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With Motorcycle Cops Standing Vigil, NYS&W Utica Club Brewery Job
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- čas přidán 9. 07. 2015
- With two UPD motorcycle officers helping with traffic control, the NYS&W Utica Branch local switches Utica Club Brewery off its Schuyler St trackage on July 9, 2015.
The comment on the video was right on. The locomotive most likely did not have enough swing on it’s coupler to get in a position where the pin would drop to lock the coupler. So, the crew goes out and brings in another car that has more lateral movement. In making a coupling on a curve, the knuckle on the inside of the curve has to be closed. But, if the open knuckle can’t be lined up at least half the amount of it’s lateral movement, can’t the pin two drop. Worked as a trainman for41 years.
Could you run that by me again?
What exactly do you want to have run by you again?
@@kennethboucher7663 I was just kidding. Your explanation was like Greek to me. Though I sort of get it, with couplers and all that. Despite that I can't speak the language I still love the railroad.
Kenneth Boucher It’s something every HO scale modeler using Kadee couplers knows about.
You can also tell by the amount of flange squeal when the locomotive first came out of the building that it is on a sharp curve. That necessitates having the incoming coupler open and car in the shed would have to have it’s coupler closed.
I think this is one of the most interesting/coolest train spurs I've ever seen! Definitely like that intersection with the tower...definitely don't see things like that everyday. Also, makes me want to try this beer out, I mean that brewery is just cool
We go to the Saranac Brewery a few times a year and I've never seen this train action. Really good vid of the Susie Q!
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As youth in Philadelphia we would get Utica Club mini kegs,ball beer.
Uh, green plastic kegs? I'm asking because 35 years ago I was in Philly for the free Beach Boys concert, and ended up having to search for the first aid tent to get a small shard of plastic removed from my calf. How'd that happen? Tried to get away from some drunk about to put a firecracker in a nearly empty one, but didn't get far enough.
(I told this to a friend on FB *many* years later, and she told me it happened so often that we poor souls are dubbed Honorary Philadelphians for having it happen to us.)
Everything about this is AWESOME, great catch, awesome details and explanations throughout, JUST AWESOME! 😊
Thanks for your positive feedback! This video only recently went "viral," glad it's generated this level of interest.
Thank you, really enjoyed that. Here in Dublin Ireland the famous Guinness brewery had a rail connection until 1965.
Glad you enjoyed the video & thanks for your interesting comment.
Proud Utica homeboy here. That tower is a classic. Beer is super..lots of IPA's experimental stuff, they brew for other labels, too. Uica Club ads in 1950-s 60s were done by Jonathan Winters !!1 Schultz and Dooley. Utica Club is mainstay. During my college days they made Maximus Super..which kids called Maximus Stupor. Boom ! they featured one of my l friend lady's rump in tight jeans on their promo poster. Back in the day. Back to railroading. Utica had the largest rail yard in NY State outside of NY for quite a while. The demise of the weaving and knitting industry and the criminal element here ran off a lot of that. Now we're free of organized crime and have only disorganized crime..and goofy politics. to deal with.
I love seeing old time like switch jobs like this still in action. Sadly that paved over the area of street running in the town I live in
Great video.
Coming back out and grabbing the other wagon for coupling is very common...Loco on wagon can always be difficult specially on tight curves...grabbing the extra wagon and using it to shunt the siding is something I've always done, safer and more practical coupling between wagons rather then the loco...great vid!!!
I have shunted some crazy yards in the West of Scotland, but this takes the biscuit.
Yeah, the tracks run in Schuyler Street. But not straight. They wander from side to side in the street. It’s a main way into the West Utica neighborhood, so the street is busy with car, bus, bicycle, and foot traffic. And of course, right there, in the middle of that stretch, there’s the tight curve into the West End Brewery. I really don’t know how the railway people manage it. I’ve gotten stuck just in front or behind the train many times. My boss does not think it is an acceptable excuse for being 5 minutes late, even if I videotaped the train on my phone as evidence.
This is one of the most interesting industry switching jobs I've ever seen. I love the location. How do you maintain tracks that are embedded n black top? suppose you have to dig them up for some reason? Amazing. I love how the switch is thrown. I've never seen that before.
Being from New Hartford, I have taken the UC Brewery tour many times. I wish the train delivery portion and off loading areas were in the tour.
That Mack truck was set to challenge-decided he had met his match and turned tail.
