The 16 stages of insight
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- Here I give an overview of the 16 stages of insight.
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Beautiful summary. Really looking forward to your detailed videos on how to practice to incline the mind toward each of these nanas. Thank you for your deep wisdom!
very well said, so concise and clear. thank you and congrats!
I'm no scholar on Vipassana but Daniel Ingram's book set the tone for me many years ago and was a big piece of the puzzle seemingly. Your interpretation of the stages, though slightly different, is wonderful.
And after the insight stages, after Stream-Entry begins a whole new path incredibly! A very different path of dissolution of the ego, of walls falling, of everything resolving, of opening of the mind and seeing reality as it is, and maturing of the life... which also has it's difficulties..
How astonishing this all is truly!💖💫
Daniel's book set the tone for me as well. Very grateful that we have access to all of these wonderful interpretations of the Dharma. When did you read Daniel's book for the first time?
@@joeniemchak it must have been 13-15 years ago now, how time flies!
I used to visit his discussion forum as well, and he was so kind as to give me a video chat with him after my first cessation, this helped put things in perspective.
After that I started to explore other paths and traditions, from yoga to advaita to so many more, one by one. The more the ego dissolved the more the mind was open and could truly be open to and absorb other points of views it was previously closed to...
Like you said, without the internet most of this wisdom and knowledge would be very difficult to access like it used to be required to travel to India to see specific teachers...
@@theUnmanifest This sounds like such an incredible journey! Daniel is a very kind person, he was willing to let me interview him a couple of times and one is on my youtube channel!
It's so nice to meet someone who's been on this path for many years and has been influenced by some of the same work.
I'm very curious to know what types of practices you engage in right now and which ones you hold closest to your heart, if any :)
@@joeniemchak I checked your channel out, you have some videos i look forward to watch!
You also interviewed Frank Yang which played a part in my journey/unfoldment!
Finding guidance by being able to compare with his vivid descriptions of his direct experience and seeing part of my own experience being revealed as a result.
Maybe Beth can be another interview?
As far as what my current practice is, it is to naturally see that everything is arising/happening on it's own in primordial awareness in every moments of life, including awareness itself and especially the sense of being someone if/when present, like a continuously unfolding flower, like a movie, everyone/everything without exception is arising in totality/void/primordial unconditional nonjudgmental space of what is, which is absolute acceptance and what true acceptance and love is by it's nature.
Everything appears in the silence, the answer to everything in the end.
Extraordinary!
I'm happy you liked the video.
Wow fascinating!!! Thanks for sharing this. ❤❤❤🙏🙏🙏🙏
Wonderful Beth, so clear, thank you 💕🙏☺️
A discussion between you and Daniel Ingram would be very interesting.
No it wouldn't
I take Daniel Ingram with a large pinch of salt myself.
Beautiful video, thank you so much for sharing :)
Amazing! Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and wisdom with such clarity🙏🙏🙏
Thank you!
🎉 So nice 👍
Hi Beth, I’ve been practicing Vipassana since 2012. Your videos are very helpful and insightful. I learned thru Goenka G, and as you may know they focus on the practice alone, and not much discussion of the stages. Very helpful to be able to hear and relate where I am in practice. Thank you 🙏🏽
Thank you for your comment. I'm happy to hear you found the video helpful.
@@bethupton1286 So I’m seeing consistency is important. I guess I took a moment to suffer and remember why and how I’ve come so far on the path. But it felt like I lost all insight as I dove into suffering. Of course I came back strong, and it turns out we pick up where we left off. I’m so grateful. So glad to be back here and feel your metta. 🙏🏽
thanks
Beautiful ❤️🙏🌈🌹👍
Do you think there is only dry insight, apart from the jhanas? If you practice only dry insight, what are your sources?
guau! what ignorance we have please! (avidya) thanks ❤you blessings
Have you personally experienced all the 16 stages and are you enlightened?
I have the same questions.
The Buddhist path involves 4 stages of awakening. Very few people get the the last stage i,e., become a Buddha. The four stages of awakening in Early Buddhism and Theravada are four progressive stages culminating in full awakening (Bodhi) as an Arahant. These four stages are Sotāpanna (stream-enterer), Sakadāgāmi (once-returner), Anāgāmi (non-returner), and Arahant. If you read "Dipa Ma: The Life and Legacy of a Buddhist Master" you will see that she became an Anāgāmi. That said, it's rare also to become an Anāgāmi and rare also that it is mentioned openly. In Dipa Ma's case this was only because of her teacher Muindraji who was open to having his students studied by Westerners interested in meditation... otherwise it would be pretty taboo tl talk about. Dipa Ma was known for her depth of practice in concentration, mindfulness and loving-kindness.
Hi Beth, is there any difference in experiencing these nyanas if one is practising dry insight(mahasi) as opposed to pa auk method? or it is the one and the same thing in both cases?
If the vipassana practice is based on ultimate reality (nama and rupa, not concept), then it can be the same, though the clarity will probably not be as sharp. In any case, we need at least a very deep access concentration with the mind free from thoughts for a long time, because thoughts and other distractions take us back to concepts and interrupt the depth of the vipassana.
Amazing. Where does this information come from? TheVissudmagga? Or elsewhere? Abidharma teachings and commentators? I recognise aspects from the sutras but never quite so clearly. Awesome stuff. Thank you Beth Upton!!
I'm not sure where Beth got her information from, but my understanding of these insight stages came from Daniel Ingram's book "Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha", and I believe his primary understandings of these teachings were at the core influenced by the Late Burmese Monastic, Mahasi Sayadaw. He outlines all of these stages in his book, "The Manual of Insight"
Maha sadhu
This is advance,I can't understand,my second time listening to this video...
Is this like an momentary type of entry into nibbana? Like afterwards you can return to normal. Rather than say an ultimate final nibbana type of experience?
Yes, the experience of nibbana lasts only for the length of the attainment, which could be from a few moments to several hours depending on the skill of the meditator. This experience is repeatable. Final nibbana occurs when an arahant dies.
@@bethupton1286 Thanks for taking the time to reply 🙂 - so is an arahant is one who has entered this state at least once? rather than someone who consistently remains in this state?
@@SonamSangpo
hello,
First experience mark the Stream entry, Sotapana in Pali (first stage).
An Arahant, which is the 4th and last stage could be caracterized by the freedom from all defilement, total removing of the 10 fetters, also no more rebirth, dying in the last nibbana "parinibbana".
There is 4 stages in the Teravada description, starting from stream enterer to arahant.
all the best
@@SonamSangpo If you are interested to learn more I suggest you read "Dipa Ma: The Life and Legacy of a Buddhist Master" by Amy Schmidt she made progress along the classic stages of insight. It will give you an idea of whats involved.
@WH-hi5ew thank you 😊
Stages just keep increasing for everything every year. It's 2044 and here are the 302 stages of personal development