How Inbred Were The Habsburgs?
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The Royal House of Habsburg, one of the most powerful dynasties of Medieval and Renaissance Europe, reigned over much of Europe for centuries. But genetic inheritance and the perils of inbreeding may explain their demise.
Like many royal families their expansion and hold on power came about in part through inter-family marriages. But over time, generation after generation of inbreeding, helped contribute to some of the physical ailments that often plagued the family as well as the distinctive look with their big lower lips, long noses and the distinctive “Habsburg jaw.”
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HaBsburg. Not HaPsburg. Typo in the title. Just though to let you know :)
god the countless memes of Charles the 2nd of Spain and such interesting quotes from the physician at the time stating that his body did not contain a single drop of blood that his heart was the size of a peppercorn and that his lungs were corroded his intestines had rotted and became gangrenous and he had a single testicle black as coal but also his head was full of water and he was short lame and epileptic completely bald before the age of 35 always on the verge of death and continuing to baffle chrisendom by continuing to live
you know, this video makes me want to play CK3
Blowhard. Too,too much. Otherwise interesting.Buh bye.
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And then consider that these are paintings and not photos, which means there was certainly some, shall we say, “artistic license” to make these Hapsburgs look as good as they could.
Spanish painters specifically did not flatter their sitters. That's why all the Spanish monarchy look so ugly.
Yes. They would paint with flattery.
It's believed Cleopatra was an individual who did the same to enhance her beauty.
@ShadowFox178 last time I checked cleopatra's beauty is like a historical Mandela effect, it has no basis on fact, ppl just assumed she was beautiful because she ran a country and seduced the ceasar(?fact check?) of the time with the rug trick
I don't think it takes a stretch to think Ms. Cleo was about as vain as it gets. You could tell me she only surrounded herself with leprous uggos and cut pretty girls' pretty faces as a tax, and I'd just sort of shrug and think, "Yeah, probably."
@@GnohmPolaeon.B.OniShartzagreed a queen would be a bitchy mean popular girl who also has unlimited power over all and is seen as god on earth
Missed one glorious quote to include, by historians Will & Ariel Durant: _"Short, lame, epileptic, senile, and completely bald before 35, he was always on the verge of death, but repeatedly baffled Christendom by continuing to live."_
a true specimen
Now that’s a diss.
@Butter_Warrior99 The worst insults are often accurate descriptions. That's part of the reason I have yet to meet someone who can roast me as bad as my mom.
@@christopherwood7559 Lmao, mom’s got no censor.
@@Butter_Warrior99 nope
"Ah, the Chin dynasty"
"You mean the Qin dynasty?"
"No I mean the Hapsburgs"
"Mummy says its a strong chin for a strong Boy!"
OverSimplified ❤@@weldonwin
The Chinese were also fond of the idea of consolidating power within the family, but they typically weren't to the point of marrying direct relations to each other, such as an uncle to his niece. Usually it was to second cousins, which is at least a little bit better at preventing genetic disorders. Ah, and don't forget about ancient Egypt, which also had its own fair share of inbreeding.
@@mndlessdrwer The Ptolemy dynasty being an absolute trash fire of rampant incest
@@mndlessdrwerNot to mention Chinese Emperor usually has a rear palace loaded full of concubines so his genes pool is pretty diverse.
He has a face that only a cousin could love.
Chileeeee even the cousin had ended up rejecting that 🤮🤮🤮 shht!!
I don't know what I love more, the fact that this episode was sponsored by My Heritage or that they apparently loved the idea
Eugenics groups do what they do.
Probably because they don’t want another Hapsburgs running around.
@@rabbittris precisely
Low-key incest prevention…hysterical!! Only on YT haha
Learn your heritage so you don't end up finding out only after the wedding that you've married an unexpectedly close blood relation.
On some stuff about Joanna, many historians believe that much of of "madness" is greatly over exaggerated by her husband, father, and son. Her husband was abusive (taking her money, berating her in public, hitting her in private, firing all her servants or starving them til they became his spies, gaslighting, oh and having the weirdest welcoming parade were all the Spanish characters were depicted as monkeys), and was preparing to steal her right to the throne the instant her brother died. Her father was trying to prevent Philip from taking the throne, and by the time Fernando died, Charles had turned into a power hungry monster who continued to leave his mother locked up with his youngest sister until she was old enough to be useful and took her away.
Letters from others who knew her or met her during her life either commented saying they saw no signs of the madness mentioned, or it had been greatly exaggerated. This includes but isn't limited to Henry vii, Margaret Tudor, Catherine while she was still dowager princess of Wales, Henry was too busy being Philips biggest fanboy, Philip's own sister Margaret, Philip's own step grandmother Margaret of York, and Maximilian I himself.
Did she have an actual mental break when her husband and abuser die? Probably. But when presented with the chance to have her own son thrown in jail and take the reigns of power, the crowds made no comment of her seeming mad either. Stating she seems calm, thoughtful, and wise.
