How the Cass Review exposed the trans cult | spiked podcast
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There was a reason activists fought tooth-and-nail to prevent studies like these from being done in the first place.
And the managers at GIDS in Tavistock refused to hand over data.
That is criminal when they are hiding medical abuse.
Yep, yet their denial was at the expense of vulnerable people - they are legitimately responsible for elements of the harm caused just like those in the medical field who lied to themselves/ ignored their Hippocratic oath in favour of herd behavior.
We should honestly be reviewing the medical licenses of the lead doctors involved due to their sheer disregard of people's well-being - this whole thing has operated as an experiment on kids effectively.
Exactly. I totally agree with you.
Mengele loved gender experiments on kids too
capitalism
What has been so disturbing is the absence of consideration of the simple fact that children become adults who will desire personal relationships in their lives and for so many that will have now been denied them.
Indeed.
And we, rightly, deny minors the ability to consent to adult relationships... Yet, as you say, with no consideration at all, they've been given carte blanche to ruin adult relationships for the entire adulthood to come - in pursuit of something they couldn't possibly understand and which the clinicians responsible for caring for them abdicated responsibility for due diligence.
Can you even be regarded as an adult if you never went through puberty
It is the main branch (?) of the de-population programme. A form of mass sterilisation, but presented as a teenage adventure.
@@mountainsofmourne I can't honestly believe it is...
Not least because it wouldn't achieve anything - westernised populations are already generally struggling to maintain themselves, it's only immigration and the breeding of recent immigrant demographics that are preventing population declines at the national level.
A bit like the drives to net zero - it'd be completely ignoring the basic facts about where the most carbon (and population growth) is being generated, ie: in countries that have no interest in western concerns.
@@keycuz This video is about euthanasia.
The government is telling parents they can't say No. They should be held accountable for their laws.
And what reason do they give for not being able to act when schools and libraries indoctinate children!!!??? People are making so much money out this abhorrent cruelty to children.
The entire government should be replaced by decent, honest, well informed people. Andrew Bridgen as the only exception.
@@roslynaubrey7766 it,s all by design , new puppets same agenda .. ssdd😮
No, they aren't. Stop lying. This whole video is lying and doesn't know what the hell they are talking about, just like Cass isn't.
She has made countless of recommendations that seems to suggest she doesn't know what the Dutch model she is riled up about actually entails.
By the way: she didn't research anything, she looked at countless research papers, and discounted a lot of them for not having control groups, which is very common in medicine, but obviously was very easy to use as a weapon now, hoping to abuse a severe lack of knowledge regarding medical research that the general public tends to have.
@@maggieattenborrow6725 How? Hormones are not exactly profitable drugs, and with the amount of transchildren that start taking them at 16 (less then 100 each year) you'd almost wonder how much money they are able to make with that...
Or is it that it's not about the drugs and simply about fiercely hating transchildren/transpeople and wanting to have a scientific sounding basis for discrimination, hate and transphobia, hoping that she is not going to be pictured as someone who is viciously hating a group of people she never was allowed to treat anyway?
Puberty blockers are also used for another group of children, but I don't hear you spouting conspiracy theories about those...
I also don't hear you spout conspiracy theories about cis-women and their hormones, which is also odd: according to you giving people gender-affirming care is a biiiiig business...
Yet somehow I feel that with a total of less than 100 children each year, there's a bigger profit to be made somewhere else...
I wonder what it was......maybe opioids?
Like, that is still an actual epidemic and very much a conspiracy in which money over people's lives was the more important factor and balance...
Absolutely horrific what they've done to these children.... Let the law suits begin
Why are you talking about trans people here? This is about euthanasia.
Law suits that then are paid by the tax payers Hurrah! (not in all cases depending on country)
Yeah agreed
The Cass review was an amazingly unscientific dishonest and deceitful transphobic screed. And at the Kite interview below Dr Cass back pedals and takes everything back.
thekitetrust.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/Cass-Review-Mythbusting-Q-and-A.pdf
Sadly lawsuit is the only language politicians and corporations understand...
There will be so many lawsuits, class action lawsuits and numerous politicians and doctors going to prison around the world...the number of lawsuits will be financially crippling for many hospitals, states, provinces and nations
Imagine if people thought it acceptable to tell anorexic kids that their view of themselves as grossly overweight was fully valid, and we should be giving them stomach staples on the NHS. In both cases the young person is suffering from a dysphoria about which we understand pitifully little, other than that the numbers of sufferers is growing rapidly
If you tell me you’re crazy, I’d believe you. If you tell me you’re normal I wouldn’t believe you.
I hope all these doctors and surgeons get sued.
@@llkoolbean4935 I hope everyone in existence gets sued therefore the courts will spend years delivering justice
Why are you talking about this? The video is about euthanasia.
@@Gay_Detransitioneryou must have some very potent crack Nancy.
The Cass review has given credibility and ammunition to politicians in Canada opposed to surgical and hormonal treatment of children for gender dysphoria
Good!
I've been seeing that and I'm glad. As much as I'm worried about my own country (the UK), I'm even more worried about Canada which seems to be far ahead down a very dark path. I hope this helps turn things around.
The idea that true things must not be said if somewhere there exists a person you don’t like who might enjoy hearing them is (a) ridiculous, (b) totalitarian and (c) precisely how we got into this mess.
Any politician, therapist, teacher, parent etc who actually cares about children, and vulnerable adults would be wise to watch the four part Swedish documentary "The Trans Train" about the Karolinska institutes GIDS clinic and how "trans activisim" has extremely harmful implications for children worldwide, but especially for women in places like India, The 4 part documentary "Dysphoric" is a must see.
Yes, and I hope this will start waking up more Canadians to the truth about children transitioning.
I give them about ten minutes before they figure out that the way to circumvent this is to reframe the mere utterance of the words “Cass report” as a “right-wing talking point”
"Right wing talking point" has become a thought terminating cliché, they think it's a magical phrase that ends the argument lol.
Far right!
Yep, they already are
Alt right
@@Ben-zr4ho I don’t even think the distinction is being made anymore. Everything arguably to the right of themselves is conflated with FAR right. You just have to say “that’s a thing right-wing people would say” for the thought terminating cliche to do its work. You are then relieved of any obligation to try to understand what is being said, gauge whether or not it is or is not true or valid in its own terms, and respond to it. Once you can label it as “bad person talk”, you don’t have to engage with its substance at all.
I have wealth dysphoria. my bank account must be Affirmed.
Identify as an asylum seeker. I hear they have it pretty good.
