Grab Adhesives compared. How to fix skirting board using the correct grab adhesives
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- čas přidán 23. 12. 2020
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This video is a comparison of readily available grab adhesives for everyday use.
I have tried everything over the years and I think that I now have a product that I trust and will use regularly
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I'm a Carpenter and Joiner and I use the green solvent based Gripfil on back when fixing skirting, but I will take on board what Robin reported here. I must say Robin is a proper Carpenter and Joiner, so I really acknowledge and applaud his work, he's an all rounder, as I am. I got told 42 years ago that a really good Joiner can go on a building site on day one doing shuttering for foundations and stay on site all the way to the final fixing work. Robin is of that ilk, and neat too.
I didn't think there would be so much difference in the results. Thanks Robin
For fixing skirting I recommend expanding foam. Fills the gaps and gives good insulation value. Goes further than these tubes and value for money. If your doing mouldings I’d use any silicone I’ve got on the van left over. Be careful of squeeze outs and also nail both skirtings and architraves with the pin gun. Job done. Joiner 32 yrs. I’m 48 yrs old. Glad I could help. 👍🏻😀🇬🇧
Thank you! Very helpful. Just like in the video, when I removed the skirting some plaster came off. Expanding foam FTW
Robin, Cant tell you how much you've helped us self builders and now our daughter has bought a 'project' and shes watching your brilliant videos too! Thank you...you should have your own TV program!!!
Excellent good to see a practical review like this. Price is the only other consideration for me!
I stopped using gripfill years ago because of the skinning issues I also felt it didn’t compress well. I have been to many jobs where skirtings have been bonded with gripfill and they have literally fell off the wall with little encouragement. I was an ardent user of sticks like s*** rapid until I did a restaurant refurb which required bonding stainless steel sheeting. The sheet supplier recommendation was sticks all and I have been using it ever since on many different applications. I also use CT1 and found that to be really good also.The one thing I don’t understand is all of these products claim to bond a multitude of materials including plastics, but I’ve never had the screw on cap for the nozzle get stuck! 😂
Is that because the threads are glue free when you apply the nozzle? And lack of air to let the glue go off
guy Rawson I’ve never had them stick even with product around the nozzle tbh! I guess you could argue that an excess of product could stop the air curing the product though!
Im pleased that Gripfill failed massively, I’ve noticed a change in it, you’re right about the consistency and skinning over, recently had a whole box of them that had dried out in the tube unopened.
I've had a few tubes of this now, needing so much pressure that it burst on the seam
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Nice test,
Having just this week pulled off a skirting board to be able to route a cable in the wall, I appreciate that the strongest possible adhesive wasn't used, otherwise I might have had large chunks of ripped out plasterboard to sort out. Sometimes using a glue that is "Strong Enough" is the best option.
If only I could remember which adhesive I used when I stuck it on years back.
Thanks for the video, and Merry Xmas
Magic, Got a load of Architrave to fit and you have answered my question. Evidence based choices are the best. Many Thanks.
I use most of these, each have their own applications. I try to use Instant Nails on skirting / arc because it's super cheap (usually less than £1). It's also over-paintable so if I'm being rushed to finish I can use it as a makeshift caulk (for flat walls at-least), then the painters can paint the same day. Gripfill + Gripfill extra are my go to gap filling adhesives, for bonding to uneven surfaces etc. Stixall is my current favourite if I need a really solid bond, and it's available in black, white and clear tubes which is handy. The only one I haven't tried is Multi Stick. Looks to be cheaper than Stixall so will certainly give that a go. Very informative video, thanks.
Thanks Robin! I really like these ..out in the field.. videos. Well done!
Yeah. Tried a few different adhesives, and always go back to the Stixall.
Even built a garden wall with it. Great stuff
I use the Instant Nails because it's cheap. I've had fairly good results with it. Also because it's solvent free...it's good for sticking polystyrene insulation as it doesn't melt it.
Thanks for all the videos that you do Robin. Happy Christmas to you and your family. Hoping for a healthy and happ..ier 2021.
I've been a major fan of StixAll since it was launched. It's simply amazing. Sets in the wet, provides amazing strength and bond. I've used it as an adhesive as well as a sealant in water conduits. I've even repaired boot soles with it. I wouldn't use it it on architrave because it's overkill but StixAll is one of four main adhesives I choose, depending on need.
We found Multistick to be a good choice for an adhesive instead of stixall, but if you want adhesive and sealent then stixall is the one to go for.
