Drinker's Chasers - Pampered, Fragile Actors Are Ruining Cinema
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- čas přidán 27. 01. 2023
- We live in a culture now where people are encouraged to take no responsibility for anything in their lives, to never take risks, to never try anything difficult or challenging, or requires self discipline. And this attitude has infected movies and TV shows.
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Morfydd Clark talks about being traumatized from being charged by fake orcs. She should probably hear what Tolkien himself has to say about having to live through the hell that was trench warfare in WW1.
Haha yep, quite a stark comparison.
I think the fact that she was born in 1986, a time of general ease, doesn't help her case.
Tolkien lived in the times WW1 and WW2.
Imagine if she worked on the real LotR movies and spent any time with Sir Christopher Lee, a man who was a spy during WW2 and killed nazies with his bare hands.
@@fattiger6957 Or Viggo Mortensen who was constantly getting injured on set and had to bear with the pain to the point where even his stunt performers were impressed
@@chasehedges6775 Bob Anderson, the English Olympic fencer and President of the British Academy of Fencing who did sword choreography for LOTR, Star Wars, and more, also called Viggo the best swordsman he ever trained. The LOTR movies had nearly supernaturally perfect casting with actors who gave everything to fulfill their roles
I would rather work with 10,000 women than 1 feminist. 10,000 men than 1 activist, and 10,000 professionals than 1 "influencer"
I’d rather just not work with women altogether. Just isn’t worth it anymore. Everything is offensive or “harassment”, and nothing is funny anymore.
Well said, except for the working with women part
@@lawrencetalbot8346 now you're on CNN and #metoo'd
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Yeah I guess the problem with now is the numbers are reversed for every 10,000 people there's 20,000 feminists, activists and influencers in front of the line because its easier to have that diversity shield.
in a room of 100,000 women 99,900 are going to be feminists. You are in a room full of people who generally hate men. Not to mention nobody will hear you over all of their screeching over the patriarchy
Ring of Power: "STOP MOCKING ME! WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?!"
Critical Drinker and The Boys: "Because it's easy and it does a lot of damage."
Nothing in life makes me happier than Happy Souls.
And it makes them a lot of money
Execs: DID YOU SAY PROFITS?!
woke mob: YEP, right down the road
Someone needs to make a meme with a Drinker-themed picture of Mt. Doom.
Critical drinker used vicious mockery.... It's super effective
The irony of Christopher Lee having been in the LOTR trilogy with her comparing that to real combat stress
And the writer of LOTR participating in the Battle of the Somme…inarguably one of the bloodiest battles in history.
PTSD 2023: Someone disagreed with me on Twitter.
PTSD 1951: I almost froze to death fighting Chinese soldiers in Korea.
And that's why people will know of Christopher Lee for generations since his passing. Meanwhile, she's already forgotten.
"Do you know what a man who's been stabbed sounds like? I do."
Christopher Lee trained Gabčik, the guy who assassinated heydroch
The hot women found a way to destroy any possible competition, by convincing them they were “beautiful at every size.” Truly Machiavellian.
What hot women? Where?
I haven't seen any on TV in a long, long, time..
I don't think so."Beautiful at every size" is endorsed mainly by the food industry and also by several other companies who unfortunately have stupid woke activists in their marketing department.Finally, there are the pathetic losers who remain fat because its easier to lie to themselves than do something about it. ( i am not talking about the people who acknowledge they are overweight and trying to be at a healthy weight)
It aint the hot ones pushing this shit, most of them actually work to have a superb figure, i would think if not for the fear of being cancelled, they are as unhappy with it as most of us.
That's how Instagram and TikTok thots getting millions of views.
Good point
The entire cast of Lord of the Rings got injured in some way and just manned up and worked through it. The entire cast of Band of Brothers went through actual boot camp. And both of those casts would never say they actually went through something like war. The less effort actors put into a role the more highly they seem to think about themselves.
The cast of saving private ryan went on a 2 week bootcamp, and were trained military style. All to properly get into the mind set of the soldiers they were portraying and form bonds of brotherhood.
The bonds they made during the bootcamp, helped make that film iconic.
@@beckyboo1352 yeah that was why Tom Hanks made sure the Band of Brothers guys all did a boot camp. Just made everything so much more real because they were basically real.
The Aragorn actor broke his foot and Legolas actor fell of a horse
And you know the best part? All those running shots in the movies were done after these events happened
@@beckyboo1352 Except for Jeremy Davies, who played Corporal Upham. Some of that animosity Hanks and co had towards him was real because they purposefully left him out of training.
I mean, I'm not against safer work environment. Everyone who deals with constant threat of injury (such as combat sports athletes) knows that there's only so much fight in you, and every broken bone and every concussion drags you closer to retirement whether you're ready or not.
But there's a fine line between workplace safety and catering to people largely unfit for that place. It affects the end result a great deal.
"Pampered actors don't give good performances." I like this. "They don't want to work for anything, that requires committment." Also love this.
Just like todays musical "artists" with their auto-tune/ reverb.
In order to get really good at something someone has to harshly tell you that you suck at some point.
Lost Chord ie Little Platoon just stay spittin facts
I can handle the fact that they're pampered. It's their condescending speeches & telling *me* that I'm what's wrong with the world that pisses me off.
Are you talking about Drinker?
@@testcase6997 He's talking about the actors/actresses of Hollywood
@@testcase6997 huh?
@@paulloughlin3732 did you want to try forming an actual question?
@@testcase6997 what rock have you been living under?
You know in the behind the scenes for The Hobbit trilogy, they talk about how Evangeline Lilly did a lot of her own fights. She walked away with bruised knuckles (which she was proud of), and in one scene forgot to duck (which she admits was her fault) and got punched right in the head. She powered through that and kept working, which really earned the respect of the stuntmen. Compare all of that to Morfydd Clark's 30 second fake fight induced "trauma".
You gotta love the irony of how these “strong independent whamen” characters were created to battle stereotypes, and the actresses themselves fall into those stereotypes in real life.
"A person is smart but people are dumb dangerous animals and you know it." - Agent K from Men In Black
👍👍
Men In Black is a classic
Truer words have never been spoken!
I line that has aged like fine wine!
