Staccato XC vs Bul Armory Tac Pro 4.25
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- čas přidán 25. 06. 2024
- The Staccato XC is a dream gun for many - the Bul Armory Tac Pro 4.25 is a very cool gun that does something similar at about half the price - so we square the guns off in a head to head deep dive!
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0:00 Intro
1:38 Porting vs Compensator
5:39 Ammo Velocities
7:00 Ergonomics
9:51 Fit & Finish
13:00 Shooting Impressions
15:22 Lubing for reliability
16:06 Cleaning ports vs comp
17:50 Conclusion - Zábava
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You and Honest Outlaw has me really wanting a 2011 race gun.
Me and my polymer frame striker fired XDs Mod2 OSP agree ...
Just get a regular c2 or p (c2 if you want the option of carry). Get it with a threaded barrel, and out a red dirt trigger in it, and you’ve got a ‘race’ grade and duty grade gun for half of a custom
@@alexlevinson8629 probably good advice......I wonder if Stocatto offers a layaway program.....the Bul Armory 3.25" Compensated fluted barrel 1911 is @ $1890 and the ones you typed are higher....so I have to ask have you tried this specific Bull Armory 1911 @ $2200 with red dot? Because I'd buy the Compensated one @ $1890 and theirs my carry @ 3.25" if I ever could stay that long at work...😜
No dad joke to start off the video? No BDE statement? I dont recognize this channel anymore
Don't! If u want big dick energy go to the restroom of ur local shady park.
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I hate the bde nonsense
The more reviews you do on Bul pistols the more I want one. Always Appreciate your in-depth reviews especially the attention to the little details.
Great comparison DAVID!! Thanks for the review. Have a good week Brother!!
Great video and a good explanation of the different port systems. Very nice indeed. On the whole I'd be pretty happy with either gun.
Another thing to consider about the ports is even though they are smaller than a comp, they have higher pressure gas coming out of them because they are still pressurized from the round still being in the barrel.
Definitely a high value proposition from the Bul. Getting a lot for your dollar. Too bad they can’t make them faster. I simply gave up on them after I’d been on their “in stock” notification list for 8 months and when they dropped at 7am on a Sunday last month they sold out in 2 hours before I even saw the email. Seems Very strange to have so much demand and be incapable of even getting close meeting it. The 5” version sold out in a day recently as well.
Seeing how you shot both is the XC huge amount better as far as recoil and flat , fast shooting or just small amount ?
LOVE Ingram ammo!!! Have used in major comps and never disappointed!
Love the comparison. Trying the oil you suggested.
The 5” Tac Pro was available earlier this week, but is now showing sold out. I’ve been going back and forth on that or the xc, or the p in steal and comped.
I've been a Bul Transmark owner since the late 90's...love 'em. Seriously good bang for the buck.
Great review with none of the “look at me” superfluous stuff that seems to be in the others. Subscribed!
Very informative review on two great target pistols, Thank You.
Great content sir! Love the knowledge
i think you are the only person on youtube to make videos on the sas ii 4.25 Pro version as of this post. appreciate the reviews.
Nice guns 🔥🔥 and a really good review.
Thank you, this was great
Great review of both great pistols Thanks for the comparison. I’m like you I’d like to test the 5” BUL when it comes out. Keep up the fanatic videos always a joy to watch and learn 👍👍
This was great info. There are only a handful of videos on the XC and almost nothing on the new Bul, let alone comparing them. Thanks
You need to up your search kungfu. There are tons of vid's on the XC and i get bombarded with them everyday. ;
Cool video thanks for the info
great review as always
fyi, comps are easy to clean, Kano Kroil. I shot a bunch of Hi-Tec coated bullets out of my XC when I got it, leading was really bad. Used a q-tip to wet the inside of the comp, then went out and shot some Berry's and it blew almost all of the lead out. Now I'm using DG Bullets or Blue Bullets, not Hi-Tec coated, and use Kroil, and almost no leading.
Great video. Just a note, Staccato has way better customer service than Bul Armory. This is coming from a future Bul owner if the gun ever shows up. I’m from California with the BS restrictions but Bul doesn’t make it easy to purchase their firearm. Staccato has the process down perfectly. With that said, once the C drops, I am buying the Staccato C. Take care all.
