The Game Kobe Took Himself Out of the GOAT Conversation
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I know this a touchy subject for us Kobe fans , but I think this game was the start of the "Kobe's not close to MJ" narrative.
What do you think???
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SWISHOUT Lebron had a worse game
If this ended the Kobe GOAT debate then Lebrons 2011 finals performance should end his debate as the GOAT cause I still think Kobe’s the GOAT lol btw great video
My man Kobe had Zero help, what would MJ do without pippen and rodman
Roscoe Voorhees this vid literally had nothing to do with Lebron.
this has nothing with vidoe but The group looks so weird without Shaq
I think Jordan had the benefit of his career not being under a microscope like modern players tbh
Yeah
This too. Imagine how SAS and all those analysts busting MJ's lifestyle.
Jordan was under a microscope people just don't remember
@Gabby85 THANK YOU! Either they weren’t born yet,don’t remember or just don’t know. The media was all o er Jordan’s ass like how it was on both Kobe & LeBron’s ass when they all started out.
@@85gmb1 exactly he had some of the same criticisms about just being about himself and scoring not being a winner
Kenny Smith said it best... no matter what Kobe did, they would criticize. The pout game did hurt, but he got his revenge
Preach
Revenge against who???
@@idkijs435 the folks who said he couldn't carry a franchise, couldn't win without Shaq, etc
@@Meazygrindhard I'm not sure I fully agree
@@ostrich6175 SMH... Go back to the PewDiePie vids
I hate that people talk about 81 as if that was was the greatest game Kobe had.. this man out scored a whole team through 3qtrs when he dropped 62 on Dallas
I remember that 🤣🤣
His 65 game in POR was prob my fav game from his. Those highlights are ridiculous
M EganTV that game was rediculous, I remember the strip on Roy and threw it in from halfcourt he was so hot ...the spinning ballerina 3 from the corner man he hit some shots
@@MeechYaboy
81 points ? ? Kobe has only one 40 point game in all 7 Nba Finals, on 47%
where 60 points when it matters ? ?
Allan Houston you don’t have to score 40 in the finals to win obviously
Kobe: *takes 35 shots*
Media: BALL HOG
Kawhi Leonard: *takes 39 shots*
Media: best player in the league
Kobe: *visible confusion*
(This is just a joke, it wasn’t mean to be taken serious but thanks for all the likes and comments, have had a lot of good laughs)
Because Kawhi is efficient and he can get his 2nd finals mvp at age 27 while KOBRICK has to get his in his 30’s.
Aaron Gordon u cringy
Aaron Gordon You do know Kobe shot almost 20% higher than kawhi in that comparison. Right? And that Kobe had 3 championships at age 24. Right??? You just look dumb
jonathan bailey you look dumb. I mentioned FINALS MVP not championships. Thank SHAQ for getting him those 3 rings. Also when Shaq left he said kiss my ass and won a ring with Miami while Kobe got SWEPT by the SUNS
Kawhi takes smarter shots but this era is completely different in terms of spacing so it's hard to say
Judging a player's legacy on 1 game.
Seems legit.
G L C its the same for Lebron the 2011 final put a stain in his legacy and people always use it against him
@@mondrayredas2004 I can think of more than a game for LeBron
@@StrengthOfSamson45 can you give me an example of another game in the playoff when Lebron didn't show up
Welcome to the LeBrons
Mondray Redas 2009 against Boston
Kobe already explained it. He said the game plan was to get his teammates involved so they would be more intuned on defense. He knew he couldn’t outscore the Phoenix team by himself so he sacrificed his stats to try and win. I think this would help show how dedicated he was to winning more so than hurting him in the goat conversation.
Israel Parker lbj always got criticized for the same thing...
Just eh?? He averaged 27, 8,8, on 51% shooting and that’s eh??
Exactly...Kobe's game plan was genius his team was just trash
Mj did the same thing once, but no one talks about that in a negative way
@@lukemacapugay807 casual fan
In a wierd way I kinda respect what he did.
They were the 7th seed, they ain't winning a chip, it's game 7 so his team is gonna play their absolute hardest.
