COINS debunk Islam in the 7th century! (#5)
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- It is well known that the best way to find out about a place and a period is to use artifacts from that period, and from that place, especially if they don't disintegrate nor deteriorate.
They are even more important if they contain items written on them which give us names, dates and religious reference points.
Coins do all of that!
This includes the coins of the Middle East in the 7th century.
When rulers came to power in that part of the world, they quickly minted new coins to introduce themselves to the populace, knowing that the coins would soon be in everyone's hands.
They would put their image on the coin, with their name, and always a religious icon to tell the world what religion they belonged to. So, Christian coins had crosses, and Zoroastrian coins had fire-altars.
Every coin minted in the Middle East, in the very areas where Islam supposedly began and expanded, and in the very century Islam was created, are either Christian or Zoroastrian. Not one of them up to 692 AD, 60 years after Muhammad's supposed death, is Muslim!
Interestingly, however, what those coins tell us about Islam goes completely against what Muslims have been telling us for centuries, because what they know is solely from the 9th and 10th century Traditions, which are just too late and too far north.
Nowhere on any of these 7th century coins is there any references to any man called Muhammad, nor a city called Mecca, nor people called Muslims, nor a religion called Islam, nor even a book called the Qur'an. Yet, these 5 areas are at the very center of Islam, and would be the first items any ruler would have imprinted on these coins. Yet they aren't found anywhere until after 692!
The fact that there is nothing Islamic on any of these coins suggest pretty strongly that Islam probably did not exist that early, nor in that place!
Remember, coins don't lie...
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Puts a whole new slant on "follow the money"
@super spade John the Baptist - “The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, ‘Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!’” John 1:29,
@super spade You said we don't even know what the sacrifice is but I show you that John the Baptist pointed to the sacrifice - Jesus, Who is the Lamb of God. Do you believe John the Baptist?
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Marcus Aurelius - Philosopher Emperor...
"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.
Then your Bible debunks you, and you Christians don't really follow the Prophet Jesus (عليه وعلى آله الصّلاة والسّلام), because he told people to worship God, not himself, similar to the Prophet Muḥammad (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) after him, and Elijah, Moses, Abraham and other Prophets (عليهم الصّلاة والسّلام) before him!
Roger Jamespaul - but if the Gods be unjust, then wouldn't it be best to live an unjust life, in order to be in their good books when we die?
@@gamer2popspops970 May one day you see that the true light of GOD which is His Son, Jesus Christ. God loves you, may GOD bless you, everyday. Praying for you.
@@orionsshoe2424 yes , but it's a 50/50 chance it could be true ( if you rule out option 3 which has no consequences)
@@orionsshoe2424 What I'm saying is, that to follow Marcus Aurelius' advice to live a good life hasn't been very well thought out by him for the second case that he lists( ie that if the gods be unjust).
The old saying "Money Talks and B$ walks" is proving true here!
Sir I can't get the meaning ,pls explain
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money talks and bs walks
@@tzadik36 Thank you sir 🙏
Old saying is "Money talks merit walks"
Yeah guess how much money this fool was aiming to make by walking all the B$ steps to put it up here
That is fascinating. I think even mohammed as a person is a myth.
....The Iranians created him with hadiths 300 years after his supposed death... the Quran doesn't tell us anything about Mohammed... NOTHING AT ALL... everything Muslims believe comes from hadiths... written 100s of years after Mohammed's death... .
@@Albanianwarrior23 The hadiths were in many cases written down from accounts of people who had personally witnessed Mohammed, and most of the compilers demanded at least two eye witnesses to regard a hadith as authentic. The Quaran wouldn't tell us about Mohammed, anyway, he was just the intermediary responsible for transmitting it.
@@carlgrove8793 Confusing. So, the hadiths demanded at least two eye-witnesses of Mohammed 300 years after Mohammed died when they wrote what had, up to that point been, oral accounts? These witnesses lived that long back then?
@@mandandi I think the hadith were initially compiled soon after Muhammed's death, but in later centuries, more complex procedures had to be devised. There are several books of the traditions available online, check some out for yourself.
This seems to be common among religious founders. A religion evolves out of older religions and eventually the practitioners invent a founder and place him in their history. It happened with Osiris, Dionysus, Baal, Serapis, Romulus, Inanna, etc.
Religious founders who actually existed like Joseph Smith and L. Ron Hubbard seems to be the exception, not the rule.
Truth is so much more interesting than lies.
It's actually the opposite.
@@billymania11 Why?
@@OCD-GUY Don't ask. Anyone who doesn't understand, has already taken the blue pill.
Its like when you get a piece of jigsaw 🧩 from under your bed after a long time and it finally fixes the lost gap in the collection and all bulbs go "bright"
@Muhammad Hakim 🏴 is that what chinese historians say?
Sir, (the speaker on this channel), your knowledge of the subject is amazing and very, very credible..☺
Thank you so much for making this easy to understand. Maps and pronunciations help tremendously. The coins are fabulous.
Absolutely fascinating! Great research and explanation.
They say the truth hurts - in this case for Johnny Muslim, but I'm enjoying this.
Do you enjoy the falsehood about the virgin birth that was just mistranslated way back when and changed a young woman into a virgin somehow giving birth?
@@JacksonHoulihan LOL i see what you did there. Young woman in old Hebrew meant virgin girl. If Mary wasn't a virgin they would not have used young woman to describe her. Try again.
Thing is, it's the same things as Christians.
@nmt3f There are ancient precedents, predating Christianity, of virgins acting as conduits for gods. This imagery would have been speaking a language the people of the time understood. Check out Joseph Campbell’s “Myths to Live By”.
@nmt3f I didn’t say anything about alchemy. I don’t see what that has to do with my comment. However, if you remove everything from alchemy that does not work then what you have left is science. Alchemy was a practice that was used at one time because it was the best system for explaining reality that we had developed. It has since been replaced by an improved system. But to the people of the time alchemical research was cutting edge. We all stand on the shoulders of giants. If you want a deeper understanding of the role myths such as the virgin birth have played in human history then read the book I recommended. If you aren’t interested; if you already feel you know everything you need to, then don’t read it, and good luck to you.
Just about to start the video. I’ve read a numismatic paper a couple of years ago about the oldest reference to Muhamad. The interesting bit was that Muhamad was written on one side and on the other side was a depiction of Jesus.
