How My Viewers Messed Up the World After WW1
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Reminder: So much has changed, I cannot make this a realistic scenario. If I did, it would be 20 minute of me going "But so much has changed, we simply don't know!"
Honestly I prefer the more fun ones
Yeah yeahh
Its ok
i love it whacky
Just simply go full wacky alternate history if it's not feasible to continue realistically. I'm intrigued in this storyline
You need to check the toxicity of your server. I got banned for having an unpopular idea
Compared to the other viewer votes, this is surprisingly more peaceful than thought it was going to would be.
yea. started horribly, but managed to get pretty
That's cuz he chose the most peaceful scenario it could get, in reality I doubt anything like "peace" could happen
Agreed
...literally the entire east of the map was engulfed in war.
...still probably better than our timeline.
@@napoleoncomplex2712 IRL it was also kinda the case so, not that much of a change.
Hope there will be a part 3 , I'm getting invested into this
Same
same
same
Same (let's make this comment made by The wardo the top comment so we get our part 3) also wardo changed his name :/
same
As a german I absolutely love the franco german polish friendship of this scenario
As a pole I love it too!
As a french i like it too
As Russian, I dont
As a Brazilian, this is wayyy too peaceful.
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
I really want part 3 now, this is actually a very interesting scenario
173 likes no comments, cmon this is what everyone wants
I'm all for it who cares if it is going to fanfic as it already is far above that line, i want more of this weirdly peacefull timeline
I am astounded the viewers actually managed to prevent Weimar from collapsing. Also that they shit they did didn't end in disaster generally.
Didn’t end in disaster
Bruh
In classic Possible History viewers fashion, they managed it by stripping Bavaria from Germany. I had a feeling that cutting out the National Socialist heartland would complicate that guy's rise to power.
dont forget southern prussia aswell @@gengarzilla1685
i love how cartoonishly small the voters made russia in an attempt to destroy them, only for them to become stronger than in our own timeline
I don't think they would actually annex Mongolia, especially if they are in an alliance with China. A protectorade would be more fitting.
@@talesferreiralimadossantos8806 i agree, as like in our own timeline there would be little to gain and it would certainly upset China. The main reason i think the Russians are stronger in this timeline is because of their internal situation and their huge eurasian alliance with Italy and China. Of course one could argue that they are weaker because of the giant european alliance which exists specifically to counter russian influence and expansion. However, i still stand with my earlier statement that they are overall stronger than the soviet union of our time.
@@kartoffelkaiser322 You're right, they are stronger, since there shoudn't be any massive purges of the military. As for the foreign policy, it's possible the Tsar could try to be in good terms with France, Germany and even Poland. Ukraine, on the other hand, would be harder, since the best lands for agriculture is there and the country controls Crimea (maybe it's not sooo important since they have Turkey on their side). Italy could very well make trouble with Serbia and Croatia and take the rest of Greece and I think this would be a point of atrition between Russia and Italy. What do you think?
@@talesferreiralimadossantos8806 i absolutely agree that the alliance is far from perfect. The russian annexation of mongolia is guaranteed to eventually create tensions between them and China, and italian ambitions in the balkan actively contests russian influence and potential allies such as bulgaria or greater serbia. All of this on top of the fact that japan is now solely dedicated to the destruction of Russia means that the Russians have many challenges ahead of them.
@@kartoffelkaiser322really what is Japan going to do? Japan has been annihilated from any ability to be considered strong enough to do anything. The best they can do is provide a slight annoyance from the East being little more then a large American air field.
I can't believe so much changed by France not getting the Saarland. This should absolutely become a hoi4 mod.
Also the intermarium dream coming true is just beautiful, I imagine it being sort of like an early EEC, but for the east, not the west.
I’ve always thought French Saarland was a bad idea in every scenario I’ve ever viewed lmao
The most cursed thing about this Versailles is that it makes Liechtenstein to Switzerland what Lesotho is to South Africa
no. Liechtenstein would be annexed.
@@WhizzKid2012that’s funny, I don’t remember him saying anything about Lichtenstein being annexed
@@kylezdancewicz7346 but it would be if Switzerland were to annex Tyrol.
@@WhizzKid2012Liechtenstein is separate from Tyrol
@@Frogtopia397Liechtenstein is technically a Swiss protectorate that can in any moment join Switzerland at will, so it being encircled change nothing at all, it's still monarchist little Switzerland if they're don't ask for being annexed.