He could not have more clearly stated, "this team, playing at their absolute best, is completely terrible without me, quit bitchin"
In a weird way, he also proved the point ... you want me to stop shooting, i would do that, but you will still complain .. and i will do whatever i want going forward lol
So we just ignore them being up 3-1 when the team was involved. Kobe starts stat padding and they lose the series lol. The only reason he stop shooting is cause he saw last minute he truly fuck up lol
this is tha game i gained tha mos respect for kobe
he literally showed y’all wat would happen if he didn’t shoot tha ball a lot
Iysoh tha Holy Ghost FACTS
Iysoh tha Holy Ghost Respect? If this is what a man would do to his teammates to prove a point, then he doesn’t deserve your respect. Go out and prove you’re great by your play, not by the impact of you not being there.
@@Name-fd2co He did that. His teammates didn't wanna help afterwards.
Alex7henry exactly niggas ain’t getting touches now you expect them to make everything when u decide u dont want to shoot today
Alex7henry he did that his whole career..... people complained regardless of what Kobe did ..... He finally did what everyone complained he doesn’t do enough of and everyone loses their mind
So we're comparing the 2006 Lakers that Kobe dragged to the playoffs to the 2019 Raptors? Good one
Max Kellerman recently compared the 06 Lakers to the 2020 championship favorites Clippers too. That's why I choose to listen to the players that actually know what they're talking about because they've been on the floor instead of the media. And I'd say 90% of them have Kobe in their top 5 if not top 3.
Kobe trolled everyone with this game. He shot too much “he’s selfish” he didn’t shoot enough “he’s selfish”. There’s no winning. I’ll give him that one.
Amazingly Kenny said the same thing before I even knew he was gonna say it.
Wasn't he paid to be a professional hoops player? So, you're supporting him because he proved a point by tanking in a game seven? Not one other player in the goat conversation would even consider such a thing.
“I love Kobe to death” hits different 😔
He gave Kobe his flowers while he was here.
People like to point out that the MJ slander would've been astronomical if social media existed back when he played. But the thing about him is, he actually sought out criticism for motivation. That's where mental toughness comes into play. Hence, one could imagine the fire that social media would've lit under him and the amount of revenge games he would've put out.
Basically Jordan Uses "That's When It Became Personal" Card LOL
@Curly Que Where the slight comes from is the key here. Jordan used to scan through newspapers just to try to find any kind of criticism. With social media, he would not have to look hard.
That oversized suit Kenny is wearing, damn!
Ha Basketball players and suits never seem to go hand in hand.
Éamonn MacCionnaith KLove ?
I don’t think 1 game can decide a whole players career retrospective, especially in a playoff game
Sauce 2:50 what are you talking about if anything a playoff game defines true players
@@toocold6108 playoff games, plural, one game shouldn't define how good someone is
@@swaglikevana I completely agree with you. But Kobe still wouldn't have surpass MJ. But, in my opinion, he's pretty locked in for #2 all time best.
Luis Valdez lebron sir
James Tatum Yep Lebron is not doubt better than Kobe, and he passed him a while ago. Lebron literally has better everything except free throw % and rings.
Kobe fans need to get out of their emotions and realize he was surpassed.
You can win 16 rings back to back and 6 mvps and people will still say that Jordan better
They would be wrong if a basketball player did something like that
Zack Fair he didn’t mean that literally
Well Jordan Is Undefeated In The Finals So He Kinda Is!
^what about the other years when he lost in the playoffs though. Those are technically Ls
@Michael Barry playoffs get a team to the finals though.
For modern players, MJ has the most watertight argument for being the GOAT.
Yep so yo be better you have to beat that rather than these arguments where people try to lower the bar or make up new criteria
@@fury_021 bill russell
@@fury_021 yea
@@fury_021 i would rather have 11 championships than 6. I think any player would.
@@fury_021 but lebron still hit more clutch shots then jordan or kobe. and still didnt have any teams like that bulls team. he is also undefeated in the first round and had the most games leading in points rebounds and assists in the playoffs by A LIGHT YEAR
MJ will always be the goat due to his era and the way he was marketed.
I men the GOAT is entirely subjective but i think the only valid options for the GOAT debate is MJ, Kareem, LeBron and some others with valid cases are Magic and Tim Duncan.
Tim duncan......
Don’t disrespect Duncan.