Their interpretation was that Muhamad was a title for Jesus (similar to the Latin Benedictus).
The paper was presented in conjunction with Christoph Luxenberg‘s work on the syro-Aramaic origin of Islam who came to the same conclusion from linguistics.
Very interesting stuff.
I’ve found it again. It was an article by Volker Popp, an expert in the field.
The article was in German though, it was called “Die frühe Islamgeschichte nach inschriftlichen und numismatischen Zeugnissen“. Published in 2006. Good stuff.
Though I find the work of Christoph Luxenberg even more intriguing.
Either way, their consensus seems to be that Islam evolved out of Syriac Christianity which rejected the trinity. Muhamad was originally the most popular title of Jesus and was only later turned into a founding figure of Islam.
Another really interesting point was the Muslim calendar. The Hijra is sort of the foundational myth, but we now know from inscriptions that the calendar was in use before Islam took over. It coincides with the independence of the Arabs from both Byzantines and Persians and the formation of the first Arab state.
The hypothesis was that later, the Hijra story was moulded on top of a system that was already in use, so as to also give the new Arab state a mythological / religious underpinning, not just one based on the power of a ruler / ruling class.
What reference - his name? or a caracterisation: "the praised one, the holy one"?
Yeah.
history debunks Islam very easily 👍
@IIOOexactly .
They take similarities to be their proofs .
Too bad
@@AffableCounselorNumber1
Muslim term was never in Bible
Only jews and Gentiles
Muslim is later term in
10th century with
All of false doctrines
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Matthew 5:17-20 Jesus says Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Why you Christian people are not following the Bible? Why you are not doing the commandments of God ?
Bible says eating pork is prohibited, forbidden!
Leviticus 11:7-8, Deuteronomy 14:8 the flesh of pork is unclean, don't eat flesh of swine, it's unclean for you.
We muslims we don't eat pork but you christians eating pork.
Bible says Alcohol is forbidden!
Ephesians 5:18, Proverbs 20:1 And be not drunk with wine.
We muslims we don't drink alcohol but you christians drinking.
Christians must be circumcised!
Genesis 17:9-12 God said unto Abraham, every man child among you must be circumcised.
Genesis 17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.
Leviticus 12:1-3 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean.
And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.
Luke 2:21 even Jesus was circumcised.
We muslims are circumcised but you christians are not.
Bible says that the woman must cover her head, like the muslim woman wearing hijab!
1 Corinthians 11:5-6 the woman must cover her head, but if she does not cover her head, she must shaved her head.
Now tell me who is more christian and who is following Jesus ?
Terrorist God !
1 Samuel 6:19 God killed 50.070 people.
other modern Bibles says, God killed only 70 people.
is this merciful God? is this loving God?
God of the Bible is hate human beings !
Genesis 6:6-7 the LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.
And the LORD said, I will destroy man and human beings from the face of the earth that I have created and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground for I regret that I have made them.
does any terrorist does such a thing? which terrorist killed animal, bird and insect ?
is this merciful God ? is this loving God ?
Numbers 31:17-18 Moses said to them kill every male among the little one, and kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves all the young girls who has never slept with a man.
can you imagine that, 3000 years ago how they find that girls had sex with somebody or not ? only way to find is rape those girls then you can find this thing.
is this book of God ? does God says such a things in his book ?
Luke 19:27 Jesus said, those enemies of mine who did not want me to reign over them bring them here and kill them in front of me.
is this merciful Jesus ? is this savior Jesus?
instead of saving people's life, He want to kill them!
I really enjoyed and found this video very informative and helpful. Thank you both.
Just discovered your channel absolutely fantastic thank you keep it up
Thank you very much Dr.Jay Smith.
Really interesting...thanks for sharing this.
Wonderful content, history is so very interesting especially when the narrative changes with time. I have been reading some old history books from 100 years ago and it is fascinating to see how history changes depending on who wrote it.
The victor writes the history.
@@davesmith1199 more like the current oligarchy writes history
The removal of image from Maliks coin is a response to Iconoclasm in Byzantine Empire. The Justinian put an image of Jesus in the Coin resulting the Iconoclasm issue. The eastern portion of his empire including Anatolia stood against this. Malik responded by aligning with those Christians and removed any images in the Coin he issued.
Wasn't iconoclasism a reaction to Islam?
Iconoclasm was in fear of Muslims invading the empire at the time. Muslims discarded imperial things as soon as they could. They considered all authority something to fall under islam.
@@fantasia55 No there was no muslim kingdom then. There was only Ummayads who were a kind of Monophysites who has images all over their coin. Only after the Iconoclasm in 692 in Byzantine, the images were stopped by Ummayads.
@@catholicorthodoxfaith2689
Post hoc ergo propter hoc
This makes sense of so many things. Thank you very much.
There are three tests Christianity has passed:
Logically consistent - cannot be self-contradictory.
Empirically adequate - must match what we see in reality.
Existentially relevant - must speak directly to how we actually live our lives. ...the evangelical
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Amen 🙏
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Trinity concept and not keeping law is contradictory
@@sleeexs trinity and not keeping the law are biblical...there are plenty of references for the personhood of god in the old testament...son..spirit of god all are mentioned in the old trstament multiple times...moreoever jesus preacher and taught to baptize in the name of triune god...mathew 28:16-19
Great, great, series. Thanks for the research
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God bless you guys 👏👏👏
Coins are a nail in the coffin, so to speak. You guys are doing a great work. Hopefully Muslims will start to wake up.
What Islam hates the most is "Evidence"
Which evidence.
@@jayak3768 Watch this guys channel.
he shows how wrong everything about Mohammed, The Quran, Islam is..
Proves with dates, texts, comparisons, archaeological evidence.
Very knowledgeable guy.
I could list all what he said int he videos, but its better if you watch and learn
@@PeterMasalski93 that channel is about robots... haha. did you miss the link?
Your remark on "evidence" is the evidence itself... That you need to learn a lot of things along with learning how to think...
please provide some evidence about the fact that Jessus claimed to be god and told people to worship him directly in bible.
or where is trinity in the bible??
Thank you so much brother
Excellent work!
Thank you. I really like you série!
You can run but you cannot hide. History is catching up and wants its voice heard. What an exciting time to be able to watch and learn as the SIN finally collapses under the weight of its own fiction.
