JOINING PART P COMPETENT PERSON SCHEMES FOR ELECTRICIANS. HOW TO. WHAT HAPPENS.
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- We are often asked how to join a Competent Person Scheme, often called a CPS scheme or just simply - Part P.
In this video you will be given the answer to two questions, HOW TO JOIN A CPS SCHEME and WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I HAVE MY ASSESSMENT TO BECOME A MEMBER. The narrator of the video was an assessor for one of the larger scheme providers and he shares with you his knowledge of what he would expect to see when he carried out assessments on new members, the things he is looking for on a site visit with you and the paperwork and other procedures he will need to see. The assessors always want you to pass your assessment, they are actually on your side. This video will give you the tips and the essentials to making your assessor confident that you do know your job, that you do act professionally and that you are a competent person.
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Wow finally a straight forward insight from someone who has done the assessments, I'm so glad I found this video (now subscribed). I had the same "cart before horse" question about notifiable work. Thanks very much!
Glad we could help Dilip. Lots more straight talking videos to come. Your positive comments are really appreciated. Bux
Excellent video thank you LE. You have managed to answer all of my questions in one place, plus more! I have been searching and asking people for these answers for weeks and weeks. You really do have some excellent videos on here that are very well presented. Thank you for sharing your knowledge in a very understandable format! I'm subscribed!
Thank you Chris. Your positive comments have really made our day. We try our best.
Dave
One of the best videos I've seen on CZcams for information. Thank you for all of the content which has helped me tremendously. I am now subscribed. 👍🏼
Thank you Thomas for the great feedback.
Dave
Thank you for this complete and well explained video. I've found it very useful.
Really happy that it was useful. I try my best. Good luck with your career, it never let me down. Dave
Hello, Thank you for passing on the knowledge. I am not an electrician but I find your videos very useful and helps to understand the trade better. I have in the past employed some electrician who claimed to be enrolled to a CPS scheme but they didn’t continue with their enrolment and didn’t issue a completion certificate either. Due to my trusting nature I am suffering because of lack of awareness. Building control says ignorance is no excuse. They have a point but sometimes one is genuinely ignorant of how to find a right competent person.
Thanks Aman. Unfortunately you are not the only person to be taken in by these people. Some people hold back part of the payment until they receive all the paperwork. A bona fide registered member will have no objection in showing you their membership card. Thanks for watching. Dave.
Thank you so much for your explanation and advice on this video .
You are very welcome, thanks for watching.
Very informative channel 👍👏👌Great ,Great and Great to share your valuable knowledge in Electrical industry.
Thanks for the great feedback. Appreciated. Dave.
Wow! This is very informative, thanks for sharing it with us. It worth it and the best tutorial on the topic for me...dl
Great support, thank you.
Brilliant video again thanks. This shows me a clear path to being able to self certify work as that was one of the things worrying me. Thanks again 👍
Thanks Glenn. I was a Part P assessor for one of the big boys and I saw confusion many times. The books don't make it clear, hence the videos. Hope they helped and more Part P to come very soon. Stay lucky. Dave.
@@learnelectrics4402 like I say you have given me a clear route with this video whereas before it was just uncertainty. 👍
Great.
This was a great video to come across while trying to decide between going with NAPIT or NICEIC
There's not much between them Ahira. They all have to follow the same rules. I was with NAPIT and always found them OK. Dave.
Thanks for the great video
Thank you Billy. Its always good to get positive comments and we are glad you enjoyed it. Lots more to come. Bux
Great video you answered all my questions and answered in laymen terms im thinking of going self employed i just dont have my 2391 but im time served did a 4 year apprenticeship and got my 18th
Thanks Carl, nice comments.
As regards self employed and joining a scheme, a main consideration for joining Part P schemes is are you competent. That is what they are looking for. If you have your apprenticeship and 18th Edition and can prove competency then go for it. Napit or NICEIC may ask you to sit a qualification for Inspection and Test in the 12 months after you join, but it should not stop them accepting you as a member. Contact them and have a chat, remember, they are on your side, they want you to be a member.
