Is Your Shoulder Pain a Rotator Cuff Tear? How to Tell & What to Do If It Is.
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- "Famous" Physical Therapists Bob Schrupp and Brad Heineck provide you with self-tests to do to determine if your shoulder pain is a rotator cuff tear. They also provide some initial therapy suggestions if you do have a tear.
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Thank god , it's not a tear, I am so happy , thank you guys , I am so relaxed
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@Strat Abuser 😂😂😂😂
Luckily for you, mine is. Yay getting old is fun
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!!!! This is the video that saved me!! I was trying to pull a very heavy lawn tractor out of deep mud and I pulled my arm so hard I couldn't move it and the pain was on a scale of 10 making it impossible for me to sleep at night. I had no insurance and did not want to go see a doctor and have to go in an MRI which I was terrified of. Also during Covid, I did not want to go into a hospital if I didn't have to and it felt like I would probably need surgery. I suffered like this for 2 weeks. Then I started watching some of your videos. But this is the video that did it for me. I started pulling my shoulder blades together many times throughout the day. The same day I did those, the first day I did those, I was at the grocery store at night and found accidentally, I went to reach for something and I could! That was my moment I could not believe after two weeks of suffering. Doing that one exercise many times throughout the day made me better. And in a few days i was back at 100%! I have been meaning to write and thank you both. You saved me from possibly having to go through a lot of trauma I did not want to go through. And possibly saved me from surgery. If anyone had seen me before I did that simple exercise, I think they would have signed me up for surgery. I was shaking hands just like you did in this video with my upper arm at my side. You really made a difference in my life and I am very grateful to you both for your help. Thank you very much!
Thank you for sharing your experience. I have been suffering for a week with left shoulder after a slip on pool steps that stretched my arm backwards. No insurance also and Cooties everywhere still! Starting shoulder blade stretches now!
@@joannericci5981 Oh no. I hope they help. In my case they helped fairly quickly. You could also try a post asking them for help and see if you get a reply? I hope you are better soon! Shoulder pain is no fun!!
Wow thank you both so much for this. Saved me a trip to the doctor! Relieved it's not a tear and what seems to be just a pulled muscle. Thanks Bob and Brad!
Yeah, I just got back from my doctor and he didn't even examine me or try any tests whatsoever. Useless. This was a lot better!
Excellent information-not too technical, helps to prevent unnecessary worry and provides tools to help without having to dive into the all too confusing and overwhelming world of medical care. You two are awesome!
Thank you huge help to my paranoia that it's not more serious. Could not get appointment with my Gp today so this is reassuring. Hopefully heal quickly.
This was so helpful. Painful want to cry 😢.
so sorry! I feel your pain. Hope you have sought treatment.
Loved listing to you guys! I'm learning about the rotator cuff in my yoga training, so this was very informative!
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Excellent Demonstration teaching 👏👏
I had an ulnar nerve impingement, along with a minor rotator cuff tear. Doctors and PTs kept suggesting surgery! When the elbow's impingement was "manually" released the rotator tear pain nearly vanished! Pain was gone, I could move my arm, and my strength returned. Thanks to the PT who recognized the problem and "snapped" it back into place!!!!
Thank you. My shoulder has been bad for months. I have done nothing, but try to act like nothing is wrong, hoping it will get better. I have watch your videos before and every one of them has helped me. I'm positive this will ❤️
How do you feel now?
Thanks. I can bench press and squat with a barbell bar over my head, no problem. Both shoulders are pretty flexible. But I always have this dull pain in my left shoulder when I raise my hands overhead just past my ears. Pain is probably 1 out of 10. I also hear crackling sounds in both shoulders when I move them in circles. I think I'll go see a doc and have them checked out before it gets worse. I remember having a similar nagging (dull) pain in my lower back, and a few weeks later, I was rolling on the floor with a bulging disc. WHOA!
It's a rotator cuff tear or something else because my situation is same.
Thank you for the easy to understand and follow information! I will try the exercises and stretches you suggest in this and your other shoulder impingement videos and see what happens before i go pay for an MRI.
