You WILL Be ANGRY! (Werewolf: the Apocalypse Lore)
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In this video we dig into the definitely real and authentic lore for Werewolf to celebrate the new quarter. What is an Auspice? What is a Tribe? You will definitely for real find out this lore today.
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00:00 Hello
01:45 Edition Wars
05:51 Werewolf Actual
07:29 Shapes of a Shifter
10:09 Homid
10:56 Lupus
11:45 Glabro
12:52 Hispo
13:56 Crinos
16:19 The First Change
20:05 Ahroun
20:54 Gaillard
21:48 Philodox
22:46 Ragabash
23:24 Theurge
24:23 Garou History
25:41 The Triat
30:45 Pentex
32:58 The War for Gaia
38:03 Harano/Hauglosk
43:25 The Tribes
55:49 Black Furies
58:58 Black Spiral Dancers
01:01:56 Bone Gnawers
01:04:56 Children of Gaia
01:08:10 Get of Fenris
01:11:31 Galestalkers
01:15:06 Ghost Council
01:18:34 Glass Walkers
01:21:49 Hart Wardens
01:25:10 Red Talons
01:28:54 Shadow Lords
01:32:40 Silent Striders
01:36:03 Silver Fangs
01:40:01 Stargazers
01:43:19 Wolf Magic
01:47:09 Spirits
01:55:47 Banes and Fomori
02:02:14 End - Zábava
I love the idea of the Garou not understanding how to tell a vampire is powerful. I'm envisioning some chilling at a bar knocking some back. A wolf is bragging about how he took out 4 "Elder" nosferatu that were really just turned the other night. Meanwhile there's a dude in the back corner with PTSD from when his whole pack got wiped out by some pretty boy still ranting about some place called Carthage.
_Ahem,_ "CARTHAGO DELENDA EST"
Oh yeah, that is pretty funny. A random pretty boy talking about how the werewolves whimpering when they die reminds him of purging Christians back in Rome or something of the sort because one of these werewolves thought he was a fresh one.
I'll also say, this goes both ways. Vampires, even elders, can vary WILDLY in combat strength. And some Werewolf gifts are straight up hard counters to abilities vampires have. It's entirely possible for two werewolves to fight two vampires of equal generation and have COMPLETELY different experiences because of the gifts and disciplines involved.
So, given that Crinos form does (iirc, it's been over a decade) aggravated damage, unless the vampire fought is REALLY good with Celerity and Fortitude, a Werewolf can step in and out of the Umbra to avoid getting smacked while ripping that vampire apart. Just because that vamp focused on Presence and Dominate (which can be hard-countered) instead of Celerity, they'd get ripped apart, regardless of generation or age. Meanwhile some no-name Brujah/Gangrel shovelhead who started with a few dots in Fortitude and Celerity can turn a werewolf into a basketball to play with.
@@lyravain6304 Only if the Wrewolf didn t focus on fighting ablitys .A fresh Get of Fenris Ahroun can absulutly fight to fresh Brujah ,if all invold focused their abilitys on fighting.
@@lordsolarmacharius9213 Exactly. And a Get of Fenris Ahroun can take on fairly old vampires and absolutely WRECK THEIR SHIZZ. But if it's a Ragabash... well... They're gonna have a 'bad time'.
It's all very much a game of rock-paper-scissors.
"They can't un-print previous editions" has such good vibes
feels good to know that no matter how they fuck up 5th edition me and mine will always have a real game to fall back on
The thing that scares me is that they can. One word and POD is removed for CofD and CWoD.
@@taddssucks92 And if they do, well. DO WHAT YOU WANT CUZ A PIRATE IS FREE! YOU ARE A PIRATE!!
Bruh, just mix and match best rules and play your own ideal WW game with mates.
@@diamondhamster4320 Exactly. Nobody from WW/Paradox can stop you from changing the lore, and taking whatever mechanics you want from Chronicles 1e/2e, or past WoD editions.
Chronicles literally even encourages this, and there are a LOT of people who play Mage the Ascension, but use either GURPS or Mage the Awakening for spellcasting mechanics.
Its your game, the only thing stopping you is your table saying no.
I love how ancient Werewolves decided to kill all other were-folk because anything they could do the Werewolves could do better and anything they couldn't do wasn't worth doing. Only for the All-Meathead-Berserker-Party to turn out to be a bad idea.
It's a big theme of the book, so many problems that modern Garou face could have been solved by the other changing breeds.
Low garou birth numbers? Werebison. You have werebears for healing and wereboars for purifying. If the changeling breed is had worked together the triarchy would still be in balance.
However all of that would have been admitting that they alone, could not serve Gaia, and for the old Garou would never have been humble enough to admit that.
Werewolf in a Nutshell: those that came before us fucked up, and now we got to do better, even though it may be too late.
@@Lazysupermutant Ah, werewolf. Such a not political fun roleplaying game whose themes absolutely aren't horrifyingly relevant today.
jewish people when they replace white europeans but then there are no shabbos left to protect them from muslims
@@Lazysupermutant I'd also like to add Mokole for actually NOT repeating big mistakes, Naga for "haha you dead", Bastet of "hey, humans actually like us and don't try to kill us on sight" and more.
