WIND CORRECTION ANGLE + Time calculations in Holding Part 3 / EXPLAINED by CAPTAIN JOE
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Dear friends and flight students, welcome back to my channel and to this third and last video of the holding pattern series. Today we´ll discuss how to maintain within the holding using wind and time corrections.
First you have to determine the so called WCA = Wind correction angle. The following rule applies.
Windangle x Windspeed
divided by True Airspeed of the plane
In our example we calculated a WCA of 6°. Now depending on where the wind is coming from you either subtract or add the WCA to your heading in order to fly the inbound course and not get pushed of your desired track towards the holding fix.
During turns you can´t apply the WCA, so to compensate you therefore have to add the WCA once you´ve established yourself on the outbound course, plus another WCA for the actual flight along the outbound leg, plus a third time as you are performing another turn at the outbound end. So 3 x 6 is 18 degrees of correction just on the outbound leg.
So memorize. 1x WCA for the inbound leg, and 3x WCA for the outbound leg.
Timing is also crucial within a holding. The idea is, always to end up with a one minute inbound leg. So in order to correct for wind again you have to shorten (tailwind) or lengthen (headwind) your outbound leg.
Is the wind blowing at a tailwind calculate 1 second per 1 knot windspeed. If you have 20 knots tailwind you subtract 20 seconds of one minute and fly the outbound leg only for 40 seconds.
Same rule applies for the headwind, just that you have to add the seconds to your outbound timing.
But see more what happens in case of a crosswind.
I hope you enjoy this video, I admit it´s a little more technical and you might have to watch two or three times to fully understand, but once you get the hang of it and practice these calculations you´ll have a blast using this technique in the actual plane!
Thank you very much for your time, and don´t forget "A good pilot is always learning"
Wishing you all the best, your "Captain Joe"
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Airline Pilot of 28 years on the 777/747 and a Captain of 17 years and this is awesome from Captain Joe. Thanks for helping me brush up Captain!
Captain Joe, thank you so much for making these videos. You mightn't be an airline captain yet, but of all the pilot CZcamsrs I follow, you and DutchPilotGirl are the Captains. You're both organized, make the video interesting, make information easier for the viewer to understand, are straight to the point and have good music!
Hello Joe. First of all: Thanks so much for sharing your high quality knowledge and all your time to teach it to all followers. In your video at 0:45 there is a little mistake with the signing before the both FL140. Little but important as all in aviating. Best regards. Capt. Ralph
I just discovered this channel today, and I've been watching for hours. I'm not a pilot, but I find aviation very interesting. Thank you for making these videos.
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Thanks so much you really help me out :D
@Kyrie Darwin glad I could help xD
Captain Joe Can you make a video on SID & STAR ?
Great request, I second that :-) . Currently doing my IR training, that would help a lot, thanks Joe
LNAV/VNAV......FLC
Thanks Joe, I'm doing circuits this weekend and this really helped me! especially with the autumn weather here in Melbourne AU!!
Thanks for the videos, much appreciated!
Im in Melbourne too, thinking of going for my PPL. What flight school did you go with?
I had an oral on holdings last Tuesday, and this video came out on the perfect time. I’m so happy☺️☺️ I really appreciate ur job on the utube helping us future commercial pilots during our flight training💯
Thank u so much Captain Joe✈️
❤️
So, the direct entry works different for EASA than it’s for ANAC ( Brazilian aviation agency)... we consider a direct entry a certain angle range where you can intercept the inbound course directly.... I’ve never seen an entry where you fly the radius of the curves and then a 90º curve to intercept a leg....that’s new for me and it proves that I need to study more.
Henrique Carneiro ... that seemed “different” to me as well since we fly towards the fix, pass-over and proceed outbound turn and so on...🤔
Terrific .... I’ve been a flight instructor since 1979, and this is the easiest explanation I’ll be using for my students 👍
Many thanks for posting.
Hi. There is even an easier way to calculate the WCA and it works fine, too.
1st: Take your Holding speed, e.g. 180 kts and divide it by 60, equals 3. That's your speed factor.
2nd: Divide wind speed by your speed factor, e.g. wind 270/20. 20/3 roughly 6°. That's the maximum WCA.
3rd: Determine the difference between wind angle and inbound course. If it's
1/3 (0° - 30°) use 1/3 of max WCA,
2/3 (31 - 60°) use 2/3 fo max WCA or
3/3 (61° - 90°) (full crosswind) use max. WCA
Let's say the inbound leg is 230°, then the wind direction is 2/3 in relation to your inbound course.
