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We need to deduct Everton another 4 points
Why? What they did do?
It is the reflex when something happens in English football that's the joke
Where is ja rule to sort all of this out
@@karsenhippolyte8721ja rule would get them a 20 point deduction
Everton had it comin
In the Austrian Bundesliga, a few weeks back perennial champions RB Salzburg and only contender Sturm Graz were facing each other. In the closing minutes, a Salzburg player started some stuff by putting an opponent in a short chokehold, a kerfuffel ensued and despite a ref, the VAR and the investigations after the match, the guy who did the choking got away with it while somehow two Sturm players got banned for the cup semi final against Salzburg a few days later (which they won despite of it all).
Weird how it's usually the rich teams benefiting...
Pretty easy explanation for why the pen wasn't given: It's City. City never gets those calls against them, especially with Oliver as ref
That is very untrue
@@bannaboy5800shut up oil miner
Yeah I mean I don’t think it’s corrupted but city so often are on the benefiting side of decisions
The amount of goals City have scored this year from corner decisions that weren't actually legitimately corners. And VAR can't go back and say HEY that wasnt a corner. But they can brng back the play if there has been a foul in the buildup. How is a faulty set piece not unfair play. VAR should interfere with corners the same way they do with offside. It's not subjective. It's a corner, or it isn't.
It wasn't because it was City, it's because it was a big club. Big clubs will always get the benefit of the doubt for example. That Coventry goal that was disallowed was absolutely onside. They just couldn't let a big club like Man United get knocked out. Chances are they were rigging it for a Manchester derby. That way they could maximize the money they get from viewership in the finals.
I was so confused how the commentators were talking about it like it OBVIOUSLY wasn’t a pen. I was questioning my sanity.
If not a pen, surely a corner lol? They basically just said fuck your free kick City can have the ball back. When one commentator was saying his arm was in a natural position as well 😂
@@jackreynolds975he didnt give the corner because that would admit that the ball in fact touched grealish’s arm, corruption blatantly
My benefit of that doubt is that Michael Oliver is just blind to there being any deflection, hence giving a GK. Now even if VAR reviews whether the deflection is handball or not, what they WON'T do is review a GK/corner decision, because that's not their job. So I understand the non-corner as just being another entirely separate error.
I'm positive they're trained now to just blindly support whatever the onfield decision is. Find myself wondering if we're even watching the same match sometimes these days
@@stokerino1905 Wow, a comment that makes sense in a var discussuon. Very rare...
Check Michael Oliver’s bank account ffs. He is literally paid to referee matches in the UAE and Saudi Arabia. He gave the penalty against Hojlund in the Manchester derby earlier this season, didn’t send off kovacic TWICE against Arsenal for two red card tackles in quick succession, this call you have covered in the video, the penalty incident against Liverpool in the last minute about a month ago, and then the offside goals against Fulham that he awarded. That is just off the top of my head. What an embarrassment to the league. I can’t take this seriously and don’t know what I can do about it. I am a Newcastle fan btw so I don’t really have any skin in the game here or bias.
He was also the VAR for the onside goal of Diaz against Tottenham who "couldn´t" pause the game because play had already resumed...
I thought that name was familiar but did not realize in how many fails he was. Holy shit.
@@paha4209He was 4th offical during that match, not VAR.
Was he officiating the first United vs Tottenham this season? Because that Romero handball was ridiculous. There is no handball more handball than that handball
@@colmnolan1808 my mistake, still he was involved and blocked the game from being stopped.
That's the 116th charge. Hope their lawyers are ready.
Nah but we all know that nobody with power gives a f*ck
Aren’t most of their charges for petty thinks like having their grass 1 inch to long and stuff like that? From what I’ve heard their is about 5 main finical charges which includes overstating sponsors
And they didn't even get a corner from that! it was a Man City Goal kick... I was screaming at the TV!
Your gonna have to make another one😅😅
lmaoooo 😭
I came here thinking this was about the Forest game. Man, PGMOL is shit.
the tweet tho damn
Forest fans just butthurt they couldn't cheese a win against the mighty Everton 🥱
It's not even funny that content creators can't keep up with how bad pgmol is
Great timing with same type of handball being given in Coventry - United game xD
Never handball
As a United fan I think both should be given, which does show the inconsistency - but I also see some fans say it shouldn't have been a pen since it wasn't for City which is stupid.