I think I have shoulder impingement but I am not sure it doesn’t hurt so so much but I t hurts for about 5 months and I thought that the problem is the exercises which I was doing but now after so long time I am not sure it sometimes hurts after I woke up idk help pls 🥺🙏🙏😔
Best intro ever
Thanks! Love learning everything I can to help ppl with their pain. LMT in Georgia.. Great video for learning!
When I did this it totally cracked were it was hurting I’m already feeling relief thanks guys
Wait, "first Four weeks"? I don't have four weeks, our Summer is too short in Upstate New York, Dang.... Thanks for confirming that it's a RC tear as my doc said; with your added humor; it really helps.
One of the tests I was a little worried, but all the other no problem at all. Thanks for the upload gentleman, I am not nearly as stressed.
This is exactly what I wanted for a long time
balaji hustler I feel you man
I'm doing better on these exercises. Reached back in fridge while bending over, felt pinch. Thought I had small rotator tear. It's been a couple of months, now trying to stretch. I am AMAZED at relief of stiffness and pain. Thank you so much for your videos!
Excellent video gentleman ...learned alot and you've helped my shoulder ! Thankyou
Thank you so much for the video!! I'm a FNP student and MSK injuries are my weakness and this video helped so much thank you :)
I cant build muscle in my left arm it gose to my shoulder hurts when I lift anything do you think it could be
I just love your videos, you two are great. I do follow your advice.
I fell off the ladder 3 months went to A/E at my local Hospital and they missed my rotator cuff injury
They Xray my shoulder And told me that there was no bones broken
All time I am in excruciating pain
When back 4 time to the A/E
Each time tell take painkillers and do shoulder exercises
In the end I went for a bit of ostopath treatment and the ostopath told me that I have rotator cuff injury and adviced me to see my Doctor and then he referred me for Ultrasound scan
Results came back with complete tear
So now i am waiting to see a orthopaedic surgeon
I think I have something like this. But because whenever I lift my arm sometimes it feels like my arm snaps out of position then after a few seconds pops back in which extreme pain.
rickos1234 did you find out what this was?
Me toooooooo
ItzAndy76 yes I after a had another MRI with the blue dye in my shoulder, it’s been found I have a thing called Bankart Lesion, which is a tear in the shoulder muscle, I have about 3 - 4 of them so surgery is needed to repair them. It was after a heavy fall onto my shoulder during a football match
I got my shoulder dislocated playing football when I was younger .after that injury my shoulder would pop out of place all the time n at times be hard to pop it back in place.i had to get surgery.they did a quarter size cut on my shoulder n tied my ligaments.
@@thykingdomcomethywillbedon9186 how is your shoulder now ???? I am 12 weeks post op. And it’s still weak
I have rotor cuff tear and the pain is over the top. been diagnosed with one. Pain tonight brings tears to my eyes. no Doctor is near me. I have screamed out tonight it is so painful.
Ultra-sound showed I had a tear but wasn't too bad. Recently I had a fall and went down onto the same shoulder, now it's pretty sore with marked lack of movement above 45 degrees. My GP suggests an operation but after watching this I'm going to give these exercises a go for a month. Thanks for the great advice guys !
I did this several years ago and had no issues. But I used the weighted ball every other day as an ongoing strengthener. rotatoreliever.com/
The last test (moving back of hand away from behind my body) is the one that causes discomfort. It's 2-3/10 pain with a little discomfort. Any advice? What muscles are involved in that movement?
Thx for this video. Just had an MRI to confirm a Rotator cuff in my left arm. Will try the recommended exercises till my orthopedist schedules my 1st appointment. Thx again guys #new subbie
I just had the subscapularis tendon to bone repair. Also, the supra and infraspinatus tendons were irreparable, damage to them was too old. I never had any indication of those, no pain, or discomfort. I also had the long head bicep tendon removed because it was torn 3/4 of the the way, and again, irreparable.
Very well explained! Thank you!