Gurahl are by far my favorites. Who needs speed when you can grab an M1 Abrams and use it as a club.
Once ran a game where every player had to choose a different breed and each breed would get unique abilities antithetical to the traditional 'goal' of that breed. Our Garou was the healer, for instance. Most other Garou thought he was the 'war leader' only to find out he was just a very relaxed hippie that could soothe Gaia's pain. The Mokole chose being 'the warrior' and, lemme tell you, pissing off someone who can turn into a European-style dragon the size of the Empire State Building is... definitely an event. Half the time, the pack was trying to keep her from going "haha I am winged godzilla". The Gurahl of the pack was this ancient shaman that had spent so much time in so many different cultures he would literally recite historical events he was there for. Some of which he didn't actually cause. The entire thing was pretty fun and unhinged. Sadly, everyone moved away and we stopped D:
@@antonioscendrategattico2302 If you are bluepilled. Its literally Werewolf: The establishment
The ultimate April Fools joke, actual content.
😂
- Werewolf Lore Video from _TheBurgerkrieg_
- It's being released on April 1st
- The TITLE is "You WILL Be ANGRY!"
I'm... actually pretty sure this'll be a reverse april fool's prank; he's putting in so much effort to make it look like an EXTREMELY obvious april fool's joke, but that means that he can prank us by not pranking us and making a legitimate video.
Oh God he's pulling a reverse crossover chekovs gun-
If it happened with Freemans Mind 2 it can happen here.
The wisdom of Cassandra is only ever recognized after the fact...
You were right.
Truth, found from the perspective of hindsight.
It’s happening!!!! Hope we get a sponsorship from Pentex. Wait. It’s scheduled for April Fools day. I smell treachery.
Double uno reverse maybe?
Well, the video says that we Will be angry
He's messing with my emotions....😢
We?
@@jackcarterog001 it would be a hoot if he said the video was sponsored by the evil, in universe company, Pentex. “We” as fans would probably all get a chuckle.
"All the ducks will be pissed at you" An utterly terrifying sentiment
>finally get a werewolf video
>it's W5
MONKEY'S
PAWED
And so, the monkey’s finger curls.
Also it was on april 1st so…
W5 is good shush
@@wiggledixbubsy98No
@@wiggledixbubsy98 I wish
@@wiggledixbubsy98 Lieing is wrong, you should know this as a grown person
Hearing the mere idea that a single person, let alone a group, is mad for "adding" politics to Werewolf is the most They Put Politics in Rage Against The Machine thing I've ever heard, and I can't believe I have enough examples to make a Doofenschmirz nickle joke.
You have a nice political game.
You make a new version with the most fake, poser, cringe, obnoxious, ignorant political takes imaginable.
People wanted a nice dinner and you gave them shit.
It's sad. Werewolf was a good game. Progressivism was a good ideology.
Now it's a pile of shit, and most people couldn't care less. They never actually believed in anything from the start. It was just something to make them look good.
For you there's no difference between a political belief and the pretense of one. For some at least, that shit reeks.
I think it’s more “they put modern politics in poorly” that they’re actually upset by. Which is almost always the case
@@Abysalss They say that but they never actually explain the position, so nah. they just hate the kinds of politics that are in the game and not the quality.
@@LilFeralGangrel no, I’m one of those people, I know many of those people as close friends. I’m not gonna sit and have someone tell me that “no they’re just stupid or lying” good older media with a good nuance to their take that uses a fictional or factionalized world to tell stories allegorical or relateable to modern events are often clever. Shit where it’s just “look it’s modern politics in a way nearly indistinguishable from what you’ve been flooded with in real life” is very noticeably different. Please try and lie to my face further tho I always enjoy that treatment
@@Abysalss
Okay, I'll bite.
This statement is a lie.
great, now Burgerkrieg done did it, bringing Werewolves into my nice and innocent politics.
TRUEEE!! Dame them all, thous "werewolf justice warriors" invading my politic spaces!!!
Look in RL I hate lefty eco terrorists but that is what WWtA is all about! If you don't want to lean heavily into the fiction that Gaia is suffering and Pentex is evil then don't play this!
Can’t wait for this to be about Demon or Mummy
You leave my wife's name out of your mouth!
@@Grinnar I have to ask, demon or mummy?
She's not here to read it. Be honest.
@@jord839 why choose?
@@Grinnar
Demummony it is, the.
As someone who experienced the Portland protests in 2020, I have seen Hauglosk or Hirano overtake almost all of us over the years...
I mean.... Yeah.
Weird, what I read said that Vampires are touched by the Wyrm, and that's why most Garou have an urge to kill them on sight.
This don't happen without reason: to the "Sense the Wyrm" spell, a Vampire "looks" like it is of the Wyrm...
If the Vampire's Humanity is below 7.
@@Jamhael1 That and Garou mythos describes how Caine was turned into what he is directly as a result of the Weaver rendering him immortal and then the Wyrm corrupting him.
