The End of the Wayback Machine?
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- čas přidán 2. 04. 2023
- The Internet Archive loses a major lawsuit against four traditional book publishers - threatening the future of library ebook lending and the Wayback Machine.
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The wayback machine actually saved me thousands of dollars.
I went bike riding in Canada and broke my arm. My travel insurance company wouldn't cover my medical costs, Turns out they changed their policy between the time i bought the policy and traveled. The wayback machine helped me prove the policy changed and i was covered.
Oh wow!
That sounds like it should be illegal, do they not consider the fact that they change their policies?
@@sarthak-ti Legality doesn't matter much when they can afford lawyers and you're stuck sitting there with a broken arm in another country.
This is a lie. Your insurance provider is required by law to provide you with a certificate of insurance and a printout documenting your whole policy (what's covered and what isn't).
Why lie about something so dumb and easily discovered?
@@yolobathsaltsYou implying insurance companies aren't beyond lying to save paying? This goes against every insurance interaction I have had.
PROTECT THE INTERNET ARCHIVE AT ALL COSTS
@Vercusgames its not too late to save whats left
the owners want to change history to their side
INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY IS MADE UP BULLSHIT. THE ONLY WAY FORWARD IS FREE AND OPEN SHARING OF ANY AND ALL INFORMATION ACCESSABLE AND CAPABLE. IP LAWS MUST END
@Vercusgames there's no hacker and its not shutting down
the big companies already scraped it and told the law they don't need it
The Wayback Machine is a massive historical archive. We cannot afford to lose it. It's basically a digital history textbook of the Internet.
Books is only a small part of the internet archive. Archiving of the web is another. So no this isn't the death of them.
@@brodriguez11000...?
@@pollodeshebrado6761 he is basically saying that what is going to get lost here is the internet archive collection of books, for now wayback machine is safe
(which is wrong, but it is what it is)
@@brodriguez11000 you misunderstood what you were replying to.
@Rage well no I haven't. I understand what the case is about and it's not about losing the internet archive. Trying to exaggerate things makes those that argue for copyright reform look like extremists.
This is why decentralized archiving is so important. You can ban material from stores, you can seize books, you can shut down libraries, but as long as there's still someone who has a copy of something important, that material isn't lost.
thats also chaotic. Look how the pirate bay and torrenting has dealt with copy right law and court rulings.
We need to get active in politics and change the fucking laws that allow the internet to accomplish its original mission dating back to DARPA. Its supposed to be a place to share information to those who seek it. This is not just my opinion. TPB Peter Sunde has said that we need to change the god damn fucking laws about this.
I use Webrecorder extension and it works as i browse + i dont have to wait for wayback machine to fail the capture and submit error. And it skips the queue...
*Remember to upload your data!*
Except each individual copy in a decentralized system is way less reliable than any half-decent centralized source. Decentralized works great as long as people keep downloading+mirroring the same stuff in perpetuity. It won't solve the problem of decades-old obscure content some guy has on a hard drive that gets corrupted or just randomly dies.
It’s lost to the rest of the world when only one man has it for himself. Isn’t that like, the whole problem with videogame preservation when it comes to rare prototypes?
I'd hate to lose the wayback machine, even though it still holds my early embarrassing attempts at web programming.
We need the wayback machine for internet accountability. Without it, there will be chaos.
I think this was done with that knowledge in mind.
That's exactly the point.
@@owlman_ あっぷ
Exactly. The way back Machine is one of the only things we have to fight digital propaganda
The government wants full 1984
This is why piracy is so common. Publishers used to be a good thing but now its actively harming sales and awareness of their clients books. Publishers is turning into a negative for both books and gaming... who knows whats next.
I doesn't make sense to have publishers on a digital world!
I made sense back when your only option was to print books, assemble cartridges and press discs.
Now there's no reason for them to exist anymore.
publishers also have a lot of shady underground deals, and they keep the copyright and profits from your music even after you pass away. Which gives a lot of incentive to make musicians die early in order to get the extra sales from the news of the passing
@@rumplstiltztinkerstein Bernie Sanders actually talked about that in one of his books. Highly recommend his work.
@@andremalerba5281 ... WHAT??
I'm sorry but if you genuinely think that you clearly don't understand game development funding.
@@andremalerba5281 This isn't great, I do like more people can self publish but its a bit silly to claim publishers make no sense. Publishers can do things that small companies rather allocate their time on other things to do. That doesn't even speak about publishers also giving development funds for some things as well. In the modern day publishers can deal with marketing, community building, etc and if you are a dev or a book writer you probably don't have the time to manage a community or simply dislike marketing. Again I favor devs/artists self publish but I can see why publishers are an entity that exist in the modern day.
If The Wayback Machine dies then we lose most of the internet as we know it. The Wayback Machine is on par with sites like Wikipedia its part of the fundamentals of the internet and I would say top 10 websites to ever exist of ALL TIME for information and education/study alone and still top 10 when thinking about other uses. I have been using The Wayback Machine for YEARS. The Wayback Machine is basically a time capsule or a museum of the internet as we know it and with it gone we have nothing. There are many websites I used to frequent as a kid in the 2000's and early 2010's that are now either inactive or heavily changed in a bad way that are available on the Wayback Machine as they used to be back then
wikipedia should never be trusted, the ammount of editing wars over political leaning the editors/mods on wikipedia does to censor is astounding in the extreme
🤣🤣🤣 Wikipedia, that is a joke site these days. Just a propaganda tool for the establishment. Even the founder calls them out on it, the site is a disgrace.
Not anymore. The Pfizer exec that project Veritas exposed was erased for a while. Only the intensity attention brought him back. What else has been un-existed?
what are some of the websites you use on way back machine? i’d love to check them out!
Wikipedia is compromised. They steer opinion towards their bias.
I had a professor who did not like the idea of being forced to have to buy a book to pass a class, so he literally took the time to sit down and audio record himself reading the assigned book for his class end to end and gave us his audio recordings. This book was about 700 pages. He was just cool like that.
Dedication
Professors like that who care about their students are literally saving civilization. God bless.
Now that's an amazing professor, this person really cares about their job and the people who they educate. I hope the students appreciate it as much as it's deserved!
Had a go at algorithm programming. The classes were free so we didn't expect much of it, but the teacher was literally one of the best I've ever learned from irl. Making funny jokes and moments so it's memorable, building his character in front of us so everyone is strictly following his lead (shouts really loud when he enters the room, nobody dares to make a sound unlike in school where lots of students are noisy and our class was 2 times the size the one of a school class). One day he threw a bottle across the room and it got stuck between the wall and a fire extinguisher, we all had a good moment. Whenever the daylight started to fade out he looked at the reflections of the windows to know who's gaming. Since classes are free everyone who games gets kicked.
