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Can you PLEASE make a vid about Zulu war?
If you are going to release videos with a live chat, you should appoint some mods
The armchair historian can you do German vs Soviet squads next
Soviet squad leader: we should be safe now, can't get any worse
Frozen lake: allow me to introduce myself
Hitler: Attack those communists, we can't lose!
Russian Winter: allow me to introduce myself
World : Finnely pisce
7 million germans on poland
: Allow to introduce ourselfs
@@elmascapo6588 more like orrible german logistic and lack of oil
ME: Comments can't get anymore clichéd and retarded
You: Allow me to introduce myself!
@@Mynipplesmychoice thank you for the feedback, we'll look into it.
The Winter War is a very underrated war because of WW2. The brutality of being in constant hypothermic conditions while trying not to get sniped by a soldier who you can’t see is nothing to scoff at.
Don’t forget the finns where specialists on destroying tanks with stuff as simple as a molotov
I think the finns are great defenders but attacking is not their strong suit or because they severely underestimated the soviet man power
@@angelo3998 Molotovs and wooden logs too..I've heard that one tank was disabled with a crowbar, sometimes satchel charges were used too
To be fair I imagine you would struggle to find anyone who could describe a single battle between Japan and China in WW2 despite accounting for about the same number of casualties as the eastern front.
@@lernaeanhydra5766 Yea,its unknown too
The Winter War was a part of WW2.
comissar: charge
sgt: fine
*comissar dies*
sgt: alright boys lets head out
it is not clear the sgt didn't fire that shot in the fog of war?
@@pdspeh69 Not going to take the risk of a subordinate betraying him in exchange for some kind of benefit. There was quite a bit of paranoia until the military purges slowed down.
Comissar was basically the hated boss
@@artinrahideh1229 just a normal day in the 40k universe
Of the name of Molotov's coctkail: When asked the Soviet foreign minister Molotov explained they were not 'bombing' Helsinki, but dropping bread baskets to the hungry Finnish civilians. This lead to Finnish soldiers nicknaming the burning bottle as 'Molotov's Cocktail' in mockery
My mind is already blown to pieces and it's blown up again
No, this lead to name those bombs as "Molotovs bread baskets". Molotovs statement had nothing to do with naming molotov cocktails.
It's the Soviet Russian way of speaking, What you say is opposite of truth. Still today it's seen in action. try at home next Putin speech
Finns don’t need squads, all they need is one farmer with a gun.
*Sino Hayha intensifies*
and ski
The chad Carlist.
@General of The 101st Airborne Makes them even better. Also swedes were fighting in the Finnish army so they were also pro axis. Dunno what ur talking about.
@General of The 101st Airborne Finland was not pro axis. Mannerheim didn't even like fascism or national socialism but they had to choose between devil and Satan so they chose one of them to help them to free karelians lands lost in winter war.
Finland didn't even help axis to end we stopped at one point and refused to move forward, because why would we want to touch land that doesn't belong to us?
And why did we choose to help axis instead of Soviets?
Well we kinda hated communism after civil war. When Stalin's paranoia started to grow, Stalin threatened to attack Finland if we wouldn't give part of our land to them and we refused and they started war after faking artillery strike.
Mannerheim wanted to disrespect Hitler as much as he could by smoking infront of him.
Mannerheim didn't like how Hitler came to birthday party uninvited.
Finland couldn't break ties with German because Finland gained good equipment and food from there.
We had alot of Swedish volunteers, yes, and I appreciate it but still I don't think that we were pro axis.
(Sorry for my bad English I kinda need to learn it more, I am always missing some words even from my mother language)
Soviets: **move into Finnish territory**
The snow: **teleports behind them**
"ei mitään henkilökohtaista poikaa..."
I'm guessing you used Google translate for that?
@@limonadiautomaattimekaanikko exactly
Well, as a Finn, I can say it is correct, tho the word "poika" should be only with one "a"
@@SpaceMonkeyBoi *ei mitään henkilökohtaista poika*
@@nuggetwalrus5058 yeah, sometimes my phone puts multiple letters in, probably something wrong with the screen
Soviet soldier: "I'm scared Artyom."
The snow: "Sinun pitäisi olla."
The pine trees: "Tosiaan."
XDDDD
The snow: "You should be"
Pine Trees: "Really now"
@@SteamCheese1 it's not "really now" but "truely".
:)
that was soviet forces speech in ex-captured by suomians Vyborg? in 1940 or in 1944? after that snow was smashed by tanks& and pine trees go to fire for heating? I get now!
@@danilabandalet2620 from 1940 to 1943, there were very cold winters.
And there were still enough pine trees, wich slowed soviet adavnce
Nice video! Just a couple of things that need clarification:
1. The Finns did not finally lose Viipuri due to bad urban warfare tactics, as this video indicates. The Finns were just heavily outnumbered because the Soviet had just begun their massive offensive in Summer 1944, at the same time with Operation Overlord. The superior number of Soviet forces crushed the main Finnish defence line just before Finns lost Viipuri. In some places, the concentration of Soviet artillery pieces exceeded 200 guns for every kilometre of front.
2. Viipuri was lost in june 1944, not 1943
By the way, Finns conquered Viipuri pretty fast in 1941.
because they were focused on germany, if they werent, then Viipuri would be soviet in a few hours
@@ecksdee1637 Yeah but they were still outnumbered?
@@some15 Even not, they would still lose in the cities
@@ecksdee1637 no they wouldn't. Finns were allt better trained and experienced
@@some15 In the woods, but they did not have the skills or equipment in urban warfare like the Soviets.