Lol kid me first heard that line and went “he’s probably right, huh”
Which is why so many film-goers still have a lot of respect for Tom Cruise, and go to see his films in big numbers, despite his (IMHO) many failings in his personal life - he's always going 100% (including putting large amounts of his own money into film projects, like M:I) on set for the benefit of making a great film. It doesn't always come off, but you gotta admire his commitment.
The "thank you" video short before Top Gun Maverick might be marketing, but it worked. It's nice to see someone respect the audience.
And also a reason why Tom Cruise is so beloved by a lot of people is because he's not pandering his ideology but just wants the audience to have a fun time, it doesn't matter either if it's his action movies or dramatic movies.
I think it’s fair to say that Tom Cruise is one of our last great movie stars. Sadly, they’re a dying breed.
People always say Tom Cruise might be crazy or I don't agree with his personal views but he still makes entertaining movies. Tom Cruise at his most batshit crazy is still more sane, mature and grounded than all the modern woke/radical feminist actors and the complete and utter toxic and disgusting bile they preach each and every single day
Yes. It’s nice to not feel even a hint of Scientology being shoved down our throats thru media like they do so many times with their own ideals in their projects now. It’s exhausting and I turn it off right away when I start sensing it.
Morfydd Clark went for 30 seconds and had to take a break !?!?! Meanwhile on Agents Of SHIELD Chloe Bennet is breaking her arm doing "One Shot" fight scenes. And I'm betting she got paid a lot less money.
“I don’t want to do anything difficult” is such a destructive mentality.
Cause when you don’t do anything difficult, the things you found to be easy will start to become difficult.
Keep repeating the cycle and you’ll find yourself in a position where living is difficult and you don’t want to do it. And you’ll have no one to blame but yourself.
How does that line go? "Working out is difficult, but being completely out of shape is more difficult. Developing skills is hard, but living without any skills is harder. Life has lots of difficulties, you have to choose which you'll endure"
I recently watched a LARP player talking about being in a battle with thousands of participants on each side. They said something along the lines of "it felt real" ie terrifying but none of them were claiming PTSD because it was exactly why they showed up.
Now that I think about it, people who actually enjoy what they doing will not claim PTSD. This actress probably have such horrible experience in the filming (bad writing, etc), but blame it on (fake) orcs attack.
@@r3dr4te963 👍👍
"Filming more than 30 seconds of action at a time triggered my trauma, and I had to talk to a therapist."
Brings new meaning to Peter Jackson's film 'They Shall Not Grow Old', only it's not referring to the soldiers....
I thought that was a film about HAES activists, not WWI vets.....
Vietnam Veterans: That's cute honey, let me tell you about that time my platoon got ambushed in the Tet Offensive.
Now imagine her having to go ashore on D-Day😱😱
@@frankgesuele6298 If it was anything like the beginning of Saving Private Ryan, then landing on the shores of Normandy must've been 10 times more terrifying in real life.
They had to talk to the-rapist......
As a former fat person, I 100% agree! It’s much easier to blame society for all of your problems, but it’s takes real discipline for a person to look in the mirror and accept the mistakes that they’ve made. We all have a choice. You can either deny it and nothing changes, you can accept it but then choose to ignore it and nothing changes. But If you really do want things to change you have to actually act and put in the work. Trust me, it’s hard af to lose weight. But it’s not impossible.
Looking for advice, what do you do diet/exercise wise to drop the weight?
As a person who was fat and fit and fat and fit... There is some truth to that, but the guys paint it too black and white. Sure I can loose weight, and be disciplined but it takes a fucking mental toll to see that I have to be disciplined 100% odlf the time to have an average body shape while my colleagues can pig out and look pretty much the same. Then they lift a couple weights and they build muscle easily. We all have various body types and I do not blame others for how I look but they could also realise that it takes way more discipline for some of us and not all havale that level of inner strength. Then idolising the kind of physique that takes professional help is unhealthy and unatainable for most. Could I lool like Chris Pratt? Probably yes. Could I do it alone while having a job, a family life and limited income? Probably not...
@@khiryhelms Easiest answer? Cut down on refined carbs and sugar as much as possible. Eat lots of low carb veggies and lean turkey or chicken. No diet pop either cuz that triggers the insulin response. I used to drink 1 extra large slurpee a day for years. After just cutting out that and other sugary drinks, I lost 40 pounds over a 6 month period without changing anything else about my diet. Start walking or hiking and try to get out for at least an hour every day. Snowshoeing in the winter. Bike riding up hills is excellent cardio as well.
I've noticed that a lot of people are raised to be fat. They're not given discipline, healthy diets, active lifestyles or exercise at young ages and the parents are at fault.
However eventually a kid grows up and should know better, and at that point their physical condition is on them.
@@dwaynebrietzke thanks
Another great example of an honest reaction in a classic film is the scene in Jaws when Richard Dreyfus reacts to the severed head emerging from the sunken ship. Spielberg didn't tell him that was going to happen, and that look on his eyes is completely genuine.
Great scene, great movie.
Contrast to Stanley Kubric making his actors do hundreds of takes of traumatic scenes until the actors began literally weeping and pleading to stop. And that's how you capture a genuine sense of fear and powerlessness.
@Chase Hedges67 It really is. It's a testament to less is more and necessity being the mother of invention. There was no option to have some coked out vfx team pull an all-nighter and have a different ending a month before release.
@@lostalone9320 Well. Maybe a bit too far
Sylvester Stallone and Carl Weathers were both injured filming Rocky, Maureen O'Hara filmed most of the quiet Man with a broken wrist, Alfred Hitchcock threw real birds at Tippy Heddron John Wayne had to take O2 in between takes of Sons of Katie Elder because he was right off cancer surgery and a thousand other examples some more recent, what it did was to make you feel like these actors were doing things to earn the success and adoration they received
👍👍👍👍. It's better to earn it.
Don't forget the hell the cast went through on Apocalypse Now. Especially Martin Sheen's heart attack and drunken spell at the beginning of the film.
@@cozypilgrim8530 you are of course correct but my personal abhorrence of that film definitely clouds my judgement, however I was thinking more about the examples of actors who soldiered on despite difficulties not hellish conditions created by callous mismanagement and malicious egos, I am certain you have seen the Drinker's excellent mini documentary on Apocalypse Now?
@@johntabler349 Yeah, I have. The film almost didn't get made. If you don't mind my asking, what don't you like about that film?