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Don’t kid yourself this has nothing to do with history, it’s fucking evangelist propaganda !
@@ltouaf you wish
@@ltouaf How is it evangelist?
Video disproves parts of the Quran - let me convert to Christianity. How did you get that out of the video?
And how it not about history? Literally looking at historic coins.
Interesting Dr’. sirs
2 horns is the god of Islam, ask CP.
Christian prince in case you dont know CP means
@@mmalua I thought it was Captain Picard.
@@revcrussell piece religion scare hearing his name thats why they confuse the CP stand for so none can google him easily
@Muhammad Hakim 🏴 lol, Mosque go back pre Islam, so what if they built one in the 7th century, they were built before Islam was born.
Ohhhh this new music was so much better!!! 😁😁
Thank you guys first for putting your balls on the line for truth sake!! And for helping mankind understand that legends and fairy tales were an every day belief as only far back as 100 years ago. People began to doubt early beliefs when science began to explain things around us that could be tested using methods that proved results!
This is amazing content
Thank you!
good point about coins as state announcements. In the United Kingdom at least ... new monarch = new set of coins showing the new monarch's head.
Fascinating!
Montrose, Colorado Thank You.
Anyone know the Arabic word for the heads gear?
I want to find one of the ropes.
HISTORICAL ARTIFACTS WILL ALWAYS OVERIDE TRADITIONS TO PROVE WHAT IS TRUTH SO PEOPLE CAN CHOOSE,TQ,SIR
Their are so many different Bible in the world and their are not the same!!!
King James Version has 66 books but in Catholic Version has 73 books
Trinity is not in modern Bibles!!!
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
This verse you can find only in King James Version and Catholic Version but in all modern Bibles this verse was deleted from the Bible, New International Version, Revised Standard Version and all modern Bibles does not have this verse!!!
Why they deleted this verse? Because your scholars says, Christian scholars says this verse is fabrication and fake, therefore the Christian scholars they thrown out this verse from all modern Bibles, All modern Bibles does not have this verse.
You christians chanting the thing which is fake and fabrication!!!
John 3:16 this verse says Jesus is only begotten Son of God.
this verse "begotten" you can find only in King James Version and Catholic Version but in All modern Bibles does not have this word "begotten"
New International Version, Revised Standard Version and all modern Bibles says that "only son of God" not "begotten"
Why they thrown this word? Because your scholars says, Christian scholars says this word "begotten" is fabrication and fake.
Therefore in all modern Bibles does not have this word.
is Jesus only the son of God?
Genesis 6:2-4 this verse says God had many sons
Exodus 4:22 God says, Israel is my firstborn son
Jeremiah 31:9 God says, Ephraim is my firstborn son.
Luke 3:38 Adam is the son of God.
who is really the son of God ?
Matthew 5:17-20 Jesus says Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Why you Christian people are not following the Bible? Why you are not doing the commandments of God ?
Bible says eating pork is prohibited, forbidden!
Leviticus 11:7-8, Deuteronomy 14:8 the flesh of pork is unclean, don't eat flesh of swine, it's unclean for you.
We muslims we don't eat pork but you christians eating pork.
Bible says Alcohol is forbidden!
Ephesians 5:18, Proverbs 20:1 And be not drunk with wine.
We muslims we don't drink alcohol but you christians drinking.
Christians must be circumcised!
Genesis 17:9-12 God said unto Abraham, every man child among you must be circumcised.
Genesis 17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.
Leviticus 12:1-3 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean.
And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.
Luke 2:21 even Jesus was circumcised.
We muslims are circumcised but you christians are not.
Bible says that the woman must cover her head, like the muslim woman wearing hijab!
1 Corinthians 11:5-6 the woman must cover her head, but if she does not cover her head, she must shaved her head.
Now tell me who is more christian and who is following Jesus ?
Terrorist God !
1 Samuel 6:19 God killed 50.070 people.
other modern Bibles says, God killed only 70 people.
is this merciful God? is this loving God?
God of the Bible is hate human beings !
Genesis 6:6-7 the LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.
And the LORD said, I will destroy man and human beings from the face of the earth that I have created and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground for I regret that I have made them.
does any terrorist does such a thing? which terrorist killed animal, bird and insect ?
is this merciful God ? is this loving God ?
Numbers 31:17-18 Moses said to them kill every male among the little one, and kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves all the young girls who has never slept with a man.
can you imagine that, 3000 years ago how they find that girls had sex with somebody or not ? only way to find is rape those girls then you can find this thing.
is this book of God ? does God says such a things in his book ?
Luke 19:27 Jesus said, those enemies of mine who did not want me to reign over them bring them here and kill them in front of me.
is this merciful Jesus ? is this savior Jesus?
instead of saving people's life, He want to kill them!
wine in the Bible is 100% alcohol.
Genesis 19:30-36 read this verse, you will see wine in the Bible is 100% alcohol !
Genesis 9:21-23 When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay naked inside his tent.
Proverbs 31:6-7 God says give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.
Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.
this devilish advice given by God in the Bible!!!
John 2:1-11 first miracle what Jesus is done He turned water into wine, therefore all Christian people is alcoholic and drunken !
shameful things in the Bible!
Isaiah 20:2-3 God command to the prophet Isaiah to walk naked for 3 years.
how God command such a shameful thing and how Isaiah walk in front of his mother, daughters, sisters and other people naked.
Ezekiel 4:12 God is telling to his prophet to eat barley cakes and bake it with dung that coming out of man in their sight.
Malachi 2:3 dung on your faces, shit on your faces.
in the book of God, God is talking!
Jeremiah 20:7 Bible says, God is deceiver.
Can you imagine that, does God deceive somebody ?
Revelation 13:1-2 the beast with 7 heads.
have you seen such animal ?
Leviticus 11:20-21 (KJV) among abomination the fowls with 4 legs is abomination for you.
But in (NIV) and other modern Bibles says "all flying insects" not fowl.
But you know such a fowl and such a insect does not exist in the world, it can be only Dragon 🤣😆🤣
All insects have got 6 legs not 4 !
Contradictions and errors in the Bible.
Exodus 33:20 God said to Moses you cannot see my face, for no one can see me and live.
John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time.
Genesis 32:30 Jacob saw God face to face, and his life is preserved.