The Cities to the Soviets are what the Forests are to the Finns.
even in this scenario they are outnumbered but still win
A, now dead, relative of mine served as some sort of machine gunner in the Mannerhiem line but almost never talked abut it. The only thing I've ever heard him say abut it was: “They came and they came, it was disgusting.” as he was tearing up. I never brought up the subject after that.
Yeah its traumatizing in the long run
My grandpa was a vet of the yugoslav war and he never talked about it bc of how traumatizing it was.
Similar situation from another family. My late grandfather apparently said pretty much _nothing_ about his war experiences... till he was in his early seventies. Then, his third grandson was visiting the grandparents on leave from the Army, and mentions how they'd been recently practicing maneuvers at (as war history turns out, a kind of significant) location.
Gradnpa's comment?
"Huh. I remember losing a boot on that road."
I don't believe you
@@danielzerich2179 ok
@@Hurmeri i did see one thing he kept out of the war. He kept one 5.56 bullet in a drawer and i never asked him why. And i cant ever ask him why he kept it because he died a year ago. But yeah generally war for freedom can be a blessing in the beggining but a traumatizing end in the long run
Who would win
An army of trained soldiers
or
Less trained soldiers that are good at hide and go seek
*Vietnam has entered the chat*
(POST SCRIPTUM NOTE BEFORE READING, this post talks about Winter War period Red Army, the 1918 - 1939 Red Army... obviously the Stalingrad/kicking Germans out of Russia Red Army/western money rebuilt and remilitarised Red Army was like 10x better and fucked everyone up but apparently angry Russian nationalists can't read and got so furious when seeing someone laughing at how hilariously incompetent Red Army used to be they didn't even notice it what time frame this post is about)
Red Army... trained... with almost every single general, commander, anyone important killed in Stalins purge, leaving newbies to lead the army... and the soldiers, underequiped, with mass recruitment looking to increase quantity, not quality (maybe before Hitlers attack it was different, better... I doubt it tho)... and the morale! L m a o, cant say i dug into the Winter War too much but during the invasion of Poland, the Red Army soldiers were deserting every possibility they got; mass desertion happened even when the battle odds seeemed equal and the Polish forces were similar in number to theirs (which was hard since Poland was a small in comparison country). They just did not want to fight, not for communism. There were battles where not a single shot was made, since one of the soldiers planned to desert right away and other soldiers seeing this either joined in hoping to get the opportunity to leave the Soviet Union and the army and run to Romania or the west, soldiers deserted from camps at night etc etc. Obviously the red army was huge in comparison to what Poles had against them while fighting Germany at the same time so even if half of the Red Army just gave up they would still lose but its a funny story nonetheless (In WW2, obviously Poland won the previous Polish - Soviet war of 1919-1921, in no small part to Soviet army's morale issues... I mean Poland, a country 55 times smaller than Russia won a war against them... how hilarious is that. Obviously they fought great but that wouldn't be enough to win with such odds... it must've been red army fucking up big time, and mass desertion and lack of morale was a huge part of that)
Experience is what matters
@@neofulcrum5013 your Right
@@Googledeservestodie The Vietnamese were defeated in every major battle.
There's a reason Finland never became a member of the Soviet Union/Warsaw pact.
Not NATO either, decent reasons for that too
@Анолс Жёдреп What do you mean with destruction of Finnish Army 1944? It was still intact and fit for fight until the peace treaty was negotiated with Stalin in the fall of 1944. The manpower of your mighty armies assigned for conquering Finland in 1944 was depleted, Soviet army losses were immense at Karelian isthmus and invading colossus was stopped at the great Tali Ihantala, Viipurinlahti and Vuosalmi battles. Two Russian divisions were even destroyed at Ilomantsi 1944 right before the peace. The Soviet offensive didn't even manage to reach our main defensive line "Salpa linja". It was the only one of the Stalins great strategic strikes which failed to reach its goals in the end of the WW2. This is the reason why Finland was not occupied by the Soviets in the WW2, the only Russian neighbor which was not occupied by the Soviets after the war. Even Stalin respected the Finnish determination and fighting skill in the private discussions with Mannerheim after the War.
Wet Lettuce:
That's correct. Finnish army was still intact and fit for fight until the peace treaty was negotiated with Stalin in the fall of 1944. The manpower of Soviet armies assigned for conquering Finland in 1944 was depleted, Russian army's human and material losses were immense at Karelian isthmus and this invading colossus was stopped at the great Tali Ihantala, Viipurinlahti and Vuosalmi battles. Two Russian divisions were even destroyed at Ilomantsi 1944 right before the peace. The Soviet offensive didn't even manage to reach our main defensive line "Salpa linja". It was the only one of the Stalins great strategic strikes which failed to reach its goals in the end of the WW2. This is the reason why Finland was not occupied in the WW2, the only Russian neighbor which was not occupied by the Soviets after the war. Even Stalin respected the Finnish determination and fighting skill in the private discussions with Mannerheim after the War.
@@praatman At least the Finns didn't dare to go deep into Soviet territory because if they did, they would have to pay the same price they made the Russians pay during the winter war.
Kekkonen, Kekkonen, Kekkonen...
The Finnish rifles weren't copies of the Mosin: they all each and every one began life as Russian rifles and were rebuilt and improved upon until the M39 model. They prefered to use older "hex" receivers, dating from before the early 1930s, believing these to be superior. Finn Mosins can be seen retaining their original Russian arsenal, and even sometimes imperial markings on many parts. Stocks and barrels are the major components to be reworked or replaced, along with improved sights and bayonets. Any firearms edgelord of today who calls the Mosin Nagant a "garbage rod" either has never owned or fired a Finnish model, or is plain ignorant.
The Mosin period is a good rifle
Wish I could've shot my mosin when I owned one - couldn't because of bills.