He ended the video with saying "Hope you learned something". Right after JSH accused him with not teaching us anything. Idk if its a coincidence but its funny.
It’s probably keeping up with the bit of him being a professor and us being his students but it’s still funny to think about as a jab
Whos JSH
@@amckittrick7951a insignificant CZcamsr who cries a lot
I mean, why would he be teaching us something? I don't think that's his goal. He just wants to tell neat stories.
@@amckittrick7951another alt-history CZcamsr who when PH didn’t give him credit for a map he made for another CZcamsrs video, that was poorly designed and had the map made fun of for that and PH didn’t give him credit for it. He then proceeded to make a 15 minute video I believe that quickly devolved to him ranting(basically a tantrum) about every little thing he doesn’t like about Ph for a matter he could have handled in private
This video deserves a sequel its really well made and i think the ww2 scenario you made is perfect
What if everything went perfect for the Kingdom of Italy?
The north never united with the south. Done. Next video
that would be the opposite@@Funkaheltok
@@Funkaheltoka fellow NeoBourbonist, I see
rome?
@@denizmergen418 Pope.
Video Idea: What if Venice, over multiple centuries, unified Italy?
What if Venice realized its decline and focused its efforts on Italy and Dalmatia
It's impossible
Venice would control Lombardia and Romania at best, then lose it shortly after.
@@dostawcagazuRomania?
@@dostawcagazuI’m sorry Romania, I don’t know the most about Venice but that doesn’t make much sense
@@kylezdancewicz7346 he probably meant Emilia-Romagna, the Italian region
This treaty was kinda stable compared to the real treaty of Versailles (except the balkans and asia) but I think ww2 would not happen in this timeline as destructive as the real
i like how this gave a story instead of vague scenarios its more entertaining
Like either way we cannot make real definitive alternate scenario as Butterfly effect and factor X are still inevitable from our timeline as this is much more entartaining
Didn't expect the EU-esque direction you went with but it does seem possible and a nice change of pace from how horribly I expected this to go
I find this scenario fascinating in a lot of ways, but In terms of where you left it, I'd like to zoom in on Romania.
I'd imagine in your Balkan war scenario, their military performs fairly well to successfully cross the Danube and secure Dobruja, without even collapsing to Hungarian pressure and holding the mountain line. Losing Dobruja when they had won World War 1 would have already been an outrage, but losing what they'd gained in Transylvania too would I imagine, be a very large bruise. Economically and Geographically Romania may have been forced to align with the "Axis", but even more so than OTL, they despise nearly every one of their supposed "allies" for various reasons.
With all this in mind, and given the prevalence of Nationalist movements in Romania otl even without this complete land loss humiliation, would be very strengthened in this scenario. Irridentist and Nationalist fervor would likely be sky high in parts of the population and it's not unlikely a weak King Michael II, without a Greater Romania economic boon, ends up being subverted by a rising Nationalist movement, whether Iron Guard or otherwise, who win elections and strongarm their way into control of the Romanian government.
Ideologically, this kind of government would appear to be a perfect fit for this scenario's axis, but all of Romania's geostrategic goals align against the Axis. They have almost nothing to gain by fighting for Russia and Italy, and everything to gain by fighting against them. Just like how Communist Romania was in the Warsaw pact in otl, I'd imagine this Romania is a Maverick in the alliance, refusing to allow others to have bases, station officers, move supplies, or in any way assert control over or with the Romanian military, which themselves is rapidly expanding from purchases of French and Italian equipment, two nations they share immense cultural ties with and which exported a lot of arms in this time. Like Communist Romania, this Nationalist Romania would also necessarily have to vastly expand domestic industries, propping them up with whatever duct tape and glue could be found, closely aligning with the Serbs/Yugoslavs on these weapon developments. This could lead to a very surprisingly strong Romanian military, They'd have access to almost all of the experienced officers from WW1, the new officer corps they trained, and the excellent defensive and artillery training and tactics learned from there, as well as whatever solid offensive tactics let them seize Dobruja against the odds.
