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Jon was a anti-cosmic satanist not a Hindu. He was just attracted to the vibe of darkness that the Hindu goddess Kali is. Kali in Hinduism is the feminine manifestation of destruction of God. But she is not evil or a demon. Everything in the universe has beginning, existence and destruction. I have no idea why Abhramic religions think that is evil. Entropy and destruction then rebirth is the nature of the universe.
You're absolutely right. All the difference is that abrahamic religions and hinduism have a fundamentally different vision of what good and evil is. What abrahamic religions consider destructive and evil is seen by hinduism as part of cosmic creation and nature. Then from the abrahamic perspective, some hindu deities are closer to evil deities or demons. That's why satanist may be interested in this dark vibe, but misunderstand that hinduism see it as positive and wealthy.
I wouldn't say that about Islam. Some of the 99 names of Allah are quite terrible, yet they hold Him as positive (The Bringer of Dishonor, The Destroyer, The Bringer of Death, The Afflictor etc)
Not to mention the devotion of Kali's followers: how they slit their tongues in Her name .
And wasnt the song Black Dragon about all the "devourers" of the world? The serpents. Apep, leviathan, jormungandr, tiamat... And arent all those somehow important to anti-cosmic satanism?..
@@Vahisofficial super late, but yeah basically. Each dragon named , I believe, is connected as one, under the name Azerate the eleven as one. Kinda like how in Hinduism all gods are individuals BUT part of THE one, the source. Jon, if I remember correctly, was very interested in that aspect of the Azerate. It's kinda interesting, the aspect of universal balance that involves what many would label as evil or wrong. Personally I don't think this divines are evil or good. They serve a higher purpose than us, but a purpose still. WE may see , say, apep as an evil entity for trying to destroy the creations of Ra but destruction Is necessary. We're human, we're limited to our mortality and relatively uh... Limited view of this cosmos. We think of things being simply good or evil when there's so much more to it. Maybe even the gods' understanding of the way of fate is limited just not as much as ours as they are technically higher forms of life with a great sway on things. Their choice are of greater consequence. We think bad thoughts, nothing bad is guaranteed to happen. A god gets angry and the world could explode.
Say what you want about Jon Nodtveidt, the M-f’er could play the guitar.
*Nödtveidt
He was a hell of a songwriter, too.
zombiTrout and one of the greatest black metal vocalists
zombiTrout Hell yea he could and was a master songwriter. One of the very best!
Allot better than shuldiner.
Jon Nödtveidt is a legend. His musicianship and song writing skill is exceptional, his voice is strong and clear, understandable. I love all Dissection albums, but somehow Reinkaos is the one that stuck with me since its release. I can never get bored of it.
Péter Czéh hail Azerate
The riffs in the early dissection days are far slicker and very catchy. But Reinkaos is a deeper and superior in the lyric department.
'A legend', yknow, except for that whole 'randomly killing an innocent man' thing and planning the sacrificial murders of multiple people, including Jon's girlfriend
and ex-Dissection members... luckily the latter didn't happen.
Dissection made good music, but Jon and others of the MLO were f*cking idiots that lost their brains.
Dissection =GODS
As a Hindu I find this song absolutely inspiring. A perfect flaming benediction for my eternally pagan soul. Hail Jon Nodtveidt!
If this song was made in India, people will boycott I'm sure
@@marsmission8982 You do know there are Indian extreme metal bands, some of which are pretty damn good, and some of which incorporate blasphemous sounding themes, right?
@@lightyagami1752 the true black metal come from Norway and should have stayed there in the 90s or in Scandinavia and not get to america or Asia now days metal is bullshit not true
As you are Hindu how can you say your pagan soul
@@Luciferhell5 Do you even understand what paganism is? Hindus were pagan long before Europeans even found (pagan, pre-Christian) religion lol.
While it's nice to see metal bands try to branch out in their themes, its disappointing when folks don't bother to do even some basic research. As a indian metalhead, here's a couple of misconceptions I keep seeing:
1) Shiva isn't a goddess. Shiva is a god. He's male not female. Behemoth made a mistake with that song Goddess Shiva and everyone's been confused ever since.
2) While the idea of Shiva as a God of destruction and Kali as Goddess of Death/Destruction may make people somehow associate them to be demonic or evil like a Satan/Lucifer character that unfortunately is not the case. When we say Shiva is a god of destruction, it means he's a destroyer of evil. He's still a good guy. Same with Kali.
Here's a high level gist for those who are completely unfamiliar with Hindu mythology. There are three main gods in Hinduism known as the holy Trinity - Brahma (the creator), Vishnu (the preservor) and Shiva (the destroyer). The idea being that the universe goes through cycles of creation and destruction. In every iteration, the world progressively gets corrupted by evil. Vishnu keeps taking avatars (incarnations) to periodically destroy evil and restore balance to the world. Some of his famous incarnations are Krishna, Rama, etc. However, despite this the world always reaches a point where it is beyond saving. At that point, Shiva comes in and destroys the world to pave the way for Brahma to recreate a fresh universe. And the cycle goes on infinitely. Same with Kali, she's an incarnation of Shakti/Parvati who is Shiva's wife. She takes this war crazed incarnation to strike fear and destroy the demons but as per some versions of mythology she loses control in her rage form which is when Shiva intervenes to bring her back to her senses. She doesn't kill him.