Yes they're not copies but literal Mosins with no mechanical changes
The traditional Russian Mosin is a garbage rod compared to the Mauser, Springfield 03 (basically a Mauser), and Enfields.
It's in the running for worst WW2 rifle with the Italian Caracano.
If you fought in that war with a choice of any main rifle, you'd have to be a brainwashed communist to pick the Mosin over the Enfield or Mauser.
@@adamelam6385 Well I can no longer own a firearm anymore. And currently I can't even possess a tazer or a set of Nunchakus. That's what I get for choosing to be a Criminal - a lifetime of boring normalcy (but I guess it isn't all that bad, I'll get used to it).
A Iraqi squad vs a Iranian squad video would be pretty interesting, because both sides have almost the same weaponry.
Edit: So apparently in the comments the Iranian army had the a different loadout than the Iraqi army, and I might have mistaken the Iranian army for the millitas and Revolutionary guard, so I apologise if I might have been wrong. :)
YES!!
There'll be a jihad in the comments.
@@kingofcards9516 well, you've got a point
Very interesting yes please!
Also same (lack of) training.
An interesting match up would be West Germany vs East Germany, with 1989 technology and weapons. Or perhaps 1979 as one other viewer suggested in the answers.
Good idea but I would set it back about ten years at the final peak of communist power. East Germany was completely falling apart at the end and that reflected in all parts of the armed forces. Meanwhile West Germany was at this point at higher highs then ever before.
@@reaperking2121 in 1979 it would of been a steamroll, they would of had T72s and all there good equipment.
3 out of 9 East German troops would defect
@@kurvitaschthedictator no idont think lol
@@kurvitaschthedictator
Remember the fact that 73% of East Germans not wanting the Communist regime to fall?
No?
Wow,American propaganda machine is just the most effective
Great video, but it consists one major historical flaw: finnish forces that defended Viipuri (now it's called Vyborg) was never issued with german uniforms. Nordic SS battalions did not took part in the operation either. The finns in the video shoud been dressed in their national uniform and equipment.
Remind me of their video about the Normandy battles, the Carpiquet airfield was supposed to be majorly defended and later counter-attacked by the Waffen SS units (particularly 12th SS Div and 1st SS Div). But in their video, they were replaced by Wehrmacht/Heer soldiers instead.
Fun Fact:
Finland was actually pretty lenient to their Jewish people.
They treated them like equal citizens. Took refugees from Axis-controlled areas.
And some of them served as medics in the Finnish Army.
German diplomats insisted they follow what they do. But the Finns flat-out told them "There is no Question here."
And successful protesting of deportations. Thanks to the Finnish Social Democrat Party.
The only reason the Finns took Germany's side was because of Finland's border rivalry with the Soviets.
And that was it.
Finns actually gave away few jewish people (they fled from germany if I recall right, they were not Finnish citizens) just to say: "Here. You won't touch the rest."
Germany awarded 3 Finnish jew soldiers the iron cross. Fun fact.
@@ZeroNitroMan Finnish SUPO (finnish secret police) chief tried to send all jewish refugees to Germany unknown to goverment. Luckily he was stopped and dismissed after "only" 7 people were send. Rest were allowed to stay
Finnish high command refused to surrender finnish jews. they were really clear about that. There is good presentation by American jew in the youtube about this. If you have 1 hour to spare, i recommend it :)
@@perkeletto640 Yup, that sounds about familiar. And sounds interesting, it'll be nice to see and hear that in different perspective, too!
That isn’t a fact. That’s a short story
As a soviet reenactor, who does dedicated winter war immersion tactical events, with strict adherence to soviet doctrine. I can tell you 100% that the Finns have the better squad and tactics by far
Even after they learned urban tactics and got experience in Stalingrad?
@@realmart3451 Those are advantages on Urban warfare, but on the wilderness? The Finns still had advantage
@@FulcroxThat'd probably true, I don't doubt that
@@realmart3451 they dont take in full context. Winter war was training for conscripts & new strategies
but still lost XD
Finland roasting The Maginot line
The Maginot Line actually worked. It was designed to slow down an attack, not necessarily stop one. The problem is that it was not extended to the sea at the north due to political issues. France did not want to upset Belgium. So, the Germans just went around it.
@@lesliefranklin1870 don't be upset frenchie. Accept that you got beaten up pretty bad
@@aeroaero5472 he has a point tho
@@lesliefranklin1870 the plan was to send troops to the north so the front will be smaller with smaller forts being in belguim but belguim refused french troops unless they were invaded and since Germany invaded quickly, the plan didn't work
@@lesliefranklin1870 plus France was planning for a war based on the last war, WW1, so they determined that Germany would attack through Belgium again. So when Fall Gelb began, it seemed like Germany was following the plan again, not knowing that the Mannstein plan enabled them to move Army Group A through the supposed impenetrable Ardennes and outflank the Allies
"The Union of Soviet Republics won, but racing to the line for a strong second place came feisty little Finland."
-Private Vanhala, Unknown Soldier.
Soviets didnt really win in reality, if they had won they would have occupied finland.
@@Alexandros.Mograine True. We managed to keep our independence and for that I'm forever grateful to our veterans who sacrificed so much during the wars.
That quote is from Finnish war film The Unknown Soldier and the character in question is kind of a joker so take whatever he says in it with a grain of salt.
Thank you for your concern tho, it always warms my heart to see people keeping the history in check.
@@Alexandros.Mograine the war was fought in order to move the border - not occupy the country ...spoiler .....All officially announced territorial claims of the USSR were satisfied :3
@@CKyHC2 "not to occupy the country" im sure thats what they told to the baltics too... they wanted finland to destroy their defensive fortifications, lose alot of border, give up a naval base near helsinki, let soviet soldiers on the ground. doesnt sound like the start of a occupation at all.