Please post more videos on rotator cuff tears. I have tons of pain and need advise.
it can heal only itself by nutiritionand only wet cupping cures it because oxygen and food goes there to cure it when you take the dirty blood and fresh blood goes there
Great episode guys. Any chance you can do an episode on frozen shoulder, similarities and differences to rotator cuff tear and treatments for frozen shoulder and whether RC treatment can be used for FS
Thanks for posting this
Great video! Thank you so much. I took a hard fall, ( from a seizure) came too with my dog licking my face. I had a black eye, broke the back left molar and had to have it pulled, then pulled the tendon in my left thigh. The leash was in my right hand. I thought I was just super sore. But I was having problems dressing and raising my arm above 3 o'clock. I cant "wash the window or wipe the table". I went to my Ortho thinking it was a frozen shoulder. He sent me for an MRI, and I have a tear. I also have a frozen shoulder, and he said he would shave the bone because there is not enough room. I had that surgery done 15 yrs ago, and it is one tough surgery to recover from. I'm going to try your exercises to help loosen it up and prepare me We did not cover any of these in the 1 month of PT I've had so far. Do they still use the chair that raises your arm up and down for 10 hrs a day for the first 2 weeks?
Thanks guys...I've injured both shoulders...one just a few weeks ago and one about a year ago. I know the 1st was Rotator and I believe the most recent was as well. Very informative video! Lots of info here to get healthy again...Thanks!
I passed the test - though the last test my arm felt kind of sore, not painful. Each test was not painful. I can list things I can do right now in the gym.
Pull workouts no issues
Arms no issues
legs no issues - I know its legs.
bench press I tried to do 135 pounds today and was able to do it, but my shoulder did not like it. When I benched with no weight on the bar there was no issues. Heavy lifting in terms of bench or any kind of pushing - no good right now.
Very helpful my chiro mentioned this and did no tests and gave no info
Putting a coat on [arms backwards] under painful.
You guys are awesome! I’m a Yoga teacher with extensive continuing education in anatomy and special conditions and I use a lot of your techniques in class and on my own shoulder impingement. WIsh I had found you BEFORE I created my shoulder issue. Oh well ...”better late than never”. THANKS for all you do. And you’re funny too! Hey that rhymes :-))
I find if I do the "gravity hang/circular swing"
That the pain is precisely underneath a "clunk" in the joint however no pain during the "clunk" (I narrowed it down to a strain THANK GOD & THANK the Tall Guy and the NOT so tall guy 👍)
How long did it take for you to heal the strain?
@@Inf7cted appreciate your question/sincerity.
1) I'm no therapist, but I am learning as we age our supporting muscle "core" evacuates, so my self diagnosis was: loss of core (complete / full body) as I stopped regular exercise. Back to your inquiry: it took fairly quick, but my symptoms were actually starting to get worse at this point as "infraspinatus" worked it's hold on to my shoulder, and the lightest rubber bands from Walmart (side/lateral raises) little circles with arms out with no weight for 40 reps ea. Direction helps... Basically it all helps a lot slower than how quickly sedentary actions take hold negatively. Good luck and hope some of this helped .
So, where is the line between self-treatment and going to see the doc?
How long after injury should you be able to perform all the tests
Thank you for this excellent and clear explanation.
Good explained with friendly attitude❤👍
Thanks 👍
You are welcome
The arms over my head is my paradox I can't stop waking up like that regardless of how I try to go to sleep
What is if at all is the pro or cons of using a tenz unit on the irritated tendon ?
I hurt my shoulder in a baseball game a couple days ago and the pain is very bad to the point I can’t sleep cause cause of the pain and can’t lift my arm without help
I found this humerus.. 😉
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Jip!. Got it. Test 2 & 4 hurts. Thank you for advice. Will start exercises and stop working it any more than necessary.
Light pain empty can, drop arm no pain, external rotation test painful, behind back test painful. Pain radiates down to elbow and causes throbbing. Sleeping with my arm above my head results in pain as well. I workout regularly with free weights. I'm a 57 y.o. male in good condition. I am also experiencing a popping sound while stretching before and after workouts.
Trick 153 same
Been a year since I threw out my arm a a minor league game at a fan pitching booth. Shoulder had always been a bit tender from high school. Now 50 it hurts like a mother at times. Sometime a tooth ache in the joint then weeks of no pain. Only the hand behind the back bothered me. It was brutal. Think it is nerve damage. The others were no problem. I got a nerve running to the minor peck (?) that my massage therapist found that is killing me at times. A year after the incident, I can lift a 50 pound square box and little to no discomfort. Screwed up opening a car door. Slipped from my hand and grabbed it a second time my nerve screamed! Hardly any effort but it almost brings me to tears. Gonna try these exercises. Thank you.