It's impossible to explain three millenniums worth of mythology in a CZcams comments section but hopefully this is of some help to those interested. Cheers!
Very well explained brother. As an Indian BMhead, I keep seeing these misconceptions. But what I understand is that these misconceptions are only with "mainstream" metal bands such as Behemoth. Bands like Rotting Christ, Dissection did some research. Cult of Fire and Raventale are other bands who have tried to represent our culture and history correctly. They have made tons of mistakes (like COF making Mahadev look like Satan and stuff like) but they learned and the next shows, they stopped doing that. I can't blame them as there is lack of clarity even in our own country. Very few people know our culture properly, most youths are in the impression that these are myths. So a for a band in Europe, trying their best to understand and represent our culture, if there is some mistake, I have no hard feelings.
But a band not willing to do any research is just bullshit. Mainstream is one reason and second reason is, Behemoth is NOT a black metal band (black metal is the only genre which embraces spirituality). No matter how much Satan and evil they can show, that is just a shit image. Nergal is an atheist, he wouldn't care much about our culture as much as christianity. Also he is a guy who plays country/pop music elsewhere. Poser.
@@trvebm7812 Shiva is also female in some really damn popular Japanese games, like the Final Fantasy series. They like to take stuff from other cultures there and just mash it together while changing everything though, so that could've been intentional. I think it's in part because of the name ending in -a, to most Europeans it's only natural that this would be a feminine name, but I guess they should do more research simply. I assume it's the same in Japan or any other culture. Hinduism is extremely complex, the main trinity is easy to understand, but the wealth of denominations, rituals associated with them and lesser gods/stories about them is astounding. It also seems underrepresented when it comes to mythologies shown in various forms of media/entertainment (most folks know way more about Egyptian or Japanese gods and myths). It's still fascinating nevertheless!
You forgot Scamshu, the god of internet scams.
My path in spirituality has described this and Father or as people know as I Am led me to understand life and death, ressurection and destruction, while the core elements of righteous is in the bible, I Am has told me to reach deeper and has been introducing I to Hinduism, in a vision he called me as Shiva
I just been schooled!!! Cheers!
Dissection - Thorns of crimson death
Andreas Edvinsson this
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hell yeah!
Best song ever
Perfection.
Maha Kali was not only their last album / song on that album. It was also the last song they played live - ever. Interessting...
I knew Jon when he was a young teenager. We shared rehersalspace in Strömstad, Sweden, where we grew up. A bright and happy go lycky-kind of kid, some 3-4 years younger than me. And what a extremly gifted guitarplayer! He outplayed all of us when he was 13. He was a devoted statanist even back then. But I didn´t take it seriously. But I was certain he would be a world famous musician.
@Preservation of Fire why lol
U know ur friend murdered a homosexual
@@awitarrieta385 Because he did kill himself at a young age? You may have different worldview from me, but for me this is just another idiotic suicide driven by some form of religion, I'm definitely for metal being non-conformist but a young person thinking he achieved enough and killing himself in a circle of black candles is not normal for me. It's a pity for the fans, pity for his family and in general an idiotic thing to do. Still, I love Dissection, just not sure if his "manifest" had any sense at all.
@@joker718 well why live if you feel you done enough to this world i mean why suffer
I remember seeing a picture of him as a young teen with a pentagram on. He was very devoted at an age you only see when someone is called to priesthood. I don't have to tell you because you knew him, that guy's path was hard.
I know since he went to the void he has had it better. What a transformation. His music gives me real hope for myself. Can't wait to see it through to completion some day.
The lyrics to this particular song are basically an open suicide letter of frontman Jon Nödtveidt. R.I.P. And the music itself ranks to me as some of the best blackened death metal ever created. To me, Jon was probably the best songwriter, frontman and guitarist in all of Scandinavian metal, and I miss him sorely.. :(
Except that the lyrics weren't written by Jon. They were written by Frater Neimdial.
And Reinkaos is musically pretty straightforward melodic death metal.
@@Svartsejd did not know that. Probably safe to say he sang this song with the knowledge that he was going to end his life. So much emotion in his voice and especially the live version. Great song and lyrics either way
Respect this request from Jon..... Not rip..... R.I.C.
I agree. Jon was a True Satanic Warrior. For me Dissection is always on the top. HAIL Black Flame Of Azerate!!! 666
Dissection - God of Forbidden Light
Dark Mother Divine
Yes, this one
Yes!
Great sonng but How can you not name like Heavens damnation and in the cold winds of nowhere?
MahaKali is mother Goddess.
Mother nature.
People from outside always portrays her as this dark entity. She is the most compassionate than anything she is all about giving. She is the mother.
I know what you mean. She cut her own head off to give her children her own blood. Now that's devotion.
I've seen Dissection live two times really close. Nödtveidts live presence was amazing. You could feel his dark and satanic atmosphere.