Very useful and helpful for us who are starting up a formal business
Good luck Paula, I know of a few Lady Sparkies and all do well.
Thank you sir. 🙏🙏🙏
Most welcome Susantha, thanks for watching. Dave.
Great info! :)
Thank you. Your positive comments make it all worth while. Bux
Excellent presentation. I learned a lot
So glad you found it useful. Lots more videos on the way.
Ah great, one of the areas I wasn'y sure of, the visit, I've been doing mainly small jobs such as replacing like for like for quite a few years now. And now that you mentioned it can be your own property I feel a bit of releif, I think I can do that. Great video tutorial, thanks.
Glad we helped and thanks for the feedback Nick. When I was assessing I wanted to see you being professional. Organised in your paperwork, in your testing etc. The 2 circuits I would want to see must be fairly "meaty" jobs, a new two way lighting circuit, a socket circuit etc. Something that an ordinary DIYer wouldn't do themselves. Replacing like for like would not be good enough on its own, but write a Minor works for each like for like and that can be added weight to the 2 jobs on full Electrical Installation Certificates.
Have a look at our video on Minor Works Certificates on this link
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@@learnelectrics4402 Yes, great thankyou. I not sure my customers are keen on paperwork like certificates, but I do give them invoice slips, and I guess that if I do minor works certs then I can keep for my own records.
@@JIBS. Hi thanks for that, I'm not really aiming for Domestic Installer, but Approved Contractor, and as the ball is rolling I wish to do the 2391-52, or I might have to split the 2391, not sure yet. Well that's the plan anyway.
Nick, wrong answer. Building Regulations state that you give a copy of each of the appropriate certificates to the customer and a copy for your own records.
@@learnelectrics4402 I'm glad you've pointed that out, I have now watched the MWC video too. ;-)
I have my first few customers next week, for over a year of nothing, so I'm really grateful for the feedback. I'm getting everything in place, and re-studying, and your videos have been the most helpful on the net! Thanks. Nick
Thanks for the video, I have now subscribed to your channel and will be watching all your videos. Can I ask a question on special areas for notifiable work, are kitchens not included ?
Not in England but they are in Wales. Thanks for subscribing, its always appreciated.
Thank you for a full and comprehensive explanation of joining the CPS. Your video if the first and only one to do so. I have been looking for a while.
With regards to qualifications, what are the minimum requirements?
I've seen many companies offering 4 week courses after which, they say you have the sufficient qualifications to join the CPS, as long as you have the on site experience. This is true?
Tom, so glad this helped. Minimum requirements will be on scheme providers websites but expect at least 18th Edition, knowledge of Part P and the Building Regs and of course some electrical experience. Good luck, I've never regretted being a member. Dave
Great explanation
Thank you so much for your positive comment. It is truly appreciated. More to follow. Bux
So you cant get registered untill you can show a new circuit you have fitted and a consumer unit change but you can fit a new circuit or change a consumer unit until you are registered! really awkward position, the council ask for upto 6 weeks to asses a fuse board change or any notifiable work, how the hell are we meant to do this?? pissing me off, Im qualified and done a tonne of minor works but just stuck when it comes to joining a scheme and even notifiable work is hark because customers wont wait 6 weeks for the council to pull their finger out! (they take the money upon application tho!) Any ideas?
If you intend registering, have a couple of jobs in mind that you will use to show the scheme assessor. Agree with the assessor when he makes first contact with you, and the customer that they are happy to be used for the assessment and just do the work. When you pass the assessment, notify the jobs with your scheme provider. Don't involve the council. As long as you are not acting without any bad intention, the council will accept this. When I was an assessor I was very aware that you have to break the chain somewhere.
Please keep 😁up the good work
Thank you. Yes lots more to come. Your feedback is very valuable to us. Bux
Hi. Thanks for the videos. Regarding the 2 years experience. How do you quantify the two years? If as you say, your previous job had electrics as a small part, so maybe only carrying out occasional works during the last two years, is that sufficient? Will the assessor be looking for a particular number of certificates, jobs etc
Thanks in advance.
