Saint-14 is a CUTIE PATOOTIE | Season of Dawn Reaction
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- čas přidán 4. 09. 2024
- I will not apologize for my terrible Saint-14 accent. I can't believe Destiny introduced a character as lovable as Cayde to fill the void.
Welcome to my Destiny 2 reaction series! Today we're reacting to Shadowkeep: Season of Dawn and WHY IS OSIRIS THREATENING MY BOY RASPUTIN? I mean I understand Rasputin hasn't always been a well behaved little supercomputer, but I thought Warmind established he's on our side! :(
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one thing ill always love is that the 'perfect paradox' shotgun is it's name , we get the weapon from saints body and then give it to him prior to his original death hence it's existence being a paradox
I love shit like this when it comes to time travel
@@terabellumbit then, us giving saint the shotgun and showing him the city therefore gives Saint the will to fight on, allowing the city to be built and allowing us to go back, meaning two of the city's greatest heroes are paradoxical themselves we are also the perfect paradox
Someone else mentioned that Osiris and Saint are romantic partners, but something I like to point out in Season of the Dawn that few seem to catch is just how much their relationship and Saint meant to Osiris. He mentioned briefly around 13:00 that some of his Echoes went crazy while desperately looking for Saint, but that’s an understatement. One of his Echoes stayed around for several years, looking for Saint, and refused to take orders from Osiris. Eventually the grief of being unable to find Saint drove it to take it’s own life. The sad part is that Osiris and his Echoes are one in the same, and their feelings reflect his own. Osiris was willing to break time just to get Saint back, and he didn’t care how he did it he just knew he would regret it forever if he didn’t.
The conversation with shaxx was an exotic quest for devil's ruin. The part with OUR grave was the end of a long, massive community puzzle that rewarded Bastion, the first ever fusion rifle in the kinetic slot. At the end of the season, we helped Saint to build a new Lighthouse on Mercury, which is now the destination for Flawless rewards for the revamped Trials of Osiris - hosted by Saint.
One of my favourite pieces of information about saint is the purple ribbons on his armour. Every time he helped someone, they would give him a purple ribbon. He kept every single one. His armour is covered in ribbons and so is his ship.
It started when he saved a child from the fallen. She took the ribbon from her hair and wrapped it around saint's gauntlet.
"Has anyone ever helped you?”
He nodded. “Yes. Oh, yes.”
“Who? The Speaker?”
He thinks for a moment before replying. “No. A Guardian, like me. Saved me from the Fallen when I was young, when I had lost everyone I was meant to protect. That Guardian is why humanity must go to the Traveler.”
Jasleen furrowed her brow. “What do you mean?”
“That Guardian’s Ghost and Light showed me a vision of humanity’s potential. The land beneath the Traveler becomes a place of safety. I-”
The foraging party returned with rabbits. They would eat well tonight.
As her mother and father moved to help prepare their dinner, Jasleen undid the bow in her hair and motioned the Guardian to come closer. She wrapped it around the Titan’s gauntlet. “I think that’s going to take a long time,” she said.
“Maybe.” He stared down at his arm. “On that day, I will bring this with me.”
“What’s your name?” she asked.
“Saint,” he said.
“I’ll remember it.”
"The Saint" Cutscene in Splicer (a bit over a year later on the timeline) is gonna go hard with this context, I'll tell ya
Also, you can find Lunas grave near the portal to the black garden
And keywords that will only make sense later: Savathuns Song
I can’t wait for the Splicer reaction
23:00 "I'm on the moon, it's made of cheese"
Wow, what a silly song! surely there are no hidden meanings or nefarious undertones...
Yeah.. 👀
23:00 Shaxx's song. Remember the notes. Lets just say its foreshadowing for the keen-eared.
It is in fact true! The fallen were the travelers chosen before the traveler left them and found us. They followed the traveler across the stars, for so long that most living Fallen never even knew their homeworld or what their past was like with the traveler.
The Corridors of Time are a physical representation of time. The Infinite Forest was an en masse simulation that had the potential to be made reality if given enough Paracausality. Hope that clears some stuff up.
OHH! I don't think I actually understood that about the infinite forest, thanks!
You wouldn't happen to have a simple explanation for how the Black Garden compares, would you?
I understand it as basically a pocket of time isolated from the main timeline, but that's probably wrong, haha.
@@terabellum I honestly think Byf could explain it better than I ever could, from the lore we have. Definitely worth looking into his vids
@@terabellum You're basically correct about the Black Garden. Its maintained by the Vex for a specific (spoilery) purpose. There's definitely more about it, but you'd have to read the lore books or watch a video about them to fully understand it.
