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- On a quest to break 2:20 for the Marathon, Sweat Elite founder Matt Fox documents his journey to the Osaka Marathon. This is episode 11 - the finale - the Osaka Marathon recap.
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The marathon is a cruel cruel beast. Most of us can run a half marathon and unless something catastrophic happens we know what the result will be +/- a small amount of time. But that cruel marathon monster just never knows what it's gonna give you on the day. Trust the process, don't be a slave to the result! Cheers mate.
Agreed
Hi Matt, congrats on your Osaka marathon result, I could only dream of a 2:21 finish. Your fair play is worth more than a 2:19:59 finish. I really enjoyed the sub 2:20 project, just call your next series "Reaching 2:15" and you'll get there easy ;) Enjoy London, with no finish time in mind. Cheers!
Good idea Freestyle Workout
Another series is a must! Been an amazing follow along - pickle juice for cramping
Thanks Simon, heard this can be helpful
that's a cyclist must have at all time
I literally have lived every part of this series. Just keep providing the content. It’s clearly gonna happen at some stage. Just a matter of when. ❤
Thanks Richard
Matt -- I don't think anything is wrong with you. You're a beast. The marathon is just a superhuman endeavor. And probably not the healthiest thing for our bodies. I admire the work. Keep it up!
Fantastic effort Matt. The dust has settled and you're pretty much there. Its just tinkering with the ingredients. Think about the Indy block versus Berlin versus Osaka etc. Berlin was lots of strength training but a slower time than Osaka where it looked liked very little strength training but a faster time.....but, Berlin was hamstring and 'normal' cramp scenario. Like i say I think you're there. Awesome series as always. P.S. - Pro Running News Podcast is fantastic also. Always the topic of conversation after a club training run.🙌
Oh man, please continue the video series! Love it!
Would LOVE to continue following your journey towards your best race. It’s developed into something greater than much of the rest of Sweat Elite content. That might not be what you ultimately wanted but in my opinion you’re holding pocket aces with this channel right now. Go all in. Cheers!
I have had and still have they same problem. I crap at the end of marathons. If I run at 90% or less I do not crap at all. I did a test. I ran in the winter. It was 22 or less. No wind. I found in the cold I never cramp. You did great. Solve craps for all of us.
I have watched two rounds now , and I agree with you , it is not the engine its the support structure. I look forward to you finding the key to this puzzle.
Thank you for joining me on the journey John.
I agree with you John, my half marathon PB is 36:39 but I believe with running attire, running shoes, with nutrition and full 8week training, I can definitely do better. We literally run with drinking water only, the engine is strong but the body needs fixing. Matt is an amazing athlete with monstrous mentality and. Amazing work ethic
I agree with you John, my half marathon PB is 36:39 but I believe with running attire, running shoes, with nutrition and full 8week training, I can definitely do better. We literally run with drinking water only, the engine is strong but the body needs fixing. Matt is an amazing athlete with monstrous mentality and. Amazing work ethic
Hi Matt, Your openness and honesty is refreshing. I also suffer with cramps in races (but not in training) - so annoying. Have you considered doing a video on why cramps occur and what you can do to stop it. Is it speed, hydration, strength in legs etc etc.
Matt you have changed my outlook on so many things, im incredibly motivated due to your videos, and character as a man. You will break 2:20 in due time as i will break 2:40 also. Please keep doing what your doing
Still an absolute inspiration 🔥 The latest podcast on CitiusMag with Ken Rideout had them discussing about how the geometry and stack of the shoe choice affects late stage race cramping when running form naturally breaks down a lil, as well as how it affect some runners like Ken himself, with VF inducing less cramping than AF, at least for his running mechanics, perhaps it can be another avenue for you to explore to aid your cramping issues 💁🏻♂️
Hey Matt! Hate you didn’t hit your goal. I’m a PT who specializes in the marathon. I feel very pretty confident the strength training (4-6 reps/heavy height at sub maximal efforts) would reduce/eliminate the cramping. It will improve the ability to recruit more motor units at a given intensity and improve their tolerance to stress. I’d recommend 2-3 days per week during the base/building phase, then just enough to maintain when you get into the pre comp/competition phase. How you see this and it helps!
Yup, we want another video series.
Really?!
@@sweatelite FOR SURE BRO. No doubts!
