As an American living in Russia now, I can tell you that if you have face to face conversations with people (not internet chats), almost everyone knows the news is propaganda. This includes all classes and education levels. If you ask Americans if they are under propaganda most people say no. Although the media in the US strangely unites around most wars
Mass disinformation going on. Anyone who says there's no propaganda, or says only one side does it is mind numbingly unaware. Or... being factious on purpose and acting stupid.
it's because our population is indoctrinated to believe that "private enterprise = freedom". so nobody views the media here as propaganda because they think "oh its a private company why would they lie for the government". People don't realize that those private companies are beholden to the industries that manufacture weapons, pharmaceuticals, the finance industry, etc through advertising contracts. the same people who have bought the government, which turns them into essentially a mouthpiece for those fascistic interests. it's the insidiousness of capitalism, large-scale oppression masked by the illusion of "freedom"
As a russian myself writing this comment straight from Moscow I totally agree. Every single person I know is aware of propaganda. Still I can assume that the only kind of people who thinks that they are out of the scope of propaganda he could have talked to are people who don't watch TV mostly consuming news from youtube and such. For some reason they tend to think that if they are not watching federal channels and news they won't get brainwashed. The other interesting thing is the definition of propaganda itself. I've met full grown up and well-educated individuals saying something like " I know better cause I watch BBC / CNN / some random youtube blogger and they / he is telling the real truth "
Love the clip starting out with Lex talking about propaganda. "Everyone is convinced that anyone who disagrees with them is only convinced of that because of propaganda. While simultaneously being confident that they themselves are not under the influence of propaganda." That idea explains so many of our problems with communication today.
To play devil's advocate... All of American and European media has been insisting this entire time that Russia is losing horribly and Ukraine is winning fantastically. Russian media has said that Russia is winning. Now, over the past several days, European and American media have become much more dire with their outlook of Ukrainian victory, and they are admitting that the Russian military is making significant gains and winning significant victories. There are plenty of journalists, including some stationed in Eastern Ukraine, who went from mocking Russian forces to panic and gloom and doom in just 24 hours. So... Which media sources were closer to the truth there? Edit- Russian media also maintained that there were biolabs funded by the Pentagon operating in Ukraine. Western media denied that. But then American government officials admitted it.
I find it very amusing that even Lex is finding it hard to not overanalyse something he has absolutely no information on which is the actual mental state of putin and his inner circle. 🤡 The civil war with some russian involvement had been going on since around 2014, did Putin seriously have that little info on how they would respond? With how easy it is to insert spies in Ukraine? I appreciate that Lex is an academic mind who is an expert in many fields but the nuances, pros and cons of certain ways of waging war in the midst of a full on global disinformation campaign probably eludes him.
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@@scottlosey4978 it’s even more difficult when the. Western media with over $15 billion to spend on wall to wall propaganda, lying and demonising anyone who resists their war machine. RT only spends $250 million per year. Their secret weapon is they tell the truth.
It's always interesting to watch people talking about things they think they understand (in this case Russia, Russians in general, Putin, Ukraine, Zelensky), and completely miss the fact that they look at their conversation's subjects through a glass prism of their own biased views on the world. In this case, obviously, a very American view. Same thing happens here in Russia, when people talk about the US. I'd love to see Joe Rogan interview an American citizen and a real Russian citizen (I mean someone living in Russia, not someone like Lex who is basically American since 11 y.o. and therefore has a very distorted view on modern Russians), and see them clash (peacefully of course). That would be a very eye-opening experience for everyone I think.
I am sorry for a lack of clear thinking from me about this crisis. It is too personal at this time, I have family in both places, and all I can think about is the fear, suffering, anger, and hate I see and hear directly from people I love on both sides. I constantly feel that I'm failing them and myself. I wish I was smarter or could understand the situation deeper. Please instead listen to people much more intelligent than me, for example the two I interviewed recently who give differing perspectives on this war: - Oliver Stone: czcams.com/video/ygAqYC8JOQI/video.html - Stephen Kotkin: czcams.com/video/2a7CDKqWcZ0/video.html
I wish you would address how currupt Ukraine is and how that relates to the Biden administration. Also how western countries are sending so much funding for this war it's nearly a NATO proxy war Edit: also how trumps phone call with Ukraine caused his impeachment and contributed to him losing the election.
it's really hard to know their own biases. Most things we encounter are constituted in a way we haven't formulated in our head yet, so before we even make a conscious observation, we bring bias into it
Jibber jabber back n forth lol My favorite : joe Rogan (probably a legitimate propagandist by now) says “especially when a leader assassinates his enemies” coming from an American that just killed oh idk a couple million people in Iraq just cause saddam was an enemy of bush hahahhaha we didn’t only assasinate our enemy but then all the millions of people living innocently in the country next to our enemy.
They were probably stoned before the interview...as usual with lex....his views are feeding to what the CZcams algorithm allows him. Not a hero, not a wise person...he's a kid
@@kevinrhoades9531 lex is usually stoned before interviews? who said he was a hero? who is wise, in your opinion? what age is someone not a kid anymore? and what is the significance of age with respect to wisdom? do all old (wise) people have the same opinions and outlook on world events?
On one side he's talking about paranoid Putin, on the other side he's ignoring the fact that NATO in Ukraine was a red line for the entire Russia including Putin's opponents (for example even Navalny was for Crimea annexation) which was confirmed by todays CIA chief W. Burns 10+ years ago. So Lex is full of S.
@@vasiakosovan6957 so anyone who disagrees with the government's actions should take off and leave? Sounds a lot like Russian, pro-Putin crowd: "Не нравится Россия -- вали в США!"
@@adrianalexandrov7730 have Have you ever heard about sarcasm? The author of the comment says that the US has democracy issues(which is true), but we can’t compare these to what Russia has. How much will it take to be placed in prison if you go in Russia with a white piper to the center of any city in Russia? Is is already allowed to say the word “war” in Russia? Is allowed to say any opinion that is opposite to what government says?
I'm often struck by how brilliant, educated people are still limited and controlled by their own ideological capture. So that they can only see everything from a one sided view. And almost no one knows this about themselves. Case in point.
Lex is a perfect example for this - believes what he wants to believe. Acting like Ukraine has no Nazis killing their own people and not even mentioning it. He has emotional/poetical/romantical views who fits his ideology more than reflecting on himself and understanding that the world isn't black and white, bad guys/good guys.
@@JonnyK595 Really, are you referring to the Azov battalion? That seem s to be the only reference you Nazi conspiracist’s can come up with. Do you know how many members Azov has? Like 900 volunteer men which has dwindled down over the years since 2014. Now you are going to tell me that Russia is threatened from a group of 900 volunteer Nazis that call themselves Azov? Okay so even if they have some neo Nazi beliefs there are 900 of them in a country with a population of 44,000,000 people. Now do you call that a powerful movement which merits the invasion of a country? NO it is a propaganda plot by Putin to brainwash you into think there is a country full of Nazis. There is not, there are mostly peaceful people living in Ukraine and they didn’t ask for Russia to come save them from the 900 so called neo nazis.
Joe needs to sit down with a person who actually knows about Russia and Ukraine. The understanding isn’t any different from the typical MSM, and it’s naive.
I thought about this as well, but it must be because he might get canceled so he plays the Democrat side of things. Because I can go on there and say all the things people want to hear on Ukraine for sure
Yeah can't help feeling Lex doesn't know as much people expect him to. He's just reiterating the whole west vs east spiel and adding zero depth to any of Joe's takes. Joe came out of this none the wiser for sure.
Not well. I doubt Lex even knows what BRICS stands for, yet he's talking about a miscalculation by Putin. In two-years' time we'll be talking about the end of the petrodollar and dollar hegemony. And the worst part will be we did NOTHING to stop it because everyone in the West was too wrapped up in the anti-Russia propaganda to notice what was happening.
Yeah, Ukraine leans towards "democracy"! What a joke. The opposition is literally BANNED in Ukraine, current regime came into power in a COUP, country is being ran by executive orders- a real democracy indeed! They literally don't have sovereignty or anything. Poroshenko was INSTALLED. This Lex guy smirking when mentioning what Russia is (if not democracy) should maybe explain how is democracy functioning in America. 6 January was considered A COUP and people are being arrested and sentenced to years in prison. In Ukranian coup 100 people were killed (both protesters and police officers) and American establishment calls it DEMOCRACY. WOW, just WOW!
@@apothe6 we might not be the most evil empire, but don’t act like we don’t do terrible shit for ourselves. We worship money and power over here in the US, we are just better than most at getting it done. Is that evil? It’s up to our victims to decide.
I love what a romantic Lex is regarding their discussion on aliens and advanced civilizations...not knowing the answer to everything allows us to have a more beautiful human experience... in essence..I live both these guys but Lex is pure love
Yeah Joe is adding that when people can't find their own meaning they look for a strong man to provide them the vision. Jesus prob was an average guy at his day but he created something that lead people for 2000 years. Elon Musk today is providing a vision of going to mars, maybe it will not be appreciated today , but in 1000 years his idea or him directly will be regarded as a GOD. And there will be a mythical story told to raise him even beyond the mere human that he was. Giving people a vision and a meaning which can last them for thousands of years very few people can do something like that. Him managing to create Tesla and Space X will serve as the real foundation that if you put your mind to it and work really really hard you can achieve it. That's what people want and need. We just need a good compelling story and if it's based on reality even better. Elon Musk could have failed his third launch could have crashed and destroyed both his companies that day , he would be regarded as nobody today as a charlatan.
@@joeroganpodfantasy42 You haven't seen the epilogue to that story yet though, its only halfway through. He's a visionary to be sure, but his vison doesn't align with the common folk at all.
@@asmosisyup2557 who cares about the common folk , and what they want , they don't know what they want until you show it to them. Steve Jobs did that , Henry Ford did that. They make/impose their world view to the common folk world. The common folk probably just wanted a faster horse back in the day and a better telegraph. They got the iPhone and the Automobile. Today the common folk loves their iphone and cars. I am gonna assume you also believe in democracy right?
@E a quick example is when Joe asks about the factions within Ukraine, Lex talks about the pro-European element to the West and pro-Russian element to the East. No mention of Azov who are in the East and are very strongly pro-Ukraine (amongst potentially other ideologies). No mention of the Crimean Tatars who were displaced by the Russians during the USSR and again after the 2014 annexation. It's more complicated than there just being an East/West divide and Lex breezes over this. I hadn't heard of him before watching this video so no idea on his politics.
Lex is like lets talk about what we can understand by how all these complicated facts interact and Joe cuts him off by asking, "what do you think of this famous conspiracy theorists opinion?"
