Model 3 To Nordkapp! Part 2 Of The Epic Nordic Electric Road Trip

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  • @KyleConner
    @KyleConner Před rokem +74

    Tromsø to Nordkapp and back to Oslo! The long final part of the trip. Decided to not make it 3 parts and release the full video for you now. Enjoy! Sorry about me being sick and having no voice this video (it was so frustrating!) 😅

    • @Idbuzzpro
      @Idbuzzpro Před rokem +9

      Just send me a msg when you are in norway if you cant activate Chargers. I can just start them in my app for different chargers.

    • @digilux4017
      @digilux4017 Před rokem +4

      Tromsø, My birth town. Waiting on TYLR delivery March/April. Like your videos

    • @felixklusener5530
      @felixklusener5530 Před rokem +5

      I enjoyed every single second of your video. Thank you!
      I was up there from Germany about two weeks later with my 60 kWh LFP Model 3 and have to say that the area between Narvik and Alta has the best views and the most beautiful nature I have ever seen. I even spotted Orcas close to Skibotn (where you charged the first time after leaving Tromsø). They were hunting atlantic herrings in the fjords around Skibotn and were just about 100 meters from the shore.
      On the way back I went trough Finland and Sweden too and used the same Recharge station you did.
      After watching your video I just want to book the next ferry and get back to Norway. I just want to be there watching the beautiful nature while eating some tasty reindeer and bring some memories and some more reindeer meat home, which I did when I was there in november/december (about 7 lbs for Christmas dinner kept frozen in the frunk).

    • @ulfw
      @ulfw Před rokem +4

      You did great Kyle. Glad you're feeling better now!

    • @SamuraiTacos1
      @SamuraiTacos1 Před rokem +1

      ik the feeling being sick sucks

  • @brandonpreston84
    @brandonpreston84 Před rokem +41

    These long videos is what got me interested in EV videos. Haven't seen one like this is awhile. It is inspiring me to take road trips like this.

  • @erolcoulson8982
    @erolcoulson8982 Před 11 měsíci +2

    Love the way Allissa says architecture, cute ....

  • @freundron
    @freundron Před rokem +5

    Kyle: at 1:27:40'ish you mention that you have to "BYOC" (bring your own cable). In Europe for the Type 2 public charging this is standard. It allows the charging locations to look much neater and clean compared to the US approach with our dangling cables, which are of course, susceptible to vandalism. Plus they collect leaves and dirt as the coiled cables lie on the ground.
    With this approach, you always have your own cable, so the probability of encountering damaged ones or having your charge port damaged due to a worn-out or injured plug goes to zero.
    Too bad the SAE didn't consider that approach for the J-1772's we have in the US. I carry a 25 ft. J-1772 extension cord, which would allow me to stretch the connection away from a blocked (ICE'd) slot and still get a charge. (Admittedly I can't say I've ever used it except sometimes at home.)😏

  • @marconrustNL
    @marconrustNL Před rokem +11

    @3:09 It's actually a shore power supply for vessels so they don't have to run their (fossil) generators while docked. Anyway, great video again. Makes me remember my Nordkapp trip back in winter of 2016 all the way from The Netherlands (with a fossil Volvo; now an M3LR)

  • @stianstrand8851
    @stianstrand8851 Před rokem +3

    First time I've seen my apartment building on a CZcams video, watching from Alta 😁

  • @Timo-qb1gf
    @Timo-qb1gf Před rokem +4

    Carrying your own cable gives you more freedom with the parking. Many people carry a short one for 90% of the cases and a long one for the 10% of times when some idiot is blocking the charging spot.

  • @Joshude
    @Joshude Před rokem +6

    I'm from Germany and my parents have a cabin few miles outside of Sveg, cool to see you charging there. Never been there with my Model 3, will do that this summer! Great video as always!

  • @raba1der
    @raba1der Před rokem +4

    Very fun to see. I used to live in Sveg a long time ago, funny seeing it again. Those drunken late night hot dogs with Shrimp Salad at Circle-K (Then Statoil) on my way home after partying with way too much to drink is still imprinted on my mind. Crazy times.