Vampires are considered to be touched by the Weaver and the Wyrm in WtA lore. The vampires physical body is of the Weaver due it being immortal and unchanging but the Beast is of the Wyrm due to its only drive being to consume and destroy, that's why the lower a vampires humanity is the stronger the Wyrm taint they give off to werewolves due to the stronger presence of the vampires Beast.
It makes sense: its a dead body. All your senses are telling you "this is unnatural", and something that is still "alive" after death and needs the blood of the living as sustenance SOUNDS WYRM AS FUCK, as it ties with the whole "corruption and destruction" theme that the Wyrm has.
If he genuinely puts out a 2 hour long werewolf tribe discussion video I'll genuinely be surprised
are you surprised
@@smivan.I think they're pretty surprised
@@smivan.
Defs surprised, fam.
Good to see a fan of Grimdark Halfoff here. Small world, ig.
I loved cockroach as my totem. My Glass Walkers still follow him.
"Non-playable" is just how advanced rules get described.
Edit: I though spirits could make bodies out of gnosis.
Cockroach forever ❤
Tats my totem!!!
Now that they follow spider, they are bound to the weaver. At least under cockroach they could keep themselves at some distance.
@@jackagonis9302 Which is why I love no one holding a gun to my head when I write my own lore or don't pick up changes.
It's coming out on April 1st...
This is gonna be a laugh riot.
I'm ready for my Demon the Fallen lore on April 1st
It could be a two hour video where he starts with: “werewolves suck. And here’s why….” 😂😂😂.
And I love this game!
I'm ready!
I am betting it's going to be 20 min, and will use UwU spech exclusively
@@hectorrodriguezgonzalez8938and thus was the greatest prank pulled
As far as your point about the tribes having regional variations, that was absolutely a thing in older editions. Camps were the most common term, but some were so isolated and/or different as to become basically sub-tribes. The Syberakh were one example.
As a Glass Walker, I point to the chinese Boli Zhoujizhe - the "followers" of Yü, the Engineer - or the adepts of Clashing Boom-Boom, the most badass Gun Priests in existence!
FALL BEFORE ME!
For the bit about them trying to scrub away real world cultures from the tribes: Yeah, its like they want to keep using Chronicles of Darkness, which frequently avoided this, but they just changed to the world of darkness cuz they wanted to bank nostalgia.
And that's why I'm not interested in W5 and worried about the M5, Wr5 and C5. If I wanted to play something CotD-like, I would get CotD!
To be fair, and this bit of nuance hasn't been mentioned by the point of the video I'm at...
...but White Wolf did actually do some -very- racist stuff with Werewolf originally. I don't mean 'represented the group well or with nuance' racist, but 'They literally named the group of inbred werewolves with physical deformities after an indigenous identity' racist, and that sort of error, compounding it with 'No this isn't actually racist it's actually something else and we're not being racists' to the people who were poinitng it out.
So yeah, Paradox really really really needed to distance themselves from that sort of thing.
@@DracoSuave I understand distancing themselves from (hopefully accidental) racisms they have done in the past, but to completely get rid of a bunch of parts of the franchise that were not racisms because of that isn't prudence and tolerance, its throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Fixing all the shit in Kindred of the East? Great idea! Getting rid of, for example, the Chakravanti, in spite of folks not having a problem with it? Why tho?
changing back to WoD was completely about selling the name, they clearly want to stick with the design direction of Cod.
@@DracoSuave Oh my god I completely forgot about Metis, that is literally just a specific ethnic group name...
Alright, i get it now. All werewolves dislike those who are actually effective at fighting their enemy because "we're actually the best ones and stop trying to say we're not"
Not exactly when Gaia created the changing breeds each of them had a purpose assigned to them, the Garou are Gaia warriors and they are REALLY good at that is not for nothing that many things in WoD fear werewolves and back them that was enough, but nowdays It isn't anymore, a pack of Garou can break into a factory and kill all the employees and destroy a lot of expensive machinery but the people in power can easily replace both and it won't undo the damage already done for that they would need healers and cleaners like the werebears and wereboars.
But the other Fera also won't be able to do all by themselves they would need the werewolves strength otherwise they would be slaughtered by Gaia's enemies the same way they were by the Garou, the optimal situation would be for all of Gaia's children to work together as it was intended
Back then warriors were all gaia needed.
They couldn't have predicted just how oppressive and dominant humanity actually was, they didn't think they'd need the others because they figured all they needed to do was fight and win.
Unfortunately for them when humans are formed into collective organizations said organizations become living entities in and of themselves which are far more powerful than the sum of their parts.
A garou can easily defeat thousands of men, that same garou can do absolutely nothing against the oppressive unrelenting entity that is human civilization.
They were expecting an enemy they could kill, you can't kill an organization, it's like an idea, every piece is replaceable, the CEO, management, the workers, every single member can be switched out in a day and your little incursion did nothing no matter how powerful you may be.
literally all the tribes are cringy furry commies , what a shit game.
@@PeachDragon_ exactly
How much yall wanna bet we're getting punked and its gonna be Werewolf: The Forsaken lore
Honestly still werewolf
Almost was.