What if you’re having pain but easily pass all four tests shown??
Soreness? My pain isn’t by the touch it’s whenever I lift a weight so far it’s not too bad but I’m worried
Yes I have the same thing. I pass all the tests but when I got certain movement I lose strength. Been doing physical labor my whole damn life never hurt myself.I'm in a hurry out of the house and I trip over extension cord and I pull my arms in so I don't break my arms and I land on my shoulder. I'm 57 so I think I'm fortunate that I've never hurt myself until now
That's most likely an impingement. You can find stretches that will realign your shoulder.
I have had 3 surgeries on my right shoulder. I had a Bicep tear and a torn Rotator cuff this was work related. My last surgery was April of 2018 and I cant lift my arm up over my head and my thearpy has stop. The job doctor said I have reached the maxiumum treatment. My surgeon doctor said that I can go back to work but permanent light duty. I drive for a living my job don't have permanent light duty. I am vocational program through the job. I am doing home therapy myself and I see some improvement in my shoulder.
i did the 7 workout video exercises in a circuit re arranged the order and did it 7 times. im trying to stretch my shoulder because it feels tight after it. do u guys have any videos on this. also i watched a video about how the first step in shoulder problems is to fix bad posture. head forward cut off blood flow and then doing normal tasks can injure you. i dont wanna do some stupid stretch some charlatan is telling me to do for views. also in your videos for workouts not to do u should make a list so its easy and at the end of your videos on workouts clearly label each one and re state all of em at the end. had a hard time remembering. good stuff.
ice helps the pain from a shoulder but does damage. you need more blood flow to the shoulder to heal it. the video i referenced that i got this info from... czcams.com/video/W-HMcC8qxRM/video.html
the circuit is
squats
lunge
mtn climbers
downward dog
superman
plank
push ups
with one of the exercises being 30 seconds. i rotate it starting with push ups and then to squats so on. 15 seconds each exercise except the one 4 30. 30 seconds rest to a minute. i try for 30 but what can i say. i get a few sets in a row like that then need 45 seconds. i took out your bicycle kicks because it didnt make for easy transitions. would change it just had to do something on the fly. also i have a feeling it might be yes but are bicycle kicks like old boxers do bad for you? bruce lee did good morning. hurt himself doing then so i dont do em. u also said v sits are bad for you. few exercise u said to not do i used to do every week in PE. it doesnt make sense. i mean it does when u see the world through a different filter. so much misinformation. people will have a 4 year degree but tell ppl to do all these bad exercises. hopefully ill get a response to one of my questions.
Thank you guys! I don’t have a tear
Thank you. Can it be fixed? If so how?
you are right, I can't lift my arm all the way up
Thanks alot sir...kind of instructive with fun.
My salute to u both.
😊
This was so informative and entertaining. Thank you Bob and Brad! I recently started crossfit so i do want to injure myself so thank you for the preventative medicine education!!!
Glad you thought so! You're welcome :)
Aqua Eva lol, I don’t know if this was sarcastic or not, but anyway, any sport can be dangerous and especially CrossFit, so please proceed slowly and carefully overtime, listen to your body, make sure to warmup and learn to do everything with proper form and technique and stay healthy, fit and happy !
thank you for the video. very helpful .
I don’t think I have a tear but just a impingement. Thanks for all the tips for how to sleep too.
Very thankful for your videos. Not thankful that I need them, though. Sure sign of old age! At least you guys bring a smile to my pain(s).
Can’t even put arm behind back. No pull strength. And no wing up to the side (light switch) at all. Was in a roll over MVA recently. VA won’t take anyone right now and I don’t have secondary insurance. Had an X-ray and was told just from that the MD could tell it was torn completely. But truth be told it doesn’t hurt much until I try to lift or maneuver it.
Thank you
did that one movment and now im in so much pain i have been have weakness in my arm every since i did behind the neck shoulder presses my arm has been killing me
I just had a major snap crackle sound in my right shoulder this evening while lifting up and out too much weight. It is tender considerably. I passed all these movements you two show to test for .Just really tender and I also have already had arthroscopic surgery in that shoulder, but not rotator cuff repair. Also they cut away that acrominal tip and cut away my collar bone so it wouldn't catch there anymore. That was 12 years ago. Thanks!
