Class AB or Class D amps?

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  • čas přidán 6. 09. 2024

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  • @drPagi33
    @drPagi33 Před 4 lety +83

    I have a lot of amplifiers (approx. 25-30) both tubular and solid state, also vintage, modern and homemade, A AB B D, but the most beautiful sound for me is produced by a simple homemade 6Q7 + 6M6 class A single-end tubular, not loud, but very musical. Sorry for my english, greetings from Hungary.

    • @musicnut1986
      @musicnut1986 Před 4 lety +4

      Your english is just fine. Are the build plans for the single ended amp you describe available in english?

    • @wishusknight3009
      @wishusknight3009 Před 4 lety +2

      @@musicnut1986 look up Baby Huey amplifier. Mine is a bout 8 watts and absolutely as musical as anything I have ever heard.
      www.diyaudio.com/forums/tubes-valves/326920-el34-baby-huey-amplifier.html

    • @richardr.5177
      @richardr.5177 Před 4 lety +2

      Thanks, Sure gonna look into the 6Q7...I have also more amps but to build a new one is always fun.

    • @drPagi33
      @drPagi33 Před 4 lety +1

      @@musicnut1986 Thank you. I have shematic from amplifier block and photos from this amp.

    • @drPagi33
      @drPagi33 Před 4 lety +1

      @@richardr.5177 6Q7 is a double diode+triode tube, I only use the triode section of the tube

  • @f1f278
    @f1f278 Před 2 lety +4

    A survey found that men usually liked either A or A/B amplifiers, and women liked the big D amps....

  • @ArsenicShooter
    @ArsenicShooter Před 2 lety +5

    I got a class AB Rotel RB-1582 and a class D Rotel RB-1572 power amp. I now own them for about 5 or 6 years now and I have to say, they both sound great for the price range. The class D is just a bit more analytical, but absolutely no harshness in any way. The biggest difference in my opinion, is that the class D sound is more « full » at very low volume. All frequencies seem to be more easy to hear than the class AB power amp. But again, the difference is really small and you have to do an A-B comparison to really hear a clear difference. So knowing that this class D isn’t one of the newest models out there, I think that in a few years, they could sound even better than they do now. Class D amps have become so much better and continue to evolve day after day. But after all, some coloration in the sound is kind of a signature. I also own a Rowen and NAD class AB power amps and each one has its specificities that I love. For me it is more a question of taste. Do you like analytical/neutral? Go for this. Do you like warm sounding music? Go for that. 🙂

  • @michaelwright1602
    @michaelwright1602 Před 2 lety +5

    Using the Swedish XTZ ICE Edge A2-400 right now, it drives my KLH Model 5's to the moon with the Cambridge Audio Streamer/DAC/Preamp. You are not just at the concert, you are on the stage in front of the drums next to the bass player. Everything is crisp, but yet has that nice vinyl sound to it (Cambridge), which I like, along with the bass. Very fast amp, the bass hits with no continuation, just like it is supposed to sound. Then I added the two SVS SB3000 subs, that is when the soundstage really exploded.
    The KLH Model 5's are 6 ohm speakers, rated up to 200 watts. The XTZ amp delivers, and feeds the Model 5's enough juice to really open them up, with plenty of headroom left over, this amp is not going to run out of steam anytime soon.
    How much would you have to spend on a Class A/B amp to get the kind of sound, power and headroom the XTZ brings to the table for under $1000? My Emotiva XPA2 has the juice, but it leaves the KLH speakers rather veiled, the XTZ is a much better fit with the Cambridge.
    As I am attempting to point out, I believe much will depend on what you pair an amp like this up with. I am using the Cambridge Audio Network Streamer/DAC/Preamp, which leans just a touch towards vinyl in its sound, which matches perfectly with the uncolored and neutral XTZ Edge A2-400 amp. If I had a preamp that sounded cooler, or was using cooler sounding speakers than the KLH, then I could see using a Class A/B.
    The Class D amps that we have today are pretty hard to beat in regards to value and sound. They continue to get better by the day. Look at Mark Levinson, their flagship amplifier is a Class D. The technology is now there to my mind.
    The other benefit is the size factor. A unit like my XTZ Edge A2-400 looks very nice, and is small enough to easily tuck away for an uncluttered aesthetic look if you are going for a more component free environment. I can't do that with my Emotiva XPA2, which is huge and heavy, I'm not putting that on a shelf behind the TV without doing some major construction to tie into the houses structure to support the beast. I can use a couple of bungie cords and a piece of wood to safely mount the XTZ up and out of the way.
    And I have had other A/B amps from Parasound and some custom $5000 A/B from years ago, I cannot even recall the brand. I simply enjoy the sound I get out of these new Class D amplifiers, and they do not break the bank, or my back if I have to move them. I can tuck them out of the way and forget about them.
    Just my .02