With such close cultural ties to France and economic interests north in Galicia, it's also possible Romania establishes a secret alliance, much like they did with Germany and Italy before WW1 in the "Triple Alliance" to protect against any aggression in the meantime. This could include plans in case of war to Neutralize or force Hungary's hand, by Romania continuing it's Maverick streak and refusing to join a Russian Italian war against the Intermarium/Franco-German Alliance, and thusly cutting Hungary off from any ground support, leaving it vulnerable to collapse with a German and Polish border. If the Russian/Italian Axis try to press Romania with their superior military force across the Danube (a tough task with only 2 or 3 bridges on the whole length), Romania could then also activate her secret alliance with the Intermarium and seal Hungary's fate in the meantime, allowing, even if they fell, a very fervrent Nationalist Romanian free government and forces to retreat backwards and link up with Intermarium forces to continue the fight.
TLDR: Romania got hella humiliated in this scenario, and there's not a shot in hell they don't try to go against the Russian/Italian Axis with their geostrategic position and very likely Nationalist sentiment
Video Idea: What if everything went terrible for England?
Good ending
It would be really great considering current events
if only god was real
Atheism levels drop to 0% as God is proven to be real
Yes just make Ireland own it
It is weird to see a European ww1 scenario where there is no communism
Hey, at least we avoided the funny mustache man from coming to power in Germany!
That has to count for something, right?
...
right?
I think he was the one stiring things up in Bavaria. Atleast got stoped before more chaos happen.
yeah exactly.
He was stomped out before he could do some Real damage.
Whatever this alternate WWII ends up being, Germany will most likely be fighting against Italy in this timeline, maybe with Russia and the Tsar taking the role of Germany and Hitler and China taking Japan's role.
I’m sorry :c
I'm not
I'm not
Me too:c
I am not
Me too:(
Im invested in this world now. thanks to it being a better world than expected. like a richer British colonial holdings (probably), a Good German Democracy (and EU) and Good ol Russia allying with Turkey as well as a United Arabia
Russia supporting the... Turks?! Against the greek?!
video idea: what if everything went perfect for Josh Sullivan History💀
this is more cursed than any thing i have seen before, this makes me feel many emotions but mostly lust
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same here. Besides the lust part , the borders make me vomit
@@NormalThe7th it gave me more lust as borders are clearing up 😩😩😩
@@oooshafiqooo Obviously I started to feel lusty when the borders cleared up , how could anyone not?
Can you give an estimated casualty count on the Second Russo-Japanese War? Including the Sino-Japanese War, I'm estimating around 40 Million Casualties. That must've been brutal. Can't even imagine the amount of war crimes.
I tried to calculate a figure, but it was too difficult to say for certain. But I agree with you, just the Sino-Japanese war had around 20 million casualities, it now lasted a couple years later, and included the Russians throwing men at the Japanese. 40 million seems a very fair figure.
Also what would be the name of the war the great eastern war maybe
@@Kaiser_Polaristhe 2nd Finno-Korean hyper war
@@NAXALAKhalistanCommunist Then we need to change ottomans from before the napoleon times
Honestly very surprised with the outcome of the... "Interesting" choices made in the last viewer-vote. Was expecting a far more chaotic result, but, can't say I'm not enjoying it! Hopefully there's a part II in the making.
Also, as a side note, it seems a tad bit strange that the Polish government -- which at its time was rather hard-line nationalist -- would simply hand over territory it viewed as part of Poland proper (i.e. Lwów and Wilno) especially considering those areas were more heavily Polonized. Even if they were pursuing the Prometheist doctrine of the late Piłsudski, it would be highly unlikely that the Sanation government would simply turn over the entirety of Eastern Galicia and Wilno. Just some food for thought in future mapping!
Perhaps the Versailles treaty having combined Poland and Lithuania, with Lithuania being given major influence from being the primary sea access of the nation, is the source of what caused Poland to diverge? The Intermarium's state at the end of the video is an economic union, but the plan could be to combine into a new, fully realized Commonwealth. France may even be encouraging that so the alliance between all of them has three semi-equal partners to it that'll make the arrangement more stable.
Hell yeah, fresh PH content is the best way to wake up
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Fresh what content???
sus
This actually prevented a world war wow congrats PH viewers you actually achieve your objectives
Well, I feel like the russian-japanese war would probably be at least half as deadly.
@@user-qq6mp9bp2q a commenter calculated the casualties to be 40 million
@@user-qq6mp9bp2qbut not a world war. its just two countries. Russia and Japan.
I really hope that in the next part he takes into account the massive losses Russia would’ve taken from the war with the Japanese (Probably 10s of millions dead)
Video Idea: What if everything went PERFECT for Poland?
