Fixed: Help CV Axle Won't Go In 2002 Caravan A604 / 41TE Automatic Transaxle
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- čas přidán 12. 11. 2016
- FIXED UPDATE: I used the old ring from the shaft I pulled out and did the following:
1. Removed the ring from the old CV Axle, and squished the ring as tight as you can so that the ends meet and installed on the shaft.
2. Filled the gap between the ring and the shaft with grease and centered it.
3. Packed the end of the shaft where it goes in with grease.
4. On the advice from Roger at Precision Transmission in Fort Worth Texas. I wiggled the shaft slowly up then down as I tapped the end with a large hammer.
It went right in on the 4th or 5th tap.
Old Description: Hi guys, need some help here. I have a 2002 Grand Caravan with a 41TE Automatic Transmission and I can't get the CV Axle to lock in place on the passenger side with the lock ring in place. If I take the lock ring off it goes right in. So far I have tried:
1. Pulling the ring off and compressing it some.
2. Placing a 45 deg bevel on both sides of the ring and the ends where the gap is.
I have done several CV Axles before and have never run into a problem where it wouldn't go in with about 4-5 taps of my hammer.
So if you have any Tip on how to solve my problem please drop me a line or a comment. PS the Transmission was just rebuilt by Precision Transmission Group Inc. in Fort Worth Texas for a great price and warranty so I really need to get this back on the road.
Best Wishes n Blessings Keith - Auta a dopravní prostředky
im having same problem. your video gave me some insight thanks
Black you're welcome. Nothing like starting to realize the car you need is not going to get fixed. I hope it helped, I forgot to mention is the notes that I used the ring off the old CV Axle after I damaged the one on the new shaft. Because of you post I revised it to say what ring I used. At least you have a second option if the new one is damaged. Thanks for watching and the comment.
Best Wishes n Blessings. Keith
I'm having problems getting mine to go in on my pastor side of my 98 Blazer any tips or help would be greatly appreciated ?
Hi Todd I put grease in the groove where the lock ring compresses into when it's installed. I centered the ring and then installed it to where it was just pushing on the ring. I wiggled it up and down while tapping with a hammer, it went right in after that. Prior to that I had even mushroomed the nut end and bent the ring. I had to change my ring before I tried it again. If you're having the same problem you may have to remove the ring off your old one and put it on the new one like I did. Feel free to ask more question as needed. Make sure and read the comments in the SHOW MORE tab just below the video. Hope this helps. Keith
I had problem like this, I went to the Dealer and got a new c clip, use Vaseline to hold clip with the opening at 12 oclock it went right in. Some times the Dealer is a nessesary evil .
Had the same issue, but was able to use a rubber mallet to hammer the end. 2 good strikes got it in.
Saw where you mushroomed yours... since you're hitting the axle nut end... you can put the axle nut on part way or maybe even backwards if it'll go... just an idea to not strike the axle itself.
One thing I found really helpful was using a bungee cord attatched to the shock spring... loop it around the shaft and it helps keep the axle hoisted so you're not struggling as much to hold it in place while striking it.
Love the bungee cord idea. I finally got it in, I took the ring off the old CV Axle, greased it up and it went right in, hence the title "FIXED". Thanks for the tip, I'll keep that in mind when I do the next CV Axle. Thanks for watching. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
A dab of grease on the clip keeps it more "centered" and prevents it from wandering too much to one side...which is a problem. Another thing....keep the open side of the clip either straight up or straight down as you install it ( for most Toyotas, it's straight down)....so that is important too, to keep it centered. Should pop right in......
Keep it down with the Grease. I actually tried all those tricks 1st and ending up having to replace the C-Clip. Once I replaced the C-Clip it went right in like every one I've done for the last 40 years. This was a weird one for sure.
@@keithnoneya ...for most cases the little dab of grease ( not much) helps keep the clip centered and eases installation. No doubt some of these clips "stand proud" a bit more so a slight squeeze with pliers might be necessary to reshape them a bit smaller diameter.....but most times the grease and the proper up/down orientation is the ticket.