Exodus 33:11 God spoke to Moses face to face
Exodus 33:23 God showed His backside to Moses.
one place God said no one can't see me but other place He says Jacob and Moses saw face to face to God.
Genesis 3:14, Isaiah 65:25 God says the serpent eat dust, and the dust will be the food of serpent.
today even a child knows that snake does not eat dust.
not a single Zoology book says that serpent eat dust.
1 Chronicles 16:30 Bible says the world does not move.
it's scientific errors in the Bible!
Hebrews 1:10-11, Psalms 102:25-26 this verse says the heavens and the earth they will perish
Ecclesiastes 1:4, Psalms 78:69 this verse says the earth remains forever.
earth will perish or remain forever ?
Job 26:11 The pillars of the heavens quake.
heavens have got pillars ?
Job 9:6, Psalms 75:3 this verse says the earth have got pillars.
it's scientific error !!!
Genesis 1:29 God says all plants they are food for you!
Today science proved that they are many poisonous plants if you eat you will die.
how God of the Bible doesn't know that ?
Test for identify a true christian believer
Gospel of Mark 16:17-18 Jesus said, the believers in my name they can cast out devils, and they can speak with new tongues, and they can pick up snakes with their hands and if they drink any deadly poison it will not hurt them at all and if they will place their hands on sick people they will get well.
can you imagine, it's possible? is that any christian believer who can do this ?
even in Hollywood films they can't produce such a man who can do this things.
Contradictions and errors in the Bible
Ezra 2:65 they were 200 singing men and singing women.
Nehemiah 7:67 they were 245 singing men and singing women.
context is the same but numbers are different.
2 Kings 24:8 Jehoiachin was 18 years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem 3 months.
2 Chronicles 36:9 Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he began to reign, and he reigned 3 months and 10 days in Jerusalem.
this two verse is the same but numbers are different.
1 Kings 7:26 he had 2000 baths.
2 Chronicles 4:5 he had 3000 baths.
in Solomon's temple how many baths he had ?
Leviticus 11:1-6 God said to Moses and Aaron the camel, hyrax, rabbit is chews the cud therefore it is unclean for you.
can you imagine that does camel, hyrax, rabbit chews the cud ?
is that a market for animals to sell cud?
I have a suggestion. Rather than "desecrate" words (which gives them a connotation of holiness) you could just "butcher" them like normal Americans
Or simply "mispronounce" them.
@Muhammad Hakim 🏴 🤣 most of your people have such a limited understanding of history, I'm not particularly concerned what you think of these men's scholarly standing
@Muhammad Hakim 🏴 🤣👌🤏
Very good video!
Thank You , what a Education 👍
God bless you brothers 🙏
@Muhammad Hakim 🏴 😄😄😄😄
In modern day monarchies, coins bear the portrait of the ruler.
In any time period, coins had the image of the head of state on it.
@@gregandy4277 I wasn’t comparing modern day to ancient, but monarchies to republics. I might have made it clearer by writing “coins still bear”, but I thought it would be obvious.
In fact, with few exceptions, only the current rulers portrait is allowed on coins, and while old coins are still legal tender, they’re withdrawn upon the death or abdication of the former ruler.
what kind of classes do you were? please provide a link
Debunk mutawathir... Thank you Al Fadhi & Jay, deep throttle... If it's not now when would it be? ☝✊🎖🥰
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@@dfwtransport2420 accept Jesus as ur God nd save urself
God of the Bible is barber!
Isaiah 7:20 God is going to shave people head and the hair of the legs with a razor hired.
God is a barber ? does it fit to God ?
God of the Bible is Dragon!
2 Samuel 22:9 smoke went up from God nostrils and devouring fire from His mouth.
can you imagine such God ?
God of the Bible is blind !!!
Genesis 3:8-9 And they heard the voice of the God walking in the garden in the cool of the day and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the God amongst the trees of the garden and God called to Adam and said to him Where are you.
does God is blind? how God can't find Adam? of that time, Adam and his wife was the only two men in earth and God can't find them and now we are billions of men in earth, how God can find us ?
God of the Bible is cursed the female child.
Leviticus 12:1-5 God said to Moses a woman who becomes pregnant and gives birth to a son she will be unclean for 7 days
Then the woman must wait 33 days to be purified from her bleeding.
If she gives birth to a daughter, for two weeks the woman will be unclean, as during her period. Then she must wait 66 days to be purified from her bleeding.
the daughters and girls they are more filthy and dirty than men?
the birth of female is a double pollution?
Pornography in the Bible
2 Samuel 13:6-14 Amnon rape his own sister.
book of God is teaching you how to rape your own sister !
Judges 16:1 Samson went to Gaza, and saw there a harlot and went in to her.
what do you do with the harlot ?
book of God is teaching you how to become prostitute:
Ezekiel 23:1-21 Aholah and Aholibah this two sisters they committed whoredoms in Egypt, read from verse 1 to 21 and see pornography in the book of God.
Genesis 19:30-36 Lot with his two daughters had sex and both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father.
Genesis 35:22 Reuben went in and had sex with his father’s concubine Bilhah, and Israel heard of it.
Can you imagine that, if your son went and slept with your concubine, how you feel ?
Genesis 38:15-18 Judah had sex with his
daughter-in-law, when Judah saw her, he thought she was a harlot, for she had covered her face and then she became pregnant by him.
Can you imagine that in the book of God such a things ?
Genesis 21:1-2 And the LORD visited Sarah as he had said, and the LORD did unto Sarah as he had spoken, and then Sarah became pregnant.
what does the LORD did to Sarah ?
Whats not on the coins is significant as well... Why was Muhammed not mentioned on early rashidun coins? Its understandable that the sufyanid Ummayads were arch rivals of the dead prophet, but the rashidun were earnest followers of muhammad.
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There was no Muhammad back then. Muhammad was an invented prophet by Abdel Malik.
@@nwachinemere7759 Thats a very large over simplification of the issue. I believe that there was an unknown preacher deep in the hejaz desert who guided the Arab nomads to become an empire.
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All the supposedly Islamic stories that happened in Mecca and Medina were redactions of events that happened in Jerusalem and Petra. Mecca did not exist until the Arab Christians who invented Islam decided to move away from the Christian's and Jews and create an Arab identity for Islam. For example, Mecca was described as a city with olive trees (Jerusalem) and that all the Jewish prophets were buried there (Jerusalem) and that was were Abraham built the kabaa (Jerusalem) This is why the first Islamic mosques kiblas were not facing Mecca, but facing Petra.