I’ve really enjoyed the series Matt, recently missed my own 3hr target for the third time in a row, despite feeling this time that I was in 2:50 -2:55 shape. Marathons are tough. Fingers crossed for the next one. Remember 2:21 is incredible even if it’s not want you want and what you’ve earned through your training.
I think that 2:21 is a time to be extremely proud of! From a purely selfish point of view, I hope that you do a video series for the London marathon - I am racing this year and recovering from injuries and your videos are inspiring me to push through my challenges!
Inspiring channel, video series and journey. Keep pushin Matt, no matter what, we are all rooting for you ;)
I hesitate to tell you this man, all these years you have come to Africa, there is this one thing you could’ve learnt is taking big risks! Stop running scared or otherwise hire yourself a pacemaker so you won’t have to overthink things! You started easy, maybe way too easy! Marathon nowadays it’s all about the least you can slow down in the end the better and with your profile I wouldn’t count on some magic negative split! Go for it in London and no more excuses😉
You don’t cramp when running a lower pace for a full marathon. I think the cramping is a combination of pace and distance. I think it’s the body’s way of shutting down/ telling us to slow down. Salt tablets have helped me some but I still cramp at the end. Maybe it is a inconsistency in my body/ stride that over long time causes the cramp.
Congrats on a good time! 🎉
Hey Matt, great race in Osaka unlucky not to get sub 2:20. Just wanted to say your video series is what brought me to the channel and kept me here! I love all your other content also but this series is so informative and engaging. Keep doing you 🙏
Kudos for fronting up, post race, on camera - Kudos for running through cramps -
Keep plugging away -
"I'm happy to be here" - I'll be taking that one with me next time.
Hey Matt! Just want to say I'm absolutely in awe of everything you've done. Creating sweat elite is something that has been invaluable for me as someone who was a former football lineman and has now transitioned to running as I try to lose weight and embrace a new type of challenge outside of team sports. You are a legend in my eyes when it comes to developing the running realm as a whole especially on CZcams! Whatever you choose to do i will be forever appreciative of this gift you have already given the running scene.. all that said, I also work as an analyst for my career and the one thing that keeps coming to mind when you talk about indicators of fitness is that segmentation is one of the key mediating factors to accuracy of generalized indicators. I wonder if those indicators, while accurate to a fair degree, don't take into consideration overall bodily breakdown and stress for, as you mention yourself, an above average size runner. I myself am an 'atheltic' lol 300lb (hopefully soon to be under) runner and have had to grapple with the fact that concepts around pace and recovery always need to be adjusted because those concepts have been built for people outside of my particular segment/demographic. Regardless of your future times, I wonder your thoughts on leveraging your experience of cramping against the different projections and factoring in a sort of buffer based on your particular runner demographic/segment to give your body a little bit more of a range of outcomes given that you are subject to more unknowns as a slightly larger runner taking on these great distances. There may be more bodily repair required for you, potentially exponentially so, as distance increases, which could be most observable at your most extreme distances such as marathon. Again just my 2 cents as a career analyst, amateur runner, and someone greatly appreciative of all you've brought to the running scene. You. Are. Legend!
Matt, I've followed your video series throughout your Berlin and Osaka training blocks and it's so interesting and inspiring to watch. You & Nick Bester were a bit like my north stars when it came to goal-driven training and motivation for Berlin - in which you helped me to finally run sub 3 hour at the ripe old age of 51. (Let's just say I made other life choices when I was younger ;). So thank you for that, and KEEP GOING.
Congratulations again sir! Running sub 2:25 in a marathon crazy in its self. I hope one day that I will be able to run a sub 2:30 marathon. you’ve inspired me so much getting out the door to achieve my goals and dreams with this series along with all the other videos you post. I definitely see a sub 2:15 marathon from you soon!
Mate really enjoyed this series 👍 definitely do another series, but like you said, take away some of the stress of times. As a fellow 75kg Aussie loved how relatable it all was.
fantastic results overall!
Please do another series! I love watching every episode and also keep trying to run as fast as possible, don't listen to what people like Inside Running podcast say. Just because it worked for them doesn't mean it works for everyone.
All of your training series have been invaluable to me both for strategy and inspiration. Keep pushing Matt, you will find the key to a cramp-free marathon!