VAR is just 50/50. In one game they make the wrong call, the next match the correct call for the same thing...
@@JFriisN All 3 should be given. Including the one for Forrest
Conventry - My favourite football team of nuns
Zealand ain’t gonna be able to keep up no more, this happening on an hourly basis now. 😂😂😂😅
Scottish Premiership: You ain‘t seen nothing yet.
There's a reason why we have a club called "Penalty to Rangers" in the league!
Man U v Coventry 121st minute hold my beer.
@@craigratiothe goal was offside
@@drunkenhobo8020maybe , just maybe, Refs should give penalties ON the field of play
Yeah...so had this on the laptop just as Coventry get their penalty. Very similar circumstances, one was given, one wasn't.
That wasn't handball
@@kieronparr3403 It was. Wan Bissaka a split second earlier had his arm span as wide as it could have been. It stopped the progression of the ball. How isn't that handball?
@@SirMonkeySuit Where is Wan-Bissaka meant to put his arm? Inside his torso?
@@Nighthawk9101was that your comment when wan bassaka WON a penalty in the FA Cup FINAL last season for a handball BY Jack Grealish
@@TheGordybear if you're going to accuse me of hypocrisy you better come with evidence instead of making assumptions.
Also, what's with the random capitalisation? Are you 12?
I’m a Chelsea fan and the most concerning thing is that not even a corner was given. VAR acknowledged that a Man City player touched the ball so at the minimum a corner should have been given
Learn what can and can't be given by VAR
Once again I question why is it so much more competent at the world cup and euros than in the Premier league
Premier league us a business
It isnt. It REALLY ISNT much more competent.
Maybe the VAR is England is *particularly bad* but the VAR at the WC or EC is not good either.
It's kind of like the US Supreme Court. We all know that at best they have major conflicts on interest that are influencing decisions. Olives here has bailed city out twice in the past month. The worst part is that we know no action will be taken because the FA and the Prem are complicate at this point. If they try to make any change its an admission of guilt and they will be at risk of losing the sponsorship and TV revenue agreements that got them to where they are. The only chance is that it continues to be this bad where they have outside investigations for corruption like what happened to the Italian league.
"will be at risk of losing the sponsorship and TV revenue agreements that got them to where they are"
HA! No.
The only reason they arent doing it, is not because they risk the profitability of the sport, but because they have to admit THEIR mistake. End of story.
Those contracts arent going anywhere. They didnt when the entire FIFA was implicated in major corruption scandals, they didnt when the Spanish FA boss kissed people on his national team, they didnt go anywhere when City was publicly announced to be investigated to make an utter JOKE of the league and competition for over a decade, they didnt go away when Manchester United loss his place on the top of the world,
next to the fact that a majority of the value of your TV contracts are intrinsicially linked to the freaking english colonial empire and having about 2 billion people forced to natively speaking english. This is a selling point no Sky, Dazn or whatever will ever WANT to lose. Sky is hammering money and growing debt every year JUST to keep the Prem.
Okay Zea, time to discuss VAR robbing Coventry
Michael Oliver had a great game...
Dont forget that if you look at the games he's reffed or been VAR for that involved City, and they pretty much ALL have rather controversial decisions in them... Also really weird that Michael Oliver was also hired to ref in the UAE.... But that's none of my business ;)
VAR is blessed as an instrument, 9 out of 10 times it solves human errors beyond reprehension. The problem only comes up in that 10% of cases where the rules are unclear and the same episode can be subject to a variety of interpretations, handball being the manifesto of it. The guys at IFAB are the ones to blame for this, but it's unimaginable to go back to a pre-var era
You must be loving Nottingham Forrest today. Couldn't have timed this better.
Ohhh, Zealand's gonna have a field day with Everton Forest...
VAR can see all angles captured by all cameras in the stadium ... so ...!!!
Also, after that non-penalty, Chelsea were not even awarded a corner! Michael Oliver (referee) was so incompetent that he didn't even give a corner after the ball had obviously struck somebody in the wall (regardless of whether or not it should have been a penalty - it should!)
And then Wan bissaka gets a pen given against him just a day later!!!
i genuinely have no idea where wan bissaka was supposed to put his hand in that situation, insane call
@@lukee7442 It's a clear pen against AWB and Grealish, it's the inconsistency. City corruption at its finest.
we have reviewed the footage and have a warded man city with 500 points and 50 penalty's against united
Me thinks there's gonna be another video released soon regarding this.