@@nwachinemere7759 that's true, but the prophet could've migrated to Medina though from the Petra region
Is there a playlist with all of these?
Based on your analysis of the inscriptions on these coins changing with each ruler coming to power, the location of the mints and the building of the dome of the rock, and Abdul Malik going to war with Justinian. I would conclude that ‘Abdul Malik’ was the founder of Islam and also given his question to John of Damascus on his opinion on their newly found religion. Dr Jay maybe you should take a critical look at Abdul Malik’s history, his father and the names of his father’s wives.
Exactly. Everything to do with Islam seems to coincide with Abd al Malik's rise to power.
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@Muhammad Hakim 🏴 and you are the historian. What a joke you are. Get out of your bubble, put your thinking cap on and start reasoning like an intellectual. The Chinese have the date on when the mosque was built and the painting of your stupid prophet. Stop deceiving yourself and face reality, reality of the fact that the world is a global village with a massive databank that can accessed easily hence enabling research to be conducted with lightening speed. You can refute these guys only when you have gone to China in the comfort of your computer and back and before then, get in your closet!
Importantly, the orange area on the map was the approximate boundary of the Sassanian empire around 610 c.e. (a.d.) - Essentially, the early Ummayad Empire subsumed the Sassanian Empire + Cyrenaica & Tripoli (today's Libya). I think this is not a coincidence. When Heraclius beat the Sassanians around 628, he really just won a small war at Ctesiphon, were he was able to force the Sassanian Emporer at the time to sign a treaty handing back the old Roman provinces in Syria, Palestine and Egypt, plus the relic of the True Cross. This is a bit like Sam Houston's victory at San Jacinto. Houston's army was small, unprofessional, and caught Santa Ana and the Mexicans napping - and were able to force Santa Ana at the point of a gun, to a treaty recognizing Texas' independence. Texas in no way had superior resources to the Mexicans - and if the national will was there, could have reignited the war and maybe had taken Texas back - at the time.
My point is that, it may have been that the Byzantines had got the Sassanians to agree to leave, but probably didn't really have the resources to re-occupy the Levant with a large force. Again, they won the battle of Nineveh near Ctesiphon with a small army which was all the Byzantines could marshall + plus some help from states in the Caucus (Armenian and Gogturks (probably Kazhars). (Please forgive the misspelling). So once the Arabs defeated the Sassanians in Mesopotamia, it was not a big job to defeat the Byzantines south and east of the Taurus mountains - and in a sense, re-occupy all the lands that the Sassanians had recently occupied. Just some thoughts.
Very rare to come across an intelligent comment these days. Well done.
Then who invaded Iran in 635 ad ?
It was Arabs under the banner of jihad
@Common Sense Realist than who?
Are coins not going to be minted near where metal is mined? Where were the metal mines at this time?
Medinah was were silver mines were
@@szymonmoldenhawer6692 Thanks - and depending on the metal or ore involved, they would need coal or whatever to smelt it. I think gold is still mined in Saudi.
Wow impressive research
Amen Hallelujah ✋️
Actually in Kingdoms, like Canada, UK the currency only has the sovereign's image on it.
Actually, it has both. I'm from the UK
Have you looked at CDN currency recently? Lots of different people from history on our money.
@@Imightberiding Only on the bank notes. Coins have always only had the monarch on the obverse.
Out of curiosity is the British monarch the leader of the established church in Canada as she is in Britain?
@@paulohagan3309 Yes, the Queen is the head of the Church of England. There is no official Church of Canada, but the C of E does exist in Canada, and Liz is the head of it. In Canada, the C of E is called the Anglican Church of Canada. But the Anglicans are small-time. Catholics outnumber them by more than a factor of 10.
Fabulous stuff ....again. People need more of this evidence, in all religions really, instead of this 'blind faith fanaticism' we see all to often.
Everyone is helpful everyone is so kind, on the road to my fathers kingdom.
Muslims run from the darkness of Islam and come into the Light of the Lord Jesus Christ.
John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
If you love Jesus the Messiah, follow him, he is the light, the way, not the destination. God is. All prophets from Adam until Mohammad pbuh are guidance for mankind from darkness. Why suddenly God disguised as man to convince man he is God and show his weakness to be killed by his creation? Absurd..
@@dmt8091 oyeah? Can you pray to your Allah without even mentioning your profit Muhammad? Why Islam always include Muhammad (dead man, not sure if he’s even in heaven) in their prayer?? Why?! Are you sure Islam is not practising syirrkk?
@@dmt8091 Wrong. Jesus said He's the Almighty.
Revelation 1:8, 18 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. ... I [am] he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Show me enyone besides Jesus who called himself Almighty, including the false prophet Muhammad.
It is indeed absurd, because we live by the human frame. Before one has realised all is the love of God. God is love. Love is that which self empties, which creates, which attends to, which raises by lowering, without regard for status games or so called humiliation in human frames of mind. Love takes on suffering for the sake of creation, and it is constantly incarnating. How could it be otherwise?
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You’re done Mo. Finished!
Wow thank you
VERY INTERESTING
There are currently a lot of new material available and I have a hard time putting all pieces together by myself.
- Coins
- Qibla directions
- Textual critique, ie based on the name of places in the Quran
- Trade route theory as Crohne et al presented it
- Missing Mecca on maps
- Was Iyas ibn Qabisah Muhammed?
- Absence of archeological finds in current day Mecca
- etc
These all points to the non historicity of the Muhammed of the traditions. But I still lack a coherent alternative timeline and explanation for all of these fragments of information that you have provided.
My main hang up is that I still don't understand how Dan Gibson's work on the qibla directions and his explanation of the role of Petra fits into this.
My understanding and ability to communicate all of this information would really benefit from a video where you show us the big picture, preferably using a timeline based story of what really happened, with all of the pieces of evidence mapped onto that timeline.
Take Jay Smith’s course to further you knowledge
@@AffableCounselorNumber1 😂😂😂😂 typical muslim
@@AffableCounselorNumber1 I'm not a Christian)
@@AffableCounselorNumber1 is that Islamic geography and science?? I know there is a special science called Islamic science
Was he Iyas ibn Qabisah or the Roman Emperor Elagabalus?
