Lessons from Brexit A lecture by Anand Menon
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- čas přidán 3. 03. 2022
- What has Brexit taught us about membership of the EU? What have we learned about the UK as a country?
Anand Menon, Director of the thinktank 'UK in a Changing Europe' will give a lecture on what we - and particularly people in the UK - have learned from the experience of Brexit:
What it has taught us about membership of the EU;
What it has taught us about the UK constitution;
What we have learned about trade and economics;
How we have realised how divided we are;
What we have learned about the UK as a country.
Speaker(s):
Prof. Anand Menon (Director, UK in a Changing Europe)
28.50-29.37 in March 2015 then Taoiseach Enda Kenny gave a speech to the CBI in Belfast in which he stressed that the implications of a British exit from the EU for Northern Ireland should not be forgotten. He said it would be the most profound issue Northern Ireland could face in the coming years. A Unionist commentator speaking about this on the BBC said that this was "not an issue of interest in Britain and Northern Ireland in the way that it seems to be in the Republic, they are really really fascinated and scared by this to an extent that we are not at all."
@S B
"A Unionist commentator speaking about this on the BBC said that this was "not an issue of interest in Britain and Northern Ireland in the way that it seems to be in the Republic, they are really really fascinated and scared by this to an extent that we are not at all."?
Well either the Unionists have learnt to be "...really really fascinated and scared by this...", or there is no cure for stupid....
Art. 50: "It's ridiculous that the EU expect that can be done in 2 years."
1/ The EU offered many a times to extent the time needed. The UK said no.
2/ The UK couldn't be bothered to actual sit down and properly negotiate within their own party, let alone with the EU
Conclusion : the Brits didn't take it serious because they couldn't see what it actually meant and now blame the EU (like they blamed the EU for all and sundry while being part of it)
"By the start of 2020 we had 25,000 civil service members working on Brexit"
WTF ?! How do you mean by the start of 2020. The roll over date was January 31st 2020.
The UK had 4 years to prepare for it. The EU did prepare for it. The UK still is not up to speed to deal with import checks at customs, now 2 years later.
It's as if the UK didn't really take it serious.
No one has spelled out what Brexit means. Not even now, years later the Tories can't actual say what Brexit means, not with anything that makes sense.
No one knew about the issues with the devolved gov's. ?????
Just how stupid are your top civil service and your ministers?
It would be a hard sell to have a customs border between England and Scotland.
BUT he has no issues with something that amounts to a customs borders for Kent (Kent Access Permit). Hypocrite much?
Oh yeah, the UK can now repeal all those pesky constitutional laws and rights without any real parliamentary oversight and perhaps that's not going to bite the UK citizens in the arse.
29:00
Ceo's only figuring out years after the vote that they have EU supply chains. Those are the people that are paid the big bucks (and stock options and golden parachutes) and guess what... they are clueless about the business they are in charge of.
29:40
Finally him admitting that Brexit is truly screwing the UK for at least 10 to 15 years.
32:08
Yep, that's the amount of economic benefits. And this by conservatives that are not against Brexit.
49:09
"There need to be more reflections in the EU why and how Brexit happened"
sigh - face palm - sigh
Strange tho' that since the UK left... no one is mentioning anymore about leaving the EU.
No matter how jingoistic or racist they are... everyone that was cheering on Farange is now very quiet about it all.
Why should the EU reflect, it was the UK's choice, a choice for all the wrong reasons, building up because of decades of blaming the EU for the hard choices and taking credit for the easy ones.
55:01
He can't help himself, can he? He still seems to think that the UK and the EU are equal.
He can't get it into his mind that the UK doesn't have any power now that they are outside the EU. The EU isn't being difficult nor is it punishing the UK. The EU is just asking the UK to do the same as they ask of any other none EU member. The only choice that the UK will have is if they'll bend over as much as they did for the Australians or not, in which case the won't get a deal that is an improvement on the one that the Brexiteer celebrated and got Frost his knighthood.
"No one has spelled out what Brexit means"....sovereignty, independence from a corrupt, anti democratic, unaccountable, protectionist, Mafioso organisation run by a bunch of childish, vindictive, self serving, gravy train riding, free loading parasites.
This is hilarious - this guy clearly doesn't support Brexit and he's openly critical of the process and its outcomes. Yet you seem to be fingering him as a Brexiteer. You need to find another target for your rage lol
@@dynamo1796 Rather silly that you think that I have rage. Did I or didn't I time and again qoute him? Pointing out facts is raging?