"Werewolf is taglined as a game of savage horror, but to me it’s always been a game about hope against long odds. It’s about having a great destiny, no matter how weird or rejected or useless your character has ever believed they are. You’re a fucking hero and nobody can take that away from you. Werewolves are short-tempered, prideful, bull-headed, and forever at each other’s throats. You’re not what anyone ever hoped for, but your enemy is a ravening horror. The Wyrm will corrupt your soul and destroy all you’ve ever held dear if given the chance. Nobody else can deny it that chance. You’re the closest thing this poor mad world’s got to a guardian angel, so show your teeth."
-zitasaurusrex: Tumblr - why-i-love-werewolf-the-apocalypse
Unironically a very hopeful message, despite the gloom of it all
Holy damn it wasn't an April fools prank?
Why do I still feel like I got pranked?!
The prank was that you thought it would be a prank!
"Then what's the joke?"
@@wabbajack2 We all thought he was the deceiver, when in reality we deceived ourselves. (At least if you thought it was a prank)
I will cry if joke. I will cry and it will be on your head
I will also cry
Saaaame
It's not gonna be werewolf, it's gonna be some insanely obscure game or like first addition werewolf
First ed Werewolf rocks tho
Burgers gonna do a 2 hour video on Exalted
Honestly i’d prefer that over 5th
I will fail a Will test and rage if so. Q.Q
That cheeky magnificent bastard
It seems useful for adding in lore from past/alternative editions that the lore in World of Darkness often comes across as feeling like what's currently generally believed rather than feeling irrefutably canon. It's like the very core rulebooks for werewolf, vampire, and so on are unreliable narrators of their own worlds.
Pentex sounds like Blackrock.
*keeps listening*
Oh, it is Blackrock
Yes. But its also every other company. Interesting how any company today could be Pentex.
@@KairoStark Boeing just killed a whistleblower, like 2 weeks ago.
Blackrock is an investment management company. Its hands aren't clean but it's nowhere near as bad as BP or whatever. Managing $100 trillion of other people's money won't do as much harm as using $50 billion of your own money to extract and sell oil.
@@MrGameSecrets man, we really live in a world of darkness
@@comyuse9103 Careful, someone might accuse you of forcing "modern politics" into the game they started playing when they were 10 years old and too naive to realize it was always absolutely drenched in ham-fisted treatments of contemporary political issues.
FINALLY!!! Can´t believe it´s been TWO years since the original Clan video. And I hope he´ll start with "This video is brought to you by Pentex"
I 100% believe this either going to be a two minute little meme or, like, be a two hour long video about mummy or some other wod game no one rememebers
I once saw one of my dogs drink from a straw of her own accord, the Wyld works in mysterious ways.
I love this and I love the barest hint that there is a Werewolf: The Forsaken Script, because that means there's a chance you'll be covering CoD as well one day
THERE MUST COME A TIME IN YOUR LIFE WHERE YOU ASK THE QUESTION
WHEN WILL YOU RAGE?
Because of the date, I get the feeling that this will be like the 40K video, but maybe scheduling it ahead of time is the joke to make you think it will be a bit, and it actually will be a real video about Werewolf. Or maybe I’m just coping. Either way, I am excited!
I think it'll be about IRL werewolf lore.
@@theapexsurvivor9538 furry lore lol
Burger, you better not be hoodwinking us.
Crinos made me think of Bang energy and "super creatine."
And thus the image of a bodybuilder werewolf named WolfBang Amadeus.
I hate myself, but like this video.
i preferred original werewolf the apocalypse because the get of fenris weren’t nazis and combat was fun
me and my friends run a weekly wta game and it’s fun, we mapped out a whole family tree and are playing as garou siblings
our storyteller is a huge old world of darkness nerd and even did a vampire the masquerade one shot for christmas last year
good times
Even as someone who is loud and proud Fenris, I'd say that the Swords of Heimdall (the Fenrir who fell to the Wyrm by becoming nazis) was a good plot point as it forced the Get to confront the fact that yeah the whole supremacy bit will eventually bite you.
Also it gave the current day Get players even more reason to jugulate nazis and thats a good thing.
I left this on and playing in another room, when I came back I was greeted with “then the ducks will be pissed at you.”
Please let the joke be he actually does it, please let the joke be he actually does it, please let the joke be he actually does it.....
If he follows English rules of the day to post it after 12PM would make him the fool.
It depends on timezone as to when he's posting it, for example it'll be ~8:00am in Hawaii.
Ideally he'd go off German time, but it could be off of California time to mess with people.
@@theapexsurvivor9538
I got my wish!
I can understand a lot of the changes they made, and I can kind of understand the removal of kinfolk since it was a bit "inbreedy" that fera can only mate with kinfolk that already have fera blood, it was a bit odd. It still keeps some mysticism to it, and at least kind of opens up the options for "how you became a fera" even though functionally it's the same, before you could've just been a kinfolk that nobody really knew about if you didn't want to be tied to the society beforehand.