@@Alexandros.Mograine confidence is good but historical documents are even better ;)
>uses Waffen-SS Nordland Division characters to represent Finnish soldiers
Yeah caught my eye too. Guess the artists lean too left politically.
And to believe Finland during ww2 allied itself with nazi germany to gain back its territorys taken from the ussr and in 1944 got off scot free .
Also alot of the equipment they got was from ww1 which means alot of captured central power equipment.
@@generalfluffyproto Scot free? Finland lost territory, and got a huge war debt to be paid. One of the few countries to actually pay it off, too.
@@Stirl2 I kinda doubt it’s a political thing, the same video has a Soviet political commissar effectively sentence his men to death. More of a “both sides had bad people” thing I think
Correct me if I'm wrong but there was a agreement between germany and finland where germany would supply Finland with guns,equipment etc.
The snow speaks Finnish
And the trees speak Vietnamese
And the Belgium borders start speaking German.
@Winnie De Pooh and the sky speaks American
No the Finnish speak snow
and the onions start speaking French
The M27 weren't as much a copy of the soviet mosin nagants, but modified / improved mosin nagants the finns had acquired from various nations and their own earlier seizures.
Finnish military history is pretty much "acquiring" weapons and then playing the McGyver tune and getting something better as a result.
@@Pikkabuu finnish guns: looks similar to soviet ones but is better built and engineered
@@Pikkabuu which is ironic considering the Soviets did that with their smg. They took the Finns Suomi KP31 and used it to create the PPSH41
@KKmies before the ppsh the soviets had the ppd 34 and ppd 40, and those are very similar to the kp 31. So they did copy it but later replaced it with the ppsh
Huh didn't know that.
These animations bring me back to the “endless war” flash game series
oh my god it does i forgot about that game i played when i was very little i forgot about that man i loved that game
czcams.com/video/OHWApmKD_j4/video.html How did you find this video, I'd be happy if you comment it.
As a finn, I'm very proud of our ancestors who served the country and managed to keep Finland independent :D
Предав при этом Германию
@@user-mv6pk2gn3m not really
@@suissais4732 почему? Финны в 44 году испугавшись СССР решили предать Германию
@@user-mv6pk2gn3m The Finnish only joined the Axis to regain their lost territory
They also accepted Jewish into their military while Germans did not, their POV's were very different and since they saw no point with the war going, they thought smart and cut ties
@@thisrandomperson1472 какие утраченные территории были у финнов? Те которые они забрали в 20 годах? Кстати слова о "Великой Финляндии" видно коммунисты произносили, а не финны
Didn’t expect this at all, I thought the next one would be British vs Italian squads but this is a very welcome surprise
Pfft
@@danielzerich2179 if your talking about me thinking about a British vs Italian squad, yes it’s obvious the British would win no doubt. I was just thinking it would be a fun video to see.
I thought it would be the greece vs Italy one, that might be the next one tho
@@andonivorrias1164 that would be a good one
Griffin said that the next squad would be finnish vs Soviet so I expected this
When a Finnish soldier on the border sees a Soviet column of tanks and soldiers. "Perkele"
Also the finnish soldier: Awakens his inner Sisu (a finnish word describing toughness) spirit and destroys the entire column with molotovs :D
Edit: Okay I get it. That was a bit over the top.
Let me fix that, "Ryssiä voi PERKELE"!
Hahaha
@@AlreadyTakenTag Translate Sisu
@@thefrenchareharlequins2743 There is a problem with that. The finnish word *sisu* doesn't really have an equivalent in english. So no one can really describe it in english accurately.
The M27 "pystykorva" was not a copy, but an improved version of the mosin. Naturally, since Finland was a part of Russian empire not too long ago and that's what they had in the stockpiles. Making the most of what they had, upgrading was far cheaper than buying or making new.
I've never heard of how Finnish sounds before this video... It sounds very beautiful, now that i have
Tolkien based Quenya (the biggest Elvish language) on Finnish.
@@justsomeghostwithinterneta7296 In written language.... our accent sucks. Because it is not indo-european like the most european languages... its way older too.
@@kornolex Correction: Our accent is the coolest :)
@@justsomeghostwithinterneta7296 Finnish accent is smooth and melodic because of the lack of articles and prepositions.
@@justsomeghostwithinterneta7296 yo how can i learn finnish,if is it even possible :D
I have an idea: Serbian vs. Austro-Hungarian squads
It would be great to see some more Great War content on this amazing channel
Did they have squad level tactics in 1914? I think platoon was the smallest they had.
That happened with 1 Serbian and 1 Austrian Hungarian on a bridge and the Serbian won
@@Kabutoes Serbia, the only country to hold the front for 17 years, against Western powers..
@@nekjevecnasrbijaisrbskirod which war is that?
@@ploppyjr2373 literally each, from the late 19th century until the 21st century. But when it is said that we held the front for 17 years against the Western powers ... we mean the period between the battles for Macedonia, more precisely old Serbia ... all the way to the Austro-Hungarian, German and Bulgarian coalitions to divide the whole of Serbia. What is even more interesting, during those 17 years, Serbs did not receive any help or "donation" at all ... during those 17 years. All that time, Serbian heroes and heroes liberated the Serbian occupied countries and defended their homeland, even from those closest to it, no help arrived until the Thessaloniki front...But mighty Serbs, managed to defend their homeland LONGER than anybody did. Even in 1999, Serbs managed to stay ONLY non-conquered country from nato pact...
I really liked the parts where they speak russian and finnish, just really curious on how it was recorded and scripted. Overall also feels really accurate and respectful despite them being fictional scenarios. It is also very agreeable that the finnish forces were better, and the number of casualties definitely prove that.