@@TheOfficialPatriarchy It’s fun to make a cheeky joke, but at the end of the day, you know damn well that you wouldn’t want to trade places with an asylum seeker. Someone who will never in their lifetime accumulate the wealth that you have, but are here in the hopes that their children might have a chance. If you were born into the situation they were, you’d be here seeking asylum too. You’re lying if you say you wouldn’t. If you’re unable to have a bit of empathy when looking at the situation from this perspective, there’s really no hope for you.
@@dewilew2137 Preach all you want, I do not even believe most asylum seekers are seeking said asylum on legitimate grounds.
They are economic migrants abusing the system to invade richer countries and we all know it.
This steals valuable space and resources for legitimate asylum seekers but blind virtue signallers are too naive to realize when they are being taken advantage of.
Finally...... I'm not alone....😅
@@dewilew2137 Most asylum seekers are economic migrants abusing the asylum system under false pretenses.
Only women and children should be allowed to seek asylum.
Fighting age men should be required to stay in their country and fight for its freedom.
What is so absurd and astounding to me is how many adults went along with it and politicians. Psychologist and Psychiatrist. It was like they were all in a fever dream. The ones who pushed back were called phobic. People need to be held accountable. When these kids grow up and want to start families there is going to be a reckoning. So many were damaged. It’s heartbreaking especially when their parents and the physicians should’ve protected them.
There was big Pharma money pushing this in the U.S. Weak men let this happen. If men don’t restrict liberal white women from running roughshod over society they will destroy it.
Well said. How on earth could anyone believe this nonsense and why did the majority who knew deep down this was nonsense stay silent and for so, so long.
@@joce11 It's all like the South Sea Bubble of 1720 where there was a mania of financial speculation - where money was lost. it is a form of mass hysteria.
I think one of the issues with these parents is, they were never taught to question these ideologies. Throw in the Mother of the Year Award Running 2000-2024 Jeannette Jennings and well there you have it. Some people emulate what they see in the media without questioning.
With enough marketing, people become convinced of anything. Look at Brexit. And there is insane money in this.
We stand with J. K. Rowling and Graham Linnehan🙏
And kelly jay keen
Absolutely.
Definitely Kelly Jay Keen , the despicable behaviour she and her family have endured is reprehensible!
We do
Yes
Queer Theory made this happen. Queer Theory and its practitioners need to be held to account for this.
@NorthernObserver - You could also take it back to radical feminism.
As a gay man I agree
What they have done to these kids is as irresponsible as the opiate epidemic
@@jaykay0401And remind us what they were saying about gay men in the 80’s
@@thetransagender2866 ain’t the 80s now
Calling it cult is putting it mildly
As Helen Joyce has said, it’s a godless neo-religion.
Oddly enough, I agree that cult is too soft a word for what has been going on. Common sense has been peer pressured into this madness.
It’s nothing short of abuse and exploitation of children by parents, educators, government bodies and politicians. Anyone who advocated for this whilst the greater public were shamed for speaking up should be held accountable and punished.
@kittyroo9294No, the number of poor, ill educated, 'working class', transed, is stunning.
@@SunYellow-zh7vx the majority of children were initially from middle and upper middle class families. Next were children in care and low income children who were referred to gids by schools.
What in un-nerving to me is that the numbers of girls who fell into anorexia is comparable the numbers of girls now who declare themselves "trans". It appears to me the desire to be noticed, attractive, and receiving attention is in operation in both. Girls are particularly vulnerable to this need for affirmation. It certainly aligns with the ratios of girls to boys we are seeing now.
Mass Hysteria / Social Contagion... 🙄
@@ME24689 When something social like this suddenly jumps 3000% over a period of just a couple of years? Oh yes. There is every reason to consider that possibility.
@@ME24689 This video is about euthanasia.
@@ME24689 Lisa Littman's study has been debunked hard. But thanks for showing you don't care about factually accurate science, just like Cass doesn't.
@@patraic5241 Did you try and find out the rest of that graph you pulled this number from? No. You'd see that there's a stabilization and a decrease after 2016.
But that didn't fit the narrative of "LOOK AT THIS INCREASE THAT'S EXPONENTIAL AND SOUNDS MORE SCARY IN PERCENTAGES!!1"
Because the amount of transboys increased from like 8 to 272. The graph you are referring to by the way also only shows referral rates. Not treatment rates.
But as usual, transphobes like to abuse statistics without really understanding what they are really talking about, just as they tend to rarely know what the treatment process entails...
The Lesbian community has been faced with this for around 20+ years. It’s only recently impacted mainstream society.
tHIS VIDEO IS ABOUT EUTHANASIA
Kellie Jay Keen and the Let Women Speak community have been vocal about that. I never hear anyone else bring it up, it needs more spotlight.
@@NiaLaLa_V Gee...I wonder why it's not been brought up more... Maybe because it's not true and a conspiracy?
They haven't: the amount of lesbian woman has actually been doing fine in the UK, just as it has been in The Netherlands...
I think the issue is it's been so one-sided over the last decade that it's just a breathe of fresh air to see some opposing interest in the debate finally.
The fascinating thing is that Cass tried in her report to be unbiased, so it's not even "one side" being heard - it's just the evidence and the facts that are showing it was all a bunch of madness
It just so happens that one side was working with facts and evidence but the other side was based upon feelings and ideology
@@marcus.H Cass is biased as fuck...she never researched anything, she just looked at many research papers and discounted a lot of them for being "bad", mereloy because they are lacking control groups.
And that just happens to be a very common thing in medical research, because in most cases, doctors know that not treating someone will lead to more disastrous outcomes, and is considered the actual unethical thing to do.
Cass also ignored precisely the papers that found positive effects of treating transchildren.
Next to that, if she was only concerned about the drugs involved, why is she now heavily advocating against treating children?
Because there is this other group of children that transphobes like to remain eerily silent about: children experiencing precocious puberty, getting the same drugs, the same physical health screening as transchildren, yet, ONLY in transchildren these drugs are dangerous?
Tell me how that's not a bias? Tell me how that's not a former pediatrician hoping to cash in on the massive lack of knowledge the general public tends to have regarding these drugs?
Also: With her now retaliating against trans adults: Tell me how that's still about "a concern for the children".
Tell me how that is not about downright hating transchildren, merely because a gender identity health service was concerned patient-doctor confidentiality was going to be revoked by Cass due to the tremendous amount of transphobia in UK politics.
Transpeople who have a succesful story (as most of them do after being treated with these supposedly superharmful drugs) were also interviewed by Cass, and have spoken out for not seeing any of the positivity in the report regarding them.
This shows a bias again.
It is not one-sided: Cass is just blatantly wrong. Also, you don't seek out the information of a direct contact of Ron DeSantis to get some guidance on making your report. Guidance meant to know how to do as much damage.
Cass is eerily silent about these other groups of people receiving the same drugs:
Children experiencing precocious puberty.
People receiving treatment against endometriosis.
