The Oscar For Best Animated Movie (and why it's bad) - Eddache
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Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
1:02 - Submission
2:53 - Nomination
6:34 - Voting
14:28 - Short Film - Komedie
"Animation is for kids" is one of the saddest things people say.
Don’t show them none Asian anime inspired series where we see parents an children exploded an melt via acid dragon etc
@@senritsujumpsuit6021 reminds me how 4Kids tried really hard to turn One Piece into a kids show xd
@@dustymcwari4468 Rubber Knife
"'Animation is for kids' is one of the saddest things people say" What is sadder is animation that is seen as marketed for kids but whose styling and story arcs can be appreciated by adults = DCAU or "The Timmverse" (After Bruce Timm). There's a REA-SON a vast number of current adults let's say 25-50 consider Kevin Conroy to be the greatest version of Batman and Mark Hamell the greatest version of the Joker. Yet most so-called "real adults" would not acknowledge this having self-segregated themselves to the "live-action" films. I was 17 when the Timmverse began with Batman: The Animated Series and was entering my 30s when it concluded with Justice League Unlimited. Most people would consider that "The Standard" for which the DC Films should be based on but the suits at Warner Brothers can't get out of their own segregated thinking. I can also type out paragraphs of the vast amounts of B.S. Paul Dini delt with at WB that just adds lemon juice to the wound.
Especially from Parents.
mark my words, if Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio wins this year, he's going to roast the academy in his acceptance speech
UPDATE: it won and no, he didn't roast them... in fact the presenters were quite respectful
Which is why I don't think Del Toro Pinocchio is going to win. U indirectly roasted the people who vote for u to win at the Golden Globes. Not a smart move. It would've been smarter to save the comment for the Oscars as a) bigger stage and b) u still win the oscar. U may get black listed after that but hey they cant say u're not an oscar winner.
@@davidfitzpatrick6535 maybe not, but thankfully this is one of those years where any of these nominations could win and I would still be very happy.
For that reason and the fact I love Del Toro as a filmmaker I want him to win
@@michaelnally2841 So do I as imo (hot take coming grab ur milk) DEL TORO'S PINOCCHIO IS BETTER THAN THE 1940 DISNEY VERSION!
I hope so!
It's still so funny that they made this feature because they weren't fond of awarding regular awards for animated movies and Shrek was somehow the breaking point.
Yeah, probably because they were too lazy to figure out what to give movies from Don Bluth, anything 80s - 90s Studio Ghibli movies, or even little surprises like The Iron Giant.
And that was purely because Shrek showed the industry that Animated films could be vehicles for regular actors and live action directors instead of solely voice actors. The Oscars only exist for Hollywood to pat themselves on the back and award certain people higher pay rates for future movies
As much as I love the Shrek franchise, I agree.
@@Whiteythereaper i don't think Shrek did that i think Aladdin did
No, the cause was the decade of Disney putting out either classics or admirable mixed bags (Little Mermaid + Beauty and the Beast + Aladdin + The Lion King + Hunchback + Hercules + Mulan), AND ambitious odd movie The Prince of Egypt and the breaking point was...Chicken Run. If they had the category a year earlier, that would have been winner #1. After that, they had to go "FINE! You want Animated Features as a Category!? Here you bleeping go!"
I find it incredibly ironic that the award largely won by Disney and Pixar was created because the Academy loved Chicken Run so much.
Chicken Run was a great film
Who loved chicken run?
@@Simbala-bq5vy many many people
That shit was *b u s s i n*
@@kawaiicake8038real
those brits truly are an enigma, aren't they?
Never forget the time freaking sharktale somehow managing to get nominated for an academy award, truly one of the moments of our time .
It deserved it
That’s hilarious
Shark tales story and message are quite good but the character designs were pretty jarring. Still one of my favorite DWs movies though 😆
Boss Baby got an Oscar nomination. Boo!
I guess the goobers at the academy were feeling based that year.
The worst treatment of animation was when the animation team behind life of pi held their speech. Their studio was closed after the high animation costs (same was with the animation behind the first sonic movie). They choose to use their speech to address this issue....something the academy had none off and so their speech was drown out by the jaws theme while the whole audience laughed.
Many life action movies rely on animation especially CGI and yet the movie industry treats this medium like an unwanted stepchild
There should be a category for best CGI/motion capture to make up for this gap. I feel like every film now uses at least a little bit but that probably won't come around for many years
Yeah, like the marvel movies could qualify as animation at this point.
this genuinely sounds so fucking dystopian to me my god
And yet its (animation) the only reason most if my favorite movies exist
@@KrazyKirby15 I mean, you have all these specific categories for "all" films (but really just live action) and have a single one for animation, even though there's such a wide range of techniques and crafts that go into it, like CGI, stop motion, voice acting, character animation, motion capture/rotoscoping, etc; which makes it feel like they truly only created the category to stop animated movies from receiving the "real awards" - at this point the animation industry (including VFX artists, voice actors and such) should really focus on doing their own awards instead of trying to get recognition from someone who clearly never cared about them.
Man, as rough as animation has it with awards, what kills me is the absence of ANYTHING with stunt workers. Frustrating to no end.
Fr, they are some unsung heroes when it comes to film.