Would you per chance be pro-Brexit yourself?
Do you think that someone saying stupid shite like ""There need to be more reflections in the EU why and how Brexit happened" is critical of Brexit? Or how about "'"It's ridiculous that the EU expect that can be done in 2 years."
Those sound to me the talking points from a Brexit apologist who, as per usual, puts blame on EU for the moronic things done by the UK.
He tries to come across as being neither for nor against but the undertone in his statements time and time again is blaming the EU because god forbid that the UK would be told that they really shot themselves in both feet.
I agree that UK governments always blamed the EU for their mistakes and it muddled and weakened our democracy even further after we had given power to Brussels. It is a key reason why I voted Leave. No more excuses now. We must stand on our own feet and our democracy is the best thing we have.
By the way the UK was not fully sovereign to negotiate with the EU before. Now it is. The vested interests still hate Brexit though and want Boris gone to try and minimise change. Eire ought to leave the EU and then do a trade deal with the UK. Problems sorted. Only people blinded by EU propaganda think this is silly.
2 simple rules for life;
No.1- Never trust a tory
No.2- Never forget rule number 1
Another rulle. The Labour party hasn't been and can't be a competent opposition or government. In fact, they are mostly unelectable and therefore largely useless in any real sense.
@@dynamo1796 when you can spell 'rule,'
Agree with @Andrew MacCallum, Labour have and always will be the lesser of two evils! What we need is a third electable party, one that speaks for all leftys!
Practically nobody argued the possibility that a Remain outcome would likely have strengthened practically all aspects of UK membership, and would have had a massive positive effect on the UK economy - partly due to regained trust in the UK (something that "euroscepticism" had been undermining for decades).
Thus the "actual" losses caused by Brexit must be far greater than can be calculated or anticipated!
Thank you for making Anand's lecture available here 👍
No, this is not an example of the Condorcet paradox. In this paradox, the preferences for the three or more candidates are clearly known, and one candidate is chosen, even though the selected candidate is not the preferred one. In Brexit, the list of candidates was not known at the time that the negotiations with the EU started, and the list of candidates is still incomplete and poorly known now that the UK is completely out of the EU. Nobody, not even the negotiators themselves, can give an explanation, even now, of what a Norwegian-style or a Canadian-style Brexit might be. No voting for or against a Swiss-style Brexit was even suggested. The one paradox that happened here is that a country decided to punish itself with the removal of the best privileges that a country can have, in exchange for nothing.
If you want to make reference to something with a fancy name, what Frost did is closer to the Kobayashi Maru test from Star Trek. The apprentices for captain are placed in an impossible situation, where everybody dies. The two differences are that everything is a simulation and that the apprentices are actually competent, capable leaders.
Think he was referring to May's series of "meaningful votes". There was clearly a preferred (or least hated) option out of the ones voted on, but none of them had an overall majority.
I am baffled by the assertion that levelling up is anything other than a patent medicine barrow holler. The impoverished regions were promised that the Brexit tories would replace lost eu funds. They have done nothing like that. Most, if not all of the red wall, and other disadvantaged regions, will be significantly less affluent. The Brexit tories are taking other one hand whilst taking with the other.
Anybody who believed a word of "levelling up" is a moron. Levelling up is the opposite of _laissez faire,_ that's to say the free market. Clearly there's no way the Toerags would sacrifice the latter.
Any EU funds were UK rebates and now we are out instead of lobbying an MEP who no one has heard of we can put pressure on our MP's and vote them out if necessary.
1:09:30 - I disagree with Anand that the current intake of migrants is "well educated", on the whole. I also disagree with his view that they are not coming to wealthy areas. In London, for example, the poorest and richest areas are "cheek by jowl. Also, at least in London, practically every delivery driver, on bikes, scooters, motorbikes, cars and Van's, is from the new migrant intake- as well as whole gangs of workers in low paid retail jobs. There are also, unlike with the former European migrants, clearly whole families arriving, with infants, children, elderly and disabled members.
Evidently, as with missing UK import and export controls, there is also no effective statistical counting going on at least since Brexit.
Your tiny part of London is not the whole country.