Based
Meanwhile I had a prof who intentionally made minor revisions to her textbook so that she could force students to buy a new edition of it every year.
“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”
― George Orwell, 1984
literally nineteen eighty four
@@generallyunimportant Yes.
bro did you just quote george orwell
@@8bitRAM I love these kinds of ignorant comments, it's like you think people just wake up one day and are under fascist rule, not like it's a slow drip or anything, no, not at all, why would they possibly take away everything slowly piece-by-piece so we don't notice?
Looks like it worked on you
@@urk5204 while not literally overnight, it could go fast. For example, if we don't transition from capitalism to socialism, we will certainly at some point get to where wages and benefits have stagnated enough, and costs of living and costs of goods have increased enough, that the working class will no longer be able to afford to buy and consume what capitalists are exploiting them to make and sell. We would have likely reached this point some time ago if consumer credit cards weren't introduced as a stopgap, but now we have more and more people hitting their limits on those too. When this hits enough of the worker class population, socialist revolution will happen unless the capitalist class uses the state to crush resistance, effectively bringing about a very fast and violent fall into fascism.
That said, the fact that we have two right-wing parties in control right now (the overtly pro-fascism ultra-nationalist republicans and the moderate-right neoliberal capitalist democrats) shows that we are right on the cusp of fascism, however; especially given their violently anti-working class policy, including Biden's railroad strike breaking, and the overwhelming disporportionality between justice system violence perpetrated upon leftists while fascist vigilantes are given a pass. And we do have authoritarian framework being put into place, including the PATRIOT act and (if it passes) the RESTRICT act, which would be used with much gusto by a fascist regime.
I'm sure corporations have been drooling over the idea of the wayback machine going away for a long time, lest they be held accountable for something.
And governments. And journalists. Anyone who does not want to be held accountable. Mostly, those with power.
The way back machine also made it possible to find information on the pfizer guy that James O'Kefee was "interviewing". What happened was that since the interview was posted, the internet got swept up and all sorts of information about the guy disappeared. So people used the way back machine to find his information. Its a super useful investigation tool.
It is also great at catching "news" organizations stealth editing articles.
Not so, unfortunately. Not anymore. The Pfizer exec that project Veritas exposed was erased for a while everywhere including on the WayBack Machine. Only the intensity attention brought him back. What else has been un-existed?
This is why
I've always feared this would happen. It should be a crime to take this site down. The amount of information that would be lost is unimaginable.
Government: Everything is legal as long as it makes money.
The internet archive is asking for donations to fight this, I think personally everyone who can afford to kick a few bucks their way should, the internet community at large needs to tell companies like this exactly where they can f***k off to and fight this with global clout. Archival of knowledge and information is super important, otherwise humanity is going to face another dark age.
1984 was taken as a manual, idiocracy became a documentary
The publishers are absolutely in the right here. You can't have other peoples work for free. That's just not allowed. Libraries PURCHASE their books legally. You have no rights to acquire a book through any other means.
I don't care if it is not technically legal, copyright is a legalized scam.
@@elio7610 Partly agree
that's exactly why they're doing this now almost nobody *can* afford to kick them a couple bucks
Internet Archive is such an important project on a par with stuff like Wikipedia, it is vitally important that it is able to stay online and doing what it does. Should have special legal protection if necessary.
it doesn't make money for corporations or campaign donations for politicians and major political parties, so it won't be protected. I predict it will not be around at all within a decade, either due to litigation running them out of money or running them out of legal avenues to continue to operate at all. "Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." -George Orwell, 1984.
Hold up, don’t actually give these crooks sensible ideas. Just point them to other unchristian and unamerican apps for them to block. And also tell them to deny that is censorship, it’s simply a sign of being a patriot!
I’d value it far above wiki, an archive is historic evidence and can be used to circumvent censorship, fake narratives and get the real jist of things that happened
Wikipedia is an easily compromised platform, also there is censorship in regards that for certain “scientific” topics only certain people can write stuff, which often just coincidentally reflects nothing but their personal takes published in their book, while other articles are certainly curated solely by trolls
@@pfizerpricehike9747 Seconded. Wikipedia is extremely leftist on political subjects instead of being non-partisan.
@@shoveI right now the full archive seems to span 212 Petabytes (212000TB) of data. I would argue that is a huuge barrier to hosting your own version.
Growing up in an abusive and controlling home, going to the library to learn programming was my ticket to freedom. Libraries are important places for vulnerable people seeking betterment. It's such a healthy and safe environment, thanks to libraries I was able to get a good job and gain independence.
Awesome ❤
The wayback machine actually saved me today. The paper I was supposed to be studying was hosted on some university's website, and when I had a call with my advisor, the website went down. I'm used to seeing pdfs in the browser, so I don't usually save them
Wayback machine had archives of Filmora saying their upgrade was free to lifetime license holders in their FAQ before they changed it.
But it's still out there from the people who got fucked over by it, they got physical copies to sue Filmora so they're fucked either way
Wayback machine also has the terms of sale (non revisionary) for Minecraft Alpha customers who were defrauded by Microsoft/Mojangs numerous violations.
the problem with academic papers is the absolutely ridicolous price per piece. A book you can get for 10 20 30 bucks but academic papers are sold for 100 bucks minimum
And also, the actual researchers don't get a penny. It's all the publishing companies' shit. Wanna see if this paper will help your thesis? Pony up, it's $40.
Death to Elsevier and their monopoly of academic publishing. We need more people like Aaron Swartz
The researchers pay to send their work, the reader (or institution) pays, and not even the reviewers get paid. If there's one type of piracy that is ethical, it's academic papers piracy.
It's no wonder why the US education system is still extremely bad in the modern world.
I feel like this is one for the few uses for blockchain and decentralised publishing and metadata. Accredited scientists can easily review and either approve or disapprove of a paper, with a digital paper trail of edits etc.
The Wayback Machine is a critical educational tool for me as a developer. There are many historic resources and real-world example websites that are no longer available anywhere else
To loose the Wayback Machine is to book burning!
what websites do you use on way back machine?
Agreed
Nothing is permanent, but we must do our best to protect the archive. Indeed there are some amazing development resources that disappeared. As well as all sorts of investigation proof.
@@tomsterbg8130 Everything will eventually disappear, so it's useless.
In the UK, it's relatively common to turn old red phoneboxes into communal book shares.
