The Tragedy of 'The Haunting of Bly Manor' | Explained
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There were SO many things I wasn't able to touch on in this because I don't think my channel is ready for hour long videos. Lots of ghosts, references to The Innocents, nods to Hill House, deeper looks at mental health issues but I hope you enjoyed this all the same.
Part Two? 😁
I would honestly be down for an hour long breakdown of these kinds of shows or movies, that are complex enough, and rich in lore. I am a big scaredy cat so I don’t watch horror shows/movies, but I love watching videos ABOUT them.
@@MarielaQue I second that
It's the first series in the decade that makes me want to speak about it for hours. It's THAT good.
I'm down for an hour long video on The Haunting of Bly Manor. I loved it so much I watched it a few times! The first time was all in a night. lol
"I know we can't technically get married, but I also don't really care" God DAMN that line hit me
like a u-haul truck
@@tom.447 like a popcorn.
Dani just out there summarizing lesbians throughout history
@@songbird6414 someone's never heard of a Boston marraige.
Lesbians were getting married all over the place, everyone just thought they weren't having sex. Then someone told and it stopped.
@@ErynnSchwellinger I mean yeah I just meant like there’s always been a general feeling of “oh the law says we can’t? Let’s do it anyway” lol
Literally on episode one when Hannah refused food me and my boyfriend said, in sync, “yeah, she’s dead” .
yesss this is what i thought but then i got confused
@Chair of Truth I’m saying that mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell, keep up.
@Chair of Truth I'm black and this comment is no where near racist. When I noticed she wasn't eating and almost always turned down dinner I knew something was wrong with her
@Chair of Truth 👁👃👁
👄
Same haha
Hannah’s time loop episode broke me. When Owen invites her to Paris and she belatedly responds back begging him to take her and he can’t hear her 😭
Yeah...I wept for her so much, I had a migraine the next day from crying so much over her and the ending (I binged the series) such an amazing series
Balling!!!
The Ugly Cry I did for this episode was brutal.
bly manor: ghosts, sadness and lesbian, my favourite genres altogether
ah, the three genders
@@memeju1ce HELP
@@rugma1696 i was trying to figure out how you got a “.” to appear on the side of my screen
it was a crumb, not your comment XD
I’m into watching lesbians too
@@lespantalons9254 this gives me mixed enrg
NOT ONLY did Peter kill Rebecca, he left her to drown, not knowing why or how she got there. She had to feel it.
What a coward
Someone in another video's comments sections was defending him because he was abused as a kid and I was like.... Shitty people can have sad pasts but it doesn't excuse murder of innocents???
She knew why, she was in on the plan. Here's her actual dialog: "You just left me to do it alone! This isn't what you said. It's not what I agreed." She wasn't pissed that she drowned, she was pissed that he bailed on her at the last minute and made her "do it alone".
@@misterkite I think the plan was that Peter would take over her body and live the two of them together in the same body, like Dani and Viola. He didn't tell her he was going to kill her.
I think he chickened out when he actually had to view his own rotting corpse at the bottom of the lake. Evil or not, that would shake someone.
Amanda: I don't think my channel is ready for hour long videos...
Everybody: Shut up and take my money...
Yes, please!
I dont care i love it
I’d be so up for one hour videos by this lady.
THIS!!!!
HEARTILY COSIGNED
You forgot to mention that when peter drowns rebecca, he leaves her body because he can't even feel the death for her cuz he's too chicken shit and actually lets her feel herself drowning and all that terrible pain. She still offered to save flora from it by possessing her body just before she was going to be killed
"too chicken shit" lkjgkjfkd i laughed and you're absolutely correct
I actually loved peters character. It did an amazing job at showing how events in our lives can turn us bitter and full of rage depending on how we respond, confront, or cope with these events. If we are never able to confront these painful experiences and instead build walls and instead refuse to face them, we become angry, hateful, jealous, scared, and distrustful of the world around us. We become shadows of who we were and who we could have been and those shadows eventually take control of our lives until our morals, decisions, and actions are corrupted
@@lunaballunabro, you got it. You know what's up. You have what it takes to look at life from another perspective.
Dont ever change. People like me need you.
Ive been saying it all this time. Peter has been molested, abused, used, etc... he had such a bad upbringing and never felt love or barely even knew what giving love is meant to be like.
And once he found that one person that he knew truely loved him for who he is, he was never going to give that up no matter the cost.
So yea despite what everyone says about Peter, I understand why he did the things he did.
dude when Hannah was stuck in her loops & her ‘memory’ of Owen says “something is *wrong* with Miles.” I genuinely got chills. it’s rare that just the dialogue of a scene gives me the heebie jeebies but that line got me
And omg when he looked directly into the camera and screamed miles’s name- i think that scared me more than any of the ghosts in the show i got serious chills
@@maiag6319 saaaaame here 🥲 . And every time she goes back to him . And he tells her yes we’re doing this again . Is scary . Imagine living in a loop for forever 🥺🥺 uh I just can’t
right?! the loops were totally frightening, really disorientating even though I've seen memory loops/ mushroom sambas/ eerie dream sequences done plenty of times before. Then just as it was about to get to 'aaagh ENOUGH ALREADY' territory, Owen CRUSHED my heart with that 'what a life we could have had'
i was just about to get upset at the memory (and the ending!!) when Amanda started singing 'better run run run...faster than Peter' and I KNOW i'm going to remember that and start cackling again tomorrow
those scenes with Owen made me realise Rahul Kholi would make a really good Doctor
Rahul and T'nia are SO FREAKING GOOD! Any less talented actors would've made that episode hard to get through with the repeating dialogue but the two of them just make it so delightfully tragic and believable... God, I love this cast!
