Flat Earther Has Proof Scientists Won’t Look At | Connor (he/him) - CO | Skeptic Generation S1E20
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- Is this Skeptic Generation’s first flat earther caller? Where’s E.J. when you need them! Vi and Eric clash with Connor, who thinks that a flat earth is just as valid as a round earth. He also proposes that we can teleport like Pacman if we get to the earth’s edge. And that the laws of gravity and light reflection might not be accurate. And that scientists won’t listen to him because his computation is to complex. In short, just about what you’d expect.
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I loved the fact that he is open to the possibility of a teleportation portal, but not to a spherical earth
As they say: "belief makes you talk like an i&%0t".
Or gravity. That's out the window, too - but only if it behaves, yah know, the way it behaves.
This is pretty much a standard case for the Dunning-Kruger effect. The poor fellow learned a bit about how mapping coordinates works and is very confident in his conclusion... but his conclusion has been drawn before accounting for large amounts of other data needed to actually reach the conclusion. Keep learning, Connor. Figure it out and bring it home if you can.
Also he ignores observable facts like the night sky.
@@friendo6257
And the ships/horizon.
I disagree. He has gone far further and understands, some, he just has made a critical error in his calculations as he is equating altitude to a z coordinate.
@@friendo6257 Bingo!
Did you even hear his bit about "Pacmanning"?
He thinks that if you go "off the map" on one end, you appear on the other end. Like in Pacman.......................................................
HELLO!!?!?!?!??!?!
His argument seems to be “anything’s a possibility, except established science. That’s clearly impossible.”
It makes perfect sense when you lay it out in black and white
@@davidrichardson7466 it would make perfect sense if I was retarded lol
Fyi... I'm not.
@@guitargodthor2 LOL
To accept the most radical, absurd, convoluted and unlikely reason for things while ignoring/rejecting the vast amount of credible evidence otherwise is a conspiracy theorists MO. So few actually care about the shape of the earth but they harp on this flat earth nonsense because most people won't sail around the earth or fly to space.
And I guess they must think every person who has sailed around the earth or went into space is a liar in the the "conspiracy"? So absurd. Or they can't tell the difference between going straight or in circles? And they apparently think they are smarter then Newton and Einstein.
The Earth is a cube. It’s obvious. There is even a place called Cuba.
And the Borg don't attack the planet because they already think we're part of the Collective 🤣🤣🤣
😂
Sorry, but Earth has four corners, not 8, geesh. :j
Btw, that's was a good un, will use it!
@@tjjones621 And four days, occurring simultaneously, don't forget.
@@marasmusine Way more believable than the FE..
Earth is not round, its a Pacman game.
Scientists: "Goddammit, he figured it out."
DAMN! They figured out the Pacman proof of the flat earth!
You laugh, but how else do you explain all the ghosts that you can only eat if you've just eaten fruit? Checkmate, round-earthers!
(this is sarcasm)
@@johnmcclure40 Um... you change the ghosts to blue so you can eat them by eating a POWER PELLET in Pac Man, not fruit. The fruit just gives you extra points to earn a higher score (and 1-ups).
If we really were on pacman earth you would think it would be freaking out GPS.
@@ThEjOkErIsWiLd00 Drat. I guess it's been a while since I played.
I had to pause the video when he said 'you just Pac-Man', I was HOWLING
😂
I said "WHAT?!?!?!" so loud that I woke up my husband, and my cat. I don't get to say this very often, but I was incredulous.
This was impressive. I haven't heard this much disinformation, false claims, and conspiracy theory mashed together in quite a while.
His question is weird because there is no flat earth model. He goes on to show that making flat earth fit the facts requires the ad hoc generation of multiple irreconcilable models to explain each new problem that arises for each separate model.
Just the fact that we can successfully get to destinations and back in a predictable time frame proves pretty damned conclusively we know how to measure. These nut jobs just overlook that basic fact.