It's honestly really cool
My sister used to have a blog for recipes that she created - and they’re some great recipes might I add - and since she died and the website went down six years ago, the Wayback Machine has been a way to get back some memories from her life, with the photos and the recipes that she made when she was with us. If the wayback machine goes down, it’ll be devastating to myself and the rest of my family, as this little slice of her life would be gone forever.
Point taken, but dude just back it up yourself. Take screenshots of her pages on wayback and save it to your computer problem solved.
depending on what service she used to host her site or buy her domain, there may be a way to download the site in its entirety? i know tumblr in particular has an incredibly handy option for downloading your entire blog
Start saving all of the pages, if you use a notes app like Joplin you can even clip the web pages and put them into a collection.
Just save the webpages...
Save them as PDFs!
This is truly one of the biggest hit to preservation of the internet. Not just that but also to the freedom of information from any given time. It's awful, it's like seeing your local library get taken down.
Gonna have to turn the entire internet into a decentralized blockchain at one point to preserve anything.. *laughscries*
INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY IS MADE UP BULLSHIT. THE ONLY WAY FORWARD IS FREE AND OPEN SHARING OF ANY AND ALL INFORMATION ACCESSABLE AND CAPABLE. IP LAWS MUST END
@@mrsearaphim4077 Why blockchain when you could just use federation?
at the same time as trying to get rid of vpns hmmm
not even close to the biggest hit to freedom of information. the entire country of USA is in itself the biggest hit to freedom of information in the world. USA is one of the most brainwashed propaganda filled countries in the world. only a few certain countries like north korea are worse. you think Russia is full of propaganda but Russia ain't even got enough propaganda to observe in a microscope compared to USA
I remember “them” getting mad that they couldn’t hide their lies from the public, so they wanted to get rid of Wayback for a while now. One particular incident I won’t talk about on Yt. People in power be tripping
And who do you think "they" are?
Who are "them?"
the best thing about CDs is that they are not only lossless but you can rip them multiple times, so your data is never gone.
Unless the damn thing gets a tiny scratch and then it's dead.Need a redesign of the players to get out of that crap. This is why I want the actual negative for my photos, not a disc.
@@kurtsnyder4752 i think it only happens if the first part is scratched, for example in audio cds track 10 might skip and the rest will play fine,, hdd are the best for consumers, tape if you need data for a long time
Yes and then i download it for free
People who run archives recommend CD's be copied to new media at longest every ten years. They certainly are not reliable storage media. I have a number of music CD's that no longer work even though they have just been sitting in their sleeves for many years. Even usb drives are not reliable long term. Storage has always been the Achilles heel of electronic media.
"The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history."
― George Orwell
Liter-
@Jason Hardin or critical race theory.
You know what. In Japan, we have a law that forces everyone who published a book, should send one to the national library. And talk about CDs. We do still buy CDs a lot, and we still have stores to borrow CDs/DVDs.
that is good. i always loved japans way of doing things, especially when it comes to internet and information stuff. always unique stuff i find and i love japans television stations as well due to the humour lol
Do you know what your worst thing about your country though is you guys made emulation illegal you also made backup and archival copies illegal and R4 flashcarts and Console modding illegal.
@@NatetheNintendofan it's their copyright claims are 3 times more strict than in the US. They don't like their IPs in the hands of an outside redistributer
@@motherchuckair404 uhh have you seen japanese copyright law... it's worse than the US.
I feel like you are biased because you watch anime and you see japan as some ultimate fantasy land.
@@twylakenarcher well too bad doesn't give you the right to dictate what people run on their hardware that they purchased.
My first car when I was a senior in high school in 2011 was a 1996 Cadillac that had a 12 disk CD changer in the trunk. I bought SOOOO many CDs because the sound quality was way better than using an FM radio aux transmitter. I loved it!
Ha, ha! My first had an AM tube radio that streamed static every time you passed under an electric line. You lost the station in valleys. Sound quality was awful. But the only recordings were vinyl records which couldn't be played in cars (they tried towards the end but it never worked well).
You know what’s crazy? I bought way more books after I started using Zlib and wayback machine than before.
Granted, there’s a lot of books I didn’t buy after using them online for free. But I would have not even considered them if they were behind a paywall.
Yeah, that’s the same I am when trying out games for the first time that don’t offer a playable demo. That’s why I feel like though piracy is yet a force to be reckoned with, no one wants to waste money when it could be going to better things
Piracy is the ultimate way to actually demand quality/give better feedback, if people prefer to buy your product instead of pirating it then that means that your product is of quality and worth buying, sometimes it's so much better to have the original thing than the pirated version since pirated versions might not feel the same or have the same features as original product.
I'm a History student. While not a historian, in our classes we typically discuss the availability of primary sources at the start of the semester for each subject. We're lucky that we live in an age with easy and bountiful access to information, but it's not perpetual. Books, documents and newspapers can be destroyed, and have been, even in more recent times. Preserving them and creating digital copies of them is vital for the preservation of information, which is not as permanent and easy to obtain as we'd like to believe. We have to do the same for websites, because future historians and others will without a doubt need to consult old websites that will no longer exist as a primary source. The Internet Archive being shut down is terrible in this regard.
It is of my opinion that academic research should flat out have no copyright, because i believe knowledge ought to be a human right, but unfortunately this world is ran by greed, and education is locked away only exclusive to those fortunate enough to afford it. That's bogus plain and simple.
Piracy is a result of this broken system, and no matter who these publishers go after and how hard they try to legally shut it down, they won't make a dent into piracy.
Dark 1984 times ahead. This and restrict act.
Do you ever think that perhaps digital archives are flawed because once everything is digital only: an emp destroys everything and we are in the stone age again.
@@shayZero that would require the destruction of pre-existing physical documents, or their complete abandonment.
@@shayZero While an EMP destroying digital infrastructure is a potential issue, I don't think we currently have any means by which to physically preserve web-exclusive content. At least, none exist that would be practical. I myself have seen what it would look like if you loaded up web pages for print-out, for example, and without spending a lot of time optimizing their lay-outs, they would require a stupid crazy amount of materials to physically reproduce, and a lot of space would be required to store them.
They also took down Z-Library (and its different branches) last year. 😕 Stopping people from pirating fiction is one thing, but stopping them from getting free educational materials and gatekeeping knowledge behind a paywall is just disgusting. 😠
CDs are like video-games and books and everything else: you can buy and sell used ones, gift them, trade them, etc. You can't do that with digital.
A couple of years ago, I spent a few days ripping all of my CDs so that I could have everything at a mouse-click. 😀
That's exactly why companies stopped using CDs. You can't profit whenever a consumer gifts or sells a used CD/DVD.
Z-library is still working
@@ahmed53938 Yes, but only if you use the .onion mirror.