Although Hill house was visually more horror-esque and "scarier", I actually liked Bly Manor more. I actually had a very vivid nightmare after watching like half of it about the lady in the lake, which is something that barely ever happens with horror movies/series for me. Also, I think it's more of a tragic love story than a ghost/horror story. The ending broke me but I was so happy that the lesbian relationship was kind of a focal point of the show, we don't have a lot of those.
Same, this show just hit me differently but hill house was also amazing
Yeah, I think most people who are used to Thrillers don't know that horror tends to have two sides. Ghost stories and gothic horror have kinda been outta style the last few decades but I was so glad for this throwback.
Definitely! Two very different stories and very different vibes but I truly loved both sm 🥺❤️
I honestly liked Hill House more because I thought they told the story better in that. Bly Manor kept interrupting its own story and pacing with things that didn't really seem like they mattered all that much to the overall story. It was nice to get backstory on the lake lady and most of the spirits that we saw throughout the show, but to have an entire episode focused on it right as the story reaches the most intense and climactic part? It would've felt like a slap in the face if I wasn't able to binge the whole show. Lol. And the whole thing kinda felt like a jumbled mess where story beats were just happening, too. The lake lady never felt like she was that important or significant until the very end. It felt like nothing was really happening until the last few episodes. It was a good kind of nothing, where it was enjoyable to watch the characters interact with each other and to learn more about the current circumstances surrounding them, but it was still a lot of nothing.
@@Croach193 honestly same , it has a lot of nothing ness in it and stories are jumbled together not making the story as a whole also the biggest part I was sad about was that this was meant to be horror but the situations presented weren't horrifying . While writing a horror your main concern should be " I want the reader ( or viewer ) to go in survival mode " and I think the bly manor failed on that since the main ghost ( the lake lady ) and the other ghost scattered in the house were all useless whilst yes the lake lady posed some danger but you literally just have to step away from her path like how hard is that??? And also that lake lady was introduced only at the climatic episodes which is just sad since she was the only one who posed any kind of danger. I also had many unanswered questions throughout the series , like why does flora's dolls so important in which she herself gets angry on Dani cuz she touched her dolls and said she had a " very specific system " for them and why was the lake lady always kept under the dresser ? Why was there one scene in which miles threw the dolls down the laundry drain ? Etc. I also was sad on the lost potential on the glasses ghost cuz that dude would have been very great in posing any type of danger . And I was sad on how just throwing the glasses in the bonfire made him perish . Like guy has such good trauma imagine being in love with a girl for more than 10 years and she just never tells him the truth like damn I would be mad if I were him and I found out by watching her kiss another girl like oof ! The show also had many other problems according to me and the potential was good but it was all wasted. I also hated the open ends in each episode 😒
Disney used to be my expectation of love and now it is finding someone who will condemn themselves to be a ghost haunted in eternal purgatory for me.
Oh my god just like carmilla
Also Jessel taking over Flora to make it so she doesn't feel the pain of drowning is a call back to what happens with Jessel when it comes to Peter because as Jessel points out during one point in Part 2 of two faces Peter left her body once she was trapped under the water and Jessel was left to feel the pain. Jessel knows how that death feels and she cares about Flora SO much that she is willing to in a sense relive her death to give Flora something that she didn't have.
Peter was a awful human being and ghost
the last episode really broke me. the scene where jamie finds dani in the lake and begs her to take her with her, and the voiceover saying "but dani wouldn't. dani would never." was so hard to watch, i was genuinely bawling
Yeah if you go into Bly expecting to be scared then you probably won’t enjoy it if you hold onto that idea. You come for the horror but stay for the story. In the end “it’s not a horror story, it’s a love story”
Nah, its just cringe.
“Same thing, really”
@@OWlsfordshire hilarious joke dude! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
If it was put as a romance then it still wouldve gotten the same complaints right?
I stopped watching it as soon as it was clear that it would be more of a love story
My absolute favorite thing about the show was Ms. Rebecca Jessel. When I read Turn of the Screw it seemed to me that she was simply tying to protect Flora, whereas a lot of interpretations make her more sinister, so I appreciated her goodness and the tragic romance they gave her. Also, her scene wailing by her body in the lake as she realized the man she loved betrayed and murdered her
Was the best in the show
That scene had me in tears
I think the scene of her wailing is that she betrayed herself.
I remember that. It was just sadness. Just so sad..she deserved more. Her life was just beginning.
@@sageadvice157 she just fell in love and found out too late whatkind of a man she fell. She still was a good person, until the end.
The other way that I took Peter getting stuck in his memory loop is because he is confronting his mother about letting his father abuse him and not realizing that what he wants to do to Miles and Flora is the same. His subconscious is trying to scream at him that he is becoming his father the person he hates the most because he took advantage of a child while telling him he cared about him and he is refusing to face it.
I like that interpretation! Incidentally, I was fascinated they chose that detail about Peter Quint's past, since there was no indication in this adaptation that he sexually abused the children while he was alive, whereas that is often assumed to be implicit in the Henry James text, and it is palpable in the Benjamin Britten/Myfanwy piper opera (the way he sings Miles's name with the celesta accompaniment is truly hair-raising).
The way he talked with the children was a very predatory/grooming type of way. "It's a game" "do you trust in me" that kind of thing. He manipulated these two kids that were so desperate to feel the love of their parents again. He knew what to say to get in the head of people, especially Miles, with whom he had a stronger bond with. A bond that he exploited. He forced Miles body to do and to act in ways that would be favorable only to him.