Since he keeps bringing up India liking Putin, let me, an Indian, clarify certain things (of course I do not claim to represent all Indians and this is my view only). India/Indians have a historical liking towards American society (liberty, wealth, rationality, science, movies etc) but a simultaneous distrust towards their government (for their support for British empire, Pakistani and Afghani jihadis, apartheid S. Africa etc plus their constant need to put down our aspirations eg sanctions and assassinations for nuclear testing, interference in Kashmir issue etc). We may or may not like Putin, but we do support the Russian people and the Russian state for they have been a long-standing ally (especially for military/arms support, including their support for India in the 1971 war when USA+uk sent their fleets to enforce the genocide and mass rape of my people, the Bengalis, by Pakistan). Moreover, India has traditionally been in favour of a global status quo (as opposed to a unipolar world, whether led by either Russia/China/USA) that allows smaller, developing nations to have a political say/value, instead of being steamrolled by a hegemonic power. Ukraine itself aided Pakistan with offensive weapons. Hence, we Indians are rather hesitant to unnecessarily throw in our lot with the NATO. That being said, we do not hate/dislike Americans/Russians/Ukrainians, we love all of you + nor do we have any special liking for any particular western politician (though we do appreciate if they recognize us as a equal partner and show interest in developing a relationship with us).
Hahah... such naive thinking... usa government is corrupt but the worst elements come from the globalists..globalism has taken over the majority of countries. China is far worse in most ways than USA.... be real
Notice how Joe mirror Lex's communication style. He slows down, stays calm, keeps his tone neutral, never interrupts. He does it with his other guests too, but it only shows how on point his social awareness is. Love these two together.
He is very skilled at meeting his guests where they’re at. Unfortunately many of his tribal-minded listeners see this as pandering, being weak, and a chameleon morphing to his guests opinions.
We are, we all are. we can openly disagree and complain and protest and go against the propaganda and try to convince others that our view is correct. It may be an uphill challenge, but we can (that is what these two are doing). Can you say the same for other systems? Can you even answer this question honestly publicly?
@@felipefehlberg my wife is Russian and we live in Russia. In Russia they in Russia, discuss and debate and have opinions, just as in the west, they just can’t vocalize overthrowing Putin or something very serious. But there is plenty of open dialogue, This myth started in Thr west doesn’t hold water to reality. One more thing, Russia is not the Soviet Union, policies of the Soviet Union are not the policies of Russia, this is another fundamental misunderstanding from the west. You want to talk about speaking openly and freely in the west??? What happened to Snowden and Julian assuage and Chelsea manning and jfk and Bobby Kennedy? You think you have free speech in the west?? Really??
I'm from Moldova (have family in ukraine and russia) but live in the US now and I see the crazy propaganda every single day from all 4 countries. For years they were BS-ing about the virus and now about the war...
Zelensky rating dropped not because of devision between East and West of the country, it actually became more united. It dropped because of questionable reforms, corruption, etc - pretty much we can say this about any country including US.
exactly, thats why at the end of the day you have to pick a side and support it. Western or Eastern way of life, with all the flaws the west has its still an obvious choice for me.
@@cshepard09 it is clear to me. I lived in both and can compare it. Even with all its flaws West is thousands times better than Eastern dictatorship corruption. It can be very long conversation with all underlying facts and explanations, but comment on CZcams is not the place for it.
@@cshepard09 No, you dont have to pick a side. this is a big problem in society and social media makes big use of this mindset. Start to think on your own and see that both russia AND ukraine is scum coujntries.
The reality is that Zelensky is bankrolled by a select few oligarchs. (Especially the owners of London Real Estate) If the west and 'World Bank' really cared they would clear the debt or interest. But nope, the west wants Ukraine to spend on weaponry!
honest.. what makes you say that? He was in Ukraine for weeks but never showed any video, why? He wants the glory of interviewing a war criminal, that's sickening.
He literally didn't give any facts in this entire clip. His analysis of the situation? "Pro-Ukraine vs pro-Russia." No mention of Christianity, western liberalism, NATO, US overthrow of the government, Jewish oligarchs on every side of the borders.
@Nick Phelan yeah I was about to correct you but I read the entire message. I'm not even putting North Korea on the list because if we didn't interfere I believe North Korea and South Korea would work out a working relationship but we are there to always divide people from their people and we are number one. Do we actually vote for president or we vote for a figurehead? It appears like if we are interfering with Somalia for decades yet we don't have the same president for decades and that can go towards Afghanistan but yet the presidents change and things stay the same. They feed us rhetoric and they divide us just like they do with Thailand and China and Korea and even in Ukraine. More countries are telling us to stay away and we are looked at as the enemy with the path of ending up in a corner but hey we still have NATO.
IMHO the best source of information is to come and see for yourself. I'm a sailor, so I've travelled around the world and seen some things. Last time I've been to Syria we had some main engine malfunction, so we had to stay here for a while. During this time we were visiting several locations. There was an event in a town we were passing by. US marines checkpoint was surrounded by locals and some of them were armed. People yelled and threw some junk at yanks. They were quite pissed at those USMC guys, probably not without a reason. Situation got quite explosive so marines had to get out of there. A week later in Tartus we saw several russian checkpoints here and there and you know what? People seemed to like them. I've asked some locals about what they think of those russian guys. One Syrian soldier told me a story about earlier time when they fought against ISIS. There was a small town attacked by a large ISIS force. The town itself had only few russian paratroopers protecting it for quite a while and they were completely surrounded and running low on everything. That Syrian soldier was a part of a relief force send to aid russians. They couldn't lift the siege for a long time and he was sure that those russians didn't make it. They dug in at some small factory administrative building, the whole territory was covered with bodies the building itself was almost razed to the ground. But to his amazement he found russians alive. There was a single guy still standing, most others were heavily wounded, those that managed to remain conscious were still holding guns even when they couldn't even walk. The remaining guy tied his squad with hand grenades and everyone there was ready to die, but they got saved. That Syrian soldier was touched by the fact that russians fought for his homeland literally to their last breath like it was their own. Damn, you can say all you want but I've been in that country myself and saw with my own eyes how locals admire and respect russians and I'm sure that you can understand why after this story. West treats those people like second sort and calls their home a third world country, on top of that US forces razed several cities to the ground. At the same time russian soldiers are ready to die for them.. Things I saw expose all that bunch of lies and hypocrisy we get from official media. I refuse to believe that russians treat Ukrainians worse since they are their kin. So if you want to know the real thing come and see it for yourself. By believing in what someone tells you're not getting any real knowledge, but only buy their opinions, as Alan Watts once said. Have a good one and may the waves be good where you are.
@@autemniaequinoctius2030 I know people from Donetsk for a long time. The city was surrounded and bombed daily since 2014 by Ukrainian army. I bet you weren't there at all. People died for years and every European government played a fool like nothing is happening. Obviously that means they took part in it. How naive one must be to expect them to tell the truth. Angela Merkel publicly stated that they never intended to follow Minsk agreement and it also was an act to give Ukraine time to prepare for war. The facts are all on the surface, common dude it's obvious.
@@darthbinks5987 I my own russian speaking from Donetsk Used to live there until the spring of 2015, I know the situation from the inside. Some areas were indeed under fire. However, the separatists were shelling Ukrainian positions from residential areas with residential buildings, behaving like terrorists In 2014, an insignificant number of people died, this number is completely incomparable to the number of Ukrainians killed by Russians in 2022, civilians, the number of civilian victims reaches 120 thousand. Russia is a terrorist state
Nice to hear a point of view from far away. There a a lot of things with that i dont agree but its realy good to know some thoughts from people far away
He’s too emotional about it, which is strange coming from him. I think he wish humbly wish he was Elon Musk, loved the sound of his own word and think highly of himself
@@KM-bn7dg Who’s that? Just watch any LF’s reaction to the war in Ukraine and you’ll see for yourself, you actually don’t need any telekinetic powers! But yeah, thanks for using my literal argument against me… ?
I love it ... Lex may be proven wrong already saying it was a mistake by Putin to invade ukraine .... remember the ukraine went through a coup in 2014 by the obama admin supported by Victoria nuland... the freely elected russua friendly janukovic was ousted ... seeing that NATO or the US was taking over putin took Crimea where putin has a military naval base .... putin now is trying to take possibly everything after zelensky said he wants nukes in his country right next to russia .... cuban missile crisis much .... etc ... NATO tried to do the same thing in Georgia and Georgia lost Ossetia and Abkhazia ... they tried to coup the dictator of kasachstan which failed ... now Putin controls luhansk and donbas regions while ukrain is having a hard time not losing everything.... It hax been a months since Lex has been interviewed here but maybe he already got the awful news from ukraine....
I have had a number of course on Prednisolone to treat my MS. Photos taken of me at the time definitely show my face swollen. I believe it is called 'moon face' and is one of the reactions to Prednisolone (NZ name for it) or Prednisone.
Sure you should hear what Zionists and white Apartheid South Africans have to say living in those governments for decades. I know, I was one of them until I got perspective living abroad. Your country is being slaughtered for war profit and empire. Good luck.
Lex, please explain the geopolitics of Ukraine without mentioning Christianity, western liberalism, or Jewish oligarchs. "Sure. It's pro-Ukraine vs pro-Russia."
Entirely agree. They know nothing about Ukraine. All their knowledge about Ukraine is based on information from English language media or based on Russian propaganda starting even from the beginning of the last century. Like ruzzia told there were no hunger in Ukraine in 1930s and all countries believed ruzzia. And once Ukraine wanted to tell the world about the hunger which was caused by ruzzia, a few countries believed and support Ukraine in that. I can tell that ruzzia did a very good job in terms of presenting Ukraine from abad perspective.
@@mnk5544 Indeed, Russia has invested a lot in propaganda. And the fact that Lex says that someone speaks some language and all the other basic theses of Russian propaganda is very funny. Because the only question is that they killed thousands of peaceful Ukrainians, raped thousands of children. Right now, when I write this, rockets are flying to Kyiv, simply because Putin does not like that Ukraine is a free country.
6:48 as someone who lived 10 years in Ukraine, it's always funny to see people who seem to know much say ''east side is for Russia and the west is for Ukraine''. I lived in Sumy, that's east of Ukraine, 80 km from Russia. And in my 10 years there I only heard some 65+ years old people positively talk about russia. Further, everyone was biased. But of course some places, as Donetsk, are more pro russian because the people who live there are russian... Because of the Holodomor, the femine russia created in ukraine in the 90's, many ukrainians died and russia placed russians there. Most of them were inmates who got a deal to live freely but work in the mines in Donetsk. Now the same thing is happening in Mariupol. Russia killed off many ukrainians, and is now rebuilding the city and placing russians there. And in some time will also say: Hey, look at that, mariupol citizens like russia. Ofcourse, because most are Russians LOL
holodomor is a propaganda. Georgian leader made mistakes and killed people in several republicks of USSR but it somehow now a genocide of Ukrainians. History....
Я сам с донетска, в 15ом году переехал в Днепр. Когда был в донетске, слышал много российской пропаганды и как они нас называли террористами. Но когда я переехал, в том числе мои родственники и друзья, никто из нас не поддерживал Россию. Только тетка моя, но она старая), и родилась в России при Советском союзе.
Lex has gone from a guest I skipped over because I didn't know anything about him whatsoever. He has, over the past 3 years, become one of the few commentators on any platform that I truly trust on their perspective. He is thoughtful and measured and compassionate while also being hyper reasonable. Tip of the cap to him in a sea of misinformation.
Yea glad he showed Joe that Ukraine was most corrupt in past under Russia and is now becoming freer across the board. Only Putin wants to make the two seem equal
@ Andrew It sounds like you have it backwards. Lex unmasked himself when he interviewed Albert Bourlas (CEO) of PFZR. Here he is spouting a bunch of pro Ukrainian Bullshtt. He doesn’t mention that Zelensky outlawed the Russian language (discriminating against ethnic Russia d in east Ukraine. He doesn’t mention the violence and terror that has been waged against them for 8 years. Nor does he mention that Zelensky outlawed his political opposition, basically shittin on any notion of a democracy in Ukraine. Lex might as well be in the CIA. He sounds exactly like them.