Probably also heartbroken because her piece of shit son threw her right back into her cell after saving his life.
I think that this is an important point that is often overlooked. Joanna was the ruler of Castile, not her husband. Joanna inherited it from her mother. Castile was hers. Her husband was only allowed to rule through his marriage to her. By framing her as 'mad' he was able to sideline her and invalidate her opinions and shove her to the side and take her power. You will notice that, despite her being supposedly mad he never divorced her - because if he did he'd lose any right to Castile.
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@@chesterstevens8870 they… they literally gave the citations. The letters from these people.
“You keep using that phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
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Yeah, but where can I see and read these letters for myself? Because I'm not taking the word from some random asshole in a CZcams comment section that they exist.
@@chesterstevens8870you have Internet. Look it up for yourself.
When it comes to inbreeding, the Habsburgs had nothing on the Egyptian Pharoahs and the Ptolemies.
Hard but fair, the mommies of those people showed that they were sickier than a death baby joke.
I honestly have no idea how we managed to get Cleopatra from that cursed lineage...
Fuckloads of sheer luck, I guess
Many ‘royals’ through history were inbred!
Actually it not often results in deformities or mental defects, until taken too far, I guess. Sometimes inbreeding accents desirable traits, as we see very often in breeding of pets and livestock.
But I am not going to mate with my cousin!
Egyptians had possibly a far chance of life since most times the ‘brother /sister or other relation’ marriages were most times half blooded relations
Maybe she had plastic surgery
What's sad is you know the portrait artist made Charles look better than he really did, which is insane to think about. That man suffered for his family tree being more of a family shrub.
More like family tumbleweed 💀
"Family shrub" 😂
More like a family wreath. Just a straight circle.
It's all roots.
Small thing worth mentioning (re: Elizabeth I) there was another element at play that made the prospective marriage to her untenable as well. So not only was there Elizabeth's unwillingness to marry and the religious schism as you mentioned, but there's also the fact that England, as a whole, did not want the country to become yet another puppet state of Spain. It had already come dangerously close to exactly that when Mary married a Spanish king previously. Had Elizabeth actually married a Spanish king, there would have been massive bloodshed to get rid of him, even without the religious schism.
There was also yet another element at play, where if she was willing to marry, there was already a man she would’ve likely chosen.
@dyland.7892 One thing she was apparently smart enough on was, after seeing what happened with her father's marriages, and how older sister Mary pretty much caved in and submitted meekly to Philip's wishes, Elizabeth realized that, in that Era, when a woman married she was expected to submit herself wholly to her husband's will. I think that's why she spent her entire adult life stringing along several potential suitors ( including one French younger son), but never caving in to any.
What about Ivan The Terrible?
@@adriennegormley9358She was also sexually abused by her stepfather at age 15, so that probably played into her reticence as well. I mean, she did sleep around, but still.
I think one of the big edges that the English developed over their Continental brethren was their healthy distrust for religious politics. Anglicanism was basically the Crown’s solution for managing devotion. In fairness they were harder on Catholics than Protestants but they weren’t all that keen on over-enthusiastic Pope-free Christians, either. The Crown ultimately sent most of the Puritans to America.
Speaking of, is it too late too to ask them to take them back?
As much as people like to make fun of him Charles really had such a sad life, as he would have spent his entire life in constant suffering. It would have surely been such a hellish experience. Curses may not be real but the people who believed in him being cursed weren't too far off seeing as how his genetics meant being born just to suffer. He didn't even have a chance. All made even worse due to how the people around him were more concerned about this affecting his ability to produce an heir than the suffering it caused him.
So true
They was so inbred that one person was related to himself so much that he was the whole family reunion.
Okay, THAT was a good joke. I have to remember that one. 😂👍
I went to school with two girls from the Habsburg family - both fortunately intelligent, funny, normal-looking and creative children. However, there was no doubt that the family resemblance existed. especially the famous lower jaw
Ah yes the classic Hapsburg family Tumbleweed.
The tree just did not fork…
@@cratorcic9362 family ladder
It ain't incest if you say "No chromo".
- Gigguk
I knew I'd find a Gigguk quote in this mess of a comment section.
I'm dead😂🤦♀️
Just gotta say: This is one of the best titles of a CZcams videos I've seen in my -way too- long time here.
I know right it was perfect
Not as long as Charles' chin
Why is Habsburg spelled with a P?
@@historyofeverythingpodcastThe family became the human version of a dog breed like a pug.
The other branches of the Hasburg’s still exist.
@@historyofeverythingpodcast I just thought it made you look like you don't know what you are talking to. But now I'm thinking... seriously?
I always found it interesting that after a while the family tree became a family sphere.
Stump
@@pucknhusker9426 That, too.
You know you have problems when your family tree looks like a family tumbleweed.