Not seeing the traffic control cop by then.
Great vid. Your editing skills are exemplary.
Great video. Love the early pic and the tower.
Thanks for posting. i always wonder how they throw the siding switch 1:40 on a paved road.
There is a design for use between the rails to save space if there is a clearance problem to either side that prevents the switch stand to be located there. If you look closely the rails are girder rails meaning they provide a flangeway in the pavement for the wheel flanges in street trackage. This is specialized track and more expensive than when building on open track. When this track was installed 36 foot and 40 foot cars were the usual size to be used.
Seeing that tower brought back memories of such a tower on the Pennsy line where it crossed E. Main St in Newark Oh.
Great stuff. Street railways and small rail-served industries are long gone in the UK now :(
Fantastic, I really enjoyed that. Thanks.
My uncle, Stan Buell, missed that stuff after he moved to LA. Even made some kind of commercial about it.
He got a better job in L.A?
The siding switch control device with the cover is buried in the ground,which does not affect the street/road traffic on the ground,especially it's protected by the customized cover is also very considerate,as well it is helpful to keep the street/road smooth traffic all time.Aha,really long exposure of that!See you.Good luck *^_^*
what was the purpose of the tower?
That engineer seemed to connect cars pretty hard with those knuckles!
I wonder how a switch work in the street now i know ! ! thanks for sharing
That is a very sharp curve, and I love how the brewing company has a door for trains. That's just cool. 👍
A lot of places that have food grade commodities and things like paper loads handle cars inside so they don't have to worry about weather.
But I still told you. Now go run along troll.
NS#1fan It is sharper than 12 D 30 Min. I guess 16 to 20 degrees.
12 D 30 Min--radius 459.276 feet
16 D---radius 359.265 feet
20 D---radius 287.939 feet
1 inch = 0.0833 feet
I don't think a 6-axle unit would make that curve.
Trains were smaller back when that track and the building was built.
Looks like he couldn't make the joint on the head car inside the brewhouse with just the engine. Curved track to sharp to move the locos coupler far enough over to make a connection. I'm assuming he used that head covered hopper as a "reacher". A little more swing of the coupler on a railcar than on a loco.
I wish beer and cider breweries and distillieries for that matter here still had rail connections.
Something to watch while tossing back a pint.
@Big Wheel this is the actual brewery they are delivering hops to. Utica Club, Saranac, and other craft beers are made here.
Quite a few still do. A-B in St Louis still receives grains and malt in hopper cars--in fact most A-B breweries still use rail to receive barley, hops, and malt. Coors in Denver, CO still uses rail for the same reason, and I believe they still ship beer out in box cars and tank cars--imagine one of those spotted for your party! Several other breweries also still ship beer by rail, in addition to receiving raw material by rail. One is in the south.
What is/was the purpose of the "Schuyler St. Tower?" I have never seen a structure quite like that one.
Once upon a time, grade crossing gates were manually controlled by someone who could see over the traffic - I'm very surprised this was manned as long as it was.
I looked at this on GooglEarth. Interesting seeing the elevated green switch "tower"
What could be more surreal than watching street running as trains run between houses and shops? Answer: Watching that train run into and through the brewery buildings.
1:41 He is pre-cutting his cars according to order for sorting at the yard. Saves a lot of time to have common destinations grouped together.
I see your point but i'm not so sure he's cutting cars in. If he were doing that he would have went in with the covered hopper the first time. Looks like he couldn't make the joint on the head car inside the brewhouse with just the engine. Curved track to sharp to move the locos coupler far enough over to make a connection. I'm assuming he used that head covered hopper as a "reacher". A little more swing of the coupler on a railcar than on a loco.
Many use empty cars in front of loaded ones as a cushion in case of accidents. We see this very often when they are moving strings of tankers. They put an empty hopper in the lead and one at the end of them, both as cushions.
terenfro1975 That was my take on it as well.
Probably had some clearance issues inside and needed to use the hopper to reach.
I think that hopper was hooked on before they picked up the other two to properly block the train.
Love the street running! 😃
was this line part of an inhereted street car or intururban line? thanks
No, this was originally (back in the late 1800's) two parallel walking streets with industries along them with a rail line through the center and spurs for most of the factories, warehouses, and breweries. Later, as some of the warehousing moved out, mill/row housing was built, and workers for the factories and such moved in. In the run up to World War I, some of the factories were relocated elsewhere, and housing began to spread out. The streets were merged together, but since cars weren't yet a thing, this wasn't a problem. In the late 40's and early 50's, most of the industry moved out, and housing spread like wildfire. So did motor vehicles, and that's when parking began to become an issue.