@@himoffthequakeroatbox4320 Where is "your tiny part of the world then"? Can you travel across a region with 10 million people on a day trip on your bike? I can!
regarding the reasons that have led to the UK leaving the EU (at around 49:30): there is certainly an element around the EU not having sufficiently explained to the people the EU project (this is true not only ion the UK), but specifically relevant for the UK case is that UK politicians over decades have blamed the EU for everything. So it is clearly not monocausal, but suspect that the overwhelming main reason is that the people who voted for Brexit believed the populist lies of the Brexiteers and ironically those are the ones who will suffer the most.
its okay, its dont hit the wrong people!
0:35 - surely Erik Jones is being sarcastic about Britain becoming a "free country, able to take control . . ."
Forgetting about Northern Ireland situation as regards brexit is like organising a divorce and forgetting about the kids. Madness.
Eric Johnson's introduction instantly reveals that most of this is rhetoric rather than analysis. The UK is no longer part of Europe politically and therefore to suggest it has any sway other than what it can effect from it's marginalised economy is pie in the sky. The reality is that the EU is now the dominant force. Statistics point towards a UK that suffers not only 'stagflation' but also high taxes and an inability to continue low interest rates. The few paltry options for alleviating some of the overwhelmingly negative effects of Brexit are all someway off. Unless those who lead us here can find another free market of equivalent size as geographically close (clue: there isn't one) then no amount of analysis is going to insulate the UK from it's fate.
Right. You simply cannot move a country from one part of the world to another! 8.000 miles are 8.000 miles are 8.000 miles!
This business about traditional values is interesting. Shortly after the win Cummings gave a talk about it. He pointed out that most people had conservative values - they want to hit kids and beat up gays, stone adulterers etc. - but left leaning economics - managed economies, welfare state, the sacred NHS. What I found most enlightening about that was you got no sense that he shared that world view. For him it was simply instrumental. He, and the people around him thought they could utilise the NHS, levelling up, all of those things, to gain, and then maintain power. And so it has transpired.
It’s not unique. Trump did the same. You hear similar arguments about values from putin, orban etc….
Main character syndrome.
"Most people had conservative values - they want to hit kids and beat up gays, stone adulterers etc."
I see myself pretty much as a conservative or simply on the right wing. I've never wanted to hit children and never did, i've never wanted to beat up gays and never did (i still do not understand them or like the few i had contacts with), i've never wanted to stone adulterers and never did.
Perhaps i'm just a very different sort of conservative. For me, your description is more for something like a football Hooligan. I hope, your list was just some sort of bad joke....
One big problem of the UK is that they have missed the real discussion about Conservatism that happened after WW II in EUrope. There isn't even an understanding of the differences between value based Conservatism and structural Conservatism, which determined part of the political debate in EUrope.
@@uweinhamburg genuinely intrigued to discover what you would prefer to do with gays, having taken the time and much effort to established you don’t want to beat them up. Hugely relieved.
Conservative values are really Arcadian. They are largely constructed around the idea that life was once better and that society has fallen to corruption. Hitting children, as an example, was outlawed within my lifetime in this country, and that was controversial. Physical disciplining of children as a necessary societal pillar would certainly be a conservative value you wouldn’t have to dig too far to excavate.
Obviously the logical extreme of conservatism is that life was at its best when god’s law was obeyed. There may be some mediation for many before that extreme is reached. It sounds as if you fall into that category. However, the retributive stoning of adulterers is a genuine conservative shibboleth held by some conservatives and even practiced in some conservative societies.
But my point wasn’t to parse the particularities of cultural conservatism, but rather to highlight the cynicism of people like Cummings. I also believe that of many in the current uk government.
If you are going to argue against non existing stereotypes, no wonder most don't vote the way you want them to.
Nowhere near 5% of UK (and most of those non white) want to "beat up gays".
Rattle through a bunch of questionable die hard left wing ideology. Now we have more crime, grooming children and righteous speaking points to safe the planet while the elitist continue their carbon dispensing lifestyles.
Brilliant 👏
Boris Johnson is not in for anyone else but himself
As far as the referendum goes, I believe there was no way Brexit wasn't going to happen. Can you imagine the results coming through and they just say,.oh ok and forget it after throwing so much at it.
Values divide: most socially conservative more than 8 times more likely to have voted leave than most socially liberal.
Reese Mogg stated clearly before the referendum that it would take at least 50 years before we saw any benefit. With respect, get your facts right. Yet people still voted for it!