Just shot my first USPSa match and was keeping up with B shooters Jim Krantz is a great person to have on your squad!
well done!
THE POWER OF MATH definitely got me to subscribe!
Having never shot either I think I would prefer the Bull Armory would make one hell of a carry piece
After watching Nightwood Guns video a couple of weeks ago, "Compensators or Ports for EDC? *And Why?*", he might have a point worth considering if you plan to use a ported gun as a carry gun. Both sweet guns though.
Great comparison. There is a 5" Tac Pro on the Bul site. Same price as the 4.25" at $2250. Sold out though. I'd be very interested in that, I think. I'm loving my SAS II Air. How about an Air vs XC review?😉
Great video, but I'm waiting on the DWX review
I have the cash for a Staccato & Bul Armory but for some reason my eyes are all on Bul Armory. Time to shop!
Just ordered the 5" Pro. Guess you'll be doing another video! 😁
As a newer competition shooter I really value your opinion. I have accuracy down at this point and am currently working on speed. I shoot a CZ shadow 2 orange and love the gun. One of these days I may break fully into the 2011 world. I do have a prodigy but have not shot any matches with it and still shoot my DASA gun better
the guns matter some - but not a ton.
I have an XC and a 5" Bul Pro. I like both, but considering the price, I'd say the Bul 5" Pro is better. Great gun for half the price. My 2 cents.
In your expert opinion, Bul 4.25" pro vs. 5" pro? More range gun than carry. With Holosun 507 Comp mounted. Will there be a better accuracy level w\5"? The 4.25" might be faster, but I'd rather have the accuracy. Or buy whichever becomes available online first? I'm a newbie. I think the 5" could make more sense, but I have no experience to state that for sure. Thanks for any advice.
@@michaelkraus4115 I love my 5" Pro. Never shot the 4.25". I'd go 5".
@@michaelkraus4115 I also have a 507 Comp on the Bul. SRO on the XC.
@@AraAshjian777 Thanks for your reply. I just found out that Bul is releasing a new lineup for 2024. I'm looking at getting the 5" TAC Pro (V8 ported),w
ew optics mounted system! Throwing a green Holosun 507 Comp on top. Check out Bul's new lineup: czcams.com/video/gz-7wOb8tfc/video.htmlsi=4MXFL5ddRlbdbQUp
If I had kids, I would totally rock that big dad energy shirt.
I sent my 4.25" SASll out to DSC Gunworks in Michigan for his V8 porting. LOVE IT. Sending my UL 3.25" up for V6 porting soon. For $360 (i think), it's worth it IMO over losing an inch of length for a comp.
After porting one of my pistolas I want to port everything now.
@@johnbuntin7188 Absolutely agreed! Port all the things!
@@ericsea7783 Porting the gateway drug.🙂
well I fell for the pitch, just order the accuracy and carbon remover oils, thanks for the code! Looking forward to trying this product
Great content as always. What would you pick. Prodigy customized your way or the bul tac pro. Seems like more bang for buck with the tac pro. Looking at buying first 2011. Thanks
Great video, I have a SAS II 3.25 as well as a SAS II Tac Pro 4.25 coming in this week. As far as oil goes, I use Amsoil 0-20 and it's the best. I even use it to clean with too.
Motor oil is pretty good stuff - but I’m telling you accuracy oil is on another level.
@@TheHumbleMarksman Might want to look into Amsoil motor oil specifically.
Love my C2 9mm
Unabashed Bul addict here... I'd buy the Tac Pro and the SAS II UL Comp. Pretty sure that comes in less than the XC and I've had way better luck w/ Bul than Staccato.
Great video, keep 'em coming
Regardless of the gun he reviews, the information provided in each of his vids is new to me and very useful. - Just a Plinker here...
Great video I would like to see the Staccato XC go up against the Atlas Athena
Yes!!! Great request let's see that battle.