@7:35 Lex said "Zelensky united a previously divided country." Zelensky did not unite his country. The Russian speaking people of the Donbas have been targeted and warred against, continuously so from 2014 to 2022 when Putin intervened.
"The Double standards and the hypocrisy of this clip is unbelievable." Enlighten us on what reality is then please, don't just pout and not provide a solution.
@Ouchwitz Summer Camp LLC For you to assume I'm only on youtube makes you the simpleton. Stop arguing with imaginary people in your head. There are dozens of people complaining about Lex's "analysis, and they offer nothing in return of value. I guess that is too hard to do. I don't know why that is difficult for you, but okay. Actually, why are you even talking?
@@davidreese6519 I'm not here to enlighten you because i'm not enlightened myself, Just don't be biased and look at things outside of the box, if you don't see the double standards and the hypocrisy then it's your problem.
I don’t think it’s weak he’s just full of shot when it comes to Russia. Reall disappointing when so many people talk about telling the truth then use word salads like this bullshit answer. Like it’s propaganda that Russia is t invading Ukraine cause they wanted to join nato
i love how people from the states always have something to say about other people yet the usa had 300 years of history 299 years of war talking about a pathetic nation that profits from war
Dude the rest of world cares way more about the US than the other way around. If we stopped giving money and sending troops everywhere? People from other countries would complain that we are isolationists. I don’t want our country constantly involved in conflicts but there’s no way the rest of the world wouldn’t complain if we didn’t get involved. If there’s a tsunami, we’re expected to give most of the money and aid, BUT that same country doesn’t want us involved in their business. Most of our profits had nothing to do with wars. And at least we make money off of it. Other countries have had thousands of years of war and don’t have clean running water.
Lex has nothing to say except what the US mainstream media has been reporting for over a year now. All that talk is aimed at justifying the US coalition failure against Putin in Ukraine etc. it’s the US firehose of falsehoods
After all the guests that Lex have had. He seems to have such a shallow and limited view of the Ukrainian Russian situation. Joe must definitely get someone who really knows about this crisis. But again, Joe might not want to get in to it for real.
Lex is probably in a very complex situation when talking about Ukraine. Being Russian/Ukrainian/American he has his heart on all sides of the conflict I imagine.
Joe is interviewing him like he's an expert on the topic, but Lex is interviewing Oliver Stone to gain wisdom on the war, while Stone being an interviewer himself. This just shows where down the line Lex is on the topic and this podcast proved it.
I love how this guy critices propaganda and bias... then he tells us that the USA is a country that respects human rights haha each country fights for the interests of its own lobbies.. nothing else to say..
@Mosaab Again You're mistaken, I dont have any religious beliefs.. but back to the point.. i am fully aware that they want to dictate their doctrine to the rest of the world by force.. that was my point.. expantion and colonization always needs an ideology or a justification before it was religions, enlightenment... now at this age we're witnessing the democracy stage..
Lex is such a smart guy and seems to have a really good heart but seems to be somewhat naive when it comes to the hardness of the world and how much propaganda and disinformation there is out there (yes even in the West).
I cant stand the guy... XD Naivete? Seriously? In an adult with that level of intelectual capavilities? Do you know how many times google has throw his chanel to my face? To my horror dozens. A really unprecedented number of times in my sperience in CZcams so... On that alone I think this is a specially irronic interview of an actual propagandist XD
Of course it brought out the best in him. He won another election off the back of the War on Terror. Everything went to shit pretty quickly, but Bush did gain from 9/11.
I really appreciate Lex's approach (humility & open-mindedness), and I sympathize with what he must be going through being Russian/Ukrainian, but I can't help but feel he's totally missing the mark with the geopolitics and analysis
It's gotta be intentional. "I don't know why Putin's popular" is as damning a political statement as one can make. But the question "Why is Putin popular in Donbas, Ukraine?" leads to answers he doesn't want to hear.
@@waynzignordics Putin is also popular because he is fighting against rainbow propaganda. Obviously, Lex can not say it out loud (probably he just doesn't understand this aspect) while working at US university, or he would immediately lose his job if he would even try to hint at any truth in his "analysis".
I mean he started that both sides are under propaganda as if its some equality here were simple truth is that is one dictator country just attacked other killing and raping people, destroying buildings etc
You think you’re hearing an honest opinion, but actually falling for propaganda. Falling for it so hard that you’re praising his approach for its honesty.
I love when the guest is just about to make a really interesting point and Joe interrupts them to ask a question. Even better if they never get back around to the point they were about to make.
A very simplified explanation of a major geopolitical problem.. there are too many holes to cover..Joe should invite someone that know how to explain what is going on in Europe at the moment and how we arrived to be afraid of an atomic bomb attack in 2022...many people listen the podcast, they deserve a better and clear analysis.
I am a graphics designer and my daily job is figuring out how to get someone to buy this, get that feeling or do that thing. If you think there's no propaganda in our society, you're just misunderstanding the word marketing.
Propaganda exists, the difference is that in some places you have multiple competing propagandas which (ideally) provide information for people to make an informed decision, while in others there is only one voice. As a designer you should know the difference.
It's a funny thing. In my native language we don't have different words for advertising, marketing and (political) propaganda. There's only "propaganda", meaning all three of those things.
@@KM-bn7dg no he doesn't lol. Gave the most Luke warm CNN take. Ukraine's internal struggle sounded like a mild disagreement lol. No mention of their Nazis. No purpose to Ukraine? 8 years of bombing Russian people wasn't enough?
@@Max-pr1ii wow, what an insight, bravo 👏. It was corrupt, it is still corrupt now to a lesser extent though because people are really angry. We see corruption as collaboration now with the enemy
Still I think it's amazing that Lex can have a platform as big as his even with his Asperger's. He really puts himself out there even though it's apparent he has difficulty communicating normally. I love that guy
What's left to say after the Blood of Every Notable Army has been spilt on this Soil? Dead Fathers make Angry Sons. They can point in any direction and lay Rightful Blame for the situation there. Aside from Northeast, any direction of the Compass points to a group of people interested in it's control. London or Baghdad. Moskow, St Pete, Konigsberg or New Delhi, Beijing, Tokyo Washington DC, New York, Salt Lake City, Houston, Chicago....all for different reasons. Ukraine is stuck in the middle of a See Saw that has a seat for every Idiology History has Produced. Organized Religions and Governments have hated this place because it's people refuse to buy the propaganda. It's really easy to tell what is B.S. when you are privy to All the Narratives. How can Lex look at us all, and say that his parents or their parents were Lucky enough to Leave that Situation Behind? Smart Enough? Available to the CIA for debriefing? And not offend Aunts, Uncles, and cousins? Not disgrace the proud memory of those buried and gone. How do you tell the World not to pull the string again? How about we ask ourselves... how this man got his last name, then look back at the History written by all the propagandists, and be honest with ourselves.
Lex is always too afraid to do the research. That way he does not have to decide who is lying or just wrong and can pretend the views he likes the sound of are more correct. Opinions can never really be wrong unless they are based off of false information, and unfortunately most people refuse to look for the facts before creating an immutable opinion even in the face of new facts.
There is not much to disagree with. Lex offered general/main stream knowledge/thinking and no nuanced or challenged ideas. It’s like someone presenting themselves as an expert on tigers and then saying tigers have stripes..yeah we know that, what else?
@@Syv_ I can tell you that 5 minutes in, he brings up Oliver Stone yet doesn’t mention any single detail or historical fact from Stone’s documentary. Lex doesn’t seem to know much of anything, again, at the 5 minute mark. OK. He just mentioned that Ukraine’s government is corrupt, so that’s a start.
Think Lex got the narrative on internal conflicts in Ukraine wrong. The “pro-Russia” vs “pro-west” divide existed pre-2014, but since then (after Russia took Crimea and entered the war in the east to Ukraine) the public opinion was decisively western oriented, which is the platform on which Zelensky was elected by overwhelming majority. The decline in ratings was consequence of failing to deliver change, but not because the population disagreed on the course.
You are absolutely correct. This man got his info from when, 15 years ago? Also the statement about Ukraine regaining independence for the first time in hundreds of years is incorrect.
Democrat’s fault. Russian only warned that puppet Zelenskyy 100 times about having nato on their boarders. Let’s start promoting objectivity before the propaganda hammer takes over all of us
Since the civil war started a lot of the east are cut off from an opinion/vote and also since a lot have migrated to Russia, but look at interviews with civillians from Mariupol and other areas that have been liberated, they are massively in support of Russia. Furthermore if you are not in Russian controlled territory you will be captured/tortured/killed for Sharing 'pro-Russain' views. 'Since 2014 people suddenly changed their views' please... A lot of these people are just waiting to be rescued from the western controlled anus of Europe.
@@123natemans what reliable data shows this? Russian TV channels that need to justify the propaganda narrative? Can you point to any independent source that somehow polled a representative sample of people in Mariupol to support this? Whose language is “liberated?”
Lex is swinging on his chair while being mature. What a legend Also: You can only say what other people have said but don't know much in regards to original thoughts and research?
I am Ukrainian. What you're saying about Ukrainians thinking there is no propaganda in Ukraine is not true at all, infact we as a nation are always looking for "betrayal" inside our own government, there's so much fighting inside our own population and we rarely even trust each other, which is weird, but that's how we are. So with all due respect I don't think you're right.
@@kaaajeee yeah he's part of it. Though it's more about the nation itself, the army, not just one person. It helps to have that one person, though, since we need to create the brand so the governments of other countries help us. I don't think this kind of unity would be possible without this invasion. Now we even have our own "2nd amendment" coming in (today there was a national survey launched if we should have it).
Couple questions? If that’s okay, I’ve Just been wondering actual Ukrainian takes(and even if you are a “nationalist”, just speaking objectively as possible): do you believe this was inevitable & how much do you personally place the west’s influence at blame? This is unverified & I couldn’t get a reply from the person (they were also VERY pro-Russia so likely regurgitating their state media’s talking points) but they seem to feel Nationalists there both have heavily pressured Zalenskyy & also were equal or greater aggressors concerning the fighting in Crimea & the Donbas w/pro-Russian groups… guess what I’m asking is do you think zalenskyy is compromised by the west or nationalists at all? And how much would you say the in-fighting has played into this outside of just the NATO move? *oh and lastly, do you think maintaining Eurasian ties instead of having the move towards European/western ties in 2014 could’ve kept Ukraine independent? As in could Ukrainians-Rus ties have been kept in good standing without Putin attempting to assimilate your country back into his control/made it a Vassal government ?
We Slavs do have that in common. That is why, while living in Germany, I smelled bullshit even back in my school days (even back then they called me a Putin-lover) and particularly during the covid pandemic. Now people say that I am a "Schwurbler", a tinfoil-hat-wearing weirdo for not getting my shots, but I have the mistrust of the government ingrained in my Russo-ukrainian DNA.
