27. Judea in the Time of Jesus (Jewish History Lab)
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- Brief discussion of the political and social environment in first-century Judea. This lecture is also part of the course entitled Biblical Jewish History: From Abraham to Bar Kochba. Course information and registration here: henryabramson.com/course/bibl...
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Dr. Abramson, this was a fascinating talk. I strongly believe the Judeo-christians at the time of Jesus would not recognize christianity 200 years later.
Glad you enjoyed the lecture!
Well, depends. The Ebionites and Nazarenes were still around in some capacity.
@Jon N I think he was alluding to the changes to Christianity once Constantine appeased the pagans and allowed them to maintain their sun god worship as long as they named them for biblical events. 2 great examples are the summer and winter equinox. Shortest and longest days of sunlight which the sun god worshippers observed. You may know them better as Easter and Christmas. These pagan traditions found their way into Christianity by way of Constantine. Lent is another which is another sun god reference for the weeping for Tammuz. You can also see idolatry as well as sun discs behind the heads of all the important figures in the Christian Art. There is no doubt that Christianity in the first century looked more like what Moses taught to the Israelites as well as adhering to Feasts and other requirements of food restrictions etc. Also no one was worshipping Yeshua. Some understood he was the prophet who would come from the people like unto Moses that we must hear and obey. Apparently it was told to Peter through the ha-kodesh that he was a son of God.
It’s likely no self respecting Jew today would accept the nonsense post modern Christians try to convince them of. Most of it flies in the face of what they know of God and would never convince any of the faithful. Had Christianity stayed true to its origins it would fall more in line with what they understand from the Torah and the promises of God. They might be more likely to accept YESHUA as that Prophet like unto Moses. Yeshua of the first century is not the Jesus of today’s main stream Christianity.
Hi Dr. Abramson. Could you explain why the royalty of the kingdom of Adiabene has a palace in Jerusalem and there relation to the Jewish state and the Herodians and Hasmoneans. Why there is another royal family living in Jerusalem aside from the Hasmoneans and Herodeans. Adiabene is a vassal of Parthia very weird for them to live in Jerusalem in Judea a Roman vassal.
@Jon N as a believer in Yeshua as the Messiah myself I diverge from the typical Christianity that is today more a blend of paganism introduced by Constantine (which speaks to the OP’s comment) I wouldn’t agree that it’s a blend of Judaism as far as Pharisee law would interpret Judaism but it absolutely is foundational as far as the Torah and prophets are concerned minus the made made commentary of the Mishna and Talmud. My take on what Jesus taught was that he taught the Torah but went as far to describe the interpretations of his day to be false doctrine. It even exists to this day. He condemned the adding to or removing from of Gods commands. This isn’t limited to the Pharisees as we have seen this same thing occur in what is known as Christianity. As far as Paul, that’s a different subject entirely and I will save most for another time. Let me just say that it was Yeshua that we were told would be the prophet like unto Moses that we must hear and obey. I do not believe that describes Paul. All who take hold of the covenant will be greater than sons or daughters and should not be set apart. Isaiah 56. I see Paul’s teachings as being interpreted by many as Noahidism. I cannot conclude, but I concern myself with being grafted in to the tree. If we are to understand that there is no Jew or Gentile, only those who follow the word of God then we are in agreement on the basics of who will have a part in the world to come. Thanks for your generous reply.
I'm Muslim, but I find your videos Very informative and love the manner of delivery. thank you
Thank you so much for your kind feedback!
I’m convinced Dr Abramson doesn’t sleep.
I put these in the freezer in advance.
@@HenryAbramsonPhD How long has this one been in the fridge? Tasty!
@@HenryAbramsonPhD That is exactly what somebody that doesn't sleep would say
LOL
@@HenryAbramsonPhD how do you do all these things on top of full or more than full time job?
Thank you Dr Abramson for teaching us history related to bible stories and historical events, God bless you and the people of israel.
My suggestions brought me here. Just the high quality information and great presentation made me start from the beginning. Great job. Kudos!!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
this is the type of knowledge we need in 2020 critical thoughts , asking questions, understanding there is much unknown and misunderstood over the centuries.
Well, thank you! Too bad it expires in a few hours. What will we do in 2021?
Dr Abramson is wonderful. What on earth is more precious than a teacher. Thank you, Dr A
Thank you for the kind comment!
@@HenryAbramsonPhD it's the truth!!