Yeah russia wasnt too great on quality
Also major inaccuracy that the Finnish troops are wearing German SS uniforms, and wear the Wiking Division collar badge, a division that didn't fight in Karelia.
@@wryyyy Disclaimer at the start that the scenarios are fictional...
7:25 one line was missed in the subtitles. He said "When you reach your destination, bring death to the bourgeois invaders." and only then "The Motherland has given the superior Mosin rifle".
@@nicojokelin5547 quality of what? its not the same thing to storm defensive line in hard unknown terrain and to defend it. id look on finnish guys storming soviet defensive lines.
Is it just me or does the Finnish voice actor sound so soothing
Have to say, pretty unusual choice of voice for this propaganda clip. They doesn't remind me much of the real deal.
But then again, it's better than some actual professional Finnish dubs I've heard.
@@ZeroNitroMan I guess that is where the limitations of a YT production still show. But the fact that they go out of their way to hire native speakers (though admittedly I can only speak for the German voice acting they had in other videos) is pretty admirable.
@Kyo Rasen As a Finn, I can confirm she pronounces perfect Finnish. And even does it in the style of fourties narrators.
Blown away by the Finnish voice actor. Excellent work!
Even tough I must say that the outfit & especially the markings of choise for the Finnish soliders in Viipuri is questionable...
Seems pretty accurate to me, they just seemed to use German equipment, which makes sense
At the time swastika was a symbol of Finnish Air forces, Germans just stole it from us
@@LewisB3217 The uniforms are actually quite different if some one bothers to look a second longer and most of the helmets were bought from across the europe before the war and during. The Viipuri scene at the beginning obviously shows german troops for some reason...
Otherwise a good video but on Viipuri part Finnish uniforms are highly inaccurate (Somehow there is German SS uniforms instead of Finnish army uniforms of Continuation war) and the year should be 1944.
I was going to say the same thing. Definitely not Finnish uniforms.
I don't think the date matters much since the battles seem to be fiction based on research. The actual battle of Viipuri in 1944 lasted five hours, the Finns were completely outnumbered and retreated quickly. Not sure a lot of urban warfare occurred.
those are ss wiking uniforms, where Finnish volunteers were and they operated in the south, not in Viipuri.
Was thinking 1944 for the year, glad someone else noticed
Butters!? Why are you looking at documentaries on youtube!? You know you are only allowed to look at cat videos! YOU ARE GROUNDED MISTER!
The animation and production quality here is second to none. Kudos on turning your passion into a life's work Big Griff.
What do you mean the animation and production quality is second to none? This sounds pretty condescending and under appreciating.
@@Bowwow30 In English, "Second to none" is an idiom meaning essentially "among the best" or "top notch". It is not in any way condescending.
@@Bowwow30 Possibly a phrase you are not familiar with? Second to none meaning that nothing tops it, meaning that I think it's the best I've ever seen in this context.
@@guyincognito1560 You are right. I thought it meant exactly the opposite. Now I know what it means, I can only say: I fully agree with you!!
@@cameronaustin7734 Thank you for clarifying. I thought it meant the opposite.
The Finnish soldiers were trained for accurate shooting, the Russians were trained to run forward with a gun, while making as much noise as possible in order to scare the enemy. Accuracy trumps noise.
But fins loose twice... Hand to hand combat rules in fact... Suomy 1940 and 1944 have such experience... Soviet warbase in 30 km clise to Helsingfors (Helsinki) as a result in late 1940s...
@@danilabandalet2620 The Finns actually won most of the manual fights. Both sides often ran out of ammo and the fight had to be finished by hand, so there are plenty of combat reports that include such situations. Had the Finns not won, there would have been nobody left alive to write the reports. Believe it or not, we've always been extremely good at stabbing people, beating them with a shovel or hitting them with an axe.
@@jannevellamo believe is not necessary... Just look at the results: total losses and borders. In that fact fins act like cowards and week...
@@jannevellamo fins could not hold even at Mannerheim's line fortification. How could you speakes about their skills and tactics?
@@danilabandalet2620 LOL, I'm a Finn. That should be obvious from the name. I know my own history.
My great uncle was from Viipori. He was a lieutenant in the Finnish military during ww2. We have a picture of him on a Horse in uniform. His stories about the winter war, while sparingly told, and only to older children/ young adults, were at times times hard to believe. I thought he was lying to my father and myself, when he told of soviet dead, posed before they froze as a psychological warfare tactic.
Im not sure if you grew up in Finland. As a non-Finn, I know a Finn will never lie about their experience in the war. Especially their personal stories. There may be exaggerated stories that made it's way from stories passed on
honestly in the second battle i feel like the maxin would've just mowed down any advancing soviet forces
Soviets forces charge and the maxix downs 3/4 of the squad, two men reach the trench on the other end and kill the rifleman next to them. The Finnish submachinegunner turns his sights and rounds the corner unloading a burst of 9mm killing to the pair of Soviets
Yup. Mannerheim line's bunkers and their gun ports we designed purposely for cross-fire to cover the full field, and especially the openings in the barbed wire. Finns also preferred to retreat and regroup when soviets were closing in at good grenade toss distance. But again, only if that was allowed by situation, to save manpower.
not only that, but what about all the other riflemen and suomi smgs. those all combined its no wonder they suffered so many casualties at the mannerheim line.
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This series would be cool to see as a Deadliest Warrior-style hypothetical between groups that never actually fought each other!
Hard to analyse tactics of battles of two armies that never fought one another. Who knows how the Soviet and American would fight each other, it would be like guessing how the US fought the Japanese if the war in the pacific never happened.