@@TheWilferch Agree 100%, I had actually taken the ring off three times and compressed it and put it back on with grease exactly as you said. This was a really weird one for sure. In 40 years of working on vehicles I've never had one not go in when I did all those tricks. This one I did notice had very sharp 90 deg sides and not the usual round or soft radius. I just ended up changing the ring and it went in the 1st attempt. Weird really weird. Thanks for the supportive tip my fellow mechanic, I can tell you know what you're talking about. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
Some mechanics (Scotty Kilmer & a website about repair) say that covering the ring with a thick coat of grease will help the ring snap into place more easily. Thanks for your 4 part series on the Caravan CV half-shaft. I am going to try to replace the passenger side CV axle on my 2001 tomorrow. Hopefully 'Murphy's Law' won't rule the day!
Yep I actually mention that in my comments in the Show More tab below the video.
The passenger side is a lot easier as there is more area to get behind the joint next to the transmission and there is a small raised round tab on the side to also help. The problem I had with it being hard to install was on the passenger side. Thanks for watching Unkulmark. Hope all goes well for you. Fell free to ask questions as needed. Best Wishes n Blessings. Keith
I watched the 'jimthecarguy' video on changing a 2006 driver's side CV axle but he did not remove the tie-rod bolt or that hard to get at nut under the outer CV joint. Is the design different on a 2006 or is he just doing the repair with a different method of operation. The Chilton manual CV replacement instructions for the 2001 are similar to your method. Thanks again
Hi, UNK.... I'm just doing it another way for the 2002. I don't know what the 2006 looks like but if they are of the same design I prefer to just remove the lower ball joint nut so I don't have to get a front end alignment. As far as the Tie Rod end nut you don't have to remove it all the time, it's just very easy to remove and it just makes it a little easier sometimes to have that little extra moving room. As with all my videos they are designed for the person familiar with automotive repairs. If you do front end repairs or brake repairs be careful to fully understand what you're doing. Just don't want you or anyone else getting hurt. Doing it by the book and ensuring you use the right torque specs is always a good idea for the beginner. Not saying your are but I don't know you personally so I kinda say that just in case. More than likely you know someone familiar with automotive repairs, work, church or just a friends. Get them to help watch you do the job and check it when you're done. Send me the link and I'll have a look at it and give you my best guess. Just be safe ok. Keith
ok I found it and it's just the same as the 2002. You don't have to remove the strut bolts, just do it the way I did it and you want have to pay $80.00 to $125,00 dollars for a front end alignment. Hope that helps. Feel free to ask questions as needed. Keith
Thanks again for the advice Keith. I do not want to pay 'through the nose' for any extra alignment repairs so I will do it your way. I have done some front end work before on my own vehicles (I could not afford to pay someone else to do it!) so I feel confident about it especially after watching your video series & some other CV axle replacement videos. When I was 16 my Dad 'forced' me to change a water pump on a 1963 Country Squire so that was a great learning experience in more ways than one.
I removed Cv Axle and saw that the Circlip on the CV Drive Shaft is kind of loose. You can rotate it easily inside of its grove easily. I plan to replace it. The original clip is made fm/white metal, looks like Stainless Steel. On Amazon I didn't see any Stainless Steel circlips and bought cirlips fm/Carbon Spring Steel. Is it better to put that Carbon Steel circlip instead of loose Stainless Steel one? How tight should be that ring in the grove? Thank you for the great film.
Same same. I tried grease, then made it clean as a whistle. Put the open end of the c clip at the twelve position. Found using a mechanics pick is the way to get the clip on and off . Its like a bigger dental pick. You really need to hang the free end on a wire, why hold it for 2 hours? It finally snapped in, i and think you are better off getting a witch to help with the cursed thing, they defy logic. Just keep trying, mushroom the head a little didn't seem to hurt anything.
I had the same problem.. It was a reman'd axle and I'd also never had this problem before.. They left the c-clip too open on mine too... Though I was able to get it the right diameter with pliers I had and grease... It did take me an hour to do it once I actually removed the C-clip... but before that another maybe 1:30 of me trying to get it in there... All in all I was this close to saying f*** it and buying a brand new axle.... but I persisted car works great so all good...
Yeah those C-Clips can be a real pain in the Butt! Glad you got it worked out. I just got the old one off the one I pulled out and put grease in the grove to hold it centered, then it went right in. Thanks for watching again, and the nice comment. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
Just did mine on a 2005 Buick Lacrosse. The right side axle would not go in because of the clip. I attached a pair of vise grips to the shaft midway between the boots, then I tapped against the vise grips with the handle end of a hammer, and that was enough to get it to set in place.
Good tip tony. Gave you a heart for it. Thanks for watching. Best Wishes n Blessings. Keith Noneya
Thank you much.