@@cozypilgrim8530 the negative stereotype of Vietnam vets and the cultural effect that made studios refuse to portray real life Vietnam era heroes like Hal Moore because the truth interfered with the narrative. Not pretending every guy over there was a good guy but they were our boys and we sent them there to do a job and most of them did it honorably and well and they deserved to be appreciated for that
The real issue of today's beauty is touch up beauty software. Gets rid of all the imperfections and shows the ideal. In truth, especially among the tik tok and Instagram 'influencers' they are so fake it's pathetic. Heavily made up and then put through the software than turns out a the perfect you ... but then you see them live and you go... WTF? Who is that person? It's not the person I saw on whatever platform. Even actresses and actors in cinema today, are pretty much avatars, especially when they are meant to convey beauty.
LOTR fanfiction stories are more faitful to the source material than Rings of Power.
I hear the video games are also really good.
@@chasehedges6775 The Battle for Middle Earth 1 and 2 and LOTR: The Return of the King were all fucking awesome games.
@@kaj7135 Also The Shadow of Mordor games.
@@kaj7135 and shadow of mordor, it's okay i guess, fun games
Because they're written by fans.
To be fair, the tennis ball bit made the most sense. I am sure many an actress has bad casting experiences where they were repeatedly hit in the face by balls.
Nice.
If I was as fragile as Morfydd Clark seems to be, I'd still be in therapy from playing British Bulldogs at school.
Is anyone still allowed to play British Bulldog?
(It was like rugby with out a ball)
There is a difference between being an Actor and being a Movie Star. Most people in the business under a certain age want (or even expect) the latter.
And the funny thing is that movie stars tend to quickly burn out and disappear into obscurity while a good actor will have work for life.
I once read a great article about how the internet has changed the thinking of an entire generation (now two, I suppose - Millenials and Gen Z) and made them believe many things that require resources (time/money/effort) should be free. They were talking about news and entertainment mainly, but I can also see how many of them expect fame to be "free" as well in a world where people can become instant celebrities from a single viral Tweet or video clip instead of years of hard work and effort in Hollywood.
@@Raskolnikov70 I'm a Gen Z kid and I believe that nothing rewarding comes you if you don't attempt to put any effort into a task or commit to it.
@@chasehedges6775 Same here. We grew up in the analog world where learning something meant a trip to the library or asking a teacher, not a google search. You had to buy movie tickets, pay for cable, pay for a newspaper subscription or magazines, or watch ads if it was available for free on TV. It created a very different mindset from what happens now where everyone has a computer in their pocket.
Movie Stars don't exist anymore... all that remains are actors chasing the fantasy.
It's part of a general shift in attitudes, from having a sense of agency and feeling like you need to earn the things you get, by your own actions, to a world where what you get is awarded to you by some umpire based on whether they think you deserve it or not. In this new world, it doesn't matter if deep down she really was traumatized, or even if anybody believes her. She just has to _make the case_ that she was traumatized, in a way that's hard for someone to disprove, and a pain for someone to question. So then we all quietly roll our eyes... but we pretend we believe her, and she still gets awarded whatever it is she wants.
All this faux outrage is based on the same thing. People pretending to be traumatized, pretending to be offended. Everyone knows it's posturing, but we can't quite _prove_ it, so we all have to act like they mean what they say and have suffered some great harm that requires redress. It's like soccer players taking a dive and pretending to have been hurt. They put on a show to get something out of the referee, even though everyone knows it's fake. The referee has to decide how to minimize the hassle to themselves.
Or basketball players flopping to get charging & blocking fouls called on their opponents.
Football** mate…football.
I started watching The Little Platoon before he had his impressive rise on CZcams.
He appears to be destined for greater things, and it's great to see!
We will watch his career with great interest.
I couldn't agree more.
I'm curious as to what trauma Morfydd Clark went through. My brother has severe PTSD because of things that are not easy to talk about on the internet and he literally can't even work in fast paced environments because he will have a mental break that is very severe. Not trying to compare scars, but let's just hope she's not lying.
If I remember correctly, she had to have the stuntmen who were playing orcs charge her several times off-screen before she could do a take for the camera without flinching.
I doubt there really is any trauma.
@@janeenschultz8502 That's just a normal reaction to a horde of people running at you. Not PTSD
@@MushookieMan Just stating what I remember about the incident. And that's why the guys brought it up.
I have to say that come out as extremely spiteful with the whole 'hope she's not lying'
When I turned 18, I was on a school trip to the Somme, the home to the bloodiest and most horrific battles of World War 1. We were taken on a tour around several battlefield sites and memorials around Ypres and Passchendaele (including Thiepval). On one of these tours, we were told a story that has always stuck with me.
We were told that one of the survivors of the Battle of the Somme said that, once the gunfire had stopped and the relatively lucky few made it back to their trenches, there were some poor unfortunate souls who were grievously wounded and left to die slowly on the battlefield. Thousands. As they were still alive and in pain, they were all moaning, groaning, and crying. This particular survivor described the sound as "a thousand hands sliding down a wet window pane". I still find imagining that haunting but I know my discomfort when thinking about it is but a mere spec compared to the trauma thos poor men suffered. The utter horror of that conflict and the resulting tragedy scarred a generation of men who returned home but never really "came home" and none during that era of civilisation had the knowledge to offer them the support they truly needed after.
But no. Someone running at Morfydd Clark in a latex Orc mask wielding a fake sword in a "play-pretend" scenario and SHE'S the one who NEEDS therapy?!
Fuck off!
To be fair there's a difference between dedication and the director traumatizing you 🤣🤣 But yea nothing beats hearing about some actor/actress whining "Oh i had to do a nude scene for my millions"..
You can really tell the difference between actors who have been through life difficulties and challenges and the ones who have not. They can pull on that life experience for what it was like and how to respond to things. If someone does not have that kind of wisdom and practical life, they cannot pull out the truth when its needed. In the past, that was less critical but now that you're acting ton a broomstick with a plastic head on it and are up against a green screen or a surround screen, its REALLY going to show.
And it really does show. Huge explosions are going off in CGI but nobody reacts. Danger whips by and nobody reacts. Nobody ACTS like they are experiencing the events they are around any longer, because they have nothing in their past to pull on.