@@pucknhusker9426 YUP! That was my first thought as well, lol!
Tumble weed or a telephone pole, like places n Missouri
"keeping the bloodline pure" is a misconception. Although a subtle difference, the real reason is to prevent a succession crisis. These led to not only a breakup of the dynasty, but all out wars. The Hapsburgs were about the most powerful family in the world for 3/4 of a millennium. In that sense, it worked. Whether or not it was personally worth it is another question.
Finally someone with common sense and a brain! I agree 100%
That is a large part of the ‘pure bloodline’ meaning no/few outside factions that could cut in and weasel control. You bring in fresh blood if it brings in more territory powers. And then hope the marriage bears offspring to strategically marry to other not too distant (least the ‘other side’ of the family get to strong and break away, or seize power from your side) branches of the family. So maybe we should blame the non-Habsburg royal families in Europe that time for not being willing to marry in and cede territory to the Habsburg 😂😂
Thank you. A succession crises sometimes being caused in part by enemies who are only in truth at the time seeking to triangulate family members against one another while coveting their land. When for example misdiagnosing someone of having insanity which has been built right into their genes after they spent a whole lot of time looking at their blood under the microscope under the guise of doing so when looking for a cure for Diabetes or some other disease condition which does not include insanity.
they're probably confusing it with actual "blood purity" laws which existed in Spain at the time but were concerning the caste system in the colonies
Imagine being a spirit, about to be deposited into the body of a baby to start your life. You ask god what kind of family you’re soon to be born into, and he tells you a rich and powerful family of monarchs. You think you won the birth lottery and get excited over the prospect of soon being a prince. Then you’re born into the last of the Hapsburg lineage and have a shelf for a face.
The most messed up part about all of this is that they could have simply done all this without the marriages, but medieval Europe was so fixated on marriage-based alliance they completely forgot they could have just negotiated alliances with contracts that were sanctioned and enforced by the pope or other powerful/influential individuals.
I mean, the 1500s were well after “medieval Europe”, but yes.
A lot of them also believed that royalty should only wed other royalty, and they were running out of royals that they were not related to. Plus it kept the family's interests consolidated. Marriage into a noble family would mean bringing another whole family to compete for power with.
None of this would have happened if women - even ones of "royal" birth - hadn't been treated as chattel (or brood mares).
That's tro but the marriage back then was a more permanent contract. For example. Would you attack a country known your daughter could be killed by the king of that country? The other way. They wouldn't attack your country knowing your daughter would take half that country if they leave. Really good alliance now aye
None of the monarchs - including the popes - could be trusted to honour binding contracts, and they all - including the popes - had children and other relatives who could be used to their financial benefit. Sumptuous display is the name of the monarchical game, and it's not cheap building a temporary palace for a weekend international conference every couple of years.
The "hemoturia" could also have been a sign of phenyketonuria, which causes the normally colored urine to react with the air during urination, making the urine red. Popped up again amongst noble families during the Victorian Era.
My sister is a genetisist and I i can't wait to show this to her.
You'll have to tell us what her reaction is 😂
I now have to figure how to include the phrase "inbreeding coefficient" into polite conversation....thanks
Hang out with dog people. We all know about it.
@@madtabby66 I remember reading that there's at least one breed whose members are so inbred they're basically all the same individual. For the life of me I can't remember which one. Searching around a bit it looks as if Basenjis and Canadian Eskimo Dogs both have COIs of over 0.5, and many others well over 0.4.
Interestingly cheetahs are also terribly inbred. Due to a serous genetic bottleneck in the geologically recent past, and are basically all as close as full siblings.
@@alexv3357 they're gonna have to breed existing cheetahs strictly by DNA differences to make the entire species viable in the long-term?
@@marckyle5895 There's not even diversity left to do that. At this point it's give them a favourable environment and hope for the best, and make sure the population doesn't get too small.
@@alexv3357 there is some, no Cheetah has the same spot pattern. They need to breed the most different and try! To see Cheetahs get that jaw...
The pure joy on your face during the MyHeritage sponsorship was perfect 😂
There's the classic quote regarding the Hapsburgs "Let others wage war, but thou, O happy Austria, marry; for those kingdoms which Mars gives to others, Venus gives to thee."
Briefly touched upon at the end of this video is the War of Spanish Succession, the World War of its time. Winston Churchill's ancestor (for whom he wrote a 'biography') John Churchill was a major combatant and created as the first Duke of Marlborough.
And Churchill’s biography of his ancestor Marlborough is terrific.
Also Queen Anne had Blenheim Palace built in Marlborough's honour to celebrate the Battle of Blenheim thus pressaging the pre-eminence of Great Britain in Europe.
@@alan-dx2zf Kenneth Brannagh's 4 hour adaptation of Hamlet had the exterior shot at this place.
I remember reading long ago that incest cousin level incest, while genetically bad, is not that big a genetic issue, provided it is one time event in a family tree.