Of course Dani and Jamie's love story was touching and heartbreaking, but nobody's talking about Owen and Hannah's love 🥺 Hannah's flashbacks about her regretting not telling Owen how she felt were so sad 💔
I agree with you but I know why. They’re people of color and the fandom is very white…
And him keeping her picture on the wall! For years!!!! Their story really stuck with me a lot more, maybe because it's the ultimate unrealized love - when Hannah realizes she loves Owen and he loves her, it's already too late, there's nothing either of them can do. It's gut-wrenching. And Rahul and T'nia are wonderful in their roles, you can feel every line they deliver.
I really loved the warmth of their relationship and how subtly it was conveyed. And they *won't* always have Paris, because Owen doesn't hear Hannah say she'll go with him. 😭 (And she's not actually alive at that point.)
That broke me when he couldn’t hear her finally agreeing to go to Paris with him 💔 Hannah was actually my favourite and T'nia Miller is everything
I can't believe I watched the entire show and never once spotted any of those ghosts in the background. That reveal that it's the faceless boy moving the dolls around the dollhouse makes SO MUCH sense, before I just thought that it was a haunted dollhouse and was a bit confused but didn't question it
Watching this after watching Hill House my husband and I were like "THERE"S A GHOST!!!" "Oh damn, nope that's just a coat hanger, nevermind."
I never seen the hidden-background-ghosts in both Hill House and Bly orz. Even sometimes when people show a screenshot I'm like, "???????" . ... it's mildly depressing.
this show is such a fantastic meditation on abusive, possessive cycles and how difficult is it to break them and it. definitely broke ME and one thing which really struck me about the ending was the implication, not that dani was finally returning to jamie as a ghost, but that she'd been there all along and, unlike the other ghosts, hadn't forgotten herself or remained trapped at bly manor. jamie was looking for dani in all the places dani had found viola or edmund - in reflections - but dani wasn't going to haunt jamie the way edmund had haunted her, showing up in the mirror or weighing down on jamie's sense of self. instead, she was going to be a quiet presence at her shoulder, never fully in view but always watching over her and supporting her. it's a beautiful visual metaphor for being smothered by your grief vs carrying the memory of lost loved ones with you. yes i might be crying again what about it
That is such a beautiful insightful interpretation I love that so much ❤️❤️
Please!!! You're making me cry even more!!! But yes, truly beautifully put and it makes complete sense, especially with how Dani had experienced those hauntings. She definitely wouldn't wish that upon Jamie.
Agreed, violas possessiveness made her entire family miserable in life and then in death she continued to drag more people down with her
It's been a year and i still get tears with the passing thought of Jamie and Dani's, or the characters of bly as a whole. Remembrance is evil. 😞😞
Your beautifully articulated commentary brought a burst of tears to my eyes! Thank you! Gosh, so beautiful!♥️🙏🏼🙌🏼💯🌟
Hannah’s episode broke me in a way I haven’t felt since I was studying philosophy. It was just so unfair and the “well, everything else is just...” line was the tipping point. Bly Manor was an unsettling horror that seeped into your bones instead of shocking them. I genuinely loved it so much.
Such a great way to describe both stories. I couldn't have said it any better...
I like how the series has several gray shade characters like Viola, whom you initially admire for her gumption and determination but later realise she is holding on to something that will not stand the test of time, Perdita who seems like an innocent victim during her sister's illness but who later reveals herself to be insecure and a slave to her lifestyle.
Peter who faced abuse in his childhood but who manipulates and lies to get what he wants, even after he dies. His treatment of Rebecca, his unscrupulous methods and his willingness to sacrifice Miles and Flora just so he could escape Bly Manor was terrible and there really is no other word for it.
Another thing I noticed is that Jamie, the gardener stands out amongst the characters as someone who is fully able to resist the death and darkness of Bly Manor, she tries to help both Rebecca and Dani move past their grief and guilt, she plants moonflowers even if they only bloom once and even her profession is symbolic of life and in turn, hope. The ending was a beautiful recall to her dialogue about people and how very rarely does one person come along who is truly worth the effort.
-"The ghosts can force themselves onto other people, which is why Miles has been acting so weird, the pervy dude is inside him!"
Yikes.
PHRASING
*FBI OPEN UP*
... eye-
On top of all the horrible shit he did, don’t forget Peter also perved on Dani while he was possessing Miles.
The Haunting of Bly Manor has the perfect amount of romance and horror. I haven't been as smitten with a love story since I saw Titanic when I was 6yo.
YEAH I MADE THE SAME COMPARISON
The drowning scene was so sad, i think it actually broke me
and the part where Jamie left all alone after the party leaving the door open, hoping she'd comeback. :(((
Everything about the lake is SO SAD. Peter leaving beca drown, lady in the lake/viola getting thrown out of the lake and takes people with her, and then jamie coming for dani :((((((((( i hate that lake so bad
@@SaRENRampaiger that one totally kills me because I definitely think she does that at home too and has every day since Dani left, and I can't bear the thought 😭😭
God this story is so tragic, I watched it once and I truly can't do it ever again
SAME
While you didn't like the pet name "Poppins," I hated it when Peter called Rebecca "Becks." I can't explain why, but it was like fingernails on a chalkboard every time he said it.
yeah beck definitely don't deserve that.
I thought poppins was kinda cute tho..agree with becks, I dont know why but it seems so..aggresive the way he says it, so demanding instead of the loving cheery tone of "poppins". I love this series so much along with hill house but im starved for representation so I guess i have a slight bias lol
@@alekya3849 The way he uses "Becks" as a pet name sounds possessive, commanding and manipulative - it doesn't sound like a name born out of affection but rather a tool to be created and used to control Rebecca.