It's because it KILLS THE MAGIC urgh
Ricou Browning better get an “In Memorium”
The academy hates action movies (and horror, and sci-fi as well) so they dont add awards for stunt co-ordianators and stuntmen. The only 2 action movies that won Oscars in the last 10 years that I could think of are EEAAO and Mad Max Fury Road.
@@Aliens1337 Get out won for horror
"I have no interest whatsoever. That ended when I was 6."
JESUS CHRIST WHO HURT YOU
Moreover, why choose these type of people to nominate? It's like rich people buying an empty canvas for million of dollars and call it "modern art"
@BiBiren I bet they plan to sell that canvas for 2 million, and will get mad if it doesn't.
i think its funny that motion capture animation stopped being relevant right after they banned it from being nominated
Barbie would like to have words with you.
hmmm suspicious
Hmmm i wonder why
Avatar still going hard
Nathan Lane: "Now, I thought Monsters Inc. was a documentary on the Weinsteins."
That quote aged like a fine wine.
Everyone in Hollywood knew for years, but because they had so much influence nobody did jack, just glibly quipped about it.
@@lunaitc There's even a prominent plot point in 2000's Scream 3 where the studio head, played by Lance Henriksen, is basically a Weinstein stand in with "networking parties" mentioned as well as a bedroom with one way glass facing the bed. And that film was released by the Aholes. Meaning they probably saw the film and didn't even care about such a references. So dang sad
@@lunaitc Yeah I always assumed the shock of the Me Too movement was that he was actually held accountable (I know that's what shocked me)
The amount of short films nominated that don’t get good distribution is shocking. The Academy desperately need to start getting a programme to preserve short films better.
They need to bring back the practice of screening an animated short before a feature in theaters. As far as I know, this is currently done just by Disney and Illumination, and it’s always with other Disney and Illumination films.
@@Sailormac2Warner Bros occasionally these days
In my film studies classes, we had to take a 3-5 question test before a class discussion. This was to test who actually watched the film. The questions weren’t hard but they wouldn’t be mentioned in a standard review or plot synopsis.
For example, in Corpse Bride, Victor’s family runs a successful business. What business did they run? If you’ve recently seen the film, you’ll know they were fishmongers. Victor also encounters someone in the underworld that he is happy to see; who is it and what is their relationship? It’s his pet dog, Scraps.
What I’m saying is, send out basic quizzes of 5-7 questions (with different questions for each person) and if they get half or more of them wrong, they can’t vote (because they clearly haven’t seen the films).
Or just have every category be preferential voting like Best Picture (which is insane that it isn’t already like this).
Or just... do what they do with every other category and force them to watch all of them if they want to vote.
@@samlewis6487 ... That's _how_ they would be forcing them to watch it.
I don’t think that would work because the answers to the quiz would definitely get leaked. Granted it’s another step people have to go through and some of them won’t care enough, but it’s not a perfect solution.
Edit: spelling
@@loneaesthete7688 Then give them individual quizzes with a code. So one member could get the question off that they ordered in that scene at the restaurant while another member could get the question off whatever it was night or day when they went to that restaurant. That would make it so that it would be easier to actually watch the movie then just the remembers getting together to cheat on that quiz
@SamJNE Except it's so convoluted for no reason. Just make a rule. It doesn't need strong enforcement, nobody who would lie cares enough about animation to lie
You always know a year was bad when the best animated picture is bad
So far, when it comes to not just nominees, but also BEST ANIMATED PIXTURE winners, I only saw that happening with Brave because people would rather see a movie where a teenage girl with Firstborn Syndrome would throw temper tantrums before she takes too long to learn her lesson instead of a love letter to retro gaming with several twists and some of the best animation that could possibly be found that make it deep.
And with (November) 2006 when Flushed Away wasn’t nominated because people wanted to sleep on an Aardman gem by acting like Buc Reviewers was right to heckle at it, Happy Feet was the winner because it was much better-received by people who wanted to see American Idol with penguins that tried too hard to have realistic designs with motion capture that feels like it was done by the late Robert Zemeckis (on that topic, it’s a good thing that when it comes to ImageMovers’s best film, “Monster House” was at least nominated).
If you only count nominees instead of Best Animated Picture winners, though, even though 2004 had The Incredibles as the winner (which is very well-deserved on its own right but at the same time, one of these pieces of proof that even after they gave other studios a chance, they still latched themselves to Disney way too much. Well, as great as Shrek and Monsters Inc were, maybe they should have given Atlantis: The Lost Empire a fair chance Recess: School’s Out a fair chance in 2002), Shark Tale was nominated for an Oscar (no pun intended) even though it was too filled with negative gender stereotypes to like as a whole despite what few good things the movie may offer (like a banger of a soundtrack) instead of The SpongeBob SquarePants Movie (I know it was made by Nickelodeon which is to be expected from one of its properties, but the 2000s, for all its flaws, has got to be its best (or at least one of its less bad because they had Danny Phantom seasons 1-2, Big Time Rush (well, it started off as a show at the last couple months of the decade but carried on throughout the course of the early 2010s and with James Maslow (or in this case, Diamond)’s hair like Troy Bolton, it shows), Ned’s Declassified School Survival Guide, Avatar: The Last Airbender El Tigre: The Adventures of Manny Rivera and Invader Zim until Nick would pretend they never existed with all its malice) decade alongside the 1980s (even then, unlike PBS, I wouldn’t say it was the best channel on television, but I guess you can say that it was before Nickelodeon’s downfall really began in 1991 with Dan Schneider, John Kricfaluci and when they spoiled themselves with their own success by starting off Nicktoons with Ren & Stimpy, Doug and Rugrats).