People in cancer (prostate- and breast) treatment.
People in IVF treatment programs.
But yet somehow, they are fiiiiiine there. That to me shows it's not about the drugs, but about hating the children that get it.
Otherwise she should've spread the same panic about those other treatments.
But she didn't. She even retaliated against trans adults receiving healthcare. That also shows it was never about protecting children, it was all about viciously hating them, so much that she wants to impose her personal ideas on how hateful these people should be approached throughout a big part of their life.
Which includes treating transpeople from their 17th to their 26th as children...you know, when people have been of legal age for 7 years already...
It's not difficult to see how easy you can draw a parallel with how the abortion debate is typically held: women are called emotionally unstable and "influenced" there as well...
I still find it shocking that doctors have happily gone along with treatment that makes their patients disabled.
How do they sleep at night?
Big bags of money. ☹️☹️☹️
They just get a salary in the uk
Disabled? Just like children experiencing precocious puberty receiving the same drugs were made disabled? Just like people in IVF treatment, treatment against cancer and endometriosis were made disabled?
I mean, it sure seems Cass singled out a particular group of children she doesn't like instead of actually being worried about the drugs involved: I never heard her getting riled up about all those other treatment goals...
*Consenting adult women wanting to get their tubes removed because they know they dont want kids.
Doctors:😬Absolutely not!😤
*Gender non conforming and gay kids struggling from feeling pressure to conform to gender roles.
Doctors: 😃Great!! Let's get you sterilized!!😃😃
How was this allowed to happen? Mermaid and Stonewall need to be taken to court.
They need to absolutely lose charity status! 🤨
They should all be in prison!!
How were lobotomies allowed to happen?
Stonewall is still receiving government funding. ThIS must end. NOW.
Has anybody here actually talked to a trans or queer person and asked what they want or what their experience has been?
Or is there just a lot of cis people discussing issues they have no first hand experience of?
Much like how abortion rights often get decided by men.
This is one of the many reasons that as a gay man I have been speaking up about this trans ideology movement. It hurts same sex attracted and gender non-conforming youths who would otherwise just grow up to be regular gay men and women. Even saying that fact is met with allegations of bigotry and transphobia
So many gay men say this. My nephew included.
It’s transing the gay away!
Which is what Kathleen Stott said which got her hounded out of her job. She was basically an apostate then.
Thank you!
@@angelawest9759lol, “trans the gay away”. I’d rather “pray the gay” over that anyday
Yes, this cult is horribly homophobic and misogynist.
@@xanander4693well clearly that’s not worked 🙄
And how are we going to help adult casualties come to terms with this lie and betrayal of trust? Knowing several family members caught in this insanity, I''m very concerned.
The problem is is that the cult people are listened to and sensible people are not. So what has happened is the cult has literally taken over womens spaces and no one does anything about it.
😂 What drivel
@@thetransagender2866 No it's not. Also, the fact your username is essentially 'the trans agenda' tells us all we need to know. Enjoy it while you can, because the pendulum is starting to swing back the other way, and it's going to be biblical. People have had enough of your bullsh*t.
@@thetransagender2866 Hardly. Your constant aggression toward and mockery of women proves it true. It's a fundamentally misogynistic ideology.
@@thetransagender2866 You can choose to remain ignorant, and part of the problem, or you can wake up and look around you, and be part of the solution.
@@lil-al Or you could just believe what the Christian funded anti trans you tube channels tell you
Every government, institution, organization, group, activist or individual that participated in, supported or defended this social contagion of industrial chemical and surgical butchery of preadolescents must be investigated, charged and imprisoned for this conspiracy of abuse. The progressive shibboleth of “affirming care” was a passport for abomination.
How many children each year, according to you receive this "social contagion treatment" resulting in the "chemical and surgical butchery of preadolescents"?
Yeah, but it's not progressive
All the people who have lost jobs because they didn't accept the Trans ideology....will they get them back I wonder.
Probably don't want them back...Don't want mine. There will be no accountability, it'll just get swept under the rug like people's actions during the 'pandemic'.
@@cometczar This video is about euthanasia, why are you making it all about trans people?
Sad to say😒😒😒😒
I mean they still seem to have the lock on "Community Manager" positions
And the parents who had their children removed from them because they wouldn’t go along with the progression of the gender change from a young age.
Hopefully this aids in ending the witch hunt of the sane and rational.
What I don't get is Why? Why do ppl think that there are Trans kids suddenly.? 15 years ago nothing!! No trans kids! HOW have teachers who have taught for years before there were trans in any number like 0 think this is normal?
Very good point 👍🏽
The same way suddenly there was a bunch more left handed people when it was socially acceptable
The same way more autistic people are being diagnosed these days
The same reason mental health issues seem more common
These things have always been there, there just wasn't the social acceptance or understanding to talk about them
These people have always existed, they are often just erased from history because they are a minority. Think of how women's history was erased, when they are 50% of the population, now imagine that from a group much much smaller than that.
@@Greylobstersuicide rates for trans people are astronomically high, you can look them up yourselves.
Also, the detransition rate is less than 1%, I don't know how exactly you come to the conclusion gender affirming healthcare is harmful when that's the case.
The detransition rate would be much much higher if people were falsely encouraged to change their gender.
So when I was 8 I started to experience feelings of gender dysphoria, and those feelings only strengthened as I went into my teenage years. However, around the age of 16 or 17, those feelings went away-not entirely, but *almost* entirely. People need to wait and for *most* kids who experience gender dysphoria it will go away... but that's not how the trans movement gets more activists, so PUMP THOSE KIDS FULL OF HORMONES!!!
@FayeWildhart where is your evidence for that statement? More trans people commit suicide years after "tranistioning" an oxymoron if ever there was one. Wherexard the supposed bodies of the thousands of trans people who committed suicide? The studies are non existent somyour statements make no sense. Children have been lied to, parents have been lied to, teachers are lyjng, doctors are lying and the pharmacy industrial complex is rolling in the money that is full of castrated, mutilated children's blood and body parts. The contempt that mermaids and stonewall have had for the public should mean both are defunded and closed down now, before any further harm is done
The western world has gone mad!
Why can't people say no to children? I don't know - could it be the ridiculous rise in the power of child "protective" services since the 90's, along with a relentless campaign of child centered propaganda?
Yes the kids not given enough guidance and support from their parents. Kids need discipline.
Parents heard from multiple sources (doctors, teachers, social workers, all over the media) that, in the case of "gender identity", the child knows best.
@clovermark39 I feel like kids these days are all Eric Cartman and the moms are all Cartman's mom with not a strong dad in sight.
There is shed loads of money to be made out of Childs issues!!! Any charity that you want to support should be investigated as to where the money is going.....first of all, look at the CEO's salary, that will indicate so much. Childrens lives has been the least of fake charities concerns. Always follow the money!!!!!