The behind the scenes of older movies are so much more interesting than 99% of what Hollywood produces now. You watch the old movies, knowing what the cast and crew went through, and it makes you appreciate the movie even more.
When you find out that Al Pacino burned his hand in the shootout at the end of Scarface, you appreciate the scene more. When you find out that James Cameron had the colonial marines actors live together for weeks before filming, you understand how they act like soldiers in a unit. When you hear that R. Lee Ermey, a Marine Corps drill sergeant, was only meant to be an advisor on set but then did the boot camp scene in Full Metal Jacket because Kubrick wasn't satisfied with other actors, it all makes sense.
You don't get anything like that from modern movies. If you hear a story from on set it's some drama that makes your eyes roll.
The Drinker Never Disappoints
The Critical Drinker is the best and he always delivers.
I could do with less swearing.
“You can’t lose 15lbs to star in a movie??!” Bill Burr
JESUS! that man is the definition of BASED, and that just one of many amazing rants
When filming The Birds, actress Tipi Hedron had to endure five days in a room shooting the scene where she is attacked by the flock. Alfred Hitchcock had the stagehands hurl live pigeons, ravens and doves at her. The scared birds clawed and pecked her. One almost took her eye out. On the final day, she collapsed from sheer physical and emotion exhaustion. But she finished the scene like a trooper.
Kubrik to Hitchcock : Finally a worthy challenger
I mean, objectively they probably shouldn't have put her through that.
Tipi deserves respect for that. She really earned her paycheck.
Hedren alleges that Hitchcock made that scene as difficult and uncomfortable as possible as payback for her rejecting his sexual advances. She also claims that after "Marnie" he kept his exclusive contract with her, but refused to cast her in any new films and didn't let her work with anyone else. Hedren didn't make these allegations until decades after Hitchcock's death, but it is odd that after "Marnie" (1964) she didn't make another film appearance until 1967 which would be about the time her contract with Hitchcock expired.
I mean, good of her for being so strong but shit...
The Exorcist had several of these as well, Friedkin would fire off guns to play on the lead's nerves. He also told the stage hands to pull Ellen Burstyn (secured in a harness) across the room REALLY hard, allegedly causing a long term back injury.
Not to mention he hid rotting meat and eggs on the set to evoke the sense of disgust he needed.
As they were discussing throwing a glass in a movie today, I pictured a series of jump cuts as the CGI glass explodes against the CGI wall with a lens flare.
In slow-mo of course.
I love listening to little platoon and critical drinker. Their accents are captivating. The joke about JJAbrams had me cackling with laughter. To counter the point about Hollywood actors looking great. They put themselves through rigorous regimes to achieve them for shoots. It isn't possible to maintain that level of intensity. Zac Effron said this in an interview for his movie Baywatch sometime ago. The ones that aren't doing it legit are loaded up on roids. Brad Pitts regime for the Fight Club is still talked about today. That level of body fat is difficult to achieve.
Everyone in Hollywood uses steroids. Zac Efron used them. Brad Pitt's physique in Fight Club is NOT natural.
Christian Bale is another example. In the Machinist he burned off an unhealthy amount of body fat for the role. The scenes where he's all ribs and bones were genuinely him. No cgi was used.
@@kri249 Then he had to beef up to 200-something pounds to play Bruce Wayne in Batman Begins. Yo you dieting for roles can take a major toll on the body.
Yes, that's true. When I was modeling (female here) I would have a bowl of cheerios for breakfast, then nothing until the shoot was wrapped. Avoided water, too. Then would suck-in like mad, and use every posing trick I knew to shrink down on camera. I had a nice, relaxed face in the pictures, but I was working really hard to make myself look like that for the shot. But I only needed minimal touchups, and kept getting asked back.
One of the best things I ever heard from a man was when I was 19. He was an old, salt of the earth plumber who came to fix something at my parent's house (I was still living there). One of my senior portraits was on the wall, it's a good photo of me. That day, I was in my bathrobe, glasses, no makeup. He looked at it and said, "Oh, that picture makes you look prettier'n you are!" 🤣🤣 I mean, I was a wreck that day, he wasn't wrong lol but it was one of the most honest things I've ever heard about my appearance. He did try to clean it up, realizing how it came out, but I think I was laughing too hard to remember what he said.
While that specific look you're referencing is not sustainable, it's still worthwhile to keep yourself in good condition. I like to think of it as "training for my 50s" :)
I now totally understand why actors were socially below slaves back in Ancient Rome
I'm starting to understand why the Roman Empire fell
Where does this info come from? I see this everywhere now!
Romans considered actors to be a form of prostitute. They were strolling players, and barely scraped a living, so they tended to sideline in prostitution and being sugarbabies.
Underrated comment 👍🏽
Being a prostitute was a step up from actor in 18th century society
Maybe Hollywood actors have always been like this - we just didn't know cause there was no social media and interviewers didn't give them a platform to spread their BS.
I think the 40s, 50s and early-60s was probably different. You had a lot of actors who were military veterans during the war and wouldn't be such thin-skinned idiots. Even the ones who didn't serve lived through the depression and knew what real hardship was.
@@fattiger6957 The people in Hollywood from that era had done things in the real world. The current people largely have not. That's how even leftists from old school Hollywood could still make a watchable product, despite the messaging they inserted.
Although as a result of their movies, the younger generations took the message, and joined it with their "softer" upbringing to become what we see now.
@@fattiger6957 I remember reading a story about a very famous actor of the 40s (Mitchum or Wayne, not sure) who was forbidden from going to WW2 because of some health issue and was actually _angry_ about it and felt _ashamed_ his whole life because of it.
How many of those super-tolerant-do-gooder-evilfighting-activist actors would feel the same?
While I think there are certainly generational differences and today's people seem more narcissistic, people are people and I think the difference is environmental. Old Hollywood had behavior codes stars were supposed to follow and a lot of stuff got swept under the rug when they didn't. This was largely in place because societal standards were different (more rigid) than now and, of course they also didn't have access to the technology that allows anyone to broadcast that they're an idiot as often as they want. The old way had its downsides, but as usual with humanity, the pendulum only seems to be at or near the extremes of its travel rather than somewhere comfortably in the natural center so now we live with it too much in the other direction.