I believe Mogg made that comment a few weeks ago. Not in 2016
@@irwinsaltzman979 no he may have made it again recently but he stated it years ago, I've been carrying the weight of it with the whole shite affair so don't claim I'm wrong
Mr. Brailey, was Moggs against Brexit in 2016? He surely is for it now.
@@irwinsaltzman979 of course he's for it, his dad wrote the book on it 30-40 years ago, titled 'Blood on the Streets'. It's the disaster capitalist manifesto. The fact he stated it would take 50 yuurs before we see the benefits and people still voted for it is the real problem. Beaten dogs obeying their insolent wealthy masters
Mr. Brailey, it is difficult to understand why a person would want to overhaul a system in which it takes 30-50 years to see the benefits and I can see why you would feel frustrated that so many voted for it. Maybe , and I am guessing, a number of people in the UK would lower their wealth, education and health standards to have full ‘ control/sovereignty. ‘
Article 50 never was designed to create a simple way out for those who want it. It was designed to keep those who are leaving from taking too much with them. It does not say "if you are leaving, take your time and gather everything you want in boxes, and we will ship it for you", it says "we will make sure you cannot coordinate your way out with some of the members, you will only have the time to clean your own mess before leaving". If you like, Article 50 is where they tell you "on your way out, you will be frisked; don't try to keep the silverware".
We got out though, didn't we.
Article 50 or leaving the EU would have worked for any other EU country as easy and quick and close or far aligned as they would have wanted it to be. The UK was and is the only country amongst the EU memberstates that has "unsolved" border issues with another (now to UK 3rd-) country. Borders that were of no issue (maybe forgotten how crappy they are really) while being a full EUmemberstate.
UK never was able to leave the SingleMarket or Customs Union as well easily w/o having to aling the whole of UK with EU SM/CU or having to "give up one or more regions" that had to stay aligned with EU SM/CU because of the unsolved borders of NI but also of Gibraltar, foreign territories with delicate border situations to the neighbouring (original "land owning") countries. Johnson gave up NI in full and Gib in parts.
Article 50 was written by a British constitutional lawyer and he certainly did not think UK would be the one leaving and causing problems to NI.
@@mcenglishbros.drivewaytarm8367 only in bits
@@brigold3352
The mighty United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, out of the European Union, reclaiming all exclusive and immutable legislative and judicial powers and billions a year from your Masters in Brussels.
If you are smart, you will wake up to the fact that that the purpose of the European Union is nothing other than to hand a single set of puppet strings to hostile global interests to control multiple governments are once, but if you are not smart these people will treat on your face all your life.
I can only show you the door, it is up to you to walk through it.
@@brigold3352 What do you consider that Article 50 working means? Because Article 50 worked in the sense that the UK was able to leave, did not take other members with it, had to leave without previous negotiations that would permit the UK to have the privileges of membership without being a member, and left leaving very little disruption to the EU.
But if you think that Article 50 was meant to give any benefit to the leaving country, then Article 50 did not work. The UK left without a single thing and had to enter the Northern Irish Protocol, which benefits Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland in lots of ways and the rest of the UK in none. Article 50 served perfectly for the end goal of a united Ireland within the EU, and worked horribly if the end goal was to keep the UK united. If any other country decides to leave the EU Article 50 will work perfectly again, the country will leave with no good trade agreements with anyone and with no commercial benefits, and the EU will stay pretty much unharmed.
Can you provide some comparison between the Teresa May deal and the Boris deal from the perspective of this being revised by a new UK government (Lib Dém and Labour) and if the Conservative party will fonrally split before the next election. Can you see a situation where the current protocol will be enforced in NI against Westminsters objections by non UK, EU forces.
According to the ONS UK Trade Bulletin 2022 UK exports to the EU are the highest since records began. You're welcome.
Not true, they are the highest in monetary value because of inflation, adjusted for inflation they are the highest since Dec 2020
Mrs Brown's boys is set in Dublin not Liverpool...
Don't remind me. I'm from Dublin and find it totally cringe worthy 😬.
Thank you some one said it.
Bogtrotter comedy has gone way downhill since Father Ted.
And the cast are paid in Quatar.
But I understood there were no EU laws as such, just EU Directives that each country had to encompass into its own national laws - and the UK had been one of the most efficient in accomplishing this.
Another British tabloid myth swallowed by willing Brexiteers.