@@thetruth4654 Undertaker Is The GOAT Of Wrestling Bar None If Anyone Who Knows Who Undertaker Is Knows That Taker Is The GOAT
Technology the media makes the player at this point, so with that being said whoever the media says is the Goat that person is going to be considered the goat by people. Like imagine if the media was a thing when Jordan was in the league, there wouldn’t even be a goat conversion it’d be him and nobody else
This man said took himself out of the Conversation 😂🤦🏽♂️ didnt take himself out the Conversation ppl just nvr will put anyone above Micheal
Both CAN be true
Kobe is absolutely no close to the goat. Tim duncan is ahead of him
@@MrBarborosa 😂😂😂😂 goat to laugh at yo opinon Cuz that was funny...good joke
Y’all bugging Brian scalabrine is the goat. The disrespect
Everyone's under LeBron's wing 🐦 Bron's 🐐 no questions asked
Haven’t watched the video yet but I’m guessing game 7 of the 2006 first round between the Suns.
Edit: I was right, had a feeling. This is the only game I have seen Kobe be so passive. It was weird to say the least.
Nobody mentions the level of competition that western conference had.
Prime Duncan
Prime Garnett
Prime Nowitzki
Prime Tmac
Prime Nash
Dont even get me started
you're right.. but riddle me this, who else won a ring aside from Tim during that time ????? soooo....don't get me started..
@@lablueguy2000 well tim and Kobe won 10 combined, but Dirk also won as well.
@@ComPTonRiLLO errr dirk won the title in 2011. when kobrick was past his prime..sheessshhh , go back to primary school mr. 9 years old.
@@lablueguy2000 you disrespect a legend with some elementary insult and I'm the 9 year old 🙄
Go check what year dirk was drafted and Kobe. They from the same era
@@ComPTonRiLLO DIRK.....WON......THE ......RING......IN......DRUMROLL PLEASE........................................................................................................2011. now go back to primary school. imbecille
You know you're early when the video hasn't reached 1k views
i mean duh
Kobe lost to a much superior team and managed to take them to 7 games. Those Lakers had no business competing with the Suns.
MJ was losing to a lot of superior teams early in his career for same reasons Kobe was losing.
If there was anything to remove Kobe from the GOAT conversation, its not this series.
And how did you not notice what Kobe was trying to do?
What got the Lakers the 3-1 lead was Kobe not shootin a lot of shots and focusing on getting his teammates involved and playing more defense.
In the Game 6 he scores 50 and loses.
In Game 7 he scores 20 in the first half efficiently and is down 20. Clearly from his perspective taking a lot more shots wasn't working, so he was trying to revert back to their previous game plan and it just didn't work.
"Took them to 7 games" they were up 3-1 💀💀💀💀
facts tho
secondpink does it really matter? He’s still not the goat.
@@danielperu8536 up 1-1 up 2-1 up 3-1 doesnt matter the team never had a chance. Im surprised they even won 3 games. Normally a great player vs a great team will win you 1 game, anything more is pushing it.
secondpink facts
I will always respect Kobe for this game because he proved how bad his team was
JOOSHY GAMING ikr he proved his point
So taking advice from people who want to see you fail gained respect from you? By him proving the point it costed his team. He took 3 SHOTS the entire second half and blamed teammates for not making shots when they weren't getting touches all series. This game showed the difference between Jordan and Kobe. Jordan proved the haters wrong every single time. Made them look silly. Kobe listened to haters and costed his team the series. Kobe is no where near Jordan. I'm going as far as to say hes as big of a quitter as lebron. He was never in the GOAT conversation.
John Anthony Butler yes
John Anthony Butler man stfu what are u talking about the man was carrying his team and they were complaining about his shot selection so he gave them what they wanted which is the ball and proved how trash his team was. I’ve seen lebron literally have a meltdown on court and just quit on his team in the finals and the game was going into ot. It don’t get no worse than that... You’re clearly biased
aR Capo kobe never lift a team
Media hate me but all the nba legend knows who i am
Rip
Rip
The GOAT Black Mamba
Lebron slander incoming
Daniel Peru Meh, people are waking up, I saw it happen to Kobe. Both of them are my favorite player of all time, Bron 1A and Kobe 1B, but both fall short of the top 5. Subjectively speaking. Btw, the LeBron narrative kinda deserves this reality check because he’s been the media darling.