@@whichgodofthousandsmeansno5306 ye exactly. We fly planes, satellites, etc. With enormous accuracy using calculations based on a globe. So that works. Not not a pizza. These people are so dumb
Not to mention the many organizations and many thousands of people that must be part of a conspiracy in order for it to work.
oh but there totally is a glat earth model... just google it.. the north pole is thr center... and the south pole is actually the outer edge of the flat cirvular plain.. they(flerfers) have most of it wotked out... to a point... and yes its all unrealistic hogwash... it is a real model that they point to and say yup.. thats it... do some you tube research
.. youll have fun...
Like the light refraction bit, yes it explains stars, if light behaves differently than it obviously does lol
I love Connor. "You just Pac-Man it" and "I haven't run the calculations on that" are going onto my Bullshit Work Phrases list.
Wokka wokka
The delight on this dude's face when he understood what he meant by Pac-Manning
I love Vi’s question: “Can the earth be a triangle?”
I sincerely hope it is a dodecahedron, though.
The ironic thing is so few people care about the shape of the earth it seems totally senseless for there to be a vast conspiracy to lie about it. Heck it could be shaped like a shoe for as much as 99.99% of people care. But I think the fact we can sail around it and get videos from space is enough to satisfy most, even those who lack the basic physics understanding to determine it other ways.
I would prefer it be a icosagon
Starmade physics.
I'm hoping for truncated stellated icosahedron
I want a Mobius strip!
I think ‘deluded’ is the only word that can be used to describe Connor…
There's an old term that is not used much anymore that also fits it's called stupid. Not a learning disability or minimally exceptional but just plain stupid.
Willful Ignorance
That's more than willful ignorance this is actively ignorant.
@@tommystyx Amen.
Calling Connor deluded is being a bit generous
Pac-Man theory - I would have asked him what if a plane flew to the edge, turned and flew along the edge so that the edge runs down the aisle of the plane, what would people on either side see when they looked across the aisle? Can you see through the teleport?
Flatters don't have a grasp of reality. "I don't/can't understand, therefore it is whatever I imagine."
You are mistaken, and I am not a flat earther. It's not that they can't understand. It's they make observations with their senses, and use logic to dictate the reasoning behind what they see.
Do you believe it is illogical to look at a flat dessert and think it is flat? No, that's not dumb or stupid, it's just ignorant of facts.
Your job is to answer their questions with the scientific knowledge you claim to have. You do have it right, or do you just believe what you were taught in school? Because that is one of their arguments, that you are just repeating what you were told and havnt thought it through yourself.
You can tell who those ppl are, they allways resort to ridicule instead of scientific explanation. Unfortunately if everyone did that it would be long b4 everyone believe the earth is flat.
Ppls inability to answers them scientifically without ridicule causes other ppl to think you or we don't know what we are talking about. Do better.
@@dude8223 ok dude, you're an ass. It's not our job to answer simple questions over and over that you can look up yourself anyway. They argue about basic facts and say scientists in general are liars. Stop defending them. I'm starting to think you are one with your "they use their senses and come to logical conclusions" argument. I hear that from flat earthers all the time....
@@dude8223 The problem with your argument is IF you present them with irrefutable evidence they will deny it all !
@@gowdsake7103 notice in my comment I said if you don't answer them with the scientific facts, it won't be long b4 everyone is a flat earther....you missed my point, my fault. But point is, I am not concerned about those who are in the flat earth cult, no, they will not listen. But those reading the comments who are on the fence will. If you are listening to 2 ppl discuss anything, you are most likely to be convinced by the one who gives you facts and seems the most logical. If a flat earther is giving you what seems like logical reasoning why he believes what he believes, and your response is to call him names, the person on the fence will think the FE is correct and you have no rebuttal to his claim. This is why the FE movement has grown. If we know the earth is flat, then simply explain it. If it is truth, the ppl reading the comments in most cases will be convinced you are right. But if every time a FE puts out a challenge, and we don't respond with the fact as to why he is wrong, someone who does not know why he is wrong yet believes the earth is round, starts to question their beliefs. And they keep watching videos waiting to see someone explain why FE is wrong, but all the see is character assassination, name-calling and ridicule . And without giving facts along with that, usually means you lost a argument.