Hi Robin we’ve done the same kind of testing and found that clear Stixall works on everything and been using it now for the last few year’s and it has never let me down. Many thanks.
Excellent video. Thank you. I've used stixall for years. Never let me down and is great at filling and sealing gaps as it's paintable.
Stixall is my favourite to its better than that sticks like stuff
Brilliant Robin, great test
I've been using pink grip for a while now with skirting along with pins. Had few to no issues with it really and get a good deal on it at wickes but after seeing this I'm trying that multi stick next. As always Robin, good video bud. Hope your having a day off tomorrow. Seasons greetings
Great review Robin. I can say too love those polymer adhesive. Gripfill still has a use on some occasions.
Merry Christmas to you and yours Robin 🎄
Had my eye on the stixall thinking it would perform good. I use it a lot serious stuff. Also use “fixall” a lot from soudal. Also excellent stuff. I find foam brilliant too especially if bonding material tight together ie. plant on mdf wall panelling. Material sticks very flat together as opposed to stixall where the glue can prevent the material from sticking very tightly together a hairline gap is hard to avoid. Great video as usual. Thanks 👍👍
Another great review, Robin.
I'll happily use No more nails or Screwfix own solvent free gripfill for scribes or skirting boards. It holds absolutely fine. In a real life situation your not forcing a chisel behind it or anything hanging off it. For something like a curtain batten, or something that's going to take any weight, definitely stixall or similar. Good to see you mention gripfill needing to be pulled apart first as so many people don't know that.
Thanks for your great content, it really lands well especially for a budding carpenter like myself 🙏 Merry Christmas Sir
I've tried them all... and nothing beats a good foam gun and some pu foam 👌
Yep - holds better, because it's flexible, ten times easier to get off, if needed, with no damage to the wall, and a breeze to clean off, if needs to be re-fixed. Oh, and a fraction of the price, too. 👍
Yup my go to as well
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One thing I can say about Pink Grip is years ago I had to build some racked shelving in a concrete panel generator house, I did not want to screw the uprights to the the wall as it had been there for umpteen years. I used Pink Grip. Years later I had to take the racking out, I had to beat the uprights off the wall with a club hammer and all it did was split the wood and a good 1/2" remained stuck to the wall.
Great test this... wee point on the stixall, I always keep a couple of clear tubes In the van for sealing gutters & it’s yet to let me down. Have a nice xmas Robin 🎄
👍 Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and yours Robin 🎅🍾🥂🍺🍻🍺
I usually use "Soudal Fix All" which I've just noticed is also a hybrid polymer. However, the Everbuild Multi Stick is half the price though and you get more of it, so I think I'll give it a go. Thanks Robin!!
I've used both and find Soudal Fix All far superior to EB multi-stick - also I've had a few tubes of multi-stick that brand new are rock solid and won't come out the of the tube - super annoying when you just want to get on! Fix all is double the price though!
Everbuild were acquired by Sika which makes sense why their products performed well. Sika are the best in the business.
Thank you Stephen!!
StixAll is the one for me but I will definitely try the other one. I used it while fixing skirting. If the house falls down, I will be confident the skirting will still be ok
Great video Robin, this will save people money for the product and the material being fitting.
I have a list in my notebook called Robin Recommendations, this will be added.
Look forward to other fixing videos, maybe comparisons between wall plugs, anchors and chem fix etc.
Merry Christmas
Great video...stixall everytime for me sticks when wet over paintable. Comes in Black White Grey and Clear.It’s just expensive but great products normally are. 👍
Thanks for the video made the job much easier!
If Robin sold an adhesive I would purchase it, CT1 is my favourite. Merry Christmas
This was really useful. I swear by multi-stick and a colleague swears by stixall!! Good to see them cross the line together. It would be great to see how fast the top 3 grab. A pull test after 1hr 2h 4hr & 8hrs?
I use pink grip most of the time and it seems to work well. You might get the odd tube that’s gone a bit hard sometimes from a crap batch or it’s been on the shelf too long. I find though that when pressing onto the surface a must is to move the object up and down while pressing hard as it might not fix.
Edit: I thought worth mentioning that sometimes you don’t want your skirt fixed in a fashion that when you want to remove it it destroys the plasterboard. I have a 20yr old house that was fixed using gripfill and caulked in; the skirt came off quit easy as the gripfill had dried out. I cut the caulk along the top and the skirt came off easy with no damage to the plasterboard. I put down a wooden floor new skirting in, no troubles. I was glad the skirting wasn’t fixed too solidly.