Matt, I’ve been watching your videos since I started my running journey. What an inspiration!
Amazing run Matt well done I’m sure you’ll figure the cramping out good luck and it’s still a fantastic time 👍👏👏👏
A great effort Matt. You can go sub 20 without a doubt. I really hope you run London Marathon as you are very fit at the moment and it will give you another opportunity to go sub 20. In life you need to take these opportunities. Best wishes.
Cheers Ian
Please, please another series! The most enjoyable on youtube. 🏃🏃
Compression shorts can stop blood flow that can cause cramping…you always run in “Lycra/Compression “ shorts…have you ever thought about running in just running shorts??
Also it’s refreshing how honest you are & even tho you come up a little short you don’t shy away. Already looking forward to the next series.
I think he ran in shorts in Berlin.
@@kerricappy4890 oh…was a shot in the dark anyway
Sorry about the dang cramps, Matt. We all know what you’re capable of. I hope you work this out man! Regardless, thanks for all that you bring to CZcams. Love the channel, keep it up legend!! 🤩
Enjoy the journey don’t seek the destination! You’ve put in great work and had great training. Cherish all the joy of training 🫶🏼
Nice edit, with the interview and pre-race overlay 👌
Cheers Jack!
Most important thing to say: Good job! You brought it home in a more than decent manner, despite all the traveling, the jetlag, the elevation gain and possible pressure. I’m familiar with the cramping problem since years and maybe the answer to that is everything: hydration, nutrition, electrolytes, strength, pacing, neurological factors, mindset and a big aerobic base. Maybe there is nothing that can be singled out. Put in the work and have fun doing it.
I feel your frustration. You did a fantastic block. Everything went right except for the last 5k. Damn damn damn.
Just checking in to encourage another try! We love following your journey. Go for it any way you want! We support you!!!! We all love a good puzzle!
Do another series. Enjoy this one. I learned a lot
Hey Matt, for someone like me, doing a marathon in 2:21 is just incredible. Thank you for sharing your journey. I’m sure when you have achieved your goal (be is 2:16 or 2:19) it will be that much sweeter when you look back these unsuccessful attempts.
One question. Have you considered losing 3-5kg (slowly so you don’t lose speed and strength). At 72kg you are by no means heavy but compared to the elite runners who are 10+kg lighter, your muscles are going through that much more eccentric load every time you land. Just a thought. No idea whether it will help with your cramps or not. But if you’ve tried electrolytes and fueling, the other possibility is that your muscles can’t cope with that much trauma.
Would love to see a continuation of this video series at least towards London. Love watching your journey! And if you continued to do videos of your own training and build ups I’m sure tons of other people would love to watch!
I use to cramp a lot in my 20's , I'm now 50yo and cramp free running 36min 10K. Strength work really helped. Congrats Matt 👏
Thanks Fred
Fred, to run a 36 min 10km, what's your weekly program??
@@na-dk9vm 30-80km/ week, one track session per week and hills. Strength work 2x week
Hi Matt, congrats on the finishing time. It is promising to see your progression, and the video series is inspiring! And yes, we want another video series no pressure though!
Thank you for the positive feedback
Thanks for sharing Matt! Love this series and hope it continues. I've learned so much and want to see you figure out the cramping issue. It's going to happen. Good luck in London.
Please do another series, really enjoy them. Great effort, but better look next time. If it was easy it wouldn't be worth doing. The motivation for me is seeming you dust yourself off and go for it time and time again.
If you don't do a video series, please do these race recaps after your races, they are amazing!
this is all just part of the process towards you inevitably achieving your goal! congrats on pushing through and finishing with a still-remarkable time - i look forward to watching you document another attempt and pulling off the sub 2:20!
Who knows why you have going on what you do, but no doubt it will come together one day.....good luck wih it all!
Thank you for the wonderful series, and for your transparency and honesty when sharing all your training, and the race recap. It's really inspiring and educating. London is then.
You've done us proud especially those of us Who started following this project last year, we've seen so much progress and it's always going to get better even if you don't Hit the exact time, you definitely gained more experience on other areas of the racing as well, it's just a matter of when. I've also learned Alot from you especially about things concerning fueling and nutrition. Rest well and see you in the next one ❤️💪🏃
Cheers Herbert, appreciate it very much.