When you’ve reached a place in your life where, the PacMan effect and teleportation is more credible than the Earth being round……
Arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a Pigeon.
It’ll just knock over all the pieces, sh*t on the board, and strut around like it’s won anyway.
Guaranteed there is little to no actual math he has done.
"I haven't run that equation."
Fucking hilarious!!!
Well considering he thinks he is smarter then Newton and Einstein he might actually believe he is running equations properly.
He wants to use the fact that we need map projections like Mercator to depict the earth as evidence that the earth is flat.
When the fact that we need map projections to depict the earth on flat paper is actually proof of a spherical earth.
I feel a bit bad for him. Map projections are hard. Anyone who has been trained in GIS will have had to learn about them over and over in multiple classes, and will have struggled with data that isn't in the right projection or that doesn't have a defined projection.
Funniest part, that they would even suggest the Mercator... a flat rectangle with Pacman edges... would somehow in their twisted minds support their argument. That's why I tell them to zoom out on the map they use to get directions. It fries what's left of their brains.
His referencing the Mercator Projection ought to have been challenged when he first mentioned it. As though it is an accurate depiction of the real world! His stoopidity is right there.
Mercator Projection doesnt fit reality its just a method of being able to show everything it is neither accurate or sensible but it does have uses
@@gowdsake7103 of course no map projection is perfect - because reality is a globe, that we're trying to depict on flat paper. So you pick a projection that is most suitable for your purposes, keeping in mind whatever the most important properties are for your purpose: area, shape, direction, bearing, distance, scale, etc. You can conserve some of those depending on what projection is chosen, but you can't have all of them.
@@KenLord I agree totally. Each projection has a use and every map is slightly inaccurate that has to be taken into account .
Can I have a unicorn shaped earth, please?😊
Yup! With mathematical transformations all shapes are possible!
I love the Pacman explanation: they came up with the definition of a sphere on their own, by making the 3 space axes periodic. He's not the only one, i have heard this from flat earth conference videos, and I've always loved how they end up defining a sphere to solve objections!! Excellent!!
I find it interesting how the caller is more intelligent than EVERYONE at NASA.
He has a PHD from Dunning Kruger University.
I damn near fell off my chair when he said the concept of a flat earth and a round one are not in conflict with each other
Maybe he's thinking "well, light can be both a particle and a wave, so..."
Some concepts are hard to grasp, like 2 things being true at the same time.
@@dude8223 two things that are contradictory? One of them at least cannot be true. Potentially both. But they cannot both be correct while in direct contradiction.
@@cambriaofthevastoceans6721 so, there is no doubt the earth is round... but clearly our
levels we use to build things convince us the ground is flat. The earth is round, yet on some level.... pardon the pun, also flat.
@@dude8223 relatively flat at that spot perhaps. Its not like it started flat when we decided to build something there...
Hello. Though we disagreed, I appreciate that you were very civil. I thought it was a good conversation. Thank you for taking my call! Connor.
Hey Connor,
Eric here. Would you be up for calling back in 2 weeks? I'm looking into what you're talking about and (while I still disagree with you) think that my specific objections weren't a clear match for what is going on here. I want to work on it in the meantime, what do you think?
@Skeptic Generation Hi Eric! I would be happy to call back in 2 weeks. I also plan to make a youtube video explaining my flat earth model this weekend. I think I can also do a rectangle Earth with a pyramid as Vi requested.
@@connorgarcia2213 You have simply figured out how to convert points on a sphere to points on a plane, it doesn’t demonstrate anything.
@@SkepticGeneration If you or anyone else has an interest, I lay out a possible Flat Earth model equivalent to the Roudn Earth here: czcams.com/video/42o4mNTq2y4/video.html.
Conner I can be very civil and rip your delusion apart
Now if you can actually show that flat earth is true by using navigation, gyros, radar, astronomy, physics, surveying, engineering and reality is wrong then show your thing
It's technically true what this guy is saying, about scientists taking the "easy route." We could, for instance, define the center of the solar system as a point 3 kilometers underneath the magnetic north of Venus. And we could then calculate all planetary motion around this point and get valid numbers that can be backed up with empirical observations. But that would be insanely complicated, unintuitive, and useless for any purpose. So scientists don't do that and instead use the gravitational center of the solar system as the center, making calculations much simpler and results easier to use.