What a great analyst that closes his eyes to gather his thought and then wonder why Putin is so popular. Probably because he cant analyse a shit outside his American way of thought (?) or even think that USA has an NDP (near death president) and all other nations wonders the same
FDR was ahead of his time with Fireside chats. Having a president actively recognizing its nation’s problems was huge for keeping trust in your government.
This clip should be used for entertainment purposes. There are a lot of assumptions in this conversation. I am Ukrainian and have Russian family members.
@@davidsbgr the answers in general are very vague. i would be more impressed if someone came on and brought facts from both sides... like for instance to mention that the Azov battalion were neo-nazis. Or that Ukraine banned Russian from being taught as the primary language in school. I mean, those things are pretty big, it's obvious you would lose a lot of support from Russian speaking areas if you banned their language from being taught...
@@Writeous0ne hahahah don't tell me you still believe that neo nazi bullshit. Meanwhile, Russia is full of Wagner members, even Putin's close people are tattooed SS members. Russia is there to steal oil, gas and food and literally nothing else. In 2012 Ukraine has found massive amounts of oil and gas, how conveniently, it's FuLL oF NAzIs and it needs to be DeNAziFIed hahahah...
a little disappointed of how little Lex still knows about the conflict. I'm sure it's just a matter of time/research. Keep up the questions/discussions guys.
He still wants to interview Putin so that being said he has to watch what he says and he has a podcast which predominantly is listen to by American's. So I think he is walking softly when speaking about this subject which can come across as lack of knowledge but in actuality he's just being as politically correct while trying not to offend either side.
Scott Ritter has work in the US military has extremely high credentials has been a human weapons inspector and is an expert in what’s been going on over there. m.czcams.com/video/OSkpIq3T-Zc/video.html
@@jamesyonge6480 I mean he called Putin strong, that’s definitely lack of knowledge. He inaccurate described “factions” in east vs west of Ukraine. In reality it’s not really like that. I know because I’m literally from there. There’s definitely a gap in knowledge and just a basic surface level “analysis” more of a super basic general discussion.
Strength is deceptive because the attributes of the weak are often perceived as strength by others. A fear response is to fight but is that strength or perceived necessity.
"Holy shit this segment killed half of my brain cells." Almost everyone on this forum is screaming about Lex but provide no insight on his errors. This also damages brain cells. Please expand on what they're missing, add value please.
@@davidreese6519 Lex is pretty much on point. Comments like these are everywhere war-related atm and they're just meant to confuse you, that's all that these bots really want.
@@davidreese6519 Watch Patrick Lancaster's coverage of all the shelling and missile attacks in Donbass, watch Gonzalo Lira, the Duran, Jimmy Dore, iEarlGrey and Scott Ritter for an alternate view of the MSM talking points that Friedman just regurgitated for 13 mins...
As an American living in Russia now, I can tell you that if you have face to face conversations with people (not internet chats), almost everyone knows the news is propaganda. This includes all classes and education levels. If you ask Americans if they are under propaganda most people say no. Although the media in the US strangely unites around most wars
Mass disinformation going on. Anyone who says there's no propaganda, or says only one side does it is mind numbingly unaware. Or... being factious on purpose and acting stupid.
Americans are far more brainwashed than the average Russian. Especially left leaning Americans. They uncritically accept everything on MSM.
as an american i can for sure say we are definitely under heavy propaganda all the time
it's because our population is indoctrinated to believe that "private enterprise = freedom". so nobody views the media here as propaganda because they think "oh its a private company why would they lie for the government". People don't realize that those private companies are beholden to the industries that manufacture weapons, pharmaceuticals, the finance industry, etc through advertising contracts. the same people who have bought the government, which turns them into essentially a mouthpiece for those fascistic interests.
it's the insidiousness of capitalism, large-scale oppression masked by the illusion of "freedom"
As a russian myself writing this comment straight from Moscow I totally agree. Every single person I know is aware of propaganda. Still I can assume that the only kind of people who thinks that they are out of the scope of propaganda he could have talked to are people who don't watch TV mostly consuming news from youtube and such. For some reason they tend to think that if they are not watching federal channels and news they won't get brainwashed.
The other interesting thing is the definition of propaganda itself. I've met full grown up and well-educated individuals saying something like " I know better cause I watch BBC / CNN / some random youtube blogger and they / he is telling the real truth "
Love the clip starting out with Lex talking about propaganda. "Everyone is convinced that anyone who disagrees with them is only convinced of that because of propaganda. While simultaneously being confident that they themselves are not under the influence of propaganda." That idea explains so many of our problems with communication today.
Imagine thinking something that has been done forever to populations everywhere isn’t being done to you.
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Americans are the most brainwashed and propagandized population on the planet
Lex: “The Russians think Russia has no propaganda.” (Then immediately begins to parrot US propaganda)
To play devil's advocate... All of American and European media has been insisting this entire time that Russia is losing horribly and Ukraine is winning fantastically.
Russian media has said that Russia is winning.
Now, over the past several days, European and American media have become much more dire with their outlook of Ukrainian victory, and they are admitting that the Russian military is making significant gains and winning significant victories.
There are plenty of journalists, including some stationed in Eastern Ukraine, who went from mocking Russian forces to panic and gloom and doom in just 24 hours.
So... Which media sources were closer to the truth there?
Edit- Russian media also maintained that there were biolabs funded by the Pentagon operating in Ukraine. Western media denied that. But then American government officials admitted it.
the absolute whiplash of lex making measured, thoughtful statements vs rogan speculating about putins cancer from a photo where he "looks puffy" 🤣🤣
Lex: Everyone is influenced by some kind of propoganda
Joe: So do you think Putin has cancer?
🤣 Indeed
Lol
This....
I find it very amusing that even Lex is finding it hard to not overanalyse something he has absolutely no information on which is the actual mental state of putin and his inner circle. 🤡
The civil war with some russian involvement had been going on since around 2014, did Putin seriously have that little info on how they would respond? With how easy it is to insert spies in Ukraine? I appreciate that Lex is an academic mind who is an expert in many fields but the nuances, pros and cons of certain ways of waging war in the midst of a full on global disinformation campaign probably eludes him.
Props-aganda…the BS Hollywood tells itself
There’s an alternate universe where Joe graduated from MIT and Lex has the biggest podcast in the world
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There's an alternate universe where the I'm the Taoiseach (Prime Minister) of Ireland
And the country is a hybrid between capitalism and socialism and life is great
Vote Oisín 1️⃣
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Lex went to Drexel
It's easier to convince someone of a lie than to convince them they've been lied to.
Mark Twain never got better.......
@@scottlosey4978 it’s even more difficult when the. Western media with over $15 billion to spend on wall to wall propaganda, lying and demonising anyone who resists their war machine.
RT only spends $250 million per year. Their secret weapon is they tell the truth.
@@scottlosey4978 ur a prime example
@@lzach804 lmao
True. I think people deep down know they’ve been lied to when confronted, they just don’t wanna look like they’ve been played which is understandable.
It's always interesting to watch people talking about things they think they understand (in this case Russia, Russians in general, Putin, Ukraine, Zelensky), and completely miss the fact that they look at their conversation's subjects through a glass prism of their own biased views on the world. In this case, obviously, a very American view.
Same thing happens here in Russia, when people talk about the US.
I'd love to see Joe Rogan interview an American citizen and a real Russian citizen (I mean someone living in Russia, not someone like Lex who is basically American since 11 y.o. and therefore has a very distorted view on modern Russians), and see them clash (peacefully of course). That would be a very eye-opening experience for everyone I think.
I am sorry for a lack of clear thinking from me about this crisis. It is too personal at this time, I have family in both places, and all I can think about is the fear, suffering, anger, and hate I see and hear directly from people I love on both sides. I constantly feel that I'm failing them and myself. I wish I was smarter or could understand the situation deeper. Please instead listen to people much more intelligent than me, for example the two I interviewed recently who give differing perspectives on this war:
- Oliver Stone: czcams.com/video/ygAqYC8JOQI/video.html
- Stephen Kotkin: czcams.com/video/2a7CDKqWcZ0/video.html
Love your work Sir. Thank you.
You could have interjected when Joe was sucking Putin off.
Sounds like you support American imperialism and Ukrainian fascism, check out my playlist Ukraine debunked
You’re the best bro keep you’re head up
I wish you would address how currupt Ukraine is and how that relates to the Biden administration. Also how western countries are sending so much funding for this war it's nearly a NATO proxy war
Edit: also how trumps phone call with Ukraine caused his impeachment and contributed to him losing the election.
Not only is it important to be aware of how much you're exposed to propaganda. It's important to be aware of your bias as well.
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@@hugow.5973 You fool😂😂😂 Go help them in Donbass you fool woke soy boy
yes like we are being exposed to anti Russian propaganda for years easy to see them as the villain they been called evil for 50 years
Our propaganda scares me more than Putins. I doubt this comment will even show up.
it's really hard to know their own biases. Most things we encounter are constituted in a way we haven't formulated in our head yet, so before we even make a conscious observation, we bring bias into it
“Political leader who assassinates his enemy’s”
U.S. Government: “we have an agency for that”
Yeah so does Russia unless you think Putin kills them himself
*enemies
@@JessmanChicken86 I'm sure you know what he said, people make mistakes.
Yes, the US have an agency for that. I remembered when Bill Clinton had Bob Dole assassinated and Barack Obama had Mitt Romney assassinated.
When podcasters interview each other.
Jibber jabber back n forth lol
My favorite : joe Rogan (probably a legitimate propagandist by now) says “especially when a leader assassinates his enemies” coming from an American that just killed oh idk a couple million people in Iraq just cause saddam was an enemy of bush hahahhaha we didn’t only assasinate our enemy but then all the millions of people living innocently in the country next to our enemy.
That's a whole lot of propaganda you just spewed out
@@Darknight127 you talking to me?
They look really stupid
Pretty generous to call this analysis. Lex has only a surface level of understanding of this crisis.
They were probably stoned before the interview...as usual with lex....his views are feeding to what the CZcams algorithm allows him. Not a hero, not a wise person...he's a kid
@@kevinrhoades9531 yes a kid whos teaching at MIT hes very dumb and uneducated. id like to know your credentials sir
That’s ok
He's a genius in the field of AI and tech, not so much geopolitics
@@kevinrhoades9531 lex is usually stoned before interviews? who said he was a hero? who is wise, in your opinion? what age is someone not a kid anymore? and what is the significance of age with respect to wisdom? do all old (wise) people have the same opinions and outlook on world events?
Today is the 8th year anniversary of the start of the war in Ukraine.
Yes. Ukraine start the genocide russians in Donbas. 26 may 2014
@@ilyaivanov9283 дамбілі бамбас восімь лєт
@@ilyaivanov9283 i have a lot of russian and russian speakers friend in Ukraine. There's no genocide!
@@user-cw1vx8ew8jLIES !!!!!
@@user-cw1vx8ew8j Don't waste time, he knows. He gets paid to spread propaganda.
On one side Lex talking about freedom and value of a human being in the US, on other side we have Snowden and Assange. Think about it.
On one side he's talking about paranoid Putin, on the other side he's ignoring the fact that NATO in Ukraine was a red line for the entire Russia including Putin's opponents (for example even Navalny was for Crimea annexation) which was confirmed by todays CIA chief W. Burns 10+ years ago. So Lex is full of S.