I can't understand why anyone would use the old style gripfills when they've used the new ones. They're miles better. Pink grip sticks will to itself that's about it. Can't reseal the tube either
Used them all, depending on what job you do. I am a decorator and also do skirting, dado architraves. Instant nails is good enough and doubles up on caulk. Saying that , expanding foam is top stuff.
Nice video Robin..gripfil was the go to many years ago but it skins easy, doesn’t tack very well and really only feels good when it’s been warmed up next to a radiator for a couple of hours haha. I use instant nails and instastik foam for skirting etc strong enough, but if necessary can be pulled off without damaging the plasterboard behind. Instant nails has also a perfect consistency, paintable and very reasonably priced compared to other tubes. Hope you had a nice Christmas and have a happy New Year!..let’s all hope things get back to some normality next year 🙂👍🏻
I've always liked solvent grip fill.yes it skins but I put a spot on the wall then add some on the timber around the same area.dries rock solid.
I’ve been really impressed with Stixall so I was interested to see your thinking on it …. Great ! 👍
Great video mate. After starting my first ever skirting DIY project I bought some green gripfill and was completely and utterly unimpressed. It skins over, it doesn't compress well and it doesn't grab. I just wish I found this video sooner. I'm off to buy some multi stick or stixall now...
Another no bs video, keep it up robin 👍
Robbed essential craftmans catch phrase "keep up the good work"
You'll have create your own Robin 😂
I noticed that. Another great channel!!!!
Hope that you and your family have a great Christmas :) happy Christmas.
Great video, Merry Christmas
I use pink right price and works well . I stick wall capping back on if cement is still well stuck to bricks . Wall capping don't seem to stick to cement very well. Also brick slips . Try pulling them off and the whole bed of cement is on capping. and yes can be used out side. Great vid thanks.
I recently used the Solvent Gripfill on a kitchen splashback and was left extremely unimpressed, it skinned almost instantly did not grab and I had to stack stuff against it to hold it to the wall.
Thanks for the discount Robin saved me £30 👍🏽
Very good review Robbin!Still boils down to basically the smellier the better !👍Could you please recommend a foam adhesive to fix foil backed insulated plasterboard to the inside of a single brick exterior wall.The outside treated with storm dry so penetrating damp should not be an issue.
Excellent video Robin so thanks. I've spent an age over the years reading labels on tubes of what they can do, and it's often exaggerated, but this simple 'experiment' demonstrates pretty much all I need to know. Just need to compare prices for the best deals ;-)
Glad it was helpful!
thanks for this information and youe videos are really good keep making a videos for us
Well I was glued to this video, so many adhesives available now.
boom boom!! love your comment mate its stuck with me!!
@@ukconstruction You two are starting to form a bond🤩
As always really enjoy your videos Robin! I'll probably get some stick for this but down here in Cornwall I tend to do a lot of renovations on old houses with lime plastered walls and none of the above work as the surface is too porous so I use cheap silicone with 16g pins, it allows for movement and sticks a lot better than any grab adhesive I have tried at a fraction of the cost.
No stick from me Andy, you have found a solution for your type of work and location that works for you so as far as I am concerned that is what its all about, nice one mate
Well worth 20 mins of my time. Opened my eyes a bit. No more gripfil, that's for sure. Thank you.
Thats why I call it shitfill. Skins over too quickly and theres no "grab" factor
Hi Robin, interesting video 👍. I only ever use Dow insta stick foam adhesive for everything now.
Once used it for an oak lining in a rubble built flint opening. Wedged it overnight & hung a 2'8" oak door off of it next day. Never come loose in the last 10 yrs.
On skirtings it goes off in about 10 minutes and you'll never move it plus 1 can lasts for ages.
Hope you have a great Christmas 🎄
Regards
Tim
Problem with that Tim is with skirting it isn't uncommon to have to re move it and if the adhesive you have used is too strong then it's a much bigger and more expensive job. Quite often better to go for something middle of the road
Excellent video Robin!
Glad you liked it!
Interesting Vid - Your channels are the best UK relevant general carpentry/building channels on CZcams. Please don't get too tainted by the corporate dollar. You seem to be reading my mind - lockdown project is a garden office - your feather edge cladding vid came just a little bit too late - I just undercoated the skirting before fitting last night and now this vid shows up in the feed....