Had the same thing happen to me last night. How long did it take for you to heal?
@@catorb6607 I eventually snapped my supraspinatus tendon away from my humerus bone of my arm. Dr. who was a sports surgeon for a major University said it was the worst situation he had encountered and thought with me being over 50 I may not recover or heal back even with a good surgery. I did make a full recovery after 4 months of PT and a lot of autophagy level fasting.. 18 hours daily, several days a week. It helps clean up old damage in the body.
I've done the test and I think I just sprained it, how long do you recommend it to heal before I start a bit of personal physical therapy for my shoulder and how long until I can lift heavier weights? I struggle to bring my hand over my head but i can do it and it doesn't give out as I lower it.
How long did you take to heal?
Very useful.
I had my shoulder cuff repair last year can you show me some exercises to strengthen my shoulder with out harming it
Thanks.
Interesting video. Hurt my shoulder 2 years ago with a motorcycle fall and haven't been able to lift my arm above my shoulder height. And getting tired of the constant pain and struggle. So going to try out the exercises before going for an operation. So far I can do pretty much everything without pain except for lifting my arm above my shoulder.
Was it a tear? I have the exact same issue. Waiting for ultrasound results.
@@stoola8890 Mine is a chip that causes my arm unable to lift. And the doctors say nothing they can do for some reason.
@@vengefulrat3053 that’s not good news :/ I hope mine is not what you have
I can do all the tests with slight pain nothing major, what can I do to make it go away?
Ice pack on your shoulder for 20 minutes (sometimes I go 30-40 minutes) go Google stretches for the shoulder and do those. Another one my physical therapist coined as "flossing the shoulder" with arms to your sides straightened, you point both palms of your hands to the ground with fingers raised up as high as you can and you motion your arm/palms to the ground and than back up. You will feel a pressure like sensation at the finger tips when doing this.
(If your having difficulty imagining this, reflect back to when iron Man is using his propulsion to lift off from the ground.. he has the Jets on his feet and also on the palm of his hands.. clearly he would need to point his palms to the ground for him to balance himself during 'lift off'
Edit: and your really lucky. I have had my shoulder injured since January 2019 and i still have so much pain in certain motions.
I lift weights and felt some pain during dumbbell over head presses. Stopped immediately and still can't life anything with my left arm above my head. Also Lateral raises are very painful and I can't get to level with my shoulder. Not sure if I should rest or go to the doc to check for a tear.
Omgoodness I think this saved me
Love the doorway and shoulder squeezes
Watching this video with an ice bad on my shoulder ☹ pendulum exercise actually hurt when I tried it days ago :/
I went to the doctors and I did some tests. I passed most of them.
However I still get this excruciating pain when I pull or push something to hard. Sometimes it’s with little strength, sometimes it’s with a lot of strength. But when the pain hits, it feels like something inside my shoulder either snaps, or pops, and I lose complete control of my arm for a good second. Sometimes my shoulder will be in slight pain even when doing nothing. Other days if I move my arm I get slight increases in pain. Not sure. Neither was the doctor.
I’m just worried over the snapping or popping pain I get that cripples me when I am working/at home.
Looks like they don't answer any questions
I'm experiencing everything you just said, I haven't been able to lift weights since last September.
Let me know if you find out a cure because I then lost my drive to exercise because of this lol
@@E.R225 workout you shoulder with light weight so you can get blood flow in the shoulder so it can heal properly. Also intake lots of protein
Did you do the video on how to position the shoulder for pain? I could not find it.
I can't do the arm behind the back it hurts so bad. Made an appointment with orthopedic specialist. The PA after a few test told me I can possibly have a partial rotator cuff tear
U both r doing wonderful job 👍
Worst part I'm right handed he's worried about my rotater cuff or tendons muscle and stuff u can't see on x rays
Martina Lola fraser you need an MRI scan
@@natez999 the sport and medicine doctor said it is a tear in my ace joint
And I need phyiso but I have not yet been coverd and I needed a new family doctor to sign papers to witch I have not been able to meet her until Sept 9 sadly she completely book even for October
Martina Lola fraser how did you get injured? How old are you? When did it happen?