Why wouldn’t you leave USA and live in Russia?
@@vasiakosovan6957 Cause I don’t wanna freeze my ass off
@@vasiakosovan6957 so anyone who disagrees with the government's actions should take off and leave?
Sounds a lot like Russian, pro-Putin crowd: "Не нравится Россия -- вали в США!"
@@adrianalexandrov7730 have Have you ever heard about sarcasm? The author of the comment says that the US has democracy issues(which is true), but we can’t compare these to what Russia has. How much will it take to be placed in prison if you go in Russia with a white piper to the center of any city in Russia? Is is already allowed to say the word “war” in Russia? Is allowed to say any opinion that is opposite to what government says?
I dont know why I'm listening this guy about Ukraine and Russia. He knows as much as people who watch CNN.
I'm often struck by how brilliant, educated people are still limited and controlled by their own ideological capture. So that they can only see everything from a one sided view. And almost no one knows this about themselves. Case in point.
Lex is a perfect example for this - believes what he wants to believe. Acting like Ukraine has no Nazis killing their own people and not even mentioning it. He has emotional/poetical/romantical views who fits his ideology more than reflecting on himself and understanding that the world isn't black and white, bad guys/good guys.
If your the smartest person in the room. Your in the wrong room.
@@rainygirl65 *You're
@@JonnyK595 Really, are you referring to the Azov battalion? That seem s to be the only reference you Nazi conspiracist’s can come up with.
Do you know how many members Azov has? Like 900 volunteer men which has dwindled down over the years since 2014. Now you are going to tell me that Russia is threatened from a group of 900 volunteer Nazis that call themselves Azov? Okay so even if they have some neo Nazi beliefs there are 900 of them in a country with a population of 44,000,000 people. Now do you call that a powerful movement which merits the invasion of a country? NO it is a propaganda plot by Putin to brainwash you into think there is a country full of Nazis. There is not, there are mostly peaceful people living in Ukraine and they didn’t ask for Russia to come save them from the 900 so called neo nazis.
@@davetarrant6888 Conspiracy? Are you drunk? Adolf Hitler being a Nazi is also a Conspiracy for you?
The propaganda is certainly working perfectly if both populations are convinced they're not under any propaganda. 🤣🤣
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Especially when Americans say that there is no propaganda in USA
Yeah my pops never got brainwashed whatsoever at all in his life
Kind of makes you look back on your own life and question your beliefs.
@@goldengifts1193 I bet u atleast half our population believes there is my guy maybe even a good 75 percent.
When the people have a common enemy to fight, they stop fighting each other. History has proven this time and time again
which is why you need to create conflict
You should have all episodes on CZcams - it’s so much better to watch with the video
Joe needs to sit down with a person who actually knows about Russia and Ukraine. The understanding isn’t any different from the typical MSM, and it’s naive.
You're a bot and all your likes are from bots
I thought about this as well, but it must be because he might get canceled so he plays the Democrat side of things. Because I can go on there and say all the things people want to hear on Ukraine for sure
Yeah can't help feeling Lex doesn't know as much people expect him to. He's just reiterating the whole west vs east spiel and adding zero depth to any of Joe's takes. Joe came out of this none the wiser for sure.
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@NeillCrosskie So where do I go to get really informed about this issue? I want to learn.
Let's see how well this conversation ages in a couple years...
Not well. I doubt Lex even knows what BRICS stands for, yet he's talking about a miscalculation by Putin. In two-years' time we'll be talking about the end of the petrodollar and dollar hegemony. And the worst part will be we did NOTHING to stop it because everyone in the West was too wrapped up in the anti-Russia propaganda to notice what was happening.
Yeah, Ukraine leans towards "democracy"! What a joke. The opposition is literally BANNED in Ukraine, current regime came into power in a COUP, country is being ran by executive orders- a real democracy indeed! They literally don't have sovereignty or anything. Poroshenko was INSTALLED. This Lex guy smirking when mentioning what Russia is (if not democracy) should maybe explain how is democracy functioning in America. 6 January was considered A COUP and people are being arrested and sentenced to years in prison. In Ukranian coup 100 people were killed (both protesters and police officers) and American establishment calls it DEMOCRACY. WOW, just WOW!
Lex is a serpent
@@popeyeschickensandwich9307 Well, the serpents are truly exposing themselves. Let's just sit back, take notes and watch the show.
in a couple of months.... weeks?
Lex's attempt to rationalize this situation the way he is makes me feel he doesn't want to believe that we are the evil empire
We aren't lmao, grow up
@@apothe6 we might not be the most evil empire, but don’t act like we don’t do terrible shit for ourselves. We worship money and power over here in the US, we are just better than most at getting it done. Is that evil? It’s up to our victims to decide.
US is worst cancer ever to plague the earth, Russia is bad, but not nearly as bad as US
@@apothe6 hmm, 1 million Iraqis killed over a pointless war? They were murdered by US and allies.
@@apothe6 oh you sweet summer child. Grow up? how ironic
I love what a romantic Lex is regarding their discussion on aliens and advanced civilizations...not knowing the answer to everything allows us to have a more beautiful human experience... in essence..I live both these guys but Lex is pure love
Lex: Everyone is influenced by some kind of propoganda
Joe: Isnt there always a longing for a strong man?
lex: i have talked to some russians...
joe: ...have you heard of lsd?
@@ctx4241 lmao
Yeah Joe is adding that when people can't find their own meaning they look for a strong man to provide them the vision.
Jesus prob was an average guy at his day but he created something that lead people for 2000 years.
Elon Musk today is providing a vision of going to mars, maybe it will not be appreciated today , but in 1000 years his idea or him directly will be regarded as a GOD.
And there will be a mythical story told to raise him even beyond the mere human that he was.
Giving people a vision and a meaning which can last them for thousands of years very few people can do something like that.
Him managing to create Tesla and Space X will serve as the real foundation that if you put your mind to it and work really really hard you can achieve it.
That's what people want and need.
We just need a good compelling story and if it's based on reality even better.
Elon Musk could have failed his third launch could have crashed and destroyed both his companies that day , he would be regarded as nobody today as a charlatan.
@@joeroganpodfantasy42 You haven't seen the epilogue to that story yet though, its only halfway through. He's a visionary to be sure, but his vison doesn't align with the common folk at all.
@@asmosisyup2557 who cares about the common folk , and what they want , they don't know what they want until you show it to them.
Steve Jobs did that , Henry Ford did that.
They make/impose their world view to the common folk world.
The common folk probably just wanted a faster horse back in the day and a better telegraph.
They got the iPhone and the Automobile.
Today the common folk loves their iphone and cars.
I am gonna assume you also believe in democracy right?
This isn't analysis, Lex is just bumbling his way through stuff he seems to have a vague idea of but no detail or independent thought.
As the saying goes "he knows just enough to be dangerous".
He had a interview with Oliver Stone ...
Not having a go at you but it's a conversation not a lecture, people should obviously do their own fact checking no?
Typical Murican mumbling propaganda. He literally came on JRE and said a whole lot of NOTHING. what a tool.
@E a quick example is when Joe asks about the factions within Ukraine, Lex talks about the pro-European element to the West and pro-Russian element to the East. No mention of Azov who are in the East and are very strongly pro-Ukraine (amongst potentially other ideologies). No mention of the Crimean Tatars who were displaced by the Russians during the USSR and again after the 2014 annexation. It's more complicated than there just being an East/West divide and Lex breezes over this. I hadn't heard of him before watching this video so no idea on his politics.
well i wont have any problem falling asleep if I can play this clip every night.
Lex is like lets talk about what we can understand by how all these complicated facts interact and Joe cuts him off by asking, "what do you think of this famous conspiracy theorists opinion?"
Since he keeps bringing up India liking Putin, let me, an Indian, clarify certain things (of course I do not claim to represent all Indians and this is my view only). India/Indians have a historical liking towards American society (liberty, wealth, rationality, science, movies etc) but a simultaneous distrust towards their government (for their support for British empire, Pakistani and Afghani jihadis, apartheid S. Africa etc plus their constant need to put down our aspirations eg sanctions and assassinations for nuclear testing, interference in Kashmir issue etc). We may or may not like Putin, but we do support the Russian people and the Russian state for they have been a long-standing ally (especially for military/arms support, including their support for India in the 1971 war when USA+uk sent their fleets to enforce the genocide and mass rape of my people, the Bengalis, by Pakistan). Moreover, India has traditionally been in favour of a global status quo (as opposed to a unipolar world, whether led by either Russia/China/USA) that allows smaller, developing nations to have a political say/value, instead of being steamrolled by a hegemonic power. Ukraine itself aided Pakistan with offensive weapons. Hence, we Indians are rather hesitant to unnecessarily throw in our lot with the NATO. That being said, we do not hate/dislike Americans/Russians/Ukrainians, we love all of you + nor do we have any special liking for any particular western politician (though we do appreciate if they recognize us as a equal partner and show interest in developing a relationship with us).
Long live BRICS, I hope india gets closer to Russia and China to overthrow usa global hegemony
Thank you for your input, very interesting to see your point of view.
Every nation is innocent compared to USA
Hahah... such naive thinking... usa government is corrupt but the worst elements come from the globalists..globalism has taken over the majority of countries. China is far worse in most ways than USA.... be real
The United States made the European empires give their subjects independence, I'm not sure what you're talking about...
Notice how Joe mirror Lex's communication style. He slows down, stays calm, keeps his tone neutral, never interrupts. He does it with his other guests too, but it only shows how on point his social awareness is. Love these two together.
He is very skilled at meeting his guests where they’re at. Unfortunately many of his tribal-minded listeners see this as pandering, being weak, and a chameleon morphing to his guests opinions.
mmm
A bunch of hot air that didn’t say anything significant
thats why joe is the best podcaster/interviewer
@@NastyDHL Who cares. He makes money off of them.
It was nice to see Bustamante take Lex to school in this arena
My opinion for what its worth:
Tucker: Good on you for doing it.
Putin: Not impressed with the responses "flat", uninspiring.
I am sure many Americans & Europeans think that they are not influenced by propaganda too 😂😂
I am American and live in Europe, the propaganda is inescapable! It’s everywhere. And increasingly difficult to find a grain of truth.
We are, we all are. we can openly disagree and complain and protest and go against the propaganda and try to convince others that our view is correct. It may be an uphill challenge, but we can (that is what these two are doing).
Can you say the same for other systems? Can you even answer this question honestly publicly?
Nope, Most Americans actually distrust the media.
Do some research before you open your mouth, Ivan.
@@felipefehlberg my wife is Russian and we live in Russia. In Russia they in Russia, discuss and debate and have opinions, just as in the west, they just can’t vocalize overthrowing Putin or something very serious. But there is plenty of open dialogue, This myth started in Thr west doesn’t hold water to reality.
One more thing, Russia is not the Soviet Union, policies of the Soviet Union are not the policies of Russia, this is another fundamental misunderstanding from the west.
You want to talk about speaking openly and freely in the west??? What happened to Snowden and Julian assuage and Chelsea manning and jfk and Bobby Kennedy? You think you have free speech in the west?? Really??