Well, ' the UK had been one of the most efficient in accomplishing this' especially after Brexit when the UK turned over 1.000 EU directives were turned into UK law withing hours - you know all the stuff Mr. Rees-Mogg wants to get rid off now 😉🤣🤣
lessons learned...
dont let UK citizens vote on important things!
UK has not only the Queen and the Prime Minister but also the Director in a Changing Europe :)
Yh he denies it on Twitter and is honest about the economic impact but I believe he voted leave in 2016. I think he honestly thought it would wake Westminster up to what is going on with the north. Levelling up is never going to happen. Shame that.
@@ffi1001 he speaks like he voted remain and wants to look unbiased in front of the leavers, but whatever he voted his analyses seem honest
Lesson from Brexit.Dont make national policy that is motivated by racism and nostalgia and turn your country into a shambles.
Brexit is a process, not an event. There are so many eu laws and regulations to overcome. It was ingrained into every aspect of daily life.
I have never met anyone who regrets voting leave. The people in this video are in a bubble, all like minded.
I am very pleased we are now the only genuine fully democratic sovereign country in the whole of Western Europe. Even Norway and Switzerland are eu rule takers.
From the covid vaccination programme, to AUKUS, to free trade deals / pacific trade group, to our response to the Russian threat to invade Ukraine. The UK forced the eu by example to support Ukraine. Germany would not even let uk military aid fly over its airspace it was that bad.
The UK is democratic? O dear, it seems you should have another look at it.
Suella Braverman is the strongest Brexit candidate in the leadership race. Her speech at Bruges Group makes it very clear where she stands and has done for years
Suella Braverman will make preti Patel look like Mary Poppins
Agree that Brexit will remain a topic for the years to come, but I think it is a mistake to reduce it to a purely economic issue in the future. The impact is much wider than that.
Well that was a year ago. Now we’re the fastest growing economy in the G7 and speeding away from France
Brexit is an interesting meme for me and Anand Menon is a good lecturer, but 1.25 hours is just too much, especially when many elements of the lecture are well known for anybody interested in the subject.
Make it shorter, just an excerpt of the really new elements!
The Brexit reality is that NI is already lost to the UK; the UK just doesn't realize it yet.
People often talk about Northern Ireland and Scotland leaving the Union, but I wonder if this whole Brexit thing was not in large part the English showing their desire for independence. Does the Union benefit the English?
Oh it benefits us greatly...it's just that the benefits aren't financial...it's a financial liability, in fact.
@@mcenglishbros.drivewaytarm8367 It used to benefit the UK for example North Sea Oil was of great benefit to the whole of the UK in the same way that London is of benefit to the whole of the UK now. Welsh Coal drove the UK's independence on fuel as another example until the late 70s
@@davidwilliams3397 That doesn’t change the fact that Scotland is a net beneficiary of the UK exchequer.
Article 50 is the EU’s own process of leaving. We had to adhere to it. It is eu law.
Despite these people in the video and other high profile remain elite constantly pushing the argument that Brexit has failed no one else is listening. It is working, we are changing and improving. The NHS already gets more than the figure on the bus, google NHS annual budgets and work out the weekly figure.
And pigs have learned to fly....whom are you kidding?
It's difficult to square conservative values with voting for Boris Johnson, and what's more significant, continuing to back him.
Maybe there's some other factor that makes watching Mrs Brown's Boys with voting leave... we all know what's going on here, just saying.
The Irish guy failing to recognise that Ireland has been and is paid Hundreds of Billions of Euros to be in the EU.. every year! They've set themselves up as a tax haven for huge US companies wanting to be in the EU.... of course Irish ministers would think it was the best thing for 1000 years. Ask them to start paying hundreds of Billions a year instead then ask the question again after a few decades. You saw how poor England is outside of Greater London, the wealth divide is huge. In a large part people wanted the EU money to be spent at home and in general who likes more layers of politicians, the growth and increasing political power of the EU is only going in 1 direction? I voted remain but I understand this. Furthermore in the run up to the referendum Cameron made a big fuss about going to the EU to get a new deal and concessions but failed, Merkle said Nein ! So the media went to town about how we can't make our own laws or make our own decisions and the Franco-Germanic world dictates what we can do. This was also around the same time that the EU was telling us we had to pay an extra £XX billion into the pot because the UK economy had performed well. When you're paying for the meal as opposed to getting a free one you tend to get more fussy about what the food is like and how the service is!