@@sweatelite 🙏
A frustrating one for yourself indeed. To know you're so close and then succumb to something that is seemingly out of your control. Hope you get it next time, really are on the cusp of it!
Worded well, Chris. It'll come. Thanks for the note.
Great effort Matt. From personal experience and also over 30 years coaching, and based on your info from the video I would suggest that the cramps are likely related to a lack of MP specificity and possibly glute weakness, and not fuel/fluid/electrolytes etc. Running 66.45 half is just an indicator and no relation to the 26.2 without the specific work. So I would expect plenty of regular long runs at a good aerobic pace maybe around 3.30k if an athlete is aiming for 2.18 or around 3.15k pace. If you have plenty of the pace MP work then the more likely culprit is exhausted glutes which cannot protect the hamstrings any longer, hence the increased load on low glycogen = cramps
Thanks Von, you’re probably right. I did do 6 runs over 35km, quite a lot of that near marathon pace/effort..
Cheers Matt for video. Only thing I did after a big marathon cramp issue is have 2 salt/electrolytes replacement drinks in the day before. I figured it meant every possible salt/electrolytes combo being 100% pre race and avoid stuff being washed out with any over hydration day before. Just a shout and know you’ve tried loads of stuff. Cheers again for the great video series.
Inspiring stuff
Thanks for showing us the good and bad throughout this series. One thing that came to mind was possibly trying out precision hydration’s sweat concentration device to see what your specific sweat rate/sodium concentration is per liter. You might just have an insanely high rate or concentration and need to be doing even more. I remember lionel sanders saying he asked a lot of people about this topic, including Jan Frodeno and other pros didn’t have too much knowledge on the topic due to not having these issues. Just something to consider! Appreciate this series and channel!
Congratulations on the race and on the YT series, Matt & team.
Personally, I find these series very attractive, regardless of you being a professional runner or not. I do feel like you are.
Yet another idea about the cramping root issue: postural? Race day is the only day you run fast & long & without recoveries. Maybe your body can handle your "fast running posture" for short distances but not for long ones? Maybe worth studying data regarding stride, feet imbalances, all that stuff...
Thanks!
Still a great time and effort. Would be interesting for you to film a segment with some experts on cramping and hear their input and recommendations. Perhaps one that includes a test in their lab where they try to replicate the cramping.
Thanks Matt for these sub220 series. Have been interesting and inspiring to watch your journey.
Congratulations and congratulations on the huge success of the channel, I love the content and the concept in general!
I guess, we would all like to see another video series. 😬
Oh dear
Pulled the words right out of my mouth
I would recommend pickle juice for cramps. But your body has a mind of it own sometimes. 2:21 low is a crazy good time. You've got the work it's just a matter of time now. Loved this series.
Great recap and thanks for sharing your feelings/analysis. You are a great inspiration. Really hoping you can get those cramps in check. Keep at it, you will figure it out. 👍
Enjoying the series. Enjoying the training and enjoying the attitude. Don't give up! The harder the goal and the longer it takes the better the outcome.
Thanks Stewart!
another video series please!! thanks for the insights and openness
Nothing worth doing was ever easy or comes without trials. I trust you’ll be able to overcome the cramping.
Thanks Ian
Cheers for doing the series Matt, it’s been fun watching the process and training 👍
Sorry to hear about the cramping. Great run all things considered! Without knowing your complete training and nutritional history and under the assumption that your intake of water, salts, and glucose are correctly dosed, here are a few things that might help:
Less pre-race caffeine (can cause cramping)
Take acetaminophen pre-race (can minimize pain from cramps).
26-30 mile long runs. A lot of elite marathoners I've talked to around Beaverton do/did these. Even doing 20 in the morning and 10 in the evening would go a long way to help prevent neuromuscular fatigue. Best of luck in the future!
Good tips!
Absolute LEGEND!! Inspiring me to get out the door.
Already over 200 comments, But if I am, I'd like to be the first to say that this will be the last time you try to run sub 2hr 20.. London will be your 2hr 17-18. Very inspiring man my friend.
Hi Matt, sorry to see that you didn't have the run that you wanted. 2.21 is a still a time most of us can only dream of, so well done for that.
If you can, I think you've got nothing to lose by going again at London? You clearly have the fitness. Today wasn't your day, but with an easy week, then a few weeks maintaining fitness, I think you could have another cracking at it.