Im so jealous. Lucky.
I saw them twice as well once 96 w Morbid Angel and once in Tijuana best shows of my life...... total Satanic presence!!!!!
I bet
"The Satanist decides over his own life and death and prefers to go with a smile on his lips when he has reached his peak in life, when he has accomplished everything, and aim to transcend this earthly existence. But it is completely un-Satanic to end ones own life because one is sad or miserable. The Satanist dies strong, not by age, disease or depression, and he chooses death before dishonor! Death is the orgasm of life! So live life accordingly, as intense as possible!"
-Jon Nödtveidt
We all know thats a BS statement from Jon. I am not saying he did not say that but Jon was manic depressive since his early teens and a heavy substance abuser. The satanic stuff was just a excuce for his action. Just listen to his early stuff like the somberlain and in the cold winds of nowhere
Hi, Indian atheist metalhead here. Kali is quite a big deal for Hindus. She is a dark goddess, one of the 10 forms of goddess Sati. Because of her dark nature she is worshipped by all the bad ass sadhus and tantriks (dark saints usually dealing with death and funerals). Usually animal worship is quite common during her Puja, apparently she desires sacrifice. There used to be human sacrifices, now of course they are illegal. During old times any sort of dacoity was done only after offering Puja to goddess Kali. Her nudity, her viciousness and her ornaments of body parts just add to her charm and is quite an exciting subject for Indian black metal bands. Her mythology is very very interesting but I saw it was already covered by another comment.
Anyways that's my first comment to your channel. I really love your videos. Like you all, even I was reacting to this song much to my pleasant surprise that Indian goddesses are also getting deserved traction in metal, there's a lot of subject matter here. Keep reacting, stay metal. 🤟
Very nice. Thank you for sharing this!
Hail dissection...
From India here...we have a thrash metal
" one of the 10 forms of goddess -Sati- *Shakti* "
Sati being an Avatar of the Goddess Shakti (the primordial energy). 😉👌
Yes maybe. I am shit at mythology actually.
Rotting christ - devadevam thats hindu right?
You are very correct that Hinduism is a very diverse religion and in reality it's a religion of many religions.
Your friend is a Hare Krishna they consider themselves Bhakti Yogi's. For them Krishna is the supreme Godhead. Krishna is the equivalent of Jesus for the Christians. All the other Hindu Deities according to Hare Krishna are Demi God's.
There are 3 main branches of Hinduism Vaishnavas (Vishnu is supreme) Shaivites (Shiva is supreme) and Shaktas (Goddess is supreme)
Your friend is a part of the Vaishnava tradition as Krishna is Vishnu.
Now Shiva is complex he is considered the God of Destruction. But not in the sense as we think of it. He is not considered a malevolent God. He is the God who transforms. The shedding on skin sort of speak. He is also very closely associated with meditation and yoga. Many Women will pray to Shiva for children he is the giver and taker
Shaktas are usually worshippers of Shiva's wife Kali or another incarnation Parvati, Durga. Kali is the Goddess of Time. She is believed to literate us from illusion. She is the destroyer of Demons. She is presented as scary but each intricate detail has deep symbolic meaning. The deer perceives the Lioness as scary where Cubs see a loving mother.
Also a side note many the demons in Hindu mythology are devoted to the Gods. The difference between a demonic Yogi and a faithful Yogi is the demonic want some form of power where as the faithful want nothing but devotion. This is a foreign concept that an evil demon can be devoted to God however look at all the evil men who profess to worship Jesus. In Hinduism you can be evil or even a Demon and still be devoted to God. In Christianity or Islam we may say "oh they don't truly believe in God"
Last thing although this has very familiar Hindu language this was not written from a Hindu perspective but an anti cosmic Satanist point of view.
You're partially right, but the three sects you describe, none of them perceive any one god to be greater than the other, the three are equally revered and people just choose the deity that resonates with their personality better.
You're on point on the symbolism of Kali and the anti-cosmic perception of this song, this is not a Hindu devotional perspective.
But it's good, you're not as blind as the creators of the video, to be honest.
This is my favourite song of all time. My itune subscription ran out so I came to YT to listen and ran into this😃
Welcome to the fold...muuhahahaha *to be read in your best evil voice lol😈
Guys stop crying about what album or song they do. If there was any album a true Dissection fan would want to see Christians react to it would be Reinkaos. Especially since they read the lyrics
Couldn't agree more. Reinkaos is a one-of-a-kind masterpiece
Exactly. The two earlier albums were dark... But Reinkaos was true to his ideology lyrically speaking.
YYYEEEESSS!!!! Finaly!! Again, Deathspell Omega - Kenose I
I second this notion.
Same here. I think you guys will appreciate it from a theological perspective as well.
internal fire agreed! Kenose may be my favorite release by DsO. Ingenious lyrical concept for them to dissect
I love this album. Reinkaos!
This whole album is an invocation.
Black Dragon.
I still use parts of it in ritual when I am alone. That and Enns set the mood. This album brings so much of what's hidden to the masses. Just playing it brings that Satanic air to the space.