When cousin, 2nd cousin, niece, nephew, etc marriages repeat, generation after generation, you WILL have big issues.
Okay, but what cousins? I have “double cousins “ meaning my fathers sister married my mothers brother. They met at my parents wedding.
Those cousins are legally cousins, but genetically closer to siblings. My brother and one cousin can pass as twins.
@@madtabby66 As long as they don't marry it's fine, check the marriage laws of your area to see how afraid you should be.
Yeah. Cousins marrying used to be pretty common and long term it isn't going to be a huge issue. I feel like that inbred coefficient for Charles II is maybe even worse than sibling's offspring. Generations of cousin/cousin, 2nd cousins, and uncle/niece over and over seems to have distilled the genetics down to sludge after 5 generations. Made worse by so many kids dying young there was ever less opportunity for new blood to make its way in.
i have a
brother-uncle ( mom SA*d at 16 by gpa on xmas)....
he got adopted and found us in 2020 thru 23&me now hes like.43-46 IDR.... He's a professional chef, Wife of 12 years is totally normal got 2 Very handsome little boys....
they are twins actually Which is very odd for our family So I don't know if that's related at all, But they're totally cool. Enjoy playing With each other and other kids no problems , very well-behaved Around the adults..... It seems like one of them will be an athlete and the other 1 will be a bookwarm .... I didn't seem to affect my family very much And that ship was father to daughter so I'm guessing if there is gonna be a problem that would be there
@@madtabby66I was at the wedding of a double cousin couple (in Morocco). When they explained they had the same 4 grandparents.. yea, that doesn't seem healthy. Their kids were fine though, last I heard.
"Less like a tree, more like a ladder," is probably the kindest way to phrase this family's tree. Remember learning about this in Undergrad, though admittedly, less detail.
When i first saw the paintings of the Hapsburg monarchs (the weird chin ones), at first i thought that it was the style of the painting at the period where they liked to dramatised the chin and lips, etc.
But as i grew older and got more knowledge... oh boy oh boy was i wrong...
There certainly was some artistic liberty with the paintings, but not to emphasise his strong jawline.
In the question to how inbred Charles II is the answer is yes. Majority of his family lines can be traced back to one couple, Juana the mad and her husband Philip
I don't remember who it was, but one woman was so inbred that she suffered from incredible mental illness. So much so that after her husband died she refused to allow them to bury his body and she slept with the corpse for days. Eventually she got put under arrest or captured somehow, essentially forced into isolation by the rest of the family. Only one of her daughter's visited her until she died.
Edit: That’s a mix of a fictional woman named Emily from A Rose For Emily and Joanna of Castille, but I’m 100% certain a lot of the stories about her were embellished because she was a powerful woman who happened to have mental illness, she was no where NEAR as inbred as Carlos here despite her being one of his grandmothers.
was a swedish queen i think that keept the corpse alot or cut out the heart and keept it in a box . humans are mental in any age.
@@tobiascarlsson5967That’s Maria Eloanora , mother of Queen Christina. Maria not only had her husband’s heart placed in a box, but she had that box suspended over her bed every night. Her husband was Gustavus Adolphus, the Lion of the North, so she likely wasn’t the only woman who had been a bit fan-girly over his exploits. She was, however, the only one who was able to have his heart cut out of his body and sleep with it every night.
@@DneilB007 He was seen as a Saint send by god in sweden and parts of germany. this was ironicly an act of catholic thinking to keep parts of a saint as a lucky charm.
Victoria had her lovers hand stuffed. She was buried with it.
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Fantastic
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When you announced who the sponsor was I immediately burst out laughing 😂
I love the way your mind works that when you saw the sponsorship offer you just IMMEDIATELY changed plans to this, bravo sir, bravo😂
Me too!
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I worked with a woman who was a direct descendant of Phillip II, and let's just say the Hapsburg looks are still floating around out there. The Chin! The Lip! The Nose!
I went to school with a girl who had a German surname, and even in the late 70s, I wondered about her heritage, since she had all of what one might see as "typical" Habsburg features, ie; the nose, the eyes, elongated face, flat cheek bones, INCREDIBLY prognathous lower jaw, which she had surgically corrected when we were teens.
One wonders what the Habsburg's got up to on the side.
Oddly in the UK our aristocrat types have a jawline/chin which i dunno i cant quite explain it but its the opposite of a Haspburg chin, yet they are all haspburg cadet branches, so we can assume there must have been a mutated gene somewhere which is facing the wrong way.
If you google 'slone ranger' you will get an idea. Very nobbley face with bad bad jawline. Camilla Park Bowles is a classic example.
@@olivere5497 Well, had to let that settle a bit. I commented earlier that my daughter had to have her upper and lower jaws both rebuilt because, due to the prognathism, she couldn't even USE them, and as for me, well....I don't look that different from Camilla. Oh, well. There are some winners in our gene pool, but my younger daughter and I are a bit less fortunate.