It's like complaining why the Celsius temperature scale uses the freezing and boiling points of water as benchmarks.
Also, using the "easiest coordinate system" does not imply that it is the easiest process overall......
BS. The sun goes around Venus? WTF?
A...15 degree per hour drift. "Thanks Bob." ~ SciManDan
Thanks Bob.
While we are here did you know that Matt Powell has a 6 foot inflatable banana in his garden that he calls Dr Peel
RIP , Bob
No Conner Gravity doesn't exist in your model because gravity is linked to mass. And walking on a flat earth with gravity makes things really really weird on the sides.
What "sides" are you talking about? Are there sides to the universe?
@@covidcovertcommunism2391 the sides of the flat earth
No one says there's "sides" to a flat plane in which we experience this realm in.
@@covidcovertcommunism2391 every single thing in existence has "sides", jackass. whether it be one a flat surface or a round surface.
@@covidcovertcommunism2391 do you believe earth is flat ?
Because I'm curious how you explain somethings that can not be explained with a flat earth . Like different time zones . Or season changing .
No Conner, a flat earth isn't remotely just as valid as a round earth.
Sounds like a troll caller, not saying anything that makes sense. Why not talk to a real flat-earther, like someone that studies and teaches how it works. Intuition is powerful to discerning truth. The sun ain't big, it's clearly local, and watch how it shrinks as it moves away in perspective, when there's low humidity.
@@calidewfires4955 it is a troll caller but flat earth is a fraud and the science doesn't work with it what so ever.
I think most people, especially flat earthers, don't understand what being in orbit means. They aren't floating in zero gravity or hovering.
Simple terms, satellites are flown up to their height and with the right speed, they are DROPPED. They are all falling towards earth. As the earth is moving, the speed the satellites are moving allow them to drop at the rate the earth curves. Since the center of earth is the direction of gravity, the satellites are constantly falling. If the earth was flat they would hit the ground.
Yeah, it's the sideways velocity that keeps objects in orbit from hitting the ground.
Like in the movie Speed, if objects in orbit fall below a certain speed, they fall toward the earth and likely explode/burn up.
Stationary satellites are rotating together with Earth cause of centrifuge force. Which would not be possible with flat Earth.
The centre, thats just a theory supported by nothing.
@@Hellndegenerates a theory that predicts.....thats the point; i assume your doing the "you having seen the center of the earth, so clearly you cant possibly know" bullshit
Flat earthers don't understand literally anything.
Vi's facial language is the star of this clip. :)
except for that the trigonometry is different and would be completely different...
Connor saying "it's the same. It just is. It just is." isn't just unconvincing, it's lazy.
Considering the Mercator projection is largely remembered for getting the proportions wrong I'm not sure that's the best evidence to use in a flat earth argument
It' the perfect evidence... bad evidence for a bad theory.
Every projection is "wrong" in some way as each tries to solve the problem of representing the oblate speheroid Earth in two dimensions. There's always going to be distortions in shapes, sizes, proportions etc...
Considering the only directions on the flat earth model are north, and away from north I can't imagine navigating any great distances and back panning out very well.
I love it..he could prove this to scientists but they're too lazy to follow him
Lazy? Why would they bother talking to dickheads who persist with beliefs that run counter to all established observations?
The best is when flat earthers try to show the earth is flat and they prove that the earth is round.
Connor is quite confused about how everything works. Poor guy.
This is what happens when someone is the smartest in a group of idiots, gained most of their knowledge from cable tv like the history channel, and suffers from an extreme case of dunning Kruger. He truly thinks what he’s saying makes sense. He’s basically picked a few concepts that went over his head, used unrelated concepts to weave them into a narrative, and has deluded himself into thinking he’s done all these calculations and experiments when he clearly hasn’t and isn’t capable. I’d bet my life, the lives of all my friends and family, all the money I will ever make and have made, and a coke that he hasn’t. An ice cold glass bottle coke.