By then, of course, it was too late. The city would have to pay the Railroad (lots of money right there) to move the line, and the remaining businesses that it served would have to source a different mode of delivery, most likely by truck, which is hugely expensive per ton compared to rail. From city's POV, having 3-4 big-rigs per railcar-load of "stuff" driving around the city causes more wear and tear, is more expensive, and causes more accidents and long term issues than having 1-2 trains a day drive through the place, and better yet, doesn't cost them tax money, since the Railroad is responsible for track maintenance.
Some awesome footage.
Support these companies! Keep rail relevant.
18 inch radius curve.
I think you mean 18 foot...
If you are talking HO scale, I'd challenge that and say 15 inch radius (...14!?)
A modeller's dream this!!!!!!!!
nice catch!!
Diesel exaust flavor cola.... the man's drink !
About that box that is in the street to throw the switch----what do they do in the winter when it is covered over with ice and snow and frozen up?
It can be a chore but sometimes they do have to scrap snow & ice from it.
Is the hopper used to reach the 2 already inside, if there is limited clearance for the loco. I'm surprised the loco is allowed inside at all.
Tony, you're an idiot.
English clearly isn't your first language....
Tony Samson you really are an idiot, aren’t you?
Does this brewery still receive hoppers today?
Yes, probably 2-4 cars per week.
I want to see on the other side of the building? I wonder if the radius was to great to hook into that first UP car? He needed another to do it? Maybe the radius gets tighter and the engine can't go any further?
CONTAINERMAN68 normally the units drawbar isn’t able to be moved over as much as a regular car
AWESOME GOOD VIDEO VERY INTERESTING AND INFORMATIVE THANK YOU FOR YOUR VIDEO AND YOUR TIME HAVE A GOOD DAY BE SAFE AND CAREFUL JIM KAMMERER OF PHILADELPHIA PA THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 👍👍👍👍
What is that watchtower at 4:08?
This was amazing to watch !
What is the green workman's hut, like a watchtower or a mirador, is that a signal box ? A vestige of an older trafic ?
Jacques, from France.
It's a Watchman's Tower. Back in the day a man was stationed up there to throw switches and alert any road traffic that there was a train approaching. He has more information on another video, but I'm sorry I don't remember which one it is. I've been binge-watching these videos for the last two days! But what a great excuse to watch more train videos!!! Do you guys have tracks like this in France?
@@thomream1888 I suppose that so, I watched some watchman'towers like this one in other videos from USA, I was intrigued. Thank you for your answer.
@@keplergso8369 Always glad to help out a fellow railfan!
I need a beer!!
heh, you said this brewery made "soft drinks". Well, okay, I agree, beer is a soft drink.
tom kat just saying I used to LOVE Root Beer but now not so much. tastes change I guess just saying. Have a good day.
Dead Frt West - Saranac makes one of the best Root Beers around. Heavy on vanilla flavor and very sweet. Also, their Adirondack Lager is fantastic!
did he flip off the camera at 121?
no, he blew on his hand.
Looks like he flipped off the cop
Awesome Video!
Nice seeing 3040 running.
I like the GP 40 and seriously doubt that an SD could navigate that tight curve coming out of the brewery.
That GP40 has to be hell on those curves. You'd think they would have an SW for that industry.
Problem is getting there. Paris Hill has something like a 1.8% grade. The GP's they use can barely make it with 5 loads (on their own) on a good day. Usually they have a CSX lease unit that runs with the 3040 if there's more than 5 loads, but it has a history of mechanical issues, and while the brewery track is a tight curve, the rest is doable with a GP. They'd be buying a switcher unit for a single job, and that's not really economic for a smaller RR like this, especially since the GP they do have can do it, if they're careful and the brakeman doesnt get crunched between the rail and the wall.
Amazing there's actually a turnout in the middle of the street like trolly tracks. How cool!
man I'd love to try all the drinks the brewery makes!
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a switch stand like that before.
You should see the turn in the brewery it self that is tight
Wow, that was cool!
Is this the matt brewing company? would love a video of the front maybe a tour and inside when train is there.
Saranac and the matt brewing company make the best root beer!