  • @zlac
    @zlac Před 4 lety +9

    I propose a fun experiment, it might make a GREAT video as well!
    1. you set up two listening rooms in the office - one with the best class AB amp you have and one with the best class D amp you have. Connect them as dummy amps that can be seen - but not touched! Use a pre-amp for volume control, they can touch that when listening! Actual amps PLAYING should be the same as the amps that they see, but "behind the curtains"! Have both amps "not clip" at maximum pre-amp "power" and they must be at the same loudness at max (really important)!
    2. have all the people in the office go in and out every day, compare the sound, listen to them and have them fill out the forms with data like: clarity, musicality, distortion, dynamics, timbre, total score, etc. - think of like 10 parameters that can be voted from 1-10 and have someone who will make them fill it up EVERY DAY for 2 weeks! That someone can't know about the actual experiment - tell them it's an experiment on psycho-acoustics and no one is allowed to touch ANYTHING but the volume knob of the pre-amp (if even that?)!
    3. Come back Tuesday night and switch amps that are "behind the curtains" - no one can see that you were even there and cables must look exactly the same as they were the day before!
    4. Switch amps that they can see (but are not playing) over the weekend!
    5. Switch "behind the curtains" amps back the next Tuesday night!
    6. Compare notes "when you're back from vacation" and see if anyone noticed the sound change when they should and didn't when they shouldn't!
    7. Do a reveal and see their reactions.
    -> I reckon that there will be a lot of change in answers on Monday and no statistical evidence that they noticed the Tuesday night swap - BUT - most people will claim after the reveal: "I knew something changed every Wednesday, but didn't wanna say anything because of reason XYZ!" - it's a classic audiophile excuse! :-)
    ... We made a similar experiment on our "audiophile friend" when he bragged about his great new expensive speaker cables - quickly switched them when he went to the bathroom! After he returned and continued bragging about the clarity and musicality of new cables for more than a couple of songs, we revealed that we swapped out his cable and put the cheapest (but still thick) copper cable under the carpet! In the end, he claimed that "he heard something was wrong but didn't wanna say anything so he wouldn't look like an idiot"! :-D
    -> please make a video and respond to this comment after you made the experiment - It MUST be a "double blind experiment" - no one can see you, no one can talk with you about it because it skews the experiment badly! Water Dowsers DO FIND WATER in a single blind experiment - no one can know what you're doing!!!

  • @TorToroPorco
    @TorToroPorco Před 4 lety +9

    Good to see that class D amps are making strides. It’s all about choice and price points and the more alternatives we have the better. Class D appeals to me due to potential space limitations as long as I’m not making a big sacrifice in audio quality. For my budget the M700s are a nice sweet spot.

  • @socleanmx6
    @socleanmx6 Před 4 lety +5

    So I'm a southern 35 year old revived bass head but damn I love listening to you speak and describe the sound ...great job with voice tone modulation to convey the sense of satisfaction. You just picked up a new subscriber.

  • @The_Story_Channel
    @The_Story_Channel Před 4 lety +9

    I use Peachtree Audio class D amps in my office setup and they sound great to my ears.

    • @TheHouheightskid
      @TheHouheightskid Před 2 lety

      Which model? How's the bass? Think it would pair well with Klipsch Heresy IVs?

  • @ThinkingBetter
    @ThinkingBetter Před 4 lety +63

    I prefer Class D for the bass (especially subwoofer) to get max power (dynamics) and class AB for mids and highs to get best precision.

    • @HareDeLune
      @HareDeLune Před 4 lety +5

      Sounds like you would love the Devialet hybrid class A/D amps; except for the price, of course.
      www.stereophile.com/content/devialet-d-premier-da-integrated-amplifier

    • @thang1742
      @thang1742 Před 4 lety +6

      im sure we all, if we wanted a huge sub powered by class a amp we would need a wall transformer haha

    • @ThinkingBetter
      @ThinkingBetter Před 4 lety +1

      ​@@HareDeLune Yes, Devialet is perhaps the most creative company in audio amps lately.

    • @HareDeLune
      @HareDeLune Před 4 lety

      @@ThinkingBetter
      I would love to give one an audition. : )

    • @ThinkingBetter
      @ThinkingBetter Před 4 lety +1

      @@thang1742 Yes, class A makes no sense when you go for a high power subwoofer. I like my Velodyne servo subwoofers. They are class D and with 3000 Watts peak, 1250 Watts RMS. A class D servo subwoofer is likely much more more precise than a class A traditional subwoofer btw :-)

  • @reaality3860
    @reaality3860 Před 4 lety +10

    I have always preferred heavy class A, AB "high-current" amps. The heavier the better! Today class D amps have come a long way, but I still long to hear one that can match or exceed the sound from an old 200 lbs mono "KRELL" amp made in the 1990s. This class D amp to compete with the old "KRELL" may be out there and I just haven't heard it.

    • @reaality3860
      @reaality3860 Před 3 lety

      @@lukerestlessstudios, Thanks! I'll look into it.

  • @BrianPex
    @BrianPex Před rokem +2

    I haven’t dealt with this stuff since the 1990s. Early 90s. In car audio, there was no such thing as D. It was mainly all clean AB high quality and high $$$ amps if you wanted good sound. God I miss those days with clean CD source material as the source. I was 18-19 with a 2600 watt super clean and correctly set up system in my Toyota 4 Runner. Every ride was bliss. Loved it.

  • @QoraxAudio
    @QoraxAudio Před 4 lety +14

    3:09 like a french cook passionately talking about his fancy menu.

    • @QoraxAudio
      @QoraxAudio Před 4 lety +1

      @Fat Rat Yeah, I've seen that already; he said to me in the comments that he drank Windex before doing the recording.
      So that explains a lot I think 😅

    • @thunderpooch
      @thunderpooch Před 4 lety

      @Fat Rat I don't like to Klipsch my Schiit. When I do I have to use a man wipe.