Here is another tip. When installing an axle seal, if it is tight and won't go in, freeze it either in your freezer or in the snow like I did for 20 + minutes, it shrinks the metal seal therefore it can be easily tapped into the housing.
Good Idea I don't think I would have thought of that. I assume you mean the axle retaining ring not the axle rubber seal, LOL.
Same problem with mine, i had to buy 3 different cv axles for my buick before it would fix, it could be a defective part sometimes but i know you said you used it before
LOL yep you're right on that one. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
Yeah I like to know where you got them CV axles I'm definitely not going to be going there
I think it was from AutoZone, but realistically that was so long ago I'm sure the maker either fixed them or went out of business. I hope you got your in. If you look in the description below the video I tell you how I got them to go in. Thanks for watching. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
I was having the same problem and i think I messed up the threads where it slides into. Is there a way to fix that?
HI jaguar, If you messed those splines up I don't think there is a way to fix that other than pull the differential assembly and file it. You also may be able to pull the CV Axle input Shaft cap off, it's the part that holds the seal, and get a triangle file in there and file the ends. Just make sure you clean it up real good or I don't think the differential will last as long as it should. Sorry I don't have better news for you. Let us know how it works out. Best Wishes n Blessings. Keith Noneya
How do you get the clip back on - I got mine off but can't get it back on.. any tricks?
Just spread it a little and press it on evenly. You may even try to use a socket to help push it on. They're a little tough but you can do it if you're a little forceful with it. Hope that helps. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
Did you ever get this in? Having the same issue on 2005 Matrix!
Sorry for the late reply. Yes I took the ring off the old one and put it on the new one. Then I filled the groove with grease and it went right in. Hope that helped. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
I think this is the same problem I'm having with my inner shaft on my mountaineer. Did you fix it, if so how?
I put the answer in the Show More description. Basically take the ring off, squish it, put the ring back on, fill the ring groove with grease and try it again. If the ring is bent like mine, put the one from the old shaft on it, and it should go in then. Thanks for watching Best Wishes n Blessings. Keith Noneya
Had same problem, ring wouldn't fit,. I followed Scottie Kilmer advice. Glopped grease on end. Snapped right in.
Thanks Frank, I tried that and it didn't work. I had to use a new ring, with lots of grease. See the comments. I like Scotty K. but if you're not used to mechanics be careful following his advice, he skips important safety steps sometimes. So always follow your shop manual when you watch his videos or anyone's videos for actual repairs. Thanks for watching, be safe and Best Wishes n Blessings. Keith Noneya
You do not want grease inside of your transmission. ATF is ok. If there's something wrong with your snap ring you need to find a way to deform it so it fits correctly around the end of your axle. And those retaining rings are supposed to be replaced, not reused 3 times. Vaseline might be okay because it may mix with the oil and come out with a drain and refill
It’s supposed to be synthetic grease, it looked like Scotty used regular grease in a tub though, I tried tub grease and silicone grease (synthetic) once I knew better, it didn’t seem to make a difference, it worked for you though?
I did this today .. problem is once you take the old one, then while putting new one uring any pliers c clip or that ring expand and it wont compress back. Trick is never use plier to install new one, use one end of the c cliip into the groove and guide the other end of c clip then use 90 degree pick to force the othe end. once installed, use grease to center it and pretty sure cv axle will not go in.. you have to use locking plier and use air hammer with slow beans and push it back.. this is the best way.
I'm having the same problem except its on the half shaft of the car, not the axle itself. I'm not looking forward to this.
Oh sorry to hear that, definitely no fun! There have been a lot of suggestions in the comments on how to solved this problem. I took the ring off the old CV Axle and put it on this one. Then loaded the groove with grease and it went right in. Let us know how it turns out and what you did to fix it. Best Wishes & Blessings to you Mira. Keith Noneya
round the inside bit where the ring sits so it goes in but wont come out
Yep I did that, all it did was bend over. I just filled the pocket area with grease, centered it and tapped it in. Thanks for the extra idea. Best Wishes n Blessings. Keith
i had the same problem today just managed to get it done, using a cutting disc on a grinder. and just went around that grouve just so the clip have enuf to fit in smoothly. check it every time you grindding around the shaft, it works bro cheers
put the ring inside the axle hole where it sits in a grove, and the shaft will slide in, done it many times
Very interesting idea, it makes sense. Been doing this stuff for years and never thought of or even heard of someone doing that. Personally I'm not brave enough to try it. If that sucker pushes into the differential rather than out into the locking groove, someone would play hell getting it out. Glad it works for ya. You should post a video on that, I'd like to learn how you do it. Thanks for the comment and watching. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
@@keithnoneya exactly 😆
I'm having same problem on a Buick century
Make sure and read the description and the comments below. You may find them helpful. Thanks for watching and I hope you get it installed damage free. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
Had to go get a new one and I looked up this video to see what not to do
Glad I was able to help in showing what not to do. That's why I put it up, so others would not make the same mistakes. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
Get same ring size spring but slightly thiner cut it and snap on
Thanks I fixed it by doing what I did in the comments. Not sure about cutting it though, I've never heard of that approach, did it work for you?