I prefer the xc but Athena has top notch build quality
Recoil has everything to preserved momentum/energy. The momentum of the projectile away from you is calculated by its weight and velocity. So both values affect recoil not just one or the other. The other factor is how short/long the lever arm is or, in other words, how close you can get to the fulcrum of movement(height over bore and hand position high in beaver tail using webbing of hand etc)
No mention of the rest of the ejecta…
I think everyone knows that. It misses the point here entirely as pertaining to ports and comps.
KnifeMaker
Great comparison… I want both 😂
To clean the carbon build up on on my ported 1911/2011's I use a 1/8" Brass pin punch. It is soft enough to not scratch the bbl, yet cuts the carbon beautifully. It kinda acts like a pencil eraser does on paper. A real time saver! ;
good job
While your area for the port and comp size is probably right, the ports will do more work per area. Simply because the bullet is still in the barrel and the pressure is higher than at the comp, where pressure suddenly drops and some hot gas can also go forward behind the bullet. This following gas would've done something in the ports, but with the comp it is now lost.
I'm pretty sure it's volume of gas that is redirected away from the direction of recoil that does more work than the pressure of what gas escapes. Think about it - the recoil is the equal and opposite of the reaction - using made up numbers - lets pretend that the comp redirects 80% of the gas up and only 20 % of the gas exits the muzzle - since it's half the diameter lets pretend that 40% of the gas exits the ports and 60% makes it out plus the weight of the bullet. There's just more ejecta leaving the barrel with ports versus a comp. a chunk port up front might be closer to what a comp is - but even still - that's not going to redirect as much as a comp would.
@@TheHumbleMarksman you are right about the amount of gas. Plus, as you said in the video, the forward position of the comp is more advantageous for leverage.
I just tried to point out that the comp with more than twice the opening area of the ports won't do twice the work, as the ports squeeze out more per area despite their less advantageous leverage.
Сначала дырки в стволе, потом дырки в ложке, следом безалкогольное пиво и резиновая женщина. Только компенсатор выбор мужчины.😆😂🤣
I think the Staccato grip and overall look is garbage for the cost. They could have done a better job. Before STI changed to Staccato they put out a much better product like the DVC. I also don't think a $4300 gun should have a polymer grip, they could have made it aluminum for the cost
Hello! The 5 inch came out a while ago, you thinking about doing a sas ii pro 5 vs XC? Would be a little more of a fair comparison maybe! Cheers!
I have both. I'd rather buy a Bul than a P. The XC isn't compatible for the average shooter like myself. Ignore the price, the gun just runs. I have a highly modified Prodigy I'd like you to try.
No brainer, I picked both lol!
Have you tried the Tac Pro 5”? It feels super smooth.
No dad jokes 😭
I’m curious to see you do a head up on the 5 inch ported bull when it comes out and a XC I don’t own a XC but I do own a dsc v8 ported 5 inch prodigy and several compensated guns and that v8 prodigy is hands down the flattest gun I own! The bull ports and the dsc v8 look similar.
Wait… what happened to the BDE and dad joke intro? I enjoyed those.
Giving it a break for now. The truly high quality ones were coming harder to find.
6:30 is the best time on the clock…………hands down.
You’re welcome
Question...competition wise, what can you use these guns for besides IDPA? Running either in USPSA open wouldn't be ideal. What do you, David, use them for? I recently bought a Staccato P Heritage 4.15 for carry and USPSA limited optics. I was looking at the XC but I'm not a giant fan of IDPA.
Ports have smaller area but gases are under way higher pressure because they push bullet and there is almost no bypass for them around bullet inside of barrel. Comps need to have clearance so gases can escape also around bullet, they are in the end of barrel where the pressure is lower.
The speed difference is virtually nonexisting in case you compare the same lenght guns which these two are not.
This lost 40-60 FPS versus the standard Tac - my Tac was within 7FPS of the XC- there is a significant velocity loss due to porting
@@TheHumbleMarksman I mean in case you want to compare apples with apples, you need to compare XC with 5" Tac Pro, or shorten the XC which would make it somewhere 3,5-3,75" barrel gun and the speed would drop to 4,25" Tac Pro level.