I feel personally attacked by this! I am the SMARTEST person I know! Excuse me I need to go cry.
Goes both ways. You didn't understand what he said, and you're passing humorous judgment. Dunning Kruger squared?
@@alanhusby9716 no.. sarcasm. But carry on.
Bingo!
The sun would never set If our planet was flat. It really is that simple.
Nothing sadder than flat earthers.
I am not sure he was a flat Earther as much as his theory was that the universe can be full of undetectable perfect teleportation seams and that would mean that it would be impossible to determine the shape of any object that would theoretically be crossing these seams as the shape could essentially be what ever. So it is more that the shape of things would be inherently impossible to establish. Which does feel very arbitrary and kind of un-falsifiable.
If you're going to allow a complete disconnect from direction of travel and the resulting travel path, then literally anything can be any shape and it's distorted to look the way it does.
@@jameskelly3745 I think OP was using theory in the colloquial sense.
yeah he made the teleporting stuff up so he could claim a flat earth, not the other way around...
The last 500 years of human history: "Am I a joke to you???!!!?
My favorite evidence of a spheroid earth is the fact that people in Australia, South Africa, and southern South America can all see the same stars (say the constellation Crux, or the Southern Cross) when they all look south -- some of them doing so at the exact same time (two of the places can be in nightime at the same time).
On a flat Earth, the people in those three places would all be looking in three very different directions when each looks toward the south. On a sphere, all three of those places are looking the same direction
They'd probably spin you some crap about the dome or the firmament
@@whispersmith Well, if the dome/firmament had (say, for example) a couple identical "Southern Cosses", on when you watch from Australia and one when you watch from Soth Africa, then somewhere in between on the Indian ocean there would be a point that you can see both identical constellations.
"i havent ran the equations"
I bet hes never ran a single equation about anything in his life.
We can use Occam's Razor here:
What is more likely: that scientists are "too lazy to test Connor's equations" or that Connor's "hypothesis" is ridiculous? You decide.....
There's few things here that need to be touched on:
1. Does his "model" make predictions? I.E. can it predict a meteor shower, eclipse, comet, seasonal change, etc.
2. Does his model explain why there are days and nights as well as why there are seasons?
3. He claims that "gravity waves don't travel and a straight line" and "Light doesn't travel in a straight line" (which in curved space-time we already know that, but it also is the reason that gravity causes planets to become spherical). However, if light, gravity, radio (which is a light wave), etc do NOT travel in a straight line, then how did the Earth become flat?? There would just be no straight lines.
4. If light bending is the reason astronauts see a spherical planet when in outer space does that mean that the moon is flat, but we're just seeing it from space and so seeing it curved? Is that the same for all the other spherical planets???
So much to ask, but he seems to be only using a grid system for a map, not an entire "model" of explanation.
Can/Does he explain why sailors (and aviators) making long voyages don't steer one constant course? see "Great Circle navigation"
We wouldnt need satellites if the earth were flat.
Yes, you can change coordinates to map locations. Now try to do the mathematics for planetary and stellar motion, then explain what forces could possibly account for the necessary complex gyrations. Good luck!
Try taking a time lapse photo with the camera pointed at the North Pole.
Vi has a terrible poker face. I love it.
If two airplanes leave the same airport at the same time; one heading directly East, one heading directly West, travelling in a straight direction, how is it possible that both airplanes will eventually meet, nose to nose, on a flerf?
Magic!
That is the only explaination for Flat Earth Physics.
@@Lupinemancer87 Ah, yes, Magic!
I think that sodomy is immoral.
The Pac Man model? Holy shit that's incredible.
The next step is NOT talking to scientists although that idea is going in the right direction. The next step is writing it up and publishing in a respected journal for peer review.
He's confusing mathematics for physics. His theory IS testable he just needs to come up with a physical explanation as to why the Earth is flat snd what causes light to move in curved lines then test it. Physics is not math, physics uses math to interpret observed physical phenomenon.
If the Earth is spheroid, its movement and that of everything in space is relatively easy to understand at a basic level, can be expressed mathematically, and the model can be used to derive reliably precise predictions.