Thank you sir, I have been following your historical teaching for some time and appreciate your style and humor.
You are very welcome
Thank you Dr. Abramson. Seems the older I get the more I appreciate our teachers.
You are very welcome
Im binge watching Your older videos and this was very interesting. Thank You!
I'm so glad that you are enjoying the videos!
I really enjoy these quick overviews of the time periods.
Glad you find them useful!
Excellent topic Sir....
Just following the chronology.
Lots of information. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Hi Dr. Abramson. Could you explain why the royalty of the kingdom of Adiabene has a palace in Jerusalem and there relation to the Jewish state and the Herodians and Hasmoneans. Why there is another royal family living in Jerusalem aside from the Hasmoneans and Herodeans. Adiabene is a vassal of Parthia very weird for them to live in Jerusalem in Judea a Roman vassal.
My reminder is set also!🤗
Great!
Excellent series. These Herods are very difficult to keep straight, and this presentation was very nicely done.
Hi Dr. Abramson. Could you explain why the royalty of the kingdom of Adiabene has a palace in Jerusalem and there relation to the Jewish state and the Herodians and Hasmoneans. Why there is another royal family living in Jerusalem aside from the Hasmoneans and Herodeans. Adiabene is a vassal of Parthia very weird for them to live in Jerusalem in Judea a Roman vassal.
good timing
Just worked out that way.
Dr. Abramson, how can I "join" the channel to see the members only videos? I keep looking for a "join" button, but I can't find it in the CZcams app or the browser.
Unfortunately, it's not available in all countries. You should see a "join" button on the top of the page of my channel.
Fascinating subject
Reminder set 😉
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thank you Sir, you are kind, homurous dan thorough. God bless you
Thanks for the kind words!
This was fascinating! I've heard elsewhere that Eusebius is very unreliable as a historian and may even have tampered with texts.
Tampering with texts is remarkably common in the ancient period.
Eusebius tampered with his own texts. He had to rewrite an already-published version of his Histories because it originally praised Licinius. Well, Licinius lost to Constantine, so oops!
@@HenryAbramsonPhD I see, thank you!
@@andrewsuryali8540thank you, I didn't know that. I've only started studying the early church this year and it's been a challenge trying to work out who is reliable and who isn't!
Hi Dr. Abramson. Could you explain why the royalty of the kingdom of Adiabene has a palace in Jerusalem and there relation to the Jewish state and the Herodians and Hasmoneans. Why there is another royal family living in Jerusalem aside from the Hasmoneans and Herodeans. Adiabene is a vassal of Parthia very weird for them to live in Jerusalem in Judea a Roman vassal.
...Lots of clarity on who may be who, and what may be what....We are so fortunate to have smart phone technology, to educate minds with better information.....This WiFi technology, is certainty a form of Mashiach....
How precisely can the political leadership described in Luke 3:1 be dated? It seems to align well with your summary of who governed which regions.
Not really up to the level of detail you're asking.
Before Watching:
Hello Dr. Abramsom...I found your discussion "Who was Paul of Tarsus"...very candid, refreshing and very informative...
looking forward to hearing your Jewish take on Yeshu ha Nozri
After Watching:..A Better explanation of the Histro-Political situation at the time of Jesus...then I've ever got in a Bible Class...
...I've decided I'm going to watch your whole series on Jewish history from the very beginning...
is the topic of Hasidim discussed somewhere on your channel?
Yes. Try this, and then poke around for specific biographies. czcams.com/video/3mjXHOP4R-A/video.html
@@HenryAbramsonPhD thank you
Thank you for all your very informative information on Jewish history.
I listen to alot of videos' on CZcams without having any difficulty with the sound volume. Your sound on this and many other of your video's is very low and difficult to hear on my Android tablet. It would be appreciated if the sound level could be increased
Thank you and may you be blessed in continuing you important Holy work
Thanks for the suggestion
Odd to see no comment on this text in Josephus about what happened after the crucifixion: "He appeared to them, spending a third day [sic] restored to life, for the prophets of God had foretold these things and a thousand other marvels about him." It's clearly visible in the video (time-mark 12:00), except for a few words which I looked up. Is it authentic or a forgery? Or, were we not supposed to notice that part?
Reb abramson is easily one of my favorite CZcams channels I love these history lectures
Enjoy in good health!