You should come over to the UK in autumn with Ayal and we will take in a FA Cup game at lower league in Manchester. With 30 potential teams in the fa Cup before the first round you will be able to get an understanding of how important these matches are to lower league clubs :)
Ukela
As a Forest fan, this video hits hard today :(
There is a camera behind the wall (or barrier) and you can see clearly the deflection of the ball when it hits the arm of Grealish
They knew that. Apparently VAR can't change the on-field goal of goal kick. They can only determine if there was a penalty. It's kinda stupid.
Don’t forget if they were to win the FA Cup, they qualify for Europe as well, which would be a big turnaround for their season.
Oh boy, and Zealand havent even seen Everton-Nottingham yet...
What var needs to do is cut out the accidental/unintentional shit. If the arm is away from the body and it hits you there it’s a handball. I you tackle a player unlawful regardless of if it was soft or not it’s a foul. That’s the only way you could be as fair as possible
The main problem i heard from local fans is that no one with a real voice is calling mistakes like these out, whether they are journalists at a big media company or just former footballers now pundits, no one really is speaking out for the game and for the fans and it's all about the benjamins nowadays, or the ...quids ? can't think of another term from ye ole england for cash
Dude. It’s mind blowing how things like this get missed. If this isn’t a handball nothing is.
Wouldn't be a Chelsea game at Wembley without a nonsense VAR call. 🙃
Not made better by Thiago Silva crying on the pitch after the final whistle...
Kovacic getting away with murder v Arsenal, Doku on Mac Allister and this incident all had Michael Oliver as referee. Happens to be a ref who went to the UAE in the middle of the season and was paid huge sums of money by members of the City ownership group to referee a glorified Sunday League game.
Hi Chelsea fan here and I think not giving the penalty is acceptable but the fact that they didn't even give a corner is complete and utter bollocks
Z's body hair is trying to grow outwards like marvels MCU timelines.
The integrity of the today’s officials in English footy was lost long ago.
Bet it was Michael Oliver. He’s the Angel Hernandez of Europe.
I mean this is tame compared to the Everton vs Forest match. 3 Penalties that should have been given for Forest, an aquisation of a biased VAR official and bringing the sport into disrepute. As a neutral, that 1 game made me not want to watch football, at least Premier League football, it was that bad and could help relegate a club.
look for the coventry offside goal, which actually wasn't offside, such a disgrace, toughest league , best FA , my arse , killing the game with every game
If people think there is no corruption involved, they are naive
Looks like Manchester bought itself a derby Cup Final. The only pleasure I get from that is that the supporters are going to have to travel all the way to London to see it.
BTW, no way that was definitely offside today. Line drawn over one foot but not the other, can you guess which one got the benefit of the doubt.
Man United also bought the final. Coventry goal was never offside.
The fact this was posted right after THAT goal got disallowed...
I am a Chelsea fan.. .hell... my avatar has me wearing a Hazard kit, and I was livid
The PGMOL is a member of City Group Ltd, and we're all sick of pretending that they aren't.
On no planet is the Grealish "handball" a foul. There was no hand to ball, and the hand is not in an unnatural position.
His arm goes out as he goes up, and naturally returns to his side.
The VAR have additional views that the broadcasters don't hwve
You should do a video on the Forrest - Everton game penalty controversy
They literally changed the handball rule so that it’s any contact made. Unless it’s Man City.
It wasn't a pen. Calls like those aren't given as much on set pieces anyways.
Hi, its me, a very important person with a very important opinion that you should listen too. I think a penalty for a hand ball should have to satisfy 2 of 3 criteria to be awarded.
Number one(1): IS THE BALL GOING TO A DANGEROUS AREA - This would be to another attacker, or an on target shot, or to space that would result in a dangerous chance. In this case, no, the ball is very clearly missing the goal. ❌
Number two(2): Is the arm in a natural position - Keep our current definition of natural position. In this case, no its not. ✅
Number three(3): Did the player have enough time to move their arm out of the path of the ball - The only time this should be no is if your response to the call is "well he couldn't have moved his arm even if he tried". Essentially a rocket blasted from point blank. So in this case, Yes. Yes he did. In fact he actually moves his arm TOWARDS the ball. ✅
Two out three are satisfied, so penalty.