4th: calculate WCA: 2/3 of 6° equals 4°.
And that's it. I used this technique on my screenings and on Flight Sim on PC and it always worked out well.
Happy Landings!
Captain joe's formula only gives correct results for angles of 30 degrees. There are serious deviations at angles of 30 degrees and above.
Hi Joe, you make thursdays the best day off the whole week. Thank you for that!! How are you going with the type rating? Can't wait to see you with her
Alvaro Cifuentes I agree! Each time I see the notification, I get all hyper and excited!!
Alex Osterrieth me 2
Hi jo, great video it was definitely very interesting and informative.
Ps. I just found your channel and immediately subscribed I love it !!
Good luck with everything you do.
Sarah A. Thanks😌
At 0:44 holding time at or below FL140 is 1 min. Above FL140 is 1 min 30 sec.
@Captain Joe mention it correctly in his script. But the embedded subtitle is the other way around.
Wow! This really took the difficulty out of holding patterns for me in my training. Thanks Captain Joe!
Amazingly well made videos! Great resource, too! Keep them coming.
my man thank you you are not like other IG pilots who only post their selfies show what they eat and where they fly .... you are the best! we learn a lot from you. Hope to come across with you some day at any airport. My regards from Turkey :)
Great video! I had never had wind correction explained to me in such a clear way.
thank you so much Joe ! i'm working for my instrument rating exam and your videos helps me so much !!!
Captain joe I love you man! I wish and the all class wish to have you for instructor!
Hi Joe, I'm Joe, a pilot with IFR left on the to-do list. I found this 3 part Hold Series very direct, simple, and helpful. I'd like to add one thing, and please correct me if I'm wrong...
If you would like to enter the Direct Entry Pattern, there's 2 ways: flying directly onto the inbound leg with WCA applied once flag is centred, and watch for flag flip to start the first turn and timer and be established. Or as you described, flying accross the fix to the outbound leg.
So how would you determine WHERE in space is the outbound leg, exactly. Is it by (?):
-Flying towards fix, with a perpendicular radial to that of the original HOLD radial so that you can intercept the DIAMETER length of the holding pattern, which we would know if we were in a FAST enough aircraft to be within the altitude speeds (below 6k' 200KIAS, 6-14k': 230 KIAS, etc.). Which we would know because we calculated it with you, e.g. 230kIAS we know diameter is 2.42nm.
- So then we divide 2.42/3.8 = 0.637. Then multiply this by 60 to give us roughly 38 seconds. Then we would apply the rule of thumb you taught us; so if we have a tailwind closer to your 6 o'clock than your 9 o'clock, add 1 sec for every 1kt.
- So let's take your example into consideration... if we wanted to fly accross the fix, I would have the OBS set to 090, centre it after I cross the fix, and fly that for 48 seconds (38s + 0.5x20 = 48) since wind is 330/20, and once I'm already timing, set the OBS back to the original of 180 INBOUND, so that at the 48s mark, and I turn, we're exactly where the OUTBOUND leg should be. And then proceed from there applying our WCAs accordingly.
SO, is this accurate? I cannot think of another way to simply fly accross the fix and land on the outbound leg if you don't know where it is, as probably displayed on the FDS.
Thank you, appreciate the content!
Joe
Captain Joe I would like to ask you this question
What is the emergency procedure for all grounded and incoming flights in case of an earthquake?
Can the pilots feel the quake or is there an instrument to indicate an earthquake
Why would a pilot still in flight be able to feel a quake if quakes are ground-based?
Maxx Fordham!
But what if the plane is grounded .
Then that would be a better question to more specifically ask, wouldn't it?
Maxx Fordham!
I hope captain Joe makes a video on this ...
Yeah, well at least for being on the ground, yeah. I would imagine that in a bigger plane on the ground you might not feel some of the smaller quakes. But I'm pretty sure you would in a big quake!
This definitely is the most helpful video I have watched in the last few months
Please, Mr Joe, keep the IFR serie for us!
Best regards from Brazil.
Best explanation I’ve ever seen
the best explaination i have ever seen thank you
I loved this whole series! I have a few ideas for the next videos.
1. What is zulu time( how to calulate it, why we use it)
2.What is an altimeter settling(how it is calculated, why we need it, why does it change so much,and a side question, what is density altitude.)
These are just suggestions and I will like whatever video you make next.
Many Thanks again capt Joe for this upload. You allways give valuable informations and bring a recap on other thing in meantime.Take care.