He's already planning on releasing that one
Hate to break it to you but it’s against the nature of the universe, all known laws of quantum mechanics and gods plan, that something would go great for Poland
That would only happen if Russia never unified
Lithuania was the one to unify Rus and then became part of the Commonwealth
@@user-sj5wz7tt9u i don't think so, firstly rus (i'm assuming you mean the kievan rus) was unified by slavic trives from novogrod, secondly, in the Polish-Lithuanian Comonwealth lithuanians were a minority, even in their own Grand Dutchy of Lithuania, wich btw was starting to get it's lithuanian nobility replaced by poles, i could be wrong, as i don't have a lot of knowledge on the matter, but i would apreciate you elaborate a little on what you said, so i can know what exactly you are refering to 😄
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I doubt that Russia would support Turkey over Greece. One of their main objectives during the Great War was seizing Constantinople or keeping it out of Turkish hands at least.
I feel like every alternate history for Hungary I've seen was kinder or more successful for Hungary than in our own timeline lol
Whe are living in the what if everything went terrible for hungary timeline.
@tompatterson1548 nah it always can be much worse
Currently it is pretty much the worst scenario that could occur, so nothing to go worse there....
What if everything went perfect for romanian principalities (1 year of asking i started asking in summer 2023)
Gen Z Diplomacy hits different
Love these videos! Keep up the good work
Im 6 minutes in and im so surprised this is going better than our timeline
I definitely saw Greece losing Anatolia and most likely Thrace with possible occupation by Italy, but I'm surprised Russia didn't back Greece. I like the Franco-German-Polish alliance.
Please make another part!!! This is so intresting, harkens back to the days of countryballs on yt
this has to be one of the best scenarios I've ever seen
So Italy gaining more territory than on our timeline didn't stop them of going radical nationalist. Sure, the economic recession would be unavoidable, but I thought the democratic institutions would survive. I wonder if "vittoria mutilada" would even be a thing in this scenario.
I know you are already planning an 1848 video, but What If Every 1848 Revolution Succeded?
1:12 this screenshot alone makes me excited
Im german and this brought a tear to my eye. Truly the best timeline.
Still progressed better than the youtuber one.
I have my doubts Mussolini still comes to power without being able to rail on Italy getting ripped off in the peace deal. Further I don't see Europeans letting Turkey have Constantinople back. Also seems kind of weird that the US Navy wouldn't intervene, or pressure Japan into accepting the peace deal, if Japan was losing so badly they'd lose their ability to repay debts to the US, especially with a Russia that looks like its on a conquering spree.
Further I'm not sure we'd have a full on Great Depression in this world, rather than just a recession.
Franco German Polish alliance is so wholesome 😊❤
Can we get another part to this? This is really good.
MAKE A PART 3 THIS IS SO INTRIGUING
PLEASE CONTINUE THIS IT'S SO GOOD
See? possible history viewers should redraw every historical map and the world would be much more peaceful
I have become genuinely invested in this alternate history scenario and would love to see more on it
He doesnt say there wont be a part 3, so guys, keep your notifications checked :D
I feel like Japan would accept the lighter peace deal, since during WW2 one of the reasons they held on for so long was so that peace deal may be lighter on them.
That being said, it also makes sense that Japan would continue fighting in the hopes of keeping more land (like parts of the trans-siberian railway)
I dunno, i think this would be the PERFECT Hoi4 mod (had to propose it ok?), need someone to make this w some changes. Imagine fighting the strong Russians or helping the balkan wars
This would make for an awesome multi-part alternate history novel series exploring this world through the eyes of its various inhabitants.
Video idea:what if everything went PERFECT for britain?
eh nations like uk and the ottomans already had anear perfect scenario, and if you make them even stronger itll get out of hand probably
@@maxthetube8466it would be sick to make them practically rule the world though 😂
This feels like something a hoi4 modded would make into a game, I love it
I have been waiting for this
An important lesson to learn, never let ph viewers decide anything in geopolitics. Especially peace deals.
I really enjoyed this and I'm looking forward to more eventually. What happens next will be really interesting but just Britain in isolation is unusual. This has created a lot of great stuff, but I especially love the stuff with Poland getting a place in the sun once again.
All I can think is this would be a fun hoi4 Mod
part three!!
I love this
Small thing: on the russia map, it's still 1914 germany
Please make a part 3 the scenarios are very entertaining
Would love a third part too this!