@@ahmed53938 but only via tor browser :/
Allegedly there are other sites you can theoretically go to in your imagination, in a video game.
Physical media like CDs should never go away. Having a physical copy will always be better. I hate this world we live in where everything has to be downloaded or streamed and they act like a fast internet connection is a given..
the people in charge of making decisions live in cities with fast internet and don't understand that life exists outside of that bubble
At least you own what you download, streaming access can be taken away at any time.
Especially here in the US where internet speeds are a complete joke. There are literally people in the third world who have faster speeds, and they're laughing at us.
The internet archive is up there with Wikipedia in terms of being one of the most important sites on the internet to keep alive I hope it works out for them
Doesn't the loss of the Wayback Machine have severe complications for legal battles down the road?
Also, potentially, yes
makes things a lot easier for people with more money, and makes whatever bot say harder to contradict. handy.
YES!
There was an earlier post under this vid about someone using the wayback machine for an insurance claim so yes
I don't know, but what I do know is that petitions may work in getting whoever is closing the Internet Archive to reconsider their decision.
The thought of losing libraries is very very unsettling
Same I don’t really like reading that much but even I don’t wanna lose the experience of getting a new book from a library that vibe is something I never wanna lose
there was this massive library that was burnt down by the romans. i can't remember the name of it but historians said that was the day humanity went 1000 years back in time.
I'd argue they're one of the most unsettling things we could lose access to. There's immense financial benefits to be had from controlling and restricting the flow of free knowledge. Every book that was initially lent would have to be sold. They already revise old texts, sometimes fairly for removing outdated information and adding new discoveries; but they could also easily wipe out old knowledge that very few even knew.
The thought of deleting history is horrifying
@@blockygamer6684 delete your browser history
Academic publishers are disgusting, they charge authors publishing fees and readers subscription fees at the same time...
From the music lovers' bubble, hearing someone say they don't remember songs they liked is mind blowing.
As Linus said, "You will own nothing and you will like it". I hate having to go back to buying physical copies to have access to what I buy.
@Denise Jaimes it's not that easy. The Pirate Bay is not what it used to be. Recently I had to get some MP3 files for my friends wedding. I couldn't find any of the songs I was looking for on TPB. I had to buy each MP3 from Amazon because that was the only reliable way I could actually get MP3s.
I never stopped. Books are "A heavy and decadent way to store a megabyte of information", but from an information security perspective it is Vital to have sources which cannot be retroactively sabotaged by bad actors or electromagnetic events.
@Denise Jaimes I like paying artists for their work.
@@TalenGryphon inb4 i break into your personal library and "sabotage" all of your books.
@@generallyunimportant so called "secure" physical media when a fire breaks out:
Archive should be mirrored abroad to prevent shutdown. I'm sure archive's ability to rent media will get shut down, and major publishers will then copy the archive's digital rental format 1 to 1
Pretty much all western countries either have international treaties on copyright or even worse laws on them. And outside the western world, countries are either not interested in such things or actively want western things censored or destroyed. There really is no winning here. Society is crumbling, and the Internet Archive is not going to be around for much longer I suspect. Within a decade it will be litigated out of existence. They'll either run out of money or they'll run out of legal avenues to continue operating at all.
INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY IS MADE UP BULLSHIT. THE ONLY WAY FORWARD IS FREE AND OPEN SHARING OF ANY AND ALL INFORMATION ACCESSABLE AND CAPABLE. IP LAWS MUST END
france maybe where software patents dont exist? not shure about their copyright laws
@@SimonBauer7 They have more or less the same copyright laws as the rest of the west. Our best bet would be non-western countries like Russia or something like Egypt.
@@plebisMaximus Russia is a signatory to all the same Western IP law conventions. They're considering making moves to exempt certain things from protection if they are made unavailable for purchase due to illegal sanctions, but that's not done yet and will be partial. It's not the 90s - Russia enforces its laws and is not a bulletproof jurisdiction. I think they should just blow up the Western IP system, but that doesn't appear to be a move they're prepared to make.
The way back machine is so important in my small country because we don't seem to have enough people to document our sites online. They just slowly dissappear out of existence but the wm preserves everything. Its like a digital museum
For music, it's important to know that majors still are important because they take care of publicity and give you advance money. They get you into interviews, they get your music more easily shared around and overall make sure you get your chance.
They do make greedy contracts which aren't a good thing, but they also still have a reason for existing.
EDIT: also people buy CDs, yeah, mainly for collection purposes. Similarly to how vinyls sales have gone up, artists tend to make collector bundles with their CDs, including t-shirts, goodies, etc. Because selling CDs is just that profitable. Most won't listen to the CDs, but dedicated fans will buy them.
Having an Internet archive is essential.
So long as books are bought legally. Like a library does. Way back machine does not do this. The lawsuit is totally valid.
@@Wylie288 they could just not host books. I don't really care about that aspect, I mean it's essential to have an archive of the Internet itself.
What i'm scared of, is that the size of the archive will slowly grow, until it's really too big, what will be the answer then?
@@Wylie288 Legality ain't the same thing as morality.
Sure, LEGALLY the companies are in the right, but are you saying that you'd seriously want decades upon decades of internet history to be wasted?
I just donated to the wayback machine a few weeks ago, it's a great public service.
You don't need it all the time, but it is so nice when you want to find a documentation page that's been moved or information on a site that was shut down
This is also manipulative framing. They widened the scope of CDL, and now they have a lawsuit they are scared for the Wayback Machine. Perhaps you shouldn't have taken the gamble then? I really don't understand it. They know how these publishing companies are. They should have seen this coming from miles away.
Destroying the Wayback Machine would be a crime against humanity.
The Government: Everything is legal as long as it makes money.
My college literally had me buy a digital book that I found for free elsewhere without pirating it. Because there's a like 28 year period before a textbook enters the public domain. So, I found a copy of it in the public domain and was told I had to purchase it regardless. Despite the book I had literally being the exact same one that the rest of the class was using.
How did they force you?
@@damian9303 because nowadays the digital copy is linked to the online homework software that you are required to use if you want to conplete homework. Paper homework is rare. Almost every student has a laptop or tablet they use in class
Copyright will forever hurt the consumer
Edit: This comment blew up 😂. I want to address a few comments y’all’ve made.
People seem to think that copyright should exist, and they are right in a way. There should absolutely be a system for protecting your creation, but not in the abusive way that it is now. Let’s take Nintendo for example. They ban anything that resembles them or their assets. They should absolutely protect what they are selling, but that’s it. If they discontinue a product, it shouldn’t be able to be pursued like it is. If it weren’t for “pirates” we wouldn’t have a lot of the stuff we have today. People like the Internet Archive are an integral part in keeping internet media safe. Remember that computer game you used to play as a kid? Imagine you couldn’t play it because the developer didn’t want it to live on.