  • @ForgetMeNotArchive
    @ForgetMeNotArchive Před 4 lety +7

    After the pandemic I will driving to psaudio to just meet you paul. Love ur videos

    • @animalmuppetmonster664
      @animalmuppetmonster664 Před 4 lety

      Don't forget to buy some snake oil, from Paul too.

    • @ForgetMeNotArchive
      @ForgetMeNotArchive Před 4 lety +1

      @@animalmuppetmonster664 If you watch my channal you would realize i dont buy anything anymore I have over a dozen herron krell mcintosh pieces which i find time to time I cant afford to spend on modern stuff I will probably not like But i do like Paul I honestly believe he is honest most of the time to the best of his knowledge and experience but sometimes he favours brands like audioquest as he is freinds with them and you can not blame him for that its his channal and if you really dont like him no one will force you to watch but I atleast value all who had to work there way building a business for things we like. I do love he showed his home rack is all emotiva i dont think even he can afford the ps audio good stuff

  • @kartinosurodipo4520
    @kartinosurodipo4520 Před 4 lety +5

    Class AB is a very mature design. However class D is growing very fast. There is a lot of improvement. A single improvement will affect very far better in class D. For example better mosfet datasheet. implementing better feedback, and so on. You will see always a new born better class D for every soon. Then today Class D can stand at same level clarity with class AB.

  • @falconquest2068
    @falconquest2068 Před 4 lety +6

    Wait, did I just hear Paul say class D is okay? I never thought I would hear that. Thanks Paul for your honesty. I'll be looking into those 1200's!

    • @powersonic6255
      @powersonic6255 Před 3 lety

      Wooo Wooo Wooo , hold your horses. Mr Paul is been diplomatic because he sells Class D amplifiers . I mean no disrespect to Mr Paul so let me say that load and clear . If you are looking for long lasting reliable and ruggedly built amplifier I would NOT trust Class just yet or anytime soon . An engineering rule of thumb is simplicity in any design = Reliability .

    • @elpechos
      @elpechos Před 3 lety +2

      I've been noticing a trend that Paul loves anything that moves money from gullible audiophiles into Paul's pocket.
      There's been class Ds available with distortion lower than human hearing can notice across the audio band for a decade, but only when Paul's company sells one does Paul change his mind :P

  • @randomtube8226
    @randomtube8226 Před 4 lety +2

    Most common car audio uses class A/B amplifiers for the mids and highs. Class D amplifiers for subwoofers. Who's to say that it's any different in home audio. However I do prefer full class A monoblocks for full range. In home audio.

  • @super-z8943
    @super-z8943 Před 4 lety +2

    I believe icepower 1200 modules are based on newer ice edge tech, 700 modules being older tech although both these modules were releases together after the ice edge campaign.

  • @20hztremor
    @20hztremor Před 4 lety +3

    Try a current Linear Power car amplifier class AB in a studio or home if you really want to blow your mind 🤯 They are used in some world renowned recording studios today for their pure quality of sound 👌 I would put them against any high end home or studio amp out there.

  • @mastergivenn
    @mastergivenn Před rokem +4

    Thank you Paul. There is a new amplifier technology that recently came out. The producer calls it HS Class. It works with pwm technology like the class D but the pulse is not only width modulated. It modulates the amplitude and the frequency of the pulses as well. Producer declares that the output signal reconstruction is way more precise,especially for the hi frequencies. You, as producer,should test it in your laboratory,for a comparison(maybe secretly..). I am speaking about the ItaliAcoustic HSA-05S.
    All the best.

  • @vivianvaldi7871
    @vivianvaldi7871 Před 4 lety +1

    2 x 25W Class D amp who lives in the BC Acoustique speakers SP-102 BT.
    This active speakers play in the very uncommon broadband speakers family, with a vertical pair of 3' on 4 Ohms for each speakers.
    It has a very interesting external PSU, u can upgrade. I'd go with a 200VA on 16V Linear PSU. But already stunning with the 60 W switching PSU.
    It's rated 86 db, pretty OK for a small room : u have the level of a Jazz Club live session. It goes down to 40 Hz full power... with like a 3 liters enclosure.
    Professor PS Audio, I don't understand how it does that. I guess some internal equalization ? @ 31.5Hz I don't hear anything anymore, that said.

  • @motorhead7271
    @motorhead7271 Před 4 lety +5

    Class D amps are getting better and better but their prices are outpacing their quality. Why would I pay $7k for a class D when I can buy a top notch Class AB amp ( read Bryston) for less then that.

  • @lampenpagulvet5489
    @lampenpagulvet5489 Před 4 lety +2

    I know i am going to be the most controversial here but one of my favorite recievers the huldra 8 reciever is a class b reciever and i love it.the huldra 8 is in my opinion the most beatiful reciever made. It also sounds pretty good especially for being a b class transistor reciever made in 1965.

  • @CoolDudeClem
    @CoolDudeClem Před 4 lety +2

    I have a class T amp, combines the best of both!
    Edit because youtube no longer picks up my spelling errors and I didn't see that i'd spelled "combines" wrong untill now.

    • @arkadiuszmikina4563
      @arkadiuszmikina4563 Před 4 lety

      What make and model?

    • @elpechos
      @elpechos Před 3 lety

      Class "T" is just bullshit marketing for Tripath's class D implementation. Tripath went bankrupt ages ago and their tech is now owned by Texas Instruments anyhow.