And as great as Wallace & Gromit is, if only the Oscars would give Madagascar, Corpse Bride, Hoodwinked! and Robots a chance.
Their often not even bad just strange choices like Boss Baby was perfectly fine when it first started but now has this BS stigma because the awards
Toy Story 4 Is A Perfect Example Of That. I Hate It So Much.
@@johnpabon7535 movies not that bad though :/
@LTNetjak wait it won over that technical showcase that was Klaus animation style XD oh awards your confusing
Now that we have 2.5 generations of people (younger gen X/millennials/gen z) where animation has been an all ages affair and where we watch animation as adults and will continue to do so, it's never not annoying to see a bunch of boomers get to make regressive decisions regarding it. That said I don't get to caught up with the oscars, they don't really mean much. We all know it's hilariously corrupt and has been for a long long time.
examples to strengthen your point?
i haven't watcehd any award shows in at least 10 years, its just so fake or "glamourous" as some would put it, which is another way of saying fake
I will say I think the generations above Boomer have more appreciation for animation. They still respect the classics at the very least even if they are yelling out the new stuff... except Bluey? Old people seem to love Bluey.
Preach! There are animated features (if not shows) that get panned for simply being "animated". And the stereotypes played out on a network broadcast like the Oscars makes them look like idiots in front of said generations that know better. The true disappointment is the fact we have "The Annies" which has NEVER been broadcasted.
Adults have been watching a lot of cartoons since the 90s. I think it’s that these people are in a bubble.
It's SO WEIRD that they give so much more love to Best Animated Short Film in comparison.
Bad news, a lot of the nominees outside of Disney, Warner Bros and Pixar get atrocious film distribution and lack of film restorations.
@@thecinematicmind frrr tho thank God for the internet tho
One of the most disheartening things about the 2021 Oscars speech was the fact that it took place while animators were striking for better wages after animation kept the rest of cinema afloat, especially in writing departments, where animation writers are paid less than live action writers for the same work.
I wish nothing upon the actresses, but I hope whoever wrote the prompt steps in salty water with socks on.
who let the drunk long island aunt into the academy voting?
LOL, thanks for letting me be a part of this Eddie!
holy crap
christene’s
I appreciate the speech that Guillermo Del Toro, the director of his own version of Pinocchio, saying that Animation is for Cinema. Very powerful speech that he came up with after he won the golden globes award for his own film.
And lets not forget that, Animation is for everyone!! No matter what you may think
Anyways, great video Eddie. Keep up with the amazing work as always
Not exactly. Perfect Blue and Legend of the Overfiend is geared for adult, so is Fritz the Cat and the Danish animation Princess.
@@archangelnew And those influences still carry forward to this day. Bakshi might had been kind of nuts.... but it showed a whole generation of animators you could do something completely different. Something that can stand out more compared to doing it in live action. And him having to cut corners on production resulted in some of the most bizarre, surreal/too real, moments in cinema history. Really apt for the 70s.
@@archangelnew They meant that animation is not limited to one demographic or genre. Everyone, no matter what type of taste in movies you have, can enjoy or create animation that suits your needs.
The Oscars treat animation as a genre when it's a medium
The fact that Studio Ghibli has only won once is a travesty
I think that’s just proof of how America-centric the Oscars are at *best* and how they’re pretty much meaningless at worst.
I want to cry.
ANY Ghibli film that isn't Earwig And The Witch should have won.
@@FedoraKirb many of the Ghibli movies are pre-2000 which Oscar for animated movies haven’t exist.
It won’t change that much honestly since the only other movies that should have won was House moving castle in 2004.
Ponyo is not better than Wall-e or kungfu panda in 2008.
Secret world of arietty is not better than toy story 3 or how to train your dragon in 2010.
From up on poppy hill isn’t better than kungfu panda 2 in 2011.
The wind rises is good but frozen is so big at the time, so basically no chance for other movies in 2013.
So it won’t change much honestly.
they might lose again next year. Hayao Miyazaki is back with _How Do You Live?_ but it is competing against Disney's _Wish_ (led by Frozen team), Pixar's _Elemental_ , _Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse_ , and Laika's _Wildwood_ .
@@-Est3lle- are you implying tales of earthsea is worth anything at all?
I knew it was unfair but I didn’t realize just by how much and now I’m mad about a stupid award show >:(
People not tolerating a film because their kids enjoy it is not only a disservice to the animation medium, but also to parents. I dread to think how they come across to their own offspring.
Seriously, why are individuals with children almost never the proper kind of parents?
Hands up for who’s rooting for Guillermo Del Toro’s Pinocchio to win the Academy Award For Best Animated Feature.
Me, I'll second it..... probably won't though. Pixar and DreamWorks will probably win. Wouldn't even have a problem with it this time. Their nominations this year are really solid. Still want Pinocchio to win, but i don't have super high hopes.
Even if I liked puss in boots more than pinocchio I absolutely want him to win just to see how he roasts the Academy
🤚 I am!! :D It deserves to win ong!
@@idontwanttochooseausername Personally, I've only seen giurmo del toro's pinnochio, but it was a pretty good film. in terms animation and story.