As a Hindu and a metalhead, watching this reaction is the most ignorant experience I have had to go through.
1: Shiva is not a goddess, he's a god, a manifestation of creation itself. Shiva is genderless, Shankar is the male manifestation of Shiv.
2: Shiva is not killed by Kali, Kali is just one of the many female manifestations of Shakti (the opposite of Shiva). There is Brahma (the creator), Vishnu (the protector) - Krishna, Rama and others are various avatars of Vishnu, which he takes on to end evil in the world, but when evil flows over and out of control, that is when Shiva comes in to end all creation so that Brahma can begin anew.
3: Kali, on the other hand is the female version of Shiva laying waste to the demons and evil beings but in her frenzy she goes out of control and that is when Shiva comes in to stop her and save all the good of creation, he is not KILLED by her.
I hope people can understand more from this comment than the video, because anyone who thinks a 15 minute discussion of their perception of Hinduism is what Hinduism actually is then they're in for an extremely misinformed take on the whole faith.
In a phrase, Hinduism is humanity, there isn't a simpler faith, should one wish to delve into it. Taking the mythology out of it, you'd still be left with Hinduism.
Hey I'm also Indian and a huge Metalhead who loves Black Metal,Death Metal,Heavy Metal,Doom Metal etc.
And this reaction was cringe.
I feel very bad i am also Hindu want can we do
@@challengefail3655 Dissection ruless!!!
My favorite part when the woman started talking about which form of God to show devotion to, and said something like, “You are also God” and then the dude corrected her… she was right though. The purpose of any individual’s choice in what form of yoga to practice, through devotion, knowledge, meditation or work, to realize God in all things. Sucks the dude corrected her when she said the only legitimate belief in Hinduism in the entire video
You make a statement on here saying that your opinion on what Jon did won't be popular, but that's fine because you aren't doing it to be popular. Well, guess what? Jon didn't do what he did to be popular either. He did it because it was his belief, just like you do what you do for yours. Just like your beliefs won't be affected by its popularity, neither should his. You said it wasn't cool. I'm pretty sure that opinion as well factors 0 into his decision. He stood by his beliefs just like you do and he took them to his grave. Whether you agree with his decision of not, that should be respected. Which is what the band was referring to in that letter. They weren't asking you to agree or think that it was cool taking his own life, just to respect him for sticking true to himself. Period.
Perfectly said! R.I.C Jon Nodtveidt!!!
Er ok.
@@AgentLemmon No, he was woke from the senseless illusion that 95% of all humans on earth live and believe in...
Xasthur - Screaming at Forgotten Fears
nice, I've been obsessed with this song lately
Same
Same same 🖤
Rest in Chaos Jon.
Ohhh Dissection.
They'll always have a piece of my heart.
I was privileged to see them on their last tour in Salzburg (or Graz, I forget) and got to chat with Jon.
Nicest guy ever. And a fucking amazing writer and guitarist.
Hey guys i am from bangladesh and i am a hindu religious. In the Last festival of mahakali i played this song on 4 pair sounds and everyone on there are getting high to listening and started head banging. I was so surprised.
Hail mother maha kali.
There was a lot of suggestions at the time of Jon’s suicide (by his supporters) that he was ‘happy, focused and almost anxious to end his life on Earth’. I wasn’t there and never met him but ‘Reinkaos’ was panned hard by most Metal critics and Dissection had been kicked off of a festival by a promoter (supposedly at the bequest of Dave Mustaine, although he denied it).
I like Reinkaos despite the criticism that it was simplistic compared to his earlier albums, but I did read somewhere he was depressed about how the album was received. He also expressed regrets about his prison record and murder conviction hurting his personal and economic stability. He mentioned that getting kicked off the festival was depressing...
After reading those things, I wasn’t terribly shocked that he took his life. Saying he was ‘happy and focused’ would be the sort of thing your friends would say knowing how defiant and proud he was. It seems to me he could have produced another album with the hope of it being received better, if he wanted to go out on top. 🤷♂️
Then when you knew his background will satanic shit nope
YESSSS!!! ABOUT TIME WE HAD THIS!
“This Kali character”... wow... that’s kind of disrespectful...
Finally. Great song! R.I.P. Jon
Keep in mind Shiva is an aspect of nature. Its not about evil or good. Its just nature. Destruction is natural and you have to bring something down to create something new
In all my research in India's religion there is no true evil
R.I.C*. Jon
There is no rest for the wicked.
@@bschuler6216 Reign In Chaos is proper for Jon. haha
Maha Kali, dark mother dance for me
In the Devi Mahatmya, Kali consumes the demon Raktabija and all his duplicates, and then dances on their bodies. She dances in ecstasy and is out of control. Shiva, her consort, fearing that she would not stop until she destroyed the world, lay down on the battlefield and she stepped on him. Kali realized that she had gone too far, and calmed down.
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I second this
This
Yes. Good idea. Just hope they understand a little French.
I don't know who's requesting this songs but they have so much better ones like the somberlain,unhallowed,nights blood,soulreaper,black horizons do some of those that's dissection at it's best
@@Juhaliza my favourite from that album it's beyond the horizon reminds me of old kreator but overall it's a weak album
Definitely agree.