Interesting. I'd also like to point out that no English coins of the period mention by name Rome, or Jerusalem, or the Pope, or the Bible, or Christianity. QED: Christianity didn't exist then.
Very interesting.
Question, Could you explain what the word CALIPH means, before Islam of course.
What the words of leaders in Islam were used for?
Caliph means vicegerent on earth. An appointee who would fulfill the rights and responsibilities as instructed by God through revelation and the example shown by the Prophet of God.
The explanation is very simple right? They have just conquered some area and they need fast way to announce it, so they just stamp Islamic signature on existing coins
@Muhammad Hakim 🏴 Don't know about the oldest mosque in China, but they definitely are not historians. The consensus among real secular historians now is that Muslim forces back then just repurpose northerner's minting center for the caliph
Jessus loves you.
Jesus loves only his follower. 😂😂
But his followers hate you... And THEY are the ones with weapons...
@@bosatsu76 what you on aboit mate who hates who.
@@therevster9828 Actions speak louder than words... BILLIONS of humans enslaved and murdered by christians over the centuries, and you have the gall to ask that question? Way to prove my point.
@@bosatsu76 listen i ask what i want End of who do you think you are Jessus loves every one .
Thank you.
Could it be the prohibition on imagery prevented the minting of Islam specific coins and as new rulers in an unstable tribal world they continued to mint what had been always minted for economic/political continuity reasons?
You don't need coins to debunk a story about a guy that took a flight on a flying horse.
PS: Neither does it take much to debunk a story about a guy that was born of a virgin and rose from the dead!!
Right?! The use of objective reality of coins is clever but objective reality that magic doesn't exist is just as clever to disprove these harry potter characters of the past
@Muhammad Hakim 🏴 ok black flag
Can the person that disliked the video without watching it please offer a coherent, factual refutation for the content of the video? Or did you dislike the video emotionally, you know, just for the sake of disliking it? #growupbuddy
Fati you look funny with this style 😂😁😂 clowns
The coin is the proved everything. Amzing and absolutely correct.
Many western kingdoms still have the regent on their coins - and change them when there's a change of regent.
Looking forward to having Prince / King Charles on my money - Not !
@Muhammad Hakim 🏴 Yeah ... I was just commenting on the coin thing.
So much for all of the modern religions' origins . In Texas they say ,don't ruin a good story with the truth.
The truth might be in the powers that create and defend currency(coins).
In the US, the Constitution states that the government has the power of coinage. I am skeptical about dating a religion based on coinage.
Christianity exists. Abraham to Adam is 1948 years, and there was a blood moon on Passover of 1948 and in 1967 there was a blood moon on important Jewish day. Also 1967 Israelite Hebrews won verses multiple different enemies on the 7th day just like in The Bible, All Glory to GOD!!! Soon CHRIST Returns. Also blood moons are Biblical and signs said in The Bible. sun would not give it's light and moon would be red.
Well there’s those that say Mohammad wasn’t a real person and didn’t even exist.
I would like to see also how the history of coinage proves dates for other religions in particular Christianity. I've got buckets of old bronze Roman coins I have recently acquired that are currently soaking in oil and in a few months they will be ready to properly clean and I can't wait to see what they reveal. I think I have around 10,000 total from various periods circa 20 BCE to I think around 550 CE or so. Some are not Roman strictly speaking being the later ones but are from areas where the last of the Western Empire diminished. They are from about 30 or so different hoards from all over mostly Europe where the Romans occupied.
Do a YT video displaying them. You won't see any references to christianity on the early Roman coins. Not until the reign of the first christian emperor.
Very cool! What a fascinating treasure hoard to explore!
BTW Mohammad is not the name but the title that means "the praise one"
'Destroying Islam' by denying its existence?
How does that work out for you Jay Smith?
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Very valid points
I bet that ancient Palestinian coins are worth a good buck to the right collector..
There's no such thing as a Palestinian coin.
theres no ancient palestinian coins
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In Saudi Arabia, they do not change the coins, but the paper money is rapidly changed, and the image of the new king is printed on it. And, some store keepers will not accept the paper money of the old king. The banks have a moratorium period, when people can exchange the old paper money for new money with the new king.
Modern day rules are irrelevant.
Then please explain of the Quranic Manuscript currently in Birmingham carbon dated ce 568 - 645.
In the name of Allah,
- The idea that coins would have been used by Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, or Ali is unfounded. There was no tradition of the mintage of coins in the Arabian peninsula at the time, and trade was primarily done on the basis of bartering (although some coins such as those produced by the Romans and Persians had some circulation).
- Additionally, these were BIG NAMES in the early Muslim community - everyone knew them, and they had a legendary status, known throughout their realms as the mujahideen pushed forth in all directions. They had no need to 'announce their rulership' as you suggested.
- Furthermore, you PROVED my claims made earlier in this paragraph by your showing of the maps of mints where coins were made - the minting of coins simply was not a priority for the early Muslim khulafah, and thus, once the Muslims had developed a need to make their own coinage (as the Romans and Sassanids lost control of land and thus their coins were not actively being produced, and the coins now had an importance for international trade with other great kingdoms) they simply used what had been used before. Why make new mints, hire labor, and spend existing funds to divert from jihad and the ruling of the state?
- Nobody has ever claimed that coins were ever produced in significant numbers, if at all, in Makkah and Madinah. These are holy cities which shouldn't be used for the mere purpose of minting coins or creating industry. The idea that the Rashidun Khulafah would have made coins there is silly and comes from a position of little knowledge on Islam and Islamic traditions.
- SOMETHING needed to fill the void after the defeat of the kuffar by the Khilafat - this was the prime purpose of reusing their mints and dies. Notice that the Muslims did not begin to produce new mints for quite a time after their victories over the mushrikeen. This was not for no reason. The Khilafat had more significant things to worry about, and the design of little coins was not a big deal. Every coin in existence in the region was a coin which bore the name of some Roman or Sassanian - what's the big deal with minting a few more for the next few years until we have expanded the Dar Al-Islam?