@@idontwanttochooseausername Your right about that. But is that necessarily a bad thing? I would say No, not entirely. While creativity is encouraged, i think it's just as good to be able give us something we've seen before, but in a way we haven't seen it yet. Dreamworks is pretty good at doing that, and Disney can occasionally mix things up.
"Animation is for children"
Yes, lets let our kids watch something like family guy or hentai
Don’t show them the anime Bastard it’s sexual, violent and has aggravated music
@@senritsujumpsuit6021 but it's animated, so it must be for kids
@@bingoviini *rolls clip of Black Butler Anime only storyline where a child is manipulated by his servant an has a past of abandonment an exploitation*
@@senritsujumpsuit6021 exactly, why saying "animation is for kids" is dumb
@@senritsujumpsuit6021 the aggravated music part was funny
As much as I want Puss in Boots to win, I feel like this year needs GDT's Pinocchio just so the most obvious message can finally be heard.
(I will say this year's nominees are incredible)
If Pinocchio wins, it'll be the biggest middle finger to Disney's live action remake
@@LazyOldFusspot_3428 Ye, but tbh the Oscar’s not nominating strange world or light year despite Disney really trying to get them in. Is kind of a middle finger towards them.
tbh The Sea Beast was kinda bad but I do have to agree that all of the other nominees are awesome.
This year's nominees also include Turning Red
@@Howitgoes799 they probably couldn’t because pretty much a high percent of people didn’t like those movies
Great video. I knew the Academy's disrespect for animation was bad, but didn't realize it was that bad. It makes me really happy that I'm able to see the animated short nominees every year thanks to living in a college town and them showing them on campus. I'm still mad about Feast winning over The Dam Keeper in 2014.
Look up thesis films their so so good
"Animation is not a genre, it is a median"
Been saying this all my life
Medium
@@jerbear7952I prefer medium rare
I was surprised by two things in this video:
1. The fact that Loving Vincent was made by using oil paintings and photographed as if the animators used stop-motion techniques. It was admirable to see all that effort put into making this movie
2. Your own animation is great!
“Animation is for kids”
Anime would like to hear a word-especially berserk
I don’t know weather I want Puss in Boots to win because I liked it the most, or Pinocchio to win because I want to see Del Toro go off on everyone for not giving animation the credit it deserves
Pinocchio wins Best Feature, Puss in Boots wins Best Animated Feature. Boom.
@@muddashucka9743 That doesn't make any sense though. Best picture is All Inclusive, meaning if you win best picture, you've also one Best Animated Feature by default
I don't get the hype over puss in boots. It was an ok kids movie at best. It had a few moments but it was way over rated. Also just my opinion and im just some prick on youtube
@@jerbear7952I have with an 8 year old son. My mom called me to tell me I really need to see this movie, because she went and watched it and it was fantatsic. I did, and I loved it, and so did my kid. It also opened the door for deep conversations with my son about bravery and what it means to "be a man". Also, we talked about death and how although it's inevitable, we should fill our lives with things we enjoy and with people we love, and then we'll have no regrets in the end. Is that not pretty deep subject matter for "a kid's movie"? Sounds to me like it's just a movie that kids can also enjoy.
Great video! Thanks for letting me do a small part. 12:08 is where the magic happens (you're welcome)
Klaus losing to Toy Story 4 still hurts
Technically, that film has plenty of cliches, and the first 1/3 of that film is just cringe with pop song montages and a lead who starts off as an extremely unlikeable brat. Toy Story 4, on the other hand, has great atmosphere, a strong emotional core, and surprisingly thought provoking themes on existence and existentialism.
I thought the film’s point was partially showing the extremely unlikeable brat’s development.
@@danielwebber7517 it was good on it’s own, but it was ass as a sequel.
Toy story 3 was the perfect ending for the franchise. So bonnie just lost woodie like that? What if Andy ask where is he and she was like “huh, who?” And woody just left his friends for a chick, totally goes against the original trilogy. It was an ass ending.
@@danielwebber7517 idk how those make it less of a deserving movie for the award, especially when one of those is just The Emperor's New Groove, one that's beloved by many. Not to mention that Toy Story 4 sucks as a sequel as much as I like it. (I also feel like you're giving it too much credit, especially when it was nominated alongside HTTYD 3 and I Lost My Body)
The last time I cared about the Oscars was maybe when Rango won, but that was a fluke weak year for Disney
Rango is nice
That’s because Cars 2 came out that year💀
the moment I know this animation category is total bullshit when Big Hero 6 won against The Tale of Princess Kaguya.
I enjoyed Big Hero 6 but Princess Kaguya was definitely better
Yup big hero six are just standard disney movie
You should've mentioned Tom & Jerry's dominance throughout the 40s, winning 7 Oscars for Best Animated Short with 13 nominations
True . The only bad thing about that is that most if not all of the winners weren't the Tom and Jerry episodes where Tom won 😒.
@@markofthewolvessucks8930Okay what is this narrative with tom? One he started a lot of the conflicts, two jerry is a mouse obviously hes going to fight back and 3 i dont see a problem with jerry starting conflics as they are meant to be enemies and hate each other.
this is a really interesting video, u took a very simple subject and stretched it entertainingly
I see you everywhere in the comments, dude! Lol xD
It’s an amazing video, and is 1000000000000000000000% better than the actual Oscars. (In my opinion I give the Oscars -10000000000000000/5)
To the guy with the six-year-old who abstained, go back in the damn theater and spend time with your kid! The heck, dude.