‘Now, as found fathers,
Having bound up the threat’ning twigs of birch.
Only to stick it in their children’s sight
For Terror, not to use; in time the rod
Becomes more mocked than feared; so our decrees,
Dead to infliction, to themselves are dead,
And liberty plucks Justice by the nose;
The baby beats the nurse, and quite athwart
Goes all decorum.’
‘Measure for Measure’, William Shakespeare, 1604
People complaining about their kids is nothing new. Best to stop imagining everything is worse now than it ever has been.
The travesty of encouraging young people to make physical changes that are irreversible, sterilization, voice changes, hair growth changes, etc. is horrific. We have no idea of the long term effects of hormone use either…disgusting, disgraceful, unconscionable.
This video is about euthanasia
Don’t ignore the fact that the 2004 Gender Recognition Act is still in place. This should be repealed and until it is repealed trans ideology will still take place in some form .
Absolutely agree!
Allowing people to have official documents that lie, is very strange indeed.
And it empowers the mentally disturbed, fetishistic, individuals.
@@SunYellow-zh7vx And all while other countries have this legislation in place, it has not lead to a noticeable rise in abuse statistics.... But thanks for using an extreme-right talking point to show how little you care about our rights.
And also how you'd love for us to get in trouble by having to be forced to use the men's restroom.
Along with, indirectly also strongly suggesting that we need genital inspection police near every bathroom and changing room.
Grow up.
I’m so proud of everyone who had the presence of mind to oppose this absolute insanity.
It is a total safeguarding failure . As a youth worker I questioned management about the current' at the time' affirmation model and met a wall . I worked with a highly autistic person who told me, when i asked why he wanted a female name and breasts . He said giys on line said they pay if he had a penus and breasts. 😮. Obviously being groomed. Over a year I was screamed at for misgendering , forgetting pro nouns by accident and had to protect other young people who were confused about the gender debate from attacked . The whole thing has been totally shocking
There could be some huge legal cases in the future I hope the managers have saved up for some lawyers.
You wouldn’t believe what they’ve done to my child.
Absolutely infuriating!!🤬🤬
This past few months with this and the leak of the WPATH files has been both vindicating for those of us who have been vilified for being opposed to such insanity but also heartbreaking for all those poor children who have been done irreparable harm for the sake of an ideology devoid of truth.
How many children are treated each year according to you?
The problem with the USA if anyone at all questions best practice medicine, as Ive seen it called.
They are labeled a far right extremist, or transphobic, its a civil rights issue for them
I wish you guys could be the voice of reason.
No one here can say anything.
Its like an Orwellian dystopia over here
this is when the bbc should do the right thing and follow this but there is nothing on their front page - shameful!
There has been. There definitely has been. And just like my national news broadcaster in The Netherlands failed to do it's job on the report, the BBC also wrote about it in one of the most critiqueless fashion I have ever seen. This report is biased as fuck and should've received some serious backlash from an organisation like the BBC, with some critical questions that this report fails to answer, or downplays.
@@Dutch3DMaster so, is it ok for kids to be mutilated to justify middle age transvestites need for acceptance
After just watching Owen Jones’s take on the Cass report, Tom and Ella were just what I needed!
I doubt I could of sat through that video, kudos to you. ❤
Was he dismissing it as 'Far right' propaganda?
@@kevinmaltby4202 “Trans hostility…”
@@ajikpajik9331 Was a tough watch!
Why are you talking about trans people on a euthanasia video?
What's more important is outing those deluded Dr's and people who promoted this destructive behaviour.
Clinicians and their governing bodies (eg BPS, BACP, UKCP) are directly culpable and accountable but are doing very little to accept their responsibility. They actually were the adults, literally in the room and we need to know what went wrong!
UKCP announced, last week, I think - belatedly - that it is no longer supporting the memorandum of understanding on conversion therapy due its concerns about the effect on children. NHS England, Wales and Scotland are still signatories.
@@carltaylor6452Interesting, but why oh why did these leads do this in the first place?
It must have been money... Or political influence...and a complete lack of ethics... because this is not rocket science.
And every signatory needs to be retired permanently.
I still feel the UK CP needs to go further. They are still deluded. I feel very cross the nonsense hoops that trainees have to jump through to illustrate they are utterly inclusive and non biiggeted to fall in with this ideology. The UKCP utterly captured.
A person trains for years to make sure that as a counsellor you do not collude with your client in whatever illusion they are caught in. But that goes out the window with gender AFFIRMING care.
Thank you for standing up for women and the LGB people. These are terrifying times to speak publicly.❤
Do you realize that Cass' recommendations look eerily similar to how abortion debates are being held?
Can you also tell me how many children receive treatment each year, according to you?
And yes, they are terrifying times to speak publicly: because transpeople won't shut up anymore when bunk science or "research" is meant to target their healthcare.
Transpeople are not opposed to science: they simply don't like it when someone treats them as mentally disabled idiots like Cass did.
See the resemblance with abortion?
I think many parents who knew that affirming their child’s apparent gender dysphoria wouldn’t help had the fear of either their child being removed by social services if they refused to “affirm” or the fear that their child might commit suicide if they didn’t affirm their perceived gender.
I agree with the point about virtue signalling though. It’s terrible what people will allow to happen because they don’t want to come across as politically incorrect.
What's interesting is in the area of suicide no studies were done to confirm kids would resort to it if they didn't get this treatment. You set up a study to say 'have you ever felt.....' or 'would you resort to x if you didn't get....', the answers are going to be what the study intends them to be. Yet since time began, males resort to it in far greater numbers than females even though young girls now make up 70% of all so called disphoria cases in the gender clinic the UK had. People in such fields know that darn well. If you're so weak kneed you'd rather be seen as the good guy than be the good guy which means sometimes saying no, you shouldn't be working with children full stop.
@@tkpsMen actually don't resort to suicide more than women, they just choose more violent methods and so have higher rates of death.
I dont need a doctor or a commision or a study to tell me you cant put a "pause button" on biology. Anytime someone said that to me I would just respond, "Wow so youve literally cured death? Humanity is functionally immortal now?"
A pause button... I mean really. How stupid do you think I am?
They were betting on the gullibility of a more frail and weak mind. They went for the young, from kindergarten to university, they taught them WHAT to think, instead of HOW to think.
I asked my partner recently to describe her Uni experience to me, and I was appalled. There is a 6 year gap between us. I was educated in Asia, and she is doing hers in Europe.