@@farvista luckily there are plenty of rich young men with terrible eyesight and no social skills, she can bag one of them!
I'm directly related to the Romanovs and was repeatedly approached by people when I was a tourist in Russia over how much I resembled the Romanovs. Btw, I was considered the best looking girl in my high school so, poo on you😑😑😑
He forgot the medical examination at his death. It’s a solid string of roasts
Hapsburg’s make Alabama blush
Sweet Home Austria🎶
I wonder what a similar study of some of the Ancient dynasties of Egypt would give as to the degree of inbreeding. Although it's certainly impressive just how quickly the Hapsburgs managed to....screw themselves over.
@@snelhestarna they took the phrase “mf” seriously 😂
Cleopatra was super inbred and that’s after Greek blood mixed in
@@snelhestarna Ancient Egypt was even worse, I'm pretty sure. Sibling marriage was pretty common within the royal Egyptian families, because they believed they were directly descended from gods, and thus could not share that blood with anyone. It's harder to check than with the Habsburgs, though, due to it being so much further back in history, whereas with the Habsurgs we can find the documents proving all the different marriages and children being born. I know they checked Tutankhamun for genetic health issues, and he had a whole bunch of them as a result of being inbred, including a very weak jaw with a severe overbite (basically the opposite of the Habsburg jaw), and bone issues that made his legs bow outwards, making him reliant on a cane to walk.
"Do you want to find out if you have some cousin marriages in your history?"
According to my dad's research from decades ago, I am my grandmother's 9th cousin, 12 times removed. There were three families in a valley that didn't marry within family... but they didn't look farther than the valley for spouses, either.
A video about the Hapsburgs, with a MyHeritage ad, AND ON HALLOWEEN
This is the best CZcams video ever
I enjoy how both you and infographics show talk about Charles II and inbreeding
Stakuyi saying "Ouch, daddy" was not something I expected to hear today
Habsburg blood is expensive. My daughter (half German) had both her upper and lower jaws surgically removed, taken apart and re-assembled properly, and her chin was reduced. They had to go back in a second time because the bone was too soft to hold the screws well, since she hadn't really been able to chew for years.
The recovery was intense. My daughter was on so much pain medication that she doesn't really remember most of it, but she HATES chocolate milkshakes, which was most of her nutrition for quite a while.
There was a local family here, the father had spent time with family down south and married his 1st cousin while there. They had 3 children, all 3 were pretty messed up. After the parents died/could no longer care for them, 1 had to be instutionalized, 1 had to live in a group home, and 1 was able to live independently with assistance, but had significant mental delays. He was a nice guy and apparently the parents were wonderful ppl, but definitely a poster family for why you don't marry your cousin.
"down south" - I'm assuming you are American. What is it about the Confederate traitors that made them continue to marry close relatives even though the dangers were well known? Fear of miscegenation?
Typically one cousin marriage doesn’t lead to genetic illness, but they magnify quickly to where 2 successive generations of children with first cousins is about as bad as reproducing with a half sibling. It is extremely likely there were already successive generations of cousin marriages in that family. Unfortunately it is a cultural norm is some places. Doesn’t help that a lot of religious texts totally normalize it.
Keep in mind while you look at the paintings… The painters did their best to try and show them off in the best light, posture, wealth, and power… so much to the point that if the painting looked poorly the painter would be killed.
I started laughing so hard when you announced who the sponsor was 😂😂
Considering that a portrait painter of the time would probably produce a flattering likeness I suspect Charles II looked worse
I went to school with a Hapsburg descendant and she had the chin and jawline typical to this family. Her senior year, she had reconstructive surgery but some of the hallmarks remained.
How Inbred Were The Habsburgs? 14.12.23 0936am the royal houses hatred of women? jeeez.... crazy world this royalism...
All the comments are so insightful but I just have this unimportant history info:
One of my relatives (my grandmas cousin or something) was named Balthasar.
He was born during peak farming season, so everyone was way too busy to bring him to the priest for baptism. (Done pretty immediately after birth back then)
They got one of the kids to wheel him into the village but nobody thought to come up with a name. Thusly the priest named him balthasar.
In Roman Catholic lore, St. Balthazar was one of the "Three Wise Men." He's traditionally referred to as the King of Arabia and usually pictured as a Black/African man.
Honestly Balthasar is a really dope name
Always sad when people try and 'keep the blood pure'. There was a reason back in the old days people kidnapped brides from other tribes; broader genetics are better overall
Yep. It’s why I love my dog breed. Not a lot of inbreeding. We’re looking for dual champions meaning beauty and brains.
Then there’s the toy breeds. Must make fave flatter!