  • @gridjac
    @gridjac Před rokem +12

    These were the videos that got me following the Out of Spec family of channels. Love the road trips. This one was epic.. I lived in Alaska for a while and the scenery in Norway reminds me of it. Especially the walking and driving on sheets of ice! 🙂
    Hope you guys keeps making the road trip videos, you really have shown me what’s possible with an EV. Don’t get me wrong, snow slaloms and the Twizzy are fun too, but these videos are the best. 👍

  • @AtlasAir767CA
    @AtlasAir767CA Před rokem +18

    I Love these roadtrip videos! Can't wait to visit Norway one day.

  • @loupoulain8103
    @loupoulain8103 Před 12 dny

    This is my absolute favorite road trip video from Out of Spec. Beautifully shot and edited. I wanna go there!

  • @sjokomelk
    @sjokomelk Před rokem +1

    Late comment about the Type2 cables - Different car have different charge ports. Leaf and older cars have the Type1/J1772 plug. New cars have Type2. Tesla Roadster has the Tesla Roadster plug. By providing your own cable the charging station works with all kinds of vehicles. And you don't have any maintenance issues with worn or damaged cables and plugs.

  • @JanHenrik541
    @JanHenrik541 Před rokem +3

    What’s interesting is that most of the charging spots east/north of Tromsø is around three years old or newer, and now you can do a round trip like this in an EV so effortlessly. 😊

  • @timoliver8940
    @timoliver8940 Před rokem +2

    I found a work around for foreigners trying to set up a charging account in Norway last year was to use the address of the first hotel we stayed at to set it up - no problems then creating an account via various apps.

  • @heliosAJ
    @heliosAJ Před rokem

    Big shout out for making this while being sick

  • @ichigo19870
    @ichigo19870 Před rokem +2

    How sick you wanna sound?
    Kyle: YES!!!

  • @zmarko
    @zmarko Před rokem +2

    Seeing the Aurora is a bucket list thing for me. That's so awesome you got to see it! Stunning!

  • @Gh0stHack3r.
    @Gh0stHack3r. Před rokem +4

    Glad you enjoyed Norway, come back soon...

    • @KyleConner
      @KyleConner Před rokem +2

      My favorite country!

    • @m1geo
      @m1geo Před rokem

      ​@@KyleConner come and do some trips in the Scottish Highlands in the summer! 👌

  • @tomhoots
    @tomhoots Před rokem +2

    Two hours (well, almost) of Out of Spec Motoring goodness. And many good comments here to explain some of the interesting things found along the way. Great fun!

  • @lastrebel6174
    @lastrebel6174 Před rokem +2

    55:18 Just to make one thing clear tho. We are propably one of the most reserved people in the whole world so hopefully the vibes weren't too bad so you might come back to Finland some other time too! (explore the lapland and santa's village for example) there's plenty of reindeers for you to highjack back to home! Love the videos, keep them coming.

  • @Idbuzzpro
    @Idbuzzpro Před rokem +1

    I have been waiting for next part of this trip . 👍

  • @graham2890
    @graham2890 Před rokem +3

    Such a gorgeous area. Can't wait to visit Norway!

  • @PierreSimonsson
    @PierreSimonsson Před rokem +5

    6:42 9.30 people alreaddy at there work place when do you start your wokday in the US :)

  • @thenetworkarchitectchannel

    Interesting and beautiful road trip. Thx for taking us along.

  • @KarlWilcoxVideos
    @KarlWilcoxVideos Před rokem +3

    Love these videos! The northern lights look amazing id love to see them in Norway as Iceland was amazing

  • @Crunch_dGH
    @Crunch_dGH Před rokem

    You two are the best! Learned a lot. Thx

  • @Json918
    @Json918 Před rokem +2

    Always here for Tesla content

  • @HelloSwiftful
    @HelloSwiftful Před rokem +1

    This was a great trip in the Nordic countries. I enjoyed watching every minute of it!

  • @kqschwarz
    @kqschwarz Před rokem +2

    What an EPIC trip. Love these videos. So glad you were feeling better by the end of the trip, I was worried about you.

  • @sylvainjamais904
    @sylvainjamais904 Před rokem

    Some epic scenery, thanks for sharing

  • @deasunodonnachadha6408

    Awesome scenery. Crazy ice roads.

  • @john3Lee
    @john3Lee Před rokem

    Thumbs up from me - I really enjoyed this video.... Road trips are always full of adventures........ Thanks

  • @MoyzonRecords
    @MoyzonRecords Před rokem

    2 hour vlog is something Premium here :D Thanks for your effort and time to film and edit this video, Appreciate it bro! Love your videos. Keep it up!