  • @reestyfarts
    @reestyfarts Před 4 lety +12

    Class D Red Dragon monoblocks in my main system. Effortless clear power.

    • @wa2368
      @wa2368 Před 4 lety

      Class D = cheap sourced parts, maximum profit for the amp manufacturer (especially the guys selling $$$$ priced class D amps, wink wink).

  • @josephkool8411
    @josephkool8411 Před 2 lety +1

    Maximum respect Mr Paul

  • @thegrimyeaper
    @thegrimyeaper Před 4 lety +9

    I switched from D to AB last week. Never going back.

    • @scottlowell493
      @scottlowell493 Před 4 lety +3

      I switched from a to ab to D. never going back.

    • @marianneoelund2940
      @marianneoelund2940 Před 4 lety +1

      Never say never. Tomorrow's class D will not be the same as yesterday's.

    • @marianneoelund2940
      @marianneoelund2940 Před 4 lety

      @Larry Niles
      Stuck in a rut.

    • @darrens7040
      @darrens7040 Před 4 lety

      hey so did I from NAD to Mcintosh still running in the new amp but all ready am enjoying the sound and warmth a lot more.

  • @xjimmy225x
    @xjimmy225x Před 4 lety +6

    Love my class D. In a perfect world, with unlimited space and unlimited money, I would take a pair of mega AB mono’s but until I win the lottery I’ll continue to play with my NADs

  • @brianmartin281
    @brianmartin281 Před 4 lety +4

    Have a Emerald Physics 100.2 SE Amp Class D love it

  • @gboates
    @gboates Před 4 lety +6

    Word on the street is that Paul sits and listens to his LS50 and Sprout 100 more than anything else ...

    • @mrb3rt811
      @mrb3rt811 Před 3 lety

      He has a shed out back where he secretly enjoys a Bose Acounstimass.

  • @Bluelagoonstudios
    @Bluelagoonstudios Před 3 lety +3

    I like Class D's (the fake ones) they hit my bench a lot, most of the TDAs got roasted. And Capacitor fatigue by the high frequency switching of the SMPS. About 400Khz or more.

  • @carlosbauza1139
    @carlosbauza1139 Před 4 lety +2

    Two Class D Emotiva PA-1 monoblocks are gracing my stereo system since three months ago. Since 1964 I had been using tubes, and Dynaco, and McIntosh transistorized amps. Right now the Emotiva Class D Monoblocks behave so well, I feel NO need for any change, At All.

  • @revelationsoundstudio
    @revelationsoundstudio Před 2 lety +1

    As Class D designs are moving forward, are you considering updating your M300, M700 and 1200 design now that newer technology has come out?

  • @derhilti5677
    @derhilti5677 Před rokem +1

    Hello Mr. Mc Gowan, I find your video and your products very interesting and I would be interested to know what kind of vacuum tubes are used in the M1200 because that makes a very big difference in sound and I also wanted to ask if your products are available in Germany and Is it possible to hear a sample here? Best regards Christian Klemm

  • @s197mustangfan
    @s197mustangfan Před 4 lety +2

    Great guy Paul is! I've messed with well done Class D and some tubes in the mix. My ears like!

    • @GoodVibesOnly1914
      @GoodVibesOnly1914 Před 5 měsíci

      I'm leaning toward this, considering 2 700w buckeye purify monoblocks and a schiit tube preamp, i care about bass and warmth while maybe taming the highs, whats your experience with tubes?

  • @wilcalint
    @wilcalint Před 4 lety +3

    I was wondering. A properly designed Class A/B amp the first 5 or 10 watts are really in Class A. That in that the output transistors are conducting so that the crossover ( transition between the output transistors ) distortion is kept low. If you compare the sound of a Class A/B vs a Class D, in Pauls mind, is it the fact that the A/B at very low levels is really running in Class A?

    • @kirarittberg5088
      @kirarittberg5088 Před 4 lety

      Yes, you are right that at low levels ab is usually class a. I have a triamped system with high efficiency speakers so my mids and highs are being run in class a with ab amps. Possibly my sub may dip into ab territory but without meters I don't know for sure.

    • @elpechos
      @elpechos Před 3 lety

      For the first 10 watts to be in class A the amplifier would need to be drawing about 80 to 110W idle. Pretty awful

  • @giovanni6733
    @giovanni6733 Před rokem +1

    hello
    Why so much power in the M1200? What is the purpose, knowing that there are almost no speakers that work at those watts?
    Thank you
    John

  • @MichelLinschoten
    @MichelLinschoten Před 4 lety +6

    Class d has come a long way. What kills me is that high end brands now tote their “own designs “ for top dollar.
    They cost nothing, a decade or so ago no audiophile would look at class d. And now they talk about how great it is. I predicted this decades ago lol

    • @thunderpooch
      @thunderpooch Před 4 lety

      I have yet to hear what the high priced companies do to the module to make them better. I understand if it's creating a tube input stage. That may or may not work, but at least that's unique enough to understand and up for debate.
      But what do the other companies do to make a class d amplifier better? Do they make their own or alter the module in some special way?

  • @CharlesSelva
    @CharlesSelva Před 4 lety +1

    Hey Paul, what about using the M1200 modules, input signal with 12Au7, and 5687 driver tube with a different variant.