Samuel Gonzalez lmao at lebron being a media darling they stir more false narrative than positives
@@samuel2pac72 If lebron is not in your top 5. You're either a hater or just ignorant
Wipexherxdry faxs Lebron is Top 3 for sure (1,2, or 3 depending on who you talk to) if he’s not even in your top 5 then ur blind
Drew Biggah bruh chill
I was a celtics fan through all those years and still am but I’ve always had a lot of respect for kobe and admired his greatness as a player
Same my guy!
Good video but a few points I want to address:
1. Kobe in the 1st half shot 8-13 for 23 points and they were down 15. Phil went to kobe at halftime and said they need to get other guys involved. If you remember that entire series they got other guys involved and had a more balanced approach which is why they had a 3-1 lead to begin with. During the regular season kobe averaged 40+ against the suns and they still lost 3 out of their 4 games. In fact the only game they won, Nash sat out.
2. Kobe in his tnt interview with Charles mentioned that going up against the suns they needed to get others involved. These were the Dantoni suns of 7 seconds and less so kobe scoring a bunch of points just feeds right into their fast break free flowing offense. They were trying to slow the pace down by pounding the ball inside. If they were going up against a different team who played at a slower pace I’m sure kobe would have been much more aggressive.
3. Michael Jordan shot 8 times for an entire playoff game in game 5 of the 1989 ecf against the pistons. To put that into context Doug Collins after game 4 said they needed to get other guys involved and Michael pouted and took 8 shots. This was before social media and the internet so everyone forgets.
With all that being said kobe definitely deserves a fair level of criticism for that game 7 performance. Being a huge Kobe fan one of the things that drove me crazy about his games is that he would get into these extreme modes and stick with it. There would be countless games where he would spend one half just passing and not shooting at all. Then he would spend other half’s shooting damn near every time he touched the ball. He’s done this countless times throughout his career but everyone brings up that game 7 because of the magnitude. Jordan had a much more balanced approach and had a great feel of when to be aggressive and when to get others involved. Phil has alluded to this in a few interviews. Everybody singles out that game 7 to diminish his legacy but for every all time great (even Jordan) you can point out a game or games that were aberrations. It happens. That game didn’t put kobe out of the Goat conversation. Michael was just simply a better basketball player point blank period.
I love how unbiased u are
Kobe Bryant could''ve had the best game of his career in that game 7, scored 101 points and won, it still wouldn't change the fact that MJ is the GOAT.
LETS NOT FORGET THAT KOBE KEPT THE LAKERS FROM GETTING SWEPT IN 04.
WHO CAME THRU IN THE CLUTCH OF GAME 2?? WHO LED THE WAY IN OVERTIME?? It wasn’t Shaq, Malone or Payton..
And if you expected (back in 06) for the 7th seed lakers to beat the 2nd best team in the NBA in 5, please reply to me because I’m having a hard time believing anyone expected Kobe and the lakers to win that series with that squad. That’s like expecting the clippers to beat the warriors after they lost game 5 this year.. cmon bruh. Y’all can’t be serious 😂 the suns were clearly the better team from the jump but since it’s Kobe with no squad, he’s expected to win. Lebron literally still gets coddled for getting swept in 2007 and 2018 because of the team that was around him but Kobe gets no pass. It’s Kobe so even if the lakers are the 8th seed with only 30 wins somehow, Kobe is supposed to win no matter how bad the team is. Lol
MrAVGNdude he also is the reason they lost the series in 04 too 🤣🤣🤣🤣
MrAVGNdude no one expected them to win at first but if you up 3-1 you are now expected to win.
Yea Kobe shot HORRIBLY in the series against the Pistons.
He was a main contributor to them losing vs Detroit and the PHX series for sure... you hit it right on the nail... Kobe my guy tho. If he didnt get injured the season with the Achilles he would of had a marvelous season maybe even legacy enhancing
If Shaq was the best player on the team how is it Kobe fault.
watching this made me love kobe
I loved this game and made me love his gameplay more .
tre Johnson *blows a 3-1 lead*
There is no definitive GOAT, every generation in the NBA has a GOAT. MJ had his time Kobe had his and Lebron got his 🤷🏾♂️
This
You're right. You can't compare eras.
Anyway, Wilt Chamberlain was the one that dominanted the most his rivals. Sadly for him, he had bad coaches and teammates disappearing in the Finals... And had to go through the greatest dynasty ever assembled.
here is my personal list of every best player in every decade in my personal opinion
1950s george mikan
1960s bill russell
1970s karrem abdul-jabar
1980s magic johnson
1990s mj
2000s kobe
2010s lebron
2020s zion williamson
Duncan??