  • @ivb815
    @ivb815 Před 2 měsíci

    I love the northern artic lights!

  • @Timo-qb1gf
    @Timo-qb1gf Před rokem +4

    The small grey individual 16A charging poles are a thing in the nordics since forever. They're not only for block heaters but also electric cabin heaters. Usually they also have a built in manual timer for a e.g. 4hr cycle.

    • @reggievonramstein
      @reggievonramstein Před rokem

      Does that mean you can’t leave the car plugged in for more than 4h? Isn’t that car going to freeze overnight?

    • @Timo-qb1gf
      @Timo-qb1gf Před rokem +2

      @@reggievonramstein no you just set it up so that it goes on about 4hr before your departure time. Running them 24h would be just waste of energy. With EVs obviously a different story and you might not use any timer.

    • @reggievonramstein
      @reggievonramstein Před rokem

      @@Timo-qb1gf Oh, I see. I thought you kept the car plugged in the whole night.
      Thanks.

    • @esaedvik
      @esaedvik Před rokem

      @@reggievonramstein You do, it just has a timer for few hours before departure.

  • @clementmussotte6384
    @clementmussotte6384 Před rokem

    Amazing video - you guys never disappoint

  • @dmiller9786
    @dmiller9786 Před rokem +3

    Last week: "Cold soaked cars take hours to charge! This Week: "Its better to charge in the morning to warm the car"

  • @paulstewart1626
    @paulstewart1626 Před rokem

    A nice wintery drive. Great place to drive in winter. A very nice video. Was nice to hear Alyssa as she gets out from behind the camera.

  • @Niranga
    @Niranga Před rokem

    Great video. Shows how simple road tripping a Tesla even at sub zero temperatures.

  • @Riverrain123
    @Riverrain123 Před rokem +1

    Great video! :D

  • @rolandsoderlund1948
    @rolandsoderlund1948 Před rokem +1

    Regarding outlets for block heating. In new installations, like the one you had in Umeå, they are temperature dependent. They do not have power on all the time, you plug in you car and set your departure time. The outlet then starts at different time depending on the surrounding temperature. So. say at around 0 C the will only deliver power for 30 minutes, but when you have -20 C you will have power 3 hours before your departure.

  • @danimper2517
    @danimper2517 Před 8 měsíci

    The drifts! 🔥❄☃🏂🏔⛄☃

  • @heinzruffieux5817
    @heinzruffieux5817 Před rokem

    Made the same trip 3 years ago out of Switzerland with my Model S with a total of 7000km and no Superchargers after Sweden. Pello only had the 50kW charger, no Supercharger at Skaidi. But we made it anyway! Well done and VERY nice pictures.

  • @erocksplinter4934
    @erocksplinter4934 Před rokem +1

    man this is one of the most useful model y videos i have seen. my 2023 MYP should be here in the next 2-3 weeks so i am trying to get everything set up, and tint is an absolute must in arkansas. thanks!

    • @gbw28
      @gbw28 Před rokem

      They are in a Model 3 not a Y 😊. Enjoy your new car when it arrives!

  • @PierreSimonsson
    @PierreSimonsson Před rokem +2

    pluging in upp till 10 degrees Celsius is You stillheat upp the engine block and you save Much Fuel and Co2 1:24:14

  • @braaten1973
    @braaten1973 Před rokem

    love your road trip videos

  • @jan-erikeriksson1747
    @jan-erikeriksson1747 Před rokem +1

    Thanks for a long and wonderful video.
    I also recommend the restaurant in Töre, and if they also get IONITY chargers in Töre then it will be a perfect place for all electric cars that drive up to the northernmost part of Sweden, Norway or Finland.

  • @fire_stick
    @fire_stick Před rokem

    Great video thanks both 👍

  • @GeoPoi86
    @GeoPoi86 Před rokem

    1:13:34 "Sometimes a little bit of force didn't hurt anyone " i almost spilled my drink 🤣😂

  • @corysladams
    @corysladams Před rokem

    Love the incorporation of Scandinavian DJ vibes during the driving scenes

  • @mikoske
    @mikoske Před 10 měsíci

    The Pello DC unit is 50kW, checked online. Just visited Norway this summer and cool to see familiar roads and places on this video.