Apparently, in her studies they mostly learn about progressive theories, it’s mostly theories, there are trigger warnings everywhere and they can opt out if their feelings can’t handle it, courses have „open objectives“ (no set goal to work or improve towards, you are graded on an ambiguous and subjective metric) their debates are not debates because it is an echo chamber, opposing thoughts and ideas are silenced or given a biased perspective and quickly dispelled for being racist, sexist, transphobic etc. They are being taught to see in black and white and are blind to the nuances. They learn so much about oppression, on all the ways the world is oppressed. Culture this, race that, gender here.. it’s exhausting. If her opinions get questioned it turns into „I just want everyone to accept my views without questioning it, it is so emotionally exhausting to explain“- it sends red flags popping all over.
I am very concerned for her and can only hope that entering the work force and experiencing real life will get her out of this delusion.
We are reaping what we sowed. We were too tolerant, too nice, and now too afraid to speak out against it and call it for what it is.
So, all those children experiencing precocious puberty who were treated with the exact same drugs still entered puberty? All those people in IVF treatment who got GnRH antagonists (what puberty blockers are really called) are not experiencing the drug preventing the ripening of eggs?
All those cis-girls and cis-women taking the contraceptive pill have not paused their hormonal cycle by artificially keeping up the estrogen levels so that the body doesn't release an egg and prepare the body for fertilizing of this egg and the dividing egg eventually nestling in the lining of the uterus?
All those children at risk of becoming so tall it'll be detrimental to their health possibly getting the same drugs administered still grew problematically tall?
All those children at risk of having their puberty blocked BY THEIR OWN BODY (something they were concerned about when I was young, causing me to go through the boy-girl transchild puberty screening basically) can't be treated with medication to get around that situation?
Because if so, it sure as hell seems like you are better off with a doctor explaining to you that your medical knowledge is based on very troublesome personal views that in no way resemble reality...
@@maystrehmel4615 "We are too tolerant, too nice".
Explain to me how that sounds anything but "We need people to grow up with more hatred towards them, we need to bully them much more than we already do!!"
All that with transpeople typically already experiencing a lot of hell for being trans...
Tell me how I should view that any different than that... This is insane.
@@Dutch3DMaster but that is not what I said. You are inferring malicious intent when there was none.
I am not advocating for more hate, what I mean to say is that we should all dial back on the moral relativism.
I am saying that people need to be taught to think for themselves, that we need to be an honest society again and not one that constantly coddles and affirms. People wouldn‘t be so fragile and constantly offended if they had a stronger sense of self. If we care about someone, we tell them the truth. If we only want to help ourselves, we tell them what they want to hear. The snowflake generation does need to grow up, but it doesn’t mean the way I want to do that is by feeding them to the lions.
Being honest and truthful is not synonymous with hate.
Now to your next issue: the real transgenders should be filtered out, they should be helped, and we should find out how to best help them. It shouldn’t be politicised, nor taught in schools so it doesn’t become „trendy“ and create false statistics.
@@Dutch3DMasterWould it be safe to assume that you got emotionally triggered? You are misrepresenting my views.
No shortage of “ I told ya so” at the moment but where have you been in the past, only the brave have been out there from the beginning, Kelly jay, jk Rowling, Germaine Greer , graham Linahan
Ban abortion next.
"Ersatz religion". Perfectly put.
People used to say it says alot about a culture when you see the way they treat the elderly......children were always understood to be off limits. We should be ashamed of ourselves. And the parents that gave in.......
I’ve been incredibly surprised by the response. Largely the lack of surprise from the people who’ve been pushing this, ‘oh no harm done’, like they knew themselves the whole time.
But worse has been some at LBC who have blamed the people trying to raise this for being too ‘toxic’ to listen to; for forcing them to adopt the wrong position to oppose our ‘toxicity’.
The left have gone soon far left that moderates, centrists and conservatives appear to be so-called "far right". 🤨
You mean James O'Brien...knobhead supreme
@@MultiLlewis bingo
@@MultiLlewis a lot of people are way too prepared for having been wrong on this.
I'm surprised that Cass has faced so little criticism from something like the BBC. I'm surprised Cass has been able to push this rhetoric now also retaliating against trans adults.
That way mostly showing that she never was concerned about puberty blockers (something also shown by the fact that the Interim Report she made earlier made her state "There is no strong evidence to suggest a strong position to take on the treatment with puberty blockers", yet here we are now).
She just wanted to create a scientific sounding basis for her hate and discrimination.
Transpeople in general are not against more research: we are against the people weaponizing their incompetence of researching the subject well and use the result against the trans community.
Cass never researched anything, she just reviewed a ton of evidence and discarded a lot of it for lacking control groups.
This is probably out of the ide of hoping to reach a general public unaware of the situation in which these control groups are common not to be used throughout medical research, because it leads to people, sometimes at risk of dying of not getting treatment.
That outcome is something doctors ACTUALLY deem unethical, and immoral, and thus, is practically always impossible to use.
Yet she claims that all research not having one is bad research. Almost all of the papers that support the positive outcome of a treatment with puberty blockers are also among the ones she claims are bad research, which is quite surprising, because it's actually those papers that had the researchers do their work well, opposed to Cass.
I just don't believe you can supress the natural growth of your body without negative ramifications. We need geneticists and biologists to have their opinions on this, not social scientists and gender theory majors...
You don't? Gee...wow, I wonder how those children at risk of becoming so tall it's unhealthy get their growth halted then... I wonder how those children experiencing precocious puberty are not suffering severely detrimental consequences of having received the same drugs, just like people in cancer treatment, endometriosis treatment and IVF treatment ...
Did you decide to not look into these drugs and believe Cass on her word? Because it sure seems like you don't care about science...science that, in the case of Cass was ignored whenever it supported the treatment for having positive outcomes...
Yeah. Let's debate on it for kids AFTER there's actual long term studies to show if it's safe or not.
It's not over yet. Plenty of work still to do.
The longest journey begins with the first step.
There needs to be a public inquiry into the whole way institutions and corporations have been ideologically captured by the Gender Identity movement.
It's not just that the adults didn't say no. It's that they encouraged it. Anyone without a PHD behind their name had no business promoting medical treatment.
I was just about to say the same thing. These kids are being groomed. Yes, Cass highlights the NHS waiting lists. But what are they on a waiting list for? It seems to me that parents and carers need to say, "no more" and to keep their kids away from these Dr Transensteins and their awful therapeutic lackeys. The mutilations are still going on. The culture wars and toxic debate are actually part of the problem. These slurs have been used to silence us.
And yet, here is someone (Cass) without a PhD in endocrinology and psychology making grand, bold statements about what she considers harmful based on her personal motivation based on nothing but hate.
But sure, let's take your idiot statement seriously: Who promoted this?
Did it ever occur to you that some parents (part of a group of less then 100 children per year receiving treatment) might have the best for their child in mind?