Its all to do with the assessors gut feeling about you on the day. How much skill and confidence have you got. Basically, would he trust you to be left alone in a customer's house all day and do electrical work safely and competently. Would you be happy with a 16 year old straight out of school, first week on the job, or would you rather have someone with a couple of years experience. If electrics is only a small part, that shouldn't be a problem if you are good at it. Talk to your assessor, they are there to help and guide. Do they expect you to have done electrics for 40 hours a week for a full two years - no. Hope this helps.
I've been out of this for a few years, are check boxes and test logs no longer required and have you no need of a torque screwdriver also. I had one assessor who didn't like my Fluke T5 as a voltage prover (as it was a multi function device ) but was GS38
If you use a check box it should be calibrated every year. Test logs are a good idea they show you are monitoring your test equipment. I can't help with the assessor not liking your meter, ask him why. The assessor is there to help you get through the assessment, ask him any questions you have.
@@learnelectrics4402 wrong check boxes are not required to be calibrated .
@@Dog-whisperer7494 I have have recently checked this with kewtech as I have a kewtech FC2000 check box , they told me they only recommend there MFTs should be calibrated 12 months from date of perches, how would you know if the check box is wrong or the MFT ? You won’t . The NICEIC told me that as well.
Wondering if someone can help I finished my apprenticeship a couple of years ago, so had my gold card then I went into aviation for 4 years now works dried up I want to start up my own domestic electrical company, I've recently done the 18th edition and have initial verification and testing and inspection course coming up soon, how can I get on a cps scheme if I haven't yet started taking any work on because I can't sign off my own work?
Kieran, lots of people that are really good sparkies now have started out with the same questions. We all have to start somewhere.
Part P and registration etc. is ONLY applicable to notifiable work.
There is nothing to stop you doing Non-Notifiable work as long as you are competent.
Many of them start by doing MINOR WORKS which are not notifiable. That gives them the experience and work record. Photo everything you do, keep records, fill in Minor Works Certificates. When you do join a scheme you will have all the evidence.
I also know two sparkies who only do minor works, they have loads of work, 6 days a week, they are making £400 to £500 a DAY.
Have a look at these two videos listed below, you will find lots of info about what you can do on a Minor Works and without needing to notify. There is loads of domestic work that doesn't need notifying. Good luck, go for it. And keep watching the videos, they will help you build up your knowledge. Dave.
Minor Works Certificate
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Part P What is it
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Hi I've recently discovered your videos and they are fantastic. I have a question inregards to the Part P evidence. Im currently looking at retraining. In one of your videos I thought was really informative about how electrician's get around the part p while building experience. Im currently a vehicle technician would any electrical work done in this field be considered towards the collection of evidence?? Also I know its probably a minefield to do but would you consider doing a video on retraining??
Make yourself a portfolio of everything relevant. OK, so 12 volts isn't the same as 230 volts but it does require an understanding of current flow, resistance, switches etc. It will help, but you will need to show 230 volt evidence. Many assessors accept work in your own house, a NEW circuit to the garage etc. Go for it, it's a good trade and with your auto experience you could be sitting pretty with electric vehicle installations.
@@learnelectrics4402 I didnt think to mention i am level 3 trained in Electric Vehicle repairs so I have my certificate for that as well. Thank you so much for replying really appreciate it
Believe in yourself. Electrics has taken me around the world several times. Effort in, reward out. Dave.
How do I go around being registered for commercial work aswell as domestic. Plus I have worked for an electrical company for years and don't do much of my own work on the side can I use those jobs with the certs from my company to prove my competence as I have done all the work and testing
When you register for membership with NAPIT or NIC you will be A1.1 Domestic. If you can show the assessor some industrial work you can be A1.2 Industrial also.
Most assessors will accept work that YOU have done for someone else so long as the assessed job is your work all the way through, including testing and completing certificates.
Speak to your assessor when setting up your assessment.
Remember that they are on your side, they want you in their club.
They will not put many obstacles in your way, they want you to pass and stay with them for many years - just prove to them that you are good enough.
Good luck. Dave.
Hi, Do you think it would be acceptable to have all documentation on an ipad on site for the assessment? I have icertifi for all my test results etc, would this be appropriate?