  • @TheAlliput
    @TheAlliput Před rokem +1

    I almost feel a little bit sorry for you guys, that you are always in such a rush. This is some of the most beautiful places on earth. Eating from gas stations and powering through the dark woulnt be it for me. But it would take me about three weeks to do a trip loke this in my own pace
    Anyways, looks like you were super lucky that you drove up there during one of the most dry winters ever. There would have been a chance that you couldnt have made it to the north cape otherwise
    Anyways great video. I always love seeing these roadtrips

  • @rychu1978
    @rychu1978 Před rokem

    I love watching your videos.

  • @m1geo
    @m1geo Před rokem +1

    The main reason for carrying your own cable is that it (a) makes the charger cheaper to make, (b) isn't vandalised or smashed, (c) is your responsibility to maintain. Plus, as you say, looks rider.

  • @geirmyrvagnes8718
    @geirmyrvagnes8718 Před rokem +6

    The parking structure in Tromsø is also a bomb shelter in case of war. You don't need blast doors that are always open to park cars. If you are rolling in from... the east... this is around the area you would encounter difficult mountainous terrain. A fact that is no fun at all, these days.

    • @KyleConner
      @KyleConner Před rokem +1

      Very interesting! Thanks for sharing.

    • @GonzoHutt
      @GonzoHutt Před rokem +2

      Bomb shelter that back in the 70s and 80s at the height of the cold war had to always be in readiness state. No parking then! All public buildings were required to have these. After the wall fell, regulations loosened up, and these shelters were repurposed for other things such as parking. In schools they usually became storage space.

  • @eragonma9058
    @eragonma9058 Před rokem +4

    damn ive been waiting for this

  • @Jeddin
    @Jeddin Před rokem +1

    The white bands in the sky are the aurora as it’s stating to come out. Sometimes they will just appear white but if you adjust your camera settings you will pick up more color on the camera

  • @crooncroon5314
    @crooncroon5314 Před rokem

    Still looking forward to Rivian Twizzy road trip video and please post more often on this channel and don't forget fans of the channel. I think I speak for everyone when I say this.

  • @DJJS7
    @DJJS7 Před rokem +2

    The view was amazing 😋

  • @WheresTex
    @WheresTex Před rokem +1

    Loved the video! (both parts). Absolutely the best part of this one was at 1:48:44 - I laughed out loud. 😂

  • @darrenorange2982
    @darrenorange2982 Před rokem

    Dude I am so sad for you being sick for this whole trip. I feel you've been there. But your voice is comedic gold and I'm sorry it's funny and sad.

  • @Henning_Rech
    @Henning_Rech Před 6 měsíci

    1:27:40 it's not just about theft, but also about cable length. People can use 5 or even 7 m long cables for type 2 to be more flexible with parking. And if the charging outlet itself would have a fixed 5 m long cable it could easily lay around when not in use, become damaged, people may stumble over it. - And theft: a thief may prefer to cut the cable from an unused station with no voltage on, than while it is used.

  • @ronnie5966
    @ronnie5966 Před rokem +2

    Video shows arriving at Supercharger in Ånge and then we are att Sundsvall 😀 Then leaving Sundsvall and video shows leaving Ånge 😀Mixed up Ånge and Sundsvall Supercharger.

  • @kepter9990
    @kepter9990 Před rokem +1

    Speeding tickets in Finland are based on your salary. Most expensive ticket was fined to a Businessman in Helsinki who did 80km/h in a 40km/h zone and was fined for 170 000 euros(182 000 dollars). So they hurt you equally bad no matter your social status.

  • @hawk6dm7
    @hawk6dm7 Před rokem

    Love the videos. I would like to see you do a hyper-miling video once. Just for the heck of it. See just how much you can extend the range. Take whatever EV you have available that has the longest range and hyper-mile it.

  • @ampedampson5140
    @ampedampson5140 Před rokem +1

    My wife loves her Q4 e-tron!

  • @trinitonv8
    @trinitonv8 Před rokem

    Nice video.28 brand new stalls at Elverum.Tesla SC FTW.