Very interesting 👍 good to see the results 👍💯✅ thanks for making this video
No problem 👍
There are other considerations. Cost, instant grip, sticks to wet, sticks to non absorbent surfaces, interior, exterior. This is just a selection from toolstation and I’ve used all of these. However I use the multi stick for most things having moved away from sticks like sh*t. It’s just as good but cheaper. Just make sure you get an increased power gun because it can be hard to get out. If I need instant grab I use fix all turbo or high tack. For everything else there’s puraflex or ct1.
I use DOW INSTA STIK EXPANDING FOAM GRAB ADHESIVE GUN GRADE 750ML. 1 can will do a hole 4 bedroom house it's faster to apply and you can't get it off once dry.
Same, brilliant stuff as long as you put plenty of weight in front of the skirting because it does expand slightly but not a lot.
Same, great stuff. MS polymers are great, but for skirting I deffo prefer insta stik. Another plus is that its lower viscosity allows a tighter fit against the wall, which is great for pre-finished boards and walls. If you give it a few minutes before applying it wont expand either.
totally agree - foam is great for skirting
Tec 7 here in Ireland great stuff but expensive, I've used stixal and find it good too
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Great video!
Would you recommend those two adhesives for putting up duropolymer coving as well? Will be putting it up over existing painted lining paper so sealing first
I only use stix all these days as I find it sticks multiple products to multiple surfaces. It's never let me down since I started using it.
Same here, using it a few years now, very happy with it. Its flexible too so it moves a bit with oak but still holds
@@djoycec ha I buy in bulk now. It's that good for virtually any application
Stixall is my go to find it works in most situations have never had success with the grip fill
Bone dry walls and MDf skirting, a fixing ever 400 c where is it going to go
Really helpful, thanks, just about to install 100mtrs of primed pine torus. I now know what to go for.
Brilliant!!
Great video, if you know your fitting something in place for a long time ( and this was talking about skirting) use the tubes on the right of the line up. IF you think might need to take the skirting off at some stage gripfill green looks to be the option. This shows you don’t really need to run a bead the full length of the skirting a few lines of adhesive and caulk the gap at the top. That’s assuming the skirting is straight (not often if from B &Q)
Who The Hell Buys Timber or Skirting From B&Q. I Know That Not Even DIY Guys Buy Timber From That Place !!!! Total Amateurs !!!!!!
Many..Many years ago I remember the look a very experienced carpenter gave me when I mentioned adhesives..he was a dedicated drill plug screw fill man I told him about molecular bondind ..it went straight over his head.
Adhesives are great. I love a combined mechanical adhesive bond for shock resistance.
I've used Multistick even on my boat and it has worked well. Note that it is a Polymer adhesive so can be used to mount mirrors. If you use something like Gripfil it will bleed through the mirror finish.
Good test . I’m a decorator by trade but like to learn a bit from every trade if possible ( having been in the game for 30 + years). A plasterer I follow did a similar test recently with different pvas, bonding agents, blue grit and cement & pva mix etc . Very interesting
Nice comparison. It would have been good to also know their relative prices. FWIW, I found green Gripfill to be good, but being solvent based the fumes caused headaches, so I went to water-based versions. I've not seen the polymer ones before. They definitely look superior (as long as there are no fumes and the price is ok).
As a note ct1 is now being manufactured differently,
Ob1 is using the original formula that ct1 used to be made to
Hadn't realised that CT1 had changed will try OB1 , No nonsense X8 is what I've been using as price is good fir what it is and seems behave like CT1 but it doesn't come in beige which makes CT1 very useful if you're a decorator for wood to mortar discreet edge filling .
A use fix all and it’s spot on
Very informative video, many thanks Robin. Any suggestions on fixing timber mouldings to ceiling/wall? I have to find a way to fill 5 - 10mm gaps which dormice (cute but bloody noisy in middle of night!) are getting through in bedrooms and bathroom of old French farmhouse belonging to friends. Was hoping to take most materials with me from UK
Hi there. THANKS for your advice video.. I'm a DIY man do general work around the houses.. has helped me what to buy next time.. usually I buy unibond silicone and no nails.. but good to know other brands also..
Glad I could help
That EverBuild Multi Stick is actually solvent free! I have been using No Nonsense solvent free with 2nd fix nail gun for some moulding work but will try the multi stick. I hate working with solvent stuff like gripfill, hard to get off excess and clean off.