If the Earth is a naan, there is an insanely fuckedup system of physics at play here that is nigh on impossible for two naanists to describe in the same way - or for one of them to describe in the same way twice. There are no real descriptions of how things operate and no reliable predictions that can be made - it’s almost purely rhetorical, a blurred mess of motivated reasoning, everyday ignorance and misunderstandings of science, producing a narrative that is barely internally consistent.
There is simply no cohesive model to flat bread earth. The very notion requires suspension and contradiction of most if not all physical laws, and the field of apologists that support it are more discordant and confused than defenders of Noah’s Flood. And who knows - if they keep calling shows like yours, maybe they’ll stop spamming astronomers & other scientists with actual stuff to do.
No motion on Earth...except when there's an earthquake. Sun is so easy to see it's not as big and far as said to us as 5 year olds... Corpuscular rays much?
@@angelicabenefact2146 Anyone who uses CREPUSCULAR rays (not corpuscular, LOL) to prove a flat earth has no understanding of perspective....or spelling!
@@DruncanUK No, I'm using them to prove the sun is small and local.
@@angelicabenefact2146
You failed.
I'm chewing on a onion garlic naan as I read this-coincidence or the earth really is a naan?
You guys should definitely have EJ on the show! Loved them on Talk Heathen.
A picture of me is flat therefore I'm flat.
Is Connor a living representation of a fallacious argument? XD … it sounds like hes arguing from authority by espousing the complexness of his new physics xD
He didn't espouse a new physics. Your invention. All he did was describe mathematical models.
@@alanhusby9716 he espoused a new physics where light does not travel in straight lines (without considering general relativity). And he espoused teleportation.
@@alanhusby9716 Models that do not comport to reality.
Why doesn't Connor use his huge intelect to source material for a rocket, build it then pop up to have look for himself
It's your belief you go.
If the earth was flat, cats would push everything off it. 🤣
When Conner manages to get hired on as an airline pilot or an astronaut I will be impressed. I will not be holding my breath on that one...bet on it.
Does Connor seem to be nuts or did I miss something he said that would make anything he said sane?
I think he’s just nuts!
He got himself conned into thinking this crap is real without checking it himself. So uneducated, willful ignorant and a LOT of dunning krueger
He says his model is a simple coordinate change and then says the laws of gravity have to change for it to work
"If i change the fundamental nature of the universe, then my flat earth model is valid"
I don't think Eric and Vi really understood what Connor was getting at. Granted, Connor didn't do a great job of explaining it.
As a hobby game developer, this is something we do quite often. When we need to represent a 3D object or world in 2D space, we apply coordinate transformation. This doesn't mean the object we are representing is a 2D object, it just means that we are programming, describing, and modeling it in 2D space.
I think Connor was more interested in getting attention by presenting his idea as controversial by stating it proves a flat earth, than in actually getting his idea across.
His idea is valid. It is a valid way of modeling and interpreting the earth. Let's say a 2D being (if you want more info on this, read Flatland) set out to chart the earth. They would likely use math similar to Connor's math to build a 2D model of the earth. It's no less valid than our 3D interpretation, but it is less intuitively reflective of reality.
Instead of going down a dimension, we could draw an analogue by going up a dimension to 4D. When quantum particles seem to appear from thin air in our 3D space, it's just because they're moving along a 4th dimensional trajectory, and intersecting with our 3D space along the same point as us on the 4th dimensional axis. In fact, many modern models of the world use 4 dimensions, or as many as 11 or 26 dimensions to explain the universe. So, while the 4D particle is behaving normally in 4D space, it may seem as though it's doing some 3D "pac-manning" to us.
In the 2D model, "pac-manning" isn't teleportation, it just appears that way because of how the numbers are represented in 2D space.
In short, this is a perfectly fine way to model the universe. The problem is when someone is being dishonest about the interpretation and using it to conclude "the earth is flat" when what's really happening is "the model we're using to model the earth is flat" but to us, 3D creatures, when we say "flat" we're talking about a different concept. When we say "flat earth" we mean an earth with no Z axis variety in 3D space.