- Notice that the only thing changed on the coins were those things that promoted shirk. You cleverly avoided mentioning this, claiming that Christian symbols and Zoroastrian symbols were promoted on the coins of the early Muslims. This is patently false, as the crosses of the denarius and the fire worshippers of the drachma had been removed almost immediately once minting by the Muslims had begun. Why do you think more of your "cross coins" haven't been found? Their numbers are EXCEEDINGLY low (and they are all regionally produced bronze fals coins, designed to be quickly and cheaply made by a local overseer, not the relatively highly important dirhams or dinars) compared to those that had been edited to remove the cross. Shirk was the only thing more important (in the sense that it must be avoided) to the early Muslims than their immediate goals for expansion and the defeat of the Romans and Persians. That's why they removed the symbols of shirk and left the images - which actually aren't haram if the body is not fully displayed or is missing some vital element, such as the eyes, or is not detailed. Wa Allahu A'lam on the fatwa.
- You brought up why Mu'awiya lived in Damascus, and the answer is very simple. His clan, and people, originated from the region of Damascus and Syria. His support base was there, whilst the support base of the Rashidun Khulafa was in Hejaz.
- The idea that Mu'awiyah deified himself in any way is simply foolish and laughable. Allah is the King - one of His names is Al-Malik. By putting "Bismillah Al-Malik" this demonstrates the king's submission to the King of Kings - Allah.
- You are correct, however, about the moon and crescent. It is a symbol unrelated to Islam which emerged in the 13th century amongst the Turks. As one should know, the Turks were a tengrist people before converting to Islam. The symbol for the Tengrist god is a moon and star, and had pervaded it's way into the culture of the Turks. With the Turks becoming the premier Muslim power and eventually khilafat in the Ottoman Empire, this symbol became errantly associated with Islam. It is vital we get rid of this symbol of jahiliyyah.
- The imagery being thrown out was done because the Muslims finally had a need and the free money to do so - the reuse of older designs was perfectly acceptable until then. The jihad had made headway, and the booty of the wars could be reallocated. Thus, the time and effort was then spent to properly formulate coinage to be truly distinct, both to reflect political softpower and to reflect the fight of tawheed against the trinity.
There is no god but Allah alone, with no partners, and Muhammad is his final messenger.
The arguments of the kuffar are argued from a point of laziness and non-facts.
Islam is the truth and I invite you to accept it.
Allahu Akbar.
Hello brother please can u explain something to me, please,I'm confused
I find it funny that Islam haters try so hard to make up lies and twist narratives to fit their hate ideology. Islam will be victorious and Islam is the truth Allahu Akbar
@@fine100 Precisely brother, Allahu Akbar. And good luck on the looksmaxxing!
This just doesnt run,nowhere in history has there ever been a ruler symbol that has not projected a ruler or definitive period.therefore Muhammed must have been a christian.if anything and Allah is not one God.
@@michaelholt7994 They did project their rule - just not through monetary means.
Great video, but were coins really necessary for us to know that Islam was and is complete BS? I knew that by the time I was 14...
Great discovery
Now Islam just needs De-Bollocking
The Secret Book (Apocrypha) of Yâhuwchânâ´n says:
“...Each has its own realm modeled on one of the higher realms. And each new name refers to a glory in the heavens So that Yaldabaoth’s demons might be destroyed. The demons’ own names, given by Yaldabaoth, are mighty names But the Powers’ names reflecting the glory above Will bring about the demons’ destruction and remove their Power. That is why each has two names. Yaldabaoth modeled his creation On the pattern of the original realms above him So that it might be just like the indestructible realms. [Not that he had ever seen the indestructible ones. Rather, the power in him, deriving from his mother, made him aware of the pattern of the cosmos above.]”
- Secret Book (Apocrypha) of Yâhuwchânâ´n
[Yaldabaoth is Yaldabosheth in Hebrew, meaning "Spawn of shame", and Yeled means "youth", this is what Wisdom, the mother mentioned, called the adversary, who was conceived without the Father.]
@Common Sense Realist a weak response.
Fun fact - Jay Smith is actually a Jedi 🙂
so what? this was well known long before, unless there is an movement within islam that claims Judaism and Christianity don't predate islam this is not telling anyone anything new.
Did u see any "BoRAK" ON any Temple Coin?
Abd Al Malik is the real inventor of Islam?
I think it means many people have invented a psychosis?
thank you Al Fadi and Jay once again for exposing islam.
Why are you wearing a bedoin headscarf?
Al Malik is one of the names of god in Islam I wouldn’t say that coin is referring to the king of Umayyad’s cuz they call themselves caliphs not kings ~ so stop lying u guys are SO embarrassing
+some history cuz y’all never read
Islamic currencies Currency is a form that facilitates trade compared to the old mode of exchange based on the direct exchange of goods known as “barter”. During the era of the Prophet ( peace be upon him )Muslims were using dirhams and Byzantine and Persian dinars, and the imposition of zakat came in these currencies, which were not modified, whether in the artistic form or in the content of the writings. During the reign of Caliph Abu Bakr al-Siddiq (632-634), these currencies continued to be used without any additions. During the reign of Caliph Omar bin Al-Khattab (634-644) AD, Muslims wanted to highlight their independent personality despite their preoccupation with conquests, striking Islamic coins of a Byzantine or Persian character, but by adding Arabic words such as "praise be to God" and "Muhammad the Messenger of God" as well as the names of the righteous caliphs instead of the name of Khosra.
All sounds very interesting, so long as you know nothing about the subject. This guy knows absolutely nothing about numismatics (the study of coins). He doesn't understand what he's looking at. These were all existing Byzantine and Persian mints, with their existing molds, who kept producing coins using the old molds under the new government. The important thing was to keep coins in circulation and keep the economy going. Gradually the new government introduces its own inscriptions and imagery. He wants to read into this evidence all kinds of ridiculous conclusions. You know folks, you need to learn to be a little skeptical of a "scholar" who is talking about what he happened to notice in a museum exhibit last year, and how it completely changes history. Real scholars take time to research and build an argument, circulate it at conferences and in academic journals, before they go parading around in a show like this with their great "discovery."
Like he said, you need to go and watch the full series where he covers the points you make and much more
The point of this video is to debunk what Islam has portrayed about it's existence and influence
Go and watch the rest of his coin series he more than covers your points
Perhaps. But 60 years?