Can’t wait to hear Z rant about how bad the other Manchester team is 😂
Grealish, Doku, Ødegaard, crazy how many extremely obvious penalty calls go in Man City’s favour just this season
Lol i saw the thumbnail and thought hey thats a pen before even knowing what this vid was about or that they played today 😂 just so obviously hitting his arm and deflecting into his body
I think that if they cannot conclude that it is a penalty via the available angles in the VAR room, it's not a penalty and therefore a correct decision, even though it is a wrong decision if you later on see it from other angles that shows it was a penalty. That is atleast how they operate in the league in my country.
So more cameras equals to better decisionmaking... or so you would think
The problem is that VAR officials are all ex-referees.
It’s worse they are current referees
You know, I was all for VAR. I'm an American, very used to replay reviews in our other sports. I'd assume, like the other sports here, that it would take a few years but eventually they'd get it right and be right 99% of the time and it would get streamlined to the point of not taking much time out of the game (college basketball not included in the time part of course). I'm now thinking that I was wrong. If you can't figure it out by now, just go back to the way it's always been. At least when the refs made garbage calls pre-VAR you could accept that human error in a fast moving sport was just part of the game.
It‘s incomprehensible how the most expensive league of the most popular sport on the planet still hasn’t figured VAR out while much better working examples exist. Just cooperate with the NFL and let yourself be educated by them on this technology.
I hope you’re right because VAR is terrible but I don’t have any hope things will change
I know now why it wasn't given. To avoid hurting the dynamics in the Chelsea locker room with another fight about who should take the penalty. As a guy that watches at least 4 competitive different leagues every week var is not doing everything is supposed to do. There are still to many errors.
Z I live in NY, I ordered Chinese and It was not bright and sunny this Saturday, you’re excused.
Zealand, discuss the robbing of Coventry's winning goal.
Chocolate turtles
To defend Grealish his arm is in an unnatural position and he tries to bring it back to a natural one. However despite being a city fan i thought we got lucky. If his arm was moving the other way it definitely would have been a penalty.
Actually with the exchange rate, that guy actually costs $123million
Then Nottingham Forest v Everton happened and NF wrote a letter to PGMOL about it.
Nothing will improve with VAR until Michael Oliver leaves as no one can question any decision however Anthony Taylor seems to be going the same way with his decisions this weekend
The amount of goals City have scored this year from corner decisions that weren't actually legitimately corners. And VAR can't go back and say HEY that wasnt a corner. But they can brng back the play if there has been a foul in the buildup. How is a faulty set piece not unfair play. VAR should interfere with corners the same way they do with offside. It's not subjective. It's a corner, or it isn't.
You need to do the nottingham forest everton game after the tweet about VAR official being a luton fan and denying them 3 penalties.
I usually agree with you, Zealand, but I can't on this. I'm not even a Man City fan. In fact, I think it appears they've done some dodgy stuff and should be punished for it. But I just don't think you can say this is a deliberate handball. He's jumped and that's the normal motion of his arm. Far too many handballs are given as penalties and think we need to stop giving penalties for little things like that.
It’s not a normal motion he made himself bigger and then moved his arm into the path of the ball
This is not even surprising. Bigger and richer team getting a insane call in favor of them is usual nowadays.
Since at least the beginning of last season, City have been getting that favouritism from the refs that United had for 20 years and nobody’s talking about it
Ah yes, my favorite weekly report how VAR sucks from my FM streamer
i want to listen Zealand complain about the coventry offside
Since varsity been introduced many refs see it as an attack to them to say your wrong go check var if its not completely clear and obvious their egos get in the way and stick to their call no matter how bad it is
As a Manchester city fan… how did Chelsea not get a penalty for grealish blocking a hole in the wall with his arm
The bit I don’t get is it’s clearly an obvious error as the ref doesn’t think it touched freakish at all. Therefore at the bare minimum he should have been told it touched his hand, and he gets to look at the monitor. But Chelsea getting robbed by var at Wembley is a yearly tradition
You think this is bad, you need to watch the Everton v Nott's Forrest, from the next day. Mind you VAR can see off side when it's a lower rated team v's a big name.