Hi Dr. Abramson. Could you explain why the royalty of the kingdom of Adiabene has a palace in Jerusalem and there relation to the Jewish state and the Herodians and Hasmoneans. Why there is another royal family living in Jerusalem aside from the Hasmoneans and Herodeans. Adiabene is a vassal of Parthia very weird for them to live in Jerusalem in Judea a Roman vassal.
Weird...Porcius Festus seems neither chubby nor jubilant in the Surikov painting. Maybe the name is meant to be ironic, like Little John, or Naomi, or Innocent III.
Ha, that’s actually funny!
@@HenryAbramsonPhD I updated my comment to take your lecture on Gersonides in 2017 into account. :-). Great lecture, BTW. Catching up with all the older material. The great thing about history as an avocation is that once you learn something, you almost never have to redo it. Well...maybe that's not true anymore, with revisionism in style.
I am glad you mentioned the apocryphal nature of the passage from Josephus mentioning Jesus to be the Messiah. Many Christians quote that passage as extra-Biblical evidence of Jesus’ divinity.
Well he was divine.
Hi Dr. Abramson. Could you explain why the royalty of the kingdom of Adiabene has a palace in Jerusalem and there relation to the Jewish state and the Herodians and Hasmoneans. Why there is another royal family living in Jerusalem aside from the Hasmoneans and Herodeans. Adiabene is a vassal of Parthia very weird for them to live in Jerusalem in Judea a Roman vassal.
Queen Helena converted to Judaism with her sons.
@@HenryAbramsonPhD thank you very much for sharing your wisdom. 🙏🙏🙏
Thank you, always enjoy your talks. Please consider a lecture on Jewish resistance against integration into the Roman religion. Rome was promoting the concept of Caesar as “god incarnate” from Augustus. How would an ancient Jew respond to a Roman who believed their emperor was a man that became a god? How would you convert a Roman to Judaism in a non violent way outside Christianity?
A lot of my further lectures will deal with this topic in one form or another.
@@HenryAbramsonPhD thank you!
Best Sir Mr Rabbi🌠✓ ..... Thank You, God Bless You Sir, ..... Cheerio.🌠👍👍👍🌠🌠🌟🌠🌠.
Most welcome
Hi Dr. Abramson. Could you explain why the royalty of the kingdom of Adiabene has a palace in Jerusalem and there relation to the Jewish state and the Herodians and Hasmoneans. Why there is another royal family living in Jerusalem aside from the Hasmoneans and Herodeans. Adiabene is a vassal of Parthia very weird for them to live in Jerusalem in Judea a Roman vassal.
Fantastic lecture! Thanks!
You're very welcome!
Some great information there - I have started listening to your videos regularly and I enjoy them very much, so thank you.
I read and listen to a lot of Christian theologians and historians and from my own background of Islam- I am a Muslim.
Challenging history and narrating things with a leaning toward one own biases is a common theme in all three religions. This a not a criticism, just human nature I guess. Such is the nature of recorded history that it can be selectively moulded. For some one like me whose day job is not a full time historian or scholar it can be conflicting.
History is my passion - so I thank you so much for a clear and precise telling. I do though, have a question which is outside this subject matter. This history is so well documented, how can it be that the Palestinians now claim Jesus as a Palestinian martyr. Bethlehem, a few kilometers from Jerusalem and the birthplace of Jesus was in the Provence of Judah as your map at 1:46 clearly shows. (I am fully aware that this issue has become the politics of today).
Best answered in another channel.
Hi Dr. Abramson. Could you explain why the royalty of the kingdom of Adiabene has a palace in Jerusalem and there relation to the Jewish state and the Herodians and Hasmoneans. Why there is another royal family living in Jerusalem aside from the Hasmoneans and Herodeans. Adiabene is a vassal of Parthia very weird for them to live in Jerusalem in Judea a Roman vassal.
He wasn't a Palestinian. There was were no Phyllistines in Judea!
If Yosuf ben Matityahu claimed Jesus to be the Messiah why didn't he convert like Saul of Tarsus? As follower and believer in the teachings of the old testament I am querying that passage in his writing. Shalom
A question asked by many Christian scholars.
Massalia/Marseilles hosted a Gallo-Greek speaking (Roman) Jewish community in the First Century, that eagerly welcomed Judeans. Miriam HaMagdalit being one.
Interesting
@@HenryAbramsonPhD : Indeed. There are even records of a 1st. Century Messianic community of Notzrim in Vienne. See 'Mishkan Journal' 2015.