I'm from Moldova (have family in ukraine and russia) but live in the US now and I see the crazy propaganda every single day from all 4 countries. For years they were BS-ing about the virus and now about the war...
Zelensky rating dropped not because of devision between East and West of the country, it actually became more united. It dropped because of questionable reforms, corruption, etc - pretty much we can say this about any country including US.
exactly, thats why at the end of the day you have to pick a side and support it. Western or Eastern way of life, with all the flaws the west has its still an obvious choice for me.
Hey Vatnik
@@cshepard09 it is clear to me. I lived in both and can compare it. Even with all its flaws West is thousands times better than Eastern dictatorship corruption. It can be very long conversation with all underlying facts and explanations, but comment on CZcams is not the place for it.
@@cshepard09 No, you dont have to pick a side. this is a big problem in society and social media makes big use of this mindset. Start to think on your own and see that both russia AND ukraine is scum coujntries.
The reality is that Zelensky is bankrolled by a select few oligarchs. (Especially the owners of London Real Estate)
If the west and 'World Bank' really cared they would clear the debt or interest. But nope, the west wants Ukraine to spend on weaponry!
Considering Lex's personal bias he is very fair minded. He's still somewhat wrong, but honest which is huge in 2023.
honest.. what makes you say that? He was in Ukraine for weeks but never showed any video, why? He wants the glory of interviewing a war criminal, that's sickening.
@@bradzdanivsky journalism requires doing distasteful things
@@bradzdanivsky which one? Putin or zelensky?
Every time he closes his eyes you know he’s about to spit some 🔥 facts!!
I just want Lex to tell me bedtime stories 🥰
dude which facts? Please enlighten me.
Or lies!
He literally didn't give any facts in this entire clip. His analysis of the situation? "Pro-Ukraine vs pro-Russia." No mention of Christianity, western liberalism, NATO, US overthrow of the government, Jewish oligarchs on every side of the borders.
@@brianashcroft1924 he has zero actual clue.
How are you going to talk about propaganda when you're not going to include the United States number one ranking on the list
Right?
@Nick Phelan yeah I was about to correct you but I read the entire message. I'm not even putting North Korea on the list because if we didn't interfere I believe North Korea and South Korea would work out a working relationship but we are there to always divide people from their people and we are number one. Do we actually vote for president or we vote for a figurehead? It appears like if we are interfering with Somalia for decades yet we don't have the same president for decades and that can go towards Afghanistan but yet the presidents change and things stay the same. They feed us rhetoric and they divide us just like they do with Thailand and China and Korea and even in Ukraine. More countries are telling us to stay away and we are looked at as the enemy with the path of ending up in a corner but hey we still have NATO.
He said western propaganda in Ukraine, what do you think he is talking about? Does he really have to spell it out for you?
This is a badass week of Rogan. Funny comedy with DiStefano, enlightenment with Brennan, and now this fucking philosophical robot. Damn!!!!
czcams.com/video/bev-dLoM4lc/video.html Finally its here
lol he IS so damn robotic, but I'm starting to get past that. Kind of like him
And the greatest comic of all time last week Brendan Schaub!!!!
Robot, perfect name for him
If we’re being grammatically correct, Chris Distefano and badass don’t belong in the same paragraph.
IMHO the best source of information is to come and see for yourself. I'm a sailor, so I've travelled around the world and seen some things. Last time I've been to Syria we had some main engine malfunction, so we had to stay here for a while. During this time we were visiting several locations. There was an event in a town we were passing by. US marines checkpoint was surrounded by locals and some of them were armed. People yelled and threw some junk at yanks. They were quite pissed at those USMC guys, probably not without a reason. Situation got quite explosive so marines had to get out of there. A week later in Tartus we saw several russian checkpoints here and there and you know what? People seemed to like them. I've asked some locals about what they think of those russian guys. One Syrian soldier told me a story about earlier time when they fought against ISIS. There was a small town attacked by a large ISIS force. The town itself had only few russian paratroopers protecting it for quite a while and they were completely surrounded and running low on everything. That Syrian soldier was a part of a relief force send to aid russians. They couldn't lift the siege for a long time and he was sure that those russians didn't make it. They dug in at some small factory administrative building, the whole territory was covered with bodies the building itself was almost razed to the ground. But to his amazement he found russians alive. There was a single guy still standing, most others were heavily wounded, those that managed to remain conscious were still holding guns even when they couldn't even walk. The remaining guy tied his squad with hand grenades and everyone there was ready to die, but they got saved. That Syrian soldier was touched by the fact that russians fought for his homeland literally to their last breath like it was their own. Damn, you can say all you want but I've been in that country myself and saw with my own eyes how locals admire and respect russians and I'm sure that you can understand why after this story. West treats those people like second sort and calls their home a third world country, on top of that US forces razed several cities to the ground. At the same time russian soldiers are ready to die for them.. Things I saw expose all that bunch of lies and hypocrisy we get from official media. I refuse to believe that russians treat Ukrainians worse since they are their kin. So if you want to know the real thing come and see it for yourself. By believing in what someone tells you're not getting any real knowledge, but only buy their opinions, as Alan Watts once said. Have a good one and may the waves be good where you are.
So, you weren't in Ukraine in 2022 and you haven't seen tge war of Russians against Ukrainians with your own eyes
@@autemniaequinoctius2030 I know people from Donetsk for a long time. The city was surrounded and bombed daily since 2014 by Ukrainian army. I bet you weren't there at all. People died for years and every European government played a fool like nothing is happening. Obviously that means they took part in it. How naive one must be to expect them to tell the truth. Angela Merkel publicly stated that they never intended to follow Minsk agreement and it also was an act to give Ukraine time to prepare for war. The facts are all on the surface, common dude it's obvious.
@@darthbinks5987
I my own russian speaking from Donetsk
Used to live there until the spring of 2015, I know the situation from the inside. Some areas were indeed under fire. However, the separatists were shelling Ukrainian positions from residential areas with residential buildings, behaving like terrorists
In 2014, an insignificant number of people died, this number is completely incomparable to the number of Ukrainians killed by Russians in 2022, civilians, the number of civilian victims reaches 120 thousand. Russia is a terrorist state
I honestly think that Russian soldiers stayed there only because a huge logistics issues ;)
@@autemniaequinoctius2030 u right, am from rus, st. P
Nice to hear a point of view from far away. There a a lot of things with that i dont agree but its realy good to know some thoughts from people far away
Always enjoy lex talks, but his level of knowledge in this matter is really limited.
He’s too emotional about it, which is strange coming from him. I think he wish humbly wish he was Elon Musk, loved the sound of his own word and think highly of himself
Hes completely ignorant.
@@vmon215 You don't need knowledge in war kiddo. A blind man can tell that Putin is a fcking joke
@@jbdemarest9913 …. Are you a mind reader? You all sound like you wish you were Elon Musk.
@@KM-bn7dg Who’s that?
Just watch any LF’s reaction to the war in Ukraine and you’ll see for yourself, you actually don’t need any telekinetic powers! But yeah, thanks for using my literal argument against me… ?
"Smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons." - Michael Shermer
“It is only when mosquito land on your balls that you realize there is a way to solve problems without using violence.”
-Confucius
I love it ... Lex may be proven wrong already saying it was a mistake by Putin to invade ukraine .... remember the ukraine went through a coup in 2014 by the obama admin supported by Victoria nuland... the freely elected russua friendly janukovic was ousted ...
seeing that NATO or the US was taking over putin took Crimea where putin has a military naval base ....
putin now is trying to take possibly everything after zelensky said he wants nukes in his country right next to russia .... cuban missile crisis much .... etc ...
NATO tried to do the same thing in Georgia and Georgia lost Ossetia and Abkhazia ...
they tried to coup the dictator of kasachstan which failed ...
now Putin controls luhansk and donbas regions while ukrain is having a hard time not losing everything....
It hax been a months since Lex has been interviewed here but maybe he already got the awful news from ukraine....
@@2K9s im fucking ded
@@2K9s 😂😂😂
@@2K9s 10/10 comment 👏👏👏
I have had a number of course on Prednisolone to treat my MS. Photos taken of me at the time definitely show my face swollen. I believe it is called 'moon face' and is one of the reactions to Prednisolone (NZ name for it) or Prednisone.
Now that's how you waste 14mins of your life boys
US's respect for human right.. IS PROPAGANDA ! damn it, remember Yemen ? Afghanistan ? Irak ? Somalia ? Ethiopia ? ...
US propaganda machine is no doubt the strongest.
Yup
Depleted uranium in Iraq which is forbidden. Illegal treatment war prisoners, torture etc. Etc etc
@@daniel_960_ Most effective probably in the history of humanity
The list goes on and on... sadly... and still, people buy into that crap, and always will, it's just what people are like, everywhere..
13 minutes?!
That's not enough time for lex to finish a sentence.
Gold
Neil De Gass Titan has entered the continent
Almost got over your attention span limit of 15min per day, did we?
We got the gist of it. Big brain lex stands with ukraine🤧
Jordan Peterson will spend 30 minutes addressing the question "How are you?"
I was born in Ukraine and have been living in it for 27 years. Lex is good at what he does, but all his analytics about Ukraine is very funny.
Sure you should hear what Zionists and white Apartheid South Africans have to say living in those governments for decades. I know, I was one of them until I got perspective living abroad. Your country is being slaughtered for war profit and empire. Good luck.
Lex is a shill. More of a puppet than a man.
Lex, please explain the geopolitics of Ukraine without mentioning Christianity, western liberalism, or Jewish oligarchs. "Sure. It's pro-Ukraine vs pro-Russia."
Entirely agree. They know nothing about Ukraine. All their knowledge about Ukraine is based on information from English language media or based on Russian propaganda starting even from the beginning of the last century. Like ruzzia told there were no hunger in Ukraine in 1930s and all countries believed ruzzia. And once Ukraine wanted to tell the world about the hunger which was caused by ruzzia, a few countries believed and support Ukraine in that. I can tell that ruzzia did a very good job in terms of presenting Ukraine from abad perspective.
@@mnk5544 Indeed, Russia has invested a lot in propaganda. And the fact that Lex says that someone speaks some language and all the other basic theses of Russian propaganda is very funny. Because the only question is that they killed thousands of peaceful Ukrainians, raped thousands of children. Right now, when I write this, rockets are flying to Kyiv, simply because Putin does not like that Ukraine is a free country.
6:48 as someone who lived 10 years in Ukraine, it's always funny to see people who seem to know much say ''east side is for Russia and the west is for Ukraine''. I lived in Sumy, that's east of Ukraine, 80 km from Russia. And in my 10 years there I only heard some 65+ years old people positively talk about russia. Further, everyone was biased.
But of course some places, as Donetsk, are more pro russian because the people who live there are russian... Because of the Holodomor, the femine russia created in ukraine in the 90's, many ukrainians died and russia placed russians there. Most of them were inmates who got a deal to live freely but work in the mines in Donetsk.
Now the same thing is happening in Mariupol. Russia killed off many ukrainians, and is now rebuilding the city and placing russians there.
And in some time will also say: Hey, look at that, mariupol citizens like russia. Ofcourse, because most are Russians LOL
holodomor is a propaganda.
Georgian leader made mistakes and killed people in several republicks of USSR but it somehow now a genocide of Ukrainians. History....