One thing I can't understand is the removal of Metis entirely? They seem like such a fun and nuanced thing to have. Adding a lot of specific prejudice and/or practicality to metis was such an interesting theme to me. They're both reviled and stigmatized because of their inherent flaws, some worse than others, and the superstition around a "perfect metis" that will bring about the apocalypse, yet at the same time they just so happen to be ideal for the current dire situaton - 100% chance instant warriors, ideal for bostering an army (when compared to the much more slip chances to have a regular fera born otherwise, especially for the garou).
Without them, it feels like something's missing. Maybe they've somehow replaced it, I am a complete newbie to WoD and WtA and have mostly been watching videos and reading up online. Players naturally LOVE playing underdogs (ha), characters that face prejudice and stigma because it's that much more satisfying to overcome it.
Amazing video premiere & such a dope insight to these worlds (especially from a noobs perview)! Big ups from NM
Damn, thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
They did the Fianna and the Get dirty. If any of the garou should have fallen to either the Wyrm or "Hauglosk", it should have been Red Talons
Or the Wendigo, its not like indigenous tribes wouldnt have reasons to be absolutely mad, or even the Black Furies, who were already full-on with the idea of "maybe decimating males is the way to go".
The Red Talons really fucking suck, their mentality was basically always tribe-sanctioned Hauglosk. They are the most obvious choice for a fallen tribe.
@@antonioscendrategattico2302if the story of Wyrmbaiter is anything to go off of, this is absolutely correct.
@@gs4011 Yeah, the fact that one of their greatest leaders' greatest achievement was getting duped by an obvious setup by the Black Spiral Dancers and wiping out an entire tribe at their behest should be obvious enough warning that the Talons' entire mentality just makes them a liability.
@@antonioscendrategattico2302 in fairness, I don't think wyrmbaiter was ever a leader, just a controversial garou that was the spark that ignited a Red Talon powderkeg.
In unnecessarily annoys me so much that in the Expanse books behind the Burger that some have the author name in the large font and some have the book title in the large font.
you and me both
Get of Fenris, one of the MOST LOYAL Garou Tribe going renegade isn't what I'd call a logical conclusion, its bad writing from people who and I quote writers themselves "Didn't know what to do with them". These guys are so Loyal to the Garou nation they kicked they're own asses when a certain sub faction who allied themselves with a certain reich tried to crop up.
Meanwhile the Red Talons the werewolf SUPREMACIST who flaunt the fact they break the Litany on a regular basis are still tolerated in Garou society cause...reasons.
Yeah either the Red Talons or the Windigo would been a much better choice for going rogue.
@@lordsolarmacharius9213 I'll admit I don't know much about 5E but I could see the Red Talons and Wendigo going Huglok en mass (to be fair they have ALLOT to be mad about.)
Its why I like that Foresaken straight up made the Red Talons into the Predator Kings, reaching the natural conclusion Apocalypse set up.
I'll add one more. The Get saw part of the Tribe literally fall to the Wyrm and instead of Hauglosk or Harano then and there they chose to from then on exterminate every single Nazi bastard they ever crossed with extreme prejudice. It's a story about acknowledging that part of your core ideals are fucked up and finding a way to go forward.
I think the writers just wanted to get rid of the Fenrir because nowadays players would feel iffy about them since nuance is absolutely gone.
This, @@KairoStark. A clan of unapologeticly masculine and unquestionably loyal Germanic/Nordic warriors is intolerable to the revisionists. They *must* be painted as evil.
This, @@KairoStark. A clan of unapologeticly masculine and unquestionably loyal Germanic/Nordic warriors is intolerable to the revisionists. They simply *must* be rewritten.
As to the Kinfolk change... I think that I'll interpret it this way: Perhaps the were-genes used to be rare, but now with the dramatic population growth, air travel, and genetic interchange of the last few hundred years, practically everyone is a "kinfolk" in the old sense. The gene has effectively permeated the entire population, or near enough that it *looks like* anyone can undergo the change, regardless of apparent lineage.
That was pretty much how it sat in Revised with unknowing Kinfolk all throughout pretty much every diverse population on the planet.
I always interpreted more like a spiritual factor that is inherit rater than a gene. Made more sense since werewolves are like, half matter half spirit beings. I'll interpret it as: with the death (or agony) of Gaia the umbra went into "dissarray" and the spirit factor now blooms in all the humans instead of a few "spiritual lineages". Or maybe a direct action of Gaia as a desperate atempt to create more werewolves to defeat the Wirm.
@@ricardoarancibia6611 Both can be true! I've been reading too much Mage lol
A computer virus that nukes the internet is something Griffin would approve of? Does that make Rache Bartmoss a Red Talon?
I like mixing old and new wod when it is fun. For example, some wood void engineers popping into the nwod wizarding world and being even more confused and hopeful for new exploration than normal
I like to use some of lore from new wod like how the true fae act in C:TL
The duck example, I'm kind of fucked, I used to help a small farm near me with the whole butchering birds process, wasn't on the killing bit, but was on the taking the innards and making them outtards and chopping off the bits that go in stew as opposed to just directly eaten for about four to five years, the ducks are pissed at me. Though, you know, might have made up for it by bringing food.
45:15
Okay the Ahrun editing joke may have been heavy handed but the super brief and super quiet addition of Man Who Sold the World right there while talking about “nations without territory” is maybe the best understated editing joke I’ve ever seen.