Agreed. Love this one, but The Somberlain album has most of their best stuff.
@@TheSpineSplitter1990 the one thing I never liked about them it's that they slowed the tempo too much during live performances while most bands play faster than the records
Probably the least dynamic song off that album, would have preferred Dark Mother Divine or Black Dragon.
Love Your analysis of the song and how the influence music lyrics and people's actions can have on a depressed person
I was a Christian once (although my name says otherwise) and used to think the same thing as a kid when i saw Kali mata with her Skull necklace and arms around her waist , same with every other GOD in Hinduism with 10 heads and looking evil . But once i started reading about it ., i can surely say that it is the most complex , most intricate and most mind opening things a person can learn about.
I do know that you arent familiar with Hinduism and i suggest you to read more about it before coming to conclusions. If not i would like to speak to you guys sometime about this , cause course it cant all be said and understood through text
i’m interested, could you perhaps tell me more or where to start? any book recommendations?
@@goldehh1069 It's a very long subject, I will try to paint in a picture of the surface..As you may know that hinduism has more than a million gods..every village , every town has its own God/Goddess. Something which monotheism lacks.
In Hinduism the Goddesses are the more powerful force eg; The picture of Kali stomping upon the chest of Shiva to stop him from destroying the world.(Kali is actually an avatar of Parvathi who is actually shiva's wife) But as loving and caring as she may be, she is even more capable of destruction than him...(Even the end of all ages is called Kali-yuga) But as simple as it may sound, they are both actually the same being.
Sunil Shivanand ahh i see thank you that’s interesting i’ve seen the picture of kali stomping on shiva’s chest. i consider myself to be ‘spiritual’ and i take things from buddhism but i’ve always been interested in hinduism too. perhaps all religions are part of one whole truth. i meditated on kali yesterday and the whole time i had goosebumps
Vin, you made some excellent points in this video that needed to be said. Thank you for saying them.
A little correction, Kali did not kill Shiva, he laid down in front of her path as he knew any opposing force would futile. It is only then when Kali steps on Shiva when she snaps out of her berserk like trance. Many occultists and spiritual scholars see this an allegory of surrendering to the divine feminine in absolution and one shall be purified enough to attain enlightenment(Moksha), or resist, and your attachments will be your annihilation.
Being a die hard Dissection fan I would say, that Reinkaos was the most original of their albums and the most black metal one. It has devouted passion, individualism, it pounds your ears like a fucking hammer. I absolutely adore it
YESSSS! A Dissection reaction! I've been watching you guys for a long time, but i never got to see this. Dissection rocks!
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375+ over 6 months.
Come on vin do it
Doom nation shall prevail!!!
don't know if anyone told you but you should react to DEMONON VROSIS by ROTTING CHRIST. Trust me on this one.
I dont have to trust. I know they should
@@smalltownlps9898 when they see the name ''rotting christ'' they'll think that it's just another black metal band... wait until they listen.. RC is art!!
They did them like last month but yes.
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That's the whole problem with worshipping Kali, she is the goddess of death and chaos. Worshipping her either awakens you like no one else or destroys you by turning you insane because chaos and entropy are uncontrollable. The problem with Satanists is that they don't understand that Hinduism is about maintaining balance of energies. In Hinduism the Hindus just don't blindly worship a chaos deity because worshiping only death and chaos will disturb your energy because you won't have order and creation to balance it.
There's a reason why even many Hindus who worship Shiva and Kali often worship another deity like Vishnu or Brahma who represent creation and life, according to their belief these two energies balance each other. But the problem with Satanists is that in their quest to worship darkness they essentially follow an absolutely unbalanced religious system.
My favourite Dissection song is "Night's Blood". Just an amazing piece!
Am I the only one who loves this guys, love their reaction, their knowledge, they are super respectul with every band, not like other MFs who are talking during the song or not paying attention.
Haven’t checked this channel in a couple months but nice to see the CZcams algorithm knows I enjoy Dissection. You could really break down any song from this album, it’s rather deep. God of Forbidden Light is a great example.
Jon already had contact with spirits beyond our realm, you got it wrong that he was facing some sort of dark spirit within himself.
He believed humans are prisoners of the Cosmic Order, what most people refer to as God. The illusions he talks about is that Jehovah is a good being and the creator. Through his conviction he saw through it and embraced chaos as a way to break through the illusions and take control.
This is a concept album, 11 songs for 11 gods. The entire album is a ritual unto itself.
218 was a reference to Current 218 or the Temple of the Black Light, which was the sect of satanism he aligned with. If you look for a copy of the Liber Falxifer it will give you a good understanding of what they are about (copies are very expensive).
It's a very difficult subject for sure, but I have a profound respect for Jon and his conviction. He lived true to himself and set out to take back control from what he thought was enslavement, and he achieved it. No living person can say with any authority that what he did was wrong, if you believe it was wrong that is your own belief.
