There is no shortage of ways to sharpen serrations, I have tried many. Here is my favorite.
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- čas přidán 16. 11. 2023
- Just like stropping has tuns of way to do go about doing it sharpening serrations has no shortage of ways to do it. I have tried many methods and tools but this method I have developed has given me the very best results. I have listed many of the things needed below but also be sure to visit my "For Sharpeners" section on my website I have 95% off all the things I use in my shop in one place easy for you to find and I add to it regularly so you don't have to search through videos to look for most things. Here is the link
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Here is the belt splitter I use it's from Hardcore Products the cost $160 I made my own jig insert to help split the belts down to really small size. I can make them around 3mm having belts of any custom size has been really great for many projects in my shop. hardcoregrinders.com/product/...
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If you can't buy either you can also cut them with scissors. They don't come out as nice and perfect but I did this for a long time until I found the belt splitter above and saved ups to get it. Be sure to take note of the blade styles as they are different on different splitters.
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Just a warning to those folks that aren't familiar with the Dremel wire wheels. Always wear eye protection when using them. They WILL start throwing the wires off after some use, especially at higher speeds. They end up in your forehead, your hands, your hair, your clothes, and potentially in your eyes. Tho' he is using slow speeds here, still be careful.
Surprising where they end up!
@@philgee7249 Fragments of the burr invisible to the naked eye can end up in that eye too btw.
Just wear whole face protection. Taking them out of skin is no fun.
Great video Paul. You've taken serration sharpening to another level. Fantastic detail you captured for your audience. Thanks
Many thanks! I really wanted to show it the best I could because when sharpening serrated knives it's important to really know what to do so you get great results. There are plenty of other methods, but some are really difficult to get consistent great results. I have tried Jade Carver radial wheels and continue to try them but have not found a good system to grind with them on. IMO they need a good guided sharpener guide so you can constantly hit the scallop just right, but doing that has been a big challenge. I have a buddy across the River Matt who runs Potomac Sharpening who has been working on making better arbor adapters for the Jade Carver wheels thats a move in the right direction. The arbor adapters I have tired had to much play but what would be best would be a wheel IMO CBN that needed no arbor adapter and a arm like a Twice as sharp machine would be awesome but you also need to see where its going to hit exactly for this to work well. But what I showed here has worked very well for me and I have had very happy customers so to make a long comment even longer. Yes I still want to create the ultimate serration sharpening machine but I accept that this may be the holly grail search for sharpeners.
I bought a belt splitter because of your videos. What a games changer for serrated blades!
Glad you like them!
As always great and informative presentation. Back, years ago, when I sharpened commercially, my wife bought me a Mini Rx Hone honing machine. This little machine held a selection of ceramic stones of varying shapes and worked then in a reciprocating motion... very fast. That little puppy was perfect for serrated blades. I looked them up to see if they still existed and they do but they are terribly expensive. Back in the 1980's they were about $150.00. Stones were about $10.00 each. I do see that there are a couple of used ones on eBay for under $200.00. They are a great option for serrated blades if one can still get the stones.
At school we were taught that that shiny overturned burr was called the white line, easier to see on wood chisels and planer blades and what to look for on scraper blades. For serrated knives I have a tapered diamond stone that works quite well, once you have the inward burr drag it very lightly through the serrations each one in turn.(its a pity nothing like that is ever taught in high school classes any more, the basics of looking after tools)
Yes it's sad many schools don't have shop or home economics or metal shop or auto shop. All the fun things that I still use today. Still waiting to use my algebra in regular life LOL
@@ALXSHARPENIt is very sad. Not that long ago I met 4 young over 20 (under 30) youngsters just staring at a car parked with a flat tire. They had no idea how to fix it and were trying to figure out if they had enough to call a tow truck for help. Without touching anything I talked them through the whole process of how to get the jack, how to loosen the lug nuts, and how to swap the flat for the spare, etc. I learned 2 of them were college grads and 1 of them was still going. It kind of freaked me out. In America these kids had grown up without ever once having a parent or a shop teacher or someone teach them how to change a flat tire. We had some good talks as they took turns at the different steps. They were actually initially of the mind that the flat tire and wheel should go in a narby trash dumpster and they would buy a new one. Corrected that. Told them it was stupid (politely) and explained. Told them of an open shop nearby that plugs tires and explained the process. Also pointed out a new wheel for their 12 year old car would cost more than a new tire. They were pretty grateful afterwards and we parted with me utterly amazed at the less than 3rd world education the kids here today are getting.