Hey Matt! Been watching you for a while now, I love the grind and the commitment to the sport. You're fast, you ran well in the 10k and did a lot of endurance work. MY only advice is to focus on the shorter stuff and limit yourself to the marathons. I feel like your marathon buildups are too close together. You should mess around in the 5k/10k/13.1 distance and by dropping those times the marathon will drop naturally.
FYI: Strength training will resolve your cramping programs. Stick to a weekly routine and be consistent.
One more yes for a new series!!!
I have the same problem with cramping on marathon and also i don't know reason. But congratulation for your fight in Osaka! Next time will be better!
Thanks for the series, I've enjoyed watching the build ups and living vicariously thru you as I rehab my Achilles.
I hate to be that guy but if the hamstrings and calves cramp that seems like the glutes aren't doing as much as they can. So your thoughts on more strength work might be right on. Idk that's what jumps out to me
I hope you do another series, good luck!
Have you considered doing uphill sprints as specific strength training? Like 10 seconds all out sprints with 3 minutes passive rest between reps. I'm not saying it's better than lifting heavy in the gym, but surely easier to do wherever you are training.
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Hi Matt, really well done on Osaka. Still a great effort even if not what you wanted! Would love to keep following your journey in another series, maybe just cut the sub 2:20 part ;)
I’ve read a lot of World Cup cross country ski racers travel and strength train with TRX straps. Maybe find a strength coach who could build a strength plan for you with TRX straps? Not max strength but functional strength. And congrats on another super fast marathon!
Enjoyable series to watch, i wish i could do the kind of stuff you do! Im a hobby jogger running for fun, and i understand the "swing for the fences" mentality. Personally in marathons im "batting about .500, half have been good and the other have have been horrendous flops. I think that maybe both of us need to stop the home-run or bust mentality. It is ok to hit some singles or doubles everyonce in a while. Rest up, and show up to london in your 2:17 shape, then run an even-pace 2:20. Hit a double out there man. Then take a few months to do something different, train for a fast 5k or 10k, get some speed, freshen up the legs. Then hit a really smart, really specific training block for an early spring marathon 2024 (Houston, Tokyo, Seville) IMO incremental progress is better than no progress at all.
Don't give up.
I always thought that cramps were due to sweat loss and water/salt imbalance, but now I realize that it’s actually more complicated and could have to do with reactions from the central nervous system. How frustrating! In any case, I hope you can figure something out. At the end of the day, health and happiness are all that matters, so just do what you feel is right for the future which could mean trying to tackle the cramps issue or just reframing the goals. I’ve enjoyed watching the series - thanks for everything.
My experience is that running long races at the end if there are slopes downhill running causes my legs to cramp ! In your case the symtoms seems to stem from your lower back ! I suggest an MRI examination and also alternate your running schedule with swimming in swimming arena 2 times every week
Hi Matt
I have the same cramping-issue as you or I had... I started consuming 5-6 salt sticks during my marathon combined with magneisum and that keeps it away.
It's a bit anooying focusing on taking the sticks every 5k, but it has been a game changer..
Have heard this a few times now, worth trying
Hi All,
I always had cramps on most of my marathons and yes the salt sticks have help so much I wish everyone good luck in your future marathons.
+1 strength training. Fatigue resistance. Things like step ups and lunges after a hard workout or long run. Brutal but it seems like it's just a matter of training your legs and body for fatigue resistance. I don't think it's electrolyte given you've tried everything else.
Matt, congratulations for the marathon results.
I would see your cramping as structural basically then metabolic.
See with more longer medium effort long run in the beginning of your next block along with some strength work in hills. I mean during Fundamental period. Keep the speed as second priority. But as Canova says don't lose what you have. So maintain it but mostly focus on strength endurance on hills and longer runs medium effort with faster efforts towards the end. Play with it in the base period and then later in the specific period you can decide what pace to focus on. Don't decide pace in the base building. Do your next block organically and less like a professional.
Good luck for the next block Matt. Take care. Recover well. And thanks to the Sweat Elite team for all your efforts.