I'm personally leaning to the side of thinking suicide is okay in this respect, if you go out on top and feel you've accomplished everything you need to in this world and you are happy, sure why not? To me it is selfish but I can't fault a man for his own convictions. Suicide is not cool if you do it out of depression.
Jesus basically committed suicide. He knew his paths and had many opportunities to avoid his own death but walked with conviction into it, and he accomplished everything he was supposed to in this world.
That's my perspective anyways, I'd be happy to discuss this in length with anyone.
So Jesus was a victim of his own cosmic order? Haha irony
@@b.entranceperium I mean, yeah. God incarnates himself as his son to save his creations from himself
Great perspective you know what you write about!
@@Johnny8109 He wrote Reinkaos while in prison and even recorded some demos while in prison. He apologized and paid his debt to society, his fans understood that. Maybe his close relatives treated him differently, but that in my opinion would have driven him more into the Current 218 who don't really recognize murder as an absolute sin. From what I've read from his words and his band mates is that he wasn't at all depressed before his suicide, and the ritual he used to do it further lends to the thesis that it was a "religious" suicidal ritual. If you even look at the architecture and lyrics of Reinkaos deeply and try to understand what he was attempting with it, you can see how it was his magnum opus and I think he felt proud of it, so proud that he felt he would never surpass it. That's not a bad way to leave this realm.
There was a video on this channel earlier where Vin made fun of satanic lyrics dealing with the subject matter of taking control of your life. Vin said it's all up to God. If that's true, God chose to allow Jon to perform this ritual suicide at the precise moment. On the other hand, one could say Jon definitely did take control.
It is true that many ex-cons commit suicide. It is also true that all magical acts can be viewed as coincidence, and almost always have a plausible alternate explanation.
@@Scizyr Of course it's just a coincidence. What could be more like an accident than a ritual suicide. After the album with such lyrics.
You two morbid christians react to some Morbid Angel- Maze of torment.
Regarding song, I kept imagining Temple of Doom movie. Sori , cruel, I know :D .
Vin for someone not judging, your every other sentence was judging him. You blew it this time.
Jon was such a genius and wrote fantastic music! So much magic in the music and it's such a joy listening to the first albums. To bad he did what he did to himself and others. Hope his "Travel to Transylvania" gave him what he wanted...
You should do more old Dissection.
And react to.
Dark Funeral - My funeral
Morbid Angel - God of Emptiness
I love you guys, keep up the great work!!!
The reactions are priceless. i find it funny to observe that the guy and the girl are pretty different. i ve watched only 4 of your video reactions but on these 4 videos, if one likes the song, the other doesnt like it that much. thats funny to see the contrast between you too. Q: p
Y'all are on fire!
ROTTING CHRIST-KING OF A STELLAR WAR Saludos Vin y Sori desde México.
Maha Kali was much later. Their past albums like "The Somberlain", "Storm of the Light's Bane" and "Where Dead Angles Lie" EP are really good. And the early death metal demos.
I love Dissection... and this song blows my mind , greetings from Philippines ,cheers guys.
About time!
You are the only Reaction Channel I am subscribed! Your comments and reactions videos rules! You guys make an excellent songs selection, and make a great couple! My best wishes for you this 2019 \,,/
This analysis is done by a greek guy I guess, but is accurate. If you
want to know about all the other songs of the album, google "Dissecting
Dissections' Reinkaos"
This song is dedicated to Kali, the Hindu goddess of death, destruction, time, transformation and liberation.
Her
common image shows her as having four arms, but in her Maha Kali
("Great Kali") form she has ten arms, ten legs and ten faces.
Maha Kali, dark mother dance for me
In
the Devi Mahatmya, Kali consumes the demon Raktabija and all his
duplicates, and then dances on their bodies. She dances in ecstasy and
is out of control. Shiva, her consort, fearing that she would not stop
until she destroyed the world, lay down on the battlefield and she
stepped on him. Kali realized that she had gone too far, and calmed
down.
Let the purity of your nakedness awaken me
Kali's
nakedness is very often mistaken by Westerners to represent sexuality.
However, this line gets it perfectly right: her nakedness - just like
her free, long hair - is a symbol of purity, because Kali represents the
ultimate Truth (Brahman), Nature or "the way things are".
Yours are the fires of deliverance which shall bring me bliss
Yours is the cruel sword which shall set my spirit free
Kali's fires are the fires of cremation grounds, and her sword represents the severing of ignorance and ego.
Devourer of life and death who rule beyond time
In thy name I shall fulfil my destiny divine
Maha Kali, formless one, destroyer of illusion
Your songs forever sung, the tunes of dissolution
In the Mahanirvana-tantra, Shiva praises Kali:
"[...]Thou art the Origin of and devourest all things[...]"
"Re-assuming
after Dissolution Thine own form, dark and formless, Thou alone
remainest as One ineffable and inconceivable. Though having a form, yet
art Thou formless[...]"
Kalika, black tongue of fire, embrace me
Kali appears in the Mundaka Upanishad as the black tongue of the seven flickering tongues of Agni, the Hindu god of fire.
Jai Kalika! Jai Kali!