  • @judgegixxer
    @judgegixxer Před 4 lety +4

    I have an old Technics amp from 75' and 3 NAD class D amps from a couple years ago. Which I turn on to listen to depends on what kind of mood im in and what I want to listen to. (If it's a little cold in the room I'll use the Technics, may as well let the music help heat the house. lol)

    • @erikquinn707
      @erikquinn707 Před 4 lety +1

      Hi what NAD amps do you have? I'm interested in purchasing the NAD C388 and was wondering if you have this amp and how it sounds and if you like it if you're familiar with it. Thanks

    • @judgegixxer
      @judgegixxer Před 4 lety +1

      ​@@erikquinn707 I've had two C268's power amps each in bridged mode running their own speaker for awhile and just got a 3rd to run a sub (or 2) I use a C326BEE Integrated Class AB as preamp. They sound nice to me. Low distortion, tight, in control....but kind of sanitized almost too crisp. The Technics SU-8600 is just as punchy as the NADS are when they are in unbridged stereo mode but not as controlled. The dynamic range of the SU8600 is more and it seems brighter. The NADS can't dip as close to infrasound freqs as the old guy. I don't have a C388 or any pure digital sources to plug into it.

  • @RaymondSolo
    @RaymondSolo Před 2 lety +1

    How about with program vs instrument power? I’m still using older Crown AB amps for my Rock bands PA system. I found the newer class D amps just can’t cut it. I mean when it comes to balancing bass-drum with a cranked up Marshall JCM 800 guitar stack not to mention a screaming singer.and booming bass guitar and synth organ sounds. The AB just seems to be able to get the job done on the low/mid, low and sub frequencies.

  • @RPCTVPhilippines
    @RPCTVPhilippines Před 9 měsíci +1

    For MIDRANGE speaker for car audio? Class D will output loud?

  • @jacobhn2
    @jacobhn2 Před 4 lety +3

    I am a technician at a music school, I would say that class D is for Pa sound where quality does not matter, outside systems where wind and background noise disturb the sound, Class D is not so heavy to carry either. Class A and A / B are for headphones / HiFi speakers where you need it to be pure analog.

  • @TheRealAssistMan
    @TheRealAssistMan Před 4 lety +3

    I own both. For me i enjoy the class a/b much more. it just has a more musical fuller sound to it. things just sound better to me with it. a good class a/b amp in my opinion just sounds more musical and more powerful and richer. while the class d ice amps i have heard and owned have just not had the umph to music that class a/b has.

  • @lastcall9998
    @lastcall9998 Před 4 lety +1

    I am subbed to this channel just because you Paul are so cool. Helps you talk about something I have a vague interest in :P

  • @jdavis234
    @jdavis234 Před 2 lety +2

    Class D is great for those who like Sonos and Bose :)

  • @googoo-gjoob
    @googoo-gjoob Před 3 lety +1

    so, the BHK dual monos are A/B.... how many watts of A till it switches over to B ?

  • @henriksrensen5958
    @henriksrensen5958 Před 4 lety +1

    My class d devialet amplifier is sold. Something about class d i can't live with.
    I have ordered the gryphon diablo 120 amplifier. I can't wait

  • @happygil4698
    @happygil4698 Před rokem +1

    trying to decide it going to the m700 from delta 250s are an upgrade or a sideways move.
    yes, I know what you're driving makes a difference, but I like to try different speakers too.
    opinions?

  • @andreaderoma1033
    @andreaderoma1033 Před 3 lety +1

    Do you think class D amplifiers are better than AB for low volume listening? Thank you!

  • @erod9088
    @erod9088 Před 4 lety +4

    The answer to me is simple. The D amps are getting closer and closer to AB sounds quality. Great. I already have AB amps, so I'm good. Don't have to wait for anything.

    • @mesonto
      @mesonto Před 4 lety

      Was laughing at your comment. This is what I have said in the past... my old Sonic Frontiers tube amp is still incredible by today's standards and my Krell solid state amp (ab) is also a winner. Since D is approaching what I already own - good for "d". Come join the party when you are ready.

    • @rotaks1
      @rotaks1 Před 4 lety

      Good one!

    • @overnightdelivery
      @overnightdelivery Před 2 lety

      Like waiting for LCDs to catch up to CRTs

  • @Megellin
    @Megellin Před 3 lety +2

    I have the ac200 iceamp and I notice a rolloff while listening to songs with sustained long base and midrange.
    Is it possible it's because the onboard power supply doesn't have a big powerful transformer like my class ab, or is it just a class d thing?
    I also found I have to drive my line in with a preamp, or it is extremely anemic sounding when using a standard line directly into it out of a cd player or optical to analog dac.
    Is that also a class d thing? Because my ab doesn't even output as much wattage and not only sounds louder, it also sustains low and mid range way better on (most notably older music (pre- punchy short blast beat new age stuff) (I like to think of new stuff as window rattler era, vs the old stuff rattled the entire foundation when it hit that sweet spot in the frequency for a while!)

  • @johnnyirizarry6489
    @johnnyirizarry6489 Před rokem +1

    Great educational video on the audio world....thanks, Paul!

  • @victorfeliciano6094
    @victorfeliciano6094 Před 3 lety +1

    wow paul , i have a big question if you are planning to buy a subwoofer let say like REL SUBWOOFER some of them used class D but also class AB in this case which one would you buy than?