Yes, F.X. Matt Brewing Co.
Very cool to see this.
"Thomas , you naughty engine, go back to your shed and stay until I say you can leave" !
That's amazing. The only example of this left in the country?
No, there are still a few other examples around.
These tracks at the Brewery needs to be overhauled a lot
I'll bet that switch is a pain in the ass to throw during the winter months. Probably all iced up.
brinky100 blow torch maybe
its Heated by a propane tank usually.
A wise motorist, indeed.
Omg someone please adjust the drain valve ... geesh!
When i was very young i wanted to be a switch man for a living, just throw switches all day, direct the trains.
Beautiful yellow diesel
why the motorcycle police? some videos I see them switch without. has there been accidents there before?
+Mike Boyle Pure happenstance, Mike. They just came upon the scene, saw traffic backing up & decided to help out.
And yet another moronic remark..
@Tony Sampson~` You sound like a loser who has had a few run ins with the law.
D.B. I don't know how he could have run in's with the cops down in his mom's basement....
Tony Samson Looks like your apostrophe key doesn't work. Also typing "2" instead of "to" saves you one keystroke. How clever! More time to put your hand back to where you want it to be.
Ah, Schultz and Dooley !
Very good locomotives 💘👍👌
The water comes from Hinckley Reservoir which in the foothills of the Adirondacks. Hinckley was originally built for supplying water to the old Erie Canal before they built the Barge Canal. Hinckley now supplies Utica with drinking water.
@Big Wheel that would be correct. For example, Syracuse for many years had the NYC main line run through the center of the city on Washington St. It wasn't till the 1930's they built and elevated embankment which is now the right of way for I-690.
so THIS is who UP sold those hoppers to. That's a long way from home.
Amazing that that tower was still there. Is it still there?
Yes...it's still there. I live just outside Utica, NY. I'm very familiar with this track.
Very interesting history of the railway in your city. 😃
That's an understate !! @@jeffreyg3831
More Cowbell...
What a cool train
How do they switch tracks.
Ah I get it just like that crazy train driver Buster who kept breaking windows and derailing cars from I love toy trains with those Delaware and Hudson sd45 engines
Drank allot of that in high school
A companion video to the one where the city worker whose truck was penning in a motorist, refused to back up to allow her car to be moved clear. The train must have been within an inch of her car as it crept past her. Perhaps he was on a break.
Susquehanna?! Slowly I turned ...
The conductor could do with a high visibility vest that lives up to its name.
Where are Shultz and Dooley?
I’m surprised that there isn’t a lock on that switch cover.
@Hauger could be his nephew or brother
Same here. I wonder if it being on the road and being ran over by cars all day would break the lock? Maybe they don't want to deal with someone forgetting or losing the key?
@@StewartLucrative I don't think it would break easily
StewartLucrative makes sense.
Considering the crew would be moving slow enought to see the position of the switch and easily stop and change it, there's really no need for a lock.
That was pretty neat ...
Was one of these the car that hit the Union Station?
ariel films inc
Nope, these cars were long gone by then.
Love street running. Those spur tracks were really groaning. Good thing it was not an SD model.
Assuming they had enough cars with them, they simply could have used the cars they already had as a "handle" to reach into the spur and grab the cars. Though it wouldn't have been fun, it could have been done. An SD would never make that curve.
Hitch??!!?? Just for the record, if there was a problem coupling in a curve, there are tricks to accomplish this, that even old heads don't know.
ten zvonek je otřesnej
That spitter valve is going ape s#it
Cool
Welcome to Utica N.Y. Mr Turner...hang on to your hat you ain't seen nothing yet 👀
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The only beer that made me sick.
I could do this if I had my own train and a brewery near the RxR tracks and gas money and if I knew how to drive a locomotive. So what's the big deal?
Good cops doing good things! LOL. Thanks.
Did anyone else notice the strange green watch tower at the end of this video? It looks like a bird feeder. I wonder what purpose it serves?
It does not serve a purpose now, but was the location of a watchman who operated the street crossing gates years ago before the use of electrified crossing signals. I saw several in use where I grew up and then saw them be converted to approach initiated like most crossings are today as a train approaches the lights come on and gates come down if gates are present. The watchman could see the train traffic and street traffic from that vantage point.
Added this to places i never want to live.
How were those hoppers able to stay on the rails, on such tight, hairpin curves?