The reffing in big team v's lower teams has always been one sided, you didn't need VAR to prove that. It's just funny to think that Chelsea are now looked on as a lower team.
As a Chelsea fan, i dont think this penalty would have made a difference. Yes, we would have been ahead, but once City actually started playing, we couldn't stop anything they were doing. Nicolas Jackson lost us this game with his decision-making, not VAR
Nffc would like to have a word…..
Only 7k view in 4 hours?! It’s over for him
Can you talk about the forest v Everton game next
As a Chelsea fan I’m not arsed about that pen. Jackson missed so many chances we deserved to lose
They called PK against Manchester United today for a hand ball, no problem!
Im still waiting an explanation as to WHY it wasnt a pen. McManaman was all deffo not a pen, so was Jenas. Okay, so why isnt it? Im obviously missing something in that regard. We never saw the VAR million replays, nothing. Just, yep no pen. See ball hit arm, arm moves towards the ball, silly me just assumed it would be a pen.
It wasn't a pen because the referee is in the payroll of the Abu Dhabi emir.
read the handball law you can also find a educative video on youtube about it, might be the hardest call to get right in football, i bet you never read the rule
I don´t know given how many awful decisions Michael Oliver had either pro ManC or against their rivals in the battle for the title this season i think he was having a great day!
Also given that Oliver shut down the VAR immediadly on the Doku Frontkick against Mac Allister saying "it wasn´t a pen" multiple times it wouldn´t suprise me if he did the same here. VAR can´t do their work if the Ref doesn´t want them to do!
Zealand running is doomed
As a city fan, that’s 100% a pen
as a football fan you should read the handball law
@@bogdanvlad9165 explain to me how this isn’t a pen then.
If you think that’s bad watch the Romero hand ball vs United, how that’s not given with var is unbelievable
This is ridiculous. Clear pen.
Grealish has 2 options that would excuse something like this and chose neither. Had he immediately started retracting his arm, he would have been fine even if the ball had hit him. Same applies if he had kept his arm on the other guys shoulder. Instead of that he just pulled his arm into the path of the ball.
This is just Grealish playing GK and the fact Chelsea didn't even get a penalty just tells you that something was done wrong on purpose.
Lol this came out before that disgusting dissalowed ball in Coventry vs VARchester UTD
Bro we’re already depressed after that embarrassing performance give us a break
Offside is offside, and Coventry got a dodgy penalty so calm down
VAR dropped the ball big time here.
They should have asked the ref one simple question, before restart.
What are you basing the goal kick decision on?
He has to say something like the ball did not touch, or other view to justify that.
VAR should then ask him to look at it again on screen. Cause he has made an "clear and obvious" error.
Done deal.
VAR rules even state that penalty decisions is one off the 4 things they should intervene in.
You ordered 5 guys for lunch? 😮😮 should we just pretend you didn’t say that 😮?
Every time i think brazilian refs and var are shitty, i remember that England also have shitty refs and var.
If you think this is bad..... Watch the Firest vs Everton match today.... 3 CLEAR PENALTIES!
The Manchester clubs are so favoured by referees it’s crazy - we need referees from abroad and the south and VAR has just made it easier for refs to favour big clubs
always has been doomed even up in scotland its terrible
We have been getting robbed at Wembley for like 4 years straight. When will it end Robbie
The "clear and obvious" rule is very unclear and inconspicuous
Not only was it not a penalty... IT WASN'T EVEN CALLED A CORNER
What in the actual fuck is that?
The referee thought Greilish didn't touch it and the VAR doesnt review corner decisions. It's that easy.
It didn't look like a penalty from the angle the goalkeeper and VAR saw. Mistakes like that can happen.
NJ is just the real life version of that annoying Top Eleven ad.
This is why we don't use the pretty player's in the wall.
should've waited a bit longer to make the video tbh
the integrity of the game has been long compromised and the VAR is just an official tool to compromise it even further. if the track record of abysmal VAR decisions doesn't prove it to the fans of the sport and they continue to support and follow games with VAR, then they deserve whatever is coming for them. Personally, I stopped following games when it appeared and I am smiling everytime something like this proves me right. Look into controversial decisions at every level, check what sports betting agency was sponsoring the teams/stadium/league etc. and you will see the money trail. Or just ignore it and continue to support something that feels wrong, you do you, Boo-Boo.