Academy: ‘Animation is for kids, especially Disney!’
Who Framed Roger Rabbit: Hold my beer…
WW2 Disney
Eh, I could still see some people thinking that is though even if that movie is pretty adult at times. Akira, Ghost in the Shell, Princess Mononoke, South: Park: the movie and stuff like that are more undeniable examples.
@@mattwolf7698 good point. I just like Roger Rabbit so much, especially the Toon Patrol!
Roger Rabbit is a movie that is targeted towards kids.
@@thomasffrench3639 but many assume it must mean little kids but stuff like the end scene of that movie an Anime like Digimon get fuked up :) hey kids a scary man and here death of cuddly creatures friends
If GDT's Pinocchio wins the award, it'll be the biggest middle finger to Disney I have ever seen and I will be laughing (in a good way) if that happens.
The Last Wish clears
@@Obamacide Dunno, the Academy always seems to lean towards anything Disney or pixar, so it could go either way
While Pinocchio winning would be the best outcome, Last Wish is definitely the superior film. The characters are more likeable, the writing isn't as slow paced, it doesn't feel as "awkward" and the songs are much, MUCH better.
@@tau-5794 theres only one song.I prefer pinnochio
@@geoffreygeorge999 There's one lyrical song, and then there's all the other character themes and leitmotifs. Still better than Pinno's songs.
The way animation is treated and berated as a "kid's genre" is one of the saddest things I think about regularly, as a lover of animation
the "best animated movie" is like just making it "THE MOVIE OF THE YEAR" not taking into account style and genre.
we need the animation awards,, here are some categories:
- 2d animation
- 3d animation
- stop motion
- most groundbreaking
- visually stunning
- short
- adult/mature movie
- family/children's movie
- series
The Annie Awards have existed since the 90s
Yeag Im 28 and have no kids but I love watching animated shows (and no I dont mean the adult cartoons that for the most part are garbage imo) and movies. I don't think we can say anymore that "animated films are for kids" when tons of 20-30 year olds that don't have kids are going to the movies to see animated films.
I'm 43 and I like going to the movies to see animated movies. Haven't been going the last couple years
but I have watched some animated movies on Disney+ and cartoons on Hulu. It's too bad there's so many people
who think cartoons are for kids only. I think they're foolish honestly. They don't know it's a medium not a genre.
Adult cartoons?....What of Perfect Blue from Japan or Princess from Denmark? Rubbish?
@@archangelnew I haven't seen those. I just meant American adult cartoons such as Family guy Futurama RObot Chicken
@@davidfitzpatrick6535 Then u need to catch Perfect Blue. Apprantly Black Swan is inspired by this anime.
@@archangelnew Wait the ballerina movie with Natalie Portman? if so then I probably wouldnt like Perfect Blue as i didnt like that.
my mother refuses to watch animation and its so tiring. it just cuts our list of potential films to watch in the evenings down so much and she just refuses to aknowledge animation as a non-kids genre (EVEN WHEN SHE WILL WATCH KIDS FILMS OTHERWISE??). i wish i could shake people and make them watch Only Yesterday.
When Boss Baby 2 got nominated for an Oscar I was like nope I’m done with that
I thought it was only the first Boss Baby that got nominated.
There needs to be an Oscar for stunt work
I hope one of these years Cartoon Saloon or Ghibli finally win. They have made some of the most beautiful films I have ever seen in my life, animated or otherwise, and hopefully one day they will get the recognition they deserve.
The fact Ghibli never won anything is a crime against humanity.
Spirited Away won at least
Spirited Away won the second Best Animated Feature award.
Fr, Wolfwalkers would have for sure won 2020 over Soul if it wasn't a damn Apple TV exclusive, and people actually watched it.
@@tau-5794 Wolfwalkers is one of if not my favorite films of all time, so I feel you. It's the most upsetting loss for me in the whole history of the event. (Howl's Moving Castle should have won too but Wallace and Gromit is still a W.)
They should have an award for best childrens movie and then another for best animated movie.
Unless they changed how the animation awards work though, a lot of the nominations would be the same. I don't think that many live action kids movies come out anymore, especially as far as ones hitting theaters.
What counts as a "children's movie" might be a bit tricky. I remember reading a review of "Minions" that contrasted it with "Inside Out," which was in theaters at the same time. "Inside Out," the reviewer argued, was a sweet, smart film that could appeal to a wide range of viewers, both young and old, whereas "Minions" was "a kids' film that adults would tolerate" (in other words, the kind of thing the live-action princesses claimed ALL animated films were). To me, that sounds like a pretty accurate assessment, and I'd be leery of any categorization of films like "WALL-E," "The Incredibles," "The Iron Giant," "Zootopia," "Kubo and the Two Strings," "Moana," and "Wolfwalkers" as valuable only to children. Good stories are worth watching, even those aimed at "all audiences."
I think part of is that many teenagers stop watching animation because they're afraid to get laughed at, then grow up like that, and never see anymore animation. This a sad thing I believe is real. I am a teenager, but I'm like the opposite. I only see animation, because I just don't like live action. Live action tends to be darker (lighting, not necessarily the story), and since I have bad vision, I can rarely see what's going on. I like animation more, because it's way more colorful, and things like people flying, and doing unrealistic things, just look and feel more natural in animation. Plus, it's more expressive. You can do anything with snaimation, it's much much harder to do the same things in live action (which is why most live action has a lot of cg, which is animation). Animation is cinema.