  • @itsmmt
    @itsmmt Před rokem +2

    Kyle, definitely wondering while watching this video what there is no mention of the “flashing” tire pressure warning while driving in very cold temps. Clearly this negatively impacts range. What am I missing? Excellent video otherwise. So appreciate the hard work. Thanks to you both.

  • @esaedvik
    @esaedvik Před rokem

    Warming up the block improves MPG and lowers pollution by a lot. I've never seen anyone plug in outside the home myself. At a hotel, maybe? Never done it myself, barely do it at home, I drive so little.

  • @kruemelfelix
    @kruemelfelix Před rokem +3

    The 3 post cabinets are actually imo better than 4 post ones if you only have a single cabinet.
    The cabinet can supply around 300kW or 550kW max (depends on the cabinet type), which means if 4 cars would be charging there you would have the same issue as on V2 chargers. The magic behind V3 is just that the cabinets can share power between each other compared to V2. But this won't work with a single cabinet :P
    In the German Tesla Forum there was a great test from two years ago on the Nüburgring Supercharger. It's a V3 with 4posts. One car gets 250kW, two cars will each get 150kW, 3cars around 100kW and 4cars 75kW. It's a 300kW cabinet and it the end it also would be suitable for only 3 stalls, 4 aren't faster.

    • @k34561
      @k34561 Před rokem

      I have photographed a name plate on a US V3 cabinet.
      There is a 3 phase AC input. It can be attached attached to 380-480V 3 phase up to 430 Amps. On 480V 3 Phase (Common in US) this gives 357kW power. On 400V 3 Phase this gives 297kW power.
      There is also a 575kW DC Input/Output at 880-1000V 640 Amps. My guess is this is mostly used for sharing power between cabinets. It could also be used to hook up to batteries like a Megapack.
      Therefore these cabinets can handle 932kW = 357kW + 575kW.
      On a single cabinet 480V 3 Phase site. 4 cars at 90kW, 3 cars at 120kW, 2 cars at 180kW, 1 car at 250kW.
      On a 3 cabinet 480V site 12 stall site, there is 1080kW shared between the cars. So 4 cars will get 250kW unless all 4 cars are hooked to one cabinet.
      That does mean a fully loaded site will get slow. I experienced that at the Michigan City, IN site when it was 8 stall.

  • @RoamingNorway
    @RoamingNorway Před rokem

    Fantastic road trip. Very unfortuate that you were sick for this trip.

  • @e-trippingwithadamgebbett8024

    Norway Rocks.

  • @mfurmyr
    @mfurmyr Před rokem +1

    Fish oil, Møllers tran, is the Norwegian version on Popeys spinnage. You will be strong. Either you love it or you hate it. Tromsø is the Nordic Paris. A vibrant cosmopolite city. Trolls live in the forrest and mountains and the first Norwegian car was called Troll. The video shows how boring it is to drive through Sweden.

  • @jaken005
    @jaken005 Před rokem

    You should have used the 16 stall v3 charger in Sundsvall instead of the old v2 station to save a couple of seconds, but the old v2 works fine as well. Btw that OKQ8 charger is manefactured by Delta, SK (Skellefteåkraft) is a power company that works together with OKQ8 to build out their EV charging network. OKQ8 is one of the largest petrol station brands in Sweden and are building hundreds of fast chargers at their station the comming years, just as Cirkle K, their largest competitor.

  • @RuneVenes
    @RuneVenes Před rokem +1

    6:42 at 9.30 in the morning they are already at work!

  • @automatix5
    @automatix5 Před rokem +2

    1:36:43 You need the CCS adapter to charge a Model S/X on a V3 Supercharger. If you don't have the retrofit, the V3 locations aren't visible in the navigation.

    • @m1geo
      @m1geo Před rokem

      I had the CCS upgrade on my 2018 Model S. Best upgrade I did! 😁 Can use all the CCS chargers! 😁

  • @cisco6926
    @cisco6926 Před rokem

    Watching this video from my warm bed on Maui, I want to feel the cold of Norway!!

  • @KennethLarsen100
    @KennethLarsen100 Před rokem +1

    I live in the Mountain in norway with a lot of snow. It’s not that normal to have studded tires as you think. I haven’t had that for 10 years. And I am driving 60 000 k a year. But like your channel 😊

  • @adamcnessesq
    @adamcnessesq Před rokem

    Proper Norwegian charging. I approve. 👍🏻👍🏻

  • @BaddoggMS
    @BaddoggMS Před rokem

    Leavenworth, WA has a reindeer farm. You get educated about reindeer and get to feed them.