So how the timeline change actually works is that:
1. Originally Saint died like a few years before our resurrection chasing the future that was us, so he could return the Perfect Paradox to us; in so doing, he follows the trail of Osiris who was exiled, which led him to the Infinite Forest; Saint then gets trapped in an endless cycle of fighting to the point where the only solution for the Vex was to use all their simulation resources on a single Vex mind that could redirect Saint's light (they can't simulate or create light themselves, but they could make a vessel for it); he dies, but the Vex enshrine him out of respect; Osiris and the guardian find out about it years later and in so doing are able to create the Perfect Paradox from the prophecy data to forge the weapon in Curse of Osiris (it was essentially a teaser/hint to let us know we had to meet him somehow in the future to give it to him in the past)
2. Go forward two years; Osiris builds the Sundial in order to see if he could manipulate time like the Vex in order to bring back Saint; he successfully shatters time by branching it off the focal point the Sundial makes; we go back in time to give Saint the Perfect Paradox which means we will have the data in the future to craft it in Curse of Osiris; we find the moment where Saint was going to be killed and stop it. This point alone should have broken the timeline because Saint would have been alive prior to our resurrection, HOWEVER, because the Infinite Forest is a quantum super computer simulation engine, everything outside the simulation works in real time while everything else inside the simulation could happen...well, infinitely. So what ends up happening is, the guardian and Osiris ONLY open the Infinite Forest pathway for him once he would inevitably be in the current moment of time, thereby avoiding his presence being in the real world that might alter the events of our current story. Essentially, Saint could not leave the Infinite Forest until all the events that are relevant to us transpired without him so the events outside align how they did originally.
So, some lore context, in a way, yes we changed Saint's fate, but it was also supposed to happen.
The lore around the "Perfect Paradox" weapon did imply that WE gave it to him, despite him having died before we were resurrected. But we got the weapon from Saint's grave, inside the Infinite Forest.
However, why then is Saint's body presented the way it was, back in Curse of Osiris, as if there was a funeral for him? Osiris didn't do it.
The clues hint at the Vex themselves being the ones who show his body respect. But why?
Context from lore imply the Vex knew that Saint's fate would be changed, because they already saw it.
The Vex always indicated respect to things they can't comprehend (like back in a post-Taken King mission on Venus, where they opened the door to the Vault of Glass for us without shooting us, so we could kill the invading Taken inside.)
As for the source behind their confusion around Saint's changed fate:
In the lore, it's explained that Osiris actually used an Ahamkara bone to craft that Sundial.
So he may have accidentally wished for Saint's return, & the fulfillment of that wish wormed it's way into the fabric of the Infinite Forest.
I also believe, all this was only possible because Saint died inside the Infinite Forest. If he died somewhere else, outside of any Vex structures, there probably would've been more severe consequences to timeline shenanigans.
Woo one of my fav seasons, also had one of the craziest community puzzles
Also, keep in mind that song Shaxx sang. Very important lore-wise :)
@@trevorgoretski AINT NO WAY LOL
Absolutely lol, just keep the tune of it in mind, trust@@terabellum
@@terabellumThe lyrics to the song doesn't really matter. It's the actual music that's important. Once heard, it cannot be unheard.
Saint is the coolest, he's basically The Doom Slayer of the Destiny universe.
This is the season that got me actually committed to Destiny. Spending on average 16 hours a day for almost a week working on that community puzzle… nothing compares. Most people won’t say it was the best season, but it’s still my favourite.
I am a little rusty on this, but IIRC, the saint of out timeline DID die, and the one we have now is one from a different timeline. What we used to travel through timelines was with osiris' time-dial, a separate machine from the infinite forest, though i dont remember if it is located in the infinite forest or just on mercury.
Oohh, okay, so our Saint-14 IS technically still dead then and we just plucked a fresh one from the timeline eh?
I’m pretty sure we actually traveled to the point of saints death in our timeline stopping his death there. Because he remembers us and basically prophesied our existence in the past along with other characters talking about us before our existence like shaxx here
No spoilers but, just remember the song that Shaxx sang :)
I don’t have much to say about the season itself, other than that it’s really good.
I will, however, comment on the House of Rain. Though extinct in modern Destiny, the House is known to have created prophecies. The most interesting one follows:
"Before him, foes will flee or fall. But he will heal the houses, make them whole.
"The Great Machine [the Traveler] will marvel, moved by might, and come to crown him Kell of Kells.
"What Whirlwind whisked away will be rewrought, and every Kell and Ketch will kneel to the Kell of Kells."
I wonder if Skolas read this prophecy before his actions in D1 or if he was unaware and just perfectly fit the bill.
It took a couple hundred years for the Vex to create something to counter Saints light (A guardians light is like a finger print, each different) and our guardian helped destroy the vex which could do that, it took so much time and resources to do that, the vex couldn't do it again which is why we meet him years later getting him out the forest
For background lore stuff:
Saint-14, before his death, went on a well-known series of personal crusades against the Fallen houses (something akin to a country, or prominent guilds, or religious sects). The House of Rain in particular did not survive Saint-14’s crusade.
The main houses used to be ones like Winter, Kings, and (this should be somewhat familiar) the House of Wolves. Post Red War, the only house left was the House of Dusk, nominally led by Uldren Sov. By this point in the story, there is one more house: the House of Light, led by Mithrax.