We're are a net contributor since 2013 but you are correct. We were helped massively by the EU after independence considering we were a dirt road hellhole with very little infrastructure who previously considered themselves to be doing well if they weren't in the middle of another famine. Surprisingly we haven't had those concerns since leaving the UK and joining the EU but maybe it was just a coincidence. Either way we're very aware of how much help the EU is to poorer countries and how we know when they talk about leveling up they aren't just giving a bit of lip service to the plebs so they'll keep quiet around election times.
the Irish guy knows that if you want to go to a good reataurant and enjoy a good meal and have access to all the best services and desserts, you have to pay for those meals, and guess what it is worth paying for a little better meal in the long run.
Absolutely superb analysis. Very fair. I like the way he politely slaps down the Italian fool on immigration.
Hilarious racism
Smart move by big business. Just refer to anyone who objects to neoliberalism as a Racist.
As the song lyrics go "Hotel California, you can check out at any time.......,but you can never leave"
Not unless you relocate GB to the Indo Pacific.
@@casteretpollux Like a jilted woman (or man), the EU will either never let go, or forgive, or get on with its own life, or be nasty in a passive way when they can.
@@palemale2501 You don't get it, do you? The EU is mainly glad to see the back of the U.K. out of the EU. The U.K. is a mixed bag of mainly decent people with really terrible, corrupt, governments.
The U.K. is now gaving to be a wound up war bunny, trouble maker for the US.
The Johnson plan is to take over the world again, by a series of shady deals and messy wars, with a sub and 2 aircraft carriers and a scattering of rocks in far flung oceans.
Nobody has costed this plan, but I can tell you its a recipe for bankruptcy.
Seriously Johnson and Co - and Starmer and Sue Gray - need to go.
@@palemale2501 still this evil EU ?
🙄
@@Danserien Not quite evil, but a little naughty.
UK should have stayed in the single market even if they left.
Don't be confused by the US accent for the introduction, remember that this is an EU Institution (Robert Schuman is one of the Founding Deities of the EU)so they are NOT going to invite anybody who could possibly defend Brexit or criticise the EU.
Also - to discuss anything in the context of Covid (which has cost the UK as much as fighting WWII) and now Russia's attack on the Ukraine with the economic side-effects is meaningless. A further point is that the UK was hobbled by Parliamentary obstruction of Brexit process - eventually overcome when the disastrous Remainer Prime Minister May who had sold the UK down the river was ousted and Johnson got his huge majority. Even then, the damage done by May was not fully recoverable..
A healthy sign that nobody is interested in the subject, which has now merely passed into history as an event that occurred.
.."they are NOT going to invite anybody who could possibly defend Brexit or criticise the EU." Perhaps they looked but couldn't find anyone?
Well said.
Why is it meaningless, Einstein?
it is hard to understand how someone who seems to have some intelligence can make a statement like you have, May was the prime minister that was part of the democratic process in UK, so there is no point in blaming the EU for the UK parliamentary process. Boris Johnson told lies from day one and still is telling lies, and has been proven to not having a clue what he is doing, he has caused more harm to the UK than can ever be quantified, but brexiteers are unwilling to accept that the current situation is not good and that it is down to the simple fact, that the UK was a huge member of the EU, they had Veto rights in Europe, they were responsible for most of the legislation in the EU, they wanted most of the legislation formed in Europe, but they wanted to blame someone else for all of their own shortcomings, and it was easier to blame Europe. actually it is getting more than boring having to listen to brexiteers blame everyone else again as to why Brexit isn't working they way they said it would. leaving a club where you have access to the biggest trading bloc in the world, and saying we are going on our own, and then saying oooooh it is the fault of the biggest trading bloc for not playing by our rules. it all sounds so familiar.
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Lessons, Don't listen to Liar's, Re-Join The EU Now.
It's going to take 20, 30 years to benefit from brexit. Didn't see that slogan on the side of a brexit bus.
Excuse my ignorance, I would like to know why they did not allow expatriates to vote in the referedum if they are British citizens
@Simon John thanks
Brexit...ask a silly question, get loads of silly answers...
The EU didn’t do things for you - You were part of it and in that way you were one of the big players when it came to decisions.
Anand. You are so wrong and feel that you are part of the ‘it’s complex machine’ if you distil the actual deliverables and decisions made from the Theatrics and drama then it is an incredibly simple process. It takes 25,000 civil servants to change a lightbulb in this country let alone do Brexit. You know this right? So you are also adding to the drama I’m afraid
"No one has gone back and revisited their projections"
Indeed.