@@ggrandcz I will do a short on this - but I am willing to bet a 5" ported barrel will be similar velocities to a 4.25 barrel with a comp. The 5" gun I also chrono'd while filming this video got 5% faster velocities than the 4.25 non ported gun. a 5" ported gun isn't the same as a 4.25+comp - technically.
Love your vids! Great video. Very informative. Couldn’t help but wonder how the SAS II AIR would have stacked up against the XC.
I chrono'd it and shot at the same time - the XC is much easier to shoot still since they weigh about the same and the XC has a comp versus a 5" non comp gun.
@@TheHumbleMarksman Now you got me wondering how the nicer CZ Shadow/Tactical Sports pistols might fair against the XC??
Wondering how the CZ Tactical Sport 2 would compare to these?
Nice
Would you consider doing a video on how you clean your compensators? I have a couple PMM equipped guns and am new to the game… can’t seem to get that lead out
Either a brass pick and patience - softening it up with some kind of solvent - or you can use the dip - but now you have a super toxic bottle of stuff to deal with
Would like to see the XC against the Tac Pro 5 i feel like thatd be a more fair comparison regarding overall feel.
Great video, i like how you broke down the length of travel in the barrel for ports v compensator and overall escape space, some things ive never heard before always nice to learn new stuff. Your comparison videos are always informative and consciously thorough, i enjoyed this one.
I have both. I'll let you know shortly.
@AraAshjian777 i have the tac pro 5 and have been considering the xc for a while so that'd be great I appreciate it
I would instantly buy a Ported Stainless Bul 5"
Looking forward to seeing you at TriggerCon.
Thanks for the video. Would you consider reviewing the Rock Island double stack 1911? Their pro match is a 5" bull barrel and sub 1k price; Hayes Customs does modifications packages as well.
when they do optic cut guns I will immediately
You probably meant Rock Island not Hayes my bad!
Sharp lookin pistols
The XC is listed as a Duty/Competition gun. I watched other videos you had on the XC. In a 2011 platform if you had to pick one to carry every day for personal defense and for dealing with predatory pests on your farm if you had one what would be your pick with respect to the durability of the gun and the finish for rust prevention, reliability whit a range of ammo, and dependability that you would bet your life on it going bang every time. I am aware of the cleaning requirements for 1911 and 2011 firearms.
I have an XC and just received my 5" Tac2 Pro. I'll let you know soon which I like better. 😊
I haven't shot my buddy's yet.
BUL ARMORY SAS II ULTRALIGHT 3.25″ COMP review please :D
I fancy myself a firearms expert, I'd say go with more velocity EVERY time. Then, when you miss at 100 yards the bullet "could have" done more damage
As far as a 4.25” carry pistol. I can’t think of any scenario outside of a ground war and not having a long gun where one would ever be shooting at anything 100 yards away. Outside of a really stupid and ill prepared terrorist 🤷🏻♂️
REM oil is pretty smooth, it has teflon in it.
I understand that dries out pretty quick.
@@TheHumbleMarksman There's a video idea, do it project farm style. I got my hand on Rem oil on deployment and it was the smoothest oil I've used. I wasn't sure who brought it overseas, but it sure beat the CLP we were given. I wasn't a grunt but rem oil made me fidget with my M4's charging handle a lot because how smooth it was.(in a safe environment without loaded magazine).
To me the Air looked flatter than the 4.5 ported tac
All that BDE shows up at the range in a town & country. 😉
Are there any advantages/ disadvantages that come into play when shooting the TAC vs TAC PRO when considering the TAC has an aluminum frame and the TAC PRO has a stainless steel frame?
lighter guns jump more.
@TheHumbleMarksman looking forward to seeing your video on the TAC 5 PRO
You make a point about the port area compared between the two, but you haven't mentioned that the ported barrel is venting high pressure gas, as it's coming out while the projectile is still sealing the end of the barrel. Where as gas coming out of a compensator is actually low pressure, because there is nothing sealing the end of the comp to create that high pressure gas redirection. You certainly lose velocity with barrel ports because you are dropping the pressure, but you shouldn't lose that much with a comp because the projectile has already left the barrel before the gas can even get into the comp.