I accepted computer based forms when I was assessing and icert is an accepted certification system. Yes, no problem so long as the EIC and Sched of Inspections and Test Results are also fully completed. Good question. Dave.
I’ve seen two courses that run 2 different qualifications. One is the CG 2365 and the other one gets me CG 2393, 2382 and 2392. Then move onto 2391-52.
What do they mean and which one is better?
There are lots of different course numbers. Visit the training centre and ask to see their training syllabus, or put the C&G number into google and compare yourself. 2391 seems to be the one that is being pushed at the moment, but they are all fairly similar. What you want is a good mix of theory and practical, including fault finding. Actually visit the centre and see what you are going to get for your money. Ask questions, its important that you have confidence in them. Some centres a really good and will go that extra mile for you. Dave.
Is this relevant in Scotland? I understand that part P does not apply in Scotland, and thus works are not notifiable.
Correct, but the Certification of Construction Scheme does apply under the Building (Scotland) Act as BS7671 applies to UK. Scottish rules are on a par with Part P, warrants for certain building work instead of notifications, English Approved Documents are replaced with Sections in Scotland etc. You will find more info at the Scottish Building Standards Division www.scotland.gov.uk/bsd
Hope this helps. Dave.
Great video 👍
With the eic's do I need to get someone to sign my job off? Or can you use the generic green ones. 👍
You should complete your own certificates for the work that you have done, whether you are registered or not. You will need to be registered as a competent person to notify your own work, or find a third party competent person that offers that service or use the services of LABC. If you are doing notifiable work regularly, it make sense to register. Check with the scheme provider of your choice for the latest joining requirements, they do change.
@@learnelectrics4402 thanks for the reply 👍
My local council charges £330.00 per job. So if niceic want 3 jobs that's £990.00. plus joining fees £1300.00 it really starts adding up.😂
OK, So I have a socket in my passage way embedded into the skirting board. I just want to raise this to the standard 450mm off the floor level. Will this small job also count as examples of work I have done?
Its an example, yes, but not enough to become registered. You need a big meaty job to show the assessor. Look on the schemes websites, they will help you decide.
@@learnelectrics4402 Ok I'm doing a house rewire with an experienced electrician. Although I'm still short of the 2 years experience by about 1 year and 6 months, can I still use this example 2 years down the line?
As we said in the video, these are things you discuss with your assessor but I would guess you will have even bigger examples by then. Good luck, its a good trade to be in.
@@learnelectrics4402 Thanks mate. Its very helpful of you and a great video too.
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PS - Zippy Mo. It is a good idea to take photos of everything you do and save them in their own folder on the PC or even print them out. Start now and by the time you go for registration you will have oodles of evidence to show your assessor. Photograph everything, it all helps to prove you are competent. Keep watching our videos, a lot of them contain information that an assessor could ask you. Be the best.
Hi can you give an example of someone you have accessed for the cps and failed them and why…..great training videos….regards
not knowing how to do the tests properly
can't do ring circuit test
not doing safe isolation (many)
not able to fill in all required certificates
Basically whatever the video says you should be doing, you should be doing.
Hope this helps, thanks for watching. Dave.
Brilliant video. Thank you. Could I ask your advice. I am interested in joining a professional body, would be good to have some technical support. I am a site engineer in a building. I have my city and guilds part 1 and 2. Started at 15th edition ! How would I go about a napit application? Many thanks. Paul. Subscribed and liked👍
Paul, thanks for the feedback. We have 3 videos on CZcams about part p and a 4th one uploading tomorrow, Thursday. If you are subscribed you will get it automatically.
Meanwhile have a look at our video JOINING PART P COMPETENT PERSON SCHEMES
Use this link to access it ...
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And
typing in LearnElectrics all one word into the YT search bar will a get you all the videos
as there any legal requirments to join a scheme for EICR work?
Periodic Inspections are not installation work and do not come under the Part P scheme.
However, the remedial work found on the Inspection might be notifiable.