"Jai" means "Glory to" or "Hail" in Hindi, and Kalika is another name for Kali, meaning "the black one".
Smashana Kali, I burn myself for thee
"Smashana Kali" means "Kali of the Cremation Ground", so it makes sense to call her that when one "burns" oneself.
O dark mother, hear me calling thee
Mahapralaya, bring to me
Through all illusions I shall see
I shall cremate this world and set my essence free
As
I mentioned in the comment on Starless Aeon, Mahapralaya is the Great
Dissolution where all 14 realms (10 lower realms and 4 higher realms)
are destroyed.
Therefore, in this verse Kali is requested to bring The End.
"O Kali, thou art fond of cremation grounds
So I have turned my heart into one, that thou may dance there unceasingly.
O mother, I have no other fond desire in my heart.
Fire of a funeral pyre is burning there."
This text was taken verbatim from the Devotional Songs of Rama Prasada (Ram Prasad).
Jai Maha Kali, Jai Ma Kalika [x2]
Kali Mata, namo nama [x2]
The prefix "Ma" and the suffix "Mata" both mean "Mother".
"Namo namah" means "We bow/salute to thee" in Sanskrit (repeated twice in honor).
Jai Kalika! Jai Kali!
At your left hand for endless victory
Maha Kali, come to me
Kali
has (at least) two left hands. The object that consistently appears at
one of her left hands is the severed head, and not her sword (images of
Kali in her terrible form put the sword at her upper right hand).
So in this verse Kali is requested to bring forth the microchaos, whereas in the next one:
Jai Kalika! Jai Kali!
Mahapralaya will set our spirits free
Maha Kali, come to me
She is asked to bring forth the macrochaos.
Way to end an album.
Dissection and Jon are huge inspirations for Watain. Erik and Jon were very close, and Jon is the person who brought them into the Gnostic Satanist magical order (The Misanthropic Luciferian Order, aka Temple of The Black Light). Jon actually offered up his own girlfriend to be sacrificed in a ritual at one point before some of the less seriously devoted members ended up getting law enforcement involved (mostly out of fear for their own lives).
They know that they have a negative effect on the world and that is kinda their mission. They don't care, and they represent (among other things) hate for humanity and this world... aka "creation". They want it all to burn.
Everytime vin watching a death or black metal band he got that dare stare going
I respect you guys on a high level but I think you're misunderstanding Jon's beliefs. I personally would also want him to live on but for him he didn't commit suicide like how we view it, he commited suicide to enter another realm where he may join the anti cosmic forces in the last battle. For him being a human was being limited. I am very thankful what he had done throughout his life and even though I'll rather live on a world with him, we still have to take a look from his perspective. Also you have to look at his views from his perspective. Anti cosmic satanism isn't really bad, yes they do praise chaos, evil and darkness but then they view the cosmic gods as the bad ones as they enslave humans while lucifer for example rebelled against god and showed humans freedom by doing that. Also in the bible there isn't as much lucifer doing bad things such as killing the population but having god kill his "own creation" is much more described. In the anti cosmic world the anti cosmic gods are the ones who give humans freedom unlike the cosmic gods. Just a perspective to look at it from. But yh remember I still respect you guys and I do think you are highly intelligent but I thought in this video you didn't really put yourself in his place...
Either way its bad sorry but you ain't going to heaven for that
@Post Mortem, very well put
I'm not even into black metal.... but this song is amazing ... killer riffs and solo... great melody... its one of the few songs that, in my case, I liked since I listened to it the very first time.
This isn't really black metal, it's more sort of melodic death metal than anything.
Oh boy something to watch with lunch!
Please, do King Diamond - "Abigail" full album reaction/review. It's a great horror story you've to finish and hear from beginning to end.
Their "Songs for the Dead Live" DVD/Bluray/Digital is now available! It contains the "Abigial" album in its entirety. As a matter of fact twice; two very different live performances to choose from (Philadelphia's Fillmore 2015 and Graspop Metal Meeting 2016). King is 62 years, but still hits those high-pitched falsetto notes he's known for.
If you’ve a chance, please go and see the release party. That would make an awesome video!
For more information check this link: @t
Erik Danielsson of and Set Teitan sometimes of Watain both played with Dissection.
Be'lakor - The smoke of many fires
That song truely became a phenomenon.
Back then, when the Maha Kali Ep was released (Believe it or not, i got my signed one by Jon himself at WOA 2005) everyone hated that song.
I dont know a single dude who actually liked it at first.
Then things changed and that one became better everytime i listened to it. Same with almost everyone of my friends...
Nowadays its like everyone knows it and likes it.
Dissection's 3rd and final album is a love letter to the dark gods and underappreciated as most only talk about the first two albums. Very provocative song and video. I notice Vin and Sori didn't do a rating here...
gp365y I’m sure sonically they enjoyed the song, how can you not? But the message his suicide sends clearly soured it for them.
Honestly as cool as the song is, it is kinda disturbing for that reason.
The Piper Never Dies - Edguy
Amazing Vektor t-shirt. 🤘
I can't remember my password for the website and it's not letting me reset it. It says it will send me an e-mail but it never does. HELP!