Yup. Ours were forbidden from marrying within their own(even some neighbouring tribes), to avoid possible family connections, and would go as far as possible to buy, or steal the bride, in case hers still wouldn't allow her to go, and she wanted to accept the marriage, after seeing the groom. First usually aunts would go to examine the situation, then the rest of the family, armed to their teeth, expecting to fight. Trips could last weeks, if not months, them sleeping out, hiding along the way, not to get noticed. Why our weddings still look like an elaborate military operation, including guns, money, all going to get the bride first, ect, copying those old customs, so they wouldn't get lost. When you hear some bragging how their nation is ethnically clean, stayed pure, didn't mix troughout history, ect, you look at them pale, "so, within the family? All mentally, physically challenged? Ok?", trying to understand how they think that's a good thing.
I want to add something to my first post. The Hawaiian's practiced close family relationships, which was not limited to the Ali Ali. The one thing I got why Hawaiians are basically different is this. They practiced infanticide. Any chid born with any defect was exposed at birth. Therefore: society is weeding out inherited genetic probems. So inbreeding with the royal class of Hawaiians seemed to work. However, I myself don't want to marry my half-sister or first cousin.
You can watch the whole thing just..falling apart at each step. This is insane, but I love the way you present it. It makes it WAY easier to deal with going through this much info... Thank you for making this crazy but insanely interesting video! New Sub!
That map of 1444 Europe is wild!!! I knew Germany was fractured and warring states before the HRE, but seeing what that actually looked like is mind blowing. It really makes Barbarossa that much more impressive.
Well at least we can find solace in the fact that most Hapsburg marriages look like they were happy and complementary.
Takes a Hapsburg to know the stress that comes with the last name Hapsburg I guess.
I guess only Hapsburgs can relate to other Hapsburgs.
Christina of Milan was also offered the crown of England as Henry VIII’s fourth wife. She famously declared that if she had two heads, one would be at the king’s disposal, but alas, she had only one. This led to the disastrous marriage between Henry and Anne of Cleves.
Also, one of Philip II’s wives was Mary I, Henry VIII’s daughter and his cousin. In fact, Mary was once betrothed to Philip’s father as a child! They had no children. He did attempt to woo Elizabeth, but she wasn’t interested. It was his Armada her troops later destroyed. Philip was the son of Juana the Mad, whose sister was Henry’s first wife, Catherine of Aragon.
It should also be noted that of Henry’s six wives, two were actually cousins: Anne Boleyn and Katherine Howard. They also were the two he had executed.
Even Elizabeth II was married to a cousin, Prince Philip, and had four children with him. But she appears to be the last one to do so, as her son (King Charles III) and grandson (William, Prince of Wales) had children with women who were not closely related.
This was my first video of yours to watch, and I really enjoyed it! Liked and subscribed.
I just stumbled across his Channel today too! Ah, the video about the Hapsburg family stump, loll!
This isn't a family tree. This is a family pretzel.
I quit.
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Perfect sponsor, almost fell out of my chair laughing!
As someone who has no genetic problems, I am impressed that he has made it to 39 as I am only 37 and have already almost died twice and probably would have without modern medicine.
Here's a little bit of info i heard at one point. Apparently portraits of royals were pretty much the artist makeing the look better then they actually looked like. So there's a good chance that the hasbergs were even uglier than portraits show them. Think of it like photoshop before photoshop. They were lucky cameras weren't invented yet.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Habsburg look was considered to be (or at least marketed as) a sign of strong genes back then. You have this immensely wealthy dynasty full of kings, queens and holy roman emperors who all share similar facial features, so it could have been seen as a desirable trait rather than a warning to perhaps not keep breeding within close family circles.
Truly a face only a mother could love... or sister
"Why not both?"
My dad married his brother-in-law’s niece. So I could go to family reunions on my dad’s side and on my mom’s side, and I’d see my one same set of aunt, uncle & cousins at both reunions! Since my Uncle by marriage was my Grandpa’s brother, he was simultaneously my blood Great Uncle. This same uncle is my mom’s uncle. So this also made my mom’s first cousins in that family my first cousins too. On top of that, those same 1st cousins are simultaneously my second cousins too! People look at me funny when I try to explain this but it all maps out. And no, there is no inbreeding, and no, we’re not from West Virginia. 😂
I have to add, 'no, we're not inbred' a lot, too 😂. (Usually accompanied by an eye roll) My grandma's brother, and my grandpa's sister, met through my grandparents, and later got married. So I have a few double second cousins.
@@ravenfirestone3130 Yep, your Family Tree is a Stick. lol
I'm my own grandpa
This basically gave me mental whiplash
@@ravenfirestone3130 My grandma and her aunt were a year apart in age. They married brothers, so my mom's aunt was also her great-aunt, and her 1st cousins are also her 1st cousins once removed 😅
As a Spaniard... There's actually a lot of myths going around about him. Lately our historians have been researching his time more closely and have found some interesting things.
While he certainly was infertile, sickly, and ugly, he wasn't as physically disabled as we're led to believe... And probably not intellectually disabled at all.