Hi Joe I've gone through this series a number of times now, pretty complicated stuff but I'm getting to understand more and more
Love your videos
Amazing Cpt. Joe again, thank you very much
Thank you for your instructions i do flightsimming and really needed that
Hi Joe, thanks for the great explanation of holdings. It finally clicked!
Captain Joe, greetings from Brazil, guy, I'm not a pilot but I've learned a lot of things about aviation with you, thank you so much, I've enjoyed your channel and I hope meet you one day, God bless you and... A good pilot is always learning 👍👍
Just some addition I could think of after seeing the three series. Important to note that tracking into the hold is based on HEADING and after that its TRACK to maintain. Also 5 deg buffer is given for calculating the entry to the hold for the sector.
Beautifully explained, Captain Joe - very comprehensive, and complete with diagrams :)
Great Video, i would like to see more videos like this, because its really detailed knowledge, and helps me with my studies.
Thank you Captain Joe
Thanks Captain for the great video. I have a checkride tmrw and you just simplified this for me. You really presented this that a slow person like me could understand it, God bless!
Incredibly informative
Capt Joe, that was a brilliant series. We are doing FNPT sessions at the moment and it really helped.
Another informative video, thank you Captain Joe!
These three series videos gave us to the most practical lessons. You will make me the perfect pilot :) Thank you for all information ...And let us make the lesson about aircraft indicators; HSI, RMI, ADF and so on !
Hello Joe, you make study simple and in a very understanding way. Keep posting videos like this one for instruments. It is really helpful. Thank you!
Great video Joe! Thank you for sharing, I will be doing my IR early next year so it's great to begin prepared!
As mentour pilot would put it, absolutely fantastic! Very effective instruction of a tricky concept for beginners like myself. Thanks so much captain joe!
Fantastic explanations by you @ Capt. Joe
As a student pilot, only ppl training at the minute, i find this so helpful as i want to do a CBIR after ppl.
thanks, this wil help me for my navigation excercices !!!
I use the formula: WCA(max) = W/V * 60 / TAS. Then depending on the angle that the wind blows from you multiply the answer with a factor. This, however, is not the same as the formula you present. Say the wind is 20 kt and blows from a 60 degree angle. I would get a WCA of 20 * 60 / 100 = 12 and multiply by 0.7 (the sine of 60) to get 8.4 degrees. Your method would yield 20 * 60 / 100 = 12 degrees.
Which one is more accurate?
Thanks, that's what I'm thinking about!
This formula only gives correct results for angles of 30 degrees. There are serious deviations at angles of 30 degrees and above.
Sin 60 is 0.7? Jeeez....
Hi Joe, we want more. You are doing a great job. Thank you very much
8:28 I know we all like flying, but a "flight stimulator" is taking it a bit too far... ;)
I think it's what the mic did
He is talking about a simulator app on your phone or laptop.
+Danish Nauman it was A JOKE
Also.. G-CJOE is a Canadian aircraft registration.
I helped 🙌
Could you do the good and bad things about being a co pilot and a pilot? I love all your videos and want to be a pilot like you!!!
Hi jo i come from a family of pilots but may just say apart from my father and brothers you are my role model. Thanks for your advice i will inspire to become a good pilot like you abd better than you
I never did this when flying a Rollason Condor - used visual aids ie coloured rooftops on warehouses, industrial chimneys and rail track and motorway.
Hey Captain Joe,
Flight student here. Your videos are extremely helpful in understanding many of these complex topics.
I'm not sure if this has already been answered, but when you are making your time corrections, do you base those corrections on the radial that you are originally flying or the heading that you fly based on your wind corrected angle? Thanks!
A very interesting series! Thanks Captain Joe :-)
dammm these videos... so good! cant thank enough cap. Joe.
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Great lesson very informative, Nice Job Capt
Thank you for your Tipps!
Thanks Captain. It was indeed a good and helpful series😎
🔴🔴Awesome as usual🔴🔴
But another aviation related question about the aircraft that there a round structure which is fitted at the tail of a aircraft what is it.
Anyway you are awesome.
It's a pad to avoid damage to the plane if you happen to do a tail strike.
I was happy with VFR... At least I thought so...
I'm going for a CB-IR now, just to keep on learning ;-)
Thank you! More videos like this please! :)
Great video as usual, what a mouthful Joe :) how often would this happen at a busy airport?
Thank you Captain, very helpful.
Captain Joe...
Do they actually ask WCA when you entering a holding on a simulator screening?