I love how at the beginning, greece who is due to their territorial gains surrounded by countries that absolutely despise them, either because of the territorial concessions or other differences, and therefore you made them say the famous simpsons quote: "* chuckles *, I'm in Danger!"
Very nice detail!
loving the new style of the videos, always having to add "would, could, or maybe" tends to get really boring
We NEED a part 3.
We need a part 3 to this one !!!!!!
Germany doesnt have to fight a 2 front war against the entire world all at once solo. This is preety much a wrap for who wins.
Well this is a far more canonically stable but far less militarized Germany.
@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547less militarised, yes, but can still potentially pack a heavy punch if the German Empire is anything to go by.
@@ibraheemshuaib8954 the German empire had a long history of military tradition to pull of which was closely integrated with the landed nobility which probably would favor Russia over this German state.
@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 true, but provided the Republic takes the old prussian military system and properly adapts it to modern circumstances, they can be a force to he reckoned with as the average German was very nationalistic and patriotic due to their military culture.
There's also the thing of Russia having just recently won that gruesome 7 year war with Japan. Russia looks big on the map but they're probably depleted right now.
Day 10 asking for "What if Everything Went Perfect for Romania"
I am guessing ww2 in this timeline is going to be Germany, France, Poland, Japan, Latvia, Finland, Sweden, and Ukraine Vs Russia, Italy, China, Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Turkey, and Italy
Some of the balkan nations would likely try to rebel
I am hoping for the a 3rd part
before we make germany democratic we have to consider the freikorps and the fact they almost overthrew the government
the weimar system is bound to collapse in almost any scenario
the republic itself prepared to reclaim their lost land
there wont be pro french sentiment THAT soon
It’s a good morning when PH posts
Hey Possible History! I have and idea for a video, What If Boris III of Bulgaria didn't die in 1943, joins the Allies and won WWII with the Allies!
Meanwhile in Balkans:
Croatia: Hey, dear neighbour, what are those guys doing over there?
Serbia: I don't know, dear neighbour, some usual silly businesses of their own.
Croatia: Well, thank God we ain't getting involved in that. Cheers!
Serbia: Cheers!
I wonder who was the leader of bavaria hmmm
Can you make a part 2?
we need a part 3!
We need a part 3!!!
The first half of this began so well, but it couldn´t just stay peaceful. At the end the stage was quite threatening (Japan kind of reminds me of NKorea?).
I know a certain someone is fuming rn because how dare you involve your community 😂
Josh? Lol
This is a great Video Idea!
Wow, I sincerely doubt this would happen.
Nice vid! But I have a question, why would Reactionary Russia under the lead of conservative Emperor support recent enemies, especially Turkey instead of Orthodox Greece?
Yeah they would have tried to turn greece.into a puppet state more then anything
Russia wants a weak and divided Balkans if it does not get control over it
@@jevinliu4658meh, I can believe in only-balkan wars which will weaken Balkan states. But giving the Turks opportunity to take desired for centuries important christian city, like wtf?
Could we have a What if Everything went perfect for United Kingdom 🇬🇧 pleasr
Very nice thank professor.
Part 3 please
Great Video
Wholesome, Weimar Triangle existing in Inter-War period, and with Polish-German borders actually being on the Ethnic lines. Best scenario so far
I loves these treaty videos
idk if mussolini would come to power in italy that was given so much by after ww1
big part of why mussolini got to power is because the italians felt betrayed for not getting almost anything after the war
Please part 3!
I love this so much.
This is really good, the franco germano polish axis sounds too good!
I like how optimistic this one is.
Suggestion of a what if:
What if Napoleon escaped to Brazil?
In 1817, 2 years had passed since Napoleon lost in waterloo and some revolutionaries from Pernambuco (state of Brazil in the Northeast) had an impossible plan to liberate napoleon from his exile in St helens. Since Napoleon was a admired not only by the French but by Revolutionaries and independent movements from south america that even the peruvians and chileans had discussed this before. The plan was that a Revolutionary known as "Cabugá" would go to the USA and buy some weapons to fight off the rule of Dom João VI of Portugal and would later recruit 4 french veterans. But when they arrived at the city of Recife (Recife is a city in Pernambuco that is a state of Brazil in the Northeast) The portuguese arrested the 4 french veterans and the plan would have never been continued.
But, what if it went different? What if Cabugá managed to recruit more french veterans? What if they did managed to rescue Napoleon?
Please a part 3
We need a part 3 please ph