This is stupid. Having a GOAT for each generation just makes the title of GOAT meaningless
Thanks, I will keep my spirits high!
R.I.P. Kobe and everyone
The thing with MJ (as much as I love him) is that he can never be surpassed because people just pave over his greatest failures. No one talks about how he was swept in the first round three years in a row and was 1-9 in the playoffs before Scottie...no one talks about how the bulls won 55 games without him in 94 and were robbed by the refs from going to the ECF... no one talks ab when he did come back how Shaq and penny bounced him out of the second round..no one talks about the Washington years and how he ruined kwame brown( who looked promising). This is why Jordan for the mean time and for long in the future will remain the goat because time covers over those failures
Everyone talks about that. Everyone also accepts that he was facing extremely tough competition back then. 6 chips > 1-9 in playoffs
yoshatabi no one talks about it ever trust me I would know...Michael Jordan is loved more than anyone and his fans cover up his faults...people may talk about it but he’s not criticised for it when players like lebron are criticised for less
@@areeshkirmani4013
Wizards ? ?
Jordan, 40 years old, has average more rebound, steals and block than a 32 year Kobe .
Michael Jordan an average: 21-ppg FG-43% 6 rpg 4.4 apg 1.5 stl 0.5 blk 2 tov.
Kobe at 32 years an average: 25-ppg FG-45% 5 rpg 4.7 apg 1.2 stl 0.1 blk 3 tov.
1-9 ? ? In the season 1985-1986 Mj was injured. 1986 Celtics Nba champion, 1987 reached the Final.
1986 EFCR Jordan vs Celtics ( Roster: 5 players from the Hall of Fame )
Jordan an average: 43-6-6-2 FG-51%.
1988 EFCR Bulls vs Cavs Bulls Win.
Jordan an average: 45-6-6-3-1 FG-57%
Pippen an average: 10-5-2-1 FG-47%
Debilowi nie przetłumaczysz...
Kwame Brown promising💀. Bad argument. Same as saying his comeback season was bad because they got bounced in 2nd round. What happened the three seasons after when he actually played with the team for more than a couple months?
That Mark Jackson comment was made at *halftime* of the Suns buzzer beater game, I wonder what Mark said on the postgame…
If Kobe doesnt belong in the goat conversation with MJ then no one does.
Lebron, Hakeem, Duncan, Shaq ? ?
Nah. Kobe is not number 2 ever, which is what your comment implies.
@@allanhouston6759 hakeem and shaq doesn't have a goat resume
@@woketv781three finals MVPs?
Just discovered your channel. One of the better ones. I subscribed. But honestly I can 20 moments Kobe never was in the GOAT conversation.
That's my problem with the Jordan story, it wasn't perfect. HE PLAYED MORE THAN 6 SEASONS. Everybody talks about 6-0. He played before 91, and after 98
Jermaine Polite 6-0 in the finals, not overall
Mj is like James Bond in the finals always ready, but overall basketball body of work LeBron is the Goat.
Nah mj has more accolades in less time
@@joshliggins2260 facts
@@Tethloach1 LeBron's body of work is 3-6 in the finals😂😂😂
RIP Kobe💜💛💜💛
R.I.P Kobe he was my MJ aka my goat😓😥😓
I remember those days when Kobe and Iverson were just two ballhogs for most people. He asked for a trade that summer too. He learned the hard way how took a team full of bums was hard physically and mentally, he didn't want that anymore. Kobe is in my personal top 3 ever, but I respect Iverson more on that point 'cuz he always treated his teammates like basketball players without throwing them under the bus. Kobe still a legend anyway, nobody is perfect, not even MJ.
samuel morrison Kobe was never a ball hog.
samuel morrison . Wrong....mj was perfect...6 championships without even needing a 7th fu@#$ng game during that period..nba perfection!!
Wilt is perfect, Bill Russell is perfect, and Oscar Robinson is perfect
@@Ellis1993 he wasn't exactly the most selfish player either. I don't blame him or whoever took shots when necessary, but that was what people said of him until the Lakers gave him a team to compete for a ring.
@@abraxasvoice440 MJ wasn't able to pass the 1st round of playoffs until Pippen get there. MJ wasn't able to win a title until the others dynasties ended(Bird Celtics, Showtime Lakers). Still the GOAT tho.