Also, Big Boss is a Philodox Bone Gnawer, change my mind.
Right after I wrap up the werewolf part of my multi-splat chronicle! The nerve sir, you devious wonderful bastard you.
43:19 Damn that hits hard.
"Are you confused yet?"
I wish I was.
Well done! Your WOD/ Shadowrun Content is second to none.
You sway around so much it feels like I'm being hypnotized.
I believe the real joke is gonna be him really realising the WtA vid :D
Considering its dropping on April's Fools and also how the video description is written we can expect a prank...unless it's only for first 5 minutss of the video and then Burger goes like "okey cunts, jokes over and I can't keep up like this for 2 hours so here's the actual lore y'all furries were waiting for" and HONESTLY I CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHICH IS GONNA BE THE CASE
So, having finally gotten the chance to watch the full vid, because I was at work during premiere and only got a few minutes. Thank you Burger for the grand work, glad it wasn't you jerking us around. Significantly appreciate your work and effort. Ya do another PLEASE let it be Demon.
Hunter is weird in 5th, also, how are the Red Talons playable and the Get not? Genocide is ok but Might makes Right is not?
Cause certain folks think genocide for a "good cause" is morally better than manly might makes right
@@pifilixxiv3192 oy vey
@@j.2512inshallah
If I ever played this, I think I would set the game during the early American Revolution. It just seems a much more interesting time period: you have the conflict between American and European 'wolves that just met each other, while they exist at the edge of a 3-way (or 4 or 5 ways sometimes) conflict between natives, America and European powers that they can interfere with, and it's also the birth of industrialization. It's an age of change, many pivotal points converging all at once, and endless different ways that 'wolves can approach them.
It just seems more interesting than the "the world is fucked sucks 2 b you" bleakness that WoD loves
So you want to play Werewolf the Wild West which is a canonical historical sething which you can play just like Victorian era for Vampires and Dark Ages for both Vampires and Werewolves
Werewolf 20th anniversary was actually my very first introduction to the wider World of Darkness, as Bloodlines was for Vtm.
First game I played, then ran, were with my friends who were, IRONICALLY, native American, and we loved the Garou, SPECIFICALLY because of how tied they were to the native ethnicities of their homelands.
Sure, yes, we homebrewed-up some stuff to bridge some gaps, but most of the depictions of the native American tribes, we just took tounge-and-cheek and had fun. (Plus outside of 2 sentence of acknowledgement from W20 Rage across the World, there's little if any Lore on the Minnesota area, excluding the Sabbat human tr*fficking ring from the Brujah novels that we clawed the crap out of - and before its mentioned, I have not read the recently published comic that discusses the Minneapolis Cammerilla)
We had so much fun that when we played in a Hunters Hunted II chronicle, we played Kinfolk characters, who were related to our W:tA characters, because again, it was extremely fun, and we had fun playing as Kinfolk, and we even got to explore more of the Umbra in Hunters Hunted II than we did in Werewolf, ironically.
5e Werewolf on the other hand was such an absolute slap to the face, that it's become an in-joke to gaslight anybody who talks about it into believing it doesn't exist.
Race-swapping the Fiennan tribe was a red flag the size of the moon, ESPECIALLY after the crap the Irish and the non-northern Celts had gone through historically. They thought they were being inclusive and inoffensive, but all they did was mess-up so badly, that a Brazilian tourist who HAPPENED to be visiting the Reservation that day, wasn't even English at all, got offended on my ethnic behalf to my bamboozlement (Part Welsh, part Scandinavian, part Polish).
Writing-out the native American tribes and pretending they didn't exist for 5e was a painful callback to the whole pipeline fiasco back in 2017 that people already forgot, despite being less than 8 years ago, and I don't really feel the need to explain the emotions on that.
Basically, 5e has the exact same problem Chronicles of Darkness had/has from under Onyx Path's writing, BUT AT LEAST CHRONICLES HAD INTERESTING IDEAS!!!!!!
So, no. There is no 5E World of Darkness, and anyone who believes there is, is clearly a victim of gaslighting from either an agent of Pentex, or a Technocracy NWO agent.
.... Anyways, yeah. Didn't mean to go on a rant, but in case of Tl:Dr, just because a new edition is out, it does not mean you should be forced to upgrade to it.
(Also, screw this culture war bullsh/t. LET MY PLAYERS PLAY THE TRIBES OF THE ETHNICITY THEY WERE BORN UNDER!)
Also, thank you BurgerKrieg for remaining as nuanced as you were/are. I actually found your channel thanks to the Charnel houses of Europe video, and it was a good introduction.
Back-to-track,
People play Pathfinder, which is essentially 3.5 D&D, so maybe this can be a similar forking path for World of Darkness.
As for what it should be called? I dunno. Call it "Free World Falls" or something. I ain't good at naming conventions.