  • @valandil86
    @valandil86 Před rokem

    There is no site limitation in Skaidi. I live pretty close to that charger. You probably just didn't preheat before trying to charge there.
    I normally get up to 252kw in my model 3 lr there.

  • @RuneVenes
    @RuneVenes Před rokem +1

    Speeding fines is pretty expensive in Norway aswell!

  • @derrick1964
    @derrick1964 Před rokem

    45:15 That parking job is all good unless you take out a couple of stalls 😂

  • @huzygaming7216
    @huzygaming7216 Před rokem

    Must be an editing error after Skellefteå supercharher... because after that you are charging in Töre(300km~ north)... and then back to Skellefteå... and then Umeå.
    Just something I noticed, fun video! Done the same trip in 2019 with my M3P during summer.

  • @haroldwalma255
    @haroldwalma255 Před rokem

    @Out of Spec Motoring raindeer are called caribou in North America.

  • @derrick1964
    @derrick1964 Před rokem +4

    Dang I’m obsessed with your road-trips. Should I get professional help? 😂

  • @tomingejosefsen
    @tomingejosefsen Před rokem +3

    Kautokeino is not an touristtown, its an samitown with alot of reindeerowners and herders. The reason you dont see reindeer at the coast in the winter in Northern Norway is that they are moved inland, like to the area around Kautokeino.

  • @timovneerden
    @timovneerden Před rokem

    That face in front of the fish-oil… Epic. He’s more afraid of that than getting 0 % in a Tesla :D

  • @erolcoulson9194
    @erolcoulson9194 Před 11 měsíci

    Norway is a beautiful country

  • @Dark_Vader888
    @Dark_Vader888 Před rokem

    So awesome to see how tourists visiting for the first time do driving and charging using their Supercharger network. Saw low Psi warning throughout the whole series. Were your tires purposely low or was it a defective tpms sensor? Maybe efficiency would be better with higher tire pressures.

  • @xxBIGDAVExx1
    @xxBIGDAVExx1 Před 7 měsíci

    Love this Norway trip. Can you tell me the time of year this was. Looking at doing similar trip with my model y from UK or we might fly to Oslo and hire Tesla. Love all your road trips.

  • @StaticApnea
    @StaticApnea Před rokem +1

    @51:16. You are actually looking at the shadow of the earth, the umbra.

  • @TylerMarletteNY
    @TylerMarletteNY Před rokem

    I Heard Crumb - Part iii playing at the beginning

  • @AdrianHoppe
    @AdrianHoppe Před rokem +1

    Did you know you could hit "unlock charge port" and it will also stop charging. So you only need to hit one button! Little life hack for you ;-)

  • @djb1607
    @djb1607 Před 9 měsíci

    That BMW wagon sounds like it has an RB26.

  • @Superman-xr1oh
    @Superman-xr1oh Před rokem +2

    Did the Out of Spec team give up on this channel? Almost two months without an upload.

    • @CSquared092
      @CSquared092 Před rokem +1

      They probably did. This dude and Alyssa broke up plus all the other dudes that used to be around haven’t been in any of the videos for quite some time now. My guess is all the CZcams money and fame went to this dudes head because he’s a massive dick to Alyssa and his parents now lol it’s his way or the highway and I’m guessing most of them chose to leave

  • @darrenorange2982
    @darrenorange2982 Před rokem

    Because that charger can only do 3 cars at 250kw, in the US they normally install 3 of those and 12 chargers and they can share the power.

  • @zollerattila3316
    @zollerattila3316 Před rokem

    Oh, holy darkness!
    It was like watching LOTR, complete darkness throughout 60% of the film 😀
    Great trip anyway, congrats!
    It was a pleasure to "be there" with you 🙂

  • @sg222
    @sg222 Před rokem

    This different varieties of apps that makes it difficult for foreigners to charge is just frustrating. I live here in Germany and to travel through Europe is just difficult. That is just holding back electric mobility. People don't have such problems with ICE vehicles. It also shows why Teslas are so awesome, even in foreign country one charge. But only on highways and some destination chargers. I hope they also had an AC charging network, but I know it would be difficult due to different regulations in different cities.