@@Dragblacker I think it was mentioned somewhere that back in old Hollywood people generally worked some regular jobs for a few years before getting into the business (Gene Roddenberry for example was a soldier and then a cop before becoming a tv writer in his 30s) so they had real world experience and a general sense of grounding in their acting and writing. These days people go to high school, then college then straight to the industry and have basically never known anything outside of their pampered So Cal bubble and have difficulty comprehending the lives of anyone outside it, which is a problem when that's alot of your audience. See for example, She Hulk.
So here's one thing I will give Galadriel's actress: I remember my first time doing sparring practice as a teenager. The very first time somebody ever comes at you with the intent to inflict some damage, you DO freeze up. It's instinctive, even if you know it's coming and that you're not in any real danger. That being said, you also get over it in, like.... a minute.
Comparing Vigo Mortensen as Aragon, to whatshername as guy-ladriel, is hilarious, and show how far we have fallen.
Morfydd Clark needed therapy in order to film fight scenes without flinching, meanwhile Viggo Mortensen literally deflected a dagger that was accidentally thrown directly at him and completed the scene like it was supposed to happen.
Obviously Viggo is an amazing actor and person and gave one of the best performances of all time. But we should not expect actors to ever be dodging real weapons. That is ridiculous and unacceptable. Imagine if his reflexes were half a second slower and he died.
PTSD describes what occurs to soldiers after experiencing extreme trauma/fear/horror/injury, etc.
It really ticks me off when actors/actresses @3:33 and other "soft" people throw around the term, claiming they're suffering from it.
It doesnt just apply to soldiers. Anyone who suffered extreme pain can get it. I do agree that pampered folks in hollywood are a bit too eager to use the term
@@DylanJo123 That is true. People who have lived through natural disasters, severe abuse or other life-altering events can develop PTSD. But these pampered idiots only diminish that trauma by claiming they have PTSD.
I agree completely.
Claiming that PTSD applies to war vetearns/soldiers only is like saying "assertiveness is only about capability of saying "no". Even animals can suffer PTSD.
I hate to put it out but if someone is so papered and in a safety bubble anything outside that could be traumatic and create PTSD. However I still say suck it up butter cup. If you cannot be tough well life is not for you and if times are easy enough there will be help but in tough times F- you. You Die this is the universe we live in. the universe cares not about you at all if you live or die it will re-use you mater either way.
I generally enjoy and agree with points made on Drinker's Chasers, but that whole subject of justifying Meryl Streep getting slapped and Shelly Duvall being mentally tortured because they're well paid and pampered, is a really piss poor and rather nasty take. They're not paid to be abused (no matter the price), they're paid to act.
Probably mentioned, but during Marathon Man, Hoffman went full method to prep for the dental torture scene. Once the scene was in the can, Olivier said to him, "my dear boy, you should try acting... it's so much easier." These days, Olivier would blush at how "easy" it is and lament that capturing an actual performance from this lot is nigh on impossible.
There is a difference between their rhetoric and real world results, which results in resentment. You can say you are perfect and beautiful all you like, but people in your life aren't responding like you are. They then have the decision to either reflect or double down on their delusions... we know which one they choose.
If she's traumatized by being in scripted combat with people you know have no intention of hurting you, she wouldn't survive an hour under sporadic mortar fire. One round goes off, "They got me!"
She wouldn't be able to handle one day of working in a customer service phone center, let alone a war.
Freaking Viggo Mortenson accidently got half a tooth broken filming a scene at Helms Deep and he just picked it up and asked if he could finish the scene by supergluing it in place.
@@Will_Parker Shit, really? Wow! That must have been pleasant!
@@fattiger6957 Lol. Good point!
05:30 to be fair, Jango wasn't too long ago and the famous scene with the broken glass was unscripted with that girl getting Leo's blood smeared on her.
I know in The Mummy, Arnold Vasloo was genuinely terrified when being mummified. And Brendan Fraisure was actually hung by the neck during the execution scene. Evelyn's actress said he had to be resuscitated.
Also, I do love those scenes where actors throw something in. Like Jack Sparrow's "I got a jar of dirt" scene. No one knew he was gonna do that, so their confusion was real. And in the end, when Barbosa returned, no one was told ahead of time, so their reactions were real.
For the last segment, one actor that came to mind that went "above and beyond" for his role was Alex Wolff in Hereditary(2018). Dude literally broke his own nose on a desk during the possession scene at the school.
Saw a hauntingly beautiful film this afternoon .. An Cailin Ciuin - The Quiet Girl .. small independent Irish language film, made on a shoe string .. has been nominated for best international film .. it’s amazing the emotional depth a film maker can achieve by holding back on the music and the excess dialogue .. the meaning behind queitly just leaving a biscuit on the kitchen table.
Story telling isn’t dead, just yet.
The inspiration for Ben Stiller's "Tropic Thunder" was when how actors would react to fake boot camp for the actors as if they were really had left a war
My issue is how polarizing simple, reasonable opinions have become. Like you can support making therapy more available and less stigmatized AND also tell people they need to toughen up sometimes. Abused as a child and having issues you don't understand: Get therapy. Emotionally healthy but hesitant to try stuff cause it will be hard: stop being lazy.
I'm not going to lie, I wish I could look like Thor, but I'll settle for looking like Chris Pratt. Hell, even back when he was on Parks and recreations.
Both of them used steroids. You'd look like that if you could take steroids.
@@robertodell9193 Steroids don't do that by themselves lol you also legitimately have to go the gym and lose fat.
You can do it! Habits are hard to break and build. When I had postpartum depression, the only thing I would eat were candy bars. So I tried eating protein bars instead, since that was marginally better. However, it gave me horrible gas lol so I had to give them up. I also did a 3 day fast, hoping that I would break my sugar addiction by doing so (thanks a bunch, internet). It didn't, and I dug through the trash for a thrown out donut like George Constanza afterwards. I was eating 1000s more calories than I needed, even being a nursing mom. I was severely depressed, and recognized that my destructive behavior was a symptom of that. There were times I couldn't even keep a new diet for one day.