Honestly the Oscars are a huge joke, and a shell of its former self at this point, and the sooner it goes the way of the dodo bird, the better.
That is quintessentially the Razzies.
You know, thinking back, this Simpsons episode involving the new Angry Dad short becoming so popular, it keeps earning all these awards, even beating two shorts at the very end when Bart tries to lock Homer out so that he can get the award for his creation, which one is a Wallace & Gromit parody and the other is a Pixar parody, makes a lot more sense now.
Best children's film wouldn't even be such a bad category, they just need to stop pretending that animation is exclusively for kids
That wouldn't solve the issue of considering kid's products as inferior products.
Seriously, that part annoys me nearly as much. Things we saw as kids often ended up having an important influence on us. And making something for kids may be even harder than for adults, especially if you want to treat important or relevant (to them) subjects.
Unless you actually hate children (understandable, have a nice day), you should treat products for children with extra care.
I don't think there's enough movies to support that, it would be pretty much identical to the animated list as there's not that many live action kids movies that come out now. Also if an animated movie did win that, it would reinforce that they are only for kids. And if animated movies were banned from that, the animated category would still be the same mess and there wouldn't be enough live action kids movies.
The way the Oscars have been treating the animation industry reminds me a lot of how CZcams treats gaming videos, except for the opposite reason. Where the Oscars see animation as exclusively for children and families, CZcams sees gaming as _too_ mature and not safe for brands. Either way, separating them into different categories really hurts both mediums and everyone who works on and enjoys them.
Eddache is such an underrated channel. The humor, the way he talks, and explains things is so great. I love you, Eddache. I seriously love every time you upload.
This Oscar was created due to Beauty and the Beast allegedly winning the counted vote for Best Picture in the early 90s, which outraged and surprised the Academy itself and the voters, because many of them thought that while their votes would count, there would be others that would pull the other, live-action films, away for the win. It's basically the "fuck off, you're not as good as we are" award.
Remember 1991: Remember Beauty and the Beast
EDIT: My apologies - it was Babe. 1991 gave them the veto, but 1995's Babe was the one that had them going "we can't risk a movie we actually enjoy watching winning!"
For the past few years, there is usually at least one animated film nominated which made my top 5 of the year
In turn, it’s better than at least half of the best picture nominees
This year, I haven’t seen all the animated nominees yet (looking forward to Pinocchio and Marcel) but Puss in Boots The Last Wish has become one of my new favourite FILMS in general…
And it obviously wasn’t nominated
I really hate the Oscars
When the “big industry company” trend suddenly decides to just not, apparently. Oscars are so dumb, thank gosh animation has it owns awards, because the Academy, the Emmys, they spit on animation like it hasn’t been making leaps and bounds live action movies haven’t.
Yes it was.
@@benraven9087 Not for best picture, which he probably meant.
@@Pssybartcorrect
I didn’t word it the best but I was complaining how one of my new favourite films wasn’t nominated for Best Picture despite probably being better than (at the absolute minimum) half of the nominees
@@JAProductions494 I totally agree. Puss in Boots 2 was one of the most creative and emotionally satisfying movies of last year. And I still feel kinda surprised for writing that sentence. Meanwhile Del Toro's Pinocchio was probably my second favourite movie of last year.
Animated movies have for a long time been among the highest grossing and most culturally relevant movies. Think Fantasia, Akira, Ghost in the Shell, The Nightmare Before Christmas and pretty much all of Studio Ghibli. And yet Hollywood just doesn't want to give them the same recognition as "real movies", even though they often take a lot more craft to make.
Damn, if only the academy would start to consider animation a technique instead of a genre, that would fix any blurry lines and make the Oscars more fair. But a man can only dream so far, can he?
Reminds me of the problem with the game awards each year - when theres no strict ruling (i.e. MUST have watched all films to be able to vote on the category), it simply becomes a super dull popularity contest. Hopefully this changes with the oscars, and the game awards too - pretty much every category in TGA are "which of the 2 largest most popular releases will sweep 90% of the categories" and it sucks all the fun out of it. Variety is key for these events that claim to celebrate everything the medium has to offer, yet they always ignore that for "hey disney put out a film this year that wins", or "hey playstation put out a game this year that wins".
Dear Osars, animation is a medium not a genre.
I was thinking about how Song of the sea got shunned by the academy for Big Hero Six. The animation for that film was AMAZING!! not to mention the music as well!!!!. Cartoon Saloon never get the chance in the spotlight!. I also think it was mostly becuase the film was mainly released in a few cinemas.
thank you for mentioning Lupin: The First. that is all
This is why I still say this, even a year later, The Mitchells vs The Machines deserved that award. The movie still holds up almost two years later, it's my personal favorite film of 2021 as well as my favorite animated film of the decade so far, along with GDT'S Pinnochio and Puss in Boots The Last Wish.
Now again, I don't think Encanto's a bad film but TMVTM has a lot more passion put through it, and it comes from people who love animation and wanted to create a fun, imaginative, and engaging story based off real life experiences. Animation wise it's visually beautiful and gives the vision (or in the movie sake, Katie-Vision) that it was made by a young filmmaker. It's a great inspiration to me that a film like this exists and I will keep it near and dear to my heart.