Because if you practice absolutely everything around this subject to any other medical situation it becomes fucking ridiculous (just like Vaush mentioned about diabetics).
Kudos for the PAID internship.
Unfortunately I dont see this scandal being reported as it should be on mass media
I hope this beings on more pushback against all this political bullshit.
Says someone not realizing that this wasn't political to begin with, but extreme-right politicians thought it was highly necessary that it would...
One of the biggest issues other than the obvious sterilization, Anorgasmia, higher suicide rates, coversion therapy, shorter life spans, and exorbitant rates of cancer. Another big issue is consent. We see all these goverments saying their kids as young as 11 can consent a parent cant stop them, in fact kids can be taken away. But think about it, they are saying children can consent to this, what else will they be able to consent to? I truly believe MAPs would have become more prevalent and possibly accepted.
When it comes to the states it's quite obvious money was paramount and fake empathy. Vanderbilt even said this at one of their seminars and how much money would they would make, putting multimillion dollar price tags on people. Look at hormones and puberty blockers its already a billion dollar business. The medical profession is full of moeny grabbing zealots. Anoyher example of their poor practices are these GLP 1 medicines that they are giving out en masse, like ozempic, and Mournjaro and so on. The windfall for that medicinr will be horriifc.
Another fantastic video. Very interesting points of view. Love the Spiked channel. 😊
If only women’s voices and warnings were valued and respected…we told you so!
Let's be real. For every woman who spoke out against this, there were two loudly supporting this to virtue signal. Women let themselves down.
@@vanessac1721Yep, and more than 2, dozens. And this must be discussed.. Why?
@@vanessac1721 This is about euthanasia.
And can you believe it: In Germany our government just voted for self-Id. It's crazy and depressing.
"it's the comnon sense thing that's missing" as a 36 year old man I've been saying that for over 30 years.
Just because it’s banned doesn’t mean that there aren’t still doing it.
The Cult. But not the excellent 80's rock band cult. The bad kind of cult.
Didn't The Cult have a song called "She sells sanctuary" though?
@@marcwilliams9824 Love removal machine ... 🤔
What cult... If anything, Cass exposed herself for being a massive bigot and not knowing how to review proper research.
She seems to heavily hope that the general public is probably unaware that a massive amount of medical disciplines allow lacking a control group in their trials: simply for the fact that doctors (you know, actual experts, something Cass definitely isn't regarding transgender healthcare) actually realize that NOT treating someone by using a double-blind, randomised control group is ACTUALLY unethical.
Cass also showed that she seems to not care or understand what the Dutch Model (where she is now riling people up about for absolutely no good reason) really entails: some of her recommendations are LITERALLY what the Dutch model stands for...
It is insane how tonedeaf and stupid she is.
As for the "treat trans adults as children till their 26th year in life"-argument rings eerily identical to the abortion debate: "Women are such fragile emotional creatures that they can't make a life-altering decision when dealing with an unwanted pregnancy, so we need to protect them against themselves!" (in this debate, typically men making that decision)
Compare that to: "Transgender adults are so mentally unstable that they do not deserve bodily autonomy, so we need to protect them against themelves!" (In this discussion absolutely everyone but experts on transcare).
And with her stance on this, you know this was never about the concern for puberty blockers, nor was it about concern for children: It was about viciously hating transpeople and giving this hate an discrimination a scientific sounding basis.
A bit like how, in the abortion debate you will hear a lot: "This is a decision not made lightly, we need to not normalize getting abortions and have women be making this decision well-informed, based on the scientific basis that we currently have".
See how that rings eerily comparable to how trans adults are now approached? We continue to hear a rampant, toxic debate in which anyone but the experts voice their concerns about how this care is supposedly lacking any medical ethics and morals, "and doctors are practicing medical malpractice on such a grand scale it is insane we are letting this continue!"
Also: this supposed cult handles treatment of less than 100 children each year...LESS THEN 100!!
“Gender affirming care” and “gender critical” are two invented, disingenuous, misleading terms that should not have been pandered to by using them and thus legitimising them.
“Unproven butchery/quackery” and “fact based”
I am a happily married gay person with children. The LGB community worked long & hard for me to have the opportunity to celebrate and protect my family through marriage. Like many gay/lesbian people, I believe that my rights as a gay person are at risk precisely as a result of trans activism. If God forbid, the time comes when society reacts to trans activism by clumping us all together and taking away our rights as gay people - the blame will be 100% on the shoulders of trans activism. Of course, they'll blame the "right wing" but LGB people know better - trans activism is the biggest threat to gay rights.
How?
I saw ,briefly, potentially now suppressed article in america about the mayo clinics review of puberty blockers on testicular tissue. It found mild to severe testicular tissue atrophy.
I took a drug called Cyproterone Acetate, which is a testosterone suppressing drug that works by inhibiting the receptors for testosterone.
You know what that did? Cause my testicles to shrink to pre-puberty size. You know how that happened? Because when the receptors get inhibited from taking up unbound testosteron (so it becomes bound), eventually the body is going to respond and reduce production of testosteron, which happens in the testicles.
This causes the testicles to shrink.
So this supposedly suppressed article probably took a wrong approach without really understanding what puberty blockers do: Taking them makes signalling hormones that tell the thyroid and other organs to start producing hormones meant to start puberty, to not produce sex hormones and other hormones, and thus halting puberty.
Screening for the start of puberty looks like this: A child is seen regularly by an endocrinologist. The endocrinologist measures their body height, and checks the volume of their testicles with something called an orchidometer. This is a beaded necklace looking kind of thing that has beads corresponding with age and different levels of puberty (so called Tanner Stages).
There's also bloodwork done to check hormone levels, and in my case, because I wasn't growing well instead of this being done because I was trans and there were concerns my thyroid was breaking down these very same signalling hormones that GnRH-antagonists block (GnRH antagonists being the actual name of puberty blockers), X-rays of growing plates responding to growing hormones, with the ones in your wrist and ankle being the most important or easiest to picture here.
When puberty starts, the production of testosterone in the testicles is ramped up (I am not sure if they produce a tiny bit prior to puberty, or if the tiny amount prior to it is made solely by the adrenal glands) which causes the testicles to increase in volume.
Next to a growth spurt (a smallish but still visible one on my end) and bloodwork, this gives the doctor a good indication of puberty having started.
In boy-girl transchildren (I don't know the procedure for transboys obviously, for not having been born a girl) this is then the moment to start puberty suppression.
When started, this production of testosterone is ceased, causing a slight decrease of the testicular volume again...
In other words: this clinic thought to have found something that is actually quite normal, and with the risk of this being weaponized and explained wrong in the way you are doing now, was asked to refrain from publication.