I'll tell you what's helped, although it sounds like BS. First was sam-e, taking 2-3 tablets a day. It's just amino acids, but it has about the same effect as an SSRI. Helped me manage my situation a bit better. Months later, I weaned off of that but my problems, though less glaring, were still there. I actually turned to homeopathy. I don't think it's a placebo effect, because if it were, it probably wouldn't help my screaming teething baby lol (but it did). I continue to meet with a classical homeopath virtually. I've gotten my husband on it too, and it made a huge difference in his anxiety (which he's had for over a decade). My goal and hope is to not get postpartum depression again, as I gear up for my 3rd to be born any day now. My homeopath is at elevate homeopathy dot com, but there are plenty to be found online if you want to browse about.
Friend, I really hope you get where you need to be. Best of luck and a prayer for you.
I wanted to be an actor for years, but I was always told that I was "too sensitive," or had to develop "thick skin," or sometimes just called a straight-up "P***y." Other wannabee actors and producers always took advantage of my kindness, and any time I defended myself, I was "a jerk," or "bad to work with."
When I got older, and finally started getting over the opinions of others, and developed thick skin... take a wild guess at what happened: Everyone else are the sensitive ones, and now I'm "an uncompassionate jerk," and "behind the times," and "toxic."
I hated myself for walking away from acting, but in retrospect, I'm much happier. Besides, I try to be honest with myself. I'm a handsome straight white man, but still "too fat and old" to be a lead. I'd be playing "Douchey Dude #2" in an episode of She-Hulk or something, by this point. Or I'd be that obnoxious dude in the Wendy's ad, high-fiving everyone.
Don't even get me started on screenwriting...
I like Little Platoon's new mocap for his avatar, especially when it facepalmed. Part of the reason why I like these podcast "clips" is the reactions when something absolutely hilarious or profoundly stupid is said or quoted.
It makes more sense when, in Crazy Stupid Love, Emma Stone freaked out when she got lifted up because she had broken both her arms falling from a similar position as a child. There is an actual traumatic experience associated with that action, but Mighty Morphing Clark getting intimidated by actors in makeup so much that she had to take breaks is silly if she's had no prior experience with something like that which would trigger a response. She isn't a small child
God, as an actor myself, its your job to know your personal shit and be on top of it. So if there is some deep stuff you have to work through, you do it either before you shoot, or don't take the job with that material. Bryan Cranston said it best where its like 'you have a job to do, that's all there is to it, a job'. If you can't do it, then don't put your hand up
The biggest issue facing actors these days is this. No real world experience to fuel their roles. Most actors in the past at least had some life experience before they decided to become actors. Which gave them a decent head on their shoulders, or at least a decent understanding of how human interactions and good character development actually works.
John Wayne spent years literally sacrificing his body as an extra in Biblical epics and silent movies before he got his big break in Stage Coach, and he actually had experience as a cowboy and a World War 2 vet before became the face of cowboy movies.
Schwarzenegger was a body builder who understood discipline needed to get in shape and spent years of his life on the circuit before he decided to try to be an actor.
Bradd Pitt worked as a mascot for a Chicken restaurant in los angeles flipping a sign on the side of the road for years before he made it big.
Johnny Depps first job was as a telemarketer selling pens and printer paper over the phone to small businesses before he scored an audition as a character in Nightmare on Elm Street.
Nowadays though. Actors tend to set out to be actors from a young age and don't have any real world experience outside of trying to become actors. Either because they've been sheltered from real hardship and humiliation or just don't care for anything outside of the entertainment industry. That's not to say every actor who has come from a 'pampered' or overprotected background is necessarily going to become an oversensitive man/woman child with no identity of their own. See Keanu Reeves and Chris Pratt.
Well, it's not just the actors. I live and work in LA, but I'm seeing it really from a segment of the population that share the same belief system; the short version is that instead of being polite, if they think they're right, they see it as 100% okay to do anything from ignoring you all the way to "shouting you down". "Cancel Culture" stems from the same beliefs. There's this massive chip-on-the-shoulder tied to the absolutism of believing they are right on whatever they're talking about. Actors are the most visible, but it extends through whole industry. Worse, since they're trying to create art in their image, art is getting really damn ugly, and a rejection of that 'art' is now a rejection of 'them'. But usually, it's really just a really bad attitude shift that is summed up with, "We're not wrong, _you're_ wrong!!!" If there is one upside, I think that it has finally torn down the screen of fake humility Hollywood hid behind for years, and now we see how people in Los Angeles and most of the arts *_actually_* feel about everyone else, and it's clear they think they're better than us. I'll be frank: my first days on set were really eye-opening, but I wouldn't change it for the world because I saw first-hand that the people in this town in this industry live in a different world than the rest of us, and the further they get into it or the higher they rise through it, the more the term, "Hollywood Royalty" really does apply, with all the warts that royalty gets, like entitlement, privilege, and being completely out-of-touch with normal people.
"All good art comes from misery." - Ron Pypecock. (Circa~Dunno.)
The "Dunno" time period is underrated.
I respectfully disagree. Nature, for example, has inspired countless artists, for reasons that aren't rooted in misery at all. And some of their art is pretty damn good. I recently listened to an orchestral composition by Alma Deutscher (sp?) when she was 11 years old. She took the sounds of traffic and made them into a waltz. You should check it out, even my husband liked it (he's not much into classical).
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To be fair, nature is often misleading in its beauty. Sure, it looks nice, but if you really pay attention to what happens in nature, its chock full of pain, fear and paranoia. It also doesnt help that many things are designed to hurt or kill anything that touches them. Especially when it comes to plants and marine life. I mean, how many living things in nature are measured in terms of how poisonous they are by how colorful they look? A great many things.
But yeah, it is neat though that someone was able to turn traffic noise into music. Though many people would consider being in traffic a form of agony lol Ive had experiences that would confirm that.
That Clark therapist part was so surprising to me I had to dig a bit, looks like she actually had to do exposure therapy to prepare for battle scenes which is fine. ‘You’ve got a problem, because you’re used to being attacked on film’,” she says. “I would flinch a lot when people came at me. So they did exposure therapy with me, where I would have all these huge, huge men running at me, screaming with swords. To stop me from looking frightened.” The problems with RoP are legion, maybe not Clark’s preparation or fortitude though.
Thank you for looking this up. I was wondering if she had actually gone through something in the past which made fight scenes difficult for her, which would have been fair. But based on this, it sounds like they really just shouldn't have cast her for the part (unless she lied about her comfort level beforehand, of course)
In Robocop, when Clarence spits on the desk, only he and the director knew that was going to happen, so everyone's shocked disgust was real.