I will say and continue to say this, but animation is made for everyone *period* . It is an art form just like film and should have equal respect for it.
Bro what is this argument « it’s still holds well 2 years later » bro say that to the incredibles Beaty and The Beast Or Spirited away but not to a movie that came out 2 years ago
Also i think there needs to be a fan voted movie as well. Most award shows have this and I think it would be intresting to see what the public thinks.
Terrible idea.
@@thecinematicmind why?
@@davidfitzpatrick6535 Traditionally if the nominations are not chosen prior and it’s a free for all, it ends up messy in execution.
@@davidfitzpatrick6535 They tried it somewhat 2 years ago and it was hijacked by crazed Snyder fans voting for Army of The Dead
@@thecinematicmind fair enough but if we put in the limit (for example out of these five-ten movies what did the people think) I think it could work. IMO I'm more likely to see a movie if someone recommends it to me rather than good reviews scores from the critics because I personally believe they get paid off by the studios.
The fact that Boss Baby even gets nominated for awards like these prove that the entire system is a sham.
The "Academy" has always been a lazy group of out of touch executives and celebrities, and should no longer be recognized as an institution.
The fact that Mad God wasn’t nominated for Best Animated Feature this year should be considered a federal crime
I don’t think rotoscoping should count, it’s like tracing over a picture as a kid, easier to animate but not really keeping in the actual “animation”
My great uncle was apart of the Academy, and the piles of cds and VHSs he got in the mail was absurd! There’s no way that he could watch them all, especially while he was actively show running at the time
It was nice to hear Guillermo del Toro tell people in his BAFTA speech that he wants people to start seeing animation as an art, not just for kids. The celebrities all seem to look down on animation as 'for kids'.
I don't mind if either GDT's Pinocchio or Puss in Boots The Last Wish would win, I just want Turning Red to lose!
The Sea Beast definitely deserves more love. Thoroughly enjoyed it!
Thanks, also, for mentioning I Lost My Body, which is also grossly underappreciated.
Tbh the nominations this year are pretty good. Agree with everything said tho.
This has one easy solution... just add a new topic being Best Uniquely Animated. That's the thing with it, how these incredible works of art aren't getting anywhere close, just by uncovering the most difficult as well as polished out of the more unique animations. That is ALL we need.
Another thing related to animation I wish got more attention is voice acting. From what I understand, technically, VAs can be nominated for best actor/actress, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a VA nominated, but it would be nice to see it getting more respect along side animation.
AND hopefully by then, we’ll see PROFESSIONAL voice actors be recognized for their work and not remained overshadowed by A-Listers who are cast mostly because of their name and that they get the butts in the seats. (Though I do like Robin Williams, Mike Myers, and JK Simmons.)
@@dorothyallspice1862 yeah, on screen actors can make great voice actors as well. Mark Hamill and Robin Williams are great examples of people who can do both. On the other hand, there are also actors who just think it’s “just talk in the mic right?”. It’s one of the reasons I wish it got a category so it could at least start to get more respect.
@@mirramirraonthewall Exactly! That’s what I was saying in the parentheses.
All I know is that if The Super Mario Bros. Movie is not nominated for Best Picture next year, heads will roll...
Imagine if that attitude extended to other art. "pffft paintings are for kids, adults look at photographs".
12:15 It really is sad that people who don’t take animation seriously usually have that same sort of mindset.
I think it should be like this. Have a Best Animated Movie category and a Best Live Action Movie category. They then take those two winners and whichever one got more votes or whatever wins the Best Picture Award.
Eddache’s entire review of Best Animated Winners is so much better than how the Oscars actually does it.
Personally, I hope Puss in boots wins best animated feature but I will be no less happy if Pinocchio wins as it seems to be the clear favorite.
the last wish did more to furtherr animation, we all know the GDT can do gods work, but dreamkworks made something special here
I hope it’s a tie. It can happen.
Animator here: Literally every animated film ever uses live-action footage as reference. It's a core part of the animation process. So if you argue a film like Rango should be disqualified, so should every animated film ever made.
EDIT: You weren't arguing that it should be disqualified, only raising the question, which I think has a pretty decisive answer.
Did you think I was suggesting it should be disqualified?
@@eddache I might've worded it poorly. Early on, when discussing which movies should qualify for the Oscars, you mentioned mocap and rotoscoping, giving arguments pro and con. But then you said something like: "What about animated movies that use live-action footage as reference, like Rango? Should they be disqualified?"
So yeah, it's less that you were arguing it and more that you said there was an argument to be made there. And I was just pointing out that using live-action footage as reference can't possibly call into question whether the film counts as animated, because all animation uses it.
Sorry, my original comment was unintentionally misleading, I'll edit it.
Thank you for this - you explained very clearly why Japan has been nominated for so few of these awards despite their place in animation history. It’s a shame that animation is STILL regarded as something produced by big American companies to entertain kids, despite the fact that both anime and Adult Swim have been popular since the ‘90s.