Я сам с донетска, в 15ом году переехал в Днепр. Когда был в донетске, слышал много российской пропаганды и как они нас называли террористами. Но когда я переехал, в том числе мои родственники и друзья, никто из нас не поддерживал Россию. Только тетка моя, но она старая), и родилась в России при Советском союзе.
You lie like neo nazi
I wonder if Lex ever thinks about how much propaganda has wormed its way into his brain.
Yeah I’ve heard a few things from him that doesn’t add up. Like repeating certain untrue things about Germany and WWII.
He is a perfect guest for Rogan. This is the intent of the whole show: a maskerade.
Yeah US propaganda. Unable to look this war objectively, only pushing CNN talking points.
@@xtimemachinex like what may I ask
Lex has gone from a guest I skipped over because I didn't know anything about him whatsoever. He has, over the past 3 years, become one of the few commentators on any platform that I truly trust on their perspective. He is thoughtful and measured and compassionate while also being hyper reasonable. Tip of the cap to him in a sea of misinformation.
Yea glad he showed Joe that Ukraine was most corrupt in past under Russia and is now becoming freer across the board. Only Putin wants to make the two seem equal
Lol, Lex is a stooge for the elite.
How smart is he? He seems scary smart.
@ Andrew It sounds like you have it backwards.
Lex unmasked himself when he interviewed Albert Bourlas (CEO) of PFZR.
Here he is spouting a bunch of pro Ukrainian Bullshtt.
He doesn’t mention that Zelensky outlawed the Russian language (discriminating against ethnic Russia d in east Ukraine. He doesn’t mention the violence and terror that has been waged against them for 8 years.
Nor does he mention that Zelensky outlawed his political opposition, basically shittin on any notion of a democracy in Ukraine.
Lex might as well be in the CIA. He sounds exactly like them.
@@Fluxion11 Exactly. But to be fair he is a part of the establishment / elites
The Oliver Stone Interviews are fascinating
@7:35 Lex said "Zelensky united a previously divided country." Zelensky did not unite his country. The Russian speaking people of the Donbas have been targeted and warred against, continuously so from 2014 to 2022 when Putin intervened.
The Double standards and the hypocrisy of this clip is unbelievable.
"The Double standards and the hypocrisy of this clip is unbelievable."
Enlighten us on what reality is then please, don't just pout and not provide a solution.
@Ouchwitz Summer Camp LLC I've heard quite a few perspectives, it doesn't mean I automatically know what someone else does. Don't be simple.
@Ouchwitz Summer Camp LLC For you to assume I'm only on youtube makes you the simpleton. Stop arguing with imaginary people in your head. There are dozens of people complaining about Lex's "analysis, and they offer nothing in return of value. I guess that is too hard to do. I don't know why that is difficult for you, but okay. Actually, why are you even talking?
@@davidreese6519 I'm not here to enlighten you because i'm not enlightened myself, Just don't be biased and look at things outside of the box, if you don't see the double standards and the hypocrisy then it's your problem.
@Ouchwitz Summer Camp LLC You should change your name because you seem like the product of a bigger propaganda.
Geopolitics is definitely Lex’s weakest suit!
Definitely not.
I don’t think it’s weak he’s just full of shot when it comes to Russia. Reall disappointing when so many people talk about telling the truth then use word salads like this bullshit answer. Like it’s propaganda that Russia is t invading Ukraine cause they wanted to join nato
Yup
But he only has one suit
You haven't heard his thoughts on dating.
i love how people from the states always have something to say about other people yet the usa had 300 years of history 299 years of war talking about a pathetic nation that profits from war
Dude the rest of world cares way more about the US than the other way around. If we stopped giving money and sending troops everywhere? People from other countries would complain that we are isolationists. I don’t want our country constantly involved in conflicts but there’s no way the rest of the world wouldn’t complain if we didn’t get involved. If there’s a tsunami, we’re expected to give most of the money and aid, BUT that same country doesn’t want us involved in their business. Most of our profits had nothing to do with wars. And at least we make money off of it. Other countries have had thousands of years of war and don’t have clean running water.
cope with it arent you guys still shitting in the streets?
@@butlerbees6639 y’all need to put ur hands up before lecturing
LexGPT tells Rogan, “Putin BAD”. Are we sure this guy went to MIT and not made in MIT. 😂
Joe Rogan is just now realizing he can't trust the New York Times. A bit late to the party.
He has known this for years.. he always tries to sound dumber than he is.
Over 90% of news outlets are democratic owned.
Lex has nothing to say except what the US mainstream media has been reporting for over a year now. All that talk is aimed at justifying the US coalition failure against Putin in Ukraine etc. it’s the US firehose of falsehoods
"Our source was the New York Times"
Who trust media? Unfortunately too many blind minds!
After all the guests that Lex have had. He seems to have such a shallow and limited view of the Ukrainian Russian situation. Joe must definitely get someone who really knows about this crisis. But again, Joe might not want to get in to it for real.
john mearsheimer would be great considering he is a realist and isn't biased towards western powers.
Its not a "situation" or a "crisis". Its a full scale war.
Lex is probably in a very complex situation when talking about Ukraine. Being Russian/Ukrainian/American he has his heart on all sides of the conflict I imagine.
@@sbondesson Is your comment an attempt to cover up for Lexs dismal take in the name of distressed emotional state?
Joe is interviewing him like he's an expert on the topic, but Lex is interviewing Oliver Stone to gain wisdom on the war, while Stone being an interviewer himself.
This just shows where down the line Lex is on the topic and this podcast proved it.
The Cold War never ended, it just took a nap.
I love how this guy critices propaganda and bias... then he tells us that the USA is a country that respects human rights haha each country fights for the interests of its own lobbies.. nothing else to say..
check his background
@Mosaab Again You're mistaken, I dont have any religious beliefs.. but back to the point.. i am fully aware that they want to dictate their doctrine to the rest of the world by force.. that was my point.. expantion and colonization always needs an ideology or a justification before it was religions, enlightenment... now at this age we're witnessing the democracy stage..
He’s a joke
Lex is such a smart guy and seems to have a really good heart but seems to be somewhat naive when it comes to the hardness of the world and how much propaganda and disinformation there is out there (yes even in the West).
Hé gave into the COVID propaganda
The fact he think Zelensky a good leader says it all.
I cant stand the guy... XD
Naivete? Seriously? In an adult with that level of intelectual capavilities? Do you know how many times google has throw his chanel to my face?
To my horror dozens. A really unprecedented number of times in my sperience in CZcams so... On that alone I think this is a specially irronic interview of an actual propagandist XD
He's not niave he's part of the western propaganda
The bbcs and cnn twitters youtubes and googles are nothing but propaganda
I️ usually agree with Joe on most things but 9-11 did not bring out the best in George Bush. Cmon now Joe.
Agreed. The easy example is Churchill. By most historians account’s, a great war time leader, but not meant to be a peace time PM
@@sbboy333 that’s a great example!
Was looking for this comment, that was a dumb statement by joe
Also zelenskyy is a puppet and begging gremlin, not great at all
Of course it brought out the best in him. He won another election off the back of the War on Terror. Everything went to shit pretty quickly, but Bush did gain from 9/11.
Last 2 minutes are golden
10:50 because more weapon and deaths are better than negotiation. So great leadership.
I really appreciate Lex's approach (humility & open-mindedness), and I sympathize with what he must be going through being Russian/Ukrainian, but I can't help but feel he's totally missing the mark with the geopolitics and analysis
How so?
@@SaltyChip no love
I think Lex knows exactly what's going on.. the lads in a tricky position.
It's gotta be intentional. "I don't know why Putin's popular" is as damning a political statement as one can make. But the question "Why is Putin popular in Donbas, Ukraine?" leads to answers he doesn't want to hear.
@@waynzignordics Putin is also popular because he is fighting against rainbow propaganda. Obviously, Lex can not say it out loud (probably he just doesn't understand this aspect) while working at US university, or he would immediately lose his job if he would even try to hint at any truth in his "analysis".
Lex has the right approach imo, hearing both sides out and then putting his honest opinion on the table. More people should take his approach.
ONLY PROBLEM ---THERE IS NO HONESTY IN THE WHITE HOUSE SINCE TRUMP LEFT--ONLY LIES
LOL, he can't even 'imagine' a reason Russians support Putin. That is a lazy brain.
I mean he started that both sides are under propaganda as if its some equality here were simple truth is that is one dictator country just attacked other killing and raping people, destroying buildings etc
You think you’re hearing an honest opinion, but actually falling for propaganda. Falling for it so hard that you’re praising his approach for its honesty.
leads to weakness and inaction, act first, think later
I think the first thing the doctor said when Lex was born was: He looks tired!
Wow that bit at the end about what 'spreading freedom' can look like to others is extremely based
I love when the guest is just about to make a really interesting point and Joe interrupts them to ask a question. Even better if they never get back around to the point they were about to make.
Every Eddie bravo episode
With a far less important question.
Wasn't Joe's best interview. Wanted to hear Lex's explanation of the difference between corruption in Ukraine and Russia.
A very simplified explanation of a major geopolitical problem.. there are too many holes to cover..Joe should invite someone that know how to explain what is going on in Europe at the moment and how we arrived to be afraid of an atomic bomb attack in 2022...many people listen the podcast, they deserve a better and clear analysis.
Dan Carlin
Its an american analysis. They are blind.
Sometimes it needs to be simplified to get major points across, and obviously a 13min convo isn't going to cover it all
@Hans Kranz both of these two annoyed me in this podcast but dude seriously if American POV is so blind then why are you wasting your time here?
Lex did it, and invited Oliver Stone as his first speaker on this subject! FACEPALM
I am a graphics designer and my daily job is figuring out how to get someone to buy this, get that feeling or do that thing. If you think there's no propaganda in our society, you're just misunderstanding the word marketing.
Propaganda exists, the difference is that in some places you have multiple competing propagandas which (ideally) provide information for people to make an informed decision, while in others there is only one voice. As a designer you should know the difference.
It's a funny thing. In my native language we don't have different words for advertising, marketing and (political) propaganda. There's only "propaganda", meaning all three of those things.
This interview feels like Joe is asking some random high school kid about his thoughts.
Totally agree
thats about the level lex is at due to his naivety
@@workemail5429 this is what happens when you get your news form cnn and NYT
“Some high school kid” lmaooooo lex has way more going on up there than your beloved host
@@KM-bn7dg no he doesn't lol. Gave the most Luke warm CNN take. Ukraine's internal struggle sounded like a mild disagreement lol. No mention of their Nazis. No purpose to Ukraine? 8 years of bombing Russian people wasn't enough?
With all due respect, Alex has to update his knowledge of Ukraine. He is mostly using the pre-2014 narrative. We are a very different country now
Yeah its a corrupt country now
@@Max-pr1ii wow, what an insight, bravo 👏. It was corrupt, it is still corrupt now to a lesser extent though because people are really angry. We see corruption as collaboration now with the enemy
U are not really a country at all
Now? Like from February 24th?