  • @hamzatatta952
    @hamzatatta952 Před 2 lety +1

    whats the best combo power amp with preamp or with class A

  • @moribnd
    @moribnd Před 2 lety

    Who makes an integrated receiver with class A/B amp, sub out, less high-end distortion and plenty of mid-range for electric guitar, vocals and saxophone? I don't know how to find or this search is not something I really want to undertake, period. The Cambridge Audio AXR100 has nice mids, but far too much distortion in the high end (no recording is perfect).

  • @Soulcommander
    @Soulcommander Před 2 lety +1

    I know this might not apply here but I have a Velodyne CT120 subwoofer. It recently stopped working. I would love to repair it but I'm at a loss of where to take it. I think the company doesn't even exist anymore. I just read it has a Class A/B Amplifier. I really do want to keep it but have found a Klipsch SPL 120 that seems to be close....But it has a class D Amp. Any suggestions? Help? Opinions? Thanks!

  • @BIGBASSSAMA_4
    @BIGBASSSAMA_4 Před 2 lety +1

    Lmk D Sonic or sunfire for sound quality?

  • @user-xg6zz8qs3q
    @user-xg6zz8qs3q Před 4 lety +1

    What about the price point? You only seem to review the expensive stuff. There are many Class D amplifiers under 200€ like the Tangent Ampster BT 2. Are they any good? I got the class A/B Yamaha RN 402 instead (is that amp any good?), because it ended up cheaper in a bundle deal with the Klipsch RP 600M. And I feel clueless to be frank.

  • @BrentLeVasseur
    @BrentLeVasseur Před 3 lety +26

    Get a class A or AB if you live in a cold climate and need a space heater in your home. Get a class D if you live in a warm climate and you don’t want to heat up the room. 😂

    • @rw80
      @rw80 Před 2 měsíci +1

      But if that warm climate has a lot of sunshine you can run your class A amp on solar power :-)

    • @BrentLeVasseur
      @BrentLeVasseur Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@rw80 Or do the same with a class D and not heat up your room and save on your electricity bill. lol

  • @hushpuppykl
    @hushpuppykl Před 4 lety +18

    I just got the XTZ Edge Class D ... I’ll say it sounds pretty close, in nature, to my Class AB that costs 12 times more. Class D has come a long way.

    • @JC-lk3oy
      @JC-lk3oy Před 4 lety

      Yeah that edge uses ICE modules as well. They are truly incredible pieces of technology, especially for the money. Im still trying to find one of the new 1200w stereo modules to become available to us DIY guys. Right now they seem to only be available to OEM's. Granted I wouldn't be able to design a tube input stage like PS Audio did, which I'm sure makes those new M1200's sound glorious. Can't wait for this pandemic to calm down so I can drive over to PS Audio and give them a listen. I have a Sprout100 and absolutely love it for my Fluance RT85 turntable and Pioneer FS52's. Fantastic little budget system, still can't believe how many quality features they crammed into that little guy.

    • @scottlowell493
      @scottlowell493 Před 4 lety +1

      @@JC-lk3oy ICE and HYPEX amps are taking over. No sonic compromises vs $$$$ amps. Tons of power too.

    • @doctorrobin3040
      @doctorrobin3040 Před 4 lety +1

      Me too, I am so impressed.

    • @hushpuppykl
      @hushpuppykl Před 4 lety

      John Caldes ... just get a PS or Nordost 😬

    • @hushpuppykl
      @hushpuppykl Před 4 lety +1

      Fat Rat ... just a power amp. No balanced input. Can be set as a monoblock BUT not in bridge mode. So it’s a mono signal block with 2 sets of outputs. 😬

  • @THESUBZILLA
    @THESUBZILLA Před 3 lety +1

    My main question is if they are distinguishable enough to tell them apart if you playing both class ab and d in the same sound stage? I have a large class ab for midbass and im deciding on running either low power class ab on my midrange horns and tweeters or proper power on the class d amp. I just don't want It be noticeable. Its car audio, skar audio skv2 1300.2 A/B for my midbass. And for the mids and highs its either the Skar audio skv2-200.4D or the skv2-100.4A/B

  • @danielhillwick8430
    @danielhillwick8430 Před 4 lety +5

    I have always preferred Class A/B Class D. Maybe someday class D will reach the wormth and the depth that i get out of class A/B.

  • @dionlangkilde2632
    @dionlangkilde2632 Před 4 lety +2

    Please check Lyngdorf and you will know what I mean...

  • @RealHIFIHelp
    @RealHIFIHelp Před 4 lety +5

    For me class-d sounds too polite and digital, whereas AB is more real and powerful. But I prefer class A on a top level because it feels like the handbrake is completely off compared to D and a bit to AB.

  • @anandshah71
    @anandshah71 Před 4 lety +1

    I use and owned all types of amps except Tube. Hypex nCore is best for all round amps
    U can go mono block with their modules also they have a seperste module only for HF that pair with the main amp.
    Unfortunately people have heard crappy class d amps like tpa or entry level ice modules
    One should hear Hypex and Purifi audio’s amps also ice edge series

    • @soostdijk
      @soostdijk Před 4 lety

      Anand Shah yes, I’ve used a variety of Hypex amplifiers and they are excellent quality for a good price.

    • @falconquest2068
      @falconquest2068 Před 4 lety

      Oh no, you have to have GaN class D. Because we all know Gallium Nitride is the soup du jour. I'm just kidding because class D technology is advancing so quickly it's hard to keep up. I'm sure we will see more advancements soon as well.