Strength work and regular stretching should help you with the hamstring cramps over time. I’m not as fast as you but that’s what helped me 🤷♂️
Hi Matt, you could be onto something with the strength training. I'm sure you've already considered this but it might be that you are losing hip extension in the later stages when you are starting to tire but trying to push the pace. This would switch the load onto the calves and quads causing them to cramp with the new increased work load. There are a lot of bodyweight exercises to help improve this which can be done in whatever hotel room you find yourself in. I'm by no means an expert, but I found that strength training helped a lot when I had some similar issues.
P.S I also really enjoyed this series!
Specific strength work will get you there. Then come back and tell that story as a lesson to others.
Best of luck, may you have many miles of uninterrupted/healthy training.
Thanks Mikey, i think there's a good chance
Congrats on the great series. Sorry it wasn’t quite the outcome you wanted, but I’ve enjoyed following the process. If you do go again, I’d definitely find it interesting - maybe get in a gym with Holly Stables (Rush) 👍🏼 I think you’re right in that it seems crystal that strength is the last piece of the puzzle.
Good work man!! You are great and I appreciate you sharing. Yeah the cramping is super confusing. Another idea is cycling? Going out for 4-5 hour ride could strengthen/harden the hamstrings? Just another idea.
also - thanks for sharing i've enjoyed the series
Congratulations 🎊 🥳
Great to hear that a 73kg person can run 2h20 😅! Specific strength training seems a valid option to explore. Anyway great performance and very nice series. Keep enjoying running and the running community.
Congrats on the great race in Japan! I had a thought, what if you targeted a marathon with a Point-to-Point course? Limited turns, and the possibility of a tailwind the entire way could give you the edge to really hit your goal! California International Marathon in December perhaps!
When you Discover how to "defeat" the cramps you nail it!!!! 😉💪
Hopefully one day soon
Matt loving the great content. Can I please ask what your Soar Jacket is please? Is that the one you mentioned keeps you cool and warm dependant on weather?
Hey Matt, have you ever thought that muscle fatigue might be the main reason behind your muscle cramps? Maybe your taper week before the marathon is just too intense considering your busy schedule of intense training, running your business, and traveling a lot. So, why not give it a shot and cut the volume of your intense workouts in half during the last week of your taper? It won't hurt to try and rule out this possibility
I strongly recommend that you check out the latest episode of the Andrew Huberman podcast featuring Andy Galpin, where they discuss the effects of tapering on muscle fibers
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Very good go but am sure very frustrating to feel did not get everything out. I googled why runners get cramps and saw a whole range of possible issues from dehydration to drinking too much to going out too hard to leg strength which am sure you have all considered. I did wonder though that personally one of my biggest things I feel important in marathon training is regular exposure to running for as long as you want to race for and maybe sometimes a bit further. So looked at your Strava and sure enough found a 2:25 run with 35K "moderate" and 5K presume about MP few weeks out which seemed to go OK. Any different factors there other than the obvious slower pace for most of it? If you do say such a long run but with MP in the middle either side of moderate would you still generally be OK? Simplistically that seems to me to be the best way of possibly simulating the issues you are having which in turn may help to see what might help to resolve it.
Hi Matt,
Like you, I suffer from what I've been able to correlate as muscular fatigue induced cramps.
I'm a 1:28HM, 5:02 70.3, athlete chasing a sub 1:25 but , like you, I'm feeling comfortable at 6:20/mi so am going to stretch my target.
I was able to correlate my cramps because varying sodium, potassium, magnesium intake, and hydration has no noticeable effect but I now always cramp in muscles I've trained hard in previous sessions. So, for instance; I tend the cramp mostly in swim sessions. If I do some significant calf/hamstring conditioning work on a Wed, I tend to struggle with calf & or hammy cramps on a Thu evening swim, even after a lunchtime easy run. Or, I tend to suffer with quad cramps when I swim after bike days. I just adjust the swim workouts to work around those things.
I noticed that one of the sessions you seemed to struggle with was the Kenyan Fartlek (from memory) and that is the kind of session I think of as a strength session.
Because of where I live, and what I enjoy, I do all but my most focused threshold sessions, on undulating trails and have adapted to be a strength runner, but limited by aerobic/speed capacity.
Have you considered trading some of your speed and aerobic capacity, for some strength? Maybe, if you dropped to a stronger 2:19 runner, you'd break 20. And let's face it; if you get yourself into 2:14 shape to limp home a 2:19; you are going to chase sub 2:14 right after 😁