The thing that's even worse than Morfydd Clark having to get therapy after 30 seconds of fake fighting is the fact that she happily admits it in a public interview, knowing that a large chunk of society today will be okay with that.
one of the things that really bothers me about the "im powerless to change my situation" mentality is that it really writes off achievement. if you think everyone who made something of themselves, be it in their fitness journey, financial freedom, or simply climbing the ranks of career and earning status, simply lucked into those positions, it completely writes off any of the extremely hard work they put in to earn it. ive worked for years to be fit, and have scraped hard to save money, and really applied myself in my field, and ive achieved much of what i wanted through that hard work. it's really irritating for people less well off, less fit, and with less status to tell someone like myself they didnt earn it. i really really really did.
Of course you did, and congratulations.
The inverse, however, isn't true. Many people work extremely hard and do not succeed due to whatever reason.
the point is it's _tons of hard work_ plus _the right circumstances._ They work together. Well applied hard work increases the chances of success, but by no means guarantees it.
I kind of understand if people who have worked very hard for years can sometimes feel bitter about it, because a soul-crushing grind only to barely scratch average is demoralizing.
I've been chipping away at college for years, watching as all my friends finished theirs and going on to do PhDs or second degrees. I though I was worse than them, why couldn't I just get my shit together? What was wrong with me?
I overhauled my entire diet (low carb almost carnivore) to try to tackle migraines, which helped the other stuff as well, but I still went from miserable failure to a little below average.
I've been letting go of the guilt and the shame. It's _not_ my fault. I _am_ doing my best, and just got handed a rotten set of circumstances. All I can do is do my best and hope for the best.
For successes: first time I sat to start a car, I cried for hours from anxiety. Then the next day I started the car. Then I moved it a little. And so on, until I managed to drive. Now I'm an experienced driver who's driven in many countries, even straight from the airport.
@@Olivia-W I can empathise with you I got some weird condition that doctors can't seem to pin point. It's like having cystic fibrosis but it's not that. I managed to get my first two degrees but crashed and burned halfway through a PhD. And I'm realising my diet plays some kind of role too. Either that or its my digestive tract that has the issue. But in any case I achieved what I did despite my handicap. These healthy kids today have no excuse.
Either way I hope you find the source of your migranes and a way to fix it.
I also think bad writers and lack of creativity and unwillingness to try anything new also killing everything
"What if I take beloved characters someone else created, and make them unbearable cunts?" - a shitload of modern 'writers'
@@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t “That's a terrible idea.”
- An actual good writer
@@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t The girl who played Maisie in Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom and Dominion is an example of a good child actress who was given weak and meh material to work with.
Holy crap PLEASE PLEASE WATCH “VENGEANCE”. I can’t even, it’s thought provoking, simple yet complicated, the characters have meaningful dialogue, they’re SUPERBLY written, and I can’t think of a movie who’s ending I more truly needed.
I'll give it a try
I am reminded of the time, some years ago now, when a journalist interested in the gun control issue decided to do some actual research. He went down to a gun range and fired a few rounds out of an AR-15. He then went home and blogged about what a terribly traumatic experience it was. he likened it to having PTSD. The pushback and mockery was swift and extreme. First, of course, he got responses from combat veterans and other actual sufferers of PTSD telling how absurd his comparison was and what a wimp he was. Next he got responses from ordinary people who enjoy shooting just telling him what a wimp he was. I remember in particular one person posting pictures of his twelve year old daughter having great fun firing a shotgun. He soon deleted his post.
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If you were a 16-year-old soldier on the last day of WW1 you would be 111 years old this year. I don't think there were any Bilbo Baggins back then.
I think also of the opening scene of Apocalypse Now; Martin Sheen is quite drunk while Francis Ford Coppola is taunting, goading, and pushing Sheen deeper into the character Willard. You could not achieve the level of brutal intensity in the sterile paradigm of safe space acting.
I think the same could be said for modern music. Auto tune has made it so that mediocre singers are played on the radio today, but those same singers wouldn’t cut it 40-50 years ago. Back in the day there were true musicians, whereas nowadays there are performers.
When I was doing lots of stage plays, I would tell the other actors to really interrupt me in those scenes where it was written to cut in and interrupt. A couple of times I would keep talking in those scenes, until the other actor got mad and really interjected to get me to stop. It has to be a genuine reaction to something, even though it has been rehearsed a hundred times.
Shelly Duval is probably a bad example to bring up. She's not doing too well these days
Yeah, even Anjelica Huston said that she thought that Kubrick was way too harsh on Shelley.
@@sita9071 When Angelica Huston is saying that, there's a bit of a problem.
I'm sorry but the difference between Ridley Scott not disclosing what the chest burster is going to look like and Dustin Hoffman smashing a glass against the wall is massive.
No job is worth abuse. Good acting can be done without abuse. It happens every day. The name of the game is make believe. If you're one of those tools who can't give a real performance without being "method" about it, you should rethink your abilities. You've had too many yesmen around you, blowing smoke up your ass.
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I work with directors all the time who need to see it "real" before that can see it in their head.
They are hired for their talent for dreaming, imagining, and visualizing. They shouldn't need it to be real before they know it's the right choice or not.
It's one thing for an actor or actress to say that they will go where ever the scene takes them , but then on the other end of the scale you have actresses like Shelly Duvall who were systematical bullied and abused on set , and also the actress who was in the film Last Tango in Paris with Marlon Brandon , who was practically draped while filming a scene with him DOING HIS METHOD acting . YES actors and actress are pampered now, and have no life experience , but just because you are being paid to be in a film it does not mean you have to be abused to get the job done . LIKE with Laurence Olivier was filming with DUSTIN HOFFMAN and asked what he was doing running around the set to look sweaty , HE SAID YOU MIGHT WANT TO TRY ACTING DEAR BOY .
The falling scene of Alan Rickman in Die Hard. He wasn't told either so his expression was genuine.
I'm really disappointed in George the Giant Slayer here. He was kidnapped and viciously beaten as a child, yet he thinks the Kramer vs Kramer story is funny? He can't imagine why Meryl Streep, as a woman, would "freak out"? Wtf
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Wait, the LEAD ACTRESS in a medieval fantasy ACTION series could not handle men in costumes running at her?? Doesn't that make her a terrible ACTRESS by default? Not to mention why would they even cast HER in this GUYladriel role where she is supposed to be a "strong" female character?