I feel like our government needs to readdress this issue. Bring in the companies (no lawyers or lobbyists), and bring in the “pirates”. Let them help create the copyright laws that affect us.
Copyright abuse*
@@YOEL_44 this is true, but our copyright laws are ancient and need a revamp. I like copyright in an idealistic sense but I'd prefer none over the broken version we have now. It's been keeping insulin prices high and so much more important things more important than the internet
@@BruceOMalley there's no inherent right to intellectual property unlike physical property. You can't steal an idea someone gave you. Telling someone an idea or showing them some work of art is the same as physically handing that person your idea/art. No theft has happened. Don't like it, then come up with ways to protect yourself first.
I get it, but the thing Internet Archive was aiming for was being allowed to lend unlimited digital copies of books whole only owning a single physical copy.
That would just unilaterally destroy the sale of literature. Nobody would ever buy books because one lender would buy a single copy and now everyone would just download it online. It wouldn't even be good for physical libraries either because they would be rendered obsolete through having a limited inventory. It was an extremely poorly thought out idea.
@@BruceOMalley unless you're a huge legal entity that can afford lawyers and often international litigation copyright law doesn't do much to help you when someone is stealing the art you created. Source: people are stealing shit I created all the fucking time and the most I can realistically do is politely ask them not to. Most of what copyright law currently does is ensuring that insanely large publishers of all sorts of media get their gargantuan flow of cash going and making life more difficult for consumers who wish to follow it.
I usually don’t sail the high seas but when a prof wants us to get 3-5 books that all cost 30-40€ I’m very tempted
Dang, only 40? all my books were ~100$. Yeah, f*ck textbook companies.
Sometimes they really screw you over as a “deal.” Want to do the homework that counts 30% of your grade? Buy the 150 dollar text book from the school book store to get access to code needed to do the online hw which adds an extra 30 bucks in top of the 150 dollar book. Sure, you can sell back your text back, but you will only get like 30 dollars back because screw you.
*Cries in $500 science book*
@@James-gd3sp I actually bought the physical textbook when most of my peers bought the 3-month duration ebook that has everything locked down and god-forbid your internet is slow or goes down (back in ~2010). Now I have an impressive looking, and usefully tabbed set of reference books on my bookcase at work, that I routinely use to find an equation or look up a table or remember wtf shear flow is.
Let me save you from temptation then, my friend. I urge you not to visit the library genesis, as it will further tempt you raising ye flag and setting sail. You won't find a bunch of books there and they are not available for free
I hope this doesn't take down MyAbandonWare.
It's an excellent archive for old-school and retro PC games; never would've reconnected with my childhood as easily if it didn't exist.
Thinking the same thing.
You do know that everything on those sites is still under copyright protection, and the courts do not recognize the concept of abandonware, right? They are committing software piracy, and so are you when you download from them. Internet Archive has an exemption from Congress, abandonware sites do not.
Fun fact: here in the UK, a lot of villages have converted old stereotypical phone boxes into mini libraries.
Not exactly the same, but all over the US you'll see little book borrow sheds. Locals keep them stocked with books they're done with, and the premise is to leave a book when you take one. I know of three in my town and at least one in every surrounding town. I've been stuffing them with Stephen King novels for years.
In Australia (many years after a whole bunch of the pay phones had been removed) they decided to make all of the remaining pay phones free to use. Our telco decided it was too labour intensive to collect coins from pay phones and just made them all free as a community service.
Fun fact, they do this in the middle of nowhere in America and have for decades in almost all states
@@xFactoryUSA i know, it was mentioned in the video. I was making the point that when we do it, we use the iconic phone boxes that would otherwise be scrapped. Just as a point of interest for anyone who hasn’t visited or has ever wondered if those phone boxes still exist
@@wizdude we still have payphones in the UK but they’ve been replaced with glass boxes which are a lot cheaper to make, yet still give some sound isolation. Nobody uses them and they just get vandalised.
10 years since Aaron Swartz passed, and we have gone backwards in internet freedom
Indeed.
research CitizenF0UR
Theft isn't freedom.
@@Wylie288 that would be true but now it's not
@@Wylie288 Intellectual property isn't real, there is no theft going on.
I confirm what Linus' co-host said is true, I regularly use pubmed for medical school journal article research, and whenever I can't access the paper due to some reason, I find out the name of one of the authors, grab their email from a quick google search, and i ask them for the paper for free, and they always send it within a few days :). they also don't like the greed of journals charging crazy amounts of money for scientific knowledge
It's such a fantastic tool for people to look for information that might've changed or become lost. We must keep it at all costs
The Wayback Machine is seriously important and I hope it doesn't get nuked.
On top of being ridiculously useful for many situations, such as saving evidence of wrongdoing (legal or otherwise), but it's also really cool. I was able to experience old CZcams despite not being old enough to use a computer at the time it was created.
As an author this is one of the reasons that I do NOT want to go through a publisher. One of the more minor, less personal ones, but one nonetheless.
Can't memory hole things with that around.
The wayback machine is also important in an academic setting. As the internet changes forever every day, referencing online sources through an archived web page makes your work more easily reviewable.
The wayback machine is only one part of the internet archive and its not really affected by this as it's not archiving ebooks just older publicly available websites
A story about CZcams, it used to require Adobe Flash, and my college had blocked Adobe Flash installation so that we couldn't play streaming video.........
And then they introduced HTML 5 video 😛
When my dad first saw my set up he was surprising interested and impressed and ended up having me build a PC for him. My stepmother was genuinely confused when I brought it over to set it up in their house. As far as she was aware, "people don't buy PC towers anymore". She wasn't being rude either. She wanted to know more about this thing I was into, but she literally doesn't know anyone who doesn't have all of their computing needs met by a tablet or their smart phone. I started paying attention at work to the way other people interact with the various software programs we use and I see what she means. If you don't play games or create content, you may find using your smart phone or a tablet to be completely sufficient for everything you do. Even you spend a significant amount of time typing, there are plenty of ways to interact to have a solid enough typing experience that don't require the use of a PC. There really are just a ton of people for whom a PC is just like a CD or an I-POD, relegated to the bin of temporary technology only existed as bridge to the "thing we use now".
idk a powerful system would still have various uses but i suppose we can start with multiple monitors
I guess that the people programming an iphone are using iphones.... I guess your supermarket has only iphones in the cashier, and that the server for prices is also an iphone, and that your home router is also an iphone.