Yeah, I know, that's the fun in the whole thing... it would be interesting to see their take and their opinion after the research they do. This episode between the Finns and Soviets was opinion-based too, after all!
@@Loup-mx7yt That would be pretty interesting, but I think it would be more like how the Germans fought the Soviets than how they fought the Japanese
@@Loup-mx7yt The Soviet squad is not designed to fight alone, but to work with their Platoon together and with their IFVs. That's a problem also with the Soviet squads in this video. They move as Platoons. Not Squads. The squads are only for micro positioning.
the fact you overlooking is that the Finns and Russian did fight , no hypothetical bull to be considered . the winter and continuation wars where not directed by James Cameron
The Finns were really good at riposting. They reacted, decided and communicated faster and more accurately than the Red Army, taking tighter turns inside the OODA Loop. Some of the movements undertaken, particularly in the north, in the Karelian, were absolutely amazing. Additionally, the Finns were groundbreaking in the use of mine warfare, laying minefields on the move, creating ‘mottis’ allowing attacks in detail, largely neutering the vast Soviet numerical superiority. The creative use of camouflage, and again, quick reaction time, allowed survival from air and artillery attacks. The strategic and tactical skills of the Finnish command haven’t been appreciated enough yet, I believe.
Still think Soviets are better in Urban warfare, its the equivalent of the Finnish forest, Their Turf
I enjoy your videos, but the fact that you gave Finnish soldiers the SS-uniform really grinds my gears.
That's because they trained our troops and about 1000 men joined their ranks during the time, too. History forgets, Finland was friends with Germany that time. Why? Because Germany was Russians enemy.
@@meeapeea friends is too strong of a term here, allies of convenience would probably be closer to the truth. Still Finnish uniforms were very much distinct from the German ones especially the SS ones and also what's also often forgotten is that Finns had plenty of Jewish officers and enlisted men in service, we didn't send our Jews to be killed in camps like using the SS uniforms does imply at least not in very large scale.
@@SampoPaalanen Our then Foreign Minister said to Heinrich Himmler: "Finland has no Jewish question." Period.
@@meeapeea Yes, some 1400 Finns were volunteered and trained in Waffen SS in 1941 - 1943 but they never served on the Finnish front in German uniform. At that time the Finnish army had some 500 000 men and they also never had German uniforms. So that explanation doesn't work very well.
@@jounisuninen that seems irrelevant to the point
Oh my god, these Are so well animated, everyday the animations get better…
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Polish vs German squads 1939, as Polish Home Army and as the Polish forces of the west.
That would be cool
And polish forces from the east?
@@darkknightbatman8269 that too of course
Unfortunately Poland lost big on a squad level due to inadequate MG design (BARs against far superior MG34) and number (9 BARs per company of 200+ men while Germans had MG34 in each squad) and generally more advanced German MG doctrine. If you go above to mortar and artillery, picture becomes grim.
@@nikitaananjevas1614 yeah ik, but that's for the invasion of Poland, but as for everything else, idk man I say it would be interesting
20:00 I love how the animation showed the ballistic arc, the bullet drop.
I cannot describe to you in words how genuinely amazing your content is, I never skip a video!
I'm actually really impressed with the finnish voice acting. Did you hire a finnish native to do it?
And I was wondering if the dialogue was from a real radio broadcast from the past. Something made me feel like the scrip was initially written in English and then translated into Finnish. The tone was a bit pompous to my humble Finnish ears and especially the "waves breaking against the shore" didn't quite sound intuitively like a Finnish idiom.
Exactly, the general mood of the speaker was quite enthusiastic, perhaps even too much for me. Then again it could be that it was portrayed to seem like a propaganda film from the actual time period.
She's a voice actor hired from Fiverr you can see it in the credits
The Russian one was also pretty good
@@PeliSotilas that is a fair point, considering the USSR one was also quite obviously a propaganda piece inspired skit so it would only be fair to give the opposite side as well the same treatment.
As a little kid, i was in love with the battles between of History channel 2 opposing sides. They were similar, but the battles were 5v5. This puts a smile on my face, a callback to my childhood. Thank you Armchair Historian!!!
I think you're referring to Deadliest Warrior in it's later season.
Deadliest warrior?
Exactly!
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Salute to Finland and the Finnish people for their bravery and their struggle to defend their fatherland against a far superior enemy.
Finland with one N but Finns with two.
@@Pikkabuu Thank you
I have my empathy to winter war Finns but not for the Continuation war Finns, that war was unnecessary and opportunistic to seize land for the greater-Finland.
Then again, USSRA pushed Finns unintentionally towards the Axis and got what they didn't expect. The blame is equally on them as well.
@@mabussubam512 Greater Finland? The land lost after the Winter War was not part of "greater Finland". It was part of Finland. The Finns entered to reclaim what had been lost in the war before, not to create a "greater Finland". They entered the war to return these Finnish families living in the lost territories to Finland. They entered to free these families from a communist dictatorship. You want to blame them for that? Blame them for Patriotism? Blame them for a desire for Freedom? If you consider yourself able to accept such a fate, that itself is sad enough and sad for the country you live in and its people. But do not take for granted that other people would accept such a fate. Sure it was risky, as risky as the Winter War. And the Finns started the Continuation War for the same reason they refused Stalins Demands and entered into the Winter War, because your home and your family is worth ANY RISK.
@@sinanroyal5359 Well, Finns did took some extra. But I think that was aimed to be the "ace in the sleeve" for the peace negotiations. Mannerheim very well knew that they wouldn't be able to take much more, so he aborted the invasion and just sat back to see how the fight between reich and soviets was going.