She kept flinching in a fighting scene when people ran at her? She needed exposure THERAPY to not flinch like she was a middle school kid that flinches at sudden movements??
Nothing makes sense anymore, what planet do these Hollywood people live in because it does not seem to be Earth.
The training regimen the cast of '300' had to go through had some of the cast considering resigning their roles. One of them apparently commented to the trainer, upon being told what the training regimen would consist of, "I feel like you just told me you shot my dog.' Gerard Butler didn't go near a gym for nearly a year after filming. He said it felt like it unhinged him. To go from working so hard to nothing. He said it was worth it though. IIR the quote properly, "Every time I walked out on set I felt like a f***ing lion."
They all took steroids. Their bodies show all the hallmarks of steroid use.
"Body positivity" is for people who hate competition and don't want to have to compete because that requires work. Its like the D and F students demanding they be given A's without having to earn it.
Fortunately, it’s early morbidity for the bunch.
Fundamentally I think actors should feel safe at work. Even when you are doing brutal scenes, blurring the pretend circumstance to the point of real phycological damage is unacceptable. No gladiators please.
But what about x: yes, if ones trauma triggers easily there is a point where it makes a business suffer and I think it's fair to take that into consideration.
They did some f'ed up things in the exorcist. William Friedkin smacked one of the actors across the face before the scene so he looked raddled and confused. They put Ellen Burstyn in the hospital and injured Linda Blair in the scene when she's flopping back and forth.
Then of course in Die Hard, when Allen Rickmen fell out of the tower, they did a countdown and dropped him on three so they got real shock and fear in his face.
"[Body positivity] is kind of a movement against aspiration." It's also a movement against perspiration and movement.
If you're being serious about body standards. A curvy woman is what through the ages men want.
To a degree. That's because wide hips meant they were less likely to die during childbirth. Later a slightly heavier woman was a sign of wealth. Most women were not wealthy or large however. When you're on the edge of starvation, you're not going to be "curvy".
Understandable as a lot of them are nepo babies and Disney child actors. If you didn't earn your job through pure effort you're unlikely to do anything truly challenging.
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Kubrick let R Lee Ermey do the Boot Camp Scene stone cold (the "recruit" actors separately rehearsed). Thus, the very pure emotions expressed.
And all the stories of actors getting hurt mid-scene and keep going. These pampered actors would up and quit because of a scratch and sue because of safety issues.
Good actors would have channelled the adrenaline they got from being rushed by an Orc with a latex head and a plastic sword to inform and enhance their performance instead of running to a therapist.
During the filming of a scene in the Two Towers where Aragorn kicks a helmet, Viggo Mortenson actually broke his toe. Instead of breaking into tears and stopping the shoot, he channeled the pain into his performance. You can see it in the movie.
This is why I'm so happy I found Brazilian jiu-jitsu. Assuming you're at a legit gym it's completely a meritocracy. While everyone is friendly and helpful they are going to kick your ass for YEARS. It builds character. It took me just over 8 years to get my brown belt, if I was handed it on day 1 it wouldn't mean anything.
Sounds like you found a solid gym! I can't stand belt factories. We had a transfer to our Krav Maga gym from one of those, he was terrible. Like, early level 2 capabilities (yellow belt, I think), but he was training in the level 4 class (blue belt?). That class never had more than 10 people in it at a time, it was a really hard earn. He really thought he was at that level, I still wince thinking about it. He attempted to test into level 5 and had to be hospitalized (kidney issues, not injury) (I know because my husband was there, the tests were very private).
I also think of Alan rickman being dropped early on die hard to get his actual surprise of being dropped.
@6:18 - No, the cast of Alien absolutely knew that the chestburster would be coming out of Kane (John Hurt). Of course they did, because they had read the f-ing script and John Hurt was in position, with a fake body. Shots like that take a long time to setup and the cast were seeing it all being put together. In fact, the first attempt at filming the effect failed, as the chestburster wasn't breaking through the fake body (you can see this failed attempt on the Blu-Ray special features).
Furthermore, the effects team were saying things such as "has it come through yet, Bob?", with a thick cockney accent, from beneath the table, so it was hardly a terrifying sight to behold on set (these things rarely are, if ever). What some of the cast were surprised by was just how bloody the effect was (in particular, Veronica Cartwright, who accidentally got splattered in the face with a small amount blood). I really wish that people would stop peddling BS trivia which has already been debunked decades ago.
I have to admit that when I got heavy at one point in my life, and having been accustomed to turning heads most of my life, it took only once for a man to literally avoid my gaze and look the other way for me to walk my ass right by the bakery and down to the health food store. My vanity couldn't handle that rejection. I dropped 30 pounds and never picked it back up again. It wasn't easy, but it was easier than losing that admiration I was accustomed to, at least for me. My husband loved me either way, he supported my diet goals and we got fit together. I never blamed society for making me feel fat. I fixed what was wrong with me.
Actors these days are so generic. Before in cinema you went to see new movie. You went to see what new character the actor was transforming themselves into, regardless of genre. Now the actor/actress name is irrelevant, people are going to watch the fictional characters new movie. We don't see the new Chris Hemsworth movie, we see the new Thor. Several actors and directors have pointed this out as well.
Cinema and entertainment is in a rough spot these days, aren't they?
Agreed, I'm watching that 90s show and a big problem I have is that the kid actors are to pampered, they don't have real emotion in their scenes.
I am an Iraqi War vet. I never shot my rifle in theater. I am/was a quartermaster. I do have severe PTSD. Actors pretend!!!!!
New title
*Pampered fragile people are ruining everything*
*women
How is Leonardo Decaprio not the head of method actors everywhere. He’s the role model of how to act
I'm scared that he's gone woke as well.
Hilarious that a woman whos basically made a superhero in non a superhero show, easily taking down trolls that gave the entire Fellowship trouble, is actually traumatized by the strong female empowerment she's asked to do.
George the Giant Slayer at the end describing dustin hoffman and meryl streep film, so many directors and actors have done that kind of thing to get the genuine surprise, etc reaction out of the actors/s. Ridley Scott did it with the chest-burster scene in "Alien".