But thats not a plus. Not proof they were right.
Given they've been very wrong so far (unless I slept through the 2017 recession and 500k job losses within 2 years of a vote). Maybe revisiting and both updating with more actual data but also adding some sort of behavioral economic impacts (I.e. why we have lost 8k city jobs not 82k just from clearing) would be the correct control cycle?
What I've learned about BREXIT is that there are so many gullible mugs in the UK.
Brexiteers talk to Brexiteers ! No interest in your long talking bla bla! For regular poeple they have now to deal with all rights losses Brexit as put in place !
This so-called professor fails to mention how France and Germany 'sold £230million of military hardware including bombs, missiles and guns to Moscow' - likely used in Russia's invasion of Ukraine - despite EU-wide arms embargo in wake of 2014 annexation of Crimea.
The EU banned 'the direct or indirect sale, supply, transfer or export of arms' Countries used a technicality that permitted contracts signed before 2014, France was responsible for making €152 million as part of 76 export licences.
And your credentials are what, exactly?
The UK has never sold weapons to unscrupulous countries have they not? 😉
@@seankavanagh7625 Who's talking about the UK,.... I don't know, you had better ask them.
Russia was also among the beneficiaries of UK arms sales - in the last decade, it received £44m of UK arms including ammunition, sniper rifle components and gun silencers, analysis shows. Moscow last week claimed it had chased a British destroyer out of Crimean waters with warning shots and bombs.
Between 2011-2020, the UK licensed £16.8bn of arms to countries criticised by Freedom House, a US government-funded human rights group.
Of the 53 countries castigated for a poor record on political and human rights on the group’s list, the UK sold arms and military equipment to 39.
Noteworthy recipients include Libya, which received £9.3m of assault rifles, military vehicle components and ammunition. Last week it was the focus of international peace talks to stabilise a country where armed groups and foreign powers compete for influence.
Further analysis by the London-based Campaign Against Arms Trade (CAAT) found that £11.8bn of arms had been authorised by the UK government during the same period to the Foreign Office’s own list of “human rights priority countries”. Two-thirds of the countries - 21 out of 30 - on the UK government list of repressive regimes had received UK military equip
A real benefit to Europe from Brexit is that the English now need passports to come here and we see many fewer of them here, whinging about everything, as usual. Substantial stocks of cod and haddock have left warming UK waters for the colder waters off northern Norway and English fishermen can’t follow them.
@Simon John You needed a passport to get out of the UK but enjoyed freedom of movement once you were out. You could stay as long as you liked in any EU country ~ working, studying and living. The older generation of English bigots who voted for brexit are going to have some difficulty explaining to younger generations why they deprived them of that right.
@Simon John your ignorance is as deep as your bigotry and neither of them does you any credit.
@Simon John interesting that you make a feeble attempt to defend your ignorance but none whatever to defend your bigotry. How convenient to draw a line under King Cnut and claim you “haven’t been defeated on home soil in 1000 years”. You conveniently forget having been ruled by a highly dysfunctional German family for the entirety of living memory. The UK has never had an ancient law against treason. The Treason Act 1351 applied only to England. The UK is a treatified union of kingdoms, more hostile to each other than any of the Nordic countries. My family has never imagined the EU to be solely about trade, although it’s incredibly useful for that. Unlike the English, our citizens aren’t adequately ignorant to sign up for something we clearly don’t understand. Also unlike the English, our government don’t tell us barefaced lies to suit their own purposes.
@Simon John it’s always amusing watching the deeply ignorant with clearly not a day of formal legal training to their name, demonstrate their complete legal ignorance. The entire line of Saxe Coburg Gothas who sat on your throne, ruled the UK. Both Betty and the silly old fool who currently sits on your throne are as German as white sausage.
The UK was part of what you refer to as the “EU project” for some 50 years. Explain that using your supposed “logic”.
@Simon John it’s no surprise that such a backwards, dysfunctional country as the UK should retain capital punishment until long after all civilised countries had abolished it. Your ignorant rankings are entirely tedious so I shall leave you to bore others. I shall join my family for dinner and enjoy much more stimulating discussion with our 9 year old daughters.
This man is a traitor to his adoptive country. Always trying to do down England.
The only lesson from Brexshit is that we were stupid to leave
If only everyone was as clever as you, they'd have voted the right way.