Peter never loved her.
@@Elysion404 yess thats so true! I just feel so goddamn bad for Rebecca, shes so sweet ajskalskal
@@alekya3849 Tbh every time Peter opened his mouth I wanted to high five him with a chair.
My GOD he's such an intolerable asshole.
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They do have the sweatshirt in a few sizes!
Both Hill House and Bly Manor had me sobbing on the floor. “I shall believe” always makes me cry anyway because of original series Roswell, and now even more so. Hannah and Owen deserved better, but I was happy he got to have his restaurant because he was a Gem. Dani and Jamie’s story was beautiful and seeing Dani’s hand...like I said, on the floor sobbing. I have to say, I was creeped out when Perdita was behind Flora, then burst out laughing when she shushed it.
That song killa.me.for the same reason! But it's use here was.... perfection!
My mom started playing the song after we binged it and I had to run into my room to stop from crying lmao
From watching positive and negative reviews of Bly, I’ve come to realize some people never took the time to fully understand it, and were just looking for a sequel to Hill House, which it isn’t. This show will age well and time will validate that it was really extraordinary. Loved it.
I agree. Also, I've noticed that American audiences tend to not do well with romantic tragedy or not having a happy ending tied up with a bow.
The ending of Bly Manor destroyed me. I cried like a baby and couldn't get it put of my head for days. Truly a beautiful story.
I just finished the series, and this is literally where I’m at right now. Don’t see myself forgetting this story anytime soon
When Hannah realizes that she’s dead....and that creepy Miles says “Beep Beep”. Crushed me😢😢 Her reaction had me in tears. I loved her character so much!
Same. I adored her.
I still refuse to believe that Hannah is dead! My heart can't take it!😭😭😭
Her and Owen deserved so much better than they got. A lot of characters did.
I loved Hannah so much too… I’m happy other people felt that way too!
I was generally enraged when Quint-possessed-Miles did his "Meep meep." Comparing someone to Wile E. Coyote is a really blow - especially what with him being her murderer and all. All I can say is, "Peter Quint, you devil!" (Of course, in the James novella, "you devil" could just as well be aimed at the Governess, but shhhhh.)
Peter Quint walked so that Christian Grey could run
😂
Peter Quint ran* so Christian Grey could walk*. Christian has nothing on this dude’s creepiness 😂
If you liked his performance here, look at his character in The Invisible Man. He’s even more creepy and terrifying in that
No he walked so Adrian Griffin could run.
50 shades is a best seller tho. So you may all say how you dont like creeps but you read books and watch movies about them lol.
The last episode had me ugly crying. I had watched it over a few weeks and forgotten that Carla Gugino was the "narrator" and when she came up after all the heart wrenching stuff, the emotion that I still had for her character in Hill House just piled on top of that. I love the way how the characters get their "ever after" but it's never actually a "happily ever after". Life doesn't wrap itself up in a neat little bow, its messy, its haunting and its filled with eventual loss and they capture that perfectly.
Dani saying she can’t feel anything - Girl, we felt everything. And we haven’t recovered since.
Jamie/Dani and Owen/Hannah definitely deserved happier endings! 💘😭
Jamie and Dani, as depressing as it is, got the best ending and the most time together.. until it gets to the Dani forever in her own purgatory omg I'm going to CRY AGAIN
@@AmandaTheJedi don't worry they are together again at the ending
Especially Owen and Hannah. Jamie and Dani at least got to share a life together. Owen and Hannah never had that chance.
Yeah Owen and Hannah... sigh, I still think Dani and Jamie had a worse ending, because Dani was condemned to stay in that Manor forever.
At least Dani/Jamie had a lot of years together Hannah and Owen never got the chance to be together at all💔
I can see Amanda's eyes and nose getting a slight pink/red. Emotions.
😫
Her voice started cracking at some points too. XD
Hannah and Owen broke me. I liked their characters the most, it was so sad.
This is the type of ghost story I love: Atmosphere over gore. How hauntings are more than just ghosts, they're lingering regrets and feelings. That holding on to grudges, or resentment, or rage is what creates a horrible black hole of regret. The ambiguity around Edmund is particularly brillaint. Personally I don't think it's his actual spirit, but it's not just in Dani's head either. I believe he was literally created from her guilt. As much as he was angry at the moment of his death, I don't believe he'd weigh her down like that. So while you could argue her burning his glasses was an exorcism, it's likely more specifically her making a choice to not be weighed anymore.
I feel like they totally underused the plague doctor ghost
They underused most of their ghosts, except Peter, Rebecca and *Hannah.
@@AmbyJeans the Hannah twist was pretty good though
I think some of the slow parts could've been replaced by some moments from these ghosts. It would've given it a more Hill House-esque touch.
@@unclefilthy848
It was great, but so heartbreaking 💔
@@AmbyJeans I know right! Poor Owen
god bly manor was so good. also when jamie and danni kept having those Moments i was like... is this happening? am i imagining this or is this happening or???? and then it happened and i ;.;
edit: oh no im crying again
Gazi when Jamie said to dani tha she would like to see her with Owen I remember thinking "nah they don't share that much chemistry I mean in comparison you both look more cute together
WAIT A MINUTE-"
Fr when Jamie helps calm Dani down I was like oop do I sense something here?? And then looking bad how Jamie mentions “all the women in town love him” about Owen, kinda giving Dani an inquisitive side eye imo 👀
When Jamie walked in and Dani felt like she knew her I had a feeling but I didn't think it would happen!
Lmao the irony of that scene always hits me it’s Jamie asking a man’s opinion of her future wife when that man’s real love interest is sitting right there (but like dead)
SAME OH MY GOD. I am so used to reading to much into things/queerbaiting that I was so happily surprised when it actually happened I just started sobbing.