Most of the information we have from him was from French embassadors, so it should be taken with a grain of salt. There's a saying in Spain: "most of our history was written by the French". There's a lot of unconfirmed rumours about him which just escalated in fiction during the early Bourbon era.
More obscure manuscripts (diaries of embassadors from countries like England and Marrakesh) from his actual lifetime, some of which are currently only in Spanish, describe him as eloquent and witty, of a mild and romantic attitude, and "dedicating his entire life to preparing presents for others". The manuscripts do confirm his lack of hygiene, but they also describe him as mostly functional. He would go hunting for weeks to the Sierra, which if you're Spanish you know is extremely cold, and not the sort of place someone very ill would survive in.
By many reliable accounts, even some foreign ones, he was surprisingly even to the writers very aware and involved in politics, more than other kings before him. Apparently he was particularly knowledgeable in geography, easily pointing out and recognizing the smaller regions of foreign countries and their current political states. Also, reading these sorts of texts it becomes clear that not only it is a myth that he didn't do anything but rather that he was actually one of the most involved kings, as he dealt with issues and foreign representatives (writers of the text) in person. Something that also stands out of all of these texts is how the Inquisition is literally described as "an organism independent and more powerful than the crown" and factually arrested allies of the king without his permission, and without him being able to do anything but negotiate for their release, often unsuccessfully, which could even lead to the deaths of the arrested. Knowing of these dynamics of power between the Inquisition and the crown really calls into question the whole exorcism thing he lived through, considering he was factually screaming for help during half of it...
Gosh, I love history's mysteries.
Point is there's a lot of misinformation. He was physically disabled, but not as severely as we are led to believe, and he was probably not mentally disabled. His character is full of contradicting reports but the more reliable ones, with impartial views not edited by propaganda or rumors, seem to indicate this.
About the incest... Keep in mind Cleopatra had a similar if not higher coefficient. We often forget she was also described as very ugly, though history overlooked that because of her intelligence.
I mean it goes back several centuries before that, just to give an example Ferdinand II and Isabella were second cousin through their paternal great grandfather John I of Castile. But they were also related through other lines. Maximilian I is also a descendant of John I, he was actually a first cousin once removed of Ferdinand II...
Thank you for your presentation. Not inserting hideous background muzak is particularly appreciated !
Fun fact the Hapsburg Royal family technically Died out twice
The Spanish side branch with Charles 2 and the Austrian branch with Maria Theresa the modern Hapsburgs are a cadet branch with the house of Lorraine.
Very very interesting! Thank you for all your time and work in creating this video.
I want to point out one slight mistake. Ferdinand hasn't got a Bohemian throne because his wife was Anna Jagello. He wanted to legitimise his right thanks to his marriage with her, but his request was denied by Czech nobles (after Hussite wars King's rule was weak, when noble's influence had grown significantly). So, Czech nobles required a free election of king on the local Diet (zemský sněm), where Ferdinand was one candidates. Difference is, when king is elected by nobles, they can oblidge new king to fulfill their demands during his reign.
You're right. The sponsorship and topic were perfect
My mother's family were pioneers in.one valley in the northern Rockies; my dad's in the next valley over. Keep in mind this area was settled in the late 1860s & 70s, so mot that long of a history compared to.other places.
When my mother passed away in 1994, I took her ashes back to that area, to be buried next to my dad. When i gave the mrtician the info on my maternal grandparents, and especially my grandma's maiden name, he said, "Damn. You DOhave roots here!"
I jokingly told him, "I tell all my friends I'm related to half of the valley."
His reply? "Half the calley, hell! You're related to.90% of it!"
Odd thing is, although my parents' generation tended to marry locally, my sibs and cousins didn't. But, then, grandma had been a school teacher back in the day of one room schools, and she taught her children and grandchildren a love of learning. And when you love lesrning, it can help in many ways. Heck, i learned as a kid, somehow, through reading or listening to my folks, about the dangers of unbreeding, and i know I'm not the only one.
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Great episode! Very interesting. I really like that you added the DNA stat analysis too.
Truly fascinating, thank you!
Thank you MyHeritage for making this video possible 👍🤣
Hope you enjoyed Seville ❤ it’s my home town and I loved seeing all the images recorded there
There are "cousin marriages" in everyone's history, if you go back far enough. The important thing to avoid Habsburg-like inbreeding problems is to not have marriages between closer than 4th cousins, as at that point the odds of genetic defects drop to average. Still, researching one's family history does come with the side effect of potentially learning how closely your parents are related to each other. In my case, my grandfathers were 12th cousins, as both descended from the Howard family of the English aristocracy, (best remembered for the Dukes of Norfolk and Henry VIII's ill-fated fifth wife, Catherine Howard) and their most recent common ancestors were in the 1500s.