The flaw in your outlook ,is it presumes that the more people that agree on something, the more correct it is , But if you consider that the Abrahamic religions were adopted by the Slavers, Then it stands to reason that you can never trust what the slave organization tells you , because you are a slave to the delusional concept of "I" in the first place
I'm not so sure about that. As we know, following Mohammed's death, it didn't take islam long to splinter into two warring factions, the Sunni and the Shiah, the latter led by Ali. This self destructive phase eventually led to some kind of truce and only then did Islam establish itself as a major political force in the Middle East. I am not surprised that the coins did not show up mentioning Islam for 60 or so years. It took Christianity even longer to gain political power.
Well, ok, but let me ask you this. The city states of Mecca and Medina were supposedly conquered in Muhammad's lifetime, and then there is the destruction of the Jewish kingdoms to consider. One would think that each had a coinage with iconography that would have been either offensive or obsolete so far as Islam was concerned. So, would one not expect to find a coinage in these places that reflected the new arrangements earlier than 692?
@@fearlessfosdick160 I think you would need to get the views of a genuine expert on coinage to answer that one. Reading Muhammed's biographies, there is no mention of nor indication that he was at all concerned with such matters, nor that it was a topic amongst his followers. During his lifetime the battle against the Quaresh was the major concern, and afterwards the conflict between the followers of his friend and father in law Abu Bakr and his nephew Ali overshadowed everything else. To my knowledge, historians of that period have never regarded the lack of "Islamic coinage" as indicative of any major reason to doubt the basic chronology or the facts as accepted today.
@@carlgrove8793 Do we have any biographies for Muhammed with any forensic historical value? The furthest historians who don't rely on the traditions seem willing to go is that he probably existed.
It's funny how you remove the comments of Muslims - if you are so sure we are wrong, stop removing us.
these are Ummayid coins, the enemies of the Prophet Muhammed, he has nothing, really nothing, no information that is valid, I watched the first 15 minutes, and everything he said was literally wrong or misused for his purposes, Ali didn't print coins
Silly arguments based on a very skewed perspective of history. Was Christ ever documented anywhere in the first century? Nope. These silly arguments have no historical basis.
In the name of Allah,
- The idea that coins would have been used by Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, or Ali is unfounded. There was no tradition of the mintage of coins in the Arabian peninsula at the time, and trade was primarily done on the basis of bartering (although some coins such as those produced by the Romans and Persians had some circulation).
- Additionally, these were BIG NAMES in the early Muslim community - everyone knew them, and they had a legendary status, known throughout their realms as the mujahideen pushed forth in all directions. They had no need to 'announce their rulership' as you suggested.
- Furthermore, you PROVED my claims made earlier in this paragraph by your showing of the maps of mints where coins were made - the minting of coins simply was not a priority for the early Muslim khulafah, and thus, once the Muslims had developed a need to make their own coinage (as the Romans and Sassanids lost control of land and thus their coins were not actively being produced, and the coins now had an importance for international trade with other great kingdoms) they simply used what had been used before. Why make new mints, hire labor, and spend existing funds to divert from jihad and the ruling of the state?
- Nobody has ever claimed that coins were ever produced in significant numbers, if at all, in Makkah and Madinah. These are holy cities which shouldn't be used for the mere purpose of minting coins or creating industry. The idea that the Rashidun Khulafah would have made coins there is silly and comes from a position of little knowledge on Islam and Islamic traditions.
- SOMETHING needed to fill the void after the defeat of the kuffar by the Khilafat - this was the prime purpose of reusing their mints and dies. Notice that the Muslims did not begin to produce new mints for quite a time after their victories over the mushrikeen. This was not for no reason. The Khilafat had more significant things to worry about, and the design of little coins was not a big deal. Every coin in existence in the region was a coin which bore the name of some Roman or Sassanian - what's the big deal with minting a few more for the next few years until we have expanded the Dar Al-Islam?
- Notice that the only thing changed on the coins were those things that promoted shirk. You cleverly avoided mentioning this, claiming that Christian symbols and Zoroastrian symbols were promoted on the coins of the early Muslims. This is patently false, as the crosses of the denarius and the fire worshippers of the drachma had been removed almost immediately once minting by the Muslims had begun. Why do you think more of your "cross coins" haven't been found? Their numbers are EXCEEDINGLY low (and they are all regionally produced bronze fals coins, designed to be quickly and cheaply made by a local overseer, not the relatively highly important dirhams or dinars) compared to those that had been edited to remove the cross. Shirk was the only thing more important (in the sense that it must be avoided) to the early Muslims than their immediate goals for expansion and the defeat of the Romans and Persians. That's why they removed the symbols of shirk and left the images - which actually aren't haram if the body is not fully displayed or is missing some vital element, such as the eyes, or is not detailed. Wa Allahu A'lam on the fatwa.
- You brought up why Mu'awiya lived in Damascus, and the answer is very simple. His clan, and people, originated from the region of Damascus and Syria. His support base was there, whilst the support base of the Rashidun Khulafa was in Hejaz.
- The idea that Mu'awiyah deified himself in any way is simply foolish and laughable. Allah is the King - one of His names is Al-Malik. By putting "Bismillah Al-Malik" this demonstrates the king's submission to the King of Kings - Allah.
- You are correct, however, about the moon and crescent. It is a symbol unrelated to Islam which emerged in the 13th century amongst the Turks. As one should know, the Turks were a tengrist people before converting to Islam. The symbol for the Tengrist god is a moon and star, and had pervaded it's way into the culture of the Turks. With the Turks becoming the premier Muslim power and eventually khilafat in the Ottoman Empire, this symbol became errantly associated with Islam. It is vital we get rid of this symbol of jahiliyyah.
- The imagery being thrown out was done because the Muslims finally had a need and the free money to do so - the reuse of older designs was perfectly acceptable until then. The jihad had made headway, and the booty of the wars could be reallocated. Thus, the time and effort was then spent to properly formulate coinage to be truly distinct, both to reflect political softpower and to reflect the fight of tawheed against the trinity.
There is no god but Allah alone, with no partners, and Muhammad is his final messenger.
The arguments of the kuffar are argued from a point of laziness and non-facts.
Islam is the truth and I invite you to accept it.
Allahu Akbar.
Just wondering, why this PhD and bla bla bla degree scholar doing here?Why dont just go and invent time machine? With their ability (according to their fan they r greatest scholar though in Academic they r just armature) they should be able to invent a time machine.
He sure was. The 4 gospels were all written within 40 years of Jesus' death (using liberal dated)
Josephus and Tacitus both mention Jesus as a real person, and both wrote in the 1st century.