  • @Cornz38
    @Cornz38 Před 3 lety +1

    Damn, i do wish sometimes we didn't "change" for the sake of it. Class A, AB and AA were perfect. And if a transistor failed it was easy to sort, try changing a new PWM chip!!

  • @milkman100001
    @milkman100001 Před 4 lety +1

    will there be an upgraded bhk some day?

  • @victormanuelgonzalez4210

    good brother you are like genius audio, its experienc im with you, hi from cuba, thanks my brother, you all right

  • @johnmcquay82
    @johnmcquay82 Před 4 lety +1

    I'm in the same camp as you Paul; comparing side-by-side, Class AB all day long. That said, when working live sound, weight is a consideration as a small production company like me. If I ran Class AB amplifiers in place of my class Ds, my amplifier rack would weigh over 300lbs. The one I tote around weighs less than 100lbs. I frequently get complimented on the sound at events I mix, so Class D really can't be that bad. Lots of people have this belief Class Ds have no bottom end; I use Class D's for the whole system, and the subs I have, hit as hard and go as low as they ever did before.

  • @davidh.7305
    @davidh.7305 Před 3 lety +1

    Should power amps be left on 24/7 ?

    • @leosvids1297
      @leosvids1297 Před 3 lety

      It will probably decorate the components but I will say you can if you want but it's not recommended

  • @editorjuno
    @editorjuno Před 4 lety +2

    The Benchmark AHB2 is neither Class AB nor Class D and it outperforms ICEdge, Purifi 1ET400A, and Hypex NCore for $3K. No "high end" gimmickry like tube or discrete component op-amp front end circuitry -- but there's no disputing its measurable superiority to anything near its price point.

  • @Darronsanderson
    @Darronsanderson Před rokem

    D for subwoofers, AB, or Class A for high fidelity.

  • @linandy1
    @linandy1 Před 4 lety +3

    My old vintage AB amps sound meaty compared to D. Ive never heard an Ice edge amp yet. Sounds interesting.

  • @AhmedAddas
    @AhmedAddas Před 2 lety

    For music class AB and movies class D

  • @mortengammelgaard929
    @mortengammelgaard929 Před 4 lety

    Mega cool that you stay honest, and don`t Fall for pushing your current product to hard...

  • @brandonburr4900
    @brandonburr4900 Před 4 lety +1

    Still prefer my big 115 pound class ab amp with the first part of those watts driven in class a before switching. My preference would be a good higher powered class a. Nothing,like that liquid presentation, all sorts of details, music just emerges out of nowhere and that huge soundstage 😀

  • @AlanGonzalez-ev6ur
    @AlanGonzalez-ev6ur Před 3 lety

    he did ask if you could tell the difference though.. Im guessing the answer is yes of course but you didnt really answer that

  • @edwardpatterson7174
    @edwardpatterson7174 Před 4 lety +1

    Hi Paul! I'm using a class D amp on my Image Dynamics Mid range set, sounds good, but changing to AB would it sound more clear? Of course talking about same watts RMS to be equal

  • @BC-fy1wn
    @BC-fy1wn Před 4 lety +2

    'In my room,in my room'you know who sang that right?

    • @Fons53
      @Fons53 Před 4 lety

      Beach Boys, greetz from Holland 😀

    • @reddenitup
      @reddenitup Před 2 lety

      ??????

  • @TheNLHAZE
    @TheNLHAZE Před měsícem +1

    Hi Paul as usual is the glass half full are half empty you remind me of my grandfather with Alzheimer's😂😂😂😢😢😢😮😮😮😮😮😮

  • @TheJoeyPeacock
    @TheJoeyPeacock Před 4 lety

    Here's a question I'm not sure is fully worthy of a ASK PAUL video, but worthy of clarification nonetheless:
    Is timbre pronounced tam-ber or tim-ber? Seems each time I watch an audio or video related video and someone uses "timbre" in a sentence, they pause and add "...tamber / timber..." as I guess they're unsure too. 😟 Let's settle this once and for all, Paul! *THANKS* !!

    • @TheJoeyPeacock
      @TheJoeyPeacock Před 4 lety

      Personally, I say tam-ber.

    • @leekumiega6576
      @leekumiega6576 Před 4 lety +1

      I've heard it pronounced tam-ber 90% of the time in the reviews I've watched.

    • @marianneoelund2940
      @marianneoelund2940 Před 4 lety +2

      It's tam-ber, as the origin is French. "Tim-ber" is not an accepted alternative pronunciation.

    • @marianneoelund2940
      @marianneoelund2940 Před 4 lety

      @Fat Rat
      You "pique" my interest, but did you "pick" a good example?
      Sometimes spelling is a clue, sometimes not.
      British "garage" is pronounced like "carriage" while Americans use the French pronunciation. Considering our relative proximities to France, it seems we have our pronunciations reversed.
      And how do we reconcile "tear" as in a drop from the tear duct, versus "tear" which we do to paper?

  • @chuckmaddison2924
    @chuckmaddison2924 Před rokem

    I warned up an apple pie on my NAD. So AB does have advantages over D.

  • @omgwtfpwnd
    @omgwtfpwnd Před 4 lety

    YES IT’S DESIRED AND SELF POWERED SPEAKERS ARE THE WAY OF THR FUTURE.