So I think that's what the scientists meant by "valid but trivial." It doesn't add anything to our understanding. It obfuscates the math from an intuitive understanding of reality based on how we, 3D beings, experience it. Moreover, it doesn't mean the earth is flat in any sense that we typically use the words.
Every few months I wish I could come back to this video and forget everything about it....because several moments made me laugh out loud and was hilarious. The pac-man idea sent me on a dopamine trip - I wish I could re-live it!
Connor is either a strange type of hoaxster or is horribly confused.
I paid a guy to pee in my mouth. It didn't end well.
He is literally confusing a map for a place.
Yes Vi, there is a huge rabbit hole you can go down regarding flat earthers. Most of them actually believe it imo.
the nathans and that jackass in thailand probably don't. i think they're just using the platform for a paycheck by fleecing idiots and conspiracy nutters.
I liked the caller. He was polite and calm. Bravo to him.
Wow. The educational system has failed horribly.
No you can't go back and forth between coordinate systems, AND keep distances consistent.
and, once again, they use 'science' to back up their claim.
"Where’s E.J. when you need them!"
Well exactly. E.J was awesome and it would be great if they could guest on your show.
Why even give these fools 25 minutes of airtime?
Thanks for the laughs Connor, I hope you got the money from your mates.
Ok, you can mathematically map the whole universe from x,y,z coordinates into polar coordinates that originate in the center of earth, you can also translate all physics to fit these coordinates. And yes, light would not follow straight lines in such coordinates. However, this is only changing the imaginary lines you use to describe topologyy of space, not the universe itself. And, in polar coordinates, that flat surface he describes (equal distance to the center he selected) is actually a sphere.
Another approach to this could be that you are bending all physics through mapping to show the same properties of the universe, but with earth surface being flat. This would work, but would eeee....extremely over complicate any calculation within that system. It is a math/physics quirk that is doable, though. If I'm getting this correctly, then I think you would get a singularity at the center of the earth in such representation...
This is a great comment. You clearly understand what I was trying to do here.
There was a great VSauce video on maps and projections. Michael explained nicely how mathematically one cannot project a sphere perfectly onto a plane without distortions. That's why he'd need teleportation.
There might also have been a nice video from Numberphile.
By the way coordinate transformation is a real and normal thing but I think he misunderstood what coordinate transformation does. I don't see why he'd talk to someone on the phone about this, especially with non-scientists.
Sincerely, a physicist.
@@Globeisahoax lol
Thanks for another great show.
Connor had a very hard time presenting his concept, and I think you misunderstood him - I'm pretty sure that what he is talking about is just that you can transform between two coordinate systems - which is trivial and true, as he said.
Where he went off the deep end was saying that this means that the Earth can just as well be flat. But physics doesn't work in normal ways in such a coordinate system, as e.g., light travels on curved paths, as he also pointed out, and it is not an inertial system (new fictitious forces arise from the coordinate transformations). So this coordinate system is not very useful for physics on scales larger than, say, buildings...
P.S. I'm an astronomer, so I do have some idea of what I'm talking about here ;-)
It isn't just a discussion of mathematics. Where he really went off the rails was his "Pac-Man" nonsense.
I think he was further confused by the fact that we predict the universe to be topologically "flat" (neither positively nor negatively curved, parallel lines remain parallel even at the largest scales, etc).
@@annk.8750 The "Pac-Man" piece isn't nonsense. It's just, again, trivial. To us, quantum particles moving along the 4th dimension seem to "Pac-Man" in and out of 3D space. They may be moving along a fixed trajectory in 4D space, but we only see them when they "Pac-Man" into our position along the 4th dimensional axis.
It has nothing to do with actual teleportation, and everything to do with relative perception.
@@MasonTaylor22 applied to an "explanation of flat earth" it is indeed nonsense.
Somebody is pulling Eric & Vi’s legs … or, Connor is just a crank
Listening to the “theories” of these callers makes me very, very worried about Homo sapiens.