@@pheonix9368 compared to 2014
Perfect paranoia is perfect awareness
Not saying that Russia doesn’t have propaganda; but it’s hard to imagine that it’s worse than we have it in the US
Lol, Lex is sugar coating a lot of the information here. He clearly doesn't want to offend anyone and lose his platform
Still I think it's amazing that Lex can have a platform as big as his even with his Asperger's. He really puts himself out there even though it's apparent he has difficulty communicating normally. I love that guy
What's left to say after the Blood of Every Notable Army has been spilt on this Soil?
Dead Fathers make Angry Sons.
They can point in any direction and lay Rightful Blame for the situation there.
Aside from Northeast, any direction of the Compass points to a group of people interested in it's control.
London or Baghdad.
Moskow, St Pete, Konigsberg or New Delhi, Beijing, Tokyo
Washington DC, New York, Salt Lake City, Houston, Chicago....all for different reasons.
Ukraine is stuck in the middle of a See Saw that has a seat for every Idiology History has Produced.
Organized Religions and Governments have hated this place because it's people refuse to buy the propaganda.
It's really easy to tell what is B.S. when you are privy to All the Narratives.
How can Lex look at us all, and say that his parents or their parents were Lucky enough to Leave that Situation Behind? Smart Enough?
Available to the CIA for debriefing?
And not offend Aunts, Uncles, and cousins?
Not disgrace the proud memory of those buried and gone.
How do you tell the World not to pull the string again?
How about we ask ourselves...
how this man got his last name, then look back at the History written by all the propagandists, and be honest with ourselves.
That's the problem
Did you see his comment above?
What is he sugar coating?
Lex is a smart man, unless he start talking about politics.
czcams.com/video/bev-dLoM4lc/video.html Finally its here.
Lex is always too afraid to do the research. That way he does not have to decide who is lying or just wrong and can pretend the views he likes the sound of are more correct.
Opinions can never really be wrong unless they are based off of false information, and unfortunately most people refuse to look for the facts before creating an immutable opinion even in the face of new facts.
he has friends and family in russia , he is not going to straight up bash putin,
It’s nice to know that this thread knows best
Lex is a lying little serpent
The undertaker has spoken
He doesn't like bullies and your country and its leaders are bullies
This guy knows approximately as much about Ukraine or Russia, as I know about, say, research on life on mars.
Can you elaborate on what you disagree with?
@@nemomeimpunelacessit8121 You will be waiting for an answer for eternity.
There is not much to disagree with. Lex offered general/main stream knowledge/thinking and no nuanced or challenged ideas. It’s like someone presenting themselves as an expert on tigers and then saying tigers have stripes..yeah we know that, what else?
When was the last time lex was in Russia or Ukraine???
@@Syv_ I can tell you that 5 minutes in, he brings up Oliver Stone yet doesn’t mention any single detail or historical fact from Stone’s documentary. Lex doesn’t seem to know much of anything, again, at the 5 minute mark. OK. He just mentioned that Ukraine’s government is corrupt, so that’s a start.
"we lost because we fled from Afganistan" - but like, tf you were doing there in the first place 15000 km away from US???
Exactly! Wtf were we doing there?
You must of been born after 9/11/2001 🤦♂️
@@SaveTheKidsD2P no mate , I’m just from another country
oil
@@therightunited6566 wrong. Heroin.
Lex Luther Fridman is under the influence of suits.
Love Lex looks at things as they are, not how we want to perceive them.
Think Lex got the narrative on internal conflicts in Ukraine wrong. The “pro-Russia” vs “pro-west” divide existed pre-2014, but since then (after Russia took Crimea and entered the war in the east to Ukraine) the public opinion was decisively western oriented, which is the platform on which Zelensky was elected by overwhelming majority. The decline in ratings was consequence of failing to deliver change, but not because the population disagreed on the course.
You are absolutely correct. This man got his info from when, 15 years ago? Also the statement about Ukraine regaining independence for the first time in hundreds of years is incorrect.
Democrat’s fault. Russian only warned that puppet Zelenskyy 100 times about having nato on their boarders. Let’s start promoting objectivity before the propaganda hammer takes over all of us
Since the civil war started a lot of the east are cut off from an opinion/vote and also since a lot have migrated to Russia, but look at interviews with civillians from Mariupol and other areas that have been liberated, they are massively in support of Russia. Furthermore if you are not in Russian controlled territory you will be captured/tortured/killed for Sharing 'pro-Russain' views. 'Since 2014 people suddenly changed their views' please... A lot of these people are just waiting to be rescued from the western controlled anus of Europe.
Zelensky was appointed by NATO. Not by an overwhelming majority of people.
@@123natemans what reliable data shows this? Russian TV channels that need to justify the propaganda narrative? Can you point to any independent source that somehow polled a representative sample of people in Mariupol to support this? Whose language is “liberated?”
Joe brings a level of analysis that only a 12 year old with GI Joes can emulate
G.I Jane
He beats the hell out of you chap
@@matkissell96 At what? Surely not thinking. But I suppose I'm not surprised that is all you would come up with. Carry on then, keyboard warrior.
@@amir650 Did Joe back spin kick you? Why so mad?
@@amir650 Well he's about 120M$ richer than you so...
Joe, please bring on Douglas Macgregor, Jeff Sachs, John Mearsheimer.
Lex is swinging on his chair while being mature. What a legend
Also: You can only say what other people have said but don't know much in regards to original thoughts and research?
why is he a legend? He gas fake MIT credentials and hardly knows what he is talking about?
@@mkballer4502 It's a joke
When you read one article of news paper about half war/ half Russia and going to podcasts to talk about
I am Ukrainian. What you're saying about Ukrainians thinking there is no propaganda in Ukraine is not true at all, infact we as a nation are always looking for "betrayal" inside our own government, there's so much fighting inside our own population and we rarely even trust each other, which is weird, but that's how we are. So with all due respect I don't think you're right.
do you think that Zelensky united the nation to the greater degree than before? or do you think that image is part of his messaging to the world?
@@kaaajeee yeah he's part of it. Though it's more about the nation itself, the army, not just one person. It helps to have that one person, though, since we need to create the brand so the governments of other countries help us. I don't think this kind of unity would be possible without this invasion. Now we even have our own "2nd amendment" coming in (today there was a national survey launched if we should have it).
Couple questions? If that’s okay, I’ve Just been wondering actual Ukrainian takes(and even if you are a “nationalist”, just speaking objectively as possible): do you believe this was inevitable & how much do you personally place the west’s influence at blame? This is unverified & I couldn’t get a reply from the person (they were also VERY pro-Russia so likely regurgitating their state media’s talking points) but they seem to feel Nationalists there both have heavily pressured Zalenskyy & also were equal or greater aggressors concerning the fighting in Crimea & the Donbas w/pro-Russian groups… guess what I’m asking is do you think zalenskyy is compromised by the west or nationalists at all? And how much would you say the in-fighting has played into this outside of just the NATO move?
*oh and lastly, do you think maintaining Eurasian ties instead of having the move towards European/western ties in 2014 could’ve kept Ukraine independent? As in could Ukrainians-Rus ties have been kept in good standing without Putin attempting to assimilate your country back into his control/made it a Vassal government ?
We Slavs do have that in common. That is why, while living in Germany, I smelled bullshit even back in my school days (even back then they called me a Putin-lover) and particularly during the covid pandemic. Now people say that I am a "Schwurbler", a tinfoil-hat-wearing weirdo for not getting my shots, but I have the mistrust of the government ingrained in my Russo-ukrainian DNA.
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What a great analyst that closes his eyes to gather his thought and then wonder why Putin is so popular. Probably because he cant analyse a shit outside his American way of thought (?) or even think that USA has an NDP (near death president) and all other nations wonders the same
You have to understand Orthodox Christianity to understand Russia.
You have to understand Church history to understand Orthodox Christianity.
FDR was ahead of his time with Fireside chats. Having a president actively recognizing its nation’s problems was huge for keeping trust in your government.
He was a communist.
I don't think he'd have served for four terms if he hadn't done them. One could imply those chats were propaganda too, no? 🤔
I mean it wasn't even revealed he was wheelchair bound until after his death, that's a pretty big ommison right there.
@@javimiami92 Why is that of anyone's business?
@@ricomajestic WE MUST KNOW IF OUR PRESIDENT WALKS!
This clip should be used for entertainment purposes. There are a lot of assumptions in this conversation. I am Ukrainian and have Russian family members.
What parts?
@@davidsbgr the answers in general are very vague. i would be more impressed if someone came on and brought facts from both sides... like for instance to mention that the Azov battalion were neo-nazis. Or that Ukraine banned Russian from being taught as the primary language in school. I mean, those things are pretty big, it's obvious you would lose a lot of support from Russian speaking areas if you banned their language from being taught...
@@Writeous0ne hahahah don't tell me you still believe that neo nazi bullshit.
Meanwhile, Russia is full of Wagner members, even Putin's close people are tattooed SS members.
Russia is there to steal oil, gas and food and literally nothing else. In 2012 Ukraine has found massive amounts of oil and gas, how conveniently, it's FuLL oF NAzIs and it needs to be DeNAziFIed hahahah...
From corona experts to Putin experts 🤦♂️
You trust the NYT to get it right Joe? 🤣🤣
a little disappointed of how little Lex still knows about the conflict. I'm sure it's just a matter of time/research. Keep up the questions/discussions guys.
He still wants to interview Putin so that being said he has to watch what he says and he has a podcast which predominantly is listen to by American's. So I think he is walking softly when speaking about this subject which can come across as lack of knowledge but in actuality he's just being as politically correct while trying not to offend either side.
Scott Ritter has work in the US military has extremely high credentials has been a human weapons inspector and is an expert in what’s been going on over there. m.czcams.com/video/OSkpIq3T-Zc/video.html
@@jamesyonge6480 I mean he called Putin strong, that’s definitely lack of knowledge. He inaccurate described “factions” in east vs west of Ukraine. In reality it’s not really like that. I know because I’m literally from there. There’s definitely a gap in knowledge and just a basic surface level “analysis” more of a super basic general discussion.
If you don't want to be cancelled, then you need to follow the narrative.
I'm guessing all u are only following what American news is telling u. What the American media tells u sounds so good it can easily direct u one way
I really love both of these guys but they need to step outside of American Bureaucracy when it comes to politics.
I’m dyslexic, but there should be some extra words out again for accurate information
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Meanwhile, Julian Assange is rotting in Belmarsh prison. London England.
That's why their called martyrs. At least he's alive. Can't say that for MLK, Ghandi or Jesus.
@@josephgriffin2388 Martyrs and Saints I believe I'm familiar with those terms couldn't agree more.
Holy shit this segment killed half of my brain cells.
"Holy shit this segment killed half of my brain cells."
Almost everyone on this forum is screaming about Lex but provide no insight on his errors. This also damages brain cells. Please expand on what they're missing, add value please.
@Ouchwitz Summer Camp LLC Why don't you test that theory and drop a comment here.
@@davidreese6519 Lex is pretty much on point. Comments like these are everywhere war-related atm and they're just meant to confuse you, that's all that these bots really want.
@@davidreese6519 Watch Patrick Lancaster's coverage of all the shelling and missile attacks in Donbass, watch Gonzalo Lira, the Duran, Jimmy Dore, iEarlGrey and Scott Ritter for an alternate view of the MSM talking points that Friedman just regurgitated for 13 mins...
@@myopicthunder Just watched a lot of Lancaster's material. Thanks.