I say bring back the shop classes and the home economics classes. I have met many 40ish and younger women who have zero idea how to run a sewing machine. And no, they can't even make a cherry pie. Unheard of to my generation, I am a senior citizen. I took the male classes as a kid, but even I know how to run a sewing machine, 'cause Momma did her job as a parent and taught me how to run hers. I say don't worry about gender, if the girl wants to take wood shop classes or learn how to weld and fix a 2 cycle engine or a boy wants to learn how to cook and sew, let them encourage it. Teach them something, not nothing useful, which is where we are now. Totally scary to think how utterly useless and helpless the next generation will be when none of them know how to do anything themselves.
A fine chainsaw file works well too.
Great information and superb close-up videography and lighting. This is really helpful.
Glad it was helpful with the close up I really wanted you all to see the fine details for doing the serrated knives because if you do this way you will be real happy with the results. I also added in a link to a leather belt splitter since the place I use to use his site is down but the leather belt splitter is far more affordable and will work just as well to make small belts
What a great video. I wish you did mail order, I would send you all my serrated knives. You have truly found the secret to sharpening serrated knives.
I just recently stopped but many guys in the Guild are looking for sharpening work and many will do mail order I have a link on my site maybe one is near you.
Really great video! I bought the belt splitter on your recommendation and am really glad I did. I'm going to use this technique now on serrated knives.
Awesome! Hope this was helpful. I change my belts every month but I use the old ones for splitting into custom belts I have used them for lots of things in the shop garden tools, serrated knives , handles, reducing bolsters no shortage of ways to make good use of the tiny belts
Great process, Paul!
Another great video! Thanks for sharing
Thanks Paul. I have been struggling with serrated knives and I have a lot being a spyderco guy. I also struggle with polishing the knifes. That dental abrasive looks awesome.
that's some crazy good sharpening right there, mate
Very nice lesson. I am going to pay closer attention to my sharpening.
There are all sorts of great ideas in this video. I have watched, liked, and subscribed. I'm curious about your other videos. Thank you!
You did an amazing job! Thank you for explaining the whole process.
Thanks for watching!
Excellent video! Great information.
Thank you.
Thanks
Thank you
You're welcome
I put a disc of mdf on the lathe, shape the edge to the scallops, diamond paste or whatever you have, run down the scallops, polish the back, do it again ! the old kitchen devil cross shaped sharpener will drag the burr off. I will try the wirewheel on the dremel thing sometime. The trouble is that most serrated kitchen knives are made of cheese and you have to keep doing it ! Most serrated knives do not have a bevel both sides .
Very helpful! Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Every time I watch your video I buy something I wasn’t planning too 😂
I have the same problem when I watch other peoples videos hopefully you have liked everything I try to make sure everything I recommend is worth your time and money.
@@ALXSHARPEN😂 can’t try everything but you do give sound advice
Thanks and I always tell the new sharpeners don't feel you have to get everything today. Build up your shop over time a lot of what is is my shop was built over the last 5 years. Making the right gear decisions is half the battle but if you pick well you can buy what's going to make you more money and save you time and get you more jobs and more gear.@@dmitryk754
This looks like it might work with pinking sheers as well. Have you tried it? I have wire wheels coming for my dremel as we speak!
Hi, Paul. Thanks so much for the great video. May I ask what grit Trizact belt you used?