Sincere question.. What does V mean when she asks "Wait, hang on, are you a PO?" From the tone (and content) I think it means troll, or prankster? It's like the 3rd time I've heard this on this channel with various callers. I'm not seeing anything on urban dictionary or google.
Yeah but its spelt POE. You are correct on the rest as fair as i know, ie they're not real believers but jokers.
Yes, two topologically equivalent spaces have a transform that allows you to convert from one system to the other, but that doesn't mean that both spaces are equivalent.
Yes, sometimes you will change your coordinate system in order to make things easier to calculate, but that doesn't change anything. Cartesian coordinates and spherical coordinates both map 3D space...with the same distances. That is, the distance between two points is the same whether you do it in Cartesian coordinates or spherical coordinates. On a globe, the distance between Perth and Cape Town is one thing. On a flat earth where the North Pole is at the center of a circular disk, it is a different distance. Thus, it cannot be the case that this is just a transformation of coordinates.
The distance from Perth to Cape Town using a Cartesian system by following the surface of the earth is the same as the distance using a spherical coordinate system following an angle and radius.
So no, a flat earth is not equivalent to a spherical earth. That you need to invent teleportation and require things like light and gravity to warp without any reason why shows you have a lot more work to do in order to justify the claim.
Well - the two representations of Earth are NOT topologically equivalent - hence the need for teleportation (i.e., periodic boundary conditions). The surface of the Earth is finite but without boundaries, where a flerf would have boundaries - hence the 'Antarctic ice wall'!!!
Oh - and both the cartesian and spherical versions of the Earth's surface map a 2D space.
That 2D surface does live in 3D space, though, which is either curved or flat.
By the way space, the big one, like in Universe, is measured to be very very flat. It is probably a 3D surface corresponding to the surface of a 4D sphere, in which case that sphere must be very, very large..!..
Thanks Bob
It kinda sounds like Connor came up with a new coordinate system that works with his belief in a flat Earth without really any support for it. An ad hoc rationalization, basically. But he's saying they won't take it seriously because they're lazy?
So it's equivalent to the round earth model so long as EVERYTHING behaves differently than we currently understand.
It is clearly flat, like the top of my head.
I think my brain just imploded
You know Greeks in the 5 BC century knew the earth is round not flat. Does the internet just have a habit of spotlighting stupidity and ignorance? Or are we really slipping backwards so much?
Lol, you're going to Pac-Man flying out east from Australia! 😆🤣
Poor old Connor is lost in space.
Shouldn't the opening question for flat earthers be "how does your model account for the fact that we've taken pictures of the earth from the damn moon, and it was clearly round just like every other planet we've ever looked at?"
Easy they deny we can get to the moon
To be teleported one has to remember the body would have to be completely destroyed and rebuilt at a subatomic level.
Can we just send these folks to the ISP, if they're correct they can come back...
In a model where things that are flat appear round, what are things that appear flat?
The caller’s math education seems to be derived from watching Star Trek and never progressed past grade-school division.
Yeah.. even by basic 5th grade physics in a bad school they should have explained how the shape of the planet we live on was determined even before we could sail around it or get video from space.
Heck I recall asking my Kindergarten teacher when looking at a globe and understood the explanation. Granted it took further education to understand gravity.
Earth is a plane. Not a spinning ball in a vacuum, with an atmosphere spinning faster than the ball, and clouds above not being "tidal locked" like the Oceans are somehow.
I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
So my question would be are the tropics of cancer and Capricorn roughly equivalent in distance? They can’t be on a flat earth.
I'd donate to send this guy into orbit.
Move over, Katelyn Ohashi! That was some Olympic level mental gymnastics!! I need a Gatorade and an ice bath to recover.
The problem with a flat earth model is that a flat earth flies in the face of physics where especially gravity is concerned.
Why does no-one ever ask these kooks what would happen if you pointed a powerful telescope straight ahead? Could you see from New York to Los Angeles?
Why bother with flat Earthers, would you debate the Moon being made of cheese?
just remember those people can vote
@@eatthisvr6 He'd probably go to all the corners of the world to vote if he had to
People all around the earth believe it's flat. 🤦