Hi great video, as a qualified electrician can I sign off my own installation work? I have JIB gold card and initial and period testing inspection and testing qualification.
But I work full time for the Dno now on the network and wouldn't able to justify paying for a yearly scheme for the little bits of work I do.
Is it true as a competent person I can do and sign my own work off without being apart if a scheme?
Cheers Ash.
You will need to be part of a scheme to sign off work that is notifiable.
If you are only doing minor works then you do not need to be a member.
The customer will not get a Building Regulations Compliance Certificate without it being signed off by a registered person or Building Control. If they come to sell the house they will need it. Hope this helps.
Dave.
Another question I'd like to ask is when you mention about issuing an installation certificate as a non registered person, where do I get this certificate from? Do I give it to the building control guy or to the customer?
Zippy, have another look at the video. An unregistered person will contact Building Control before starting notifiable work. You will get the application form from the Building Control office for your area (google it). After that, you will issue the electrical certificates and they will issue the Building Control Compliance Certificate ( Part P certificate).
Hope this helps
Dave
@@learnelectrics4402 Hi Dave, I contacted building control last week about getting my work inspected by them as I am unregistered. This is the response I received.
"Under Part P you shouldn’t be rewiring a house if you are not qualified and registered with a competent person scheme. We do not have the facility to come out to inspect the works. If you carry out the works then you will have to employ the Power Services to inspect and sign the works off. I would however advise you do not carry out rewiring work until you are registered with a competent person scheme."
If this is the case, I'll never get registered. Or have thay got it wrong?
@@zippymo672there is no legal requirement or regulation requirement for anyone to register with a competent person scam . Or to be qualified. That said never undertake electrical work unless you are qualified and competent to do the work safely and to the current standard.
As for the response you got from your local building control shows they are not interested unless something goes wrong and you electrocute someone or burn the house down, or you’re putting up an extension without planning permission then they will be kicking your front door in and halling you of to court .
Very useful video, Thanks. I have several questions in mind for CPS.
1. If I do the first assessment job in my own home. Can I be the person or asked another qualified electrician to fully complete electrical certificates for the job being assessed to facilitate the Assessor Site Visit Later?
2. Refer to CPS of NICEIC website, it does not mention the new applicant has at least 2 years electrical experience? Can you clarify?
3. Refer to CPS of NICEIC website, I should appoint one Qualified Supervisor. Is it mandatory?
It has to be all your own your work and you have to complete your certificates yourself. If another electrician does the work or completes the certificates then that is not acceptable. 2 years relevant experience required, discuss with your assessor.
Glad you liked the video, good luck with your assessment.
Do you have a guide on becoming a qualified electrician? I'm looking to change careers but this all seems so confusing. You can pay to take a course for a couple weeks to become a 'domestic installer' but evidently this won't be qualified enough to run your own business without paying to get your notifiable work inspected each time.
Have a look at our other video, Part P what is it. We are I believe putting together a video on how to become an electrician. It will be published in two weeks. I will say that you need a certain amount of acquired knowledge plus you will need certain qualifications over a period of time. The biggest requirement is a good mix of practical experience. If you are going to be a registered electrician, the assessor will ask himself the question - Can this person be left alone in this house and do all the electrical work safely and correctly.
It takes time and is built up in stages.
Thanks for the positive comments and do keep watching.
@@learnelectrics4402 thanks for the reply, ill check it out, looking forward to the upcoming video.
NICEIC asked for full day visit as existing member. any idea why? thanks
They have to meet UKAS guidelines with their assessments. Even NICEIC gets assessed themselves. Every now and then you will be picked at random for the full works, especially if you are A1.1 (domestic) and A1.2 (industrial) registered with them. Just make sure that your paperwork and your chosen site are squeeky clean and up to date.
Don't rush through the assessments, if they want a full day assessment you will just end up having to find something extra for them to look at.
When I was assessing I used to pick a member that I knew was good and that all their work was ok. So take it as recognition that you are doing ok.
@@learnelectrics4402 Thank you man
Thanks, you're welcome. Keep watching, lots more to come.
My question is how am I supposed to be assessed from notofiable work when I cannot notifie it before an assessment?