People I know even via the internet all use mostly Laptops except my dad and gamer/drawing people who need all the extra fans to cool the computer for how hot they run the computers.
people that don't use a tower aren't really working at something hard. There's absolutely no way you can be productive in a tablet or cellphone, or anything that has notifications being enabled, or in wich you can't switch tabs or windows. I understand people using laptops for work, but phones simply can't compete with pc's for anything productive.
@@fss1704 This 100%. However, I have noticed some people lack the proper mental discipline to use multiple monitors. My mechanical keyboard is a huge productivity boost too.
The Internet Archives is more than just The Wayback Machine! It is the largest library man has ever built! It must continue at all cost! Thank you for this video, I had not heard the news.
Agreed. Losing It would be tantamount to another burning of Alexandria. I find that truly disturbing.
The thing in music is not only that publishers help you publish CDs but they also help you reaching out to radio stations and streaming services as well. They give you reach everywhere. A musician doesn't go to a publisher for CD sales, they do it for radio plays as i just said, what then results in streams.
What is also a thing in the music industry is buying Spotify listeners. Not in a "bot" way, but when you publish your music through a publisher, then Spotify Daily Mix and all these generated playlists will more likely recommend your song. Don't quote me on that, but i'm pretty sure that this is common practice.
when luke said "its the endgame boys" in response to our generation being the largest "remaining" generation i had an existential crisis the likes of which i havent experienced for several years
Try being a Gen Xer. Always forgotten and now skipped as current largest generation.
@@edstar83 oof
@@edstar83 Gen X isn't the largest generation, though. There's more millennials and gen Z (as in individually both generations are larger) than X.
I experienced a world without internet, a world with internet, and now 1984 bb-net.
@@edstar83 Yep it is tied with Millennial as the largest generation.
That thing about emailing academics and asking for papers is super true. I did this all the time when I was in uni. I've got some published work myself now, and I can honestly tell you that there is no better feeling than someone actually being interested in your work. Academics devote their entire lives to studying just one topic, often a topic so weirdly specific that only a handful of people in the world are actually interested. So if you actually reach out and ask for resources, you can be damn sure they'll bend over backwards to help you learn!
I can’t ever imagine a time in my life that I will need access to an academic paper. But this makes me so happy for other people who may need it.
It'll give the authors more satisfaction in sending it to you and knowing you'll get value from it than the few coins of revenue they'd receive from selling it to you.
@@Grymyrk the scientists actually get absolutely zero of that money, all the money goes to the publisher
@@tcmax7837 Not only that, academics usually have to *pay* the publisher, which they do out of their grants. No, this is not a joke.
Yes, you can absolutely do that, and many authors put their own papers up if they can get away with it (and care to do so). However, the least-friction solution is Sci-Hub. With a browser extension, any paper is literally one click away.
I LOVE the internet archive and the wayback machine - I sure hope (if they become 'outlawed') they go 'underground' and continue to do all they do !! and I ALWAYS buy CDs (or even albums - yes, I do have the set-up for albums) at performances I go to see in person ( and from musicians I cannot go see because they are not in my country) - and - tbh I do not listen to the CDs but it's nice to know I CAN in case I am ever away from listening online - I buy them to show my support for their music that I usually discover either by word of mouth or on my own( usually someplace online) so, when I listen to their music at first, it usually IS online - I purchase their CD so I know (AND THEY KNOW)I that I actually support their music and I hope to hear more of it in the future - a lot of the time the artists I listen online have live performances online w chat and to even package their own CD's and a few times certain ones have even included something extra if I am in personal contact with them for a while.
The lyrics of "Remember The Name" literally mention Fort Minor, the name of the only member of the project (Mike Shinoda) plus the two guest rappers (Ryu and Takbir), the name of their group (Styles of Beyond), and the label the album was published on (Machine Shop). And it is called "Remember The Name".
Come on, Luke. You had one job!
This will likely be a TERRIBLE thing for preservation as a whole (and also people who read as a hobby on a budget).
Of course the effects are yet to be fully seen, but this ruling looks like yet another way for companies to be vile.
I blame these old ass judges that are hardly tech savvy much like politicians. They have no idea of the ramifications of their actions and how wide it is yet they're ruling on
I wonder if they hire incompetent people on purpose
or if the entire governing system is actually that out of touch with technology
@@Hybred The judges are old but they absolutely know whats going on. Bernie Sanders book "Its OK To Be Angry About Capitalism" explains this. The democrats and republicans are in the back pocket of the rich and both are secretly against the consumers. We are just products. We will own nothing and be happy.
INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY IS MADE UP BULLSHIT. THE ONLY WAY FORWARD IS FREE AND OPEN SHARING OF ANY AND ALL INFORMATION ACCESSABLE AND CAPABLE. IP LAWS MUST END
almost like it makes it harder to build an ai bot as the little guy
We need a preservation act but I doubt we will ever get such a thing without it being extremely watered down/censored
Bernie Sanders explains this in his books. Highly recommend them.
@@HeathensauceI think i'll stick to Orwell
@@wafflecone_wombatdrone Hard for me to stomach listening to someone recommending me books from Bernie.
Socialists like Him don't even understand basic economics.
@@wafflecone_wombatdrone Pretty much the same message, but sure
@@Heathensauce Which book?
Thank you for bringing this to more people’s attention. We need a call to action to support IA
You know, I can understand them losing on the grounds that they are lending out more copies than they actually own. I don't feel like that is that hard to understand.. but there are precedents that are being set in this case that are far more outreaching then the actual violation that took place. That sucks.
"It is easier to know where you are going when you know where you have been."
―Eli Wallace, Stargate Universe
That whole episode was about grand library and how many useful things might be there and that even if you don't expect time travel, it's a good idea to keep everything.
And once you know where you are, you can minus that from where you know you where but are no longer, and with that you can identify where you will be.
@@kindlin Ah yes... the missile.
The practice of charging for academic papers was started by Robert Maxwell, Ghislaine's father.
Israel's Superspy
I’m not going to believe everything I read in the CZcams comments, but it wouldn’t surprise me
@@zacharysilver911 Pergamon Press Look it up!
That doesnt surprise me one bit
i have kept my CDs from 20 years ago and i intend to keep them, and buy more so i can make my own media server and not rely on subscription services. I think more people should be encouraged to buy things that they actually own. A service can take down a show/game you bought or completely shutdown and you would lose everything you bought
Well, there is the issue that cd's and other discs start to rot over time, so that limits the lifespan of physical media, unless you keep it in a perfectly controlled vacuum or something like that.
The last step in the idiotification of the nation, GG! In a time where objective correct facts and evidence is jeopardized by AI manipulation being able to go back and see what was published is so valuable for society as a whole.