Sorry that my comments and question to you below are so late in coming. I only just started watching this series, months after you posted your comment. I am not terribly well read on early Christian history, but I do know about this tradition of Mary Magdalene evangelizing Marseilles from my graduate studies in Middle English literature in the mid-1970's. Her legend can be found in numerous compilations of saints' lives, but the general scholarly consensus as I remember it was that many of the details of her life, as well those of the lives of the other saints in these medieval works, were highly elaborate fictionalizations designed to appeal to readers and listeners (some works were written as sermons) in much the same way that contemporary romances would have. When you read the legend of Mary Magdalene in the South English Legendary or the Legenda Aurea, you can often see elements of courtly romance filtering through in style and tone. So I'm curious to find out what information has come to light confirming that Mary Magdalene actually spent the last years of her life in south France as opposed to, let's say, the claim of Gregory of Tours that she retired to Ephesus in Asia Minor?
@@karnebo : to avoid needless conjecture, one would do well to weigh up the Magdalene traditions of both the Eastern and Western branches of Christendom and draw conclusions from there. Compatibility between
the two ought to steer the researcher to a safe harbor in identifying the Magdalene.
@@terrytzaneros8007 Thanks for responding. If I may quote Prof. Abramson - "Hmm." I'll leave it there.
Sounds like myself I refuse to do any census and have a distrust of the government.
Ha!
That was a tough tip-toe 😏
Check out the next video!
The keys, I believe, to understanding the makers of the scrolls is messianism, determinism and duality. While Rabbi Abramson talked about messianism, he did not mention that the writers believed everything is determined from above, your past, present and future. Also, the writers believed in duality. There was a force of good, or light, and a force for evil, and that there was a kind of time approaching when good would triumph over evil. In particular, this would occur by a war with the Romans. The writers had even sketched out how the war would go and would be won. If this was a common idea at the time, it would explain, in part, the revolt that occurred in Common era year 66. It would also go a long way toward explaining Rabbi Akiva's belief that Bar Kochba was the messiah and, therefore, that the Bar Kochba War would be won. It would also go a long way to explaining why some considered Jesus the messiah at the time.
Not a Rabbi, just a regular guy.
@Eli Parnez Jesus quoted from Lamentations when he said turn the other check. Leviticus says that your shall love your neighbor as yourself. And Jews have always paid their taxes.
@@HenryAbramsonPhD So what are your qualifications to discuss Jewish history?? Perhaps a PHD from some noted university??
@Eli Parnez I totally agree with you that letting someone hit you for no reason is suicidal. However, the quote from Lamentations exists. I don't agree with it, but there it is.
In "Josephus, the Essential Writings," Paul L. Maier (whom I once met) says that Professor Schlomo Pines of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem claimed in 1972 to have discovered a 10th century manuscript that may not have been subject to Christian interpolation. Maier says the language of the 10th century manuscript corresponds to what scholars had predicted the original manuscript likely read, suggesting that its lineage bypassed the interpolation. It says that Jesus "perhaps was the Messiah." While it states that Jesus appeared to his disciples after the crucifixion, it also does not say this occurred three days after His death as a fulfillment of prophesy.
Why 10th century when we already have the passage quoted in the 4th century?
@@HenryAbramsonPhD They're different, and Maier contends that the 10th century version more likely reflects the original text. It does not claim with certainty that Jesus was the Messiah, and it does not connect the resurrection with Biblical prophesy. The traditionally accepted version suggests that Josephus was a Christian, which he obviously was not. The 10th century version could have been written by someone who was not a Christian.
@Son of Elohim If "that document" is the 10th century version, then I'd say yes. If I understand him correctly, Maier's point is that the traditional version asserts that Jesus _was_ the Messiah, while the 10th century document admits this only as a possibility.
Hi Dr. Abramson. Could you explain why the royalty of the kingdom of Adiabene has a palace in Jerusalem and there relation to the Jewish state and the Herodians and Hasmoneans. Why there is another royal family living in Jerusalem aside from the Hasmoneans and Herodeans. Adiabene is a vassal of Parthia very weird for them to live in Jerusalem in Judea a Roman vassal.
The remarks from Josephus regarding Jesus are alleged to have been forged (an afterthought, a later addition) If we look at early prominent Christians, there is one ( I have forgotten his name) complained that Josephus did not mention Jesus in the book. The style of writing is not his
11:15 do you think this Egyptian is the same as it spoken of in the book of Acts?