I feel like this and Crimson Peak are some of the closest to genuine gothic romances that we'll ever see put to screen. It's a genre that's one of my favorites because of how honest it is about the pain and loss that can come with real love. Bly Manor also did an excellent job of showing how a controlling person can manipulate that love into something terrifyingly unhealthy, something I've experienced myself but have been able to learn from. I now have a real, genuine love that, barring something I can't imagine, I think will likely last for my entire life, whether the person is there for all of it or I'm just left with memories at some point; Dani and Jamie feel like an excellent representation of what's possible with non-possessive, deep love for another.
Do not forget The Others
I think the last words Hannah speaks when she says ‘and the rest is just...’ is a Shakespeare quote that says ‘and the rest is just silence’. Although a throwback to hill house would have been cool too
Peter’s role in this show was really well done. He’s so much more than just some evil guy like he is in other adaptations. He’s still a shitbag, no doubt, and no backstory justifies what he did but at the same time, you can see the pain that led to where he is now, abused by his dad and neglected and robbed by his mom. He’s not just a flat out evil character, he’s a complicated evil character who has layers. And in his final scene with Miles in episode 7, you can see his humanity poking through - like who he might’ve been if not for his parents. When he tells Miles “I wish I could be that rich,” he’s being genuine. But he’s too far gone, consumed by his own fear of being alone and because of that fear, he commits selfish, horrible actions like killing Rebecca and Hannah. And you can tell that he knows his actions are wrong but it’s too late to change himself. This is most obvious when he’s tucked away and his mother tells him “where else would you go?” when he calls the memory hell. That scene reads like some insult or burn until you realize that that’s not really his mother saying that, it’s his own self conscious. His own self conscious is telling him how far he’s fallen. That’s why I was kinda sad he didn’t do much in the finale.
You're so right, Peter is a fascinating villian.
like an onion 🧅
@@Angelica_h023 I literally opened my message saying that no backstory could justify what he did. And later, I even explicitly said he was too far gone. I’m not sympathizing with the abuser, I’m empathizing with him. I’m not saying I think his actions were redeemable, just that I understand what made him the way he was. Abusers are often products of not just their own actions but also the world they grew up in. And this show did a great job portraying that. The reason I’m sad the finale didn’t have more of him isn’t because I thought he was redeemable but rather because he’s an interesting character, villain or not. Villains often are the most interesting characters. And there’s nothing wrong with wanting to see more of an interesting character. Miles and Rebecca were right to feel betrayed, I wasn’t trying to dispute that.
Yeah but he’s still evil and gets no sympathy
@@Angelica_h023 sympathizing with him makes us more human than he is.
One step away from a u-haul here.
Best casual slipping in a lesbian joke
I was dying! 🤣
I caught that too!
I don’t get it. Explanation, please?
@@archer1949 search u-haul lesbian. It's a joke about lesbians who move in with a new partner super fast. (Because once you find someone you like and likes you back, why waste time and not see how building a life together could work)
Briar Papa
Ah I understand. I had no idea that was a thing. Thank you.
And yes, I can see how that could apply to the development of Dani and Jamie’s relationship, especially at the beginning. But it seemed to me that the entire series had weird and choppy pacing issues throughout the run.
Nevertheless, the central love story here was built up enough for me, who usually dismisses most on screen Romance plot lines as manipulative and contrived, to get pretty misty in that gut punch of an ending. So it worked out in the end.
Both Bly Manor and Hill House had me a sobbing mess. Hill House came out right when I was leaving my ex-husband who gaslighted me and cheated on me for years. It gave me the motivation to leave. Bly Manor came out after I was settled in my apartment and feeling lonely. Helped me understand tragedy and heartbreak doesn't always mean you'll be alone.
Both shows mean so much to me.
Thank you for sharing your story. I’m glad you could get yourself out of that situation, and I hope you are doing well.
Tbh I always end the final episode when Dani and Jamie are in bed together, closing off with the narrator telling me Dani finally felt peace.
That is the canon ending for me and I refuse to accept anything else.
You cannot make me.
It’s like that tik tok trend where they close the laptop at the better point like “this was such a nice movie, so glad everyone is happy” liiiiike
@@JosefinaQB Exactly! I do the same thing with books if they have a sucky ending.
The first thing that came to my mind when I saw the hand wearing the ring at the end on Jamie's shoulder was "Jamie is dying and Dani is there to welcome her", but then I changed my mind. I had like three more theories about the meaning of that final scene but none of them involved being Jamie's imagination. We know Dani's act of pure love and selflessness broke Viola's curse, and that gave the ghosts the freedom to passed on and rest in peace (or in hell, according to their actions). I think Dani earned her own freedom and she chose what to do with it after her death. She chose staying by Jamie's side and look out for her in a way. She just wanted Jamie to be happy and move on without her. That's why, in my opinion, Jamie got one thing wrong. Dani will never forget about Jamie and their life together cause she chose love over possession, and they will meet again in the afterlife.
Excellent video but I don't know why I keep torturing myself with Bly Manor. I'm trying to get over the pain 😭
If Dani’s hand is on Jamie’s shoulder, and we loop back to episode 1 where she sees the lady of the lake, is it possible that Jamie is tucked away into her memories? Been thinking about that for months. 🤷🏻♀️
I see the one thing that Jamie got wrong was the fact that she thought that Dani was forever trapped at Bly. I believe she kind of assumed Dani’s soul was trapped down there and the little things we see her doing afterwards(looking for reflections and leaving the fucking door open like an idiot😂) were more her hoping against hope that she’d see her love again more than any sure knowledge that, yes, Dani was there. I also believe the reason that Dani didn’t make her own presence known in all those years was tied back to that whole “love vs possession”. By remaining unseen, Dani was letting Jamie go in a way, leaving her open to move on and live her life on her own. It ended up being fully Jamie’s choice to just wait for her end instead.