For serration usually old A30 or A15 mostly A30
@@ALXSHARPEN thanks so much!
another interesting vid........... i like it
Glad you enjoyed it
WoW. I have been struggling with my bread knife. I used the DMT Diafold files and I just keep pushing the burr back and front. Can’t get rid of it. So far, I did an awful job and I wish and hadn’t touched it 😅. Now I need to find ways to fix it. Unfortunately I don’t have all these heavy tools but I have a Dremel. I will give it a shot (wearing protective glasses!)
Yea its really a matter of having a big machine with some sort of deburring wheel. They work a little different so its trial and error.
Your diafold will only sharpen the knife and get rid of nicks, the real tricky thing about serrated knives is really deburring, but they will stay sharper longer.
yes deburring is very important
May I ask what brand are the longest lasting 1x30 belts you know of? Great video as usual!
Cubitron and Trizact check out Curry custom cutlery link in the links in my profile on my CZcams channel Cliff sells the best belts at good prices
How did you make your machine go in both directions?
replaced the motor with a sewing machine motor
Since I’m not going into the gullet of the serration,why can’t I use the whole belt on the back edge?
you can but a smaller belt works better at getting the right angle and is easier to manage - IMO
Is there a way to have the belt slicer slice a 1/4 inch belt?
The one I use is fully adjustable it only comes with plastic parts to hold the belt down in a few sizes but you can make those with wood cardboard or just do it without it just makes it easier here is a video I did on itczcams.com/video/6wMpfPkQ3sQ/video.htmlsi=OjNQteF_0n-idyz1
For this always edge tailing or away from the blade
Do you run the belt into the edge, or running away from the edge with these serrations?
"(sorry if i missed that somewhere in the video!)
Great information, thanks for sharing!
He didn't say it in the way you asked. He said he had the belt going up, which is equal to going away from the edge. Hence, this would result in his comments of rolling the edge to the other side.
always away for serrations or what is called edge trailing- Never edge leading on these you will cut your belt
I get my blades scary sharp but they do not last long in betweens.
I may have to spend a little time at your channel :))
Do you do axes and saw blade sharpening too ?
Yes axes no saw blades
What grit belt are you using?
This was an A30 if they are not to bad I will use an A16
Can the backside be done on a tormek style wheel?
It can and I did a older video on doing serrated knives on the Tormek but it's not my fav but ir its all you have it works and the video is in my Tormek collection of videos
@@ALXSHARPEN thanks! I’ll check out your other videos for sure 👍
I use a rod from electric stick welder and work for me
i never liked factory serrations. I prefer the angle grind comes from both sides so that the cut isn't biased to one side
Especially when cutting heavy dark breads where the single sided serration twists the knife in your hand making your slice progressively thicker if you don't fight it. Though when your knives are this sharp, a simple chefs knife can be a better option than anything serrated.
Anyone else ever do it with a chainsaw file?
I have used dremel diamond bits but only on really warn serrations and chainsaw bits for dremels work too for cutting the serrations but you still need to sharpen the serrations after
just need one simple and effective method i can do in the feild
as that is inevitably where the bread knife goes dull
What about a more finely serrated knife
No great solution for them. Most of us who sharpen don’t do ones like Henkels Eversharp. I use to turn them into regular knives but even that’s not really worth doing because a new set isn’t very much money
@ALXSHARPEN Thanks for your info
I was with you until you went to the wheels. You didn't tell who wheels and why speed and angle.ANd then dental wheels? Which ones? Where to buy?
You should go watch my channel trailer I have all the links listed in multiple places and in the description of the video all the time
11:15 - 14,000 grit or did you mean 1,400?