Thanks
06:10 i think the CDI/HSI shows FROM --> TO when you are abeam the station starting the outbound leg, not the way around
Can anyone explain Why the entry leg for teardrop and the intercept leg for parallel do not need wind correction?
Joe, @7:45 text says "225° turn" but you say "250° turn" in audio
Great way to learn more about holding
It’s ‘sub-tract’ not ‘substract’ - just a polite note on pronunciation! Thanks for sharing these!
APS - Pictures Even the transcript shows subtract, only even I was surprised how he said it. Wanted to comment exactly the same, but didn’t want to be a ‘Grammar-Nazi’. But thanks for pointing it out, hope Mr. Joe notices it :)
excellent Captain Joe-thanks!
Captain Joe, thanks for this very good video. Can I ask the following question concerning the formule for estimating the WCA. In your example the wind is 330°/20 kts and the inbound course is 360°. The WCA is (360-330)x20/100 = 6°. Now suppose the wind is 210°/20kts then we also have 30° between our track and the wind direction but in this case the WCA is smaller than the 6° in the video case. So what formula can we use in this case for estimating the WCA please? Kind regards, Johan.
Its highly requested, can u please make a video that what to do after CPL and can we get an airline job after it? So that later on we can continue our ATPL on our own expenses which we got from airline.
Hey Joe, I’ve recently visited your website and I suggest doing some minor changes to appear more presentable, since there are grammatical errors that need to be fixed. Have a nice day!
Captain Joe you SHOULD TEACH.Nobody goes straight to the the point and with the final practical solution like you do. !
As a flight student working on instrument, this helped way too much. Especially wind corrections
Hello Joe,
Thanks a lot for your videos!
Can we use this wind angle formula during a flight navigation ? or is it better to use cos Formula to calculate drift correction ?
Thanks Captain
Thanks for this great video. Helped a lot.
Question about direct entries: on many tutorials a direct entry has the pilot turn into the outbound end rather than cross through the pattern. What should be done? If crossing directly though the pattern, how do you know when you've intercepted the outbound leg?
very good video, as always, Joe! I'd surely want to see more videos about flight schools, because I think I'll need them in the future, 'cause I really want to become a pilot, mostly thanks to you!!! I'm 16, by the way😁
Great, real practical tips, more of this flight training please
@Captain Joe Correctly. Thanks.
i assume you have to know and apply this basically blindfolded but isnt a modern airplane actually processing this stuff with its board computers? do you actually have to do this completely manually with your brain and then enter the heading and stopping the times?
Daniel Duersch correct this is just for flying in smaller planes without big computers, to quote it in an easy sentence😉
many thanks for the reply :)
Great videos man. İ am a student pilot, and your videos help a lot. Please make more educative videos.
I have wanted to get a pilot's license, but after this I have to reconsider 🤯 Nevertheless, great presentation, thank you for sharing!
You're not going to need any of this until you decide to pursue and Instrument Rating.
Captain Joe is the best captain
Joe could you do a video on LR, ER and standard planes and what planes are used for different routes?
Dear Captain your videos are very interesting but i don't find a video in particular.......How can fly i DME ARC correctly in presence of the wind that find at the altitude of the arc in that moment?Thanks!!Kind ragards!!Lorenzo
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thanks for the great video!
one question: at 07:48: 250 or 225 degrees?
225° because it is 180° turn plus the 45° angle to reach the radial.250° turn will be a 70° angle interception.
Very nice Joe with love from Pakistan. Kindly make videos on basic IF flying approach charts , high/low charts (SID,STARS) and also on VFR Navigation techniques. Many thanx
Doing this calculation on the ground is fine, but I would have talked about the proceudure for actually doing it in the aircraft. (timing your inbound leg and subtracting or adding to your outbound leg to make it one minute. ) I love the math but its not practical in the aircraft, expecially if you dont have autopilot.
Very helpful, thank you!
Good info Captain. I wish one day you make a video with mentour
I noticed a mistake. A right variant is 1 min < FL140, 1,5 min > FL140.
Dear Captain Joe , please show that what are knots and how they are usefull ?
Captain Joe👮
I am very gladly with thiss videos😃 They are very mathematical, buth I love that.
Mine answer is...
Keeps going with that😃🌞
I wish you all the best✈🙋
If I was training in the USA, I'd want Captain Joe to be my CFI!
Thanks for another great video, maybe an idea to do something about flying SID's and STAR's, non precision approaches and ILS categories?
Joe, plz make a video on subjects necessary for being a pilot.