It'd be very interesting to get them both on a ransom rest and running them to see which is actually more effective by how far the gun lifts.
As an open shooter - it’s a comp - 100%.
Also pressure isn’t the major reason there is a reduction - it’s more to do with gas volume - you are venting more unburned powder as well as gas with ports.
@@TheHumbleMarksman Boyles Law would argue that. I'm an open shooter too and have had barrel ports added to a comped gun and it halved muzzle rise. Empirical data of course.
czcams.com/video/3xEI36Dtf04/video.html
It all has to work as a system, the gun, springs, ammo etc, i just don't think its a simple as calculating port/comp area. What works for one person might not for another. Not here to cause arguements at all, i love watching your content. Would be interesting to see the numbers :).
@@jasenolan7357 ports and comps is obviously better - the best set up open guns run popples and comps- but just comp versus just port - the comp is going to win.
Off topic and obviously a whole lot less in price, but any experience with the bul axe hatchet?
I have one now - assuming you mean the less costly of the Glock clone lineup. I have a video coming probably in October discussing.
Easy math for me, Bul is roughly half the price but WAY more than half the gun a Stacatto is. Bul is doing it right.
As price increases, the benefits lessen. It is the way it is in all custom products. Yet we still strive for the pinnacle in performance.
KnifeMaker
Can you use the Dawson Precision tool less guide rod on the Bul Armory?
probably
I'm running an Atlas 4.25 tool less guide rod in my Tac Pro if that helps any.
Accuracy?
Biggest gripe I have seen about the Staccato XC is the slide release being so far forward that most people actuate with their support hand. Is that the same with the Bul Armory? I noticed that is one area you did not discuss during the ergonomics section.
That’s a 1911 thing and has been that way for 100 years. In the scheme of what a gun is supposed to do - that’s pretty low on the list. Use your support hand as you rebuild the grip
Any recommendations for a safety delete kit? To remove the lefty safety from an ambi safety 1911...
any single sided safety will do the trick.
Is copper jacket "sprawl" a concern with ported guns? Nightwood Guns had a interesting YT talking about it.
it can be - avoid TMJ rounds
@@TheHumbleMarksman To add to this, now days you have to be careful or test a lot. So many ammo manufacturers are going to plated bullets. Both TMJ and open bases bullets. The makers of Berry's bullets which are plated state flat out that they are not for ported bbl's. comps are not affected like ports are.
Blazer brass, Fiocchi, and in a different way, Winchester white box are an issue. the Winchester has a cupped base with very soft lead core which allows them to deform easily. . In ported bbl's, especially larger ports such as a Stacc port, the base expands into the poots and is shave off which leaves lead deposits inside the slide. Plated bullets are much worse. Even fully lapping the inside of the bore and counter boring the ports from the inside do not stop this, only lessen it.. Longer range accuracy is very affected. At 20 yards, huge difference!
I see normanly jacketed bullets that are brass jacketed still deform slightly at the base whereas quality coper jackets are virtually unaffected. Same with the steel jacketed and then plated bullets from Tul and wolf. Totally unaffected.
Issue is even though we may know not to use tmj bullets which is a plated bullet, most ammo makers are not telling us that the are tmj but rather still put fmj on the box. GRRRRRR!!! Another way to save money and make a better profit as plated bullets are substantially less expensive to produce.
I've been porting bbl's for my use and fellow shooters since 1993 and have gained a lot of insight in this area.
My C2 sports three ports and a Genghis type comp machinated in to the slide and muzzle. It shoots extremely soft. :
Excellent and very helpful explanation, David! Well done. However, we did miss the dad joke though. I would still say, I would choose the Bul Armory than the Staccato. Mostly due to cost factor. Staccato is nice but at +$2K more is a tough justification.
BDE can retire, it’s overplayed.
nice vid
A wise man once said"Man who stand on toilet, is high on pot"
Do you know when the 5inch will be released in the states?
It dropped like a week ago and sold out immediately.
Any idea how the Bul guns will do with high round count? I feel that the Aluminum frame would have a lot shorter life that steel alternative?