Best album this band has ever written in my opinion.
Kālī is the destroyer of evil forces. Also known as the Divine Mother or Mother of the Universe. Kālī is worshipped as a divine protector and one who liberates. Also, Shiva is a God. Not a goddess.
So now that you have read who Kālī is, does it change your interpretation of the song? For me it seems like he was asking for his soul to be liberated or protected from the darkness that was consuming him. Especially given his history that led up to this album. Just my thoughts though.
i totally agree, the way i see it this is more of a ritual Album, and the melodic riffs, i simply love them, so definitely my fav album by the band.
While your comment is interesting, you need to look at this song through the teachings of MLO. I have only brushed myself with the teachings of MLO while reading thorough interpretation of whole Reinkaos album with references to Liber Azerate so I don't want to preach here but from what I understood, Kali is viewed as literal goddess of death there and this song was invocation of Jon towards her.
It's about damn time!
I’m in a patreon alliance, I requested multiple times within the alliance plus there are multiple Architects songs request on the website. I been trying to get an Architects song requested for what feels like a year. Architects - A Match Made In Heaven plz
do Deathstars - Via The End, it was written by Jon's brother the night he found out that Jon had killed himself
Yes! Dissection is an amazing band
More Death Metal, a week of it you could say all the Old School Stuff
Bolt Thrower - The IVth Crusade
add Cenotaph by them as well.
Hell yeah keep requesting!
Bolt Thrower - Salvo
23:57 ye they even have anhother song in that album called: Dark mother Divine
And Black Dragon
Some of us just feels like we don't belong in this world.. like we are spiritually bound and it is a suffering words cannot describe.
It has nothing to do with upbringing or outside influences.
It is something we feel is so true, that our very essence twists in eternal agony.
And just existing in this reality is a prison for our very Soul.
And Death is the deliverance of our soul from the prison and lie that is life.
By Sobek, Vin! I think you're on to something!
Moonspell - Night Eternal
Great band
It reminds me of vampires awakening
Very fun song to play along on guitar. Not too easy, not too difficult, just perfect.
Finally!!!!! A song from Reinkaos. You guys should do more very deep theological album. The whole of the album's lyrics is taken from the Liber Azerate, the singers Luciferian cult scripture.
Remember when In Flames was this good too? Now I'm just depressed.
It is to my understanding that not only its the last song of the record. Its also the last song he ever performed live.
Storm of the Light's Bane is a great album \m/
These guys helped get me into the darker side of metal
Hinduism sees time as an endless wheel turning, there's no beginning nor end. After death comes rebirth and after destruction comes creation. In that context, Kali (as a representation of time and death) is not a "bad" or "good" goddess, she just is. Good vs bad dichotomy is more of a Christian thing.
Jon didn't write the lyrics, his occult leader did. Jon did chose to use these lyrics for the last song in the album so maybe it symbolize his readiness for rebirth.
My first time hearing this band.They are 10x better than that Tool shit you’ve been playing all week.
Word
While I respect Tool, they aren't nearly as good as people are saying they are.
Haha been saying this all week and the keyboard warriors have been calling me all sorts!
Stephen Hitchen me to..lol.
Listen to their "storm of the lights bane" album. absolute masterpiece.
Dissection, At The Gates and Morbid Angel...March of '96 at the Thirsty Whale.. one of the all time great underground shows.
damn thats epic
So what about cult of fire - when death is all, their like batushka in fact anything from cult of fires transcendental meditation of death is good Kali themed black metal
If you are interested in learning about Kali and the benevolent worship of the Dark Mother read up on Ramakrishna. She is called dark mother but dark is not to be taken as evil. She is portrayed as Black as she represents the Universe.
You should try whole Reinkaos album - it's the last album that Jon's wrote before he committed suicide, all the lyrics are true inspiration into the Anticosmic Satanism, as a compilation of chants to the lords from the other side (t
Nestor Avalos Official Storm of the Light’s Bane is a better pick for a whole album. They’d get bored of Reinkaos after a while
@@dan_the_pathmaster7934 well - Reinkaos it's my favorite one , but it's . a personal opinion, I suggested Reinkaos, because the content of the Lyrics and the context ideological that defines the last part of Jon's and band life - most of them are orations , invocations to the dark forces - truly ones, not this kind of "dark" "blasphemous" that most bands use - but, everyone has the right to preach what they want
Cool Vektor shirt! I love that album! Please review THE FACELESS!
Great band, awsome song. A sad desicion but at least we can remember him through his music...
Please react to "Nothing Is Not" by Morbid Angel and "In Their Darkened Shrines" by Nile.
props to that vektor shirt vin right away!
A Pralaya is basically the destruction of the lower realms, the Mahapralaya is all realms, including the higher ones, so it's a complete and total destruction of the cosmos, which fits with the anti-cosmic Satanism of this band.
The Shia thing you mentioned btw is Ashura, I think I may have asked you about it once in a fireside looong ago.
so what did you think of the song? (no lyrical but the music in general)
NICE T-SHIRT VIN!
Great song guys , RIP JON
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