But no. Greater Finland might had been thing in the early 1920's, but it died off very soon. By late 1930's Finland was still poor little country without proper army.
The soviet sapper engineers had only body armours. The storm troop did not have one. Even engineers did not wear them when they were on the assault at the end of the war. It was heavy and made moving hard
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Really excited for fire and Manuever, who knows what mods will be made
Maybe an American civil war mod
@@saltybox1019 they already are adding the civil war bro
perhaps a ww1/ww2 mod
@@rotinink I think the game is solely line battle and stuff
@@saltybox1019 I mean eventually they might add skirmish troops and i could see a mod mainly based on those
Stalin: *WHERE ARE MY COMMANDERS?!*
Advisor: *You had them executed.*
*Stalin then proceeds to excute the advisor*
@@dabooddidood7775 personally
And then they suddenly appeared out of nowhere. All those commanders who won ww2
@Jenwin Jos M yep
That last battle with the storm group had me on the edge of my seat. Genuinely tense.
I played the tabletop game Squad Leader some nearly 40 years ago, and it gave interesting insight into Finnish soldiers. It referred to their cultural emphasis on self-reliance (sisu I think was the term) and how that translated into action in the field. The soldiers were less reliant on officers or NCO's to take action.
Really enjoyed the video, but kinda disappointed that we didn't see how the soviet squad took out the ground floor at the end.
Keep up the great work!
Yeah I was kinda wondering what happened to the rest of the Finnish squad downstairs. My best guess is they shared the similar fate as the ones we saw upstairs.
Cant find out about something that never happened. "Battle of Viipuri" in this video is entirely fictional.
@@wryyyy even though its fictional it still holds the basic idea of how the war was fought urban-wise
@@wryyyy yeah I understand that but I'm sure they could figure out something from the soviet doctines of the time. And technically all the scenarios are fictional "simulations" just based on records of the time
@@0btuse Of course. It's only disappointing how they still did bunch of things wrong in this video. Battle of Viipuri was more or less a hasty evacuation of the city, a complete blunder by the Finnish command positioned there. This also happened in 1944, closer to the end of the conflict, not in 1943 as in the video. There were no major scale urban combat, nor "elite troops" there. Not to mention the "Finnish" troops in this video are in German SS uniforms. Even if Finnish SS volunteers were a thing, these did not participate in the Karelian front where Viipuri is. The Finnish troops should have been wearing light grey, and no swastika collar markings, the one in video is specifically the Nazi SS Wiking division that fought in Eastern front, Operation Barbarossa. For a channel focused on history, their priority should be truthfulness and accurate portrayal of history. Not fictional pretending and creation of incorrect information.
These versus series almost seem like a Dungeons and dragons story that takes place within different time periods
Alot of people seem to think that it looks hard or tedious to use ski’s in scenarios like war, but it’s actually a lot easier than it looks. Having ski before, I can easily imagine how someone with just mediocre experience could easily equip a firearm while on skis, possibly even while on the move.
Another amazing episode, love the animations
I demand a video about the Continuation War.
Perhaps a "how did" video about the Finnish offensive stage?
yes i feel the finnish success in this war is underrated
But you have a yee yee ass haircut.
Continuation War: Exciting but short offensive stage, then almost three years of boredom and then life or death excitement when defending.
@@stanlee2738 well I disagree because it’s all anyone ever talks about with Finland and the last century
@@ploppyjr2373 well other than our civil war and autonomous period under Russia there isn't much to talk about but Finlands efforts during the continuation war are rarely talked about. Rather people usually focus on the Winter war.
31 Finnish soldiers after defeating 4000 soviet troops:
LMAO EZ
Only in their dreams...
@@user-gm1mk7st8gbaby
White death killing alone 500 soviet troops
@@user-gm1mk7st8g ok russian
@@DerUngarischeKitsune Judging by his avatar and not a Russian name (It is Armenian), he is more of a half-breed, and "Soviet" rather than Russian in culture and ethnicity.
Best series by far. I hope you do more of these squad versus squad analyses
One single Finnish sniper killed 500+ soviet soldiers in the winter war. God bless the Finns
Add 200 more with a sub machine gun
13:12 Glorious soviet machine gunner does not need ammunition to fire his gun. Glorious soviet rifle has factory inside the chamber making bullets without need to reload.
"...in the early years of the winter war..." The war lasted one winter in total...😝
Probably mixed it up with the continuation war which lasted from 1941 to 45. It was also mentioned here so probably just a small mix up.
@@guywithabatpic Even it ended in late 1944. Then Finland was at war with Third Reich.
@@JoriMikke78 wasnt germany and finland allies or atleast fine with each other?
@@don-tw4qm German mon were home bois wit the finish mon during the number too great war
@@JoriMikke78 ayo the german mon went boom boom wit the finish later in de number too great war cuz de finish became anti fasist (how eveha u spel it)
If the Finns had more manpower, equipment, resources, and foreign support, Soviet Union would've sued for peace no doubt
Add popular support. There was no popular support for a war of conquest in Finland. When the Finnish troops advanced beyond the pre-Winter War border, many soldiers refused to advance any further. Their number was such that the soldiers in question were quietly transferred to fortification duties instead of court-martialled. Moreover, Marshall Mannerheim, the Finnish commander-in-chief, opposed attacking Leningrad, stating that it was inconsistent with Finland's war aims.
And save dear karelia
Ok that’s kind of an irrelevant thought though. If any losing power had any more resources you mentioned they would win as well
@@Nik-fz3fi not necessarily as tactic and willpower is important
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I'm addicted to knowledge, i can never know enough. Thanks for this video subbed and liked, i appreciate your time spent on this. Smiles and love from Denmark 🇩🇰
Idea for soldier squad v soldier squad: US Army squad vs NVA/Vietcong Squad
Should be Vietnamese squad vs Chinese squad of Sino-Vietnamise war
I would guess the US Squad would win Urban and open field, and the Vietnamese squad would win jungle.