Jordan (Greatest Career) Kobe (Greatest Player, Most Skilled Offensively) LeBron (Greatest Talent, Freak of Nature). It’s not that hard
E BO 81. 62 in 3 Quarters. 4 50 point games in a row. Best footwork for a guard. Makes the toughest shots. Kobe is a copy of Jordan, but he goes up against tougher defenders so he gets the edge. Kobe is the most skilled player ever. Gtfo of here with Larry Bird lol
This is why he's my favorite player of all time.
Kobe Bryant is my all time favorite NBA/basketball player.
Same
2k17 nostalgia from the music
Border Jumper That was 2 years ago and the game wasn’t that good not really nostalgic but I get what you’re saying 😂🤣
Make a vid about lebron taking himself out of the conversation cuz bron has done worse than Kobe here
The Journey *cough* 2011
Miami Heat vs Boston Celtics game 6 2012 eastern conference finals
Shut up lebronsexual. Jordan is the goat.
Achyut Badri crazy thing is Kobe’s my favorite player of all time and I know Jordan is the goat 😂 but hey go off
@@_The_Journey I was talking to James Escondo. Not you.
Dope vid
Kobe is the goat of my childhood basketball memories. MJ is amazing. I saw him embarrass Russell with his final shot (as a bull). I saw him destroy anyone he came across. Kobe was ruthless, and carried the Lakers.
people think curry has changed the game but forget what mj really was back in the day. he will always be the goat and one tier above everyone else. even if mj played in todays era, he would still be the best player and it wouldnt be close
Momen Khan in today’s era he would get clapped
What MJ did and what curry did is different
MJ is goat though
Deepak Chaulagain I didn’t say curry was good💀 all he can do is shoot no defense no handles no nothing
oh they really bout hate you for this one but its a great vid
1 game determines somones greatness very accurate ......
the media love praising Kobe and saying we miss him but they were the ones trashing him and his career during his playing days
People forget that game 7 Kobe had 22 in the first and his team was still down 15 at the half. He decided to go back to the game plan that helped win them those 3 games in the series but his teammates didn't come through. Besides, this game didn't take him out the goat convo bc most hoop heads understand how weak those Laker teams were.
Can you imagine if somehow that year it was Lakers v Heat... amazing
RIP Kobe the 🐐😤
Kobe 4 all time in my oppinion RIP legend
I got him a arguably at between 9 or 10. Realistically 11 or 12. It isn't who'll win a 1on1 make it take it game. It's a totality of a guys game. Wilt,Russell,Kareem,Jordan, Magic, Bird,Olajuwon, Shaq,Duncan, Lebron. Who you taking out that top 10. What about Moses Malone (who I got battling Kobe for the #11 spot.), Baylor, Oscar Robertson, Dr. J, Jerry West, Isaiah Thomas. Who like Kobe all have a legit argument for top 10 status. But top 5 fa Kobe? That's fanboy shit.
Kobe didn’t quit, He was labeled selfish and proved his teammates was trash and what did he do in 2008-2010? 3 straight finals appearances an MVP (should be more) and 2 championships.
He was selfish tho
He did quit lol. He shot 3 shots in the second half of game seven. Obviously to prove a point but the goal is to win at all costs.
mrxking1 when he don’t pass the ball he’s selfish, when he do, he’s selfish... He wanted to get his teammates more involved and his teammates failed. He didn’t quit
YoungKing Killmunga block out the noise and keep pushing. The media pushes whatever narrative that gets the most views.
mrxking1 Phil Jackson defended him saying he was just following the game plan and Kobe said it was the get the rest of the team going and he has done it before and it worked but his team was too garbage to show up in the playoffs
Big fan of Kobe too, but I have the Black Mamba at #6 all-time.
MJ will always be considered the goat because everyone is used to being the best they dont want someone elseto go down as a goat
RIP Kobe
I also think since Jordan was da first to ever be dat great so he his always gonna be da best cuz no one ever seen someone like him ever before if Kobe had been first before Michael dey would definitely be calling him da goat n defending him da way dey defend Michael Jordon ! Fax
ItzJuug i May have gotten a stroke reading this
No, this doesn't make any sense.