These two have my heart, if you can’t tell😂
@@songbird6414 YES i think the hand on the shoulder absolutely was meant to mean Jamie was wrong. She wasn’t condemned to a purgatory. Also is comforting that the actor for Jamie, Amelia Eve, said Dani and Jamie would reunite in the afterlife :,)
Hello. I came here to cry
This is the one show I wish I could watch for the first time again. The aspects of guilt for being strung along into a straight romance that doesn’t fit hit so close to home and is such an underrepresented truth of being gay in a heteronormative world. Absolutely beautiful and am so glad it exists.
It was very well done, and especially poignant since Eddie was clearly a very dear person to her who had absolutely zero understanding of what she was going through.
I cried like a baby watching the show and shed a few tears watching this video as well. For me personally, I see Dani's story as a chilling reminder of how deadly e.g. depression and PTSD are. Not all of us make it, no matter how hard we try.
Bly wasn't as scary but the mindfuckery and psychology was awesome. I struggled with sleeping after both lol.
I always loved when someone said the children were leaving muddy footprints but never realising that CHILD FOOT NOT THAT BIG
Bly Manor has my whole heart. I'm actually rewatching it right now. It is truly something special. Hannah Grosse is one of my favorite characters from anything and her episode just wrecks me.....she was completely robbed of a life that she never truly lived...I tend to go into every new show or movie without expectations so I can enjoy the art for what it is so I was never disappointed with this.
I love the talk Flora has about loving her husband so much that she's afraid of a future without him. When she said that my first thought was that you should never be haunted by those thoughts, especially before your wedding. I also love Jamie's line about needing to focus on the present happiness, and how she describes how when you lose a loved one it may never get easier. Thought that small things will make you remember them, and that all sorts of feelings will spring from those memories really hit me.
(Yes I'm super late to the party) I just finished the show and when Flora said that line it hit me hard. I'm about to get married myself and have this thought on the regular and her delivery was just so raw. I was real impressed that I didn't cry but oh my god she spoke some truth. I have rarely felt so seen and related so much in such a short time. Perfection.
Hill House was definitely scarier, but Bly told a better story and was very tragic. Great video! (Almost halfway and you're doing a wonderful job)
I think Hill House told a way better story tbh but I loved both
I also think that Hill House has better pace/ story telling throughout but doesn't stick the landing (kinda ruined it for me tbh) while Bly Manor has a bit of a pacing problem but the ending is just everything, it brings everything together so beautifully. I definitely see myself rewatching Bly before Hill
Hill House had a better original text, but I didn't hate this season even though it was a little slow. That eighth episode was something else, my favorite of the season! So beautifully tragic
@@chelliebear4 I don’t know why everyone had such a big issue with the Hill House ending, I loved it
@@Echoingdolphin
Lol to me for the mood and tone they were setting it was waay to over the top and happy sappy, even with the possibility hinted at the end that they all actually were victims at the end of the house.
2020 is a beautiful combination of "this year is scary enough, why would I watch a scary movie" and "I'd like to watch a horror movie so I can actually feel something"
I hated horror before this year, and I literally watched this and Scream just so I could feel some adrenaline and emotions lol I would literally rather feel scared than feel nothing
Jesus fucking Christ you put it into words
Holy shit, this is it.
Ms. Jessel offered to possess flora one last time so flora wouldn't feel herself drowning. she was willing to go through the pain again, when Peter couldn't do that for her when he sent her to drown, and I think that's the saddest part of Rebecca's story, she truly loved those kids
I am continuously astounded by the way Mike Flanagan adapts horror stories and how it's not just "ohhhh spooky and jump scares" but how he seems to innately understand the emotional truth of horror and of life.
This show was depressing but bittersweet
The ending hit the very specific trope that ALWAYS makes me cry. And dear God did I bawl my eyes out.
Same, even hearing Amanda talk about the ending got me crying
I was a sloppy mess for a good half hour
Same I sobbed so hard
Same 😂
Doomed love hits us all that way I think.
Loved the Moon flower scene, didn't feel drawn out at all, but a raw, desperate, baring of the soul.
Also loved Jamie calling Dani Poppins. So cute.
I think dani putting her hand on jamie's shoulder at the end in a similar way that edmund did with her kinda brings the possession vs selflessness thing full circle, it's the same idea but two different tones
Especially because Dani chooses not to reveal herself to Jamie, even when Jamie seems to be inviting her to do so. Dani is simply there, watching, but never interfering with Jamie's life, never really haunting her like Edmund did. Edmund didn't leave her alone after death, so she grants Jamie the peace of living in the present instead of hanging in dark corners with a ghost of her past.
I love hill house and I loved bly manor both are great in their perspective genres. I don’t think they should be compared. Plus lesbians so 🤷🏽♀️
hill house also had lesbians lol
@@ahanaaa2704 oh yeah I forgot. The sister who wore the gloves right? I haven’t watched Jill house since it came out
@@haileybrightful9193 yeah the one played by kate siegel
This is the only valid opinion haha
Hold up, I didn't realize this earlier, but THE GROOM AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SERIES IS GREG SESTERO AKA MARK FROM THE ROOM?!
It is indeed
pragya ch HAHAHAHAHA
Oh hi Mark
the gasp i made was phenomenal
Yes.