Skolas's actions during D1 really did a number on the remaining houses, eh?
I also didn't know the fallen who used to follow Uldren were from this house of dusk. Thanks for the info!
The best way to describe the Perfect Paradox and the timey wimey stuff with it, is like the letter P. There's an enclosed loop, but the events after Saint is rescued from the Forest is the tail of the P. I'm thinking that the part where we go to our own grave is a different loop/letter P that follows the same linear line. We're yet to see the reason why the grave exists in the first place. Also, remember the melody of the song Shaxx sang, that's all I'm gonna say on that.
You better remember the melody of shaxx's song.
I'll try to explain the timeline shenanigans as well as i can from what i understand, i take no responsibility if I get something wrong but essentially the infinite forest is it's own thing seperate from our timeline, in our timeline we always went back and inspired saint and in our timeline saint always survived because that's the timeline we went back into the forest to take out the martyr mind, in any forest timeline we didn't do that saint died, so we get the perfect paradox from him in his tomb so we can give it to every version of saint in the forest so we can get it from the corpses of the one we don't save, so for our timeline we always both save and don't save saint...and if you think that's complicated never look at the exo strangers lore 😂
Idk if you noticed but that song shaxx sung is a certain hive gods theme
The Traveler or Great machine did choose the Eliksni/Fallen before us. They merely followed it to our system, chasing that old bearings
I don't think I actually knew that they used to have the traveler's blessing. It makes a lot of their actions make more sense with that context!
@@terabellum also. before the next reaction. Know that Saint-14 and Osiris are a thing
The infinte forest is purely a planetary simulation machine the sundial is what we used to acces the corridors of time and the saint 14 we saved is one pulled from a alternate timeline its much like marvels time travel rules
Cutscene in 33:44, the whole thing will be very clear in season of seraph
Try not to think of it as a separate timeline more like a walk through our own past timeline and course correcting the perfect paradox. We were always saints inspiration to be the best of guardians there were 2 moments in saints history that couldn’t be found by Osiris his death and his inspiration on mercury. Us going back through time with the Perfect paradox shotgun triggered something that allowed us to track down and save saint from his death while also giving him the perfect paradox allowed us to complete the loop of going back in time inspiring him to become the best he can be and even in his death he said he would find a way to give it back to us which he did in curse of Osiris at his tomb completing the cycle. The shotgun itself shouldn’t exist because it was made of nothing but sheer will and light but because of its existence it allowed to save the greatest titan who ever lived. Sorry for the lengthy comment I’m a lore nerd an got carried away lol
Can’t wait to see what you think of the rest of the seasons 👍
My favorite season of all time
You should react to the trailer. For me, it's the best seasonal trailer they made so far.
I loved this season!
Just a heads up: Saint and Osiris are a thing :)
Time line bullshit and a bit of D2 retcon of game lore
It's really too bad that the woke mob got their hands on Osiris and Saint-14, there was absolutely zero trace of any romance between them, they had this incredible brothers-at-arms story that had nothing to do with a human banging a robot. It's really too bad, these used to be such rich and complex characters and now they're just poster boys for woke politics.
I don't think there's a relationship between anyone except for us and our ghost not like that I'm just saying that there is no friendship between a single person and its entire game
@@Xanderj89 Your words are literally meaningless. Not everything on this earth needs to become queer. I am correct, and you're in a cult.
"Woke mob" lmao. People shipped a relationship, writers decided to canonize it, end of story. It's got nothing to do with "wokeness". If you have a problem with LGBTQ+ characters and relationships, you should have boycotted Destiny from year 1. They've always been here. Eriana seeking vengeance for Crota killing her wife was one of the single most impactful events in Destiny history, and it's been canon since D1 launched. Keep your Dark Age prejudices to yourself.
@@mozeytown who I have no clue who that is
@@mozeytown Except I never once said I have a problem with LGBTQ+AIP$@$23 members, that's actually not a thing that I have EVER said, so I have no idea why you're babbling incoherently about it.
Your mindless, baseless nonsense accusations aside, these two characters WERE NOT GAY when they were originally written. Believe it or not, sexuality isn't something that can be decided by f*cking fiat.
Keep YOUR Dark Age simplicity to yourself, and do not dare put words in my mouth. Thanks.
Saint and Osiris are actually romantically involved. A love between a human and an Exo.
EYES EMOJI 👀
IVE BEEN SAYING I WANT TO SEE SAINT AND OSIRIS KISS 😅
@@terabellum You might get the chance. Their relationship is explored more in the year of the Witch Queen. Particularly Season of the Hunt, Season of Plunder.
@@terabellum they do, well kind of, it's one of the black and white slideshow cutscenes and it's in season of plunder
Mf doesn't even have lips😭😭😭😭
@@Im_Ellipsis Nice spoiler. I love spoiling the surprise.