This is steel
The Tac Pro has a steel frame. It will easily withstand tens of thousands of rounds. The regular Tac or any aluminium framed 2011 for that matter... not so much.
I do use a lot of “jazz hands” in my dancing, fyi
What mag release extension do you have on the Bul?
I can’t remember what it’s called - it’s from Shooters Connection though
Wouldn't it had been better to compare the tac 5 or tac 5 pro to the XC since they are yhe same size?
The barrel on the XC is commander length but the dust cover is 5” - do you go by barrel or dust cover?
Correct me if I'm mistaken.. the Bul Armory guns don't run on "standard" 2011 mags and use a proprietary mag? I'm interested as that's a reasonable price, but I'm pretty heavy into Staccato pattern mags already and would hate to have to add another pattern.
The Bul mags are a third of the price, for what it's worth.
@@geraldholt2755 And higher capacity.
Yes - they aren't the same magazines.
Based on your video, and my experience owning a Staccato P, I’d choose the XC.
I’m waiting to shoot my friends Bul Armory SAS II 5-inch (non ported version). The only problem he’s having is finding extra Bul Armory mags.
Question. Which P do you own. Thanks
I've bought all my extra Bul mags off their website, no issues. Fast shipping
@@Charlie-go6eb I bought mine a year ago - the Staccato P DPO w/steel frame (and SRO). I’d prefer the newer aggressive grip and slide cut X-series, but I have over 5k rounds with no issues so I’ll keep her stock.
@@brianb3628 Thanks for the reply. I was thinking about going that route but with a threaded barrel to add a comp. I’ve never shot a Staccato but imagine its bettermthen my Bul SAS ii 4.25.
@@Charlie-go6eb I have not yet shot my buddies Bul Armory SAS II 5-inch, but I don’t think you can go wrong with either pistol.
Can you do platypus vs bull armory and prodigy
Probably not.
So. Bul Armory tac 4.25 or stealth arms Platypus commander length?
Depends what you wanna do- both are great. Bul grip has more aggressive traction
Have you had any trouble with your Holosuns overheating. I have the 507 Comp and it works fine in an AC room but in direct sun it starts to fade in and out and then shuts off, this requires the battery to be removed, a cooling off period in the shade and reset. Not fun when shooting a competition. I've reached out to Holosun but so far I have not heard back from them. That was 3 weeks ago and a few times a week since then. I've heard they have had issues with heating up in the past.
Thanks for any help
I live in a very hot area. 105 plus in the summers, last Sat. I was shooting and it was 103 and of course my 507 comp did not work.
no - I used one in a 106 degree 2 day competition class.
4 times out with it and all 4 times same issue. I'm gonna send it back to holosun and let them figure it out. I've not had this type of issue with other holosuns or my rmr/sro. Just curious if others have had any issues since it's relatively new on the market.
thanks for making awesome videos.
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I've not has the issue here in Central hot as "L" Texas with the standard 507 or 407, but I just installed hard mounted Lupy Delta Pont Pron on the C-2 direct milled here in the shop. Conclusion still out on it.
KnifeMaker
Would you carry 90 gr +P+ with these guns?
My competition load for the XC is 95 grain @ 1400 FPS
So if I want my non compensated guns to feel a little less snappy I could go from 115 grain to a higher one like 124 or 147??
I thought that going to the higher grain projectiles would call for more recoil but maybe I just compared the wrong types of ammo.
@@Hollerboy931calculate the power-factor and start there. That’s how I found some weak sauce 9mm for comp use.
heavier projectiles slower
The bul comes in 5" too. The bul's are harder to get your hands on tho
Why didn't we compare the Bul Pro 5" to the Staccato?
Because it’s a 4.25 port gun to a 4.25 gun+comp.
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what mag release paddle is that on the Bul?
Boss components
@@TheHumbleMarksman thanks papi
2024 New Bull Armory pistol is right around the corner. I am pretty sure you could get in your hands from Bull Armory. I would like to know is it better than Staccato. I looks and is pretty identical to Staccato by all measures.
I already have a Tac Pro (2024) - I'll be ready to drop that video in a couple weeks - I wanted to spend a lot of time with it.