Act 21:38 Are you not then the Egyptian, who before these days stirred up to sedition and led out into the wilderness the four thousand men of the Assassins (σικαριων)?”
Don't know, sorry.
At this time of viewing , the likes are at 153, a number found in the New Testament as an amount of large fish caught in a net of a boat Jesus was in, we could say coincidence, but a better term would be a "synchronous event"(Jung).
Lehitraot.
Hmm.
@@HenryAbramsonPhD Quite.
154 with my like, there's only one Psalm with that many verses, and they happen to come under the Resh portion of that particular Psalm.What took me to Psalms, it just popped up in my thoughts, and happens to be right in the middle of my Bible. I like your short lectures. Peace be with you.
Oh you Cabalists!!
@@veaudor Always liked maths, and am interested in "Synchronous events" Carl Jung. Some people say coincidence, but there is no such thing, everything is for a reason, all that is, and all that ever will be. It's not just some chance event.
"If indeed, he was a man" Amuseing story:
Two Disciples talking, one says to the other, "Have you noticed the Master leaves no mark in the dust when he walks?" The second one replies, "Yes, but I have been too afraid to speak of it."
I'm thinking maybe he was just really good at the kung fu rice paper thing :). Totally a poc re full story though.
Back in the 60’s, as a grad student in History at Temple University, I took an ancient history course with a professor who was finishing his PhD at Dropsie. He was also a brilliant linguist, able to read and write all the languages he dealt with including Sumerian cuneiform. He was also an ordained minister, I think Lutheran. He insisted that the passage you describe from Josephus regarding Jesus was a fabrication inserted by a Russian orthodox priest to give the appearance of a contemporary source as none really exist. I never followed up on this as my area of concentration was East Asia.
i think historians should rethink the dating of the death of herod the great. the astronomical data based on flavius josephus seems to point that he died between jan 10, 1bc and passover 1bc because the lunar eclipse was seen in judea that january. the arabic transcriptions of josephus also preserves the untampered reading regarding jesus of nazareth. it takes courage to accept occam's razor and accept josephus at face value
@@sefad1157 most ancient writers put herod's death around 1bc. i have more confidence from ancient sources than from some blow hard from the 1800s. their historical records would have been intact. especially if the sources were before the reign of aurelian. the tabularium would have been intact until the invasion of the huns
I'm reporting on the scholarly consensus. There is still room for debate on this specific question.
Jews for J type ad directed at Israelis, running on your lecture about Jews during the time if J. Anyway this can be stopped?
ps very much enjoy your series.
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Thumbs up from blah blah blah!
So one jew, whom you've based some historical knowledge calls another jew, Messiah, and you dismiss it as not his text and that someone else wrote it. I suppose the Romans were saying that Moses was merely coming back with a list for Chinese takeout from the burning bush.
Smooth talking Jew
I am surprised that you sir would even speak of Yeshua. Most Jews don't, unless it us to speak ill or completely deny his existence. Wow, what a day.
That was a common name in Hebrew like "John" ...The Yeshu mentioned in Talmud was long before your JC .
Besides you claim Talmud is evil and fake anyway..
Bizarre to now try to use as a proof text.
Your comment seem like you want some Jewish validation of Jesus Christ.
I'm proceeding chronologically. The biography of Jesus becomes very relevant to Jewish history as Christianity becomes a state religion.
Good stuff . Very interesting. I'm interested in the narrative that Jesus was in fact the son of Caesar and Cleopatra. His story and the Jesus story are very similar. The mention of a leader from Egypt in this lecture is a tiny fragment of corroborating evidence . Thanks.
Glad you found the lecture interesting.
Caesar and Ceopatra died 40ish years before Jesus's birth. Herod was a friend of Anthony but he opted to steer clear of Egypt in favor of gaining the trust if the incoming Emperor. The Egyptian was called Ha-Mitzri and is mentioned in Acts 21:28,
@@amyk6403 You mean the Jesus who was invented by the Romans in 325AD ? Christianity is an invention , and as such is a sequence of lies .
Jesus, bar kochba, and shabtai tzvi, etc.....and they all ended up 6 feet under!
What ever Jews think of Jesus, he was a remarkable man thru which the God of Abraham came to the Scotch-Irish.
Thanks for your contribution.
He talks about slow waking Caligula’s erection.