Maybe there were also unethical research skills at play and they were afraid of receiving blowback from the scientific community for it, in much of the same way Lisa Littman did for her damaging "research" into "Rapid-Onset Gender Dysphoria".
They have and every one of them has been vilified.
"You can't use a hardware fix for a software problem."
I don't remember the name of the (regret filled) trans woman who said this but it stuck with me.
While we are talking about this we arent talking about the increase in child poverty.
This internship would be a dream. If only I lived in the uk. 😔
We have Michael Foucault to thank for the existence of the whole queer/trans ideology thing...
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The Taliban was literally first formed as an ad hoc vigilante group created to free a couple of girls who had been kidnapped into sexual slavery by an Afghani warlord. They freed the girls and hung the warlord from a tank turret. They gained prominence when locals began to request their assistance in freeing other girls and boys in similar circumstances. Im not surprised that rapist is afraid to be extradited back. Let the Taliban handle all our rapists.
Shouldn't there at least be a psychological assessment of people who present with gender dysphoria before any hormonal or surgical treatments are even discussed.
There's supposed to be. But when kids get online and are told tell your parents you're suicidal which they do along with the only UK child gender clinic captured by ideologists who were saying 'better a trans child than a dead one' it was a recipe for disaster, so many weren't getting the clinical treatment they should. Once, they would've been actively dissuaded which is why they only got around 50 a year 10 years ago mostly boys who would've been vigorously checked and likely sometimes refused. Today, at 4000 plus, 70% girls, most got what they demanded. Pro sexism in favour of girls is prevalent in this area for some reason.
Thanks, Tom - on top form.
Thanks for creating and posting this video. Although "Gender Affirming Care" has the ring of a well researched aspect of medical doctoral authority. It is not based on a body of medically based and critically reviewed scientific documentation, evidenced through peer reviewed literature and studies.
Imagine the scenario where emotions drive you to believe that you are something different from what you were assigned at birth. At present, science cannot conclusively determine whether this feeling stems from a disorder, a genuine genetic misalignment, or something else. Body dysmorphia and gender dysphoria are recognized disorders and, alongside other evidence, may suggest a broader identity disorder. Many people suffer from various behavioral and mental health issues, often with comorbidities-for instance, the poverty of speech that often accompanies schizophrenia.
The concept of transgender identity has been recognized within the realms of neuroanatomy and psychology, but its empirical definition remains under scrutiny. While gender dysphoria frequently coexists with mood disorders such as depression and OCD, it's challenging for science to clearly distinguish whether gender dysphoria is solely a part of transgender identity or if it is predominantly influenced by these mood disorders. This distinction is crucial, especially before starting gender transition therapies in children who may primarily suffer from a mood disorder rather than transgender identity.
Transgender identity hasn't been conclusively validated through biological or genetic markers yet, which means it is predominantly treated as a psychological condition. The scientific community continues to search for genetic or hormonal indicators that could empirically validate transgender identity beyond brain-related theories. However, it's important to note that certain aspects of brain science, including parts of neuroanatomy, have been criticized and even debunked, suggesting that reliance solely on this field is insufficient.
Given these complexities and the potential comorbidities like body dysmorphia and gender dysphoria, further rigorous study is essential. We must carefully consider how we approach the diagnosis and treatment of transgender individuals, particularly children. There may come a time when transgender identity is more clearly defined within the psychological domain, potentially as a distinct disorder alongside the dysphoria experienced by transgender individuals. Until then, it remains imperative to approach gender-affirming care with caution, ensuring it is genuinely beneficial and necessary for the individual.
Lock them up! Lock them up! Lock them up!
Yea? Why? You are also locking up doctors who help in cancer treatment, endometriosis, IVF...along with the same doctors helping children who experience precocious puberty...
And you wouldn't want to have people dying, have severe pain because of endometriosis, not have their IVF treatment be successful or have children aged 6 go through puberty right, a puberty that at that age will have ACTUAL SEVERELY DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS TO THEIR HEALTH!
But thanks for showing you don't understand anything about the subject at hand ;) .
The cass report is a dissapointment. Posie Parker is right about that. It uses all the wrong language and still means a man can weasle his way into your daughter's and wife's women only spaces.
Parker is an idiot at the best of times
This video is about euthanasia.
Something like a Cass Review would be impossible in the US where our healthcare system is based entirely on profit.
Every kid wants to be special somehow. You can't just declare yourself to be a prince or princess or super hero but you can declare yourself to be one of the alphabet people.
Bloody well said re Cass guys
Academia out of control is a potential disaster for society. They became self-entitled and lost all self-discipline.
Yes: common sense. It's what happens when you give someone an inch. Invariably they will take a mile. xx
How can you deny Will's bravery? You can see he's got balls 😂😂
If those managers aren't charged there is no justice. Many Western academics, University Administrators and Education Departments are at least morally culpable also.
so now will those who's lives have been ruined because they stood up for protecting kids get their lives back? can their careers be put at the level they would be at before they were canceled? No, their lives have been seriously hurt because they were right.
Whilst some are refusing to accept the facts even when put in front of them. That adult gender clinics were allowed to refuse to produce data is something the government could've sorted with a sweep of a pen yet didn't. If you're hiding, you've got something to hide. I even saw a comment yesterday where someone called the Cass review 'psudeo science' yet had nothing to back that, just didn't like it. It surprises me how many today decide facts don't matter across various areas.
The receipts have all been kept.
Thank the Lord for answering our prayers!
Amen!
"The Lord" could have just stopped it all before all this damage was done...
This will 100% be swept under the rug
Everyone is losing the point. Presenting as the opposite sex is completely fine. It’s the pronouns and denial of biological sex that’s the issue. Kids been to learn that stereotypes are just stereotypes. How are they going to learn that if we continue to tell girls they have to have long hair and wear dresses, and boys can’t ever be pretty and have to wear pants and boring shirts and act like they’re all rough and tumble as a default.
Kids can have long hair or short hair, wear dresses or pants. Nobody can go from one sex to the other. We are both one sex and die the same sex. As an adult who transitioned, it was really hard to realise that fact. It lead to my detransition, but others dig their heels in denial even further.
We all knew this was BS years ago but everyone to afraid to just say...NO. This is Nonsense.
The issue isn't about NHS face-saving, but the actual application on individuals. This would affect personal complaints and legalities.
So the report says what we all have been saying for years.
Not only have WPATH failed to provide evidence, they've also failed to attempt to follow up and record the effects of the Dutch protocol over any reasonable of time.
The adults need to guide the children and not allow the children to lead the adults. Otherwise in time the hapless children who have gone through irreversible procedures may regret it When they mature and realise they made a mistake they will blame the parents for allowing their folly. Parents are the ultimate gatekeeper for their child's welfare and so will be held accountable for any rash decisions made which may harm their children.