Not a problem. That is what you talk to the assessor about. You have to have a job to show him that is not notified until after you pass your assessment. You are not going to be prosecuted if you are declaring that job as your assessment example and notify it afterwards. As long as you do not intend to be fraudulent and become a serial non-notifier you are ok. A lot of new electricians do the first assessment job in their own home or that of a relative. Good luck.
@@learnelectrics4402 Thank you for advice. I do like your educational clips. They are very helpful.
I’ve been trying to find the answer to this question for ages
You're not the only one. You have to break the chain somewhere. It all comes down to the question - do you intend to register for Part P. If you do then Building Control will not take action, it is in their interest to encourage you to register.
@@learnelectrics4402 I’ve been looking for the answer to this question for a while, thanks
How would I prove my 2 years experience? Does it all have to be documented?
Documented - yes, certificated by a third party - no.
Sit down and write down all that you have done that is remotely connected to electrical work.
What photographs do you have of even the simplest things. Can you go back and photograph things you have done. Its all about evidence gathering. What electrical test certificates have you issued and kept copies of? This is the best way to prove 2 years electrical experience and usually the one that most folk don't complete before they are registered. Do you keep a diary or notebook of where you were each day and what you did. Will map apps on your phone help you. Good luck. Dave.
@@learnelectrics4402 I thought we had to be registered to do the electrical test certificates?
Outdoor work is not considered special location. Room containing bath, shower, swimming pool or sauna heater are special locations.
Absolutely but you must Part P notify new outdoor circuits. Thanks for watching and thanks for the comments. Dave.
What happened to "an Englishman's home is his castle" ? Surely, if it's your home, you don't have to notify anything to anybody.
If it's your house and you are not an electrician and you do all the work then no-one is going to pick you up on that, apart from the insurance if it goes wrong.
But if it's your work then yes, it comes under the electricity at WORK act.
Not my rules but thanks for watching and a great comment. Dave.
Professional indemnity and public lierbility insurance is not a legal requirement. The clients own home insurance is what they should claim on as they would be covered for fire and theft as well as contents . So if an electrician does a bad job and burn your house down you can claim two lot of insurance , your home insurance the claim of the electricians insurance . Wow nice pay day that will be happy days for your client .
I am 45 years old. I want to change my profession & become a Domestic electrician. I am not in a position to be an apprentice nor can I go through a long term educational process. I have seen fast track Domestic electrician courses on the internet. I do have a reasonable understanding of electricity .Is it possible that you can advice me on a fast route . I only want to be able to do domestic electrical works . Your guidance will be most welcome.
Find two or three local training centres on google and visit each one and ask. They are in the best position to advise you what is available in your area and if you are face to face with them they can even assess how they think you will do and tell you who is looking for help.
Hi Mate, I was pretty much in your situation back in 2018 although I am 10 years younger than you are. I went on a 4 week course at "Trade Skills 4 you" that can provide you with the qualifications needed to be a competant person and register with a body. The problem is though you need 2 years working experience under your belt first where you cannot sign off work. This will need to be minor works only unless you want to fork out 300 quid at every job meaning you will be taking a significant loss in most cases. You will then have the problem of not having any reference sites for the assessor to visit so you will have to fork out the 300 quid a number of times for major works unfortunatly. Its very difficult to get registred it seems without working under another company. I would say if you are looking to get into it try and find a role in a company somewhere that pays a relatively good wage and try and stick it out until you have the 2 years under your belt and a few jobs signed off under their membership. Otherwise your not able to gain the experience needed by only doing minor works etc. Im still working for myself doing minor works and the moneys just not worth it. Im thinking of jacking it in now as I cant afford to go down in pay as a junior under a big company. Lucky for me I have a full time job and this is just a side line.
Have a look at the other reply I left for you, hopefully this will give you some encouragement. Thanks for watching.
Keep jumping through hoops and shelling cash out, all part p was ever for was to make you register your work and pay tax, whilst lining the pockets of the scheme providers.
Unfortunately Paul, there will always be hops to jump through. Thanks for watching, lots more to choose from. Dave.