^Bit of an edit here, I mean to explain about the Fienna being race-swapped to be more """"diverse"""" is extremely offensive, considering how hard a lot of the Welsh, Irish, and CornWall Celts fought against mountains of bullcrap from the Romans, Anglo-Saxons, then Viking raids, and then WW2. And race-swapping them, in my eyes is no different than portraying Jews as money-swindling bankers, or Romanians as thieves.
The 2nd half of the statement is directed not only against Paradox Entertainment, but against the whole zeitgeist in general.
Again, thanks to Burgerkrieg for putting it into words, that it's this bizarre, weird guilt-fetishization going on, and I'm happy I'm not alone in those emotions.
Just wanna say as a fellow Minnesotan appreciate the callout on how little we are presented in WOD. Despite the twin cities having more theaters than any city other than New York. As well as being a huge part of bootlegging during prohibition.
Also just a random aside, given I am of Polish and German descent I believe that means I'd be a shadow lord.
You joke, but given how much W5 tries to push conformity, individualism and defeatism within what used to be the last stand against the End of all that is, I might as well say you're right and its basically New World Order shenanigans or, better yet, Black Dog Games (in case anyone doesnt know, its a Pentex subsidiary that White Wolf created to mock themselves) achieving the final form where they realize that the best way to kill any opposition is by simply making them look politically incorrect so that well-intentioned people would see said oposition as "the evil".
Because it doesnt matter what you do, what matters is how you look while doing that.
Pathfinder exists because a team who was already working on things for 3.5 had to quickly break off of doing 3rd party work for wizards when they tried to kill off 3rd party stuff (the first time). they brought a lot of people with them because they picked the absolute perfect time (the last time they tried to kill third party content went as poorly as the recent attempt did) and already had experience (and probably a following).
if there was going to be a break away better world-like system it would have happened with vampire 5th edition.
and yeah, not including representation at all is far more offensive than heavy handed, or even failed, inclusion in a setting that warrants inclusion.
@Sarcastic_Sophist
MOOD KINDRED!!!!!
(Or actually, should I say, MOOD KINFOLK!!!!)
I like how every single SuperNatural in WoD StoryTeller System has some kind of a Amnesia system for Mortals if mortals see them or their super natural actions esp. in Chronicles.
I now imagine a gale stalker walking around with mouses in his pocker and just eating one whole once a day...
That's more a Forsaken thing since there the higher the werewolf primal urge attribute is the more restrict their diet becomes, so a primal urge 1 Werewolf can eat just like a normal human but a 4 or 5 needs to eat raw meat
I love that you arent only explaining the good driving forces but also the common negatives of the parts as well. Helps with figuring out where a character might slot into the parts of creation.
I love when you list potential characters for those clans and such! Just the sheer diversity of origins!
And holy shit the possessed descriptions!!
Well, time to see how Gaia's most incompetent children are fairing. Still self-righteously howling at everyone else for the problems they caused, I bet.
Well... They sure do.
Man I'd love a video about the other shifters such as the spidershifters.
Added another comment so as to hopefully help the algorithm be upon the Burger’s side, I have an idea:
BurgerKrieg will one day run outta WoD topics, even if he covers the CofD-specific game lines. Obviously, he’s not a WoD-exclusive channel, but sometimes you need some grit to help express political commentary like he’s done before. Thusly, videos on
Zombie the Coil
Leviathan the Tempest
Janus the Persona
Siren the Drowning
Pathogen the Infection
Outsider the Calling
Atlantean the Longing
Princess the Hopeful
Genius the Transgression
Psychic the Gifted
Dragon the Rekindling
….would all open up fun conversations for various spheres of conversation, from those intended by the games and their lore, to circumstantial things related directly and indirectly.
The extalted to talk about religion?
@@marocat4749 Yessir!! I’m very unfamiliar with The Exalted, Trinity or Scion, hence my lack of reference. I’ve looked into the fan-games more since they enhance the mainline nicely, although I’m sure a video on Exalted from the BurgerKrieg will fix that good and proper
My grandmother gave me a dreamcatcher she made when we moved to the USA because it was what the local natives used. It now hangs from my car mirror and I'll never understand how everyone here could find a political argument in a grain of sand.
Yeah,aslong as its not used to mock tribes, why would it be bad?
I just found a pink heart-shaped dreamcatcher and gifted it to my girlfriend. She was happy, and if anyone has issues with that they can save it because she was happy with it.
Thank you so much for all the time and effort you put into this video! I loved it, I was originally pretty down on this new edition but you actually did a pretty good job of selling it to me and showing that there is a place for the old stuff as well in it. I’m quite excited to give it a try now!
2 hours of him barking maybe?
The fact that it being April 1st can mean either it’s a joke or for real makes this anticipation even better
I'm a long time Uktena player. I've played so many of them. The loss of my tribe hurts. I will have to try to play Ghost Council.
From what Burger has said here, Uktena aren't gone. It's just that as a whole the Uktena were only a small part of a bigger Tribe, that Tribe being the Ghost Council. In fact Burger even says that the Uktena were known as the Ghost Council, and Uktena are just one of the camps or cultures within that Tribe.
If anything I would see the Ghost Council as an expansion of the Uktena and where they come from, not a replacement.