ARVN vs NVA/Vietcong
harambe squad vs zoo's security squad would be legendary.
Haha! Dude that made me laugh
Hey Armchair I just finished reading midnight of the summer moon and I think you guys should tap into native American battles or raids that took place. The stories that come from that era are absolutely insane and I think this channel would highly benefit from it!
Can’t wait for the game to come out!Good luck on developing I’m definitely going to get it looks awesome!
Wow, this video is very good! Non biased, greatly animated and with good native voice actors!
What about vietnamese vs chinese squads in xino-vietnamese war? Would be great to know more about this conflict (and other less known asian conflicts)!
"at the market square"
This clearly had some Finnish input :)
vitun torille tavataan
Thanks for doing such an interesting and good quality work!
Really great voice acting from both sides! Keep up the good work!
My grandad joined the finish army in 1939. He fought both wars there, as a swedish volunteer.
Big mistake ! The Swedes have a long long history of defeats against the Russians !!
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@@n1kkez227 I'd!!t !
@@svenko just read books .
Grand Army of the Republic squad v.s Confederacy of Independent Systems squads.
Hey that would be actually a great video
Doesn't this channel focus on real world history? Otherwise a cool idea.
That would be nice for like a april fools type video since this channel is doing real world history.
GAR would kick the CIS’s ass. A single clone was capable of taking down dozens of droids. If the CIS squad was humanoid, then it could work.
I love your video, you make me love the history. Just one question when would you do a video for the evolution of the french troops. I think it would be fantastic
It's awesome to see someone who's a student of history and knows A LOT about history make a history game. Looking forward to trying it out
Suggestion: Western front from the British perspective 44-45.
That’s technically what’s written in most history books
@@houtama6370 he said British not American.
The Finnish narration sounded like it was straight out of Lord of the Rings. Not surprising, considering that Tolkien was inspired by the Kalevala and based Quenya on the Finnish language, which he found melodic.
Glad the Squad vs Squad series is back. I really enjoyed the American Squad vs German Squad episode as well as the Japanese Squad vs Australia Squad vid. You should do another one but have it set in the medieval era
Great video, looking forward to your next videos❣❣
Why does the finnish late war uniform just look like a german uniform? It should be more light grey and ”airy” not as tight fotting as the german fieldblouse.
Because for some reason this animation uses German Waffen-SS uniforms for the Finns.
Tamppaaja yeah pretty dumb.
Lazy animators
animators didn't care
Its such a shame they didn't bother making the late war uniforms
I love the cinematics showcasing the various weapons in the video.
surprised not to hear of the Finnish tactic of "Motti" being included. From what I recall of talking to a 95 year old reindeer farmer in about 2001, (via a translator), it was a significant and important part of the Finnish battle plan.
this channel's quality is just getting better and better!
The Finnish uniforms look nothing like the real thing. Like super far off. They didn't wear SS-skulls (besides Finnish volunteers in the Waffen-SS) nor did they have swastikas on their lapels, rather their rank would show on the lapels.
If I were to guess, animators took an easy route and just reused German models which are close enough to Finnish uniforms. Then forgot to tweak them.
I'm so glad that this series is continuing! I was worried that it had been forgotten about!
WE NEED MORE OF THESE SERIES
This was an excellent video, the voice acting in the native language was a real treat on top of an already entertaining video. Im reminded of that "Deadliest Warriors" series and how I always loved the scenes were after doing the weapon and tactics comparison they did the battle between the two groups being compared.
Well done.
This is amazing,I can't wait to see more squad vs squad videos
The animations in 2022: *real life actors with shooting real fucking bullets*
Uh oh ..you did a sweard I'm telling mom
Naw that's just the coming and inevitable EOTWAWKI...
@@danielzerich2179 nooo, don't tell mommy
Another Factor to consider about the Winter War is Stalin's paranoid purges of Soviet Military a couple years before it happened leaving New and unprepared officers who were picked because they liked Stalin and not because they were actually good
Love the content especially the introduction of each side in native languages. Eventough only things that feel off is the outfit of Finns in Continuation war. Even some Finns served in SS unit and they have similar (which is not that similair) looks but Finnish army uniform are totally different from the German.
Great to see this series return, I would love to see one of these on Russo - Japanese war.
Yup! And then Soviet-Japanese border conflict in 1938-39 and then war in 1945
That would be great, though I feel like many of those battle requires the input of artillery
You guys have really come a long way over the years! I love your vids, and they just keep getting better!
I'll have to pick up Fire and Maneuver when it's released! Thanks for all your hard work. It shows =)
Damn another great episode. I know I don't speak for just myself, but I can watch these 24/7 until I pass out. Great geography, great research, just a 5 star presentation. Super job and please keep them coming. I feel it's almost fraud that I didn't have to pay to see.
How have I never seen this before, this is awesome video man
I love these squad vs. squad videos, keep them coming!!!
Union Forces vs Confederate forces would be pretty interesting
That is a good idea! They could even do different phases of the war.
Early = Bull Run/Manasass
Middle = Shiloh
End = Petersburg
but there is no real sqad until the end of mid wwi that woudl carry action alone ? Stormtroopers (German: Sturmtruppen[2] or Stoßtruppen[3]) were specialist soldiers of the German Army. In the last years of World War I, Stoßtruppen ("shock troopers" or "shove troopers") were trained to use infiltration tactics - part of the Germans' improved method of attack on enemy trenches.[
Awesome video Griffin keep up the great content!! ❤️🖊⚡️