Blah blah blah Kobrick is not top 10. Jordan Goat
No. First of all Kobe couldn't come before Jordan because he literally copied him. So without Jordan, we don't have Kobe. Second of all, Jordan was just an all around better more dominate basketball player
21 year old Lebron finishes ahead of 27 year old Kobe in MVP voting. That’s tuff.
Who got more rings
Kid GI B who has more final MVPs
Its bs is what it is. Nash and lebron stole mvps from kobe. At that time it was the who was the best player not named kobe award.
Yasin Lebron average 27 and Kobe averaged 35 Kobe should of won it the only reason he didn’t win cause he get so much hate he should of won 3 more mvp
Same 0 You Dumb AF 🤣
Who’s watching after Kobe’s death😩💛💜
A bit too late dude
This video showed me why Kobe is the goat 🐐
Simple :
He did at the wrong time. And he should have just first simply replied the criticism with manner.
He did it at the BEST time...it brought him Pau Gasol
Up 2-1 against the Detroit Pistons Michael Jordan took himself out out of the GOAT conversation by shooting the ball 15 and 8 times in game 4 and 5. He clearly gave up.... Sound silly? Yes.
@ I don't think era or rules makes sense as a counter arguement.
how much free throws tho?
@jamar reid
Phoenix vs. L.A. Lakers, 2006
Western Conference first round
Game 5: at Suns 114, Lakers 97
Game 6: Suns 126, at Lakers 118, OT
Game 7: at Suns 121, Lakers 90"
^^^ Originating from a 3-1 Laker lead, That's mighty Choke-tastic for a GOAT.
@ MJ choked against the orlando magic when he coughed up the ball to nick anderson. I am not making an argument against or for anything or anyone, I am twisting an argument that I do not deem as a good one against itself.
@@jerodmyers7180
MJ has never 'erased' himself.
Pop style beat always goes hard.
I remember this that did for me to because I felt he quit you can't worry about what the haters say do you fuck proving points.
Kobe still the GOAT for me. Look where he is now after his basketball career.
Jordan is objectively greater than Kobe any way you slice it. (Kobe my fav player)
Willo Akaka Shit, Kareem’s boring low skill ass is the only legacy that can be argued over Jordan’s.
Bill russell legacy is greater than anybody
Damian Presha Your funny I hope your not saying he’s the goat because it’s not even close
@@lonelythreat Jordan the better player True but Bill has the greater legacy and its not close.
Samuel Gonzalez that low skill led him
To being the nba all Time scorer I’ll take that anyday
Kobe is still in the goat conversation
That is What Happens When He Tries to get his Team more involved Kobe Is Still one of the GOATS🐐
Stop playing bruh, Kobe still the on the GOAT race
Kobe Bryant is and will ALWAYS be my all time favorite player, he's in my top 3, and you won't find a bigger Kobe fan than me
But I must agree.
Kiero B I just want to reply before someone else does
What?
@Minimal Interest No, I'm objective and fair!
Kobe fans AREN'T Lakers fan!!
I'm a Lakers fan BECAUSE OF Kobe (and Shaq)
@Minimal Interest what's your point
I'm a bigger kobe fan than you bruh
Kobe the 🐐
More Kobe videos
MJ is the End all Be all
Nothing wrong w being
Lebron Kobe Kareem Magic
There is just no debating GOAT
I like that 🤷🏾♂️all facts
Then why is it debated in all aspects. They even debate it in daycare centers.
They'll be a day MJ is dethroned. When that'll be, who knows. But it's 100% going to happen. It's inevitable.
@@simplyluis6548 obviously not anytime soon. no one today is even close to 6 rings or any of the shit MJ did back in his day.
Bart Starr ayt then talk in circles then
It’ll all come back to MJ
Its been embedded in history too
Unless a star player who wins 8 chips at 8-0
He’ll probably be proclaimed the goat and change the narrative
Kobe takes too many shots and he's selfish. Next game Kobe didn't take enough shots and that's selfish too.
Camden White
He's not selfish because he didn't take enough shots. He's selfish because he put his personal ego above winning just to prove a point to management that he was the sole reason for the Lakers' relevance and that everything the Lakers are is because of him. That's why he was selfish.
Trey Magathan exactly
Your IQ is in single digits
Miss him.
R.I.P ☄️✨🌟
That game and the whole 2004 series took him out of it completely
He just did a 3 peat lost in his 4th consecutive finals im not saying he is the "goat" but that argument makes no sense
He was too young to be taken out then
@@fullmetal1766 I'm a Laker fan and huge Kobe fan, but 2004 was two years after their 3peat.