@@natez999 I'm 28 years old happened in July near the end I feel backwards down my stairs
thanks so much, very helpful
How do you correct your posture with this if you have scoliosis... Will the method still improve posture with the scoliosis in play??
Starting physio on Monday due to two small tears on my left rotator cuff.
How do you heal your rotator cuff tear
Can it cause also pain in the back upper arm? Fell at work and the ER dr is sending me for an MRI for a possible torn rotator cuff.
is swiming helpfull when u have a tear in tendon
please thanks for your information doc
I fell on my shoulder and I think I strained my tricep muscle. Hopefully my shoulder is only bruised.
Ouch, yes hopefully it’s just a bruise
1:02 As someone with excruciating shoulder pain, just seeing that hurt a lot :D
I passed all of the rotator cuff tests you showed, except for the hand behind your back test. Definitely feel pain there. Making an appointment with my doctor.
Update ? This was the test that I couldn't do
@@braekhaven I’ve been going to physical therapy, and the therapist there told me I have an impingement, not a tear. Not passing the behind the back test doesn’t mean you have a tear.
@@hepgeoff can you tell me some of the exercises you guys did? How far removed from the Injury did you start? I injured nine on Aug 30th of this year
@@braekhaven Sorry to hear about your injury. Unfortunately I can't trace my pain to a specific injury. Seems like it's been happening gradually over the years. My therapist told me it's related to my bad posture, slumping my shoulders too much over the years. Muscles around the shoulder blade become atrophyed. Hard to describe the specific exercises without showing you. One is lying on your stomach on the floor like you're going to do a push up. Instead of lifting your body up using your arms, you raise your shoulder blades up, like hunching your back. Sorry, it's hard to describe using text. This channel has some exercises for impingement.
Thanks guys for your knowledge and precious advice. First and second test were done easily but for the third test, the pain is 7 out of 10.. It's for my right hand, I've managed to do the shoulder squeeze with some difficulties but I would like to know if there're other ways of treating it. I can feel the pain in my infraspinatus or teres or even the latissimus. Please need your help guys, thanks..
I can’t the last one only
What if you can't move your arm at all. Arm hanging down straight alongside body, can only move arm a couple of inches to the side and not at all to the front. Can move it using my other hand, just not with the bad arm.
Bob and Brad, is it best to have an MRI for an accurate diagnosis or is a physical exam just as good or bette?
I went to the Dr today because I have been having shoulder pain sense October of last year I was in a car accident in October I do weight lifting 4 days a week for almost 2 years I was sore in both shoulders for a few hours afterwards then it go away didn't start having pain until a week after my car accident in October I was holding my five months 3 days while laying flat on my back in my bed and had excursionating pain for about 10 minutes Dr today said she think it's a hairline fracture in my left what do you think it could be ?
How do I know if it is very bad like I feel a little bit of pain from those how come sometimes I feel pain in my chest?
What exercise can I do that with
I can do majority of these.... but the behind the back with the flat hand.... I can't do that one .... what does this mean
While doing The open can and the back one, it hurts. However i can still do. What dose that mean?
I woke up middle of the night one time and when i barely tried to move my hand, the pain shot up my shoulder. It hurt like absolute hell. Long story short, it was a minor tear. The pain pills from work clinic helped lessen the pain. I then had physical therapy 2cor 3x a week for 2 months
Do you guys do phone consultations? I live in Massachusetts. You’re more knowledgeable than all my doctors put together. I pass these tests with pain but mine is a unique, complicated case. I’m having an MRI today on my left shoulder. Does it show soft tissue damage besides tears? It’s been ordered without contrast. Personally I think all my shoulder pain and ridiculous muscle wasting are coming from my rampant neck and scalene issues, but I think my doctors want it to be a torn labrum so it’s an “easy fix”. How can scalene issues affect your shoulder?
How are you
Hi,what do you think of the inspace balloon for a solution for a detached supraspinatus with 2.5cm retraction.
This happened in the gym 16 months ago.
I'm 54,very active with a job that involves alot of heavy lifting.
Tia.
I get pain in the middle of my deltoid doing any of this stuff, but not in the joint. It feels like an intense cramp knot. It has no effect on strength, though. Would that be an adhesion?