That's true but until recently and in the odd case it's still happening, authority figures thwarted parents. Such ideology starts in academia where teachers are trained and some pass that on through schools with the public service (so health systems) the other. They may not outright deny parents but have been getting around rules by claiming not to know limitations so went behind backs. At least school/medical guidelines have been tightened up. When fence sitters insert ambiguity into guidelines 'do gooders' take over and that happened across this entire area. Then for 30 years do gooders have claimed kids can't cope with no & many parents seem to have listened.
The original whistleblower, Susan Evans (she's actually a MH nurse) is married to Marcus Evans, the head honcho involved in the Tavistock/GIDs. They're both opposed to children being shoved onto a medical pathway. But I'm puzzled as to why Marcus continued working in that environment, in a powerful position, for over a decade knowing what was going on. What on earth did they discuss over their breakfast boiled eggs? Reminds me of Amelia Gentleman's award winning articles on Windrush. She's married to Lord Johnson. I bet their chats were interesting given how closely connected he was to government while that scandal was brewing. Do you journalists actually do any analysis and ask hard questions?
I'd be the best intern at making tea for Tom and the rest of you. And I can spell. Also, you wont need to worry about timekeeping as I'll be sleeping under the desk. If you dont mind I'll bring my own tea bags, as I'll only drink either Tetley or Tesco premium strong breakfast tea. If I see anything from Lipton's it goes in the bin.
If you're curious about where this all began, look up Dr. Magnus Hirschfeld.
Accept the life changes you chose and embrace the life you have. Don't expect others to embrace your choices. NUFF SAID!
It baffles me what they are talking about… it doesn't rebuttal any points they are raising… it basically says there is no evidence for or against it - there needs to be further research at that level. It's too vague for me.
That's what I have said from the start: No other patient group could have changed so dramatically in makeup and numbers without the medical professionals and politicians alike having shouted to high heavens about the anomaly. The trans ideologists have tried to say that the change depends on the availability of the treatment and the fact that it is as shameful and strange as it was. But in that case, huge numbers of adult women would have applied for "sex change" when it became more available and less stigmatising.
Have they?
I feel for the (mostly) men who from toddlerhood have experienced a wish to be female.
But it is also a question of numbers. It is far easier to make adjustments, no matter if you believe their affliction to be "real" or a mental disorder, to a handful of people who go through years of counselling before going through surgery and hormone treatment, than to believe that suddenly thousands of people are born in the wrong body (some of whom do not even want to change their bodies).
This is not the first mass psychosis.
Did no-one ever learn about the witch mania at school?
Or about any of the other manias that we as humans have seen through history?
Huge day!!! Time to spread the word and let us remember all the damage they have done and not repeat it again
Great work well done.😊
The problem is, but for this expectation of treatment, these children (like I did) would’ve gone through puberty and moved on with life. Puberty is the cure for gender dysphoria and 80%+ of children who are left alone will go down the normal path to adulthood.
No. You are quoting problematic Steensma research. Research that did actually look into this showed a 93 to 97,5% amount of children going through with treatment. Because, I don't know, maybe they are actually trans...
I went through boy puberty (I didn't know I was trans at that time, so it's slightly different) and it didn't cure me?
Back to you now for your expert opinion on something you obviously do not have the lived experience with ;) .
During puberty, I wanted to DIE. You have NO IDEA what hell puberty is when you're trans.
@@Dutch3DMasterBut did you still assumb that male puberty=masculine and having to be masculine or did you realise that they're just physical changes with no other inherent meaning? Someone who completed puberty is more likely to realize that it's just a body type. I wasn't actually "forced to be a women now" when I got my period. I'm still not someone that just smiles while taking pain all the time and I still have ZERO interest in childcare and giving birth and am open about that. Your body type doesn't force or change who you are. You don't lose your ability to be yourself by looking different. Your natural body type doesn't contradict your identity bacause it's not restricted to any set identity.
First year of university, the lecturer told us that you can't make an argument by just omitting the counterargument. Dismissing social contagion as a religious assertion or minimizing the harms of transition wouldn't be the way to make their argument. If you want a liberal immigration system, you aren't helping yourself if you make an argument on the idea of immigrants being pure as the driven snow. And it was a subject on film. If the level of argument at a mediocre university on film 101 is more serious than the discussion on lopping off body parts, then you have a problem.
Why are you policing what people do with their own bodies?
@@Gay_Detransitioner
I didn't make any assertion about what should or should not be allowed (at least not here). Effective argument means processing the counterarguments. If you want to argue for transitioning, a strong case means you handle complications such as medical complications, detransitioners, the ethics of youth transition etc. You'd typically make an argument by listing pros and cons and arguing that the pros outweigh the cons, or addressing the cons.
If you were arguing that war is sometimes necessary, you wouldn't argue that it's a great time and there won't be collateral damage. If you were arguing for it being legal to sell ice cream, you'd mention that sugar could be harmful. It doesn't weaken your argument. It strengthens it.
@@victorcates9330 People's opinions about pros or cons have nothing to do with what is right. I'm a detransitioner and I don't use my experience to try and take away other people's bodily autonomy.
@@Gay_Detransitioner I suspect pros and cons would factor into medical ethics. I'd assume that doctors enjoy some legal protections based on falling within parameters. If they agreed to operate to replace your heart with a mechanical heart you bought on craig's list, they might experience increased legal consequences - maybe jumping from losing their medical licenses to being on the hook for murder. That would be bodily autonomy losing out to pros, cons and social rules.
In terms of autonomy, I think there would be some people who are opposed to the trans thing who would be much more sympathetic to cross-dressing or adult transitions. If their objection is bathrooms, compelled pronouns, or disclosure when dating, the shape of their objection is where it requires something of them. Bodily autonomy as an argument probably doesn't support forcing other people to agree to your ideas. And a lot of people would draw a line over bodily autonomy when you had someone who was a cutter or someone who wanted a doctor to help them become disabled.
It's not something that I was prepared to write an essay about. I wouldn't have my thoughts perfectly ordered. But one of my issues is people who talk about care, but are perfectly happy with detransitioners being in an absolute hell (or downplay complications with 'successful' transition). If the doctors who handled Chloe Cole still took her calls or saw fixing her as best they could as a responsibility for having taken money, I'd be more sympathetic. Even the argument for heart surgery would be based on rates of failure, and what quality of life could actually be attained. If a doctor could improve your quality of life marginally by taking years off your life, it might - depending on specifics (ie a quantification of pros/cons) - be a social scandal.
I've seen it called "best practice medicine" in the US
"How can anyone be against best practice medicine"?
"Its called best practice medicine for a reason"
How to you convince someone when this might be their response?
I know its coming.
It's so double plus ungood