league formation of choice) and 4-1-4-1 were featured more than the 4-2-2-2....Really this is a lot of work for the lazy trop of Marsch plays 4-2-2-2 without paying attention to how Leeds actually played. The only thing that might have been right is the narrowness of the attack, which he also abandoned for the last 2 games
hopefully the new players (3 and more to come) will help
I’ve never seen a Brit who’s into baseball. Fair play though.
Willans Astudillo SZN
Really weird appointment considering the personnel in the squad and the almost entirely different styles between Marsch and Bielsa. Leeds really need to do a lot of work in the transfer market to make this effective. Somehow need to adapt or sell their wingers too, which I really cant see happenning.
All of their wingers is really just Raphinha and Harrison though. And Raphinha have already handed in a transfer request. Not all that hard to see it happening...
@@andrew7taylor and even Harrison used to play as an attacking mid at times back in the MLS. We certainly don't need to buy more wingers even if Raphinha leaves but we don't have too many of them at all
Welome Jon!!!
Wasn’t expecting the new guy to rep La Tortuga.
Narrow doesnt seem like a logical way around opponents, unless you have consistent individual talent, which we dont compared with other PL teams. But I dont know about technicalities of tactics, so may be well off!
Welcome to the mad mad world of TIFO IRL McKenzie.
Good video but most of the players mentioned will probably not be at Leeds next season and the players being brought in play more wide attacking play
I'm probably nitpicking but I couldn't help but notice that Stuart Dallas was missing from your team sheets - he has started almost every game for Leeds in the last 3 seasons up until his injury. I was also wondering what you think an all Ireland team might look like
When Jon's outlining principles the players he uses as labels here don't matter too much.
I don't know who this new man is. But I like him.
Comments are more accurate than the presentation
Dat Bartolo Colón shirt.
Willians Astudillo, although he does look Bartolo Colon-y.
I was worried about Jon replacing Alex, but he immediately comes in with a Willians Astudillo shirt. That's how you make a statement.
You Need to have high fitness to play Jesse's style. All of these new additions can play this system.
I like the La Tortuga shirt
Playing narrow in the Premier league doesn't work... We tried to play it against villa & were soundly defeated, it took Steven Gerrard 15 minutes to suss us out, the football he plays is shocking
I don't think it's incorrect to say Bielsa and Marsch have similarities. Both like a high pressing game that demands huge energy from the players, and like verticality. Sure, there are differences, but consider how hard it was to replace Bielsa - you can't find a carbon copy of him, you have to find a manager that will relate on some things, and try to evolve in a new direction on other things
Alex looks really different. Did he do something with his hair?
can't wait to experience jon's slow but inevitable psychotic break through these videos
Jon coming in strong with the Tortuga shirt. Alex who?
You say Harrison isn't a central player but a wide player!
I'm going to ask you what position Harrison was when he scored Leeds goal v Brentford!
Jon is a bloody good egg
this breakdown really isn't reflective of real world scenario of on game football based on how the team actually played at the end of the season.
Nor is it reflective of the potential line up of wingbacks and inverted wingers.
The American Influence in the Prem let’s go 🇺🇸
What other teams use this style and have success in the premiership