The reputation adult animation has really annoys me. When I hear anyone refer to adult animation it's most likely they're talking about comedy shows like family guy (which imo isn't really funny, but each to their own). And then whenever an overprotective "animation is for kids" parent watches an animated movie for an older audience they'll just dump on it because it's "too violent for my little Timmy" or something like that (take the film 9 for example. It's rated a 12 currently on netflix yet when it released parents started crying because it was too scary for kids)
The funny thing is, anime can be considered both adult and kids animation yet no one batters an eye about that
At the end of the day, we should just open a best children's film category for all of the boring parents out there who just look at what Timmy has watched the most on his Disney+ account
Agree. The segregation part has been a long-standing burr with me (This is for kids only-This is for adults only). I would say 70-80% of good, legit animation actually falls in the middle (the "PG" and "PG13" wavelength). When creators think in a cinematic mindset, you get great stuff like Batman: Mask of the Phantasm or Wolfwalkers. Same for great TV serials like Avatar: The Last Airbender and the Owl House. When people think in a classification mindset, you get dumb, unwatchable crap like Brickleberry, Paradise PD, The Lovebugs, and that one show about puberty. Of course, those tend to be produced by stand-up comics who can't get past dick jokes but on the flip-side of the coin, the stuff that is produced directly for kids can be just as bad if not worse (looking at you updated Muppet Babies).
That was a really funny and clever way to do the patreon read. mad respect for that.
It’s sad that movies like “Spirited Away” are the exception and not the rule in regards to this award.
By far the best video I've seen on this subject!! So well broken down and really like your suggestions for improving it!
Eddie, your videos always amaze me with how concise they are while still ensuring that all the information is understandable and deep
I love you for making this video. You articulated so well what makes me so furious about the contempt people that are supposed to be expert in cinema have for animation.
The fact that it would take a miracle for an animated movie to win best picture says it all.
When I hear someone saying "I don't watch cartoons, I'm an adult" I can only think how sad and insecure you have to be to deny yourself of such amazing art form for thinking it's not mature or smart enough.
There are many good examples of animated movies that are not even appropriate for kids, but I think the most obvious one Is Sausage Party. How can you say animation is for children after watching a food orgy?
Seeing the "best animated feature" category being done this dirty is so frustrating considering how well done the aminated shorts category is
I like the fact that all three main favorites this year (Pinocchio, Puss in Boots and Turning Red) does have more adult theme like conflicts in family, life and death, or even dictatorship. I think that can really help this year.
ughhh i want the pinnochio sweep but I also equally want puss in boots to win at least something, the tragedy of two top tier films coming out the best year
I will never forgive Happy Feet for preventing Cars, my favourite animated movie of all time, from winning the Best Animated Movie award when it doesn't properly count.
Cars was snubbed. Same with Cars 3....
Yep, definitely a troll here
@@rsj2877 you think happy feet deserved the Oscar ?
Brilliant again; these video essays are some of the best on CZcams, being a stellar combination of informative and entertaining. Please keep up the work.
Let's be real, the academy isn't going to see animation as anything other than a kid's genre, when it is actually a beautiful art form, and I don't like that fact. It's sad most people see animated, and after insulting any glimpses, attempts or starting efforts of trying to be mature, and then say it's something for adults to endure and groan about rather than enjoy. I have seen beautiful, and funny, and dramatic animated shows, and even some children's animation with mature discussion and undertones of real-life issues. But until we stop the studios who churn out bad kids shows for easy money for the studio, and make more things that are labors of love (which most companies will try to shoot down for some reason anyway) the people like those actresses and Amy bloody Schumer will continue to make those comments about good media. Sad to see
I do wanna make a point about how 3D animated films use live action references, it's safe to say 95% of all 3D animated shots (I can't speak for 2D animations) in films are first acted out by the animator. It's just how the pipeline of work is done as it makes the animation process so much easier, of course there are some amazingly skilled animators that don't need this step but that's the basic workflow.
These are so well researched and put together, well done mate!
This is only tangentially related to this video but here i go anyway, ive been disillusioned with animation for awhile, i manly consume anime series but will sprinkle in other stuff here and there but this video has honestly given back the magic of animation in my eyes, i didnt even know about alot of the shows u showed on screen and that made me think abt my past with animation, whether it was me watching ghibli films with my family, holding back tears from a silent voice and wolf children, crying my eyes out at angel beats, thinking about my mortality from the new Pinocchio or as far back as seeing kill la kill on adult swim late at night to only watch it years later and love it and even rewatch it, animation is special despite not looking like me or being exaggerated we can connect to these characters, worlds, stories, and for a brief moment think its all real and it just gives u the feels, and good the work and ambition of all the ppl who worked on these amazing works just fells me with emotion, i cant believe they're treated so horribly on this professional level, not to mention the deadlines studio meddling etc and even on a smaller level of ppl thinking its just for kids or whatever it makes me angry, god im glad to be alive
Shot out for my boys João Gonzalez and Bruno Caetano for representing Portugal this year in the animated short film category, would be really cool if they won
12:20 this one actually depressed me
"Sad, strange little man."
This man clearly had a bad childhood.
If he didn't, then he would atleast SIT with his SON for an hour or two.
seeing this kinda disregard for one of if not the most creative art mediums makes me want to cry
I'm still indignant over the loss of "Wolfwalkers," among the top animated films of the entire 21st century. It angers me even more that a large percentage of voters probably didn't even bother to watch it.
High-quality animated films -- even the ones ostensibly "for kids," because after all, shouldn't young people have quality entertainment targeting them? Isn't a well-told story something we should value, regardless of target audience? -- are consistently among my favorite films each year. Academy voters' high-handed dismissal of them hurts.
In my head a movie is a movie, regardless of what medium it uses.