What about Lebron's 6 finals losses and 2011 chokejob? I bet you're the same guy who screams 'LEBRON IS GOAT''
Cass Smith I think 2004 was just one year after the 3 peat , during the fued
*Next Video : The Series Lebron Took Himself Out of the GOAT Conversation [Dallas 2011]*
Still in the goat convo. Try again
Scottie Pippen to you lol
@@Kc08246 To people with an IQ
I think Kobe and mj 1 and 1A lol like KD said “ These guys are the greatest to play and it’s not close” lol imma take KD word
Scottie Pippen To people with an IQ? Or do you mean to the people that swallow the pre-packaged narrative the media spoon feds them?
Lebron has created multiple super teams played in a trash ass conference - and has an abysmal 3-6 Finals record??!
Subtly playing Pop Style in the background. I'm giving this video a like.
Kobe is the 🐐
Kobe is still the G.O.A.T.
Took himself out my ass didn't he win two more rings and a MVP after this season how does that make sense thats like saying Bron took himself out the G.O.A.T conversation in 2011 he redeemed himself. Kobe lost to a better team same way MJ couldnt beat the Celtics or the Pistons this video looks forced.
Crazy because I consider lebron completely no showing in 2011 finals was worse than kobe in game 7 against suns . Kobe had a questionable 2nd half...sure...but lebron basically didnt show up in games 4-6 of the 2011 finals
Kobe is the goat
Rip bean
more than any other sport? I disagree, look at Wayne Gretzky. If he had 0 goals he'd still be the leading scorer of all time. thats just nuts.
Yeah. But in America like 3 people watch hockey. Kind if like being the best pingpong player ever...
atarashii I don’t watch hockey so can you please explain that statement more in depth?
@@NYCMIAH Certainly! In hockey, points consist of goals+assists. Gretzky leads scoring all-time with 2857 points, FAR ahead of 2nd place Jagr at 1888 points. As part of those 2857 points, Gretzky had 1963 assists. Therefore, If Gretzky had scored 0 goals in his entire career, he would have 1963 points, which is STILL good enough to be #1 all time.
@@thedude2264 Ahh yes, one of the 4 major US sports, with a viewership of 4.8 million in 2018, has only around 3 people watching. You're right, my bad! I enjoy both sports, and your comment does a great disservice to hockey. I wouldn't even demean world class ping pong players, since I respect that they are good at their respective sport. Now how about you show some decency?
@@atarashii you mean 4.8 million people out of almost 400 million people watch it? If you're not in like one of three cold cities in the us no one watches it, I could go ask 40 people I know about hockey and no one would have a clue, meanwhile ask about football or basketball and a lot more people are aware of things. Also maybe I am decent and you're overly offended at a joke that involves a league you're not apart of. lol sit down and enjoy your hockey you goon.
Edit, just to put in perspective, NBA regular season games on national networks almost double the ratings of the Stanley cup. Let alone playoff games and the finals... I'm sure the NFL is even higher and idc enough about baseball to look it up..
It’s funny. All these Kobe arguments are the same arguments Bron fans use. Ironic.
💀💀💀 Michael jordans spot won't be around much longer trust me
@Michael Wong they played like 10 seasons together and kobe is better
Kobe is not better than lebron by any means😂
@@derekmayers-louther umm Lebron is 4-6 in the finals lol
@@aimassistisntop6200 doesn't matter If not Lebron someone will do it 💀💀 Michael will fade away over time
They hate cause they can't do what greats like Kobe can do, making all that money, winning championships and doing what they want.
That mj goat poster fire
Kohe is the greatest player of all time no one will ever be a killer like him on the court
INCOMING KOBE FANS THAT COMMENTED WITHOUT WATCHING THE VIDEO!!!!
lmao hell yea
Haha true
Samuel Díez nah I think the LeBron fan base is worse
•ayy オマール that’s dumb . Lebron is first or second and build schools and kobe is inefficient and cheating eapist
@Samuel Díez Says the spokeman of the Bronsexuals.
So we not going to say anything about Kenny big ass suit he had on🤣😭😭💀
Bro at the end of the Kobe is a Legend in the nba they’re will never be another player like Kobe
Bruh are u serious? Kobe just literally copied MJ