@@keithnoneya yes it worked fine.
@@ismailmirza5767 but the ring could let go and end up in your gearbox?
Someone used transmission grease and it helped the ring stay even
Thanks I did exactly that.
Keith Noneya How did you put the ring back inafter taking it out? I took mine out to squeeze it like you did, but I’ve been struggling putting it back to the shaft.
@@hieutrantrong9865 I just pushed on it real hard with my thumbs. Try wearing a pair of leather gloves if it hurts your fingers. Sorry I can't be of more help. If I lived near you I'd do it for you. Let us know how it goes. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
U can buy new rings at auto store
You sure can in most places. Another tip is if you're out in the middle of no-where you can also pull the old ring off the old CV Trans-Axle and use it as well, like I did. Thanks for sharing your tip with all of us. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
Do you actually need the C Ring. ??
Unfortunately yes you need the ring to keep the inner CV Joint from moving in and out and binding slightly. Good question though. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
@@keithnoneya Thanks Keith...aaaargh. .frustrating, will have another crack at it today after work. . Have a great xmas ..Cheers
@@philipsarossy1312 Make sure and read the comments some folks myself included either replaced the ring with the old one, greased it or both to get it to go in. I had to do both grease and replace it with the old one. Best Wishes and Blessings. Keith Noneya
@@keithnoneya Thanks mate..will do..cheers..
File the groove deeper on axle
Thanks Hec, but as the title said FIXED. I ended up changing the ring and greasing it heavily, then centering it. It's a trick a transmission guy commented on and it worked great. Thanks for trying to help. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
Clip ring is meant to go inside the other piece.
Not on top. Then it will go in.
Chris, seriously no disrespect intended but I have to disagree with you. All Dodge CV axle retaining clips for the A604 / 41TE Automatic Trans-axle go on the outer (top) groove so that it will lock in. The inner groove is a relief cut for when the splines were cut into the axle end. To verify this, not just taking my word and experience on it, look a up few of these CV axles on eBay or other websites that sell them and check out the pictures. If you place the ring on the inner grove the axle with not properly lock into the trans axle differential and can cause vibration. The ring is meant to compress as it goes into the differential and then expand into the drive gear groove and hold it in place. Thanks for the observation though and trying to help, I do learn things from my viewers on occasion. So I do appreciate it when folks are trying to help me. I did manage to get it in by replacing the ring with the old one on the shaft I pulled earlier. This one was just odd in that I've never had one NOT go in right away. I describe in the description how I managed to get it in for anyone else who has this problem. Since I had this problem, and I have over 30 years working on vehicles, I thought I would post a video describing the problem and the fix for others who may have the same problem. Best Wishes & Blessings Chris. Keith Noneya
get someone to play with the gears as you try pushing it in..
I fixed it by putting the old ring on and putting grease in the groove to hold it centered. Once I did that it slid right in. Thanks for the tip anyways. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
load it up with heavy grease go to scotty kilman.com
Thanks Frank. I solved it by replacing the ring clip and loading it up with grease. I posted the fix in the comments and put FIXED in the title & I left the video up to help others. I'm familiar with Mr. Kilmer's channel. I HIGHLY recommend his channel to experienced mechanics, but I do NOT recommend his channel to new or inexperienced mechanics, as he sometimes leaves important information out. Some of the information he leaves out is safety related that could contribute to an accident. I usually comment on his channel when I see it, but he never replies. Thanks for the comment. Oh Ps you may want to edit your link to Scotty's channel to www.scottykilmer.com. The Kilman.com is a Legal Executive Search Service. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
For mechanic I agree