Love all your vids! So happy to see this finally came
love you ranting about lore my dude
I don't understand how Gaia can be dead when we and other things still live on Her
@@PrimarchLorgar Exactly. Even more reason why she can't be dead. Do you really think she would go quietly? Naw man, if Gaia was dead, we would all be dead.
@@billiemacdonald8436 dead or worse, the Wyrm doesnt want to just kill us, it feeds in our suffering. Remember that while the Wyrm of Balance was about entropy and ending things before they stagnate and corrupt, the Triatic Wyrm is about corruption and eternal damnation.
Gaia has fallen, its over. Werwolvecels stay loosing
@@j.2512 ohhhhh I see, you have no idea what you're saying. Makes a lot of sense now. Thanks for clarifying that for everyone
glad to see you cover more of the world of darkness,
your videos are a grea tway for me to get into the lore,
hope to see a video on the other shapeshifter next
honestly the reason why people who love the past werewolf game think this one stuck and done dirty is because they trying to make it more like vampire. they could have made a post apocalypse thing and some of this made make sense. or if they really wanted to rewrite dont throw away the lore say we learn and are try to fix our mistake or when all hope fall make time-travel a thing or go to outer space there a book for it. or combine forsake with apocalypse to chage thing up and they realize of were the warriors their the hunters we are like cousins whith different jobs let work together. anything that isn't 5 edition
The fabled double switcheroo, well played BK.
Finally I've been asking for this since the mage video
I’d bet hard cash it’s going to be an April Fools Day prank.
53:08 Interesting example here I think it’s the Red Cross. They are the Red Cross in reference to the Swiss flag. In some parts of the world, the Red Cross, however, is the red Crescent, even though the existence of a cross as a symbol is not a Christian statement by the Red Cross (although ultimately that is the origin of the Swiss cross)
Muslime areprettybig and whynot, as long its easy recognizable
@@marocat4749 is more about his the symbol changed, even if the logic and symbolism don’t really make sense. Symbols change and get handed off and reused.
In other parts, particularly in Asian countries where neither christianity or Islam are common, its known as the red crystal, and uses a diamond shape as its logo. Btw the reason for he red crescent and crystal existing is due to a string of war crimes where red cross workers were massacred by various militants or government forces for being "Christian sybolism" (I do also remember an incident occurring in India where red crescent workers were attacked for being muslim symbolism).
I would enjoy to see Mummy next. ^^
Glabro form. The Lon cheney Jr form.
Nice vid to round out more of the WOD lore!
Oh shit boys he did it.
Dude you put into words the exact way I feel about the political issues in the game. Excellent work
I’ve always liked werewolves over vampires part of it would be the transformation aspect being able to turn into a beast of destruction and fury. Another would be depictions vampires are usually some sort of stand in for aristocracy and nobles leaching quite literally from their subjects while werewolves could be a run of a mill person trying to contend with a inner monster representing any sort of vice or anger issues which are overall more sympathetic to me.
Then as heroes once again it’s made more sense to me that a werewolf would be more likely to be a hero than a vampire with werewolves the idea that you could tame the beast and learn to control your darker side and harness it to defend others is a very engaging narrative meanwhile vampires require blood often from living beings sure they can subsist on animal blood in most versions but in most of those it’s often depicted as being weaker and less nourishing they have to harm humans to survive in a lot of cases.
And before you say I’m a furry no I’m not.
Liking it so far. My only small quibble is that the White Howlers were Pictish going back at least the first edition Book of the Wyrm. Definitely since Chronicle of the Black Labyrinth.
Thanks for the Video!
Hey thanks for this ive been wanting to catch up for years and this certainly did the job ❤️
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You earned it.
This is so satisfying, he played all the characters, and made the stakes on all sides reasonable. Dynamic and well plotted.
Saves me all the trouble of buying mntDew and actually attending or awkwardly introducing myself to a plump and talented improv troop.
My thanks 🙏
Came here after playing Werewolf Apocalypse: Earthblood and now I'm introduced to a whole franchise I never knew existed
There was a raiding guild on when I first started playing WoW called "Get of Fenris" and until today I thought it was just a cool name they made up.
Just discovered the vampire video yesterday, checked the channel to see if he'd done one on the Werewolves. Great timing 😆
Oh god, he's gonna be fuckin pranking us, HE LITERALLY TITLED IT, "YOU WILL BE ANGRY," ooough. This better be a good joke, Borgerwar
When I tell you I screamed with joy! Good stuff
I find it very funny that every video I've seen talking about WtA with live action they are wearing a leather jacket
I feel this is understated but good job taking a step up in editing the video. You have come far from your other WoD videos.
The Krieg delivers. 🫡
Oh man. This is my first exposure to 5e Werewolf and I absolutely hate it x3
Sticking with Revised and 20th Anniversary Edition for Werewolf after seeing this
Based, I heard some things about it and decided to absolutely never touch that garbage. W20 for the win and I'm still writing my campaign.
god, i dread the banality that could be Changeling 5th edition
western medie from the last 10 years all belongs in the trash can
Boy I can't wait for Demon the Fallen (My favorite and first WoD books I got)
Babe wake up Burgerkreig posted a new video