This show ruined me. I didn't even realize it was a love story before I was totally invested and they pulled the rug out from under me. I finished it, rewatched the last 30 minutes, then watched every breakdown I could find. I cried for like 4 hours straight.
Girl i have yet to meet someone that wasn't a mess at the end of the show! That said, Jamie's monologue about the moon flower wasn't part of the script at the beginning, Amelia Eve came up with the backstory on Jamie as many actors do when they are developing a character and Mike Flanagan loved it so they found a way to make it part of the story, i think it was necesary for us to get a glimpse on Jamie's point of view since she doesn't appear in many of the scenes. Also for the last episode the writer in charge was a lesbian that was a fan of "Imagine Me & You", hence all the references that many in the community could recognise, but what was great about this is that in the writters room and even the director listened and took seriously her point of view of what a lesbian couple would have grow and act together, specially in the time when the story is happening.
Bly Manor was just as good as Hill House, but you have to go into Bly Manor not thinking of it as a horror genre but a love story with ghosts. The characters were perfectly splendid and brilliantly portrayed by their actors.
!! exactly
I can't imagine how different the show would have been if they had of gone with the original plan of having Oliver Jackson-Cohen play Jamie, Like not having Dani's arc with her own feelings about being gay and having to break up with the person she has been with and even loved as a friend for a decade I just don't know how it would have hit, and I think would have been thematically worse because of it. Thank god for Netflix deciding that people who just played twins should not play lovers.
I thought it was Oliver Jackson-Cohen himself that made the decision not to play Jamie?
@@mvn2106 I had heard it was people at Netflix but either are possible really
Other than the cringe-factor of watching two actors that just played siblings in the previous series now playing lovers, I think if OJC played Jamie they would have to do either one of the two:
- make Dani straight, meaning they would have to either re-work or entirely scrap her backstory with her fiance, but that one worked very well precisely because she was not at all into guys, and it had nothing to do with him, which is why she felt so bad for his death
- keep Dani gay, but then scrap the whole love story between her and Jamie; there was already one couple with unfulfilled potential, that of Mrs Grose and Owen, although they did not get together for different reasons; they could also make Dani bi, but then the background story would not be as poignant (the reason she could not ever be with her fiance was that she was not at all into dudes, and treated him purely as a platonic friend)
And I also think OJC was absolutely brilliant as a douchebag, so in addition to making a good call on how to lay the plot out, we really got to see a brilliant performance from him.
@@michawozniak5955 I love the phrasing "absolutely brilliant as a douchebag" 😂 And you are right, he was incredible. It takes a lot of talent to portray unlikeable (or just plain evil) characters so well that you as a watcher just want to slap that person the second they walk through the door.
And I couldn't agree more with your points, having a male Jamie would totally take away the background for Dani. And I'm not saying that just because I wanna see a lesbian romance - the fact that she was gay was so crucial to Dani's whole character arc that removing it would completely destroy the whole point.
The final episode had me sobbing. I loved this one as much as the first series, and I loved the monologues and imagery. In my opinion this series is art
This show killed me. I was watching it like, "I came for spooks, I did not expect tears."
Mike Flanagan is quickly becoming one of my favorite filmmakers. I’ve been following him since Oculus and has been batting .1000 in my book.
I loved doctor sleep sooo much and it was completely slept on for some reason
Wait he did Oculus?
I love this movie.
Maybe this explains why I was able to watch Bly. Normally I’m very sensitive for horror, but Oculus and Bly were watchable for me.
Ooooh Oculus was him as well? daamn boi
i know him from the Movie Before I Wake and he's really good
That one episode with the housekeeper was SO TRIPPY! That hour felt like 5 hours, I was all so confused and intrigued... But also kinda car sick and dizzy?
It really made me sad for her when she found out she had passed and dang ... She was one of my favorites. Along with the cool chief guy... What a cutie.
I really hated the river lady, like I wanted to just throw hands when she was dragging the main character and then when she took the little girl, I was a few steps from jumping into the TV and just fighting her.
I really liked the show, I wanna watch it again and get more details on the whole show.
This series is so good. Just as good as Hill House in my opinion. These types of series are the ones I love, they’re dark, sad, there’s multiple meanings and they leave you thinking and questioning what you’re watching. Just brilliant.
God bly manor broke me! I was sobbing at the end of the show for a good hour just digesting the ending and then going through all the stories of each character
Victoria pedretti needs to get a happy ending in season 3.
Season three of you?
@@monkeybread5267 nope, season 3 of the "the haunting of" series
Yes. Our girl needs a happy ending.
@@christiannightshade5886 wait, will there be a season 3?i really hope so
@@aeonbssydsryer8041 probably, it's almost as popular as american horror story at this point
Almost 3 years later, and I’m still patiently waiting for Amanda to do Haunting of Hill House 😂
I took the ending to mean that even after all those years Dani never forgot her wife like viola and the rest of blys ghosts previously. And through love Hannah was able to move on and live in the memory of love through the man who loved her and likewise for Dani with Jamie. I think through her sacrifice she took over the haunt but was so loving and not angry like viola that she remembered jamie. Her love was stronger than violas hate.
the ending ALSO killed me. I cried at the end of Bly Manor man
Also when I was watching I thought that Quill was purposely looking for things to lash out at Rebecca. He had that calculated look on his face. I don't believe he was actually upset she was tasting that cake mix. He's deliberately manipulative and he never had genuine feelings towards her. I believe those mood swings were a part of him 'grooming' her. Like he started with small things and then began 'snowballing' his manipulative behavior. Idk if that makes sense.
You're right, but I do think he had genuine feelings for her, just didn't know how to express them, and how to act because of his abusive childhood.