The wayback machine is the only way I was able to find the software necessary to convert my grandfather's diary into a more usable format (he wrote it on an old word processor I sadly no longer have).
When you buy a CD you are getting an archived copy of the music you paid for. Also a lot of countries have already ruled that you are allowed to make a backup of any physical media you purchase. So CD's are an easy way of buying music, that you know will not randomly change on you.
Yeah, seriously, if you wanted to have the music played on your computer, just get a CD/DVD drive USB adapter and boom, you pretty much can play CDs and DVDs right onto your computer, even if it's not built into the device anymore these days.
CD's are often the source of hi-res lossless audio files floating around the internet.
"Ils ont changé ma chanson 'ma" does not apply to digital copies!
Not to also mention that streaming music is basically marginally better than piracy as far as the revenue is considered. The streams pay so little to the artist, while buying the CD will give them obscenely more money, to the point that a lot of listeners probably never pay the artist the CD's value over time in streaming revenue.
The main use of streaming is to hope for some spread, which can lead to further album, merchandise or ticket sales.
Part of the problem are all the labels which take a hefty chunk, but even aside from all that, the CD sales pay the artist just so much better.
@@SuperFlashDriver usb cd drives exist for those who don't know.
I wouldn't have been able to do my job without the Wayback Machine. My employer was on an old software stack, so old that the site with the documentation was taken down. There is no way I could have figured out the syntax without the Wayback Machine.
I bet digital media is going to love the way back machine maybe ending. That way they can stealth edit articles without worrying about being caught.
I had a University professor who wrote a text book which was a reading requirement (3D computer graphics & displays). He said his royalty was about a dollar per book sold and everyone ends up pirating it anyway. Students in the class even managed to find digital copies online before the publisher's official release date.
I have a feeling your professor was the one who released it early lmao
Cute little anecdote but the extreme vast majority of books are arbitrarily overpriced and that is mostly why piracy exists.
@@ChristopherGray00 if information is worthless (you don't want to pay for it), why do you need it to begin with?
If information is so vital to you living that you cannot be without it, perhaps consider paying the individual for enlightening you... an energetic exchange per say
@@DirtyOne614 the thing is, going out of your way to pay for books that you keep and reference for the future is no problem. The problem is paying for school and all of these fees to then have to buy a one time book that is not useful for anything past a "required" class that ends up having 1 weeks worth of usefulness with some online code.
Maybe consider only paying for things that deserved to be paid for?
The answer to "why are musicians strapped to recording companies", the answer is "good luck ever promoting your music without them" - by promoting, I mean radio play, Spotify and Apple Music playlisting, matching with an industry producer.
This reminds me about the fact that some movie theaters had to close down in the USA when they were owned by movie companies that only showed their movies and didn't let other movie theaters show them because it was monopolistic
Physical CD's can have lossless rips and often support the artist a lot better than digital services that take a lot of the cut like streaming services, and you get a CD. Buying some merch is also fine.
CDs*
Do they have lossless rips most of the time, though? Can and have are different words.
Wav Is still a compression.
@@JorgetePanete 🤓
@@SoranoGuardias wav is literally uncompressed in the same way as CD audio. The actual audio data stream of CD audio is quite literally, bit for bit, identical to a 2 channel, 16 bit, 44.1kHz wav.
Academics love to share their papers, they make it for people to learn things. Often they will also try to put a pre-print version on their website, or publish it to arXiv or such, if allowed by the publisher. Might not have the funky "Nature" logo on top, but will contain the information.
Shocked I had to scroll this far to find a mention of the Preprint Archive. I think this varies by discipline, but generally in physics you out your paper out on arXiv *first* where people will immediately start reading, reviewing and citing it. The only reason you care if it gets into Science, Nature or Physical Review is for the clout.
@@GSBarlev not only clout, a manuscript on a journal has been peer reviewed and more frequently the peer review comments are also available. Pre prints don't have that extra "quality control"
@@costascostas1760 While this is true, there are also serious problems with the journal review system--a lot of cronyism and corruption without a ton of accountability. That said, am I going to trust a random paper in PRE more than a random paper from arXiv? Absolutely.
8:00 Big plus for CDs: The app dev or rights holder cannot STEAL it from me anytime they want because buying on the internet is not buying, it is attaining a digital right to listen to or watch stuff.
You then rip the CD and put it on a hard-drive or your self-hosted streaming server (Plex, etc).
CDs are incredibly important, just so you HAVE a physical copy.
buying cds:
supports the artist DIRECTLY. a lot have a bandcamp where they burn their own cds and print their own covers
gives you a physical copy nobody can take away without physical theft
lets you look at the artwork, liner notes, print on the cd, etc
is higher quality than any previously used format
can be ripped as many times as you want as long as you have the cd
piracy/streaming:
lets you listen to the music as long as the service is up
Exactly. I buy merch and CDs for these exact reasons.
What about artists whom passed away? I always torrent their music because I won't support spineless publishers and sadly said artist can't get money anymore. Maybe used market would be a good alternative in this case? I really don't want any % of my money to go to publishers.
piracy let's you listen to the music when ever you want... if the artist has even a crumb of popularity his shit will be posted on youtube and piracy sites. i still download my shit. fuck streaming
Have music CDs actually been shipped with lossless music formats like WAV or FLAC?
Also, piracy allows you to burn your pirated music to any CD/DVD.
In some cases CDs sell for cheaper than a loseless download of an album. And when that's not the case, fans will often choose to pay extra to get any physical item in return, just out of loyalty to their favorite artists. People will always grow emotionally attached to their favorite bands so there will always be a market for physical media.
Not someone who listens to enough music to buy albums digital or analog. My father however does have some cds with music and i have ripped and made a personalized music list on cd for him to listen on the car. Losses music takes up a huge amount of space. That alone could incentive alone to have physical copies.
We don't live in a natural economy, though. The powers that be have a common vested interest that we forget our past, so they can control the future.
Intellectual property is a scourge on humanity. Few realize just how goddamn important the late 90's - late 2000's internet battle against it was.
copyright is broken, we invest so much on enforcing ownership of ideas and in the process hold everyone back
oh hamburgers, the wayback machine is really important
man thinks hes butters 💀
@@dippyshitty There's many country bumpkins that exist out there.
@@dippyshitty I was thinking the same thing
I have lived near people who don’t use the internet and who have huge CD collections. At the time I thought it was dumb (2015) but now I am a bit jealous of that huge room scale CD collection.
I just recently used the Internet Archive to borrow a book about a medical examiner who worked during the 9/11, it’s called Working Stiffs and once I borrowed it I could not stop until I finished listening to the book with the robot auto voice to the end.