  • @shuckylad
    @shuckylad Před 4 lety +4

    I like class D. I own class D and AB amps. To be honest I don’t think about it when listening. They all sound good to me. 🤘

  • @dandonna852
    @dandonna852 Před 4 lety +1

    class H vs. class D???

  • @brucelamberton8819
    @brucelamberton8819 Před 3 lety +2

    Yeah, no. I think I'll stick with my ME 850 high-current class AB power amp to drive my Duntechs, thanks.

  • @bruss529
    @bruss529 Před 4 lety

    Okay but I feel a hybrid amp is a bit of a cop out on the answer. What about a fully digital amp? - Sprout is all digital isn't it?

    • @thunderpooch
      @thunderpooch Před 4 lety

      It's all class d. But D isn't really "digital."
      The consensus by people more knowledgeable than me is that class d doesn't mean, digital.
      A few explain that there are aspects of class d amplifiers where one could accurately describe what the amp does to the signal as "digital," but it's not entirely accurate.
      Hope that helps a smidge.

  • @JohnSmith-zl8rz
    @JohnSmith-zl8rz Před 3 lety +2

    new Marantz Model 30, Class D

  • @judgegixxer
    @judgegixxer Před 4 lety

    Ya but if all I ever knew about was the Lloyds one speaker AM clock radio, I'd probably be happy with that.

  • @bradmodd7856
    @bradmodd7856 Před 2 lety

    There could be a whole nother video explaining where Class H and Class AB+B amps sit

  • @TurboJohn74
    @TurboJohn74 Před 4 lety

    what has been a quality class D option on the mobile audio side? Used to be Blade amps back in the day, but they are now collector items and priced out

  • @ToadStool942
    @ToadStool942 Před 4 lety +3

    In my experience a well-designed Class D amp easily reign superior over a well-designed Class A/B amp. Assuming both are allowed to use superior line conditioners. Superior line conditioning is IMO a requirement (not an accessory) for all components including amps. However, it's especially important for Class D because even though Class D amps are not digital, with their high-speed switching modules will induce a digital-like bi-directional noise. Bi-directional implying that the noise will go back up the AC and then into other components.
    For the same reason one should never buy a stereo Class D amp or int. amp where the L&R channels share the same AC inlet. In such cases this bi-directional digital-like noise is shared between channels. And it's far worse with integrated Class D amps because the line stage must borrow AC power from one of the channels which are already sharing this bi-directional noise between both channels and that noise is passed to the line stage and then amplified.
    Not so with Class D monoblock amps with superior bi-directional filtering line conditioners dedicated to each monoblock. In this config, well-designed Class D monoblock amps should be able to hold their own and then some against most any Class A/B amp. But only in this monoblock + superior line condtioners configuration.

    • @matsudakodo
      @matsudakodo Před 4 lety

      Everything you're saying is true, and you can show the difference in crosstalk in measurements, but I doubt it's audible on good Class D designs, like those from Hypex or the latest ICEpower, or Purifi.

    • @ToadStool942
      @ToadStool942 Před 4 lety

      @@matsudakodo Thanks, Eric. My current monoblock Class D amps use ICEpower boards. Another Class D pair 10 years ago did not. Both behaved roughly the same when experimenting. with this bi-directional-digital-like noise The bi-directional-digital-like noise shared between L&R channels is definitely audible but not the end of the world. But any such audible noise is enough to remove Class D amps sharing same AC from being a contender with well-designed Class A/B amps that exhibit no such noise.
      On the other hand, a high-powered 600wpc Class D integrated amp sharing this noise between L&R channels and then the active gain stage borrowing power from one channel and noise from both channels where the signal is then amplified and well, I'd prefer to find another hobby as it was fairly intolerable.

  • @joicejewerly5579
    @joicejewerly5579 Před rokem

    Best CZcamsr apart your real job, which one you prefer? Ha ha🎉🎉🎉

  • @First-Last-108
    @First-Last-108 Před 4 lety +1

    Would love to see a PS product with the Purifi amplifier modules

  • @chadbarker2316
    @chadbarker2316 Před 4 lety +1

    Yep. It's like ridin in your Tesla then jumping in my 69 Z28 and feeling that motor cammin and thumpin or ridin a Honda and riding an old Harley! Hahahahaha. You can add all the spices to grandma's recipe but it will never be as good as grandmas and u can take that to tha bank!

  • @peterc3143
    @peterc3143 Před 3 lety +1

    Class D is getting better

  • @capitanvonchickenpants8492

    I have a BOSS katana with an AB power amp it's so loud for solid state

  • @GrandConception
    @GrandConception Před 4 lety +1

    Modern and new D all the way.

  • @josepeixoto3715
    @josepeixoto3715 Před 3 lety

    Man...i don't understand one effing bit of all these comments!!!!
    I have the +-75 volt power supply,10 amps,thinking of buying an el chepo 500 watt D module...
    Question...is a clss D amp,say 200 rms , as good,better or worse than a classical amp ? (ab,or whatever you call it, i have a bridged 200 w Rotel, for 25 years, with added heat sinks, driving 15 inchers, 4 ohms love it, almost like being there).

  • @i0001w
    @i0001w Před 4 lety +1

    Class D design by Ncore and their latest Purifi is going to dominate next decade.

    • @trubadyr99
      @trubadyr99 Před 3 lety

      I really hope they will sound as good that no snobbish reviewers would frown on them anymore.