A number of people stay in abusive situations because they tell themselves that their partners love them but don't know how to show it. At the end of the day, his feelings are irrelevant when measured against his actions towards her. Even arguing about the validity of his emotions in the wake of his behavior ties into that pattern of justification.
From my understanding, there's lots of ways to interpret his character, but I agree that there's a few points where I'm really not sure he was actually planning to come back and get her. I think it's quite possible he would have actually ran away.
*Quint
Peter Quill is Star Lord
To me it seemed he would bailed Rebecca if he didnt die
But them in death he is so scared of being alone and everything that he became emotional dependent on Rebecca
I really appreciate these because I have complex PTSD and can't watch a lot of horror movies because of the psychological concepts even though I used to love them and you explain them really well without it being as scarily impactful as watching the show or movie. Thanks for that. It looks like a really good show, but this will have to do ;)
I love this show so much. I watched it when I was alone at home thinking that I'll be sitting my pants and it did scare me but it also made me cry like a baby. They approached the whole ghost/horror genre was such a different perspective! I want to watch it again but I know it'll break me again 💔
Hill House may have been a better overall season, with some amazing episodes and brilliant scares.
But I connected more with the characters in Bly. With Hill House, I mostly cared for just Theo, Nell and Luke, but Bly? Oh boy. Dani, Jamie, Owen, Hannah, Flora, Rebecca - I loved all of them and felt for them.
I felt more emotion throughout that season. I still can't watch the final episode without crying, it is that impactful to me.
So I hate when people compare the two. They are completely different, and should be viewed as such. Don't compare, but appreciate their differences. Both are great seasons of TV.
The movie Shirley is not based on Shirley Jackson's life. Its based on a work of fiction that has Shirley Jackson as a character in the story.
Yes
@@AmandaTheJedi out of curiosity when is ur next the stream?
After mastering the art of 'jump scares' in Hill House, Flanagan didn't need to repeat it. Bly Manor, is more about the enveloping haunting that's its ghosts must endure. Myself, I was at first disappointed in not seeing a new version of Hill House, but by the end of the series I felt a different type of horror, not passing scares but of eternal loss.
I straight up cried almost nonstop the last 20 minutes of the last episode. You were on the money about it being an emotional gut punch. I literally just cried again watching you discuss it. Bly Manor devastated me 10/10 would highly recommend.
Bly manor shattered my heart into a million pieces this hit me way harder then hill house
Really?
Let's face it, Viola is a Karen. Killing an innocent essential worker at the time of an epidemic, feeling entitled to revenge, ruining the life of an innocent lesbian couple... The list goes on.
Ed is a simp and Peter is a Chad.
🤣
That's kind of a watering down of a complex story.
@@diy_cat9817 yep, that's the intention, watering down a complex story as a joke
@@diy_cat9817 That's how we cope
i watched Bly Manor before Hill House and didn't have the expectations of a really scary story, so I ended up loving every moment of it. i did expect to watch horror but ended up crying my eyes out towards the end. 15/10 for me, absolutely
Had to pause halfway through to say this interpretation of Altar of the Dead is AMAZING I'm close to tears, it's one of my favourite stories from the period and they've used it beautifully. James would be proud
There were many onion cutting ninjas when I watched the last episode.
😂😫
They really hit it out of the park with the cast from Hill House and Bly Manor. They just got this group of actors who are so stunning together.
The ending with Danny waiting for the catastrophe, really touched me, my husband has MS and every day we try to live in the moment and not think about what could happen, still having that thought in the back of our minds that every day could be the end of our live like we know it now
I really like this adaptation.
Bit of a spoiler: In the original bly manor novel i think Miles dies? And it's implied that Dani is his murderer, while being possessed that is.
Yep! That's in the original story. I'm glad Miles didn't die in this version. When he wasn't possessed he was just so darling I didn't want anything else to happen to him
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You're great.
I've been seeing you everywhere lately, it's like...
We've got good taste or something :D
I find you again!
YO YOU ARE SUPER BASED I SAW U ON HASAN PIKER’S VIDEO
Saw you on Ready to Glares recent video. Spooky...
I swear I just saw you. For a turtle you really get around.
I literally still can’t handle the sadness of this series so I’m just here to drop off a like and click away to go write more denial fanfiction
I really did love Bly Manor. I can’t explain the feeling I got from the last episode. I’ve never felt that way about a show in a while
I'm not a crier, but the ending did make me cry. Hearing about it again made me cry again
I think the horror in bly was different, it was more of building up anxiety and dread, which is a different kind of horror that still works and is "just perfectly splendid"
I'm not all that into these movies/series but i like hearing Amanda talk about em anyways. Good Job. Keep doing what you're doing and merry christmas.
Same, I don't really want to watch the tv show, because I really don't like horror, but this video was super interesting nonetheless. I kinda want to read these stories now, though
They're a bit dated in terms of writing style obviously so not everyone enjoys them but most of these are all short stories so not overly time consuming
@@AmandaTheJedi I could just take it as a side task for my library science studies, although I'll have to see if my language abilities are good enough for older English, it's not my first language.
The theme that struck me the most about this season was the the theme of memory and identity loss, starting with owens mother and occurring with all the characters in different ways. Having family members who are losing their memory, this was a really impactful way of dealing with some of the emotions that come with watching someone you love lose some of themselves every day. The tragic romances were also great, but thats not what sticsk with me honestly
I liked how Dani's awareness of Viola's posession paralleled the dementia of Owen's mom. She knew she'd start to lose parts of herself eventually and even though she got some good years she was finally 'lost' to a partner who loved her and continued to include her in their life.