Such a great resource because it really put death into perspective for me learning how incredibly easy it is to die and how many people die every day, and via what circumstances. Our bodies just give out all the dang time, it is terrifying and humbling at the same time.
Also I looked up some Where’s Waldo books I grew up with because I lost my copies from childhood my dad had given to me.
The internet archive not only helps keep old files and videos in a repository like the library of Congress or what have you, but the way back machine is one of the most important websites ever created.
The website is integral to the modern internet
And I do think CD’s are coming back just like Vinyl has.
I kind of predicted that once Vinyl came back. And my theory is that it'll just be a loop. CDs will come back, then it's digital, then vinyl and so on and so forth, or the same thing but minus the digital part.
I even went back from Streaming to buying Bluray Disks. Streaming gets more and more fragmented (and therefore more expensive), the Quality is still all over the place (some Platforms are ok, others suck). For someone with a Home Cinema it's plain crap. So, back to disks.
The patents side of the Wayback Machine need it as it gives dates of availability of documents, and as such is essential for any form of patent searching using Internet sources. (There may not be a date of publication and it may not be reliable - blog posts for example may not be posted on the stated date, though newspapers etc should be reliable.)
I still buy CDs, but not because I like the format. I buy them so that I can rip them to my computer and add them to my digital collection. That being said, I would love to see a physical [digital] format become a solid collectors item in the future (like vinyl), but I hope it's not CDs because they have a lot of flaws.
This. I'm such a huge ambassador for physical media.
I buy records because they look great on display and are great for supporting artists. I do listen to them sometimes, but I'd rather just listen to a lossless digital copy.
pc i have no hope, but all switch games i buy are physical copies only.
It already exists. Digital media has been distributed on a sd card before. Techmoan has even did a video covering the subject.
I like physically collecting games, so I get people who just want a CD. But there are sites where you can buy higher res files (not that you'll hear the difference) and still store them wherever. I've bought a ton of FLACs online and converted them to ALAC for my iPod library
I’ve started buying compilation albums on CD again because I’m sick of artists removing their tracks at a whim from them on streaming services. I do rip them to Apple Music but that way they don’t get wrecked. It’s especially an issue with film soundtracks! Same thing is happening with books now due to sensitivity issues.
Personally, one of my favorite artists actually has their entire work so far archived and available for download in 320kbps MP3/FLAC, and it's something I wish other artists did, because downloading from CZcams sometimes gets me unbearable 128kbps tracks and it's overall a lot more boring to fetch their discography one by one, and then manually editing the metadata to feel like it wasn't ripped from CZcams.
@@mal0gen yeah this is slightly different. I’ve got no issue with the quality on Apple Music as much of it is lossless but it’s more say Armageddon the soundtrack without ZZ top, Bob Seger and Bon Jovi isn’t the same album! Regardless of streaming services this is happening a lot!
@@richarddcrossley I'd say "check the Internet Archive before they shut it down, which they are already trying to do".
Same with movies and shows as well
I download everything to mp3.
CDs are cool because theres something about a collection of physical items that a collection of digitial files just doesn't have.
I am not at all against copyright, but nowadays commercial academic publishers have no place in society. Almost all academic research is funded by public money, and the results should be returned to the public.
I appreciate you covering this. The loss of the few libraries around would be detrimental. Libraries are super important.
Our lower mainland libraries are great.
Libraries purchase their books legally.
Wayback machine does not. This lawsuit is totally valid.
@@Wylie288 what does that have to do with my comment regarding how libraries are important?
@@Wylie288 Ip is trash anyways. Why are we defending systems that only stand to destroy the world around them? Publishers should stop hindering humanity because their legal scam isn't making bank anymore.
Internet Archive is such a gem. 2 Minutes in I'm too mad to finish this, I hope it works out but this is such BS
I swear, the most useful Microsoft documents are dead links that can only be found in the Wayback Machine
I just stumbled on this video by chance and I have to say, that's so true about music being stored away in a harddrive. I'm a millenial I can hardly remember the artists I've listened to on repeat as a teenager. I can only clearly remember the ones that I've purchased physical CDs from.
There used to be a few of those mini libraries in town, until some Karen took every book out of one and burned them because there was a Harry Potter book in one and it was "Promoting Satan". The rest kind of phased out after that, I think there is one down the street from me still.
Similar thing happened in my dads neighborhood, but they are slowly coming back.
Prutianical religous back then condemned it for "satianic" stuff, now the other side is because of Rowling Politics.
Ironic how history and purity spiral repeats.
@@darkzeroprojects4245 Except the consensus on that side is to put the books into free libraries (though some have been rebinding them and removing Rowling's name) and *preserve* that pro-slavery article from Pottermore, so we can clown on Rowling forever.
@@pmester228
I don't like Rowling either, but was just saying.
Especially with that recent Hogwarts Legacy drama lol.
@@darkzeroprojects4245 You can find any opinion on the internet if you look long enough. I didn't go after hogwarts legacy streamers so it's not something I have to address. Or do people expect me to be accountable for others' stupidity?
I'm so glad you guys talked about this situation. Internet Archive and its projects must be protected.
EDIT: Okay, a Fort Minor reference was something I totally didn't expect on this video. Awesome!
Why not have the internet archive in Antarctica
When is the fort minor reference?
@@0008loser Close to the end of the video IIRC
Thieves shouldn't be protected. Libraries purchase their copies of the books. Wayback machine steals them. The lawsuit is totally valid.
I totally listen(and buy) CDs and listen them in my Stereo to this day. No better way to listen to music.
they are literally destroying a museum
I think cd's are still popular amongst some music enthusiasts because they can rip the higher quality files off or just play them in their home audio setup. They're relatively cheap and a lot less compressed than mp3's though you still have to have pretty good hearing to notice the difference.
CDs*
@@JorgetePanete My guy, no one gives a flying fuck.
Bandcamps Download options Enters the room
@@CailVTyeah but they don't have a lot of shit you might want to listen to. Even popular musicians like for example daft punk - not on Bandcamp.
By a lot less compressed you mean completely not compressed at all. CD is about as true to the sound of the music in the studio that you can possibly get, it rivals pretty much any media other then something on a harddrive that the band or studio created.
In some smaller rural villages in the UK we have started using old telephone boxes (the red ones) as little libraries. I drive past 2/3 on my way to and from a neighbouring town. They popped up a lot during COVID - and haven't left, and something a lot of people use. Glad this is a world wide thing!
they started popping up in american suburbs/uni cities around 2009
@@circleinforthecube5170 I have seen cafes, supermarkets etc with a place where people leave and take books