Yeah, I have little doubts that there were at least a few cousin marriages in my direct line of ancestry, especially since I am from an upper caste South Indian whose families all owned land. Cousin marriages are accepted in our kinship system, and even during my grandparents' day, they told me of cousin marriages that happened.
It happened in every culture. From New Zealand. It happened here with the natives. It happened back in Europe on my side. The only reason the natives stopped it was because the British told them to. Wasn't all that bad but given the population size (200,000 in the 1700s. 40,000 come 1840. England did what they always do) tribe sizes weren't that big. So your choice of partner wore slim.
Keep up the work amazing as always
Thank you for your work!
Absolutely loved the video lad, but God damn my CZcams recommendations are going to be weird for the next few days.😂
I’d love to see a video in the future on the war of Austrian succession.
Marrying your relatives was for a long time a widespread custom not just with nobility. BUT the house of Habsburg really took it too far. I know of no other noble or royal family where the marriage of (very) close relatives was so heavily practiced. Even when you consider the rulers of Germany, Great Britain and Russia at the end of the 19th century who all married their relatives, something like this never appeared ever since.
Wilhelm II. married his 2nd Cousin, Nicholas II. also married his 2nd cousin and Edward V. married his (distant) aunt
The Egyptians ramped it up to 11 with the "marry your sister to keep the blood pure" practices. However, in regards to more modern historical examples only the Habsburgs had such a tight thicket instead of a family tree
Not so much in Europe, where you had to get a papal dispensation to marry closer than a fourth degree relative, something the commoners couldn’t really afford to pursue. First cousin marriage is still popular among the muslim population though, as Great Britain is discovering playing out in birth defect rates.
The MyHeritage ad started and I legitimately thought you were doing a bit. So yes, perfect. XD
Repellent yet interesting, thanks!
Thia is, by far, the scariest thing that I've heard all night. *shudders*
Thanks for making my night much more interesting. Happy Halloween good sir, and to everyone else.
I absolutely love that my heritage loved the idea of sponsoring this episode lol
Very interesting episode!
Another very interesting video. Thank you. :D
Everyone makes fun of how inbred the Hapsburgs were, but remember Elizabeth II was related to her husband Prince Phillip. They are third cousins and second cousins on two different lines of descent. So King Charles III of England has an inbreeding co-efficient somewhere between 0.09 and 0.13.
Still, nowhere near as bad as the Jaw family
@user-cq7hj9my1j Not as bad as Charles II but as bad as many in the Habsburg family before him. Now imagine if Charles III had been allowed to marry Camilla earlier in life, who he is also related to.
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Inbreeding is as natural as breathing when it comes to the aristocracy ilk, so it's nothing surprising.
It's... very sad and a little comical how so many of these couples seemed legitimately in love and very good matches- if only they weren't LITERAL BLOOD RELATIONS
I remember reading somewhere that not being attracted to your siblings is matter of social development, rather than a biological trait.
And we all know that being part of the European nobility gave you the best possible upbringing! Making sure you'd grow up into a well adjusted adult! /s
It’s 12 am I have a vague recollection of your name and face but I can’t place it. But I’m loving this way you’re presenting even though I probably won’t remember it when I wake up
Absolutely brilliant 👏 👌 😀......kudos my friend 👏
It saddened me to make your likes no longer 117 but you deserve it. Forgive me Master Chief.
The Hapsburg family tree looks like the most disappointed Focus trees ever.
the pace and the humour.......not to mention the information......hats off.Bravo. I begin to think that multi-universe and quantum physics seem relatively simple. I,m off to the nearest black hole , but for sheer fun I will loop your presentation.
Like news report on the Hapsburgs. Weather at 11!
Brilliantly described! Wicked! Well done..
omg i think i need to watch this another 5 time to understand this
Take notes.
The Hapsburg tree became a bush! 😂
I can just imagine the laughter coming from any artist commissioned to paint this humunculus.
31:20 That's Keith from the try guys. Great video, subscribing.
Please do the Ptolemies next😂❤
It's not just the Hapsburg family, but also Joanna of Castile&Aragon didn't come from a very diverse genepool either. Her parents (Isabella of Castille and Fernando the Second 'the Catholic' of Aragon) were 2nd cousins since Isabella's granduncle Fernando the First became the king of Aragon in 1412 while her father Juan the Second was king of Castille.
The Iberian kingdoms not having diverse blood in their royalty makes sense, weren't Castile and Aragon formed during the early stages of the reconquista as land taken from the Muslims was split between different princes?
And even if I'm remembering that wrong, the Iberian kingdoms still had a lot of motivation to regularly intermarry due to needing to ally against the Muslims.
I've read somewhere that during the autopsy his organs appeared to be 'burnt' or 'blackened', which would be consistent with acid buildup.
One of my favorite genealogy terms: "Consanguinity".
"Mommy said I have a strong chin for a strong boy!"
-Charles, probably.
Very good, thank you.
wow I was able to listen the all thing!!