I use Pink Grip for general construction grab adhesive, Polymer sealant (CT1 etc) and Insta Stik Foam in equal parts on Aqua Panel installation on my bathroom refurbs. My thinking is best to use both as bibs and braces to reduce risk of grab failure as the panels can be going onot anything from new plaster to old tiles to rough plaster.
Great video comparison Robin! In your experience could you list which lower end priced adhesives set fully solid / hard, so that they can double as a wall / gap / crack filler? Thank you
Nice on the job test, perfect for testing wood and plasterboard, but you need to do the same test but sticking to a shiny surface like tiles, you will be supprised with the difference.
I use Soudal Hi-Tac now great stuff, it allows you to adjust without compromsing the adhesion
I agree, I need to bond plastic to smooth aluminium and both surfaces come under great tension. It took me ages to find one that can do the job, but hi tac came up trumps. Does need 24 hours to go fully off though.
Really helpful video 👍
Looks like they’re all from Toolstation, as Toolstation sell a lot of “Ever Build” products
Ever Build gear is good value!
I’ve been using stixal for at least 3 years sometimes on damp plaster fixing skirting etc I think it work well, you can buy a box from eBay that brings the cost down compared to CT1 which is vastly too expensive, The modern polymer is the way to go 👍 green gripfill is well out dated nowadays.
Would have been interesting to see how easy it was to clean the nozzle the next day. I used to pink grip to make PIR boards. And all the skirting. To stick the boards to uneven walls I wet the walls a little and use PU foam. It helps at go off a lot quicker.
The pink grip is very cheap, and I like the way it uses cardboard tubes, rather than creating more plastic waste.
Good point, but do the tubes have a silver papery coating inside, that may render the tube non-recyclable?
@@ianjonas7925 doesn’t really matter. Plastic doesn’t degrade, paper and metal do.
Stixall , ct1 and tec7 have been my brands for roofing to 2nd fixing
They are great products.
It used to be Sikaflex was the better choice but then we got these extra premium products in the UK.
Good review thanks
Useful video. Thanks
Bought me some stixall extreme cheers Robin. Incidentally it’s the only one I saw on the shelf that actually advertised it being a hybrid polymer, and even that was on the small print on the back of the tube. They should be shouting about it in big bold letters on the front of the tube as a plus point
Hmmmm update is I’m not terribly impressed with the stixall. Perhaps I had a bad batch.... I found that the follower at the base of the tube was too loose, left behind lots of product in the tube and ruined my gun got it covered in adhesive. Tube is pretty small too for the price. I’m trying Gripfill Extra now
nice one just wondering what was the price difference in the tubes
Mixed feelings about which product to use. A stronger bond would initially seem to be desirable, but then makes it more difficult to remove skirting at a later date without damaging the plasterboard. Ideally I'd prefer a product that bonds well enough, but not too strongly if that makes sense.
In that case the green tube “no nails” I believe is best. I’ve used it multiple times for the purpose you described and it works well
just use a bit less?
@@treehouse7861 If you know you will be removing the skirting at a later date, just use a couple of dots of hot glue and pin it in place. Or, as already mentioned, use 'insta scab' aka the Green Tube!
use a simple silicone and a few panel pins to hold it in place.
You want a product that requires you to destroy and rebuild everything in order to make even the tiniest change. Job security!
Thanks Robin 👌🏼🏴👍🏼
Used to use gripfill green and pink grip think it's changed over years
Multi stick is my favourite. It's relatively cheap compared to Stixall and a few others. Seems just as good though.
Excellent video thx
A lot of jobs I do the adhesive is supplied and it's always Gripfill. I mention that it's no good but next job, there's that green box again.
It's hard to get developers to change habits. I've been advised to use Stixall by a garage door fitter. He uses it to stick timber frames to steels.
Stixall is miles better than grip fill.
Nice informative video. Cheers RC
No surprises for me on that Gripfill Solvent Free, found it absolutely useless for that kind of job! Makes a reasonable caulk though....
Evo-Stik Sticks Like Sh!t is my favourite for anything like that, it’s very similar to that StixAll stuff, but I think it comes out the tube much smoother.
Interesting test though, thanks for the content, it’s always valuable 👍
Also, I bought a box of gripfill and it went off so fast by the time I came to use it it I couldnt get it out of the tube!
My go to for fixing is insta-stick gun grade foam it fixes as good as any of these adhesives and goes off in around ten minutes so if needs be you can wedge and then remove them before you leave the job for the day.