I think it's pronounced "Porshius" and not "Porckius"
Rabbi iam Nazaranic descent
Congratulations
Original shema : shema yisrael! Yahweh eloheinu Yahweh echad
Quran ikhlas(sincerity):Qul! HUWA ALLAH HU AHAD
YHWH is generally accepted by rabbi and Hebrew scholars as third person masculine English equivalent He is/Him as Arabic Huwa and irony is we are sincere enough to pronounce YHWH/huwa in Arabic as it is not replacing with other term like lord/adonai
If we remove hear o Israel and say(qul) it is like this
Yahweh elohenu Yahweh echad
Huwa Allah Hu ahad
This term has stopped being pronounced from 3rd century bce and being replaced by adonai(lord) when term Yhwh come they read adonai I was personally shocked by something that Quran say about Jesus when Jesus in 1 century have repeated the shema he should have used term lord and that's something I find quite interesting in Quran it says in quran
Surah 5:72 Surely, disbelievers are those who say, “Allah is the MasīH, son of Maryam” while the MasīH had said, “O children of Isrā’īl , worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.”
This verse describe what really the historical Jesus would have say like today's and 1 century shema where they say lord instead of Yahweh
I just learn about it after reflecting on Quran this is the reply to those who say Yhwh is not in Quran and it doesn't contain historical jesus
Thanks for your comment.
Quran opposite Bible
Mainly Judaism , Christianity
Quran Anti semantic religion, Quran opposite Torah
Jesus spoke probably Hebrew like Flavius Josephus.Hebrew was a living language.
More likely Aramaic (he is cited in Aramaic in the Gospels in a few places), probably read Hebrew.
Hi Dr. Abramson. Could you explain why the royalty of the kingdom of Adiabene has a palace in Jerusalem and there relation to the Jewish state and the Herodians and Hasmoneans. Why there is another royal family living in Jerusalem aside from the Hasmoneans and Herodeans. Adiabene is a vassal of Parthia very weird for them to live in Jerusalem in Judea a Roman vassal.
Roman church possessed Josephus for centuries. The original Josephus was in Aramaic no one has the original.
The earliest NT found are Koine Greek papyrus from 125ce on and are very different than the Christian bibles used today.
No Trinity etc.
Thanks for your observations.
Neither of Josephus' two famous books was originally written in Aramaic. The Jewish War was a propaganda piece for Vespasian written for the Roman audience originally in Greek with a later Aramaic version, while as far as we know Antiquities (where the Testimonium was found) came in Greek only. I mean, it's literally addressed to the Greeks.
The earliest NT found (Codex Sinaiticus) is dated to the 4th century, as it is also the earliest you could find a complete NT compilation. In previous centuries canonization had not been consolidated for the full collection of 27 books. You're instead talking about P52, which is just a tiny fragment of papyrus with a section of the Gospel of John inscribed on it. The few passages written on it do not display significant variation with the current version of the Gospel of John. Codex Sinaiticus DOES show significant variations with the modern versions of the NT, so that's where the confusion probably came from.
The Trinity was inserted into the NT in a single passage found in the Vulgate sometime before the 15th century.
@@andrewsuryali8540 Maybe look into Academic sources.
The original was in Aramaic.
Not Koine Greek or Latin.
The JC insertions are known to have been done much later by early church. As with the original Septuagint which 72 Rabbi s were forced to translate no one has the original Septuagint which were Bereshis to Devarim only (Torah).
That is a fast day of morning on Jewish calendar 8th of Tevet
Oxford and Caimbridge Universities are a good source.
Also the oldest New Testament scripture ever found are the Koine Greek papyrus from 125 CE to about 300 CE.
These are also in major academic institutions for veiwing.
Please get some sleep Rabbi !!
Not a Rabbi, just a regular guy. Sleep? Plenty of time to sleep later...
@@HenryAbramsonPhD Yes but you are a teacher ,and very good one at that. Todah
Woe..
What is he talking about truly?
All of this vast array of knowledge..
But..
Why haven't he told you the real true Greek and Latin meaning of JESUS which actually means "Hail Zeus" in original origin? 🤔🤓🤔 ..
Can you say Sol Invictus Mithra or even Serapis or even go back to the Mystery Religions of Babylon with Tammuz as a Immaculate Conception child ..
No 🍎🍎
Uh...for what it's worth, "Jesus" is a Latinization of the Hebrew name Yesho or Yeshua (related to Joshua), which relates to the root meaning of "salvation." Do I get two apples now?
Yea .. the latinization of a name from the very prople who stole, plagiarized in the hellenization of ..