Not sure what part you mean the highest grit belt I tend to use is 1200 - for serrations I like 1,200 or 800 grit Trizact belts but keep in mind they are called A15 (1200) and A30 (800) that's just an equivalent comparison to abrasives that use grit as a measurement. Now if we are talking Diamond Sprays or 3m Radial polishing discs. They go by microns just another form of abrasive measurement scale. So 1 micron to keep it in a form most americans are use to I will often say the grit equivalent. So 14,000 grit is around 1 micron. 3 micron is around 8000-9000 grit. So the diamond sprays I put on my stropps are 14,000 grit so that may be the 14,000 you heard me say. There are micron grit converters on the internet and charts that will often help people understand it. There are actually several abrasive measurement scales even beyond microns and grit and the A15, A30 system we see on Trizact belts so countries have their own so you will see some from Russia that are different. I use to have a cool chart off all of the different ones I will see if i can find it. There is a lot and some use the same but depending on the country don't mean the same just adding to the confusion.
@@ALXSHARPEN 11:15 you said 14 thousand grit.
@@Stan_in_Shelton_WA yes that is the Grit of the radial disc polisher it's 1 micron which is around 14,000 to 22,000 I made a video of it this morning and will put it out soon explaining the wide use of abrasive systems and how they are all different from country to country but what we really only need to know as sharpeners
@@ALXSHARPEN thanks for explaining. 14K grit seemed way too fine, hard to believe. The abrasive measuring scales are like air filtration scales and spark plugs, one would have been sufficient.
Dangerous to use rotating machinery with loose straps hanging from your head...
If you can see the edge, your tool is dull..... They never removed the original burr from when the serrations were cut/ground in.
ill never use a big polisher for a knife hell no that shit catches on once in ur life time and u are SCREWED little hand polisher is safest
You´re sharpe the wrong side! I sharpe my knife in sekonds.
Nope
@@ALXSHARPEN Yes! What is dull? The tips!
@@dancelord0708 that’s not correct the part that cuts on a serrated knife is the inner scallop the tips help grab and by going from the flat side it pulls up the point but your welcome to do them anyway you want or go start your own Chanel and teach your way - Did you even try my way? or just come on to say I’m wrong without even seeing if it works.
@@ALXSHARPEN I see a lot people like you, how work youre way, but if you want help " normal" peoples, like houswifes, be real!
@@dancelord0708I never said I was teaching house wives to sharpen dull serrated knives my channel has from day one been for people wanting to start a sharpening business I do try to help people who want to just learn but that’s my audience in fact it’s like 90% men from 50 to 80 not many women but we have a few.
There is no reason to have a serrated blade, sharp when new , and a pain after!
Call ne old fashioned, but I was disappointed to see that you use a number of electrically driven tools to do your knife sharpening. I have never used belts or wheels in my life as an Engineer to sharpen tools, which includes knives. My knives are sharp enough to shave my beard too. What about doing a video of hand sharpening and not relying on expensive electrical gadgets to do the work.
Well I do very little hand sharpening as it's too slow for my business. I also don't teach it much because I have found most people can't do it well and don't have the patience for it.
Gave a thumbs down because the common person doesn't have access to this belt sharpener.
Well they can get it on Amazon that's pretty common and just FYI my channel is for people who want to have a sharpening business or learn to sharpen their own things and to do that you will need some sort of sharpener.
You can use just any sand paper and either use some sort of dowel or pencil and do the same thing
@@Goochgravysuppliers not really in my experience , but if that works for you enjoy or make a video on your sharpening channel and share what works for you but like I said my channel isn't for the common person it's for people who want to sharpen as a business or for themselves and a sandpaper and a dowel isn't really a good option for me. But when you do you fist video showing how well your method works let me know so I can go watch it.
@ALXSHARPEN tried to respond to Ron, lol. I haven't sharpened any bread knives, so I was just going off of a guy I watch alot. Curry Custom Cutlery. I see no reason why it wouldn't work, but I don't see it being able to get anywhere near what you got that one to unless it's a cheap steel with low abrasive resistant.
@ALXSHARPEN The last thing I did on a 1x30 was a machete that's either 1070 or 1075