But actually you deflected aptly from what is the real truth..
Yahusha Ha'Moshioch is the name of the true messiah..
JESUS means "HAIL ZEUS" .. and apples 🍎 are given freely..
Dr.Henry you are a wise man, and i think that you love Jesus Christ 😁 coz you are honestly telling the Truth
Josephus was absolutely right, Jesus was the Messiah.
Vrahovia
Google translate: Slovak for "murderers." I have some comments you might not enjoy regarding this in the next lecture (28. Jesus and the Jewish Community).
It is sad that misconceptions about Messianic Jews of the first century being different from other Jews, in culture or any other way, is propagated. It was a large movement of Jews (who are now described as Christians) who accepted the Jewish Messiah. this Messianic figure was described as more than a man or a king in the Jewish scriptures. These Jews (Christians) accepted the new status of their religion at the time. They could be considered more Jewish in tradition and ethnicity than anyone who is considered a Jew today just based on proximity alone. The next major Jewish religion to arrive centuries later, Orthodox Judaism, evolved from semblances of Judaism that was preserved after the first century AD.
I don't agree with your assessment, but I hope you found the video of use.
@@HenryAbramsonPhD Do you accept the scholarly consensus that the messianics at least of Qumran and their parent sect (the "Essenoids") did expect the coming of two messiahs, a priestly and a princely one?
@Eli Parnez That isn't what the discussion is about, though. The Qumran community seemed to have been struggling with the divergence between the normative messianic prophecy of the general Jewish population who were waiting for a human king from the house of David and the apocalyptic prophecy of books like Daniel, Enoch, and the Maccabees, that proposed the coming of "one who is like a son of man", which they interpreted to be a spiritual or divine being taking the form of a man. Their solution was to posit two messiahs, a spiritual being sent from the divine realm (the "priestly messiah") and a human prince born to the house of David (the "princely messiah").
@Eli Parnez Yes, and this is completely irrelevant. I was asking Dr. Abramson personally whether he accepts the scholarly interpretation of the Qumran materials which posits that the community was expecting two messiahs. That's it. Your continued ludicrous assertion goes entirely out of bounds of the discussion. Nobody CARES what you think a messiah means. The question is whether an orthodox Jewish historian would accept a specific interpretation of the variant belief of the Qumran community that the orthodoxy have insisted for milennia to be both wrong and nonexistent.
Shalom,
I do not agree when you say Christian Scriptures, These are Hebrew Scriptures which are not understood by the so called christians. I beleive that if there was not the Original writings then we would not have the New Testament.
Thanks for all the information.
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The Hebrew Scriptures are the Tanakh (Five Books of Moses, Prophets and Writings) as written (and understood) in Biblical Hebrew with a smattering of Aramaic. Whether you agree or disagree, the 1st century writings popularly known as the "Christian Scriptures" or "New Testament" were written in Koine Greek do not fall into this category.
@@bereldovid8179 Shalom,
You are missing the whole point, The People wio are in the New Covenant are ISRAELITES, the MASHIACH is from the Tribe of YAHUDA, His disciples were called Nazarenes.
The New Covenant is made qith the Hiuse of Israel and with the House of YAHUDA and nit with the christians, These are the people who reject the instructions (TORAH) of ELOHIM.
S'haul (Paul) was a Hebrew, he never claimed nor taught Christianity, He rather said in the Epistle to the Roman's 3:31 "RATHER WE ESTABLISH THE TORAH"
I hope you will understand my view.
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@UCjXJVFLcvuKkmUoDpIZRG9Q Shalom,
These christians make S'haul appear to be false and he is teachings against the TORAH, but no, he doesn't and is always for the TORAH, These christian pagans and heathens do not know the front of the book and so misinterpert these Hebrew Scriptures.
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@@pgloffshore This is why I appreciate Dr. Abramson's teaching. I have been learning from him for years. He respects history and primary sources. Too many read scripture, believe or don't believe and draw their own conclusions based on their previous (and mostly unchangeable) indoctrinations.
Glad you are having a useful discussion. Thanks @Berel Dovid for the kind words!
our present day incompetent ruler gets exiled to the south of Florida.
There's exile, and there's exile.
Talmud mans law not God law
The original Josephus passage about Jesus is preserved in an arabic manuscript, and it does not have the parts you mentioned that are problematic. Instead it is much more in alignment with the writing of Josephus, and it acknowledges the existence of Jesus and the beliefs of his followers.